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Then how do you exaplin the spurs getting two mvp big man in david and tim when they were need to LITERAL save the team from moving.
along with lebron james to clevland?
there is no better case for the nba rigged then the spurs draft "luck"
Tim Donaghy will become a hero.
securing the movie rights NOW!
Then how do you exaplin the spurs getting two mvp big man in david and tim when they were need to LITERAL save the team from moving.
along with lebron james to clevland?
there is no better case for the nba rigged then the spurs draft "luck"
It's all fair game now.
And I agree with the poster who talked about how the NBA became all about the player and not the team, unlike the other major team sports. It all goes back to that, no question.
Oh and I almost forgot: ing rigged ! I knew it!!!
well damnit sons its a shame that the NBA couldn't have used some Katrina sympathy to help get us a le this year. after all sons .... its all about the ratings.
there is NO DOUBT in my mind that the NBA fixes certain games.
It's so predictable that it's laughable. Doesn't mean that Lakers can overcome the superior team that is the Celts.
LOL, WTF are you smoking??
exactly son. you bring up another good point. the NBA will do everything in their power to extend ALL series to at least 6 games. preferably 7 ... more $$$$$$$$$$$
BR, you wouldn't happen to be a former Houston Astros board member by the name of Colt would you? He too frequently used the term son to address other board members as you often do, that's why I wondered.
LMAO son no I am not colt ... but I do remember that stupid son of a !
I'd take back what i had said if they fined me that much. Unless I was a player making millions.
LOL. Small world....he was a funny guy at times. Nevertheless, just thought I'd check. Back to the subject at hand...
Right like the Spurs were the only ones with international talent. Why not Dirk- Germany, Nash- Canada?
you can tell JVG was scrambling to piece together his league-prompted thoughts. You know hes still totally pissed and only said what he had to.
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Are you ing kidding me?!? The Mavs got raped in 06...
But the Mavs didn't get screwed in 06 right?
Not like JVG was gonna flip his stack on natl tv, during his job to say 'I in told ya'll!"
They also gave the Mavs many, many ticky-tack fouls in'06 to help dethrone the Spurs. I believe Barkeley spoke on it after the series ended.
Indeed.
I thought the exact same thing. The whole thing was bizarre. First making us watch that nauseating piece of how great Kobe is. Then putting the ref scandal piece at the end of halftime. Stuart Scott speaking in that monotone voice. Van Gundy very careful in what he said. He stated he did not want to say anything to support Donneghy. Very sanitized piece. Then the finale cutting to Stern who in his condescending way told us what a liar Donnegh is.
Nowhere was there any intelligent discussion of the games in question, etc.
Just amazing at the sugar coating that went on.
Losing 100,000 will make you think twice. Stern is ready to steal money for truth being touched upon. Question is, are you willing to stake your families survival on it? Some value family more than basketball. I don't blame him. Stern is absurd.Jeff Van Gundy
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I thought his comment that he didn't want to basicly endorse what tim said to be a very good point. Tim knows what past events people felt were controversial. That allows him to claim they were rigged. I wouldn't doubt the nba officals were friedly to teams either. That doesn't mean they changed the outcome of games on purpose for that team. However, the I didn't say a nba ref I said an nba offical and other comments were clearly self censorship.
The one thing that has to be considered is that if the league is fixed, then the Spurs les were likely fixed as well. It's difficult to escape that conclusion - are you really going to tell me that the league only fixes things part of the time? The conspiracy theories have always broken down with the Spurs. They could have been the golden boys/return to the team concept with the right marketing, and instead, they seem more likely to have been conspired against. Certainly, after the ratings and interest disaster of 2003, the NBA would much rather have had the Suns win the Conf. Finals. But the Spurs won in 5 (could have been a sweep, were it not for their typical lackadaisacal game).
Do I think that the NBA has had atrocious officiating? yes.
Do I think that officials could sway games? Mmmmm, yes. I think there are enough examples of games that have been decided by officials (one springs easily to mind) to say that can happen. Likewise, a team can roll on through and play so well that officials don't bother them (or the reverse - the favored team plays so poorly, the officials aren't really given the opportunity to subtly call against the opposing team). I don't see how anyone could argue that 2007 was fixed (apart from the interminable and stupid argument over the suspensions). LeBron beating the evil, dirty Spurs would have been better for national marketing.
Do I think there have been directives from Stern to the head of officials to call games a certain way? Not really. There are too many games/series that don't play into that scenario.
Yes, there are questionable games, and learning they were 'fixed' doesn't surprise me. Learning that it was league sanctioned would shock me a lot though.
sons look at it like this. you are an NBA referee making $200,000 per year. damn good money. then some big shot out in Vegas offers you $500,000-$1,000,000 to make a few bad calls for ONE game in the finals. hmmmm
trust me sons. that happens.
I'm inclined to believe that.
I don't like David Stern, and I think he makes a lot of mistakes, including not more publicly reviewing the officials or allowing for reversal of calls or instant replay in certain situations. I think he makes everything worse by hiding it all under a black cloak of mystery.
But the evidence doesn't support a league wide fix, not without reaching. But -- How is it that calls change depending who it is and where the clock is and which court it's on? There is too much room for the officials to mess with things and seemingly too little oversight of officials and crack-downs on people blatantly calling bad games.
There should be more public info - like, egregious bad calls results in a fine for the official. Something more than a belated public apology or refusal to admit anything beyond human error, when there is clearly something more than human error at work.
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