Rate the Spurs Draft Night

[dknights411]

I'd give them a B, B- for the night. It could have been better, but it could have been a LOT worse (thanks again, Steve! :lol)

[T Park]

Way way way too early to rate the draft.

[remingtonbo2001]

A-

I have a feeling Hill was overlooked.

I like the trade for Hairston. It will be interesting to see what production he's capable of in Austin.

[mathbzh]

incomplete. I don't know anything about Hill. Wait and see

[Mr. Body]

I'd say pretty disappointing.

[Spurtacus]

B-

They really should have used both second round picks to trade up and grab CDR.

[bus driver]

F
only time will tell if it is better........not sure what i was hoping for but wasnt excited when i heard these picks. but then again they (spurs) know what they are doing.
ok maybe it wasnt F bad.....

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[Obstructed_View]

A from the Spurs for being aware of their situation, which is to find guys capable of making a contribution on a pro basketball team. The scouting report on all three guys is that they can do a lot of things well. That means they can come in right away and compete for spots. The Spurs didn't reach for a huge upside guy or a glamour name that might not be able to play in the league, because they are an aging team with holes developing in the roster. I'm very pleased with this draft. The odds are pretty good that at least two of these guys are going to stick. That would make this about as good a draft as I can remember the Spurs having.

[mexicanjunior]

As of right now...F

[Obstructed_View]

As of right now...F

Then you need to call it incomplete. The Spurs don't have the benefit of hindsight when they're making picks.

[mexicanjunior]

Then you need to call it incomplete. The Spurs don't have the benefit of hindsight when they're making picks.

Why even make F an option then? With your logic, I guess every team's draft is an A until proven otherwise, regardless of who they draft. If we picked someone from some wheelchair b-ball league, this board would still be saying, "Come on guys, let's give him a chance to play. He may not be so bad...Pop liked him".

[Obstructed_View]

Why even make F an option then? With your logic, I guess every team's draft is an A until proven otherwise, regardless of who they draft. If we picked someone from some wheelchair b-ball league, this board would still be saying, "Come on guys, let's give him a chance to play. He may not be so bad...Pop liked him".

F is an option for someone with the fucking balls to say that these guys can't play in the NBA, not for pussies who say "F right now but I reserve the right to change my mind AFTER seeing if they can play." If all you care about is whether or not they pan out before you give them a grade, then give them an incomplete. Slamming on them now just because you don't know anything is weak.

I rated the Spurs on the picks they made in the draft and their rationale for going that direction, not on how good the players are going to be in two or three years, otherwise there'd be no reason to put up a poll now. If none of them end up on the roster, I can still make a case of whey they made three good selections.

[Bruno]

I just don't see how I can judge the draft while I haven't something else than highlights of the three players taken by Spurs.
Unless I use a De Lorean, there is no way I can give a somewhat accurate evaluation of the draft.

[Obstructed_View]

I just don't see how I can judge the draft while I haven't something else than highlights of the three players taken by Spurs.
Unless I use a De Lorean, there is no way I can give a somewhat accurate evaluation of the draft.

Agreed, but we understand what the needs were, and it seems obvious that the Spurs were going for guys that could make the team, even if it's at the end of the bench as guys that can defend and do multiple things at their position, filling in for injured players, keeping starter minutes low, and maybe contributing good numbers here and there enough to make a playoff rotation or two.

I couldn't grade last year's draft very high because the Spurs ended up reaching for an undersized guy that couldn't defend or shoot and getting two other guys that weren't going to be on the team for a couple of years, one of whom was going to be restricted by the rookie salary scale because he was picked in the first round. If the Spurs had ended up with guys who didn't fit needs or with trading the picks away or stashing foreign players I'd have graded them badly.

I should probably give them a B because they didn't trade down the Hill pick and end up taking him later with an extra second round pick. That's really the only way the draft could have gone any better, in my opinion.

[timvp]

I'll let you know after summer league. Summer league is really where you can start seeing if a player is good or a bust. It's rare that a player sucks in summer league and then turns it around and becomes a good player in the NBA.

With the quality of summer league rising in recent years, it's actually a much more telling environment than D1 college, D-League or even the medium to lower Euro leagues.

[Bruno]

^^ Yes, You can judge a part of the draft. I also think Spurs had the right state of mind for this draft. However, what will make this draft a good or bad one for Spurs is the level of the players drafted and I can't judge that for the moment.

You can also judge the trade they do with Suns. While it is a small trade, it's a very good one. #45 for #48 + Warriors 2009 second round pick + cash is quite a steal.

[timvp]

You can also judge the trade they do with Suns. While it is a small trade, it's a very good one. #45 for #48 + Warriors 2009 second round pick + cash is quite a steal.Yeah that might be the biggest steal I've ever seen for dropping only three picks in the middle of the second round. It's a small trade, like you said, but I was really impressed with that one. Kerr was desperate and the Spurs milked him.

Even if Hairston is absolute trash, the Spurs still have a second rounder and cash to show for it.

[mexicanjunior]

F is an option for someone with the fucking balls to say that these guys can't play in the NBA, not for pussies who say "F right now but I reserve the right to change my mind AFTER seeing if they can play." If all you care about is whether or not they pan out before you give them a grade, then give them an incomplete. Slamming on them now just because you don't know anything is weak.


I never said I'd like to wait a few years to see if they pan out, can you provide that link please? I don't think Hill will help this team...so F.

[Bruno]

Even if Hairston is absolute trash, the Spurs still have a second rounder and cash to show for it.

Yes, even without Hairston, it's still a good trade.

Spurs are able to do these very good little trade on a consistent basis. The Markota and the Printezis trades were also very good ones.

[Harry Callahan]

Yes, even without Hairston, it's still a good trade.

Spurs are able to do these very good little trade on a consistent basis. The Markota and the Printezis trades were also very good ones.

Hopefully, the ammo they have with at least 3 #2s will allow SA to get a high 2nd or low 1st rounder next year. They will need to continue to get younger off the bench.

Hill looks like a natural scorer. Shooting well over 50% with some range and the ability to penetrate.

I'd like to see him in the summer league.

Please note that the staff in SA is very up to speed on Kansas. They passed on several of those guys - they must have had a stong feeling about Hill. Hope they're right.

[wildbill2u]

I'd give them a B, B- for the night. It could have been better, but it could have been a LOT worse (thanks again, Steve! :lol)

After the draft the immediate inclination for fas is to look through the rose colored glassed and start penciling in these guys into the rotation and reservations for all-star games.

I'm going with my gut feeling that Pop is serious when he says 2 out of 3 of these guys will make the team. If so, it'll be an A draft. Few teams ever get 2 players on their roster when drafting so low.

Or--omigawd--is this an admission by Pop that our current team isn't up to par and that's why these guys may make the roster?

[Obstructed_View]

I never said I'd like to wait a few years to see if they pan out, can you provide that link please? I don't think Hill will help this team...so F.

Fair enough, but they went after positions of need, ended up with three players that have a chance to compete right now and ended up making a good trade for an extra pick. That's a pretty good draft in my book.

[Obstructed_View]

After the draft the immediate inclination for fas is to look through the rose colored glassed and start penciling in these guys into the rotation and reservations for all-star games.

I'm going with my gut feeling that Pop is serious when he says 2 out of 3 of these guys will make the team. If so, it'll be an A draft. Few teams ever get 2 players on their roster when drafting so low.

Or--omigawd--is this an admission by Pop that our current team isn't up to par and that's why these guys may make the roster?

The Spurs need youth, and with Bruce's age, they aren't likely to find one guy to replace him. If you can get two or even three young guys who can score a little, rebound a little, pass a little, and defend like demons it makes the transition to a post-Bowen defensive philosophy that much easier and allows them to eliminate the offensive liability.

[ChumpDumper]

Judging the Hill pick at this point is a little like judging the Mahinmi the day after that pick. I'm not going to pretend I know enough about the guy to stamp a grade on him now. I appreciate all the folks here who watched every Summit League game last few years. Who knew?

I think the Hairston deal was done just to get another pick next season, but we'll get a good look at him all the same.

I really like the Gist pick. He already has some perimeter skills that could be further developed in Austin. He's the type of forward we have been looking for all these years. Whether he can actually play the way we want him to is a huge question -- one that won't be answered for one season at least -- but this is why the Spurs have the Toros.

[mexicanjunior]

Fair enough, but they went after positions of need, ended up with three players that have a chance to compete right now and ended up making a good trade for an extra pick. That's a pretty good draft in my book.

I just think there were better players to fill the "need" position and the Spurs passed on some of them for what most people considered a reach. I'm sorry but when I see something like this with our first pick...

http://www.randomdestination.com/members/mj/draft.JPG

That tells me no one even thought this guy was going to be drafted, much less not available with either of our 2nd rounders. For all we know, we could have had both Hill AND Chalmers, that would have been a nice competition for Parker's backup job...dont you think?

[ChumpDumper]

I never heard of the guy, so he must suck.

[rascal]

I gave them a D. I felt there were a couple players with higher upside in the first round that they passed up.

[Obstructed_View]

I just think there were better players to fill the "need" position and the Spurs passed on some of them for what most people considered a reach. I'm sorry but when I see something like this with our first pick...

http://www.randomdestination.com/members/mj/draft.JPG

That tells me no one even thought this guy was going to be drafted, much less not available with either of our 2nd rounders. For all we know, we could have had both Hill AND Chalmers, that would have been a nice competition for Parker's backup job...dont you think?
It's a valid point, but what that link should tell you is that Marty Burns couldn't find Hill in the draft guide, or that CNNSI didn't have his picture on file, so he gives it a zero grade. One could make an argument that you could be encouraged by the fact that Marty wasn't in favor of it. Sports Illustrated certainly wasn't having anyone over for workouts.

The Spurs seemed to think someone was going to swoop in and take him, meaning there was some scuttlebutt about him among the teams, possibly based upon his performances at workouts and camps. There have been plenty of reports that there were other teams interested in him, and the Spurs might have gotten him earlier than they wanted to, but that doesn't really matter, particularly since they got another second rounder back. Again, it counts against them that they couldn't trade down to get something extra, but they did get the guy they wanted and simply failed to generate anything extra out of it. When you come out the other side with who you wanted all along that's far from a wasted pick.

[Mr. Body]

It's more likely the Spurs were misreading league interest for Hill at that spot. Regardless, they could easily have gotten Hill a bit later if they only selected Arthur and dealt him off.

[Obstructed_View]

It's more likely the Spurs were misreading league interest for Hill at that spot. Regardless, they could easily have gotten Hill a bit later if they only selected Arthur and dealt him off.

There seems to be a lot of evidence that they jumped too soon to get him, but there was some interest, certainly more than zero, which SI seemed to imply. There were reports of his stock rising and rumors of at least one other team aside from the Spurs looking at him in the first round. Whether or not that's the case, we'll never know, but the Spurs didn't end up losing the guy because they were trying too hard to keep from stretching, and in a year where they need young players to come in and contribute, that's the most important thing. They'd tried and failed to trade down earlier, and we'd be roasting them if they'd traded down and lost both guys at the top of their board.

If the Spurs were sure this was who they wanted, and if he's going to make the team better, I don't see how it matters too much where he was picked. Proclaiming a pick a success or failure based upon media projections is a little odd, considering that the Spurs worked the guy out.

If he sucks, on the other hand...

[homer]

A- IMO, Hill, as a backup PG, is, without playing a single second in the NBA, already better than Damon or Jacque. It all depends on how he meshes with the rest of the team. Pop seems to think that all their picks will mesh well,so I defer to the professionals.
How many here thought TP or Manu would be good for the Spurs at first? FO sees something that we don't, and I, for one, trust their judgement in these matters.:hat

[tlongII]

I would give them a P....for PRITCH-SLAPPED!

[rascal]

A- IMO, Hill, as a backup PG, is, without playing a single second in the NBA, already better than Damon or Jacque. It all depends on how he meshes with the rest of the team. Pop seems to think that all their picks will mesh well,so I defer to the professionals.
How many here thought TP or Manu would be good for the Spurs at first? FO sees something that we don't, and I, for one, trust their judgement in these matters.:hat


I don't trust their judgement at all. They have made enough bad decisions regarding players in the last few years to at least question their decisions.

[T Park]

:lmao

Rascal and Mr Body don't like it.

SHOCKER!!

Fucknuts.

[rascal]

Its not that I don't like it but they may have passed on players with higher upside potential. They should have worked out a deal for a lower 2nd round pick and target Hill there.


Hill could be a good backup pg. Is that all you want from the draft? I'd rather see them take the chance with a more riskier player with higher upside potential.

[ChumpDumper]

Is that all you want from the draft?At 26 it's difficult to expect more. Gist is the upside player. Hairston is a throw-in

[T Park]

Gist is the upside long 3 tweener 4.

Hell if the stars align, that fucker could be defending David West and others next year.

Gist has alot alot of great potential.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't expect anything from Gist next season except replacing Ian's dunks for the Toros, but it will be interesting to see how he is developed -- if he makes the team.

[T Park]

Personally, to me, hes a potential missing fixer piece.
That tweener forward whos defensive minded and moves great.

Can't help but get excited over him.

[ChumpDumper]

Don't get me wrong, Gist was one of the guys I wanted with that last pick. I just think he has a lot of work ahead of him.

[AFBlue]

Gave the Spurs a C....

Middle of the road picks with limited upside and serious questions.

Can Hill develop into a reliable PG?

If so, he's a career backup. If not, he's an undersized shooter that has to be lights out to stick in this league (re: Eddie House).

Is Malik Hairston going to put his skill/size to use?

If so, he's a bench player in the Bonzi Wells mold. If not, he's a fringe NBA player on 10-day contracts for a few years and then European/D-League fodder.

Is James Gist a basketball player?

If so, he'll still be an undersized PF but has the athleticism to make it in the league. If not, he'll be in Europe.

Bottom Line: I know no perfect players exist where the Spurs drafted, but all players drafted have big questions to answer and have limited upside even if they answer those questions with a "yes".

Bleh....

[misterx91578]

Incomplete because they haven't played a second in the nba so its a wait and see thing