I guess Barry's a free agent

[Marcus Bryant]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/sports/5864870.html

June 30, 2008, 9:41PM
Rockets to pursue Spurs guard Barry in free agency
Landry's return to team in doubt

By JONATHAN FEIGEN
Copyright 2008 Houston Chronicle

The Rockets will begin the free agent recruiting period with an 11 p.m. call to Spurs guard Brent Barry, but the team could have already hit a snag in its hopes to bring back forward Carl Landry.

The Rockets will call Barry as quickly as NBA rules allow in an effort to land the free agent that got away during the season when Barry was released by the Seattle SuperSonics but chose to return to the San Antonio Spurs.

Barry, 36, struggled to come back from a calf injury after he was dealt at the trade deadline but made 49.1 percent of his shots and 46.3 percent of his 3s in the postseason. He averaged 7.1 points in 17.9 minutes, making 48.1 percent of his shots, in the regular season, his 12th in the NBA.

If he signs with the Rockets, he would follow his father, Hall of Famer Rick Barry, and brother, Jon Barry, who both finished their careers with the Rockets.

Signing Landry, the Rockets other primary free agent target might be more complicated than another chase of Barry, or even last summer’s sticky and eventually contentious negotiations when Landry was an unsigned second-round pick.

The Rockets have asked Landry to undergo more in-depth testing of his right knee, which was injured during the season, before they extend an offer. Landry, 24, missed seven games with what was termed a sore right knee. He averaged 8.1 points and 4.9 rebounds in 42 games, making 61.6 percent of his shots.

The Rockets signed Landry just before the start of training camp after a long, often tense negotiation over the amount of money that would be guaranteed in his rookie contract. The Rockets had planned to sign him to a three-year deal using a portion of their mid-level exception, but instead spent they remainder of their exception money to sign Steve Francis.

Landry is a restricted free agent, giving the Rockets the option to match any offer he receives, as long as the contract would work with the salary cap rules. That would limit them to their mid-level exception money, though they clearly hope to split that roughly $5.6 million between Barry and Landry.

“We’re only making an offer if he gets a more detailed examination than imaging,” Rockets general manager Daryl Morey said.

Morey did not say that there were specific concerns, only that the team wanted as much information as possible before making an offer.

Landry’s agent, Buddy Baker, did not return messages on Monday.

The Rockets did avoid free agency with their 2006 second-round pick, Steve Novak. They exercised their option to extend Novak’s contract for a third season, worth $797,581. Novak averaged 2.7 points in 79 games in his first two seasons.

“Steve is a valuable asset to the Rockets,” Morey said.

[tp2021]

Fuck!:pctoss:bang

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Can't be true. Please.

[VaSpursFan]

this blows

[thekingrobert]

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Marcus Bryant]

Naturally the Express-News reported this first.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I don't think we can say he's opted out just yet. I mean don't you think there would've been a more reliable source to notify that he's opted out?

When a Spurs player opts out of his contract, I'd expect there to be an announcement on RealGM or ESPN or MySA, but from the Houston Chronicle? I'm not buying this yet. And I'd expect there to be some quotes from Barry himself. From the way the article says it, it can very well still be just speculation.

[sprrs]

If true I wonder what Barry's reasons for opting out were. Money? After his performance this past playoffs, he should have locked in more minutes with the Spurs. On the flip side, other teams may have offer him more money for that reason.

And what makes the Rockets think they can get him after he turned them down mid-season?

[TDMVPDPOY]

wtf is up wiht these fagot rockets always trying to pry away our fukn players and draft picks.....fuck that shit, and the fukn kent who was from houston who join our Fo, WHO HASNT DONE SHIT LATELY SINCE HE JOIN US

[tp2021]

If true I wonder what Barry's reasons for opting out were. Money? After his performance this past playoffs, he should have locked in more minutes with the Spurs. On the flip side, other teams may have offer him more money for that reason.

And what makes the Rockets think they can get him after he turned them down mid-season? Money?

[timvp]

ESPN also lists Barry as a free agent ... and not Vaughn. It's quite possible that Barry has opted out at some point in the last week and the Express-News just had no clue.

[bigdog]

well, leave it to a non-San Antonio source to break this news to us. I'm guessing he's opted out, which doesn't surprise me since he'd probably want more money than we signed him for after the trade. I think he will seriously consider going to Houston, and possibly even sign there. If true, could this possibly save us a bit of money to spend on other guys?

[tp2021]

ESPN also lists Barry as a free agent ... and not Vaughn. It's quite possible that Barry has opted out at some point in the last week and the Express-News just had no clue.


well, leave it to a non-San Antonio source to break this news to us.


Naturally the Express-News reported this first.

Damn you, Express-News...DAMN YOU!

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

ESPN also lists Barry as a free agent ... and not Vaughn.

Link?

[timvp]

The bad thing is Barry could be tough to re-sign. Sure he's a great piece but he likely won't be priority number one for the Spurs this summer. If someone wines and dines him while the Spurs are out looking for their swingman starter, Barry may decide to end his career elsewhere.

And with as weak as this FA crop is, Barry is actually a very good option for a team not looking to spend their whole MLE but who wants to bring in a wily veteran that can help win ballgames for the next year or two.

[Marcus Bryant]

well, leave it to a non-San Antonio source to break this news to us. I'm guessing he's opted out, which doesn't surprise me since he'd probably want more money than we signed him for after the trade. I think he will seriously consider going to Houston, and possibly even sign there. If true, could this possibly save us a bit of money to spend on other guys?

Well, not from a cap perspective, but from a payroll perspective it would. More importantly, it would open up a roster spot.

[timvp]

Link?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=FreeAgents-080629

Might just be Ford guessing but who knows.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=FreeAgents-080629

Might just be Ford guessing but who knows.

I wouldn't exactly believe it just yet. He doesn't even have Baron Davis listed anywhere.

[WildcardManu]

noooooooooooo

[tp2021]

Come on, Mango Tree! What happened to being an SA legend?

[bigdog]

The bad thing is Barry could be tough to re-sign. Sure he's a great piece but he likely won't be priority number one for the Spurs this summer. If someone wines and dines him while the Spurs are out looking for their swingman starter, Barry may decide to end his career elsewhere.

And with as weak as this FA crop is, Barry is actually a very good option for a team not looking to spend their whole MLE but who wants to bring in a wily veteran that can help win ballgames for the next year or two.


True. I think in past years he would have been made a priority, but with age/health concerns, the Spurs should be looking for their wing player, and by then some other team could offer Barry a bit more than the Spurs could have.

[Marcus Bryant]

One would think there would be something about this on local SA TV in a few minutes...

[midgetonadonkey]

Oh well. He would probably miss another 4 months due to injury anyway.

[vy65]

you'll notice that page lists the *best* FA available -- the complete ESPN list of free agents includes both Barry and Vaughn - with each having a player option

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=2008FreeAgents

[Marcus Bryant]

you'll notice that page lists the *best* FA available -- the complete ESPN list of free agents includes both Barry and Vaughn - with each having a player option

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=2008FreeAgents

Maybe he's a FA, maybe he opted not to be a FA and the beat writer is just guessing...

[bigdog]

One would think there would be something about this on local SA TV in a few minutes...


we'll see if any of the sports idiots on local news have any idea of what happens with the spurs. it seems like they all grab their information from us at ST. Lol

[Marcus Bryant]

Of course, the Spurs could always give him the LLE for two seasons.

[vy65]

Doesn't the EN usually post their stories for the following day at Midnight CST? If so, I would hope/imagine that they'd have some information on Barry and Vaughn then.

Like its been already said -- the EN (though slow) is still more credible than HouChron, especially when no major media outlet has reported anything yet.

[usckk]

I just can't see Barry leaving, unless he's heard something from the Spurs that they are definitely going for a starting SG/SF and he won't get much playing time.

Barry came back to the Spurs last year after the Spurs traded him. He could of easily been pissed and signed with the Suns.

[bigdog]

you'll notice that page lists the *best* FA available -- the complete ESPN list of free agents includes both Barry and Vaughn - with each having a player option

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=2008FreeAgents

note: that was last updated at 6:14 pm san antonio time, so they could have gotten the news but just haven't updated yet

[peskypesky]

If true I wonder what Barry's reasons for opting out were. Money?

Maybe he's as disgusted with Pop's coaching as I am. Pop blew any chance we had of beating the Fakers by keeping an injured Manu on the courr and a hot-hand Barry on the bench.

I mean, here was Barry's chance, the greatest chance in his career, to shine and be a hero. To help a team repeat, to pick up the slack when one of the stars was failing, and what did Pop do? You all saw.

If Barry is leaving, I think he's fully in the right.

[Radiosparks]

I wouldn't exactly believe it just yet. He doesn't even have Baron Davis listed anywhere.

ESPN just reported both Baron Davis and Elton Brand have opted out of their contracts.

[coopdogg3]

I would be surprised if Barry didn't opt out. He could make a lot more money. I hope he returns to SA, I give him props for signing with the Spurs after the trade to Seattle. Plus I give him credit for making Steve Kerr sound like an idiot when he complained by Seattle waiving him. That's always fun.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Well this is fucking great. The news holds off talking about the Spurs to talk about Kobe's response to Shaq's rap. :bang

[Twisted_Dawg]

Prepare yourselves for the Matt Bonner Experience.

[SPURSGOAT]

SHIT!!! I could care less about Vaughn.. but not Barry.... SHIT!!! :bang:bang

[Whisky Dog]

Barry became a Spurs legend by waiting to resign with the team after they traded him away, then being money in the limited playoff minutes he got. If he leaves for another team then I wish him good luck and :toast

[montgod]

I am sure Pop has talked to him about his option in returning and letting him know that there is still a roster spot for him.

Remember, the reason he re-signed with the Spurs in the first place is because his family, home, etc. is all in SA. Why would he take another year spot to be away from with a new team etc. when he is like a year away from retiring.

I don't think we have anything to worry about honestly.

[montgod]

ESPN just reported both Baron Davis and Elton Brand have opted out of their contracts.

Pretty surprising regarding Baron Davis.

I wonder where he is thinking of going? I can't see any other team spending that type of money to sign him.

It also helps GS have enough money to resign M. Ellis but they still may want to retain his services as well.

[coopdogg3]

Barry became a Spurs legend by waiting to resign with the team after they traded him away, then being money in the limited playoff minutes he got. If he leaves for another team then I wish him good luck and :toast


Agreed :toast

[AC#21_TD ERA]

Such Is Life!

[peskypesky]

Pretty surprising regarding Baron Davis.

I wonder where he is thinking of going? I can't see any other team spending that type of money to sign him.


He'll come to NYC and join the Knicks.

[all_heart]

I'd love to see Barry stay with the Spurs too, but I think the Spurs really do have other priorities right now.. we can't keep him around for sentimental reasons.. We need to get a nice swingman and go after a few more titles before Timmy starts ridings off into that sunset. As good as Manu and Tim are.... the clock is winding down.

[Indazone]

Now Barry unlike Horry we will take ;)

[SpursFanInAustin]

I know a majority of this board doesn't want Finley back, but still...If Barry opts out....does re-signing Finley become a priority to keep at least one "three-point" specialist.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

Shit. I had high hopes for him this season with the Spurs.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

I'd love to see Barry stay with the Spurs too, but I think the Spurs really do have other priorities right now.. we can't keep him around for sentimental reasons.. We need to get a nice swingman and go after a few more titles before Timmy starts ridings off into that sunset. As good as Manu and Tim are.... the clock is winding down.

We wouldn't be resigning him for sentimental reasons... the guy was a legitimate scorer and facilitator of our offense in the latter part of the post season and we definitely could use more of that next year.

[whottt]

Ah well, at least he came back after the trade...and played really really well.


IIRC, though the Rockets were the team that made the hardest push for him, the Celtics were the team he really wanted to sign with...I bet that smarts lol.


This might be about money, but I bet it's more about PT...if he goes to the Rockets he's virtually guaranteed of getting a lot of TMac injury minutes. And Adelman plays an uptempo style of ball so he probably thinks that might be a good way to go out....he'll definitely pull some minutes out of Adelman.


I'd really rather he didn't go to the Rockets, seeing as how that is douchebag team in a douchebag town...it hurts me to see Brent going douchebag on us. But what the hell...he came back after being traded and turned down a ring to go down with the Spurs...you really couldn't ask for more than that.

I mean...it's not like his jersey was going to be retired here or anything.

[Marcus Bryant]

The Rockets must have a Spurs fetish. Of all the players in free agency to target right off the bat...

[all_heart]

We wouldn't be resigning him for sentimental reasons... the guy was a legitimate scorer and facilitator of our offense in the latter part of the post season and we definitely could use more of that next year.

Yes, I'd agree with that for sure... but if Manu is healthy next spring/summer, how many minutes will he get? He's still up there in age.. not that the Spurs are dumping all their older guys, but we still need a quality SG that will be around at least 3 years. If we get that guy where does Barry fit in? How would he feel signing for less $, playing less minutes in perhaps his final year or two of his career? If he signs for minimum $ for the sake of getting another ring then we would all be impressed.. then it may get sentimental from there :lol

[Solid D]

I hate to see Brent depart. He gave the Spurs his best, on and off the court...with a couple of rings to show for it.

Spurs may be signing a decent player in the weeks to come, while getting younger in the process.

The Brent Barry loss is clearly another Daryl Morey chess move and a trap he set for the Spurs weeks ago, considerng each counter move before they happen. :smokin

[Marcus Bryant]

I hate to see Brent depart. He gave the Spurs his best, on and off the court...with a couple of rings to show for it.

Spurs may be signing a decent player in the weeks to come, while getting younger in the process.

The Brent Barry loss is clearly another Daryl Morey chess move and a trap he set for the Spurs weeks ago, considerng each counter move before they happen. :smokin

Stat Geek checkmated DraftExpress, I guess.

[montgod]

I am sure Pop has talked to him about his option in returning and letting him know that there is still a roster spot for him.

Remember, the reason he re-signed with the Spurs in the first place is because his family, home, etc. is all in SA. Why would he take another year spot to be away from with a new team etc. when he is like a year away from retiring.

I don't think we have anything to worry about honestly.

Just reiterating...

[Indazone]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/5863210.html

The Rockets began free agent recruiting period with an 11 p.m. call to Spurs guard Brent Barry, but the team could have already hit a snag in its hopes to bring back forward Carl Landry.

The Rockets will call Barry as quickly as NBA rules allow in an effort to land the free agent that got away during the season when Barry was released by the Seattle SuperSonics but chose to return to the San Antonio Spurs.

Barry, 36, struggled to come back from a calf injury after he was dealt at the trade deadline, but made 49.1 percent of his shots and 46.3 percent of his 3s in the post-season. He averaged 7.1 points in 17.9 minutes, making 48.1 percent of his shots, in the regular season, in his 12th NBA season.

If he signs with the Rockets, he would follow his father, Hall of Famer Rick Barry, and brother, Jon Barry, who both finished their careers with the Rockets.

Signing Landry, the Rockets other primary free agent target might be more complicated than another chase of Barry, or even last summer’s sticky and eventually contentious negotiations when Landry was an unsigned second-round pick.

The Rockets have asked for Landry to undergo more in-depth testing of his right knee, which was injured during the season, before they would extend an offer. Landry, 24, missed seven games with what was termed a sore right knee. He averaged 8.1 points and 4.9 rebounds in 42 games, making 61.6 percent of his shots.

The Rockets signed Landry just before the start of training camp after a long, often tense negotiation over the amount of money that would be guaranteed in his rookie contract. The Rockets had planned to sign him to a three-year deal using a portion of their mid-level exception, but instead spent they remainder of their exception money to sign Steve Francis.

Landry is a restricted free agent, giving the Rockets the option to match any offer he receives, as long as the contract would work with the salary cap rules. That would limit them to their mid-level exception money. They hope to use the lower level exception, worth roughly $1.9 million, for Barry.

“We’re only making an offer if he gets a more detailed examination than imaging,” Rockets general manager Daryl Morey said.

Morey did not say that there were specific concerns, only that the team wanted as much information as possible before making an offer.

Landry’s agent, Buddy Baker, did not return messages on Monday.

The Rockets did avoid free agency with their 2006 first-round pick, Steve Novak. They exercised their option to extend Novak’s contract for a third season, worth $797,581. Novak averaged 2.7 points in 79 games in his first two seasons.

“Steve is a valuable asset to the Rockets,” Morey said.

[Spur-Addict]

Prepare yourselves for the Matt Bonner Experience.

.....:pctoss....

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! !!!!!

:shootme

[tp2021]

GET RID OF THAT SHIT!

A simple link would've sufficed...

[Buddy Holly]

Indazone, fix that shit.

[Indazone]

sorry fixed

[whottt]

I hate to see Brent depart. He gave the Spurs his best, on and off the court...with a couple of rings to show for it.

Spurs may be signing a decent player in the weeks to come, while getting younger in the process.

The Brent Barry loss is clearly another Daryl Morey chess move and a trap he set for the Spurs weeks ago, considerng each counter move before they happen. :smokin




The biggest problem I see is that Barry knows everything the Spurs do pretty well. He was here for 4 years, and while his knowledge of the D could be sketchy at times, his execution of the offense was pretty much flawless. He generally makes good decisions with the ball, he's very smart about getting bigmen easy easy baskets, Adelman will love his quick passes, and he knows our offense and every weakness of Parker, Bruce, Manu and Duncan..........and Pop...that's kind of going to suck if you think about it.

[Marcus Bryant]

The biggest problem I see is that Barry knows everything the Spurs do pretty well. He was here for 4 years, and while his knowledge of the D could be sketchy at times, his execution of the offense was pretty much flawless. He generally makes good decisions with the ball, he's very smart about getting bigmen easy easy baskets, Adelman will love his quick passes, and he knows our offense and every weakness of Parker, Bruce, Manu and Duncan..........and Pop...that's kind of going to suck if you think about.

Unless the Spurs take the opportunity to shuffle the roster and add a couple young, athletic swingmen.

[coopdogg3]

If the Rockets are just offering the LLE, I've got to believe the Spurs, or some other team, would offer that much.

[whottt]

Unless the Spurs take the opportunity to shuffle the roster and add a couple young, athletic swingmen.


That's pretty much what they'll have to do.

[Indazone]

All I"m gonna say is. Rockets sure love Spurs players. :D

[whottt]

All I"m gonna say is. Rockets sure love Spurs players. :D




That's ok...Horry and Elie have been pretty damn good to the Spurs :tu

[Buddy Holly]

All I"m gonna say is. Rockets sure love Spurs players. :D

They also sure loving never seeing the second round.

[Indazone]

another article from Fox News

"Brent is someone we have always had our eye on," Morey said. "He was our number one choice during the stretch drive last season. He would likely have joined the Rockets if not for Yao's injury."

"Now we are excited to potentially have him join the club and add to the legacy the Barry family has in Houston."

Barry's brother, Jon, and father, Rick, both played for the Rockets.

Brent Barry is a 13 year veteran who has averaged 9.7 points, 3.3 assists, and 3.1 rebounds a game.

Morey will also take a look at free agent forward Robert Horry.

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/myfox/pages/Sports/Detail?contentId=6885234&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=6.1.1

[Marcus Bryant]

If the Rockets are just offering the LLE, I've got to believe the Spurs, or some other team, would offer that much.

Barry's salary for 2008-09 would be the minimum if he did not opt out. It would not be surprising if he in fact did opt out. If the Rockets want to use half or more of their MLE to sign a 36 year old swingman, fine by me. First round and bust, again.

[coopdogg3]

another article from Fox News

"Brent is someone we have always had our eye on," Morey said. "He was our number one choice during the stretch drive last season. He would likely have joined the Rockets if not for Yao's injury."

"Now we are excited to potentially have him join the club and add to the legacy the Barry family has in Houston."

Barry's brother, Jon, and father, Rick, both played for the Rockets.

Brent Barry is a 13 year veteran who has averaged 9.7 points, 3.3 assists, and 3.1 rebounds a game.

Morey will also take a look at free agent forward Robert Horry.

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/myfox/pages/Sports/Detail?contentId=6885234&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=6.1.1

So, in other words, it's the exact same story??

Good to know.

[montgod]

So... who is at the office watching and ready to report who the Spurs call when FA comes alive?

[Indazone]

That's ok...Horry and Elie have been pretty damn good to the Spurs :tu

Ya ya, over the years, the player movement between the Rockets and the Spurs is almost like a commuter shuttle.

[coopdogg3]

Barry's salary for 2008-09 would be the minimum if he did not opt out. It would not be surprising if he in fact did opt out. If the Rockets want to use half or more of their MLE to sign a 36 year old swingman, fine by me. First round and bust, again.

I'm taking it for granted that Barry opts out. He should. The article said the Rockets are gonna use the LLE. Which is good for their cap, but I doubt they'll pry him loose for that much. If they do, good for them, I guess. They still won't make it out of the first round.

[coopdogg3]

So... who is at the office watching and ready to report who the Spurs call when FA comes alive?

I was thinking the same thing. I want an inside scoop. Darn CIA pop. He's probably making an encrypted phone call in code.

[Marcus Bryant]

I'm taking it for granted that Barry opts out. He should. The article said the Rockets are gonna use the LLE. Which is good for their cap, but I doubt they'll pry him loose for that much. If they do, good for them, I guess. They still won't make it out of the first round.

LLE? So Barry gets a pay raise from the Spurs.

[Indazone]

Something wierd is up. Morey usually doesn't telegraph potential players like this.

[Tigole Bitties]

Brent deserves the cash -- he's an asset to any team in the league -- one of the best interviews around, and a good character guy off the court.

although, he's probably raking it in on the residuals from his "Jerry Maguire" appearance

[Spur-Addict]

The biggest problem I see is that Barry knows everything the Spurs do pretty well. He was here for 4 years, and while his knowledge of the D could be sketchy at times, his execution of the offense was pretty much flawless. He generally makes good decisions with the ball, he's very smart about getting bigmen easy easy baskets, Adelman will love his quick passes, and he knows our offense and every weakness of Parker, Bruce, Manu and Duncan..........and Pop...that's kind of going to suck if you think about it.

What we do isn't a big fucking secret (excuse my language). Everyone knows our offense, our defense and our players strengths and weaknesses. The only loss here is a proven player who still has it. That is the true loss, not some fucking covert opt info he has.

[Tigole Bitties]

plus we need him to MC the Spurs Championship Celebration at the Alamodome next year :)

[coopdogg3]

I also want another man-love hug with Stern. That was classic.

[Buddy Holly]

"He was our number one choice during the stretch drive last season. He would likely have joined the Rockets if not for Yao's injury."

lol

No he wasn't. Anyone with half a brain knew he was returning to the Spurs.

[kingmalaki]

I really hope this is true. Barry would be a perfect addition for Houston. He won't put us over the top, but since he can still hit the 3 and facilitate the offense he will fit into Adelmans system quite nicely.

[Marcus Bryant]

Here is a look at the five Spurs players who officially became unrestricted free agents at 11 p.m. Monday.

Kurt Thomas, forward

-snip-

Michael Finley, guard

-snip-

Robert Horry, forward

-snip-

Damon Stoudamire, guard

-snip-

DerMarr Johnson, guard

-snip-



link (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA070108.spursfreeagents.en.f748476.html)

Not that I have much faith in McDonald's reporting, but if this is accurate, then Stat Geek is broadcasting to the world that he's tampering with a Spurs' player.

[tp2021]

I say, make KT the priority of our FAs. Then go after Barry. If Barry can't be had, then go after Horry. Let the rest walk.

[Spurtacus]

Better not be true. He's the only old guy I want to see back. ha...

[whottt]

What we do isn't a big fucking secret (excuse my language). Everyone knows our offense, our defense and our players strengths and weaknesses. The only loss here is a proven player who still has it. That is the true loss, not some fucking covert opt info he has.


I don't agree with your assessment. I don't think that's the way it will play out. While you may be right that Pop doesn't use a whole lot of trickery, he still has tedencies, tendencies he may not even be aware of but someone that has watched him coach for a 4 years will be...furthermore, neither teams, nor the players that play for them, are in the habit of telling other teams and players how to stop them...no one volunteers their weaknesses. And no one recognizes a teams plays as well as a player who has played for them.

For proof of this, well, Avery Johnson pretty much took the Spurs apart at the seams based on inside knowledge from his days with the Spurs...4 or 5 years after he had last played for them....IOW, the situation is not as simple as you think it is.

[Marcus Bryant]

AJ was also head coach.

[ECZ]

:depressed:bang

[SenorSpur]

I hope Barry will resign. However even if he doesn't, I still don't want Finley back. However Pop will probably not have a choice.

[Brutalis]

For some reason I don't give a shit.

[Obstructed_View]

Had a feeling that big game against LA would draw attention.

[timvp]

What does Morey have against the Spurs? It's like he's made it his personal mission to make life as bad as possible for the Spurs. Perhaps he's pissed at Dennis Lindsey and wants to make him lose his job. Perhaps he wants to prove to Lindsey that Lindsey wasn't important at all to the Rockets ... and what better way than to take down the Spurs.

Oh well, I guess it's a compliment to have the Rockets biting at the Spurs' ankles.

[T Park]

Barrys playin em like a fiddle.

Offer the LLE, if he turns that down, adios.

[pad300]

Barrys playin em like a fiddle.

Offer the LLE, if he turns that down, adios.

No, we have his bird rights. We don't spend exception money on him. We ask him (if he has actually opted out, I have seen no convincing report one way or another) to talk to us after he has negotiated something close with another team. If we aren't going to be driven into lux tax or an unreasonable length contract, we match then...

[Obstructed_View]

What does Morey have against the Spurs? It's like he's made it his personal mission to make life as bad as possible for the Spurs. Perhaps he's pissed at Dennis Lindsey and wants to make him lose his job. Perhaps he wants to prove to Lindsey that Lindsey wasn't important at all to the Rockets ... and what better way than to take down the Spurs.

Oh well, I guess it's a compliment to have the Rockets biting at the Spurs' ankles.

I think Lindsey's feeding them information. Seems like they always know what the Spurs are doing since he arrived.

[bigdog]

I think Lindsey's feeding them information. Seems like they always know what the Spurs are doing since he arrived.

Seems that way. Either Morey is showing that Lindsey is worthless by making these moves, or Lindsey is doing some undercover work for the Rockets and giving them the inside scoop on everything that is Spurs.

[ss1986v2]

No, we have his bird rights. We don't spend exception money on him. We ask him (if he has actually opted out, I have seen no convincing report one way or another) to talk to us after he has negotiated something close with another team. If we aren't going to be driven into lux tax or an unreasonable length contract, we match then...
i dont think so. he was traded and then cut. then we signed him to a new contract. bird rights would have been terminated when he was cut by seattle.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The Rockettes are throwing the full MLE at Sasha. :lmao

[whottt]

AJ was also head coach.


Yeah...that had something to do with it, but that doesn't mean Barry can't have a similar impact...Adelman's pretty flexible, I think that's his strength as a coach. Even Ely with his limited knowldge of the Spurs, was a pain in the ass in the Hornets series...


It's a negative. Especially a player that's as offense oriented as Barry...it was the Laker D that beat us.

[timvp]

Since when has whottt been worried about the Rockets? He sure didn't seem worried about them last season . . .

[whottt]

Since when has whottt been worried about the Rockets? He sure didn't seem worried about them last season . . .


That's because I wasn't worried about them last season...and in case you didn't notice, I was right to not be worried about them.

[nil.ball]

The Rockettes are throwing the full MLE at Sasha. :lmao

where? link?


Since when has whottt been worried about the Rockets? He sure didn't seem worried about them last season . . .

where? link?

[timvp]

That's because I wasn't worried about them last season...and in case you didn't notice, I was right to not be worried about them.
So Barry and Scola are going to carry them to a 2009 championship? :stirpot:

[The Franchise]

I really hope this is true. Barry would be a perfect addition for Houston. He won't put us over the top, but since he can still hit the 3 and facilitate the offense he will fit into Adelmans system quite nicely.

I fully agree sir. He would be a nice pickup. Get it done Morey!!

[The Franchise]

So Barry and Scola are going to carry them to a 2009 championship? :stirpot:

One step at a time.

[Bruno]

Thanks to the awesome coverage of Spurs, we haven't heard Barry's feeling towards the rest of his career. So we don't have a clue if he wants to stay in SA, go elsewhere or retire.

A thing that could favor SA is if a sign a 1 year or a 2 years with an option on the second year contract, he will have a no trade close. The safety not to be traded could help him to decide to stay in SA.

[ChumpDumper]

WTF did he even come back?

Hopefully he makes up his mind quickly, so we can all get on with our lives.

[angelbelow]

if barry didnt leave us earlier this season, i have no reason to believe he'll leave us now.

[spurster]

I know a majority of this board doesn't want Finley back, but still...If Barry opts out....does re-signing Finley become a priority to keep at least one "three-point" specialist.

That's what I was thinking. That we will be seeing too much of Finley again.

[polandprzem]

WTF did he even come back?

Hopefully he makes up his mind quickly, so we can all get on with our lives.

There was a chance for a trophy

and realy the situation is diferent now.

[SenorSpur]

]I'd love to see Barry stay with the Spurs too, but I think the Spurs really do have other priorities right now.. we can't keep him around for sentimental reasons.. [/B]We need to get a nice swingman and go after a few more titles before Timmy starts ridings off into that sunset. As good as Manu and Tim are.... the clock is winding down.

Agree completely. :toast

My sentiments exactly for Barry, Finley and.....Robert Horry.

[Obstructed_View]

I'm not sure you can't give Finley's shots to Bonner and get about the same production. Plus you'll have someone that doesn't leave his defender and grabs some rebounds once in a while. Bonner's not any easier for a dribbler to go by than Finley is.

[SPURSGOAT]

I think Barry will jet... you could see how frustrated and pissed he was in that LA series when he was finally given minutes... which was too late. I see him leaving cuz he knows he can get more money and minutes someplace else... I think he cares more about getting minutes than the money. He would have a big chip on his shoulder when he plays the Spurs and make sure to light it up against us every chance he gets...

[Indazone]

Ya Barry was on fire and I couldn't understand why Pop didn't just run the offense through him. He just couldn't miss.

[Bruno]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5866699.html


The Rockets began free agency negotiations with a call to Spurs guard Brent Barry, but indicated interest in Landry by offering Barry the lower level exception, leaving whatever portion of the mid-level that might be needed to match an offer Landry might accept.

So LLE for Barry that is to say $1.91M.
I wonder if Spurs will use the LLE on Barry of if they have another plan for it.
Spurs could also offer Barry 120% of the min without using the LLE or MLE. 120% of the min is $1.51M for Barry.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Spurs could also offer Barry 120% of the min without using the LLE or MLE. 120% of the min is $1.51M for Barry.

He may accept it - but only if it includes a No Trade Clause.:lol

[Tek_XX]

bye

[Bruno]

He may accept it - but only if it includes a No Trade Clause.:lol

If Barry sign an one year contract or a two years with an option on the second year, he will have the power to say no to a trade involving him (like Devean George).

There is also the possibility that Spurs aren't really interested to bring him back. If Spurs want to go younger, they likely will bring either Finley or Barry, not both.
Are Spurs higher on Finley or Barry ?
If Barry don't want to take a $400K pay cut to stay with Spurs, it could be either Barry or Finley + a player like Javtokas.

[objective]

I would hope the Spurs were more interested in keeping Barry than Finley. Unfortunately given that Barry has been injury prone and Finley an iron man, the Spurs might be more inclined to keep Finley in spite of his largely poor performance.

[oligarchy]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5866699.html



So LLE for Barry that is to say $1.91M.
I wonder if Spurs will use the LLE on Barry of if they have another plan for it.
Spurs could also offer Barry 120% of the min without using the LLE or MLE. 120% of the min is $1.51M for Barry.

Actually, that's not the case. He was waived, and therefore didn't complete his contract, so he doesn't get non-Bird FA status. We'd have to use either LLE or MLE.

[Bruno]

Actually, that's not the case. He was waived, and therefore didn't complete his contract, so he doesn't get non-Bird FA status. We'd have to use either LLE or MLE.

He gets the non-bird status because he has signed a min contract with Spurs. It has nothing to do with what happens to him before.

[Indazone]

It's official Barry opted out.

[Bruno]

I would hope the Spurs were more interested in keeping Barry than Finley. Unfortunately given that Barry has been injury prone and Finley an iron man, the Spurs might be more inclined to keep Finley in spite of his largely poor performance.

Last year, when both were healthy, Finley was the one who got more playing time. Pop liked more Finley than Barry, has last playoffs change that ? I'm not sure at all.

[T Park]

Good question, but I think if Barry tells the Spurs hed take the LLE to come back, they would give it to him.

hes worth very much at least that much.

[brespursfan20]

I just couldn't see him leaving after coming back after the trade....I would have thought he wanted to retire a Spur!!

[oligarchy]

He gets the non-bird status because he has signed a min contract with Spurs. It has nothing to do with what happens to him before.

(uuu) “Veteran Free Agent” means a Veteran who completed his Player Contract (other than a 10-Day Contract) by rendering the playing services called for thereunder.

A player who is waived before he has completed the services called for under the contract cannot be considered a Veteran Free Agent.

(y) “Free Agent” means: (i) a Veteran Free Agent; (ii) a Rookie Free Agent; (iii) a Veteran whose Player Contract has been terminated in accordance with the NBA waiver procedure.

Because he was waived during the year, he doesn't qualify as a Veteran Free Agent. Therefore, the non-bird rights don't apply to him.

[Bruno]

(uuu) “Veteran Free Agent” means a Veteran who completed his Player Contract (other than a 10-Day Contract) by rendering the playing services called for thereunder.


He has completed the contract he has signed with Spurs in March/April. Barry is a veteran free agent.

[oligarchy]

He has completed the contract he has signed with Spurs in March/April. Barry is a veteran free agent.

Okay. So he wasn't a veteran free agent when he signed with the Spurs, but since he completed his contract with the Spurs for the remainder of the season he is. I was think it was for the span of the season (even including prior team). I guess that isn't case.

[jay014]

Good, now go after J.R Smith. Next dump Finley,and Horry(who will join Barry in Houston)Sign Thomas