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Red Hawk #21
07-01-2008, 11:30 AM
Some people may call this Homerism but I think Joe Johnson is a Top 10 Shooting Guard in this league. Every time I hear about elite Sg's I never hear anything about him maybe its because he plays for the Hawks, or because he is not flashy, or maybe because he has a silent nature. This guy never gets much credit, his ballhandling is stellar, his decision making is good, his shooting is very good, he's a good passer, he's clutch, and even when we sucked big time he never complained or threw teammates under the bus he just worked hard. This guy is elite. Here is my list of the Top 10 Sg's in the league:
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Lebron James
3. Tracy McGrady
4. Allen Iverson
5. Joe Johnson
6. Manu Ginobili
7.Rip Hamilton
8.Dwyane "quit" Wade
9.Vince Carter(?)
10. Jason Richardson.
Now do you guys think Joe Johnson is a top 10 SG or do you think Im being a homer? And you can also argue with my list if you want.

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Mr.Bottomtooth
07-01-2008, 11:32 AM
I think he's definitely top 10.

And I'd say Lebron is more of a small forward than shooting guard. So I'd take him out and put in Michael Redd, not necessarily in his place.

nil.ball
07-01-2008, 11:33 AM
lol i thought the question was "does this make me a homo"
and i read the post, i thought u had a man crush on johnson or something...
LoL, sorry misread the title.

Showtime24 LAKERS
07-01-2008, 11:33 AM
kobe at #1. at less you got one right, and...lebron is not a guard!!!

Mr.Bottomtooth
07-01-2008, 11:35 AM
lol i thought the question was "does this make me a homo"
and i read the post, i thought u had a man crush on johnson or something...
LoL, sorry misread the title.

:lol

Red Hawk #21
07-01-2008, 11:35 AM
lol i thought the question was "does this make me a homo"
and i read the post, i thought u had a man crush on johnson or something...
LoL, sorry misread the title.

:lol nah man

xtremesteven33
07-01-2008, 11:40 AM
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Dwayne Wade
3. Manu Ginobili
4. Tracy Mcgrady
5. Allen Iverson
6. Joe Johnson
7. Richard Hamilton
8. Jason Richardson
9. Michael Redd
10. Monta Ellis

mavs>spurs2
07-01-2008, 11:40 AM
Definately top 10, borderline top 5. One of the most underrated players in the league IMO, he's pretty well rounded. And proved to be clutch in the first round against the Celtics.

dirk4mvp
07-01-2008, 11:45 AM
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Dwayne Wade
3. Manu Ginobili
4. Tracy Mcgrady
5. Allen Iverson
6. Joe Johnson
7. Richard Hamilton
8. Jason Richardson
9. Michael Redd
10. Monta Ellis


Manu at number 3 is definately being a homer.

mavs>spurs2
07-01-2008, 11:48 AM
Kobe
Wade(healthy)
TMac(healthy)
Iverson
Johnson
Ginobili
Redd
Allen
Hamilton
Carter(?? ran out of ideas)

Red Hawk #21
07-01-2008, 11:49 AM
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Dwayne Wade
3. Manu Ginobili
4. Tracy Mcgrady
5. Allen Iverson
6. Joe Johnson
7. Richard Hamilton
8. Jason Richardson
9. Michael Redd
10. Monta Ellis

What makes Wade and Ginobili better than Joe Johnson? First off I expect to get bashed for this but I think Joe Johnson is better than Manu. And im not even biased I love Manu's game, I love watching him play but this is my opinion. And I think Joe Johnson is WAAAY better than Dwyane Quit. His shooting is way better than D-quit, he is better suited to play at Sg than D-quit is, His passing is way better than D-Fail, how can Dwyane Wade be better than him?

xtremesteven33
07-01-2008, 11:54 AM
What makes Wade and Ginobili better than Joe Johnson? First off I expect to get bashed for this but I think Joe Johnson is better than Manu. And im not even biased I love Manu's game, I love watching him play but this is my opinion. And I think Joe Johnson is WAAAY better than Dwyane Quit. His shooting is way better than D-quit, he is better suited to play at Sg than D-quit is, His passing is way better than D-Fail, how can Dwyane Wade be better than him?



good points but its not about raw talent. its about making your team better and getting them the W's.

Manu has proved time and time again that he can lead his team to victory. he has not only done it in the NBA, but has won olympic gold as well.

Kobe is obviously #1, but DWADE is #2 cause when healthy he can be the best player in the game. no doubt.

Red Hawk #21
07-01-2008, 11:55 AM
good points but its not about raw talent. its about making your team better and getting them the W's.

Manu has proved time and time again that he can lead his team to victory. he has not only done it in the NBA, but has won olympic gold as well.

Kobe is obviously #1, but DWADE is #2 cause when healthy he can be the best player in the game. no doubt.

LOL, D-quit led his team to the worst record in the Nba last season. :lol

Mr.Bottomtooth
07-01-2008, 11:57 AM
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Tracy McGrady
3. Dwyane Wade
4. Allen Iverson
5. Joe Johnson
6. Vince Carter
7. Jason Richardson
8. Rip Hamilton
9. Manu Ginobili
10. Michael Redd

SynicFan
07-01-2008, 11:57 AM
YES.
but isnt that the point?

Red Hawk #21
07-01-2008, 11:58 AM
Oh yeah I forgot about Michael Redd, im not sure if he's Top 10 though to be honest...

xtremesteven33
07-01-2008, 12:02 PM
LOL, D-quit led his team to the worst record in the Nba last season. :lol


i think we all knew he was hurt and not at 100% last year.

ludda
07-01-2008, 12:07 PM
I think he is definitely top 10. Underrated.

MavDynasty
07-01-2008, 12:15 PM
What makes Wade and Ginobili better than Joe Johnson? First off I expect to get bashed for this but I think Joe Johnson is better than Manu. And im not even biased I love Manu's game, I love watching him play but this is my opinion. And I think Joe Johnson is WAAAY better than Dwyane Quit. His shooting is way better than D-quit, he is better suited to play at Sg than D-quit is, His passing is way better than D-Fail, how can Dwyane Wade be better than him?

D-quit is better at sleeping with the refs and getting all the whistles he wants.He's also better at dating old ugly women

Red Hawk #21
07-01-2008, 12:16 PM
i think we all knew he was hurt and not at 100% last year.

Sorry but I don't believe it, I know he was hurt but I think he exaggerated how hurt he was. He kept crying about both his shoulder and then his knee, I lost alot of respect for that guy. I feel like he quit on his team, which is why I call him D-quit.

xtremesteven33
07-01-2008, 12:21 PM
Sorry but I don't believe it, I know he was hurt but I think he exaggerated how hurt he was. He kept crying about both his shoulder and then his knee, I lost alot of respect for that guy. I feel like he quit on his team, which is why I call him D-quit.



no one ever knows how much pain someone feels until youre in thier shoes.

Red Hawk #21
07-01-2008, 12:23 PM
no one ever knows how much pain someone feels until youre in thier shoes.

Well it would be easier for me to believe him if I didn't think he was a huge flopper, you make a good point though.

tlongII
07-01-2008, 12:40 PM
Brandon Roy should be on that list.

midgetonadonkey
07-01-2008, 12:44 PM
Brandon Roy should be on that list.

Now that's homer talk.

IronMexican
07-01-2008, 12:45 PM
I don't think it's homerism to put him in the top 10, but top 5 is a push.

Red Hawk #21
07-01-2008, 12:54 PM
I don't think it's homerism to put him in the top 10, but top 5 is a push.

But I have reasons why I believe he is, and I already stated them.

dallaskd
07-01-2008, 12:58 PM
Tmac is a 3. same as lebroom.

IronMexican
07-01-2008, 02:28 PM
Now that's homer talk.

I would actually put Roy above Richardson, thats just me though.

mavs>spurs2
07-01-2008, 02:30 PM
Oh shit, I forgot about Roy. I actually think he should be up there over Richardson or Carter.

Obstructed_View
07-01-2008, 02:53 PM
Kobe Bryant
Dwayne Wade
Manu Ginobili
Tracy McGrady
Allen Iverson
Michael Redd
Monta Ellis
Brandon Roy
Vince Carter
Rip Hamilton
Joe Johnson

Looks like 11 to me. Some of the guys on this list don't get 18 shots a game like Johnson does.

Obstructed_View
07-01-2008, 02:56 PM
Oh shit, I forgot about Roy. I actually think he should be up there over Richardson or Carter.

I agree. He's got an ability to make plays that you don't see from everybody at that position. As much as it pains me to agree with Tlongii...

Showtime24 LAKERS
07-01-2008, 08:23 PM
why the heck is manu at #3, look how he played in the WFC haha....that is ridiculous!!

JamStone
07-01-2008, 08:26 PM
Tmac is a 3. same as lebroom.


T-Mac is a small forward that is not only capable of playing 2-guard, but for the last few seasons has played almost exclusively at 2-guard. Shane Battier sure ain't a 2-guard.

JamStone
07-01-2008, 08:28 PM
Somewhere in the range of #5-10 is about right for Joe Johnson. I think he does have the talent to be even higher but there are some great shooting guards in the league.

Manu on will to win and toughness is way up the list. On talent, I don't know if I'd put him #3, but definitely top 10.

manufor3
07-01-2008, 08:31 PM
why the heck is manu at #3, look how he played in the WFC haha....that is ridiculous!!

ya, lets look how all those players played when they were injured!

thekingrobert
07-01-2008, 11:47 PM
I'll take JJ over Ai and TMac guy plays O and D straight balla

Obstructed_View
07-02-2008, 08:58 AM
why the heck is manu at #3, look how he played in the WFC haha....that is ridiculous!!

I put Kobe at number one despite all the times he's failed in the playoffs, even when he's not injured.