Yahoo: Spurs front-runners in race for Maggette

[Marcus Bryant]

If some team offers him a good amount more than the MLE he will take it.

Who will? Those options are limited, at best. He won't have the possibility of a S&T and it's not hard to see the Warriors, Sixers, and Grizzlies decline to make him a large offer.



You think it was his grand plan to opt out and sign to a contender for MLE peanuts? His opting out decision completely backfired and blew up in his face and now he has to make the best of it.

Sure, perhaps he screwed up. Now he takes a short term MLE deal with the opportunity to become a free agent in 2010, which will be a much better offseason for free agents with half of the NBA creating max cap room to chase LeBron. The Spurs will have enough cap flexibility then to give him a very nice raise.

[T Park]

:lmao @ ur delusions.

Laugh all you want.

I could care less.

[completely deck]

Laugh all you want.

I could care less.

You could care less, or you couldn't care less? :downspin:

[SpursChampsIII]

He didn't say he wanted a ring, he just said he was tired of losing. This means any of the contenders who are offering him the MLE are fair game IMHO.

ORL seems like the best fit for him. Their core is all under 30 and other than BOS there really aren't any dominant teams in the EC anymore. One could argue that his chances of making it to the Finals is greater in the EC than it would be if he stayed in the loaded WC.

You're speaking from a Laker point of view. You can't say he would be better off going to Orlando...he won't impact them as much as he would impact the Spurs. Don't be scurred.

[completely deck]

You're speaking from a Laker point of view. You can't say he would be better off going to Orlando...he won't impact them as much as he would impact the Spurs. Don't be scurred.

He's been trolling all 29 pages of this thread, ignore him.

[oligarchy]

this would be the PERFECT signing..

let's get the negatives out of the way..

defense is NOT an issue..our defense has been great every year, even this year, where an average Parker and Ginobili played big minutes, and a TERRIBLE Finley started..we still have the system, and we still have Tim Duncan/Pop..that makes our D..Maggette is even less of a concern, because he's more athletic than any of those other liabilities we have..he has POTENTIAL defensively..

his shooting % is not a concern..he's gonna be playing with Tim Duncan, Parker and Manu, which is more talent than he's ever dreamed of playing with..

on to the positives..

this would be PERFECT..not only would Mags give us another scorer, but he gives us the best kind..a slasher..instead of relying on the 3-point shot as much as we do, we would have somebody that can kill the defense with his drive..he can play with the best post passer in the NBA feeding him on his slashing..

he CAN shoot..he's more athletic than any swingman we've had in a while(White doesn't count)..

I'm not getting my hopes up though..this would be huge..

Maggette can't be any worse than Finley, but I wouldn't necessarily say he is an automatic upgrade. He SHOULD be, but I think that's the point you are making. Maggette would offload much of the scoring that Ginobili would need in order to help save Manu for the playoffs.

I think the % question revolves around his 3p shooting. Which, people shouldn't worry about, because I don't think he'd attempt as many (more like the year prior). Also, he'd be better suited in his mid-range game and slashing anyway.

[TheMadHatter]

You're speaking from a Laker point of view. You can't say he would be better off going to Orlando...he won't impact them as much as he would impact the Spurs. Don't be scurred.

I think both teams have a pressing need for a guy like Maggette. Who on the Magic can penetrate and get to the line? They have Howard and a bunch of 3pt shooters. A piece like Maggette immediately puts them into the top 3 teams in the EC.

I'm not scared about Maggette going anywhere. I have no control over it, no point in worrying about it. It's just interesting to see how riled up people get whenever the slightest hint of a trade pops up. Trust me, Laker fans went through this all off-season last year.

[oligarchy]

I think both teams have a pressing need for a guy like Maggette. Who on the Magic can penetrate and get to the line? They have Howard and a bunch of 3pt shooters. A piece like Maggette immediately puts them into the top 3 teams in the EC.

I'm not scared about Maggette going anywhere. I have no control over it, no point in worrying about it. It's just interesting to see how riled up people get whenever the slightest hint of a trade pops up. Trust me, Laker fans went through this all off-season last year.

It's the off-season -- you want people to get excited about the new ad agency that is coming in? Rumors and speculation of players, transactions, and trades are it.

[nadroj117]

I've been wanting JR Smith for about 2 months at the MLE. This would be amazing if we could pull off a better player who is not restricted for the same price. Maggette, Hill, Ian would be pleanty to making us a younger team. I'd still like to get Barry back as well

[ChumpDumper]

It's just interesting to see how riled up people get whenever the slightest hint of a trade pops up.Yes, you are spectacularly riled up.

[tmtcsc]

Well, they'd have their LLE ($1.9 mil) and the the Beno trade exception. Perhaps one of these younger swingmen (Hayes, Diarrhea, Evans, etc). Maybe they replace Barry with Giricek, which if you were going to replace Barry with a similar player is about as close as you can get to a real replacement for him. Maybe they sign Javtokas with the LLE and move Bonner for Delfino in a S&T.

Somewhere, Brent Barry is insulted as hell. Giricek sucks.

[Marcus Bryant]

Somewhere, Brent Barry is insulted as hell. Giricek sucks.

He can knock down 3s at a good clip and play team D. He was pretty solid in the series with the Suns. What other shooters are out there and available for the LLE or lower?

[tmtcsc]

"It's not always about money," Maggette said. "I've been in the league a long time and I've made a lot of money. I'm tired of losing. I want to get back to the playoffs and win."

Sincerely, Derek Anderson

Give me a break. It's always about the money. 99 % of the time. A person can go anywhere for more $$ and justify it with this and that. Help a young team, love of game, filled a role, thought they had a great shot with me on the roster, want to be a part of this thing, its all about LOYALTY (My personal favorite)....blah blah blah...F You, pay me.

[florige]

Signing Maggette would make my otherwise crap month GREAT!!!

[Marcus Bryant]

"It's not always about money," Maggette said. "I've been in the league a long time and I've made a lot of money. I'm tired of losing. I want to get back to the playoffs and win."

Sincerely, Derek Anderson

Give me a break. It's always about the money. 99 % of the time. A person can go anywhere for more $$ and justify it with this and that. Help a young team, love of game, filled a role, thought they had a great shot with me on the roster, want to be a part of this thing, its all about LOYALTY (My personal favorite)....blah blah blah...F You, pay me.

Sometimes, the money isn't there. Which is how this offseason is shaping up for him.

[Kindergarten Cop]

"It's not always about money," Maggette said. "I've been in the league a long time and I've made a lot of money. I'm tired of losing. I want to get back to the playoffs and win."

Sincerely, Derek Anderson

Give me a break. It's always about the money. 99 % of the time. A person can go anywhere for more $$ and justify it with this and that. Help a young team, love of game, filled a role, thought they had a great shot with me on the roster, want to be a part of this thing, its all about LOYALTY (My personal favorite)....blah blah blah...F You, pay me.

Nobody is confusing what Maggette is saying with "I'll take the minimum, just as long as I'm with a winner." Of course he's going to want to get paid, but I believe that he would sacrifice SOME money to go to a winning club after what he has dealt with in L.A.

[tmtcsc]

He can knock down 3s at a good clip and play team D. He was pretty solid in the series with the Suns. What other shooters are out there and available for the LLE or lower?

?? You're kidding right ? He was absolutely terrible against us. He shot 6 for 18 against us, didn't grab an offensive rebound and made 1 3 pter.

[Marcus Bryant]

Nobody is confusing what Maggette is saying with "I'll take the minimum, just as long as I'm with a winner." Of course he's going to want to get paid, but I believe that he would sacrifice SOME money to go to a winning club after what he has dealt with in L.A.

The way things are shaping up, Maggette will be forced to "sacrifice" by taking the MLE as there won't be any better financial alternatives. He'll likely sign a short term deal with the opportunity to opt out in a much better offseason for free agents (ie 2010). Spurs will have a significant amount of cap flexibility that summer themeselves; enough to give him a FMV contract.

[tmtcsc]

IF Golden St. decides not to pursue him, then I would like our chances better.

[Marcus Bryant]

?? You're kidding right ? He was absolutely terrible against us. He shot 6 for 18 against us, didn't grab an offensive rebound and made 1 3 pter.

He hit some 3s and defended well. Again, what other shooter is available for the LLE or less who will be willing to be the Spurs' fifth swingman?

[1Parker1]

Wait...didn't the Celtics also extend an offer to him? Anyone know how much that was for?

[Kindergarten Cop]

The way things are shaping up, Maggette will be forced to "sacrifice" by taking the MLE as there won't be any better financial alternatives. He'll likely sign a short term deal with the opportunity to opt out in a much better offseason for free agents (ie 2010). Spurs will have a significant amount of cap flexibility that summer themeselves; enough to give him a FMV contract.

+1

[tmtcsc]

He hit some 3s and defended well. Again, what other shooter is available for the LLE or less who will be willing to be the Spurs' fifth swingman?

James Jones, Carlos Delfino maybe ?

[Marcus Bryant]

James Jones, Carlos Delfino maybe ?

For the LLE?

[Spur-Addict]

James Jones, Carlos Delfino maybe ?

If i'm not mistaken James made about three mill and change last year, i'd prefer him over Gordon but who knows if he'll take that kind of pay cut. Delfino starts at 2.7 mil (Bidding) so he may exceed the price range. He isn't much for hustling either but who knows. Out of the three I prefer Jones then Gordon, then Delfino.

[tmtcsc]

For the LLE?


Delfino lost his leverage by not living up to expectations. I think Jones can be had for LLE money too. I'm not sure. Hell, I'd take Barry over both of them.

[Marcus Bryant]

Delfino lost his leverage by not living up to expectations. I think Jones can be had for LLE money too. I'm not sure. Hell, I'd take Barry over both of them.

Delfino likely can make more in Europe. Jones will get a good chunk of someone's MLE.

[Obstructed_View]

Delfino likely can make more in Europe.
According to reports, all NBA players can make more in Europe.

[Marcus Bryant]

According to reports, all NBA players can make more in Europe.

"Reports" from Greece?

[CaptainLate]

Maggette going to the Spurs just doesn't add up in my head. He's not a prototypical Spurs player and the Spurs are seriously one of the last teams I'd ever picture him on....and I have a gut feeling Maggette is going to end up in Orlando. He'll make the full MLE, have a starting job, be close to his family, and in a great location.


The Flaker fan doesn't know squat. He's on his knees praying CM goes ANYWHERE but the Spurs. If he signs here, the Flakers chances of getting out of the West go down the drain -- with or w/o Bynum.

[CaptainLate]

that depends on if maggette wants to win. to be honest, he could play lazy D here too. even then hes an upgrade over barry and finleys D. He gets a starting job here too and will likely have a role as a scorer. he would make the same money here.


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[ATRAIN]

Man I hope this happens........ITS DRIVING ME CRAZY. The 9th couldn't come sooner!!

[ChumpDumper]

Wait...didn't the Celtics also extend an offer to him? Anyone know how much that was for?The same money the Spurs are offering.

Problem is Posey wants MLE money too.

[Marcus Bryant]

The same money the Spurs are offering.

Right. And Spurs are offering a starting spot and 35+ minutes a night.




Problem is Posey wants MLE money too.

Yep.

[tp2021]

So, is it likely that whoever of the two misses out on maggette goes after posey at that point? Whenever the two teams played, posey might be guarding maggette...

Damn. I hope the Spurs get someone they want.

[bigdog]

Problem is Posey wants MLE money too.

Ainge said that Posey was their priority. That means that if he is still their priority, they should be waiting for him to accept their offer, which is probably part of the MLE.

If that happens, then Celtics say goodbye to Maggette.

[ChumpDumper]

I think their highest non-MLE offer to Posey could be about $3.85 million, so he must want something close to a full MLE deal. Using any of the MLE would take the Celtics out of the running.

[timvp]

What sucks is that this is going to likely drag on for a long time. Even after July 9th comes, Maggette and his agent will probably wait while the Sixers and perhaps Warriors offer contracts to restricted free agents. Only after those two teams (plus maybe the Grizzlies) decide what they are going to do will Maggette decide what to do. Unless he really, really wants to sign with the Spurs, I don't see it happening until around July 16th or 17th at the earliest.

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[Marcus Bryant]

What sucks is that this is going to likely drag on for a long time. Even after July 9th comes, Maggette and his agent will probably wait while the Sixers and perhaps Warriors offer contracts to restricted free agents. Only after those two teams (plus maybe the Grizzlies) decide what they are going to do will Maggette decide what to do. Unless he really, really wants to sign with the Spurs, I don't see it happening until around July 16th or 17th at the earliest.

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Yeah. This is going to be a long, painful affair.

[Obstructed_View]

What sucks is that this is going to likely drag on for a long time. Even after July 9th comes, Maggette and his agent will probably wait while the Sixers and perhaps Warriors offer contracts to restricted free agents. Only after those two teams (plus maybe the Grizzlies) decide what they are going to do will Maggette decide what to do. Unless he really, really wants to sign with the Spurs, I don't see it happening until around July 16th or 17th at the earliest.

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If the draft is any indication, I'd guess that the Spurs simply won't wait that long if there's a risk of ending up with nothing.

[bigdog]

What sucks is that this is going to likely drag on for a long time. Even after July 9th comes, Maggette and his agent will probably wait while the Sixers and perhaps Warriors offer contracts to restricted free agents. Only after those two teams (plus maybe the Grizzlies) decide what they are going to do will Maggette decide what to do. Unless he really, really wants to sign with the Spurs, I don't see it happening until around July 16th or 17th at the earliest.

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Agreed. I don't think he decides on anything until after the Philly/Smith thing sorts out, and he'll wait to see what GS does.

Unless Pop really convinced him during his rumored visit to San Diego, then I see this thing lasting another week or two.

[ChumpDumper]

Grizzlies aren't going to do anything.

Sixers? Maybe.

Warriors are trying to replace a franchise player. If Brand and Arenas turn them down, I expect them to try trading their cap space.

[bigdog]

Now that I think about it, the Celtics just drafted JR Giddens and Bill Walker. Is there any room for Maggette there also with Pierce and Allen at the starting spots, especially if they resign Posey? I don't think so.

[vy65]

Haven't seen this posted anywhere else, and it is largely, if not entirely a rehash of Wojo's Yahoo Article, but:

"Spurs are First in Line for Corey Maggette"

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/07/02/spurs-are-first-in-line-for-corey-maggette/

[completely deck]

RotoWire.com Staff - RotoWire.com (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AuFDlT5kHk6Tqrf9GOyV3IPWCsQF/SIG=11nlu3jf0/**http%3A//www.rotowire.com/users/ad_jump.asp%3Fid=999) 1 hour, 44 minutes ago

Update: According to two NBA sources, one from each conference, the Spurs are preparing to make an offer to Maggette, who became an unrestricted free agent Tuesday when he opted out of the final year of his contract with the Clippers, the San Antonio Express-News reports.
Recommendation: Details are not known, but the Spurs are believed to be poised to offer the 28-year-old guard-forward their full mid-level exception worth about $5.8 million for the first year, the sources say. Boston and Orlando are other teams that have expressed interest.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=rotowire-oreyaggettepursntere&prov=rotowire&type=fantasy

[Marcus Bryant]

Now that I think about it, the Celtics just drafted JR Giddens and Bill Walker. Is there any room for Maggette there also with Pierce and Allen at the starting spots, especially if they resign Posey? I don't think so.

Right. Plus they're offering a reserve role (ie Posey's) and fewer minutes than he can get in SA. If he takes a MLE contract then it will be all about him prepping himself for the offseason of 2010. I think the Spurs are first in line if he does end up having to take an MLE offer.

[td4mvp21]

Would Maggette be ok with not playing late in the fourth quarters, except when Pop is forced to play small?

[Marcus Bryant]

Would Maggette be ok with not playing late in the fourth quarters, except when Pop is forced to play small?

As long as he gets his 35 minutes and 15 shot attempts or whatever I'm sure he'd be ok.

[ChumpDumper]

Would Maggette be ok with not playing late in the fourth quarters, except when Pop is forced to play small?Why wouldn't he?

Free throws become very important late in games.

[Marcus Bryant]

Grizzlies aren't going to do anything.

Agreed.



Sixers? Maybe.


Right. Perhaps Atlanta is still Atlanta and they don't match an offer to Smith.




Warriors are trying to replace a franchise player. If Brand and Arenas turn them down, I expect them to try trading their cap space.

Right. They need a name now to replace Davis. I'm sure someone might be willing to dump a large contract attached to a name for perhaps some mix of the Warriors' young talent and cap relief.

[bigdog]

Right. They need a name now to replace Davis. I'm sure someone might be willing to dump a large contract attached to a name for perhaps some mix of the Warriors' young talent and cap relief.

Knicks, Marbury?

I think it could be possible.

[timvp]

Would Maggette be ok with not playing late in the fourth quarters, except when Pop is forced to play small?He'd get fourth quarter time. Combining Bowen getting older and probably playing less fourth quarter minutes, Ginobili resting during the regular season and likely getting less fourth quarter minutes and Pop going with small ball, Maggette should find time in the fourth. The Celtics are coming off a championship where Posey was their fourth quarter power forward, so I'm sure we'll see a lot of copycat moves next season.

[SPURSGOAT]

What sucks is that this is going to likely drag on for a long time. Even after July 9th comes, Maggette and his agent will probably wait while the Sixers and perhaps Warriors offer contracts to restricted free agents. Only after those two teams (plus maybe the Grizzlies) decide what they are going to do will Maggette decide what to do. Unless he really, really wants to sign with the Spurs, I don't see it happening until around July 16th or 17th at the earliest.

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DAMN IT!!! Then that means we will miss out on JR, Pietrus and other good MLE players and be left with LLE scrubs.... :bang:bang

[2centsworth]

I wish I was somebody in the NBA. The anticipation is going to be a killer.

[twilo73]

According to HoopsHype.com GS has just offered a max contract to Brand... if he takes it the Clippers will certainly offer more money to Maggette and he will stay in LA. This is starting to become way too complicated for us.

[JPB]

The Warriors have offered free agent Elton Brand a five-year deal worth between $85 and $90 million, according to league sources.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53345/20080702/warriors_offer_brand_huge_contract/

[Marcus Bryant]

Knicks, Marbury?

I think it could be possible.

Not sure about that. They'll need someone who can play and who they can promote. They could always just go with a youth movement and keep their group together. And keep their payroll down.

The Warriors seem to be focused on ensuring that they aren't stuck with bad contracts for their perimeter talent. That's part of the reason Davis is headed out of town.

[Marcus Bryant]

According to HoopsHype.com GS has just offered a max contract to Brand... if he takes it the Clippers will certainly offer more money to Maggette and he will stay in LA. This is starting to become way too complicated for us.

Not a given. That will mean that the Clippers will have to sweeten their offer to Brand.

[bigdog]

According to HoopsHype.com GS has just offered a max contract to Brand... if he takes it the Clippers will certainly offer more money to Maggette and he will stay in LA. This is starting to become way too complicated for us.

Brand will stay in LA. He said yesterday that he would love for the Clippers to team him up with Davis, and the Clippers are signing Davis, so I think no matter what money GS throws at him, he will take a paycut to play with LA.

[Marcus Bryant]

Its not like Maggette will be the saviour of the Spurs anyways.

You're right. That's Mahinmi.

[lefty]

He'd get fourth quarter time. Combining Bowen getting older and probably playing less fourth quarter minutes, Ginobili resting during the regular season and likely getting less fourth quarter minutes and Pop going with small ball, Maggette should find time in the fourth. The Celtics are coming off a championship where Posey was their fourth quarter power forward, so I'm sure we'll see a lot of copycat moves next season.

I think Bowen may get less 1st-2nd-3rd quarters minutes, so he has fresher legs for 4th quarter defense.
We'll need his stops in crunch time, as he couldn't keep up with Kobe in the 4th quarters of the WCF

[Extra Stout]

isnt mahinmi & maggette the name of an indian truck company?

[ChumpDumper]

Its not like Maggette will be the saviour of the Spurs anyways.The signing scares you enough to get you to try to downplay it -- that's good enough for me.

[JPB]

Clippers can't offer more than 70 M (which is already nice...)

[TheMadHatter]

You're right. That's Mahinmi.

:lmao so a D-League player is your savior? He'll realistically take at least 1-2 years to develop before he can contribute. Maggette is realized talent that can make a significant impact right now. If the Spurs get him they are definitely favorites to get out of the West.

I don't see Maggette moving one inch until all the potential offers are layed out on the table for him. Word is he wanted a contract around $10-11 million from the Clippers, he's not exactly happy to be settling for MLE peanuts.

[ChumpDumper]

Damn, lakerfans are stuck to this thread like glue.

[Marcus Bryant]

:lmao so a D-League player is your savior? He'll realistically take at least 1-2 years to develop before he can contribute. Maggette is realized talent that can make a significant impact right now. If the Spurs get him they are definitely favorites to get out of the West.

I don't see Maggette moving one inch until all the potential offers are layed out on the table for him. Word is he wanted a contract around $10-11 million from the Clippers, he's not exactly happy to be settling for MLE peanuts.

He's had those 1-2 years already.

[Marcus Bryant]

Damn, lakerfans are stuck to this thread like glue.

:lol No doubt. I wonder why.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:lmao so a D-League player is your savior? He'll realistically take at least 1-2 years to develop before he can contribute.

What a coincidence. He's already had 1-2 years to develop.

[TheMadHatter]

Damn, lakerfans are stuck to this thread like glue.

Big named FA that could potentially make the Spurs a real threat next season. Of course we are interested in hearing about this.

[JPB]

Warriors Offer Brand Huge Contract

Jul 02, 2008 2:34 PM EST
The Warriors have offered free agent Elton Brand a five-year deal worth between $85 and $90 million, according to league sources.

Brand, like Baron Davis, opted out of the final year of his contract just before Monday's deadline, giving up a guaranteed $16.4 million for next season.

At the time, Brand's agent, David Falk, told reporters that the move was designed to create some cap flexibility for the Clippers to add another top-line player.

The most the Clippers can offer Brand is a five-year deal worth about $70 million due to salary-cap restrictions - about $20 million less than the Warriors.

Brand, who had been close to re-signing with the Clippers, is expected to make a decision today.

Via San Francisco Chronicle

[Spur-Addict]

You're right. That's Mahinmi.

A.K.A The Future, or Marty McFly for the movie buffs.

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[Marcus Bryant]

The Warriors have offered free agent Elton Brand a five-year deal worth between $85 and $90 million, according to league sources.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53345/20080702/warriors_offer_brand_huge_contract/

Maybe I'm wrong, and I think it may be due to the Over 36 Rule, but can't the Clippers sign Brand to a six year deal?

[ChumpDumper]

Big named FA that could potentially make the Spurs a real threat next season. Of course we are interested in hearing about this.Yeah, and you're doing your best to talk Maggette out of signing here as if he was reading the thread.

It's hilarious.

[TheMadHatter]

What a coincidence. He's already had 1-2 years to develop.

I meant 1-2 years in the NBA. That's if he pans out, most D-League players do not.

[timvp]

Warriors Offer Brand Huge Contract

Jul 02, 2008 2:34 PM EST
The Warriors have offered free agent Elton Brand a five-year deal worth between $85 and $90 million, according to league sources.

Brand, like Baron Davis, opted out of the final year of his contract just before Monday's deadline, giving up a guaranteed $16.4 million for next season.

At the time, Brand's agent, David Falk, told reporters that the move was designed to create some cap flexibility for the Clippers to add another top-line player.

The most the Clippers can offer Brand is a five-year deal worth about $70 million due to salary-cap restrictions - about $20 million less than the Warriors.

Brand, who had been close to re-signing with the Clippers, is expected to make a decision today.

Via San Francisco ChronicleHoly crap. Not good. That'd make Maggette property of the Clippers again ... and available for sign-and-trade.

Don't take the money, Brand :)

[JPB]

Maybe I'm wrong, and I think it may be due to the Over 36 Rule, but can't the Clippers sign Brand to a six year deal?

The most the Clippers can offer Brand is a five-year deal worth about $70 million due to salary-cap restrictions - about $20 million less than the Warriors.

[Spur-Addict]

:lmao so a D-League player is your savior? He'll realistically take at least 1-2 years to develop before he can contribute. Maggette is realized talent that can make a significant impact right now. If the Spurs get him they are definitely favorites to get out of the West.

I don't see Maggette moving one inch until all the potential offers are layed out on the table for him. Word is he wanted a contract around $10-11 million from the Clippers, he's not exactly happy to be settling for MLE peanuts.

Like I said before, change your name to "TheMadHater"

[FromWayDowntown]

My understanding is that Brand was pretty adamant -- at least to Marc Stein -- that the rationale for opting out this year was to give the Clippers some room to seek out a big-name sidekick. Brand knew that he was going to leave some money on the table in taking that chance, but he thought the chance to improve the club was necessary to make playing in LA worthwhile to him. Given that, I can't see any offer from any other club being enough to entice Brand away from the Clippers (I can't believe I actually just wrote that. . . . ). I don't think GST coming up with a big money offer to Brand will mean much in terms of the Spurs' pursuit of Maggette.

This is probably discussed elsewhere in this thread, but have the Clippers renounced Maggette to this point (must they?)?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I meant 1-2 years in the NBA. That's if he pans out, most D-League players do not.

He's already had 1 year in the NBA. He's still bulking up, has a great set of post moves, and quick as hell. He has a future ahead in the NBA.

[brettn]

Brand isn't going anywhere. He'll take the pay cut to play with Davis.

[ChumpDumper]

I meant 1-2 years in the NBA. That's if he pans out, most D-League players do not.First round draft picks that are assigned to the D-League aren't your usual D-League players.

Sincerely,

Jordan Farmar

[Marcus Bryant]

Let's see, Brand was born on Mar. 11, 1979.

A quick glance at the CBA FAQ section (http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#49) on the "Over 36" Rule would seem to indicate that the Clippers can offer Brand a six year deal.

[Marcus Bryant]

The most the Clippers can offer Brand is a five-year deal worth about $70 million due to salary-cap restrictions - about $20 million less than the Warriors.

Yeah, I read that. But I believe that's incorrect. The Clippers have Brand's full Bird Rights and he's 29 years old.

[TheMadHatter]

He's already had 1 year in the NBA. He's still bulking up, has a great set of post moves, and quick as hell. He has a future ahead in the NBA.

You mean the 6 games he played this season in which he averaged 3.8 mpg?

:lmao

[td4mvp21]

I don't think Brand is going to go to the Warriors after Bdiddy just agreed to sign with the Clippers.

[Marcus Bryant]

My understanding is that Brand was pretty adamant -- at least to Marc Stein -- that the rationale for opting out this year was to give the Clippers some room to seek out a big-name sidekick. Brand knew that he was going to leave some money on the table in taking that chance, but he thought the chance to improve the club was necessary to make playing in LA worthwhile to him. Given that, I can't see any offer from any other club being enough to entice Brand away from the Clippers (I can't believe I actually just wrote that. . . . ). I don't think GST coming up with a big money offer to Brand will mean much in terms of the Spurs' pursuit of Maggette.

This is probably discussed elsewhere in this thread, but have the Clippers renounced Maggette to this point (must they?)?

Not sure how the CBA governs a verbal offer.

[TheMadHatter]

First round draft picks that are assigned to the D-League aren't your usual D-League players.

Sincerely,

Jordan Farmar

Except he played 72 NBA games in his rookie season averaging 15.1 mpg.

Big difference between 72 games/15.1mpg and 6 games/3.8 mpg.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

You mean the 6 games he played this season in which he averaged 3.8 mpg?

:lmao

Like you said yourself, it's all development.
How do you expect a player who was in need of development to come in play in the NBA immediately? You're contradicting yourself right now.

[ChumpDumper]

Except he played 72 NBA games in his rookie season averaging 15.1 mpg.

Big difference between 72 games/15.1mpg and 6 games/3.8 mpg.Yeah, the Lakers were a shittier team.

[JPB]

Holy crap. Not good. That'd make Maggette property of the Clippers again ... and available for sign-and-trade.

Don't take the money, Brand :)

He said lately that Boston proved putting allstars together could work, if going in the same direction.

I maybe wrong but leaving just when BD signed would contradict that take.
What couldn't he do with 70 M that he could with 90 ? Go to Mars ?

But again, we're talking money here, so...

[Marcus Bryant]

Here's the answer:


4. Exactly what is included when computing total team salaries?

-snip-

* Salaries in contracts that have been agreed to but not yet executed (i.e., verbal agreements or agreements pending physicals). Note: During the July Moratorium (see question number 89), teams may not enter into verbal or written agreements. Therefore any agreements that are stuck during the moratorium are still characterized as negotiations, and do not count as team salary.


source (http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm)

[bigdog]

Except he played 72 NBA games in his rookie season averaging 15.1 mpg.

Big difference between 72 games/15.1mpg and 6 games/3.8 mpg.

The Lakers had no other choice. They sucked.

[TheMadHatter]

Like you said yourself, it's all development.
How do you expect a player who was in need of development to come in play in the NBA immediately? You're contradicting yourself right now.

No I'm not. I'm saying no amount of D-League basketball can really prepare you for the NBA. Especially for a young bigman, it's going to take at least a year before he can adjust to the NBA speed and physicality. And you're assuming he's going to get major minutes over Oberto and Thomas. The Spurs can't afford to fuck around with rotations in the Wild West, every game is important.

[Marcus Bryant]

First round draft picks that are assigned to the D-League aren't your usual D-League players.

Sincerely,

Jordan Farmar


Indeed.

[td4mvp21]

Yeah, the Lakers were a shittier team.

Wasn't that when Kwame Brown was their starting center? Yeah, I don't think they really had options.

[Marcus Bryant]

No I'm not. I'm saying no amount of D-League basketball can really prepare you for the NBA. Especially for a young bigman, it's going to take at least a year before he can adjust to the NBA speed and physicality. And you're assuming he's going to get major minutes over Oberto and Thomas. The Spurs can't afford to fuck around with rotations in the Wild West, every game is important.

Watch and learn.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm assuming the Davis and Brand numbers are a little fungible since the amounts available rely heavily on whether they use cap space or Bird rights to re-sign Brand and the timing of each signing. It will be interesting to see how it finally shakes out.

[timvp]

8d8PhKNKH0E

A Spurs fan needs to step up and make one for Maggette. Maybe this could replace the mariachis.

[Marcus Bryant]

I'm assuming the Davis and Brand numbers are a little fungible since the amounts available rely heavily on whether they use cap space or Bird rights to re-sign Brand and the timing of each signing. It will be interesting to see how it finally shakes out.

True. If they renounce their other free agents, sign Brand, and then sign Davis they should be ok.

[ChumpDumper]

Damn, these lakerfans are cracking me up. Your team made the finals. You got nothing better to do than try to make us feel bad about Maggette and Ian?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

No I'm not. I'm saying no amount of D-League basketball can really prepare you for the NBA. Especially for a young bigman, it's going to take at least a year before he can adjust to the NBA speed and physicality. And you're assuming he's going to get major minutes over Oberto and Thomas. The Spurs can't afford to fuck around with rotations in the Wild West, every game is important.

The thing is Mahinmi doesn't play the gritty physical style that requires NBA adjustment. He plays with finesse, rare bigman speed, his jumpshot, and knows how to get around without having to need to use his strength.

[Marcus Bryant]

Maybe it's time for the Spurs to step in with their trade exception and help the Clips out?

[Thomas]

pff, spurs are getting boring...Barry the only old player that played his mind out in the playoffs is leaving because he's tired of being on the tradelist every year. The Other old guys like Vaughn Horry Finley are like to stay.

[bigdog]

8d8PhKNKH0E

A Spurs fan needs to step up and make one for Maggette. Maybe this could replace the mariachis.

:lol:lol:lol That is seriously badass.

[Marcus Bryant]

Damn, these lakerfans are cracking me up. Your team made the finals. You got nothing better to do than try to make us feel bad about Maggette and Ian?

What else would they do?

[JPB]

Honestly,

I more concerned about Magette's friends saying that Corey asked the magic to make a strong push for him.

[SPURSGOAT]

damn i'm getting kinda frustrated and a little nervous that we will wait on Maggette's decision and miss out on other good MLE guys... damn this sux!!! :depressed :pctoss

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe it's time for the Spurs to step in with their trade exception and help the Clips out?I was thinking we could do that with Philly -- but only after signing Maggette.

[bigdog]

Maybe it's time for the Spurs to step in with their trade exception and help the Clips out?
Hell yes.

[misterx91578]

He'd get fourth quarter time. Combining Bowen getting older and probably playing less fourth quarter minutes, Ginobili resting during the regular season and likely getting less fourth quarter minutes and Pop going with small ball, Maggette should find time in the fourth. The Celtics are coming off a championship where Posey was their fourth quarter power forward, so I'm sure we'll see a lot of copycat moves next season.


and in a close game it takes away hack a Bowen if Maggette is in

[Marcus Bryant]

What does the Clippers' cap look like right now? This source (http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_clippers.htm) is obviously incomplete.

[bigdog]

damn i'm getting kinda frustrated and a little nervous that we will wait on Maggette's decision and miss out on other good MLE guys... damn this sux!!! :depressed :pctoss

That's why the Spurs should tell him that he needs to make a decision quick, because what if he waits too long and other teams(us included) sign someone else and won't be able to get Maggette? Then he'd be left signing somewhere else for cheap as hell, and he doesn't want that.

[Marcus Bryant]

They offered Williams and someone else a qualifying offer, right?

[angelbelow]

They offered Williams and someone else a qualifying offer, right?

yup, i think the other was their rookie last year, frankas? not sure about spelling.

[Spur-Addict]

What else would they do?

Pray every morning to their Kobe Shrines. Also, they talk about the past Laker teams that most of them probably weren't alive to watch. Furthermore, they steadily deny the truth in order to compensate for the depression they have in their lives away from the computer. I may be missing something but that's roughly a "rough draft".

[Marcus Bryant]

The offer to Davis is 5 years, $65 mil. So that would be a contract starting at $11.11 mil assuming an 8.5% annual raise.

[td4mvp21]

He'd get fourth quarter time. Combining Bowen getting older and probably playing less fourth quarter minutes, Ginobili resting during the regular season and likely getting less fourth quarter minutes and Pop going with small ball, Maggette should find time in the fourth. The Celtics are coming off a championship where Posey was their fourth quarter power forward, so I'm sure we'll see a lot of copycat moves next season.

I know he would get fourth quarter time, but I assumed Pop would have Parker, Manu, Bowen, TD + Big in the late fourth quarter of playoff games (assuming the other team isn't small ball). Or would Pop subsitute Maggette for Bowen? Wouldn't we need the defense?

[Marcus Bryant]

What is the cap for 2008-09?

[MannyIsGod]

I know he would get fourth quarter time, but I assumed Pop would have Parker, Manu, Bowen, TD + Big in the late fourth quarter of playoff games (assuming the other team isn't small ball). Or would Pop subsitute Maggette for Bowen? Wouldn't we need the defense?

Small ball dude. Small ball.

[bigdog]

They offered Williams and someone else a qualifying offer, right?

Yes, it was Fazekas

[TheMadHatter]

The thing is Mahinmi doesn't play the gritty physical style that requires NBA adjustment. He plays with finesse, rare bigman speed, his jumpshot, and knows how to get around without having to need to use his strength.

D-League competition is nothing compared to the NBA. Maybe he doesn't play physical, but the players defending him will and he'll have to adjust to that and the overall speed and flow of the game. If he was ready to play in the NBA he would have gotten minutes last season over Oberto/Elson.

[Marcus Bryant]

The Clippers could offer Brand a six year contract for $85 mil starting at $11.11 mil (same as Davis' offer) with a 10.5% max raise.

Would not the Clippers be far enough under the cap to be able to offer them both $11.1 mil starting salary contracts?

Clipper salary before QOs, draft pick, and minimum salary charges is $28.4 mil. I guess if the cap came in at $55 mil that would pose a bit of a problem. I would guess they would rescind their offers to Williams and Fazekas.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

D-League competition is nothing compared to the NBA. Maybe he doesn't play physical, but the players defending him will and he'll have to adjust to that and the overall speed and flow of the game.
Hence his bulking up.

If he was ready to play in the NBA he would have gotten minutes last season over Oberto/Elson.
He was developing in Austin. How many fuckin times must it be repeated?

[ChumpDumper]

D-League competition is nothing compared to the NBA. Maybe he doesn't play physical, but the players defending him will and he'll have to adjust to that and the overall speed and flow of the game.The NBA will have to adjust to his speed and flow.

[bigdog]

D-League competition is nothing compared to the NBA. Maybe he doesn't play physical, but the players defending him will and he'll have to adjust to that and the overall speed and flow of the game. If he was ready to play in the NBA he would have gotten minutes last season over Oberto/Elson.

No one said he was ready to play.

He wasn't ready, which is why he was in Austin DEVELOPING.

[remingtonbo2001]

I know he would get fourth quarter time, but I assumed Pop would have Parker, Manu, Bowen, TD + Big in the late fourth quarter of playoff games (assuming the other team isn't small ball). Or would Pop subsitute Maggette for Bowen? Wouldn't we need the defense?

Depends how Manu is playing that particular game.

It also is dependent upon matchups.

All in all, Maggette would definitely diversify our team.

[Marcus Bryant]

Their 1st rounder this year (#7) will have a salary of approx $2.1 mil. If the rescinded their offers to Williams and Fazekas then all that would be left to hit the cap would be the minimum salary charges, which would be another $2.4 mil (6 x $400k). That would leave them with $33 mil on their cap.

Maybe the cap won't increase that much for 2008-09?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

The NBA will have to adjust to his speed and flow.

:lol :tu

[angelbelow]

Hence his bulking up.

He was developing in Austin. How many fuckin times must it be repeated?

just let him sit and learn. hes an idiot.

[TheMadHatter]

Hence his bulking up.

He was developing in Austin. How many fuckin times must it be repeated?

Development in D-League != Development in NBA.

[rj215]

Depends how Manu is playing that particular game.

It also is dependent upon matchups.

All in all, Maggette would definitely diversify our team.

Reason's why Maggette should pick the Spurs over the Magic or Celts:

1. The Magic suck

2. The Celts are lucky Manu was hurt and they suck.

That is all.

[Marcus Bryant]

In any event, the Clippers won't be able to beat the Warriors' offer to Brand on a per season basis. The CBA wouldn't restrict the Clippers from offering a six year deal for $80 mil or so.

[lefty]

Man all those pages and Corey hasn't decided yet :lol

[hater]

LOL at the pathetic Lakerfan trolling

[ChumpDumper]

The salary cap will be announced July 8 and will be worth between $58.8 million and $60.5 million.

http://www.morningjournal.com/site/index.cfm?newsid=19817239&BRD=1699&PAG=461&dept_id=566374&rfi=8

[vy65]

What the Hell? Apparent the Celtics do not have a contract extended to Maggette

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view/2008_07_02_Celtics__Perkins__rookie_Walker_undergo _surgery/srvc=sports&position=recent

[ChumpDumper]

Development in D-League != Development in NBA.So you haven't ever seen him play.

!

[TheMadHatter]

No one said he was ready to play.

He wasn't ready, which is why he was in Austin DEVELOPING.


The thing is Mahinmi doesn't play the gritty physical style that requires NBA adjustment. He plays with finesse, rare bigman speed, his jumpshot, and knows how to get around without having to need to use his strength.


He's had those 1-2 years already.


What a coincidence. He's already had 1-2 years to develop.

[ChumpDumper]

What the Hell? Apparent the Celtics do not have a contract extended to Maggette

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view/2008_07_02_Celtics__Perkins__rookie_Walker_undergo _surgery/srvc=sports&position=recent

Not after Posey balked at his below MLE offer.

[ChumpDumper]

I never heard of Ian Mahinmi before today.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Development in D-League != Development in NBA.

That must be why the league created the D-League. To have them play so it can be useless once they get to the NBA.

[Marcus Bryant]

The salary cap will be announced July 8 and will be worth between $58.8 million and $60.5 million.

http://www.morningjournal.com/site/index.cfm?newsid=19817239&BRD=1699&PAG=461&dept_id=566374&rfi=8

Then the Clippers should be able to at least get in the ball-park of the Warriors' offer in terms of total guaranteed money.

Wait, assuming the cap is $59 mil, the Clips have $33 mil in cap room (including minimum salary roster charges), before signing Brand and Davis, and Davis signs for $11.1 mil, then the Clippers could offer Brand a six year, $115 mil contract starting at $15 mil in 2008-09, right?

[Marcus Bryant]

Not after Posey balked at his below MLE offer.

Nice.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

What the Hell? Apparent the Celtics do not have a contract extended to Maggette

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view/2008_07_02_Celtics__Perkins__rookie_Walker_undergo _surgery/srvc=sports&position=recent

Good.

[Bruno]

Clippers have 5 players under contract (Kaman, Mobley, Thomas Thornton and Knight) for $28M.
They have also some qualifying offer to Marcus Williams and Nick Fazekas but they can rescind and they can waive Josh Powell whose contract isn't guaranteed.
Add to that $2.2M for Eric Gordon rights, $11.1M for baron Davis and $2.2M for 5 cap holds.
Clippers total salary against eh cap is $43.5M.
NBPA estimate the salary cap at $58.5M for 2008-2009.
So Clippers could offer a starting salary of $15M. It could be slightly less if they give Gordon 120% of the rookie scale.

Clippers could offer brand a $113M/6 years contract.

[Marcus Bryant]

Of course, the Clippers could offer 5 years and $90 mil themselves, unless Brand would want that 6th year.

[bigdog]

What the Hell? Apparent the Celtics do not have a contract extended to Maggette

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view/2008_07_02_Celtics__Perkins__rookie_Walker_undergo _surgery/srvc=sports&position=recent

So, Posey is their priority. :toast

It's likely he bitched about his offer, and this could take the C's out of the Maggette sweepstakes.

[Marcus Bryant]

Clippers have 5 players under contract (Kaman, Mobley, Thomas Thornton and Knight) for $28M.
They have also some qualifying offer to Marcus Williams and Nick Fazekas but they can rescind and they can waive Josh Powell whose contract isn't guaranteed.
Add to that $2.2M for Eric Gordon rights, $11.1M for baron Davis and $2.2M for 5 cap holds.
Clippers total salary against eh cap is $43.5M.
NBPA estimate the salary cap at $58.5M for 2008-2009.
So Clippers could offer a starting salary of $15M. It could be slightly less if they give Gordon 120% of the rookie scale.

Clippers could offer brand a $113M/6 years contract.

Thanks!

There we have it. The Clippers can't be outbid significantly, if at all, by the Warriors for Brand's services.

:toast

[Bruno]

And Clippers don't really need Spurs to take some salary from their hands.

[Marcus Bryant]

And Clippers don't really need Spurs to take some salary from their hands.

Right. The only thing left to be seen is if the Warriors use their cap space to go after some lesser name free agents with large contracts.

[ChumpDumper]

And Clippers don't really need Spurs to take some salary from their hands.Yeah, Philly might do that -- but the only guy I can see their getting rid of would be Cal Booth.

[FromWayDowntown]

Thanks!

There we have it. The Clippers can't be outbid significantly, if at all, by the Warriors for Brand's services.

:toast

Again, assuming that Brand would Boozer the Clips and go running off to Golden State.

I suppose I take Elton at the representation of his word and his commitment to the Clippers, and thus don't think the Golden State offer is anything that is likely to make a difference in terms of where Brand ultimately ends up.

[Marcus Bryant]

Again, assuming that Brand would Boozer the Clips and go running off to Golden State.

I suppose I take Elton at the representation of his word and his commitment to the Clippers, and thus don't think the Golden State offer is anything that is likely to make a difference in terms of where Brand ultimately ends up.

Does Davis sign with the Clippers if Brand reached an agreement with GS? Probably not.

The Warriors' offer to Brand is a face saving attempt. Maybe there is the off chance that he'd want to play there. Still, the front office needs to show that they are doing something. They went after Arenas on Day 1. The concern from the Spurs' perspective is that they then use their cap flexibility to make an offer to other free agents, such as Maggette. For whatever reason, they seem to be somewhat choosy in who they give large contracts to these days.

But the Spurs' chances for Maggette are much better with a couple teams out there with large amounts of cap room rather than any team in the NBA able to potentially work out a S&T for him.

[Bartleby]

The concern from the Spurs' perspective is that they then use their cap flexibility to make an offer to other free agents, such as Maggette. For whatever reason, they seem to be somewhat choosy in who they give large contracts to these days.

That's my biggest worry right now. If Brand and Arenas turn them down, they would be crazy not to offer at least a couple more million than the MLE to Maggette, wouldn't they?

[Kindergarten Cop]

That's my biggest worry right now. If Brand and Arenas turn them down, they would be crazy not to offer at least a couple more than the MLE to Maggette, wouldn't they?

I would think that it would have to be considerably more than the MLE, because it is obvious that Golden State is nowhere near returning to the playoffs now.

[Bruno]

Yeah, Philly might do that -- but the only guy I can see their getting rid of would be Cal Booth.

Yep, some teams should also face the luxury tax. Spurs could do a similar trade to the one they did with Minny for Beno except that they will be on the other end this time.

[angelbelow]

posey should be their priority, hes a better fit. talented, unselfish, hard nose D, clutch, and team chemistry.

[timvp]

Nice work on figuring out the Clippers can match the salary for Brand if they so wish. I think that ends any possible chance of Brand leaving LA.

The Warriors have been quickly going from player to player throwing around their newfound money. After Brand turns them down, who's next? Hopefully not Maggette. Ben Gordon, Josh Childress or maybe even JR Smith could make sense for them. Making a trade (perhaps for someone like Zach Randolph?) would also make sense.

We should hear within the next day or so whether Maggette is the next target. If he is, we'll see if Maggette will go for the money or he's actually serious about wanting to win.

[lefty]

Maggette is not coming

Stop dreaming

Forget it

[ChumpDumper]

That's my biggest worry right now. If Brand and Arenas turn them down, they would be crazy not to offer at least a couple more million than the MLE to Maggette, wouldn't they?They have to sign their own free agents -- after that, a big offer to Maggette would severely limit any hope they might have of replacing a franchise player for at least one season. they have way too many options with that cap space to immediately decide Maggette will be their only real FA signing this summer.

[timvp]

posey should be their priority, hes a better fit. talented, unselfish, hard nose D, clutch, and team chemistry.I'm a big Posey fan but the Spurs need someone to carry the offensive load. The Big Three can't be expected to carry the offensive load for a full 82 games and the playoffs anymore. Especially in a year when Ginobili is coming off of the Olympics.

[completely deck]

Maggette is not coming

Stop dreaming

Forget it

k whatever you say, no name poster

[ChumpDumper]

Maggette is not coming

Stop dreaming

Forget itMaybe.

No.

No.

[FromWayDowntown]

Does Davis sign with the Clippers if Brand reached an agreement with GS? Probably not.

I think not. I tend to believe that the Brand-Davis combination was pre-ordained and that Baron wouldn't have opted out but for the assurance that he and Elton would partner in LA for the next few years. As such, I don't put a lot of stock in idea that Brand is likely to take marginally more money (if at all) from Golden State.


The Warriors' offer to Brand is a face saving attempt. Maybe there is the off chance that he'd want to play there. Still, the front office needs to show that they are doing something. They went after Arenas on Day 1.

The Warriors knew they weren't getting Baron back. They're unlikely to be much more than an interesting sideshow for the 2008-09 season, because I don't think there's any chance that they'll be in the mix for a playoff spot without Davis. Couple his loss with the apparent improvement of the Clippers club and the likely resurgence of the Blazers, and it seems to be only a remote possibility that GST will compete for anything other than a middling lottery pick in the coming season (and probably for a few years to come).


The concern from the Spurs' perspective is that they then use their cap flexibility to make an offer to other free agents, such as Maggette. For whatever reason, they seem to be somewhat choosy in who they give large contracts to these days.

Obviously, the more suitors who are on the market with bigger money to flash at Maggette, the dicier the proposition gets in South Texas. Still, at this point, the Spurs chances of obtaining Maggette's services would seem far greater now than they were when the week started. I think that's true irrespective of the fact that another team has some sizeable chunk of cap space to use in courting free agents.

Besides, if Brand rebuffs the Warriors, wouldn't it seem more likely that their first move would be to try to entice a Josh Smith sort before making a run at a more mid-level guy like Maggette, who will be somewhat redundant in their program? Just thinking aloud.


But the Spurs' chances for Maggette are much better with a couple teams out there with large amounts of cap room rather than any team in the NBA able to potentially work out a S&T for him.

Agreed.

[bigdog]

k whatever you say, no name poster

lefty's been here longer than you.

[lefty]

Maybe.

No.

No.

I'm just trying to reverse the jinx.

That way, we'll get him :p:

[lefty]

lefty's been here longer than you.

Thanks :toast

[Obstructed_View]

Stephon Marbury to GS.

[bigdog]

Thanks :toast

No problem :toast

[bigdog]

Stephon Marbury to GS.

their need is at PG, especially after Davis left, so I could see this happening, although they might not want to take on a big contract. The Warriors seem to only want to pay big money to certain people, and Davis was obviously not one of them, so there's no guarantee they'd want to pay Marbury either. It will likely cost them a few of their young guys to get Marbury, and they need their young guys.

[Darkwaters]

I'm a big Posey fan but the Spurs need someone to carry the offensive load. The Big Three can't be expected to carry the offensive load for a full 82 games and the playoffs anymore. Especially in a year when Ginobili is coming off of the Olympics.

Exactly, we needed a prolific scorer more than anything. But especially a prolific, athletic wing scorer. Maggette does all that + rebounds. He would be perfect.

[Marcus Bryant]

Besides, if Brand rebuffs the Warriors, wouldn't it seem more likely that their first move would be to try to entice a Josh Smith sort before making a run at a more mid-level guy like Maggette, who will be somewhat redundant in their program? Just thinking aloud.

Very true. I guess the problem would be that either they or the Sixers would lose out on Smith. Of course, the Sixers could always go after one of the Warriors' free agents if they lost Smith to them.

[Walton Buys Off Me]

Spurs need a wing player they can depend on for 82 games plus the playoffs. I'm all for getting Maggette, but I think Mikael Pietrus would be a better fit and might come cheaper.

[angelbelow]

I'm a big Posey fan but the Spurs need someone to carry the offensive load. The Big Three can't be expected to carry the offensive load for a full 82 games and the playoffs anymore. Especially in a year when Ginobili is coming off of the Olympics.

oops sorry, i meant priority for the celtics.

[ChumpDumper]

Spurs need a wing player they can depend on for 82 games plus the playoffs. I'm all for getting Maggette, but I think Mikael Pietrus would be a better fit and might come cheaper.Pietrus never played a full season. For the same money there is simply no comparison.

[DPG21920]

Marcus, what did you mean help the clips with our exception? How could we help them and how would it help us get Corey. He is off their hands is he not?

[Walton Buys Off Me]

Pietrus never played a full season.

Neither has Maggette.

Pietrus plays lock down defense and can hit the three. Plus he's a buddy of Parker's. I'm not saying he's a savior but I see Pietrus instantly gelling with the Spurs whereas Maggette is a risk. On the surface, he can score, what else can he do? Can he fit with his teammates? Would he have a problem deferring to other players in crunch time? Would he be ok with taking less shots per game? Maggette has always seemed like a head case to me.

[td4mvp21]

The Spurs get a role player and more than legitimate fourth scorer in Maggette. He could actually be a team's first or second scorer by the numbers he averages. I don't know how some of you can want Posey over him. Or even Pietrus, that made me LOL.

[Marcus Bryant]

Pietrus is probably Plan B or C.

[oligarchy]

... and it seems to be only a remote possibility that GST will compete for anything other than a middling lottery pick in the coming season (and probably for a few years to come).
That 2nd round pick we picked up from the Suns for Dragic might be pretty early, but the draft is weak so it might be moot.

[Kori Ellis]

Neither has Maggette.

Pietrus plays lock down defense and can hit the three. Plus he's a buddy of Parker's. I'm not saying he's a savior but I see Pietrus instantly gelling with the Spurs whereas Maggette is a risk. On the surface, he can score, what else can he do? Can he fit with his teammates? Would he have a problem deferring to other players in crunch time? Would he be ok with taking less shots per game? Maggette has always seemed like a head case to me.

Rebound.
Get to the line more than Tony & Manu combined.
Miss 10-20 games a year with injury. :lol

Oh... and as I side note, I think Pietrus is too dumb to be a Spur. But that's just me.

[DPG21920]

Marcus..did you read my question?

[ChumpDumper]

Neither has Maggette.Exactly.


Pietrus plays lock down defense and can hit the three. Plus he's a buddy of Parker's. I'm not saying he's a savior but I see Pietrus instantly gelling with the Spurs whereas Maggette is a risk. On the surface, he can score, what else can he do? Can he fit with his teammates? Would he have a problem deferring to other players in crunch time? Would he be ok with taking less shots per game? Maggette has always seemed like a head case to me.I never thought I would see the day WBoM would be pimping the signing of a scrub over a guy coming off a season averaging 22 points and 6 rebounds.

You feeling ok?

[Marcus Bryant]

Marcus..did you read my question?

Yes.

[Spurs Brazil]

I just saw Ludden new article. He's in NY with team USA

We'll have to wait McDonalds to have some news :bang:bang:bang

[CaptainLate]

Reason's why Maggette should pick the Spurs over the Magic or Celts:

1. The Magic suck

2. The Celts are lucky Manu was hurt and they suck.

That is all.

With Maggette, I'd love to meet and sweep the Celts in the 2009 Finals to show their title was a fluke.

[Walton Buys Off Me]

Oh... and as I side note, I think Pietrus is too dumb to be a Spur. But that's just me.

Noted but Corey Maggette never struck me as the John Stockton of the Clippers.

To be honest, I'm not excited about Maggette. Free agents have never really enjoyed much success in San Antonio. I think our system is demanding and team culture is far different than the country club mentality enjoyed by many other squads. Michel Finley made it work because he's about as professional as it gets.

Maggette worries me but we do need a starting shooting guard that is committed to winning NBA championships and not Olympic gold medals and can handle 35 minutes per game so if we get him, I'll be cautiously optmistic.

[peacemaker885]

Nice work on figuring out the Clippers can match the salary for Brand if they so wish. I think that ends any possible chance of Brand leaving LA.

The Warriors have been quickly going from player to player throwing around their newfound money. After Brand turns them down, who's next? Hopefully not Maggette.
.

No! Would Nellie do that to Pop?

[Marcus Bryant]

No! Would Nellie do that to Pop?

Sure. This is business, not the grape.

[Kori Ellis]

... I'll be cautiously optmistic.

Me too.

[DPG21920]

Thanks for the answer

[T Park]

Rebound.
Get to the line more than Tony & Manu combined.
Miss 10-20 games a year with injury. :lol

Oh... and as I side note, I think Pietrus is too dumb to be a Spur. But that's just me.

Yeah Pietrus makes Nazr Mohammed look like a rhodes scholar.

[HarlemHeat37]

what is wrong with some of you? this guy is BY FAR the best signing we could get for that type of money..

in case you haven't noticed, the MAIN problem with the Spurs(ignoring injuries) is the inability to score and to go through scoring droughts..Maggette is a 20 point scorer..not only that, but he gives us a new dimension..we need a slasher, we rely on 3's too much as it is..this guy would thrive feeding off Timmy in the post..

there's no issue with attitude or ego..there's no issue with chemistry..

there's no way a team with Duncan, Parker, Manu and Maggette goes through scoring droughts, and that's our only flaw..

[Obstructed_View]

Maggette eats up more FGA per game than Manu, and less than one fewer than Timmy. I agree with WBOM. Maggette's got lots of talent, but I don't just trust that he's going to be good for chemistry and make the Spurs into a 70 win juggernaut.

I also have a feeling that he knows that he's the best player the Spurs can get for the money, which is why he'll end up going somewhere else for more of it.

[Marcus Bryant]

Thanks for the answer

Helping with the trade exception meant helping the Clippers reduce their cap figure in order to be able to make a larger offer to Davis and/or Brand.

[Marcus Bryant]

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth, or whatever.

[SPURSGOAT]

what is wrong with some of you? this guy is BY FAR the best signing we could get for that type of money..

in case you haven't noticed, the MAIN problem with the Spurs(ignoring injuries) is the inability to score and to go through scoring droughts..Maggette is a 20 point scorer..not only that, but he gives us a new dimension..we need a slasher, we rely on 3's too much as it is..this guy would thrive feeding off Timmy in the post..

there's no issue with attitude or ego..there's no issue with chemistry..

there's no way a team with Duncan, Parker, Manu and Maggette goes through scoring droughts, and that's our only flaw..

I am all for getting Maggette... I just think come Monday we will still have no decision from Maggette and Pietrus and JR Smith will be off the board....:bang

[FromWayDowntown]

I think the positives for Maggette outweigh some of the negatives that have understandably been mentioned.

I may have missed it, but I don't recall Maggette having been a particularly bad guy in the room or having done anything embarassing off the court. He has that Duke pedigree, even if only for a year, and has played for a relatively demanding coach in Dunleavy -- it would be virtually impossible to simulate the Popovich hard line, of course, but there are signs that the kid responds to good coaches.

I think the injury thing is a problem, but I'd be interested in finding out the nature of the injuries he's sustained over the years before deciding that he's just simply unable to play more than 70 games and is iffy to be ready for a playoff run.

I see an inherent upside to Maggette's experience -- an upside that outstrips Pietrus, Azubuike, or Smith -- in that the Spurs are trying to win now and don't need too many guys who are still trying to learn how to play in the league. Maggette has the respect of officials, he's 9 years in, and he's played relatively well in a number of systems. I somehow find all of that to be more reassuring than troubling in thinking about Maggette as a Spur.

The thing that kills me is that even having missed a relatively high number of games in each of the last few years, Maggette has finished those seasons in the top 10 in FTA:

2003-04 -- 73 games, 620 FTA (3rd in NBA)
2004-05 -- 66 games, 657 FTA (8th in NBA)
2006-07 -- 75 games, 633 FTA (6th in NBA)
2007-08 -- 70 games, 681 FTA (6th in NBA)

Those are remarkable numbers if you stop to think about it. He's also done that without playing some ridiculous number of MPG in those seasons (36.0 in 03-04; 36.9 in 04-05; 30.5 in 06-07; and 35.7 in 07-08). I know his ability to get to the line has been discussed over and over in this thread, but the extent to which those numbers illustrate his ability to do that is pretty astounding. If you think about it, there's a decent chance that even playing the reduced minutes that the Spurs might impose upon him, Maggette could be among the top 10 in the league in FTA. The Spurs haven't had that since 03-04.

[Obstructed_View]

If you think about it, there's a decent chance that even playing the reduced minutes that the Spurs might impose upon him, Maggette could be among the top 10 in the league in FTA. The Spurs haven't had that since 03-04.

It would also be an interesting test of the "Spurs get no respect from the refs" theory, whether or not Maggette's FTA goes way down when he puts on a silver and black uni.

[completely deck]

lefty's been here longer than you.

oh cool regdates. whats next

[DPG21920]

How would the Spurs give them the exception though? Also, if Maggette is already a UFA with and they hold no rights it does not matter. Unless you are saying that another team will offer more to one or both of Baron and Brand. I guess none of this matters if Elton and Baron do not sign with LA...

[Brutalis]

I think the positives for Maggette outweigh some of the negatives that have understandably been mentioned.

I may have missed it, but I don't recall Maggette having been a particularly bad guy in the room or having done anything embarassing off the court. He has that Duke pedigree, even if only for a year, and has played for a relatively demanding coach in Dunleavy -- it would be virtually impossible to simulate the Popovich hard line, of course, but there are signs that the kid responds to good coaches.

I think the injury thing is a problem, but I'd be interested in finding out the nature of the injuries he's sustained over the years before deciding that he's just simply unable to play more than 70 games and is iffy to be ready for a playoff run.

I see an inherent upside to Maggette's experience -- an upside that outstrips Pietrus, Azubuike, or Smith -- in that the Spurs are trying to win now and don't need too many guys who are still trying to learn how to play in the league. Maggette has the respect of officials, he's 9 years in, and he's played relatively well in a number of systems. I somehow find all of that to be more reassuring than troubling in thinking about Maggette as a Spur.

The thing that kills me is that even having missed a relatively high number of games in each of the last few years, Maggette has finished those seasons in the top 10 in FTA:

2003-04 -- 73 games, 620 FTA (3rd in NBA)
2004-05 -- 66 games, 657 FTA (8th in NBA)
2006-07 -- 75 games, 633 FTA (6th in NBA)
2007-08 -- 70 games, 681 FTA (6th in NBA)

Those are remarkable numbers if you stop to think about it. He's also done that without playing some ridiculous number of MPG in those seasons (36.0 in 03-04; 36.9 in 04-05; 30.5 in 06-07; and 35.7 in 07-08). I know his ability to get to the line has been discussed over and over in this thread, but the extent to which those numbers illustrate his ability to do that is pretty astounding. If you think about it, there's a decent chance that even playing the reduced minutes that the Spurs might impose upon him, Maggette could be among the top 10 in the league in FTA. The Spurs haven't had that since 03-04.

He is injury prone and that's what scares me the most.

[xtremesteven33]

He is injury prone and that's what scares me the most.



hes worth the risk

[FromWayDowntown]

He is injury prone and that's what scares me the most.

It's there, but what were his injuries?

Derek Anderson was injury prone, came to San Antonio and played an injury-free regular season before getting bodyslammed by Juwan Howard and suffering an injury that almost nobody would have been able to play through.

At that, he's played in 75 and 70 games the last two regular seasons. Manu has played in 75 and 74 games in those seasons.

[Marcus Bryant]

How would the Spurs give them the exception though? Also, if Maggette is already a UFA with and they hold no rights it does not matter. Unless you are saying that another team will offer more to one or both of Baron and Brand. I guess none of this matters if Elton and Baron do not sign with LA...

The Spurs would use their trade exception to take back a contract without sending one in return.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I am all for getting Maggette... I just think come Monday we will still have no decision from Maggette and Pietrus and JR Smith will be off the board....:bang

This is the most likely outcome in my opinion. We will be on the hook long enough for Maggette to take the most money all the while every other FA the Spurs could use will be signed by our main rivals.

[Marcus Bryant]

I'm sure the Spurs will give Maggette a timeframe for a decision after they make their offer. Who knows? Maybe he won't want to wait on GS, Philly, or Memphis if they aren't willing to commit now.

[rj215]

I'm sure the Spurs will give Maggette a timeframe for a decision after they make their offer. Who knows? Maybe he won't want to wait on GS, Philly, or Memphis if they aren't willing to commit now.

Maggette + Barry + Thomas - Finley - Horry - Stoudamire = Great Offseason!

[HarlemHeat37]

I agree with those saying it's still a stretch to get Mags, even though we're the "front runner"..probably due to past heartbreaks..

a lot of you are selling our team short though..Tim Duncan is one of the most respected player in the NBA by his peers..Pop is one of the best motivators in the NBA and the best coach in the NBA IMO..chemistry isn't an issue with this team..Maggette isn't a cancer either way, but he knows what he's getting himself into if he signs with the Spurs..

it seems as if a lot of you forget about your own team..

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth, or whatever.

:lol

[Marcus Bryant]

The Spurs have tried for a long time to trade for Maggette. It appears that they went to him first in free agency. Who knows? Players like to have their ass kissed. Yes, $$$ is always a major consideration, but other things are important to players. Baron Davis will be signing for a starting salary with the Clippers that is $6 mil less than what he was slated to receive in the final year of his last contract (which he opted out of). Had he played out that final year with the Warriors he would have positioned himself to get more than 5 years, $65 mil.

Come to SA, you'll likely be in the starting lineup, have an opportunity to get a lot of minutes, and then in 2010 we'll take care of you long term. We also will give you the option to test a much better free agent market in 2010.

[DPG21920]

Isn't it possible that the Spurs offer Maggette the full MLE only for the first year with a raise for the following years? I think that is the route they are going to take in the contract offer. Next year he makes 5.8 mil, then the year after bump up to 8 or so...

The only thing is, these threads are eerily reminding me of the draft enthusiasm and as we all know the Spurs went the opposite way of what we all thought even with guys on the board whom we thought they would take...

[Marcus Bryant]

Isn't it possible that the Spurs offer Maggette the full MLE only for the first year with a raise for the following years? I think that is the route they are going to take in the contract offer. Next year he makes 5.8 mil, then the year after bump up to 8 or so...

The only thing is, these threads are eerily reminding me of the draft enthusiasm and as we all know the Spurs went the opposite way of what we all thought even with guys on the board whom we thought they would take...

Can't do that under the cap.

What the Spurs can do is sign Maggette to a 3 year MLE deal with a player option after the 2nd year, which would fall in the summer of 2010. Then the Spurs would have the cap room to give him such a raise (and a long term deal).

If Maggette takes a MLE deal, it will be a short-term deal.

[waly.mg]

i WANT MAGGETTE

If This sign means more than MLE or a little more too

This time we must to spend a little more for a great player, who can help a lot when the team need rest to remain healthy

He can score and Help the Second Unit too, when TD is in the bench

[GrandeDavid]

If the Spurs land Magette, the Spurs are the favorites in the West, if not the entire, league, again. I don't care if Bynum is coming back, especially if Ian can make decent contributions off the bench. Then you've got Udoka with a year's experience, its an odd year and the Spurs always play better as dogs.

I'd say the Spurs would be an extremely tough out come next year's playoffs.

[GrandeDavid]

Noted but Corey Maggette never struck me as the John Stockton of the Clippers.

To be honest, I'm not excited about Maggette. Free agents have never really enjoyed much success in San Antonio. I think our system is demanding and team culture is far different than the country club mentality enjoyed by many other squads. Michel Finley made it work because he's about as professional as it gets.

Maggette worries me but we do need a starting shooting guard that is committed to winning NBA championships and not Olympic gold medals and can handle 35 minutes per game so if we get him, I'll be cautiously optmistic.

I would be very optimistic because I figure that word gets around the league about different team cultures and Magette has been in the league for, what, 8 years? Obviously he's heard about the Spurs' demanding culture, and I'm confident the Spurs' staff knows the good and bad about Magette and feel the good tips the scale. All in all, I think Magette knows what he'd be committing to do.

[Spurtacus]

There are too many teams with more money than us interested in Maggette. The more the time goes by, the less likely he will be a Spur....

[Big P]

On Sportscenter, Chris Broussard said that Maggette will take his time & see what happens with Philly''s offer for Josh Smith..he said Maggette is Phillys second choice & could make him a more lucrative deal than the MLE.....if thats true about Maggs being their second option, there could be some problems.

[Brutalis]

Woo wee Maggz is playing our fiddle again! x2

[Obstructed_View]

On Sportscenter, Chris Broussard said that Maggette will take his time...


Then that means he's out. I don't see any scenario where the Spurs wait for him.

[montgod]

I am all for getting Maggette... I just think come Monday we will still have no decision from Maggette and Pietrus and JR Smith will be off the board....:bang

Well, that could be true. But the same could be said if we were to sign JR Smith as well since he is a RFA. The Spurs could give him an offer, he accept, then the Nuggets take the full allotted time to make a decision (which is like 4 - 5 days), then decide to match. What do you think the Spurs end up with if they wait that long?

At least with Maggette, he is a UFA and can make a decision whenever he wants. Hopefully, with Pop being in California, he can guage whether or not Maggette is seriously considering the Spurs or just using us to up his price so we can move on or wait.

[2centsworth]

On Sportscenter, Chris Broussard said that Maggette will take his time & see what happens with Philly''s offer for Josh Smith..he said Maggette is Phillys second choice & could make him a more lucrative deal than the MLE.....if thats true about Maggs being their second option, there could be some problems.

spurs out of the equation. On to JR Smith.

[montgod]

On Sportscenter, Chris Broussard said that Maggette will take his time & see what happens with Philly''s offer for Josh Smith..he said Maggette is Phillys second choice & could make him a more lucrative deal than the MLE.....if thats true about Maggs being their second option, there could be some problems.

In that case, if this is true, I think Pop moves on. It doesn't sound like he is serious and is more interested in the money than anything else. It's understandable, but the Spurs have to make sure they address their needs and aren't left standing at the alter with nothing.

[Big P]

Pietrus, I'm guessing

[Avitus1]

Gotta keep my fingers crossed...

[T Park]

Chris Broussard is a tool.

Don't rely on him.

[T Park]

Another thing good about Corey?

Potential Dirk stopper :)

[montgod]

Another thing good about Corey?

Potential Dirk stopper :)

How is that? Dirk is 6'11 - 7' and Corey is 6'6??

[xtremesteven33]

Another thing good about Corey?

Potential Dirk stopper :)

:nope

[Spur-Addict]

Maggette eats up more FGA per game than Manu, and less than one fewer than Timmy. I agree with WBOM. Maggette's got lots of talent, but I don't just trust that he's going to be good for chemistry and make the Spurs into a 70 win juggernaut.

I also have a feeling that he knows that he's the best player the Spurs can get for the money, which is why he'll end up going somewhere else for more of it.

Fuck 70, just get a ring. At least that's my view. :lobt2:

[T Park]

How is that? Dirk is 6'11 - 7' and Corey is 6'6??

Dirk is bothered by beefy long small forwards.

Which Corey is...

Come on people...

[T Park]

:nope


Nope how?

[Marcus Bryant]

Just what the Spurs need; drop out early, use up their MLE on lesser players, see Atlanta pass on matching the Sixers' offer to Smith, and then Maggette sign with someone else for the MLE.

[Mr. Body]

On Sportscenter, Chris Broussard said that Maggette will take his time & see what happens with Philly''s offer for Josh Smith..he said Maggette is Phillys second choice & could make him a more lucrative deal than the MLE.....if thats true about Maggs being their second option, there could be some problems.

It's over, then.

[T Park]

It's over, then.

as much as that would make you happy, to be a fucking depressed fuck as always.

[T Park]

Just what the Spurs need; drop out early, use up their MLE on lesser players, see Atlanta pass on matching the Sixers' offer to Smith, and then Maggette sign with someone else for the MLE.

Didn't that happen with another Spurs player before....

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's over, then.

WTF? Its the second day that FA can visit with teams and JSmith is in Philly as we speak.

The Spurs do stupid things but its not like theyre morons and I am sure they are keeping their options open with guys like Hayes and Childress in case this all falls through.

[Sigz]

fuck

[bigdog]

On Sportscenter, Chris Broussard said that Maggette will take his time & see what happens with Philly''s offer for Josh Smith..he said Maggette is Phillys second choice & could make him a more lucrative deal than the MLE.....if thats true about Maggs being their second option, there could be some problems.


Actually, I think Broussard said he "thinks" Maggette might wait to see what Philly does.

[Magic_Johnson]

Another thing good about Corey?

Potential Dirk stopper :)

Tony is our Dirk stopper

[Marcus Bryant]

Actually, I think Broussard said he "thinks" Maggette might wait to see what Philly does.

Well, there you go.

[SPURSGOAT]

For all we know... the spurs might have already moved on to JR or someone else and it just has not been reported yet... guess we will see hopefully in the next 12-24 hours...

[T Park]

Tony is our Dirk stopper

:lol

While as cool as that one game was, I'd rather not rely on that time after time.

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm not going to abandon all hope just because of Chris Broussard's conjecture. He might be right, but I'm frankly not sure that Broussard is as closely tuned to the NBA scene as some of ESPN's other analysts.

[exstatic]

exstatic - IIRC, weren't "Animal" Bannister and Tyrone Nesby Clippers when the Spurs made their offers?

(Warning: This is a Google-Free post)

Nesby was. I don't remember Bannister. I guess we're 0-3.

Since you provide so much info to the forum, the Google-free-ness is forgiven...this time. :lol I also think you already knew the answer, so that gets a pass, too.

[Budkin]

Chris Broussard is a tool.

Don't rely on him.

Agreed... he's one of the worst and most wrong analysts at ESPN.

[T Park]

I'm not going to abandon all hope just because of Chris Broussard's conjecture. He might be right, but I'm frankly not sure that Broussard is as closely tuned to the NBA scene as some of ESPN's other analysts.

I've honestly YET to hear Broussard be right on anything.

After hearing what he said, its almost like hes "predicting" whats gonna happen, not whats really happening.


If what someone in this thread said was true and that Pop has flown out here to San Diego to see him, then that makes me feel even more confident, cause IMO, when Pop goes all out for a player, that player usually comes.

[Soul_Patch]

Don Harris just quoted Magette as saying something along the lines of "this time its not about money, ive been in the league for 9 years, and im tired of losing. Im ready to start winning!"


Good sign for SA's chances i think....based on if that is a real quote or not...

[montgod]

Dirk is bothered by beefy long small forwards.

Which Corey is...

Come on people...

I would have thought my measurements would have said enough.

To put it clearly, Maggette is too short and small to guard Dirk.