Chris Broussard doesnt think Maggette should go to Spurs

[xtremesteven33]

The Clippers' other free agent

While everyone's talking about Elton Brand -- and rightly so -- the free agent who could sway the balance of power in the Western Conference is Corey Maggette.

It could be awhile before Maggette chooses his destination because he's waiting to see what happens in Philadelphia and Golden State, the only two big spenders beneath the salary cap. If either of those two clubs doesn't get its top targets, they could turn to Maggette and offer him more than the mid-level exception of roughly $6 million per year.

If Maggette, who was set to make $7 million next season before opting out of his contract, doesn't end up with the Sixers or Warriors, his landing spot will be of major significance out West.

San Antonio, New Orleans and Utah are all interested in Maggette. And in the East, Orlando, Boston and Cleveland have expressed interest.

I'll deal with those Eastern scenarios later, but first the really intriguing stuff -- the West.

If one of those three Western powers adds Maggette, it probably positions itself as the Lakers' No. 1 obstacle next May.

Imagine Maggette in San Antonio. We all saw how the Spurs struggled to score vs. L.A. Well, adding Maggette would solve that problem. It would also give San Antonio a much needed boost in athleticism. He's not much of a defender, but he'd get a lot better on that end playing in San Antonio's system.

If I'm Maggette, though, the Spurs would not be my top choice. He would be the fourth option and there could be crucial stretches when he'd find himself on the bench while Popovich opts for Bruce Bowen's defense. It's not a bad fit, but I think there are better.

In Utah, Maggette would slide in next to Deron Williams and immediately solve the Jazz's "lack of athleticism" issue. With Andrei Kirilenko's decline, the Jazz can't become a true contender with weak scorers at both the 2 and 3 spots.

While Ronnie Brewer did an admirable job at shooting guard last season, moving him to the bench would drastically improve the Jazz's depth. And adding a slasher like Maggette to a club that features the outside shooting of Mehmet Okur and Kyle Korver would be a great extra weapon.

Maggette would seem to play a larger role in Utah than he would in San Antonio, but after spending the last eight seasons in La-La, from a social standpoint, Salt Lake City would be a huge drop-off.

Which leads us to New Orleans. This seems like the perfect fit for Maggette. The Hornets need a starting caliber two-guard in the worst way, and Maggette clearly fits the bill.

Imagine the offensive firepower of Chris Paul, Maggette, Peja Stojakovic and David West. And Maggette couldn't ask for a better point guard to play with than Paul.

Plus, Maggette would be part of something grand, new and fresh in New Orleans. In San Antonio, where they've already won four titles in the last nine years, he'd be just the latest role player (Horry, Finley, Mohammed, etc. …) flown in to aid the big boys in another championship run.

And in Utah, well, he'd be in Utah.

But in New Orleans, he could be a key cog in helping this franchise challenge for a Western Conference title -- and maybe more. If he goes to the Hornets and they win the West, he'd be viewed as the difference. And he'll still be able to get his 17 points a game there.

That's not to mention the role he could play in helping re-energize a city in need.

I'm always looking for a new young team to reach elite status, so I'd like to see Maggette in New Orleans. In the West, Utah would be my second choice for him.

Turning to the East, I don't think Boston's the place for him. He'd come off the bench behind Paul Pierce and Ray Allen, and he's probably not even their first choice: James Posey is.

Cleveland? He'd probably make them better, but I don't think he gets them to Title Town. And the Cavs have to be careful not to dole out long-term deals that don't make them a perennial championship contender.

If Maggette goes East, he should go to Orlando. It's a similar situation to New Orleans, where the addition of Maggette would take a young, improving team to the next level.

The Magic already have one of the most offensively-productive frontlines in the league in Dwight Howard, Hedo Turkoglu and Rashard Lewis. But they are woefully deficient in the backcourt, especially at two guard.

Maggette's presence might move them ahead of everyone in the East except Boston.

So if I'm Maggette, and I have to settle for mid-level money, I'm settling in New Orleans or Orlando.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3472314&name=broussard_chris

[coopdogg3]

I think Maggette would lose minutes to Bowens D this year, but the next 4 years I see Maggette getting all those minutes.

[lefty]

Broussard is afraid Spurs would kick asses again if we get Maggette

[tp2021]

Fuck Chris Blowhard

[coopdogg3]

Broussard is afraid Spurs would kick asses again if we get Maggette

As he should be.

[Walton Buys Off Me]

Chris Broussard commands about as much respect as a dead hooker.

[Steve-O-Matic]

You may not like it, but he made some very true points.

[lefty]

Chris Broussard commands about as much respect as a dead hooker.

Hey ! I respect dead hookers !

[sammy]

What a dumbass! :bang Of course Broussard doesn't want the Spurs the get Maggette as it would give us Championship 5! :lobt2:

[xtremesteven33]

he does make sense

[coopdogg3]

You may not like it, but he made some very true points.

Kinda, but the Spurs are searching for a Bowen replacement. To argue that Bowen is gonna take his minutes is short-sighted. Give a year for Maggette to learn the system, and then after that - Maggette will be getting a lot of PT.

[xtremesteven33]

Kinda, but the Spurs are searching for a Bowen replacement. To argue that Bowen is gonna take his minutes is short-sighted. Give a year for Maggette to learn the system, and then after that - Maggette will be getting a lot of PT.



also add the fact that Manu minutes will be down bigtime if he decides to play in the olympics this year.

im looking at manu playing 25-30 minutes a game MAX, if he plays in the olympics

[WildcardManu]

Pointless and dumb.

[montgod]

I actually had the same thoughts regarding Maggette going to NO, but I just don't think there are enough shots for Maggette if he were to go there. Sooner or later, I think there would be some issues with who was or wasn't getting the ball enough.

And yeah, there might be some times where he takes the bench while Bowen is in, but I don't see that being a significant issue. Remember, CM was known to play excellent defense on Kobe. Whose to say his defense can't get better on this team? Not to mention, the offense he will provide will easily help him on defense cause the player defending him will be exhausted.

It goes both ways and either way, he would be a more significant player on the Spurs then he would with NO where he would be just another guy who wants to score.

[FromWayDowntown]

Let me get this straight -- Maggette would be the 4th option in SA, so he should go to Orlando (where he's likely to be a 3rd option at best) or NO (where he could very easily end up a 4th option as well behind Paul, West, and Peja)? Makes perfect sense to me.

And he should eschew San Antonio because he would be part of something established, and go to either Orlando or New Orleans, even though Orlando has very little chance of actually winning a title without a legitimate point guard (and virtually no chance to get such a player with another large contract on the books) and New Orleans is perhaps the least certain of the West's Final Four to be back in that position again come 2009? Again, makes perfect sense to me.

[O-Factor]

Fuck Chris Blowhard

[Marcus Bryant]

Would NO give him the opportunity to become a FA in 2010? Between Stojakovic, Chandler, West, and Paul (after his extension kicks in) the Hornets are carrying a hefty payroll as it is. I don't think they'd be able to create the cap flexibility to give him a raise anytime soon off a MLE contract.

[oligarchy]

I don't think I agree with not enough touches in NO.

On the Spurs end, whose to say how much burn Bowen is going to get this year? Maggette would most likely get 30-35 minutes. Bowen and Maggette would most likely be on the floor at the same time.

[Man In Black]

That's just C BLowhard doing what he can to give his FLAKERS a better chance at being on top of the West. If Not the Flakers, then he'd choose something more marketable like say...New Orleans.

Crappy logic but I get that from him.

He's just trying his best to be a SAS Clone.

[rj215]

He needs to just STFU because no one listens to his ass on espn anyway

[hater]

If I'm Maggette, though, the Spurs would not be my top choice. He would be the fourth option and there could be crucial stretches when he'd find himself on the bench while Popovich opts for Bruce Bowen's defense. It's not a bad fit, but I think there are better.


he obviously doesn't know shit. Maggette could be in there with Bowen. Not to mention at times he could be the 1st option since Parker/Manu/Duncan go through droughts.

[SPURSGOAT]

Kinda, but the Spurs are searching for a Bowen replacement. To argue that Bowen is gonna take his minutes is short-sighted. Give a year for Maggette to learn the system, and then after that - Maggette will be getting a lot of PT.

He would be far from being a Bowen replacement... he can't play D like Bowen can... his D is pretty weak.

I see Bowen's decline really starting next season... I want Maggette as much as anyone, but we need someone that will be able to replace Bowen and Maggette is not it... maybe Gist is...

[Kori Ellis]

There's 96 minutes available at the swingspots, plus some extra minutes from Pop's small ball lineups.

So let's say there's 100 minutes available a game for wingplayers.

Bowen 28-30
Maggette 32
Manu 25
4th wing 13-15

There's no issue with Maggette getting minutes.

[xtremesteven33]

That's just C BLowhard doing what he can to give his FLAKERS a better chance at being on top of the West. If Not the Flakers, then he'd choose something more marketable like say...New Orleans.

Crappy logic but I get that from him.

He's just trying his best to be a SAS Clone.


ive always thought ESPN analyst are just catalyst to bring players to teams that the media wants to puff.

do yall think he is doing this now?

[Kori Ellis]

By the way, in my last example, I know there will be nights when Manu gets upwards of 30 minutes. I would just like him to hover around 25-27 this season.

[montgod]

I don't think I agree with not enough touches in NO.

On the Spurs end, whose to say how much burn Bowen is going to get this year? Maggette would most likely get 30-35 minutes. Bowen and Maggette would most likely be on the floor at the same time.

I agree.

If anything, he and Ginobli might sub each other out depending on the situation. Of course, this also doesn't rule out Ginobli and Maggette being on the floor at the same time either.

It doesn't matter... either way, everyone will get their minutes and we all know Pop knows how to manage minutes according especially for the older guys who he knows he will need to be fresh come playoff time.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

The Clippers' other free agent

While everyone's talking about Elton Brand -- and rightly so -- the free agent who could sway the balance of power in the Western Conference is Corey Maggette.

It could be awhile before Maggette chooses his destination because he's waiting to see what happens in Philadelphia and Golden State, the only two big spenders beneath the salary cap. If either of those two clubs doesn't get its top targets, they could turn to Maggette and offer him more than the mid-level exception of roughly $6 million per year.

If Maggette, who was set to make $7 million next season before opting out of his contract, doesn't end up with the Sixers or Warriors, his landing spot will be of major significance out West.

San Antonio, New Orleans and Utah are all interested in Maggette. And in the East, Orlando, Boston and Cleveland have expressed interest.

I'll deal with those Eastern scenarios later, but first the really intriguing stuff -- the West.

If one of those three Western powers adds Maggette, it probably positions itself as the Lakers' No. 1 obstacle next May.

Imagine Maggette in San Antonio. We all saw how the Spurs struggled to score vs. L.A. Well, adding Maggette would solve that problem. It would also give San Antonio a much needed boost in athleticism. He's not much of a defender, but he'd get a lot better on that end playing in San Antonio's system.

If I'm Maggette, though, the Spurs would not be my top choice. He would be the fourth option and there could be crucial stretches when he'd find himself on the bench while Popovich opts for Bruce Bowen's defense. It's not a bad fit, but I think there are better.

In Utah, Maggette would slide in next to Deron Williams and immediately solve the Jazz's "lack of athleticism" issue. With Andrei Kirilenko's decline, the Jazz can't become a true contender with weak scorers at both the 2 and 3 spots.

While Ronnie Brewer did an admirable job at shooting guard last season, moving him to the bench would drastically improve the Jazz's depth. And adding a slasher like Maggette to a club that features the outside shooting of Mehmet Okur and Kyle Korver would be a great extra weapon.

Maggette would seem to play a larger role in Utah than he would in San Antonio, but after spending the last eight seasons in La-La, from a social standpoint, Salt Lake City would be a huge drop-off.

Which leads us to New Orleans. This seems like the perfect fit for Maggette. The Hornets need a starting caliber two-guard in the worst way, and Maggette clearly fits the bill.

Imagine the offensive firepower of Chris Paul, Maggette, Peja Stojakovic and David West. And Maggette couldn't ask for a better point guard to play with than Paul.

Plus, Maggette would be part of something grand, new and fresh in New Orleans. In San Antonio, where they've already won four titles in the last nine years, he'd be just the latest role player (Horry, Finley, Mohammed, etc. …) flown in to aid the big boys in another championship run.

And in Utah, well, he'd be in Utah.

But in New Orleans, he could be a key cog in helping this franchise challenge for a Western Conference title -- and maybe more. If he goes to the Hornets and they win the West, he'd be viewed as the difference. And he'll still be able to get his 17 points a game there.

That's not to mention the role he could play in helping re-energize a city in need.

I'm always looking for a new young team to reach elite status, so I'd like to see Maggette in New Orleans. In the West, Utah would be my second choice for him.

Turning to the East, I don't think Boston's the place for him. He'd come off the bench behind Paul Pierce and Ray Allen, and he's probably not even their first choice: James Posey is.

Cleveland? He'd probably make them better, but I don't think he gets them to Title Town. And the Cavs have to be careful not to dole out long-term deals that don't make them a perennial championship contender.

If Maggette goes East, he should go to Orlando. It's a similar situation to New Orleans, where the addition of Maggette would take a young, improving team to the next level.

The Magic already have one of the most offensively-productive frontlines in the league in Dwight Howard, Hedo Turkoglu and Rashard Lewis. But they are woefully deficient in the backcourt, especially at two guard.

Maggette's presence might move them ahead of everyone in the East except Boston.

So if I'm Maggette, and I have to settle for mid-level money, I'm settling in New Orleans or Orlando.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3472314&name=broussard_chris

This guy is fucking retarded. The Spurs have been the most successful franchise in all of sports for the last ten years and he thinks that's a bad thing.

And he's wrong about Maggette. Maggette wouldn't be just another role player here. He'd fill a much needed role as 4th scoring option, and maybe even share the 2nd and 3rd spot on some nights.

If winning is his priority, then SA is the best choice without question over NO.

[coopdogg3]

Yeah, you have to wonder if NO was a flash in the pan (probably not). But with the Spurs you know you're going deep in the play-offs. That means CM gets to play for a winner, and he gets the bonus money.

[rayray2k8]

Maggette on the Hornets seems kinda scary...
Love the take on Utah, though. :lol

Every team that has expressed interest in him, could use and
I'm pretty sure playing time wont be an issue with him, wherever he goes.

[Marcus Bryant]

If Maggette misses out on a large guaranteed contract this summer and takes the MLE, then he's going to want to end up with a team who will be able to give him that large guaranteed money in the near future. Joining the Spurs for him wouldn't just be about "winning" or whatever, it would be about joining a team which will be able to create the cap space to give him that large guaranteed contract in two years. He will have a better shot at that in SA as the 4th big contract than in NO as the 5th big contract.

[Marcus Bryant]

Not to mention, the Hornets will likely be giving Pargo a raise this summer too.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Someone should shove Broussard's thoughts up his ass.

[BacktoBasics]

Maggs and Hornets makes sense. Peja was off and on and Maggs would really solidify the 2nd and 3rd options on that team. Spurs fans just hate to admit it'd be a good fit. Outside of that I don't see even Boston being a better MLE fit.

As far as the big spenders go they both suck for options but money is money is money and it rings beautifully to the ear.

[1Parker1]

This doesn't even make sense. He argues that he'd be the 4th option on the Spurs in critical situations, what exactly does he think will happen on the Hornets or Jazz? Hornets the 1, 2, 3 options are almost always going to be CP3, West, and Peja. In Utah the 1, 2 options are always going to Williams, Boozer, and possibly Okur for the "3rd option."

[Obstructed_View]

Imagine Maggette in San Antonio. I'd have to go there to cover playoff games for a month instead of getting to hang out in Los Angeles. Please don't make me hang out there with all those white people.

Amended for truth.

[T Park]

Amended for truth.

Change whites to hispanics and it would be.

[Marcus Bryant]

So Maggette's going to join a team where he'd have to wait at least 3 years for a large contract? With a team whose payroll would preclude them offering him a larger deal or getting one via a sign and trade?

I can see Orlando, as they should have the flexibility to give him that big payday within a couple years, but NO doesn't make that much sense for him, assuming he's not going to be content to play for the MLE for the rest of his career.

[1Parker1]

and New Orleans is perhaps the least certain of the West's Final Four to be back in that position again come 2009?.

Why do u think NO is in the least position to be in the Final 4 again out of all the teams in the West? I actually think they have a great chance to.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

Maggs and Hornets makes sense. Peja was off and on and Maggs would really solidify the 2nd and 3rd options on that team. Spurs fans just hate to admit it'd be a good fit. Outside of that I don't see even Boston being a better MLE fit.

As far as the big spenders go they both suck for options but money is money is money and it rings beautifully to the ear.

It'd be a great fit for him, but he'd be a better for us. If he wants to change his losing ways and have a legitimate shot at winning a title then the smartest option is SA.

As far as playing time and role in our offense: He'll be called on to be our 2nd option at times. Parker and Ginobili aren't that much better than Corey. In fact, they're really all pretty interchangeable for the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th options on offense. In NO, though, David West and Chris Paul have the 1st and 2nd options filled and there is no changing that. At best, he's a 3rd option in NO.

[T Park]

Why do u think NO is in the least position to be in the Final 4 again out of all the teams in the West? I actually think they have a great chance to.

They had an abnormal year health wise.

[hater]

Amended for truth.

Broussard is black !?

[T Park]

Broussard is black !?

Yes he is.

To quote Seinfeld "Not that there's anything wrong with that"

[BacktoBasics]

It'd be a great fit for him, but he'd be a better for us. If he wants to change his losing ways and have a legitimate shot at winning a title then the smartest option is SA.

As far as playing time and role in our offense: He'll be called on to be our 2nd option at times. Parker and Ginobili aren't that much better than Corey. In fact, they're really all pretty interchangeable for the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th options on offense. In NO, though, David West and Chris Paul have the 1st and 2nd options filled and there is no changing that. At best, he's a 3rd option in NO.Obviously

I think he has just as a good a chance for a title in NO. Plus they're all relatively young and that core could contend for many years to come. They haven't even begun to peak and they have all the right peices.

No doubt I want him in SA though.

[Marcus Bryant]

Sure, NO would be a nice basketball fit, if he didn't care about touches, minutes or playing for the MLE for the rest of his career. But, as we are well aware, the NBA isn't always about what's best for basketball.

[T Park]

Obviously

I think he has just as a good a chance for a title in NO. Plus they're all relatively young and that core could contend for many years to come. They haven't even begun to peak and they have all the right peices.

No doubt I want him in SA though.


If they have a freakishly healthy year again, yeah they can contend.

I'm just afraid the stars lined up with guys like Tyson Chandler and Peja Stoyakovic.

[Obstructed_View]

Broussard is black !?

:lol You aren't supposed to question things like that before leveling an unfounded charge of racism.

[Extra Stout]

Dear God in heaven, don't let Corey Maggette go to the Spurs. Enough of this ish. The rest of the media and I are tired of San Antonio. America is tired of San Antonio. Why can't the Spurs freaking die? Just when you think finally we're all done with their boring methodical asses, here they are in the mix with a key free agent who could shore up a lot of their weaknesses.

If I have to call Maggette directly to talk him out of it, I will.

Oh, and if there is one NBA town more god-forsakingly dull than San Antonio, it's Salt Lake. Get Deron Williams out of there while we're at it.

[Obstructed_View]

Sure, NO would be a nice basketball fit, if he didn't care about touches, minutes or playing for the MLE for the rest of his career. But, as we are well aware, the NBA isn't always about what's best for basketball.

Unfortunately, professional athletes don't always think through what situations would actually be best for themselves, either. DA and Jack immediately spring to mind.

ES's Broussard quote is about a thousand times better than mine.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

Obviously

I think he has just as a good a chance for a title in NO. Plus they're all relatively young and that core could contend for many years to come. They haven't even begun to peak and they have all the right peices.

No doubt I want him in SA though.

SA would be better with Corey than NO would IMO.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

I mean, we beat them w/ an injured Manu this year.

[T Park]

SA would be better with Corey than NO would IMO.

Actually, if they all stayed healthy, New Orleans with Maggette I would say would win the west, and most likely the NBA title.

[Obstructed_View]

I mean, we beat them w/ an injured Manu and a sick Duncan this year.

[Marcus Bryant]

Unfortunately, professional athletes don't always think through what situations would actually be best for themselves, either. DA and Jack immediately spring to mind.

ES's Broussard quote is about a thousand times better than mine.

He opts out, expecting to get paid this summer and then Baron Davis screws him out of his large payday. I'd say he's going to be a little sensitive about where he ends up next and how that will pay off for him.

[Tully365]

There's 96 minutes available at the swingspots, plus some extra minutes from Pop's small ball lineups.

So let's say there's 100 minutes available a game for wingplayers.

Bowen 28-30
Maggette 32
Manu 25
4th wing 13-15

There's no issue with Maggette getting minutes.

Maggette averaged almost 36 mpg last season. I don't know his mindset, but he obviously loves to take a lot of shots and I can imagine that minutes are on his mind. He might look at it this way:

Bowen: 30
Manu: 25-32
Udoka: 20
Delfino: ?
Barry: ?

Don't get me wrong-- I'd like Maggette to join the Spurs (esp. at a bargain MLE salary), but my concern is he might think of New Orleans as a better fit. I think guys like JR Smith & Maggette might be a little afraid of Pop because they know about his defense-first approach and his take-no-shit, tough-love approach to coaching... no way an angry Pop would play him the minutes an angry Dunleavy did... just a thought...guess we'll see in the next few weeks.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

Actually, if they all stayed healthy, New Orleans with Maggette I would say would win the west, and most likely the NBA title.

I disagree with all that.

[T Park]

I disagree with all that.

Of course you would.

[Marcus Bryant]

Maggette averaged almost 36 mpg last season. I don't know his mindset, but he obviously loves to take a lot of shots and I can imagine that minutes are on his mind. He might look at it this way:

Bowen: 30
Manu: 25-32
Udoka: 20
Delfino: ?
Barry: ?

Don't get me wrong-- I'd like Maggette to join the Spurs (esp. at a bargain MLE salary), but my concern is he might think of New Orleans as a better fit. I think guys like JR Smith & Maggette might be a little afraid of Pop because they know about his defense-first approach and his take-no-shit, tough-love approach to coaching... no way an angry Pop would play him the minutes an angry Dunleavy did... just a thought...guess we'll see in the next few weeks.

If the Spurs sign Maggette, Udoka is not going to get 20mpg. I think Manu's minutes would be reduced a little in the regular season. Ditto for Bowen's. I could see something like

Maggette 35
Manu 26
Bowen 27
Udoka 10

Maggette will be here for one reason and one reason only and that is to play a ton of regular season minutes and put up points.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

Of course I'm gay.

[picnroll]

If Spurs are going after Delfino and Magette I wonder if Udoka is trade bait. He has an extrmely favorable contract for his level of play.

[SenorSpur]

he obviously doesn't know shit. Maggette could be in there with Bowen. Not to mention at times he could be the 1st option since Parker/Manu/Duncan go through droughts.

Exactly. I hate Broussard, and not just because of this. This is just yet another piece of commentary from an East Coast "blowhard" who hasn't done his homework. These guys are all so-called experts, but they don't know shit about the Spurs roster, how Pop utlizes his rotations or even what talent is stashed overseas. Most of them, (not name Bucher) don't know who Ian Mahinmi is.

[T Park]

If the Spurs sign Maggette, Udoka is not going to get 20mpg. I think Manu's minutes would be reduced a little in the regular season. Ditto for Bowen's. I could see something like

Maggette 35
Manu 26
Bowen 27
Udoka 10

Maggette will be here for one reason and one reason only and that is to play a ton of regular season minutes and put up points.

Yeah hes gonna in reality at times be the third option behind Duncan and Parker and Ginobili will get reduced minutes, hell even GAMES off more than likely.

[T Park]

[QUOTE=Ronaldo McDonald;2642481][QUOTE=T Park;2642462]Of course I'm gay.

Grow up and take it somewhere else.

[Marcus Bryant]

If Spurs are going after Delfino and Magette I wonder if Udoka is trade bait. He has an extrmely favorable contract for his level of play.

Well, the Spurs may like having the depth at the 2 and 3. Also, as Udoka's contract ends next summer, they may be anticipating him leaving rather than giving him a contract past 2010.

[T Park]

If Spurs are going after Delfino and Magette I wonder if Udoka is trade bait. He has an extrmely favorable contract for his level of play.

Doubtfull they would get anything for him, and doubtfull they would trade him.

Maggette replaces Finley
Delfino would replace Barry



Thats a big if, if either one comes.

[pjjrfan]

There's 96 minutes available at the swingspots, plus some extra minutes from Pop's small ball lineups.

So let's say there's 100 minutes available a game for wingplayers.

Bowen 28-30
Maggette 32
Manu 25
4th wing 13-15

There's no issue with Maggette getting minutes.
I don't know about the number of minutes, but it's obvious that Maggatte is going to get a lot of time on the floor. Bowen can play the 2, and with Maggette's strength and power I can see him as a better fit at the 4 than Finley who played that position a lot when the Spurs went small ball.
Plus, unless I missed something he will be a starter and probably get starters minutes.

[T Park]

Yeah IF Maggette signed, he would become the automatic starting shooting guard barring injury, which with him, its possible.

[picnroll]

Well, the Spurs may like having the depth at the 2 and 3. Also, as Udoka's contract ends next summer, they may be anticipating him leaving rather than giving him a contract past 2010.
Only way I could see them getting both Delfino and Magette is letting Barry and Barry (in edit: Finley) walk. Delfino and Magete are both going to want contracts extending beyond 2010 I'd think.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

[QUOTE=Ronaldo McDonald;2642481][QUOTE=T Park;2642462]Of course I'm gay.

Grow up and take it somewhere else.

STFU, you were the one who started shit by insuating whatever the fuck you were trying to insuate by saying, "of course you would".

[SenorSpur]

Obviously, I hope Maggette decides to come aboard. I just don't want to see a long, drawn-out process. I hope he makes his decision soon enough.

[Tully365]

If the Spurs sign Maggette, Udoka is not going to get 20mpg. I think Manu's minutes would be reduced a little in the regular season. Ditto for Bowen's. I could see something like

Maggette 35
Manu 26
Bowen 27
Udoka 10

Maggette will be here for one reason and one reason only and that is to play a ton of regular season minutes and put up points.

I agree with you, but my numbers represented what Maggette might be thinking...total speculation, of course.... But if Manu is healthy, 26 mpg is awfully sparse for a guy who is so productive. I get the whole "keep him fresh" theory, but maybe Maggette worries that that concept carries over for everybody. I'm sure when playing against Manu, Maggette must think, "damn, this guy is goood..." and then wonder about the whole minutes-played configuration... like I said, total speculation.... but there are few players with Manu's patience & understanding regarding playing time.

[T Park]

[QUOTE=T Park;2642495][QUOTE=Ronaldo McDonald;2642481]

STFU, you were the one who started shit by insuating whatever the fuck you were trying to insuate by saying, "of course you would".

Take it somewhere else.

Stop polluting the thread.

[T Park]

I agree with you, but my numbers represented what Maggette might be thinking...total speculation, of course.... But if Manu is healthy, 26 mpg is awfully sparse for a guy who is so productive. I get the whole "keep him fresh" theory, but maybe Maggette worries that that concept carries over for everybody. I'm sure when playing against Manu, Maggette must think, "damn, this guy is goood..." and then wonder about the whole minutes-played configuration... like I said, total speculation.... but there are few players with Manu's patience & understanding regarding playing time.

With all due respect, I doubt one bit Maggette has wondered why hes so fresh, and what not.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

As soon as you shit the fuck up with your bullshit subtle insuations I'll shut the fuck up.

[Marcus Bryant]

Only way I could see them getting both Delfino and Magette is letting Barry and Barry walk. Delfino and Magete are both going to want contracts extending beyond 2010 I'd think.

Yeah, Barry would be gone if you bring in those two.

Delfino may want such a contract but I don't think he's in a position to get one.

As for Maggette, he'd get one that would extend past 2010, but would have a player option to become a free agent that summer.

[tav1]

If Spurs are going after Delfino and Magette I wonder if Udoka is trade bait. He has an extrmely favorable contract for his level of play.

No, I think they plan to use Udoka as a small ball 4. Bonner will not make it off the bench all of next year, too.

[Marcus Bryant]

I agree with you, but my numbers represented what Maggette might be thinking...total speculation, of course.... But if Manu is healthy, 26 mpg is awfully sparse for a guy who is so productive. I get the whole "keep him fresh" theory, but maybe Maggette worries that that concept carries over for everybody. I'm sure when playing against Manu, Maggette must think, "damn, this guy is goood..." and then wonder about the whole minutes-played configuration... like I said, total speculation.... but there are few players with Manu's patience & understanding regarding playing time.

I'm sure the Spurs are selling him on the opportunity to start. If he can't beat out Barry or Finley to start then they are going after the wrong player.

[Tully365]

Obviously, I hope Maggette decides to come aboard. I just don't want to see a long, drawn-out process. I hope he makes his decision soon enough.

I hope for the same, but I think it might be best to prepare for a long, drawn-out, anxiety-provoking, rumor-filled, ulcer-inducing couple of weeks....unfortunately.....

[Obstructed_View]

Yeah, Barry would be gone if you bring in those two.

I know I can't seem to keep from bringing this up, but if the Spurs wait for Maggette, Barry's likely gone regardless. He's a good player, but if there's a chance of not getting him, he ain't worth the gamble.

[Marcus Bryant]

I know I can't seem to keep from bringing this up, but if the Spurs wait for Maggette, Barry's likely gone regardless. He's a good player, but if there's a chance of not getting him, he ain't worth the gamble.

He'd have the same role he's always had. If minutes were that big of a deal for him I doubt he would've come back last season.

[T Park]

I'm sure the Spurs are selling him on the opportunity to start. If he can't beat out Barry or Finley to start then they are going after the wrong player.

Yeah exactly, you sell him on lots of minutes, lots of shots, and lots of an offensive load during the regular season and in the playoffs being just as integral.

I'm really excited about the possibilities of him going against New Orleans and draw fouls on guys like Chandler and West, and LA against Gasol, Bynum, and Odom.

[Tully365]

I'm sure the Spurs are selling him on the opportunity to start. If he can't beat out Barry or Finley to start then they are going after the wrong player.

Agreed. The possibility of seeing Ginobili and Maggette on the floor together is really exciting, too. That would be an all-out-attack backcourt of Parker/Corey/Manu that would scare the hell out of opposing teams and coaches.

[Marcus Bryant]

Agreed. The possibility of seeing Ginobili and Maggette on the floor together is really exciting, too. That would be an all-out-attack backcourt of Parker/Corey/Manu that would scare the hell out of opposing teams and coaches.

You'd almost want to see a 4 man who could shoot the 3 in that scenario, but I think a rebounding 4 (ie KT) would work quite well.

[T Park]

You'd almost want to see a 4 man who could shoot the 3 in that scenario, but I think a rebounding 4 (ie KT) would work quite well.

Shame Ryan Anderson wasn't available? :lol Kidding kidding

[Obstructed_View]

He'd have the same role he's always had. If minutes were that big of a deal for him I doubt he would've come back last season.

If the Spurs are waiting to commit to him until after they know something about Maggette, then Barry could commit elsewhere, right?

[T Park]

If the Spurs are waiting to commit to him until after they know something about Maggette, then Barry could commit elsewhere, right?

Theoretically yeah.

[Marcus Bryant]

If the Spurs are waiting to commit to him until after they know something about Maggette, then Barry could commit elsewhere, right?

Of course. He could've left last season after the Spurs finally traded him (third time's a charm, I guess) and he had however many contenders calling him.

[SenorSpur]

I know I can't seem to keep from bringing this up, but if the Spurs wait for Maggette, Barry's likely gone regardless. He's a good player, but if there's a chance of not getting him, he ain't worth the gamble.

Barry's been a valuable commodity, however he can be replaced. It's really a trade off. Barry's ball handling, intelligence, and prolific shooting would be replaced by a less-than-prolific shooter, yet a swingman who is a slasher, scorer, and rebounder (Maggette). Or a versatile, athletic, offensive player and on-the-ball defender, in Pietrus.

The possibility of getting Maggette is certainly worth the wait. If he doesn't come, Pietrus should be the next logical option.

Besides, I believe Barry's situation will not be resolved until those of other swingmen, higher in the pecking order, is resolved.

[angelbelow]

wow, this guy is an idiot.

[Marcus Bryant]

The Spurs seem to be prepared to lose Barry. They've been linked to guys who frankly should be a 5th swingman in SA (ie Mason, Diarrhea, Delfino, & Hayes). Maybe the Spurs have begun a 'youth movement'....

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Chris Broussard commands about as much respect as a dead hooker.

:lol

[SPURSGOAT]

Arrrgh!!! I can't take it anymore!!! Maggette decide already!! :smchode:

[DPG21920]

Like I said earlier, Maggette is just a wild bonus that none of us even thought possible. As long as we land a serviceable 2/3 player I will be happy.

[Kori Ellis]

Maggette averaged almost 36 mpg last season. I don't know his mindset, but he obviously loves to take a lot of shots and I can imagine that minutes are on his mind. He might look at it this way:

Bowen: 30
Manu: 25-32
Udoka: 20
Delfino: ?
Barry: ?

Don't get me wrong-- I'd like Maggette to join the Spurs (esp. at a bargain MLE salary), but my concern is he might think of New Orleans as a better fit. I think guys like JR Smith & Maggette might be a little afraid of Pop because they know about his defense-first approach and his take-no-shit, tough-love approach to coaching... no way an angry Pop would play him the minutes an angry Dunleavy did... just a thought...guess we'll see in the next few weeks.

In my scenario, Maggette gets 32 minutes a game. I'm sure he'd be plenty satisfied with that. If Maggette comes, then the 4th swingman gets about 12-15 mpg - whoever that swingman is. Udoka will be out of the rotation, unless Delfino and Barry aren't here. If Maggette comes, they should just package Udoka along with maybe Bonner for anything, cash, picks, an expiring contract whatever. They aren't going to play.

If Maggette is in San Antonio, the three main swing guys will be Manu, Bruce and him. And I'm sure he's aware that. He knows he's not going to be competing with Udoka, etc for minutes.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

In my scenario, Maggette gets 32 minutes a game. I'm sure he'd be plenty satisfied with that. If Maggette comes, then the 4th swingman gets about 12-15 mpg - whoever that swingman is. Udoka will be out of the rotation, unless Delfino and Barry aren't here. If Maggette comes, they should just package Udoka along with maybe Bonner for anything, cash, picks, an expiring contract whatever. They aren't going to play.

If Maggette is in San Antonio, the three main swing guys will be Manu, Bruce and him. And I'm sure he's aware that. He knows he's not going to be competing with Udoka, etc for minutes.

I agree, if we get Maggette and Delfino/Barry, Ime is the odd man out.

[xtremesteven33]

its raining is san antonio right now....it hardly ever rains.

"Do you believe in miracles?"

[Jlowd21]

If Maggette wants to win a championship, he'll be a Spur next year. Period.

:lobt2:

[angelbelow]

this espn analyst makes no attempt to dissect the financial impact of signing maggette. he conveintly ignores the fact that both utah and NO are giving max extensions to their PGs and they still have relatively weak benches. man i cant stand most of espn.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I agree with you, but my numbers represented what Maggette might be thinking...total speculation, of course.... But if Manu is healthy, 26 mpg is awfully sparse for a guy who is so productive. I get the whole "keep him fresh" theory, but maybe Maggette worries that that concept carries over for everybody. I'm sure when playing against Manu, Maggette must think, "damn, this guy is goood..." and then wonder about the whole minutes-played configuration... like I said, total speculation.... but there are few players with Manu's patience & understanding regarding playing time.

Fuck speculation. I'm sure Pop will make clear what his minutes are going to look like, and as others have mentioned, we're bringing him in to play a lot of regular season minutes and score points.

He's going to get all the PT he can handle so we can have Manu fresh for the playoffs next year.

[rj215]

this espn analyst makes no attempt to dissect the financial impact of signing maggette. he conveintly ignores the fact that both utah and NO are giving max extensions to their PGs and they still have relatively weak benches. man i cant stand most of espn.

+1

[midgetonadonkey]

Who the hell is Chris Broussard?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Who the hell is Chris Broussard?


http://thumbnail.search.aolcdn.com/truveo/images/thumbnails/D3/45/D345904FED9CA0.jpg

[SPURSGOAT]

Who the hell is Chris Broussard?

A Faker lover...

[DPG21920]

Jlowd: did you go to UNCC

[Spurtacus]

Fuck Broussard.

[xtremesteven33]

Skip Bayless>Chris Broussard

[SPURSGOAT]

Skip Bayless>Chris Broussard

I like Skip... he is the only ESPN guy that ever sticks up for the Spurs... Was funny watching him hash it out with the other ESPN guys that were all gaga over the Suns, Hornets, and Lakers.....made me sick how much they were falling all over themselves about CP3...

[DPG21920]

Sticks up for the Spurs, that is a massive understatement! At least he is open about his homerism, he always says "my san antonio spurs". No secrets.

[xtremesteven33]

every spurs fans should worship skip bayless!

he goes against all the pressure to puff up the big market teams and shows his objectivness by always proclaiming the greatness of Tim Duncan and the Greatness of the Spurs organization.

[DPG21920]

Would we start Maggette at the 2? Or would we put Bruce at the 2 and Maggette at the 3, either way we still have a tiny front court. That would be a massive back court.
Parker
Maggette
Bowen
Duncan
Oberto

[rj215]

i hate most of the espn nba commentators especially guys like broussard, ric bucher, jim grey (when he was there) and stephen a smith. all of them have a hard on for kobe and will defend him no matter what he does just so they can get interviews with him and boost their own images.

then you have idiots like greg anthony who said that lebron was 'a great shooter' during a debate with bayless on 1st Take. yeah apparently he hasn't seen the '07 finals or the the 2nd round this year vs. the celtics. or tim leggler who says the suns will win the title every year. i never understood why espn always hires the scrubs to give their 'expert' opinions on the nba. tnt gets it right by hiring hall of famers like chuck barkley and magic who were actually good.

[DPG21920]

Objectivity is not agreeing with your personal point of view. I love Skip, but he is biased and not that insightful.

[xtremesteven33]

Objectivity is not agreeing with your personal point of view. I love Skip, but he is biased and not that insightful.



he tends to prevent himself from flip-floping.

he seems like once he says something about someone, that label will be with him forever. (lebron,AI)

i can admire that if done with fairness. most of the time he does, but sometimes hell never admit to someones sucess just to get his viewers angry....haha i love that guy

[FuzzyLumpkins]

every spurs fans should worship skip bayless!

he goes against all the pressure to puff up the big market teams and shows his objectivness by always proclaiming the greatness of Tim Duncan and the Greatness of the Spurs organization.

He does it piss off Dallas fans. He tries to be the villain to big market fans not because of anything else.

[Kori Ellis]

Would we start Maggette at the 2? Or would we put Bruce at the 2 and Maggette at the 3, either way we still have a tiny front court. That would be a massive back court.
Parker
Maggette
Bowen
Duncan
Oberto

Maggette is only about 6'5 (or are you not talking about physical size?).

[Tully365]

Fuck speculation. I'm sure Pop will make clear what his minutes are going to look like, and as others have mentioned, we're bringing him in to play a lot of regular season minutes and score points.

He's going to get all the PT he can handle so we can have Manu fresh for the playoffs next year.

First word: Fuck
Second word: Speculation

I guess we should all just turn off our computers now, 'cause that's all we're all doing, is speculating. Unless of course you've been on the phone with Pop or RC in the last hour. Have you?

[all_heart]

How does this 2nd unit sound?

Hill
Maggette
Udoka
Ian M.
Thomas

I see a 2nd unit that get some points on the board and defend, all of course if IM and Hill live up to their potential. Throw in a healthy Horry and Manu at times and I think we would be ok. :wow

[DPG21920]

Maggette is only about 6'5 (or are you not talking about physical size?).

What??? Corey Maggette is listed as 6'6 225 lbs forward. Bruce Bowen is listed as 6'7 200 lbs forward.

My question was, if we got him, would we use him to start in place of Ginobili at the two or would he play the 3? If he plays the 3, I then asked if Bruce would move to the 2 in certain cases which would give us a big back-court, and I said either way that our front-line is still small.

[Bruno]

Maggette's true and best position is SF.
If Spurs get him, I think he will start at SF with Bowen at SG like Pop did in 2004 with Hedo.

[DPG21920]

(or are you not talking about physical size?).

Is that what Kirk Penney said!

[angelbelow]

i like skip also, a lot of LA fans here hate him though.

[SPURSGOAT]

i like skip also, a lot of LA fans here hate him though.

Ha-ha! It seems like all the Laker fans HATE Skip... you just have to mention Skip Bayless and you can see the rage flare up in them... :lmao

[spurman20]

What??? Corey Maggette is listed as 6'6 225 lbs forward. Bruce Bowen is listed as 6'7 200 lbs forward.

My question was, if we got him, would we use him to start in place of Ginobili at the two or would he play the 3? If he plays the 3, I then asked if Bruce would move to the 2 in certain cases which would give us a big back-court, and I said either way that our front-line is still small.

He can play the 2 or three.... Starts at 2 and When Manu is in moves to three......when we go small he can even play 4. And he and bowen are the same HT I dont care what they are listed at.

[ChumpDumper]

It's all in the agent handbook.

[bigdog]

It's all in the agent handbook.

:lol

[John_C]

Lol at Broussard, specifically targeting teams that could really put the cork on the Lakers. Didn't he choose the Lakers over San Antonio and Celtics also? I guess we know why now.

[angelbelow]

It's all in the agent handbook.

were you guys able to get a copy of that from him?

[Budkin]

Broussard always picks against the Spurs. He's one of the ones that always calls them "boring," etc. Fuck him.

[K-State Spur]

Sticks up for the Spurs, that is a massive understatement! At least he is open about his homerism, he always says "my san antonio spurs". No secrets.

it's a bit of an inside joke, because during the 2005 run, he was the one calling the Spurs boring and unwatchable.

[Spur-Addict]

The haters come out almost instantly, geez Broussard, at least you are attempting to explain. Still, he's a hater.

[Avitus1]

Bowen's D would eat up mins but he wont be around for a few more seasons. However he'll slowly get more minutes like everyone else that can work into the Spurs system.

[TheMadHatter]

You like Skip Bayless because he is a Spurs homer, not because he is objective about anything related to sports. This is the man who still calls Lebron James overrated.

[xtremesteven33]

You like Skip Bayless because he is a Spurs homer, not because he is objective about anything related to sports. This is the man who still calls Lebron James overrated.


i love skip cause he shows love to my spurs.

he can be objective when he wants to be, but overall he sticks up for us spurs fans, and in this day and age when style seems to override substance, skip reminds us that substance can never be replaced with style

[TheMadHatter]

You like Skip Bayless because he is a Spurs homer, not because he is objective about anything related to sports. This is the man who still calls Lebron James overrated.


i love skip cause he shows love to my spurs.

he can be objective when he wants to be, but overall he sticks up for us spurs fans, and in this day and age when style seems to override substance, skip reminds us that substance can never be replaced with style

:bang:bang:bang

[xtremesteven33]

i never denied him being a spurs homer. thats why i love him so much.

comprende?

besides, skip calls lebron overrated cause everyone compares/comparED him to MJ. he just judges lebron based on MJ's play.

i dont agree with everything he says, i just love how he shows love to the spurs.

[rj215]

Most of the ESPN idiots spend their time calling the Spurs boring, old or both. Bayless is the one guy there that gives props to a TEAM that doesn't have an alpha dog (LeBrick, Ass Taster Kobe, Marsh-Melo, AI etc.) who let's his ego dominate the team. Skip appreaciates the fact that the Spurs are an old school, defense first, team first, group of generally good dudes.

Plus I think he enjoys the fact that we have a coach who doesn't have write books trashing his players (Big Chief Triangle) or a coach who'll kill his team in the press (Don Nelson, Larry Brown, George Karl etc.).

[SPURSGOAT]

You like Skip Bayless because he is a Spurs homer, not because he is objective about anything related to sports. This is the man who still calls Lebron James overrated.

As I said before... Laker fans get pissed that there is actually an ESPN analyst that likes the Spurs... when about 80% of them seem to love Kobe or Lakers or whatever team or player is hot at the moment...Like with Chris Paul, seems like everyone was drooling and clammoring over every move he made...not to mention how much of a fuss they made over the Celtics...:wow

Now I don't agree with him on the LeBron being overrated, but I do agree with him on this; I would rather have LeBron than Kobe on my team...

[TheMadHatter]

As I said before... Laker fans get pissed that there is actually an ESPN analyst that likes the Spurs... when about 80% of them seem to love Kobe or Lakers or whatever team or player is hot at the moment...Like with Chris Paul, seems like everyone was drooling and clammoring over every move he made...not to mention how much of a fuss they made over the Celtics...:wow

Now I don't agree with him on the LeBron being overrated, but I do agree with him on this; I would rather have LeBron than Kobe on my team...

Whoa, easy there with the small town complex. I really don't think much of Skip or any other ESPN reporter for the most part and it has nothing to do with them hating/not hating the Lakers. I dislike phony reporters who say controversial things for the sake of being controversial. Skip just happens to be a prime example of this.

[Harry Callahan]

Broussard might even be from New Orleans, given his last name. Stupid article. What does the state of the "Fresh" team or latest fad have to do with winning basketball games?

George Shinn is the owner of the Hornets. He is not a good owner.

Why would Utah spend a bunch of money on Korver (plus a #1 pick) along with another #1 pick in Brewer, just to put them on the bench.

New Orleans is not what it used to be in all honesty and Utah is the ultimate naptown.

In SA, Maggette would join proven winners.