As It Stands: Spurs Salaries 2008-09

[timvp]

Heading into free agency, here are the players already under contract for the Spurs:

Tim Duncan -- $20,598,704
Tony Parker -- $11,550,000
Manu Ginobili -- $9,905,248
Bruce Bowen -- $4,000,000
Fabricio Oberto -- $3,167,420
Matt Bonner -- $2,978,000
Jacque Vaughn - $1,262,275
Ime Udoka - $1,080,000
Ian Mahinmi - $841,000
TOTAL -- $55,382,647

For purposes of the luxury tax threshold, Vaughn will only count $797,581 toward it, since he's a 10+ year veteran on a minimum contract. With those adjustment, the team's salary in terms of the luxury tax threshold is $54,917,953.

This season, the luxury tax threshold will be $71,150,000. Subtracting what the Spurs already have committed on the books, the Spurs have $16,232,047 to work with in free agency. In other words, the Spurs can add that much salary before hitting the luxury cap threshold.

The Spurs have at their disposal the Mid-Level Exception, which is worth $5,585,000 this season. Also the Spurs have their Bi-Annual Exception worth $1,910,000 and a trade exception worth $1,847,000.

Currently the Spurs have the following free agents:

Kurt Thomas
Brent Barry
Michael Finley
DerMarr Johnson
Damon Stoudemire
George Hill
Malik Hairston
James Gist

Hill will be signed for an amount between $670,000 and $1,006,200. Most first round picks get the maximum salary, so we'll assume Hill will be on the latter amount. Hairston and Gist, if they make the team, will make $442,114 this season (but will count $797,581 each against the luxury tax threshold).

Johnson and Stoudemire are very unlikely to return next season. The Spurs have full Bird rights to Thomas and Finley, meaning the Spurs can sign either player for as much as they want. The Spurs lost Barry's Bird rights during the Seattle trade next year, so the most he can make is the Bi-Annual Exception of $1,910,000.

While it's possible for the Spurs to go many different directions during free agency, one of the most plausible outcomes would be for the Spurs to use their entire Mid-Level Exception on a free agent swingman, use the Bi-Annual Exception to re-sign Barry, re-sign Thomas and sign all three rookies.

Here is how that scenario would look on paper:

Tim Duncan -- $20,598,704
Tony Parker -- $11,550,000
Manu Ginobili -- $9,905,248
Bruce Bowen -- $4,000,000
Fabricio Oberto -- $3,167,420
Matt Bonner -- $2,978,000
Jacque Vaughn - $1,262,275
Ime Udoka - $1,080,000
Ian Mahinmi - $841,000
Kurt Thomas - $6,135,685
MLE Player TBD - $5,585,000
Brent Barry - $1,910,000
George Hill - $1,006,200
James Gist - $442,114
Malik Hairston - $442,114
TOTAL -- $70,903,760

In this scenario, the Spurs would use every penny possible before hitting the luxury tax threshold. Basically, the Spurs can bring back who is under contract, add the three rookies, re-sign Barry for the Bi-Annual Exception and re-sign Thomas to a two-year deal that can be worth as much as $12,915,617.

Obviously, the Spurs can many other directions but that is a quick look at arguably the most likely direction.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:tu Thanks for the update.

[timvp]

I haven't doubled checked my math so feel free to point out any errors. Thanks :hat

[timvp]

If the Spurs decide to use the Bi-Annual Exception, give Barry the LLE, use their trade exception and waive one of their rookies, here's how it'd shake out:

Tim Duncan -- $20,598,704
Tony Parker -- $11,550,000
Manu Ginobili -- $9,905,248
Bruce Bowen -- $4,000,000
Fabricio Oberto -- $3,167,420
Matt Bonner -- $2,978,000
Jacque Vaughn - $1,262,275
Ime Udoka - $1,080,000
Ian Mahinmi - $841,000
Kurt Thomas - $5,086,266 (Two-year, $10,706,589.93 contract)
MLE Player TBD - $5,585,000
Brent Barry - $1,910,000
Trade Exception - $1,847,000
George Hill - $1,006,200
Gist/Hairston - $442,114

[Solid D]

Here is how that scenario would look on paper:

Tim Duncan -- $20,598,704
Tony Parker -- $11,550,000
Manu Ginobili -- $9,905,248
Bruce Bowen -- $4,000,000
Fabricio Oberto -- $3,167,420
Matt Bonner -- $2,978,000
Jacque Vaughn - $1,262,275
Ime Udoka - $1,080,000
Ian Mahinmi - $841,000
Kurt Thomas - $6,135,685
MLE Player TBD - $5,585,000
Brent Barry - $1,910,000
George Hill - $1,006,200
James Gist - $442,114
Malik Hairston - $442,114
TOTAL -- $70,903,760

In this scenario, the Spurs would use every penny possible before hitting the luxury tax threshold. Basically, the Spurs can bring back who is under contract, add the three rookies, re-sign Barry for the Bi-Annual Exception and re-sign Thomas to a two-year deal that can be worth as much as $12,915,617.

Obviously, the Spurs can many other directions but that is a quick look at arguably the most likely direction.

Oberto.........Thomas...........Bonner
Duncan........Mahinmi...........Gist
Bowen........._______..........Hairston
Ginobili........Barry...............Udoka
Parker.........Hill..................Vaughn

[Marcus Bryant]

Oberto.........Thomas...........Bonner
Duncan........Mahinmi...........Gist
Bowen.........Barnes..........Hairston
Ginobili........Barry...............Udoka
Parker.........Hill..................Vaughn

[tav1]

This is a great post. Thanks.

[loveforthegame]

What was Barry scheduled to make this year if he didn't opt out?

Wouldn't he gain more by going to Phoenix, Houston, or the Lakers? Not just money but in years as well?

[tav1]

I know that I've obsessed over that trade exception for months, but damn could it be valuable. If we could sneak in a player like Balkman, I'd be so happy.

[tav1]

What was Barry scheduled to make this year if he didn't opt out?

Wouldn't he gain more by going to Phoenix, Houston, or the Lakers? Not just money but in years as well?

Phoenix and Houston, I think, have offered him the LLE. Years is the key variable.

[Spurtacus]

Great post. Bookmarked. :tu

[loveforthegame]

Great post and thread. Appreciate all the info.


Phoenix and Houston, I think, have offered him the LLE. Years is the key variable.

Thanks. I just don't believe Barry opted out of his contract to resign with the Spurs again. I think he heads eleswhere.

[Blackjack]

With the way things are playing out so far, Gist and Hairston have to be smiling.

My guess is they make a stab at J.R. with the MLE, (maybe a bad choise of words:lol) and just sign the rookies.

I'd actually rather them do that than over-pay for a mediocre role-player.

Then again, as much as I don't want Delfino (or Delfemale, for timvp:lol) it probably means he'll be a Spur.

Oh and G.S. ........ :flipoff:

[TDMVPDPOY]

u sign barnes to 2.5m-3m

give barry 2.5m

ask finley yo you earn 2 paychecks bitch, how about the minimum

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Thanks. I just don't believe Barry opted out of his contract to resign with the Spurs again. I think he heads eleswhere.

Well, it's very possible he meant to do just that. I would do the same if I were in his situation. You go from making about $6M last year to making ~$200K the next? That would suck no matter who you are.

[Dex]

Shouldn't Robert Horry work into this equation somehow? At least the FA list?

[Spurtacus]

We need to trade Bonner.

[Marcus Bryant]

Thanks. I just don't believe Barry opted out of his contract to resign with the Spurs again. I think he heads eleswhere.

He opted out to get more than $1.2 mil for one season. He can likely get the LLE for two years this summer.

[DPG21920]

Marcus: You said the Spurs have Finley's and Kurt's bird rights so they can sign them for however much they want? Theoretically, the Spurs could sign Finley to a max contract (20 Million or so) and not have to pay luxury tax?

[DPG21920]

Meaning that next year and in the future they will be over the luxury tax line but not have to pay it because they use their bird rights, but any other player added would be dollar for dollar taxed because they are over...

[spurman20]

Heading into free agency, here are the players already under contract for the Spurs:

Tim Duncan -- $20,598,704
Tony Parker -- $11,550,000
Manu Ginobili -- $9,905,248
Bruce Bowen -- $4,000,000
Fabricio Oberto -- $3,167,420
Matt Bonner -- $2,978,000
Jacque Vaughn - $1,262,275
Ime Udoka - $1,080,000
Ian Mahinmi - $841,000
TOTAL -- $55,382,647

For purposes of the luxury tax threshold, Vaughn will only count $797,581 toward it, since he's a 10+ year veteran on a minimum contract. With those adjustment, the team's salary in terms of the luxury tax threshold is $54,917,953.

This season, the luxury tax threshold will be $71,150,000. Subtracting what the Spurs already have committed on the books, the Spurs have $16,232,047 to work with in free agency. In other words, the Spurs can add that much salary before hitting the luxury cap threshold.

The Spurs have at their disposal the Mid-Level Exception, which is worth $5,585,000 this season. Also the Spurs have their Bi-Annual Exception worth $1,910,000 and a trade exception worth $1,847,000.

Currently the Spurs have the following free agents:

Kurt Thomas
Brent Barry
Michael Finley
DerMarr Johnson
Damon Stoudemire
George Hill
Malik Hairston
James Gist

Hill will be signed for an amount between $670,000 and $1,006,200. Most first round picks get the maximum salary, so we'll assume Hill will be on the latter amount. Hairston and Gist, if they make the team, will make $442,114 this season (but will count $797,581 each against the luxury tax threshold).

Johnson and Stoudemire are very unlikely to return next season. The Spurs have full Bird rights to Thomas and Finley, meaning the Spurs can sign either player for as much as they want. The Spurs lost Barry's Bird rights during the Seattle trade next year, so the most he can make is the Bi-Annual Exception of $1,910,000.

While it's possible for the Spurs to go many different directions during free agency, one of the most plausible outcomes would be for the Spurs to use their entire Mid-Level Exception on a free agent swingman, use the Bi-Annual Exception to re-sign Barry, re-sign Thomas and sign all three rookies.

Here is how that scenario would look on paper:

Tim Duncan -- $20,598,704
Tony Parker -- $11,550,000
Manu Ginobili -- $9,905,248
Bruce Bowen -- $4,000,000
Fabricio Oberto -- $3,167,420
Matt Bonner -- $2,978,000
Jacque Vaughn - $1,262,275
Ime Udoka - $1,080,000
Ian Mahinmi - $841,000
Kurt Thomas - $6,135,685
MLE Player TBD - $5,585,000
Brent Barry - $1,910,000
George Hill - $1,006,200
James Gist - $442,114
Malik Hairston - $442,114
TOTAL -- $70,903,760

In this scenario, the Spurs would use every penny possible before hitting the luxury tax threshold. Basically, the Spurs can bring back who is under contract, add the three rookies, re-sign Barry for the Bi-Annual Exception and re-sign Thomas to a two-year deal that can be worth as much as $12,915,617.

Obviously, the Spurs can many other directions but that is a quick look at arguably the most likely direction.

No way they give Thomas more than 5mil pr year cause no one else will

[Blackjack]

No way they give Thomas more than 5mil pr year cause no one else will

Dan Gadzuric begs to differ. :lmao

[Manufan909]

Great OP, timvp. I was wondering who you think will be the bench warmers/Austin Toros to start out. Matt would obviously not be activated too much, but who out of the draft picks(besides Hill), do you think could get some serious playing time?

And do you think Ian could possibly start, so Pop can hypercharge his growth?

[timvp]

Great OP, timvp. I was wondering who you think will be the bench warmers/Austin Toros to start out. Matt would obviously not be activated too much, but who out of the draft picks(besides Hill), do you think could get some serious playing time?If both rookies make the team, I'd expect both to spend the majority of the year in Austin.


And do you think Ian could possibly start, so Pop can hypercharge his growth?I hope so. Mahinmi's first step is to play well in summer league.

[Manufan909]

How long is the summer league exactly, and are any of the games televised?

[duncan228]

How long is the summer league exactly, and are any of the games televised?

Vegas is July 11-20.
The schedule is here:

http://www.nba.com/summerleague2008/schedule_08.html


NBA TV will broadcast 23 games from Las Vegas as well as provide reports on the Summer League teams, featuring interviews with players, coaches and team executives. In addition to features, game recaps and statistics, NBA.com will also be providing live webcasts of all games.

[DPG21920]

Why can Barry only make the BAE?

[timvp]

Why can Barry only make the BAE?The Spurs don't have his Bird rights so they need to use one of the exceptions to retain him.

[DPG21920]

Ya, but he can make a portion of the MLE correct? He is not limited to the BAE, that was just an estimation right...

[timvp]

Ya, but he can make a portion of the MLE correct? He is not limited to the BAE, that was just an estimation right...Yeah, the MLE is an exception. My point was that if the Spurs want to sign another player to a full MLE deal, the most money Barry could then make is the LLE.

[DPG21920]

Just trying to get some clarification Timvp: if a team is over the cap, they can only offer the MLE and the BAE to FA's correct? If a team is over the cap and has Bird Rights on a player, that team can re-sign that player to whatever contract they want even if it puts them over the luxury tax limit without paying the luxury tax? If a team is under the cap, they can sign a player to any contract they want if they own his Bird Rights (AI2 for example) even if it puts them into luxury tax area without having to pay the luxury tax?

[Blackjack]

I'm really looking forward to seeing how Hairston plays in the summer league. If his game can translate to the N.B.A. level, I could see him playing Fin's role with some fresher legs.

Probably not right away, but he's pretty money shooting from mid-range ala Fin. Hopefully with time, he'll be able to extend his shot out to the 3 as well as Fin has been able to do.

I'm hoping that being a little unlucky in free-agency allows the Spurs to find a diamond in the rough by being forced to develop Hairston and Gist.

Hey, Crazier shit has happened.

I'm really trying to be optimistic.

[timvp]

Just trying to get some clarification Timvp: if a team is over the cap, they can only offer the MLE and the BAE to FA's correct?Correct.


If a team is over the cap and has Bird Rights on a player, that team can re-sign that player to whatever contract they want even if it puts them over the luxury tax limit without paying the luxury tax?

If a team is under the cap, they can sign a player to any contract they want if they own his Bird Rights (AI2 for example) even if it puts them into luxury tax area without having to pay the luxury tax?If you have Bird rights you can pay the player up to the max but you have to pay the lux tax no matter what. If you go over the lux tax, you must pay.

[DPG21920]

So a team that is under the cap can not offer a FA (without owing their Bird Rights) a Max contract if it will put them over the cap? That is why they sign FA's like that first, then use their Bird Rights to sign their own?

[Bruno]

Nice post. :tu



For purposes of the luxury tax threshold, Vaughn will only count $797,581 toward it, since he's a 10+ year veteran on a minimum contract.

That what I thought for a long time but it's not the case, Vaughn will count for his full salary against the luxury ax.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#11

When a player has been in the NBA for three or more seasons, and is playing under a one-year, ten-day or rest-of-season contract, the league actually reimburses the team for part of his salary - any amount above the minimum salary level for a two-year veteran. For example, in 2005-06 the minimum salary for a two-year veteran is $719,373, so for a ten-year veteran, with a minimum salary of $1,138,500, the league would reimburse the team $419,127. Only the two-year minimum salary is included in the team salary, not the player's full salary. They do this so teams won't shy away from signing older veterans simply because they are more expensive when filling out their last few roster spots.

Vaughn is playing under a 2 years contract and doesn't fall in this category.

[Sissiborgo]

Thanks:toast

[loveforthegame]

I'm a little slow but are they really wanting to keep Barry?

They were offering the MLE to Maggette and supposedly (if the Argentian newspaper was correct) offering the LLE to Delfino. Unless they're hoping he signs for the minimum.

[ss1986v2]

I'm a little slow but are they really wanting to keep Barry?

They were offering the MLE to Maggette and supposedly (if the Argentian newspaper was correct) offering the LLE to Delfino. Unless they're hoping he signs for the minimum.
i dont think the argentian source ever said anything about offering the BAE. it just said that the spurs had made an offer. and because we were in the maggette hunt, everyone assumed it meant the BAE. but delfino would never agree to a BAE deal (his QO is about 2.7 mil), and i doubt the veracity of that report to begin with. it was probably just speculation made up to look like fact (kinda like every vecsey article).

[mistwiya]

Holy Crap Matt Bonner getting paid almost 3 mil a year, is he really worth that much?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Just trying to get some clarification Timvp: if a team is over the cap, they can only offer the MLE and the BAE to FA's correct? If a team is over the cap and has Bird Rights on a player, that team can re-sign that player to whatever contract they want even if it puts them over the luxury tax limit without paying the luxury tax? If a team is under the cap, they can sign a player to any contract they want if they own his Bird Rights (AI2 for example) even if it puts them into luxury tax area without having to pay the luxury tax?

For some reason I just pictured RC posting as DPG21920 and it made me laugh.

[oligarchy]

For some reason I just pictured RC posting as DPG21920 and it made me laugh.

now go read spurman20 and picture that as RC.

[DPG21920]

One more question to anyone who knows...

If a team is over the cap, they have the MLE to use, but the use of the MLE causes them to go over the luxury tax line, does that mean they have to pay the luxury tax on him? If so what is the point of allowing teams to only use the MLE if they are over the cap if they are going to pay luxury tax anyways?

[ss1986v2]

One more question to anyone who knows...

If a team is over the cap, they have the MLE to use, but the use of the MLE causes them to go over the luxury tax line, does that mean they have to pay the luxury tax on him? If so what is the point of allowing teams to only use the MLE if they are over the cap if they are going to pay luxury tax anyways?
any salary on the books counts toward the tax figure, even if you sign a player with an exception.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

One more question to anyone who knows...

If a team is over the cap, they have the MLE to use, but the use of the MLE causes them to go over the luxury tax line, does that mean they have to pay the luxury tax on him? If so what is the point of allowing teams to only use the MLE if they are over the cap if they are going to pay luxury tax anyways?

The luxury tax is a dollar for dollar penalty. So if the lux tax threshold is $71 million and a team is at $70 million in salary and signs a guy to the $5.8 million MLE, that puts their salary at 75.8 million.

They pay a 4.8 million dollar luxury tax penalty (75.8 - 71).

The point of the MLE is to give teams a method to better themselves no matter their cap situation. It's up to the team's owners and front office to determine if the extra cost of going over the luxury tax is worth the luxury tax penalty.

That's why some on this forum want us to go after J.R. Smith. Denver is already about 7 million over the luxury tax without paying him a dime. If the Spurs offer him the full MLE (5.8 million), his true cost to Denver for 2008-2009 would be 11.6 million.

[DPG21920]

The luxury tax is a dollar for dollar penalty. So if the lux tax threshold is $71 million and a team is at $70 million in salary and signs a guy to the $5.8 million MLE, that puts their salary at 75.8 million.

They pay a 4.8 million dollar luxury tax penalty (75.8 - 71).

The point of the MLE is to give teams a method to better themselves no matter their cap situation. It's up to the team's owners and front office to determine if the extra cost of going over the luxury tax is worth the luxury tax penalty.

That's why some on this forum want us to go after J.R. Smith. Denver is already about 7 million over the luxury tax without paying him a dime. If the Spurs offer him the full MLE (5.8 million), his true cost to Denver for 2008-2009 would be 11.6 million.

Thanks...I get all of that and I understand what happens when you go over the luxury tax, I was just asking in a round-about why we even have a cap..

I was implying that I know if you are over the cap you should theoretically not be able sign anyone, but the MLE allows for you to sign someone while also placing constraints on how much you can spend as a penalty for being over the cap. If you are over the cap, close to the luxury tax line as in your example and have the MLE to spend that puts you into the luxury tax, I was just saying whats the point. Why not let teams spend and have no cap...I am good with the cap or without it...

[oligarchy]

That's why some on this forum want us to go after J.R. Smith. Denver is already about 7 million over the luxury tax without paying him a dime. If the Spurs offer him the full MLE (5.8 million), his true cost to Denver for 2008-2009 would be 11.6 million.

Maybe you have a better idea of what the Nuggets salary looks like or maybe I am wrong in my thinking, but I believe that in that 7 million over, it already includes his Qualifying Offer of roughly 3 million. Therefore, if we offered MLE, it would only cost them twice the difference ((5.585 - 3.0 = 2.5) *2 = ~5 million). I think they might spend the 5 million to match.

[ss1986v2]

Thanks...I get all of that and I understand what happens when you go over the luxury tax, I was just asking in a round-about why we even have a cap..

I was implying that I know if you are over the cap you should theoretically not be able sign anyone, but the MLE allows for you to sign someone while also placing constraints on how much you can spend as a penalty for being over the cap. If you are over the cap, close to the luxury tax line as in your example and have the MLE to spend that puts you into the luxury tax, I was just saying whats the point. Why not let teams spend and have no cap...I am good with the cap or without it...
because a team like the blazers (owned by paul allen, one of the top 50 riches men on earth) would just have a roster worth 100+ mil a year. it would turn the the nba into the mlb, where several very rich franchises simply outbid the smaller markets out of any available talent.

[oligarchy]

Thanks...I get all of that and I understand what happens when you go over the luxury tax, I was just asking in a round-about why we even have a cap..

I was implying that I know if you are over the cap you should theoretically not be able sign anyone, but the MLE allows for you to sign someone while also placing constraints on how much you can spend as a penalty for being over the cap. If you are over the cap, close to the luxury tax line as in your example and have the MLE to spend that puts you into the luxury tax, I was just saying whats the point. Why not let teams spend and have no cap...I am good with the cap or without it...

To even out the playing field for obtaining players. Larger organizations could spend all they wanted with being hindered by luxury tax payments. While some don't mind paying luxury tax, most teams don't want to spend that extra money for nothing in return. The rest of the teams in the league under the tax line get a distribution of those that paid in.

[DPG21920]

because a team like the blazers (owned by paul allen, one of the top 50 riches men on earth) would just have a roster worth 100+ mil a year. it would turn the the nba into the mlb, where several very rich franchises simply outbid the smaller markets out of any available talent.

So...MLB is America's "past-time" and all of their fans do not seem to care and the world keeps on turning...

That is not stopping teams like the Knicks, Mavs, Cavs, Nuggets, Suns, Boston and others from going over the cap and such, rich owners will spend the money no matter what...

[DPG21920]

To even out the playing field for obtaining players. Larger organizations could spend all they wanted with being hindered by luxury tax payments. While some don't mind paying luxury tax, most teams don't want to spend that extra money for nothing in return. The rest of the teams in the league under the tax line get a distribution of those that paid in.

I know all of that, I know the reasons behind it, I am just saying would the league be better off without the cap? Could argue both ways...

[ss1986v2]

So...MLB is America's "past-time" and all of their fans do not seem to care and the world keeps on turning...

That is not stopping teams like the Knicks, Mavs, Cavs, Nuggets, Suns, Boston and others from going over the cap and such, rich owners will spend the money no matter what...
yeah, new york, boston, chicago, and la fans dont give a crap. try asking a royals, pirates, or marlins fan how he feels about the whole thing. thank god for the rays this year, i hope they can actually make a legit run. because ownership is going to start selling off pieces next year just like the marlins do after they make a push. its more cost effective to have low cost team that loses, than have a high cost team that wins in the smaller markets.

and for the record, how did the knicks, mavs, nuggests, suns, boston, and cavs get over the cap in the first place? they didnt cherry pick the best young talents off of smaller market teams by simply throwing more money than anyone else could match (which is what happens in mlb). they traded shorter contracts for contracts that lasted longer, thereby pushing the salary burden further down the road, combined with using bird rights to give very large salaries to the players already on their roster.

and look what great things it did for everyone aside from boston: they pulled out two all-stars thanks to a top 5 lotter pick and al jefferson, and then were able to pull some solid veteran help thanks to the appeal of playing with garrent & co. the knicks havent been relevant in years. the mavs actually got to the finals after cost cutting moves (letting nash walk, cutting ties with finley), but choked that away. the nuggets are first round fodder and in tax hell. the suns havent done squat. and the cavs are simple one man, surrounded by expensive, sub-par talent. so its not like thats even working all that well.

[DPG21920]

You could make that argument in baseball as well, only one team gets to win a world series, so all other teams that spend out the ass are big losers..One could argue it is better for the league to have big markets being able to buy up all the talent and winning. I do not mind the cap, just saying an argument could be made against it...

[saxman]

Holy Crap Matt Bonner getting paid almost 3 mil a year, is he really worth that much?

Bonner should not be getting paid that much. I would rather have Barry get paid that much and Bonner get paid what Barry is making...

[DPG21920]

Another question: If a team is over the cap, they can spend the MLE correct... So what if a team is under the cap, but only by one million dollars (or less than the MLE), what do they get to spend?

[ss1986v2]

Another question: If a team is over the cap, they can spend the MLE correct... So what if a team is under the cap, but only by one million dollars (or less than the MLE), what do they get to spend?
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#20

larry coon has all the answers you seek...

[oligarchy]

Another question: If a team is over the cap, they can spend the MLE correct... So what if a team is under the cap, but only by one million dollars (or less than the MLE), what do they get to spend?

They can still use MLE if they are under the cap by an amount less than the MLE is my understanding.

[MoSpur]

Awesome post. I say use the LLE on Barnes or someone like Barry.

[DPG21920]

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#20

larry coon has all the answers you seek...

Thanks for the link

[fyatuk]

I know all of that, I know the reasons behind it, I am just saying would the league be better off without the cap? Could argue both ways...

The point of the cap is to level the playing field. Even though you have exceptions, the fact that everyone has the same exceptions keeps it level. Without that, the Knicks, Lakers, and Celtics would likely be far and away the biggest spenders and buy every all-star who hit free agency.

Granted, that might help the league as a whole in terms of ratings and advertising dollars, but it doesn't do much for building smaller market fan base.

The luxory tax is more about helping the teams in smaller markets survive.

I actually hate soft caps. I'd rather have a hard cap, but a soft cap is better than nothing when your in a small/poor market.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Ok...I'm still picturing RC as DPG......I'm still laughing.











I should stick to lower alcohol beverages I suppose. :depressed

[Spurtacus]

Bumping this up since we got Mason. :)

[DPG21920]

Ok...I'm still picturing RC as DPG......I'm still laughing.











I should stick to lower alcohol beverages I suppose. :depressed

If I was R.C. you better bet your ass that I am signing Ed Helicopter Jones to a contract...
I am R.C. and I am just searching for the brightest basketball minds. I am quizzing those who dare answer and I hear SpursTalk is where the people with the basketball acumen reside.

[Russ]

What was the amount of Barry's salary this year (that he opted out of)?

[Spurtacus]

Bumping this up since we signed Thomas.

[timvp]

Have to know the amount Thomas signed for before updating anything.

[Spurtacus]

I know. :)

Roger Mason hasn't been added yet though.

[timvp]

July 23 Update

Tim Duncan -- $20,598,704
Tony Parker -- $11,550,000
Manu Ginobili -- $9,905,248
Kurt Thomas -- $4,200,000
Bruce Bowen -- $4,000,000
Roger Mason, Jr. -- $3,700,000
Fabricio Oberto -- $3,167,420
Matt Bonner -- $2,978,000
Jacque Vaughn -- $1,262,275
Ime Udoka -- $1,080,000
George Hill -- $1,006,200
Ian Mahinmi -- $841,000
TOTAL -- $64,288,847

All of the above numbers are verified other than Mason and Hill. Mason's contract has been reported as $7.3M, $7.4M and $7.5M over two years, so I figured giving him a 2008 salary of $3.7M is fair. It might be a little high or a little low (especially if the Spurs front loaded it like they did with Thomas), but it should be accurate enough. Hill could make as much as the amount listed above or as little as $670,000.

Outside of those 12 players, it appears as if the most likely outcome has the Spurs signing two rookies and a veteran. The two rookies will likely be Anthony Tolliver and James Gist, with Malik Hairston also being a possibility. The veteran could be a number of players but from what I've heard, Michael Finley is all but a lock to take that place.

Here's what the roster will look like assuming Tolliver and Gist are added:

Tim Duncan -- $20,598,704
Tony Parker -- $11,550,000
Manu Ginobili -- $9,905,248
Kurt Thomas -- $4,200,000
Bruce Bowen -- $4,000,000
Roger Mason, Jr. -- $3,700,000
Fabricio Oberto -- $3,167,420
Matt Bonner -- $2,978,000
Jacque Vaughn -- $1,262,275
Ime Udoka -- $1,080,000
George Hill -- $1,006,200
Ian Mahinmi -- $841,000
Anthony Tolliver -- $797,581
James Gist -- $797,581
TOTAL -- $65,884,009

(Although Tolliver and Gist would only make $442,114, their contracts will count $797,581 against the Luxury Tax Threshold.)

With the Luxury Tax Threshold at $71,150,000 for the upcoming season, in the above scenario the Spurs are $5,265,991 below the threshold. The Spurs literally couldn't surpass the threshold even if they wanted to, unless they wanted to give Michael Finley an outrageous contract.

With Thomas signing for less than expected, the Spurs are in very good shape financially. If they want to, they have plenty of room to use their LLE, their remaining money of the MLE or their trade exception. Each of those options is currently worth between $1.7M and $1.9M.

In fact, the Spurs could hypothetically use their LLE, the rest of the MLE and their trade exception and still land beneath the Luxury Tax Threshold.

What's next? The Spurs could keep shopping using their available avenues or simply sign Finley and their rookies and call it an offseason.

[I. Hustle]

The salary spent on this thread?

$000,000,000.00

[Spurtacus]

Thanks for the salary update.


P.S. I'm a little offended that my 2-3 posts previously bumping this thread were deleted. Can I get a PM with the reason for that?

[Bruno]

According to realgm, Mason salary is $3.5M.

[ss1986v2]

storytellers and patricia bender dont have salary info for mason listed yet. shams has it at 3.5 mil next year, 3.78 mil the year after.

[Kori Ellis]

Thanks for the salary update.


P.S. I'm a little offended that my 2-3 posts previously bumping this thread were deleted. Can I get a PM with the reason for that?

I think they just caught in with a few other posts that were inappropriate. There was nothing wrong with your posts.

[timvp]

According to realgm, Mason salary is $3.5M.Interesting. Nice find :tu

So the Spurs still have a tad bit more than $2M of the MLE to play with.

[ceperez]

Tim Duncan $20,598,704
Tony Parker $11,550,000
Manu Ginobili $9,905,248
Bruce Bowen $4,000,000
Fabricio Oberto $3,167,420
Matt Bonner $2,978,000
Jacque Vaughn $1,262,275
Ime Udoka $1,080,000
Ian Mahinmi $841,000
Kurt Thomas $4,200,000
Roger Mason $3,800,000
George Hill $1,006,200
James Gist $442,114
Anthony Tolliver $442,114


14 players total of: $65,273,075

Threshold $71,150,000

Balance $5,876,925

Shall we spend it on Finley or do we get someone else?

[rascal]

Get someone else.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

We don't. We have ~$4.5M divided to two ~$2M deals.

[oligarchy]

Spurs have the remainder of the MLE (~1.9 million), the LLE (~1.9 million), and a trade exception (~1.7 million). These can't be combined. Go back to the drawing board.

[50 cent]

We only have roughly half of the MLE.

Just because we have that much under the lux tax, it doesn't mean we can spend that much on 1 player.

[urunobili]

don;t we have already a thread about the salaries for the 2008-2009 started by timvp?

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10083

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10083

[oligarchy]

don;t we have already a thread about the salaries for the 2008-2009 started by timvp?

It's fun to start threads instead of posting in someone else's!

[MoSpur]

Whatever is left, it needs to be thrown at someone younger and not at Finley. Someone who can create their own shot or a shooter.

[SenorSpur]

Whatever is left, it needs to be thrown at someone younger and not at Finley. Someone who can create their own shot or a shooter.

Thank you.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Petition: read and understand the CBA and player salaries before you post threads like this.

Also, as LJ already broke down in entirety in another thread what salaries we have and what was left to work with, this thread is redundant and unnecessary.

It was rough to find his thread, I had to scroll 3/4 of the way down page 1.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100836&page=3

[Ocotillo]

I'm not typically one to whine about threads by newbies or at least the uninformed to be charitable but, I have to agree with a lot of the folks here. Lately there has been a lot of stupid threads showing up.

While I don't make the time to the read the CBA, if you read enough of the threads by people who know what they are talking about, such as Bruno, timvp, Marcus and others, you can get a feel for generally what we can and cannot do.

There are always going to be threads about crazy trades and people who misunderstand how the cap works but come on folks, think a little before you post and don't clutter up the front page. There is quite a bit of knowledge on the board if you choose to use it.

[mrspurs]

I'm not typically one to whine about threads by newbies or at least the uninformed to be charitable but, I have to agree with a lot of the folks here. Lately there has been a lot of stupid threads showing up.

While I don't make the time to the read the CBA, if you read enough of the threads by people who know what they are talking about, such as Bruno, timvp, Marcus and others, you can get a feel for generally what we can and cannot do.

There are always going to be threads about crazy trades and people who misunderstand how the cap works but come on folks, think a little before you post and don't clutter up the front page. There is quite a bit of knowledge on the board if you choose to use it.

sounds like it to me like your.......whining

[TDMVPDPOY]

ibtl

[Bruno]

A little update :

Guaranteed salaries :
Tim Duncan -- $20,598,704
Tony Parker -- $11,550,000
Manu Ginobili -- $9,905,248
Kurt Thomas -- $4,200,000
Bruce Bowen -- $4,000,000
Fabricio Oberto -- $3,600,000
Roger Mason -- $3,500,000
Matt Bonner -- $2,978,000
Michael Finley -- $2,500,000
Jacque Vaughn - $1,262,275
Ime Udoka - $1,080,000
Ian Mahinmi - $841,000
TOTAL -- $66,115,227 for 12 players.

If Spurs fill the rest of the roster will Hill, Hairston and player(s) with min contracts (Watkins, Tolliver...), they will have a payroll around $68M-$68.5M (about $3M below the luxury tax).

[pad300]

A little update :

Guaranteed salaries :
Tim Duncan -- $20,598,704
Tony Parker -- $11,550,000
Manu Ginobili -- $9,905,248
Kurt Thomas -- $4,200,000
Bruce Bowen -- $4,000,000
Fabricio Oberto -- $3,600,000
Roger Mason -- $3,500,000
Matt Bonner -- $2,978,000
Michael Finley -- $2,500,000
Jacque Vaughn - $1,262,275
Ime Udoka - $1,080,000
Ian Mahinmi - $841,000
TOTAL -- $66,115,227 for 12 players.

If Spurs fill the rest of the roster will Hill, Hairston and player(s) with min contracts (Watkins, Tolliver...), they will have a payroll around $68M-$68.5M (about $3M below the luxury tax).

I thought Tolliver was actually signed for 2 years, partial guaranteed (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2707468&postcount=4), (and according ESPN, for the minimum, http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3276

Salary 2008: $427,163
)

[Bruno]

I thought Tolliver was actually signed for 2 years, partial guaranteed

yes he is.
I didn't put him on the list because his contract isn't fully guaranteed.

And Tolliver isn't a rookie cba wise. His salary for this year is $ 711,517 and he counts for $797,581 against the cap.

[timvp]

A little update :

Guaranteed salaries :
Tim Duncan -- $20,598,704
Tony Parker -- $11,550,000
Manu Ginobili -- $9,905,248
Kurt Thomas -- $4,200,000
Bruce Bowen -- $4,000,000
Fabricio Oberto -- $3,600,000
Roger Mason -- $3,500,000
Matt Bonner -- $2,978,000
Michael Finley -- $2,500,000
Jacque Vaughn - $1,262,275
Ime Udoka - $1,080,000
Ian Mahinmi - $841,000
TOTAL -- $66,115,227 for 12 players.

If Spurs fill the rest of the roster will Hill, Hairston and player(s) with min contracts (Watkins, Tolliver...), they will have a payroll around $68M-$68.5M (about $3M below the luxury tax).Nice work. That means the Spurs could use their LLE and still stay below the threshold if they wish. The Spurs like to be right at that lux tax number, so one more additional signing wouldn't surprise me. Or they could use that trade exception.


yes he is.
I didn't put him on the list because his contract isn't fully guaranteed.Watkins also got a similar deal, however I'm pretty sure Tolliver got a larger chunk guaranteed.

[Bruno]

I just read on realgm forum that shamsport has given the guarantee salaries for training camp invite :

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/2008/10/third-prize-is-youre-fired.jsp


San Antonio kitted out their inactive list with some class. Salim Stoudamire ($200,000), Desmon Farmer (none), Darryl Watkins ($20,000), Devin Green (nada) and Anthony Tolliver ($200,000) all signed early to various levels of guaranteed money, and the Spurs then added to those with further camp signings in Brian Morrison and their second round draft pick Malik Hairston. (Note: Morrison was waived almost immediately for Charles Gaines.) Those seven players are fighting against each other for two spots, as the Spurs have 13 guaranteed contracts other than they, with only Jacque Vaughn being expendable. Sham's prediction: If only for the level of guaranteed money, Stoudamire and Tolliver are the front runners for the two spots, but Desmon Farmer has NBA talent and a modicum of experience. The Spurs don't need both Green and Hairston, and arguably don't need either. Watkins gives the Spurs some size and shotblocking, but they don't particularly need either right now. What they could use is another shooter, which looks doubly good for Stoudamire. Counting against Salim is his small stature, something which Farmer isn't burdened with. But the level of guaranteed money infers that the Spurs aren't too bothered about that. Gaines hasn't a chance.

[tav1]

I just read on realgm forum that shamsport has given the guarantee salaries for training camp invite :

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/2008/10/third-prize-is-youre-fired.jsp

According to sham, Juan Dixon is not a definite to make the Wizards roster, either. He's probable but not definite. The Spurs could have signed him this summer, so I assume they don't like him. But you never know.

If (big If) Hill is active on opening day, I don't think the Spurs are limited to only Vaughn and Stoudamire as third point options.

They could waive or trade Vaughn to create space for someone like Stoudamire or Dixon (if he's waived by Washington). They could potentially trade Bonner and Vaughn to Milwaukee for Damon Jones, who will be waived later this month if they don't find a trade partner. And Farmer has a fighting chance. The Jones option has the advantage of bringing in a vet player who can space the floor while unloading Bonner for an expiring contract. It would also create a roster space if the Spurs wanted to keep Hairston or Farmer for Austin. Or, if they wanted to use their trade exception for someone like Daequen Cook.

If I were a betting person, I'd wager on an opening day roster of Parker-Vaughn-Hill, but I wouldn't be floored to see any of the above names on the roster if Hill performs well.

A lot riding on Hill, then.

If I were in the FO, I'd lobby for the Jones option and try to use the trade exception on either Cook or Shawne Williams. But while I think the odds are good that Milwaukee would bite, it's impossible to know these things. If the Spurs couldn't get Williams or Cook, I'd use the open roster spot on someone for Austin.

[Bruno]

Shamsports has tons of great infos about salaries :
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/spurs.jsp
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/notes/spurs.htm


Spurs' 08-09 salaries :
Tim Duncan -- $20,598,704
Tony Parker -- $11,550,000
Manu Ginobili -- $9,905,248
Kurt Thomas -- $4,200,000
Bruce Bowen -- $4,000,000
Fabricio Oberto -- $3,600,000
Roger Mason -- $3,500,000
Matt Bonner -- $2,978,000
Michael Finley -- $2,500,000
Jacque Vaughn - $1,262,275
Ime Udoka - $1,080,000
George Hill - $1,006,200
Ian Mahinmi - $841,000
Desmon Farmer - $797,581
Anthony Tolliver - $711,517 ($797,581 against the tax)
Salim Stoudamire* - $200,000
Daryl Watkins* - $20,000
Malik Hairston* - $2,601
Brian Morrison* - $0
Charles Gaines* - $0
Devin Green* - $0
TOTAL -- $68,853,126 for 15 players. ($68,939,590 against the tax)

Some comments :

- I'm assuming Hairston, Morrison and Gaines deal were full unguaranteed. Hairston get one day of salary because of the waivers rule.

- Spurs are $2.2M bellow the luxury tax. They can go as far as $3.2M if they waive Farmer and Tolliver.

- Tolliver get $200K guaranteed, that is to say 47 days of salaries. Spurs have zero financial interest to waive him before December 13th.

- Tolliver has one year of NBA service because he was cut by Cavs one day after the start of the season. If Cavs had cut him a couple of days sooner, his salary would be $270K lower.

- Farmer has two years of NBA service. He plays in 06-07 for Seattle. The 04-05 years count also for him as a year of service because it was under the old CBA and rules weren't the same. This extra year of service raises his salary by $80K. He also isn't D-League eligible.

- At the end of the season the cost to keep Farmer and Tolliver during SL will be $25K for each. If Spurs want to keep them for the training camp, it will be significantly more expensive : $200K for Tolliver and $325K for Farmer.

- If the economical crisis hit the NBA, Spurs could face some luxury tax trouble next year. Even by taking the cheap road the team salary will be around $70M. Spurs have been wise to give a flat or decreasing structure to some of theirs players 'contracts.

- Mahinmi first year was at 80% of the rookie scale because of the luxury tax. The rest of his rookie contract is at 100% of the rookie scale. Spurs have still 4 days to pick a $900K option for the 09-10 year.

- Hill contract has been made with the 2010 plan in head. He is paid 120% of the rookie scale the first couple of years but only 80% for 2010-2011. By doing that Spurs will have a little more cap space available in 2010.

[lurker23]

Thanks Bruno. :tu

A few observations from my end on this year and a couple years down the line:

-The fact that Farmer is ineligible for the D-League is an interesting one. I'd still say Tolliver is a given to head to Austin once their season starts (assuming everyone else on the front line is healthy), but I don't know if he'll have a fellow Spur up there with him. The only way that would happen is if Hill or Mahinmi have failed to integrate themselves for one reason or another; even still, a Tolliver/Mahinmi Austin combo is improbable unless the roster changes somehow. I still expect Farmer to spend much of the year on the inactive list, but he could see some decent playing time if any of the 2/3 players get hurt.

-This year's team is basically the same one we'll see next year, save for one or two pieces at the end of the bench. The only way this changes is if there is a trade or they bring in a significant piece via the MLE.

-The job the Spurs have done at freeing up cap space for 2010 is impressive. They only have 4 players on contract right now (Duncan, Parker, and possibly Hill and Mahinmi), and I suspect that the only two names that will be added to that list are Ginobili (who I still think will get an extension this year or next year) and Udoka (who I expect to be resigned to a 3 year contract this offseason, with the possibility of stepping into the starting SF role if Bowen retires in two years). Barring any trades or an MLE signing next year, here is the roster going into the 2010 summer:

Parker / Hill / ?
(Ginobili) / ? / ?
(Udoka) / ? / ?
Duncan / Mahinmi / ?
? / ? / ?

(Note: Relatively minimum contracts via free agency or 2nd round draft picks next year are also possible.)

[smeagol]

$3MM for Bonner . . . great!

[Spurs Brazil]

Thanks for the information Bruno

So no D-League for Farmer.

[tp2021]

When does the Beno TE expire?

EDIT: The search feature is my friend.

$1.847M that expires on Oct. 29th. It's probably not going to be used.

[ducks]

spurs always sign their picks with less then the 120 like most teams

[urunobili]

damn letting the Beno TE go out without shipping a player makes me feel uneasy... :depressed

[tav1]

Thanks Bruno. :tu

A few observations from my end on this year and a couple years down the line:

-The fact that Farmer is ineligible for the D-League is an interesting one. I'd still say Tolliver is a given to head to Austin once their season starts (assuming everyone else on the front line is healthy), but I don't know if he'll have a fellow Spur up there with him. The only way that would happen is if Hill or Mahinmi have failed to integrate themselves for one reason or another; even still, a Tolliver/Mahinmi Austin combo is improbable unless the roster changes somehow. I still expect Farmer to spend much of the year on the inactive list, but he could see some decent playing time if any of the 2/3 players get hurt.

-This year's team is basically the same one we'll see next year, save for one or two pieces at the end of the bench. The only way this changes is if there is a trade or they bring in a significant piece via the MLE.

-The job the Spurs have done at freeing up cap space for 2010 is impressive. They only have 4 players on contract right now (Duncan, Parker, and possibly Hill and Mahinmi), and I suspect that the only two names that will be added to that list are Ginobili (who I still think will get an extension this year or next year) and Udoka (who I expect to be resigned to a 3 year contract this offseason, with the possibility of stepping into the starting SF role if Bowen retires in two years). Barring any trades or an MLE signing next year, here is the roster going into the 2010 summer:

Parker / Hill / ?
(Ginobili) / ? / ?
(Udoka) / ? / ?
Duncan / Mahinmi / ?
? / ? / ?

(Note: Relatively minimum contracts via free agency or 2nd round draft picks next year are also possible.)

Good thoughts, both of you.

Gist and Javtokas are low dollar possible additions next summer. I expect nothing but trades and draft and stash players through the draft. I also think there is an outside possibility the Spurs add Hairston to their roster next season---far outside, depending on whether or not he joins the Toros. At any rate, your point still stands.

[DPG21920]

Wonder if it is a lock pick up the option on Ian? It is less than a milliion, but nothing really happens if you do not, he becomes a RFA.

[hater]

Fabri making some paper!

[Bruno]

Wonder if it is a lock pick up the option on Ian? It is less than a milliion, but nothing really happens if you do not, he becomes a RFA.

No, he will be an unrestricted free agent.

[DPG21920]

No, he will be an unrestricted free agent.

Ok, thanks.

[Spurs Brazil]

No, he will be an unrestricted free agent.

He makes so little money. Spurs must pick his option

[Bruno]

He makes so little money. Spurs must pick his option

Agree.
To me, picking his option is a no-brainer and I will be really surprised if Spurs don't do it.
However, he will have to show good things in NBA this year if he wants to have his 2010-2011 option picked. His 2010-2011 salary will be bigger and it will hurt the 2010 capspace.

[galvatron3000]

San Antonio Spurs
Player Salary YR

Matt Bonner $2,978,000 2
Bruce Bowen $4,000,000 2
Tim Duncan $20,598,704 4
Desmon Farmer (TR) $797,581 2
Michael Finley (TR) $2,500,000 1
Manu Ginobili $9,905,248 2
George Hill $1,006,200 2
Ian Mahinmi $841,000 1
Roger Mason (TR) $3,500,000 2
Fabricio Oberto $3,600,000 2
Tony Parker $11,550,000 3
Kurt Thomas (TR) $4,200,000 2
Anthony Tolliver (TR) $711,517 2
Ime Udoka $1,080,000 1
Jacque Vaughn $1,262,275 1

Spurs Payroll: $67,733,194

Cap Room: $-9,053,194

[TILDEN]

yea thats alot money maybe they can hire a shooting coach or rebouding coach tim 20,000,000 million a year an just shoot 68%

[Bruno]

Update :

Spurs' 08-09 salaries :
Tim Duncan -- $20,598,704
Tony Parker -- $11,550,000
Manu Ginobili -- $9,905,248
Kurt Thomas -- $4,200,000
Bruce Bowen -- $4,000,000
Fabricio Oberto -- $3,600,000
Roger Mason -- $3,500,000
Matt Bonner -- $2,978,000
Michael Finley -- $2,500,000
Jacque Vaughn - $1,262,275
Ime Udoka - $1,080,000
George Hill - $1,006,200
Ian Mahinmi - $841,000
Malik Hairston - $299,077 ($539,540 against the tax)
Anthony Tolliver* - $309,716 ($347,182 against the tax)
Salim Stoudamire* - $200,000
Blake Ahearn* - $133,933 ($150,133 against the tax)
Desmon Farmer* - $103,216
Daryl Watkins* - $20,000
Malik Hairston* - $2,601
Brian Morrison* - $0
Charles Gaines* - $0
Devin Green* - $0
TOTAL -- $68,169,970 for 15 players. ($68,484,099 against the tax)

Spurs are $2,665,901 below the tax.

[BlackBellamy]

Update :

Spurs' 08-09 salaries :
Tim Duncan -- $20,598,704
Tony Parker -- $11,550,000
Manu Ginobili -- $9,905,248
Kurt Thomas -- $4,200,000
Bruce Bowen -- $4,000,000
Fabricio Oberto -- $3,600,000
Roger Mason -- $3,500,000
Matt Bonner -- $2,978,000
Michael Finley -- $2,500,000
Jacque Vaughn - $1,262,275
Ime Udoka - $1,080,000
George Hill - $1,006,200
Ian Mahinmi - $841,000
Malik Hairston - $299,077 ($539,540 against the tax)
Anthony Tolliver* - $309,716 ($347,182 against the tax)
Salim Stoudamire* - $200,000
Blake Ahearn* - $133,933 ($150,133 against the tax)
Desmon Farmer* - $103,216
Daryl Watkins* - $20,000
Malik Hairston* - $2,601
Brian Morrison* - $0
Charles Gaines* - $0
Devin Green* - $0
TOTAL -- $68,169,970 for 15 players. ($68,484,099 against the tax)

Spurs are $2,665,901 below the tax.

Hairston's only making two grand? really?

[CubanMustGo]

Hairston's only making two grand? really?

Not sure why but you'll notice there are two lines for Malik, in the first one he's making $300K (and costs nearly 2x that against the cap).

[Bruno]

Hairston's only making two grand? really?

There are two lines for Hairston.

The * line is when Spurs waived Hairston at the end of the training camp. They had to give him one day of salary because they waived him very late in the training camp.

The other is Hairston current contract.

* are for waived players.

[BlackBellamy]

There are two lines for Hairston.

The * line is when Spurs waived Hairston at the end of the training camp. They had to give him one day of salary because they waived him very late in the training camp.

The other is Hairston current contract.

* are for waived players.
Aha, thank you for the clarification.