Spurs Sign Roger Mason Jr.

[AFBlue]

I'll say it again. The Spurs are going to have a ton of options in terms of assets at the trade deadline. People will want players like this with short contracts that can be bought out or make the team. The free agents this year sucked ass, except for Corey, and when we missed out on him the Spurs needed to look at filling some holes for the short term, basically taking out a flyer on a bunch of youth, and seeing how the team develops through the season.

Players like JR Smith and Pietrius are good but ultimately not championship material.
Players like Udoka, Ian, Mason, Thomas, Hill, and Gist will be combine to make a great package if the right player becomes available at the deadline.

What assets do the Spurs have?

They've got Bonner with another year after this on his deal at $3M. They've got no legitimate expiring contracts and no real prospects outside of Mahinmi to deal with.

I don't believe they have their first round pick in 2009 either, though I may be mistaken.

Spurs are in no position to add any "impact" players via trade unless someone is willing to take crap in return. The MLE was their best chance and as of right now it looks like the best they'll come up with is Roger Mason...not exactly awe-inspiring.

[benefactor]

Yeah I wish spanking the dumbness out of someone was possible because you'd be my number one project.
Lol...classic.

[mardigan]

No one knows what this guy can do in a winning system with a great big man to open him up. If he shot 40% from the 3 point line on a shitty Wizards team who dont pass the ball, I just wonder how well he could shoot if he had consistent open looks.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Fuck you and that tard Aggiefan. I watch more bball than both of you combined. If you are expecting Mason to be a savior then you are fools. With the kind of money the Spurs had to spend, they can not afford an impact player. Did Mason get any mention of all defensive teams ever? He was an average signing for below average money, that does nothing to help the Spurs get better...he helps them maintain.

Oooh, the 'I watch more games than you logic.'

Where have I said I expect Mason to be our savior? Show me, dumbass.

Even if you don't like Mason, he is a better signing than Pietrus for the MLE would have been.

And how do you know the Spurs didn't already talk to Smith and his reps and figure out he wasn't interested? You don't.

I am pissed they didn't go after Azubuike, but them going after Mason one year after trying to sign him to a three year deal isn't exactly shocking.

Unfortunately dipshits like you get a hard on for some clown because you saw him dunk once on Sportscenter so you can't pull your head out of your ass long enough to comprehend the Spurs signing someone other than the guy that YOU wanted and YOU thought was the best fit.

[Marcus Bryant]

I've subscribed to League Pass for some time and haven't had the time nor the inclination to view every game every night.

[DPG21920]

Pietrus sucks, move on.

My masters degree would beg to disagree with you. I guarantee that I have more education than most people on here. T Park, you are always a dick, that is why your name is on the thread of people that want to fight you.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Mason is a 2. That he has point guard skills is a plus. Pietrus for 5 years is a panic move and the Spurs weren't going to get him for less than that.





Mason is a small 2. Yeah I'm aware that the Spurs want some flexibility in the near future when they have max money to offer, but I'm just sort of dissappointed that this offseason has turned out like this, my fault for having hopes up with the maggette/azubuike/barnes/ even delfino talk.



So they keep Barry and Thomas. Meanwhile they've replaced Finley and added very athletic backups at the 1 and 4.

Atheletic? Yes. But let's hope that Ian/Hill can provide something else besides atheleticism, I'm confident/hopeful that Ian can and I'm optimistic that Hill can but we'll have to wait and see. Hopefully GIst and Hairston impress Spurs during camp/summer league/whatever.

So we're basically the same with a younger version of Finley and hoping that the draft picks and Ian pan out. Same as last year, but we were an injured Manu away from the finals so I guess you can't say it's that bad.

[vy65]

I'm wondering: if we had signed brent barry for 2 yrs/7.5mil - we'd all be pretty fucking livid. For all those out there that are fans of R-Mas, you're paying that much for a BB who hasn't had the benefit of 4 years of experience in one of the hardest systems to learn in the league, and simultaneously shutting down any hope of getting an athletic combo guard who could grab more than 2 boards a game.

That's what we call Epic Fail.

[rj215]

I you retarded? That was the worst comparison. Finley still plays. You bandwagon fucks. You just think Finley is completely washed up and incapable of playing still....



Put down the crack pipe and get help....if you still think Finley should be on the Spurs...

[MannyIsGod]

My masters degree would beg to disagree with you. I guarantee that I have more education than most people on here. T Park, you are always a dick, that is why your name is on the thread of people that want to fight you.

All your masters degree proves to me is that our education system really fucking sucks.

[mardigan]

My masters degree would beg to disagree with you. I guarantee that I have more education than most people on here. T Park, you are always a dick, that is why your name is on the thread of people that want to fight you.

:lol at master degree smack.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Its called NBA League Pass, your cheap ass should cough up the dough to get it. Or call your one friend and go half on it..

<------ Also has League Pass.

So what's your fucking argument now, dipshit?

[Spurs Brazil]

Personal


Full name is Roger Phillip Mason, Jr.
A member of the Bulls All-Star reading team with mother Marsha Mason-Wonsley.
Stepfather Otis Wonsley is a former running back for the Washington Redskins.
Led Good Counsel HS in Wheaton, MD to a school-record 29 wins and No. 19 ranking in the USA Today Super 25 list.
Scored 1,426 points in high school career.
Named one of the Top 50 High School Players in the country as a senior by Hoop Scoop and Fastbreak magazines.
Lists his favorite video game as Tiger Woods golf.
Names his favorite NBA players as Michael Jordan, Isiah Thomas, Joe Dumars, Bill Russell and James Worthy.
Chicken Alfredo is his favorite meal.
His favorite magazine is SLAM.

[AFBlue]

Sadly, my hope rests with Malik Hairston realizing the potential that made him a top-10 prospect out of high school, tearing it up in Summer League, and becoming a contributor in the next couple years to this squad.

He's got the talent and the all-around game, but hasn't put it together yet. I think it's unrealistic to expect him to do so, but at this point that's what I'm holding on to for the "youth movement" at the wings.

[mardigan]

[QUOTE=Aggie Hoopsfan;2653320]

I am pissed they didn't go after Azubuike, but them going after Mason one year after trying to sign him to a three year deal isn't exactly shocking.

QUOTE]

And thats what really makes me like this move. The Spurs arent going to go after a guy 2 years in a row with a multiple year deal if they arent sure he is going to fit their system and help contribute.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Look at the difference in prices dumbass!

I'd rather waste the full MLE on pietrus who fits what the spurs need rather than a small 2 who the spurs might possibley end up trading or not work out.

[DPG21920]

:lol

Self pwnage is always the best kind.

That was on purpose genius...

If that is your real picture than you are as dumb as you look!

[Buddy Holly]

My masters degree would beg to disagree with you. I guarantee that I have more education than most people on here. T Park, you are always a dick, that is why your name is on the thread of people that want to fight you.

You quote TPark saying Pietrus sucks and respond with that?

I think I know where you got your masters from.

http://www.hillbillyuniversity.net/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/camologo.jpg.w300h244.jpg

I believe your mascot is the Fighting Moonpie.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

All your masters degree proves to me is that our education system really fucking sucks.

Doesn't ITTTech offer a Master's? :spin

LMAO at how quickly DumbassPosterGeek has gone from "I really feel like this guy is better than Mason" to "I have League Pass, therefore I know more" to "I have a Master's degree, I is smart."

[samikeyp]

My masters degree would beg to disagree with you. I guarantee that I have more education than most people on here. T Park, you are always a dick, that is why your name is on the thread of people that want to fight you.

Just the fact that there is a list of people who want to fight people because of a message board shows the number of mental midgets who have access to a computer. :lol

[mardigan]

That was on purpose genius...

If that is your real picture than you are as dumb as you look!

I you retarded?

[Buddy Holly]

I you retarded?

Don't you know, all the cool kids are doing it now. :toast

[Sherlock Holmes]

Spurs fans haven't seen Pietrus play a whole season to claim whether or not he is dumb. I mean Spur fans were overly happy that we signed Elson, but then we found out he was dumb and threw him under the bus. Don't judge before you know. Infact the only reason Spurs fans think Pieturs is dumb is because Timvp said he was dumb then a long list of responses happend agreeing with him without any knowledge about pietrus.

[samikeyp]

Ok, forgive me because I didn't want to plow through 11 pages while manning the front desk here at work. :)

This guy is a PG who can also play the 2? Is the consensus here that he will primarily play SG?

Thank you, drive through. ;)

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Ok, forgive me because I didn't want to plow through 11 pages while manning the front desk here at work. :)

This guy is a PG who can also play the 2? Is the consensus here that he will primarily play SG?

Thank you, drive through. ;)

I would say it's the other way around. He's a 2 that can play point guard as well.

[Marcus Bryant]

Mason is a small 2. Yeah I'm aware that the Spurs want some flexibility in the near future when they have max money to offer, but I'm just sort of dissappointed that this offseason has turned out like this, my fault for having hopes up with the maggette/azubuike/barnes/ even delfino talk.

Maggette was a longshot for which the Spurs needed multiple events to occur for them to have a chance. Azuikikiiieieie and Delfino are RFAs (Spurs could conceivably pull off a S&T for Delfino.) Barnes isn't much of a hot property either and who knows? Maybe they could still land him. This is the first day free agents can sign, no?




Atheletic? Yes. But let's hope that Ian/Hill can provide something else besides atheleticism, I'm confident/hopeful that Ian can and I'm optimistic that Hill can but we'll have to wait and see. Hopefully GIst and Hairston impress Spurs during camp/summer league/whatever.

So we're basically the same with a younger version of Finley and hoping that the draft picks and Ian pan out. Same as last year, but we were an injured Manu away from the finals so I guess you can't say it's that bad.

Spurs had to replenish the supporting cast at some point. Offering limited $ their free agent pool isn't that big. At least now they won't be saddled with big long term deals for their supporting cast.

[AFBlue]

Ok, forgive me because I didn't want to plow through 11 pages while manning the front desk here at work. :)

This guy is a PG who can also play the 2? Is the consensus here that he will primarily play SG?

Thank you, drive through. ;)

He's a 2-guard that played PG for the Wizards when Arenas went down.

[Buddy Holly]

Spurs fans haven't seen Pietrus play a whole season to claim whether or not he is dumb. I mean Spur fans were overly happy that we signed Elson, but then we found out he was dumb and threw him under the bus. Don't judge before you know.

Pietrus hasn't played a whole season? What?

[mardigan]

The fact that he can play some point is encouraging as well. If for some reason Hill doesnt pan out it will be nice to have a guy who can keep Vaughn off the floor.

[MannyIsGod]

That was on purpose genius...

If that is your real picture than you are as dumb as you look!

I you retarded?

[DespЏrado]

What assets do the Spurs have?

They've got Bonner with another year after this on his deal at $3M. They've got no legitimate expiring contracts and no real prospects outside of Mahinmi to deal with.

I don't believe they have their first round pick in 2009 either, though I may be mistaken.

Spurs are in no position to add any "impact" players via trade unless someone is willing to take crap in return. The MLE was their best chance and as of right now it looks like the best they'll come up with is Roger Mason...not exactly awe-inspiring.

You don't always have to have impact players to get an impact player at the deadline. You need a combination of youthful potential, short term contracts that can be added to match salaries, and/ or solid players that can fill in a teams needs.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Spurs fans haven't seen Pietrus play a whole season to claim whether or not he is dumb. I mean Spur fans were overly happy that we signed Elson, but then we found out he was dumb and threw him under the bus. Don't judge before you know.

You're talking about a guy in Pietrus who argued that he deserved the max after averaging 11 and 5 in 2006-2007. He's a fucking idiot.

Plenty have seen him play long enough to know he's got a bag of rocks rumbling around inside his head.

[MannyIsGod]

Spurs fans haven't seen Pietrus play a whole season to claim whether or not he is dumb. I mean Spur fans were overly happy that we signed Elson, but then we found out he was dumb and threw him under the bus. Don't judge before you know. Infact the only reason Spurs fans think Pieturs is dumb is because Timvp said he was dumb then a long list of responses happend agreeing with him without any knowledge about pietrus.

So you're saying Pietrus = Elson?

[Sherlock Holmes]

Pietrus hasn't played a whole season? What?

Spurs fans have not seen Pietrus play a whole season, unless if your a spurs fan who actively watched every GS game 2-3 seasons ago, so nobody here knows how he plays exactly or if he is dumb. Timvp said he was dumb then everybody else agreed. Everybody was happy that we signed elson, but it took us a season of watching him with the spurs to figure out if he was dumb or not, Spurs don't know if Pietrus is dumb or not, so HTF can Spur fans who haven't seen Pietrus play know he is dumb?

[DPG21920]

Doesn't ITTTech offer a Master's? :spin

LMAO at how quickly DumbassPosterGeek has gone from "I really feel like this guy is better than Mason" to "I have League Pass, therefore I know more" to "I have a Master's degree, I is smart."

Is this seriously coming from an Aggie!

I said watch the games, which I do because I have League Pass. If you watched the Wizards you can see that he was not even a top 3 defender on that team, those honors would go to: Stevenson, Butler and Haywood

About my masters degree comment, that was in response to calling me retarded. Being a "mental-midget" is acting like you are superior or being an elitist prick because someone has a different opinion of you. The same group of people (T-Park, Aggiefan and Manny) always act like assholes to everyone.

Yes I have a masters degree, yes I am smart and for you to infer that I am "retarded" or that "our educational system sucks" because of my comments about Roger Mason is extremely short-sighted, narrow-minded and disrespectful...

[AFBlue]

You don't always have to have impact players to get an impact player at the deadline. You need a combination of youthful potential, short term contracts that can be added to match salaries, and/ or solid players that can fill in a teams needs.

I understand the logic, but I think looking at the roster you will see the $5M+ from the MLE gave the Spurs a much better chance at getting an impact player than any combination of youthful potential, short-term contracts, and veterans.

Keep in mind, the Spurs will likely have to use their players with youthful potential and short-term contract.

[Buddy Holly]

Spurs fans have not seen Pietrus play a whole season, unless if your a spurs fan who actively watched every GS game 2-3 seasons ago, so nobody here knows how he plays exactly or if he is dumb. Timvp said he was dumb then everybody else agreed. Everybody was happy that we signed elson, but it took us a season of watching him with the spurs to figure out if he was dumb or not, Spurs don't know if Pietrus is dumb or not, so HTF can Spur fans who haven't seen Pietrus play know he is dumb?

You really don't need to watch 82 games every season to understand how a player is.

Really, you don't.

[manufor3]

Oh boy, no brent for 08-09

[Marcus Bryant]

I understand the logic, but I think looking at the roster you will see the $5M+ from the MLE gave the Spurs a much better chance at getting an impact player than any combination of youthful potential, short-term contracts, and veterans.

Keep in mind, the Spurs will likely have to use their players with youthful potential and short-term contract.

Draft picks offer the potential for an "impact" player too, no?

[Sherlock Holmes]

So you're saying Pietrus = Elson?

Maybe or maybe not? who knows if he is dumb or not. I'll I'm saying is that I thought Pietrus fit the bill of what the Spurs needed more than Mason. It's a shame spurs couldn't come to a better agreement, but if I had to I would experiment with Pietrus at the full MLE.



You're talking about a guy in Pietrus who argued that he deserved the max after averaging 11 and 5 in 2006-2007. He's a fucking idiot.

Plenty have seen him play long enough to know he's got a bag of rocks rumbling around inside his head.
Yeah he probably is a moron, but we don't know for sure that he is exactly a moron on the court as everybody says. I haven't seen Warrior fans or people who have consistently watched the warriors play voice the same opnions.

[MannyIsGod]

Is this seriously coming from an Aggie!

I said watch the games, which I do because I have League Pass. If you watched the Wizards you can see that he was not even a top 3 defender on that team, those honors would go to: Stevenson, Butler and Haywood

About my masters degree comment, that was in response to calling me retarded. Being a "mental-midget" is acting like you are superior or being an elitist prick because someone has a different opinion of you. The same group of people (T-Park, Aggiefan and Manny) always act like assholes to everyone.

Yes I have a masters degree, yes I am smart and for you to infer that I am "retarded" or that "our educational system sucks" because of my comments about Roger Mason is extremely short-sighted, narrow-minded and disrespectful...

I you retarded?

[Sherlock Holmes]

You really don't need to watch 82 games every season to understand how a player is.

Really, you don't.

Okay the 3 games fans watched the Spurs play against the Warriors are not a good indicator.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Is this seriously coming from an Aggie!

I said watch the games, which I do because I have League Pass. If you watched the Wizards you can see that he was not even a top 3 defender on that team, those honors would go to: Stevenson, Butler and Haywood

About my masters degree comment, that was in response to calling me retarded. Being a "mental-midget" is acting like you are superior or being an elitist prick because someone has a different opinion of you. The same group of people (T-Park, Aggiefan and Manny) always act like assholes to everyone.

Yes I have a masters degree, yes I am smart and for you to infer that I am "retarded" or that "our educational system sucks" because of my comments about Roger Mason is extremely short-sighted, narrow-minded and disrespectful...

You don't need a master's degree to understand that he isn't being brought to SA to be a Bowen replacement, he's being brought here to score points, which if his time as a starter in Washington is any indication (17 PPG), he does very well.

Stick that in your diploma and smoke it.

[Buddy Holly]

I you retarded?

That's seriously going in someone's sig. Maybe under someone's handle. Fuck, that's getting printed on some t-shirts.

[L.I.T]

The fact that he can play some point is encouraging as well. If for some reason Hill doesnt pan out it will be nice to have a guy who can keep Vaughn off the floor.

and he may be able to play off of Manu for a big backcourt look. A plus is, if he's starting he can help alleviate some of the pressure on tony; something the spurs had trouble with with finley back there.

[MannyIsGod]

Maybe or maybe not? who knows if he is dumb or not. I'll I'm saying is that I thought Pietrus fit the bill of what the Spurs needed more than Mason. It's a shame spurs couldn't come to a better agreement, but if I had to I would experiment with Pietrus at the full MLE.


Yeah he probably is a moron, but we don't know for sure that he is exactly a moron on the court as everybody says. I haven't seen Warrior fans or people who have consistently watched the warriors play voice the same opnions.

Its not just the full MLE

ITS THE FULL MLE FOR FIVE FUCKING YEARS!

I don't think you understand what that means.

[DPG21920]

I you retarded?

Yes, it was supposed to be funny...some jokes obviously miss the mark, I am not a comedian...

[AFBlue]

I would say it's the other way around. He's a 2 that can play point guard as well.

He fills the "Barry" role pretty well....except that his outside shot is not nearly as reliable, and that's what scares me.

For a guy who really plays the SG position to have one decent year of shooting in four, I wonder how much the Spurs can count on him to knock down shots consistently.

He should play decent defense, but that wasn't necessarily the Spurs' issue last year.

I wish the Spurs had gotten a more reliable shooter, but we'll see if he can continue building on his improved stroke from last season.

[angelbelow]

oh wow, im glad we acted fast.

[tav1]

My masters degree would beg to disagree with you. I guarantee that I have more education than most people on here. T Park, you are always a dick, that is why your name is on the thread of people that want to fight you.

wtf do we care? I have two graduate degrees and it means nothing for my basketball acumen. Completely unimportant. The only reason to talk about such things is to scratch your asshole itch.

I'm sorry, wait. You have a masters degree... What I mean to say is, "it's a real privelage to have you on the board. You're brighter than all of us. Do you mind if we chime in once in awhile or would you rather we just find a place near your feet and listen?"

[Buddy Holly]

Okay the 3 games fans watched the Spurs play against the Warriors are not a good indicator.

Ok, completely avoid the point of what I said and come up with some asinine interpretation.

[Marcus Bryant]

He fills the "Barry" role pretty well....except that his outside shot is not nearly as reliable, and that's what scares me.

For a guy who really plays the SG position to have one decent year of shooting in four, I wonder how much the Spurs can count on him to knock down shots consistently.

He should play decent defense, but that wasn't necessarily the Spurs' issue last year.

I wish the Spurs had gotten a more reliable shooter, but we'll see if he can continue building on his improved stroke from last season.

Maybe they could re-sign Barry for 5 years and pump him full of Botox.

[Buddy Holly]

I am not a comedian...

Fuck, could me you fool.

[mardigan]

and he may be able to play off of Manu for a big backcourt look. A plus is, if he's starting he can help alleviate some of the pressure on tony; something the spurs had trouble with with finley back there.

Totally agree. Mason will be a guy that can bring up the ball a lot so teams wont be able to just key on Tony after he gets past half-court.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Its not just the full MLE

ITS THE FULL MLE FOR FIVE FUCKING YEARS!

I don't think you understand what that means.

I do understand it was for 5 years and spurs were reluctant because wanted 2 years so they didn't have to be tangled with ongoing/long salary contracts in the near future where they have a lot of money to throw around. But I'm looking for the next season. In a long term sense spurs made a good decision, but all I am saying is that I would test out Pietrus for the full MLE next season, (this does not mean I would sign him to a 5 year contract.) and I'm also saying that IMO Pietrus > Mason, but this is all moot, because we signed Mason and Pietrus went to the magic so fuck him and all we can hope for is the best and that mason is balls it up lol

[coopdogg3]

I you retarded?

All Ur Base Are Belong to Us

[manufor3]

wtf do we care? I have two graduate degrees and it means nothing for my basketball acumen. Completely unimportant. The only reason to talk about such things is to scratch your asshole itch.

I'm sorry, wait. You have a masters degree... What I mean to say is, "it's a real privelage to have you on the board. You're brighter than all of us. Do you mind if we chime in once in awhile or would you rather we just find a place near your feet and listen?"

:lmao

[Spurs Brazil]

Here's the thoughts of Wizards fans:

Good luck to Roger, he was an asset to the Wiz and will be missed. Looks like Nick Young will have a significant role wit Wiz this season and that's a good thing in my book. Time to sign Matt Barnes.

Posted by: zxhoya | July 9, 2008 7:13 PM

Good for Roger. He will most likely get a ring next season.

Posted by: | July 9, 2008 7:19 PM

a classy player for a classy team. good luck to you, Roger. you will be missed.

Posted by: satch | July 9, 2008 7:20 PM

Yea I wish all the luck to Roger Mason. He is a class act and sure can hit a jumper. I hope he gets a good contract and hope he gets good playing time for those boring ass Spurs.

All the best to you ROGER!!!

Posted by: LooseCannon | July 9, 2008 7:20 PM

Good luck Roger!!!

Posted by: Darnell | July 9, 2008 7:37 PM

Instead if throwing all that money at Gilby, they should have kept a classy individual and true team player like Roger Mason.

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 9, 2008 7:38 PM

Mason was a goner anyways. Nick @ Nite is expected to step up and become a rotation player next season.

Best Wishes to Roger and here's hoping he does well in San Antonio

Posted by: Dat2U | July 9, 2008 7:40 PM

No chest thumping.
No screaming.
No acting.
All class.
Hope some of the Wiz learned something from him.
Good Luck, Roger

Posted by: vb fan | July 9, 2008 7:49 PM

RM was too nice, the Wiz need more spice...Go get Ricky Davis from the Heat or Bostjan Nachbar from the Nets. I believe both are UFAs.

Posted by: oddjob | July 9, 2008 7:51 PM

"They're going to get better results going all out against the weaker competition in the East than they will against the deeper stronger teams in the West."

Uh, no. They had better results going against the "deeper stronger teams in the West" than they did against the "weaker competition in the East".

"If they played a greater number of games against better, deeper, more talented teams (which they would in the West) then they would, as a matter of basic logic, have to expend more energy to beat those teams than they would to beat lesser teams in the East."

Again, wrong. As I stated earlier, and a point which you did not refute, the Celtics played with the same energy in every game, no matter the competition. Therefore, as a matter of basic logic, it does not matter what competition they're facing (whether playing the West or East), they're going to expend the same energy.

Posted by: psps23 | July 9, 2008 7:52 PM

Good to hear. He's earned it.

Posted by: Buffalo Dele | July 9, 2008 8:02 PM

Oh and by the way, good luck to Roger. Wish him almost nothing but the best (almost being the Spurs defeating the Wiz in the finals...that I can't wish for).

And equal good luck wished upon Nick Young. Time to step up.

Posted by: psps23 | July 9, 2008 8:06 PM

Here is hoping EG signs a 3 that can spell CB. Matt Barnes? Posey?

Posted by: B-More Bullets | July 9, 2008 8:19 PM

"gilbert..tell me how my @$$ tastes"

-roger mason

"baron..tell me how my @$$ tastes"

-elton brand

Posted by: DC Man88 | July 9, 2008 8:44 PM

Where do the Wizards stand on going over the luxury tax for a guy like Posey?

Posted by: Emmet | July 9, 2008 8:53 PM

GOD BLESS YOU ROGER COME back and light the wizards up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: wiz fan43 | July 9, 2008 9:08 PM

Goodluck to Roger Mason.

Posted by: Bart | July 9, 2008 9:22 PM

Congratulations! You earned it. All the best to you. Your past was only a stepping stone....bigger things ahead for sure. Remember that.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2008/07/mason_agrees_to_deal_with_san.html#comments

[DPG21920]

You don't need a master's degree to understand that he isn't being brought to SA to be a Bowen replacement, he's being brought here to score points, which if his time as a starter in Washington is any indication (17 PPG), he does very well.

Stick that in your diploma and smoke it.

If he was brought in for offense then we are really screwed. You can not look at such a small sample size to infer if he can produce those numbers on a night-in, night-out basis. I said I am indifferent about the signing. I know the Spurs were not getting a big name because of the money they had to spend. If you read my post I said he helps us maintain where we were at, he does not put us over the top. Thats all.

[mardigan]

For a guy who really plays the SG position to have one decent year of shooting in four



But dont you think that the fact the Spurs wanted to sign him to a 3 year deal before he even had his "breakout" year is kind of encouraging? I mean, they must really like the guy.

[AFBlue]

Draft picks offer the potential for an "impact" player too, no?

Spurs don't have 2009 first round pick....or is it 2010?

Either way, I just think the Spurs missed an opportunity to add an impact player by using so much of the MLE for Mason. Mason at Udoka-type money is a good value.

But you have to consider the actual cost plus the opportunity cost of using that much of the MLE on a guy who may or may not improve the overall strength of this squad.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Ok, completely avoid the point of what I said and come up with some asinine interpretation.
How many games have you watched pietrus or the warriors play? I'm pretty sure that most spurs fans have watched the warriors play very little, the 07 dallas series (where pietrus played good) and when the Spurs play the warriors. You can't objectivley say that you can determine how good a player is from watching a small number of games. If that was the case then a fan who was new to the game would think manu sucks because of the 5 games against LA.

[Buddy Holly]

Wait, Mason has better offensive numbers than Pietrus and people are pissed the Spurs didn't sign him for the entire MLE? Seriously?

[DPG21920]

That's seriously going in someone's sig. Maybe under someone's handle. Fuck, that's getting printed on some t-shirts.

Awww shit bro, that is so awesome, we should talk about it later when we play world of warcraft together....so sweet, I will make the t-shirts and you bring the hot pockets.... this is going to be so fucking hilarious...........

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I do understand it was for 5 years and spurs were reluctant because wanted 2 years so they didn't have to be tangled with ongoing/long salary contracts in the near future where they have a lot of money to throw around. But I'm looking for the next season. In a long term sense spurs made a good decision, but all I am saying is that I would test out Pietrus for the full MLE next season, (this does not mean I would sign him to a 5 year contract.) and I'm also saying that IMO Pietrus > Mason, but this is all moot, because we signed Mason and Pietrus went to the magic so fuck him and all we can hope for is the best and that mason is balls it up lol

And clearly Pietrus would have taken a one year deal for the MLE here instead of five for Orlando....

[Buddy Holly]

All Ur Base Are Belong to Us

Exactly. :lol



http://dave.joanddave.co.uk/munchkin/images_for_processing/all_your_base.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

Pietrus is a below average player making the average salary this season and much more the following four years.

We probably overpaid Mason, but we didn't fuck ourselves paying the full MLE.

[samikeyp]

I would say it's the other way around. He's a 2 that can play point guard as well.

Cool. :tu

[DPG21920]

I you retarded?

Are you seriously dogging me? You look like the fucking manager of Rooms to Go or some shit

[my2sons]

i wanted someone that could take it to the rack, thats why i liked Kelenna A., he could take it to the rack...i watched probably 50 spurs games last year, i saw maybe 20 dunks all year, seriously. and they were all duncan put back dunks. Now the know the spurs have never been a team of high flyers, but even looking at 2003, i can remember malik throwing it down on mutombo, or kevin willis putback on the lakers to humuiliate them in game 6...those are the sparks teams need to make runs...something the spurs didnt have this year. in getting mason jr., your getting another jump shooter to go along with all the other jump shooters the spurs have..that is why they go in scoring droughts, no one with the ability to get to the line and put pressure on the defense....

wow, 20 dunks and they still ended up in the wcf and a manu ankle away from the finals....hmmm

[Buddy Holly]

Awww shit bro, that is so awesome, we should talk about it later when we play world of warcraft together....so sweet, I will make the t-shirts and you bring the hot pockets.... this is going to be so fucking hilarious...........

Don't play world of warcraft. Nice try though Carrot Top.

[manufor3]

Wait, Mason has better offensive numbers than Pietrus and people are pissed the Spurs didn't sign him for the entire MLE? Seriously?

numbers aren't everything bud

[Sherlock Holmes]

And clearly Pietrus would have taken a one year deal for the MLE here instead of five for Orlando....
I'm not saying he clearly would take 1 year at the full mle, 3 years would have been nice. fuck it would be like a pipe dream if he agreed to 2, but

ALL I AM ASAYING IS THAT FOR NEXT SEASON I WOULD RATHER HAVE HAD PIETRUS THAN MASON, THAT IS ALL.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

If he was brought in for offense then we are really screwed. You can not look at such a small sample size to infer if he can produce those numbers on a night-in, night-out basis. I said I am indifferent about the signing. I know the Spurs were not getting a big name because of the money they had to spend. If you read my post I said he helps us maintain where we were at, he does not put us over the top. Thats all.

Two pages ago you were going postal, now you're indifferent? Quit being such a drama queen

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

That's seriously going in someone's sig. Maybe under someone's handle. Fuck, that's getting printed on some t-shirts.


http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/Mr_Bottomtooth/IYR.jpg

[Buddy Holly]

Are you seriously dogging me? You look like the fucking manager of Rooms to Go or some shit


I YOU RETARDED?
I YOU RETARDED?
I YOU RETARDED?
I YOU RETARDED?
I YOU RETARDED?
I YOU RETARDED?
I YOU RETARDED?
I YOU RETARDED?
I YOU RETARDED?
I YOU RETARDED?

[Sherlock Holmes]

Wait, Mason has better offensive numbers than Pietrus and people are pissed the Spurs didn't sign him for the entire MLE? Seriously?

Pietrus was injured and lost mintues to Azubikue a much superior player and barnes. Alongside with Sjax and harrington playing the same positions pietrus saw limited mintues.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I'm not saying he clearly would take 1 year at the full mle, 3 years would have been nice. fuck it would be like a pipe dream if he agreed to 2, but

ALL I AM ASAYING IS THAT FOR NEXT SEASON I WOULD RATHER HAVE HAD PIETRUS THAN MASON, THAT IS ALL.

For next season I would like to have Lebron, but it ain't happening. And neither was Pietrus on the Spurs for anything less than the full MLE for five years.

That's a mistake I'm rather glad the Spurs didn't make.

[mardigan]

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/Mr_Bottomtooth/IYR.jpg

:lol
Nice

[samikeyp]

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/Mr_Bottomtooth/IYR.jpg

:lmao Fucking hilarious! :lmao

[Buddy Holly]

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/Mr_Bottomtooth/IYR.jpg

Tear. Down. Cheek. :lol

[AFBlue]

But dont you think that the fact the Spurs wanted to sign him to a 3 year deal before he even had his "breakout" year is kind of encouraging? I mean, they must really like the guy.

Bet the three-year deal was for Udoka-type money.

Seriously, I see the skill-set and attitude. It doesn't seem like a bad signing, until you consider the opportunity cost of signing him to a deal greater than half the MLE.

I hope he works out and continues to shoot a respectable percentage...I just think it should be a red flag that the Spurs signed a Shooting Guard who has a questionable history when it comes to shooting.

[tav1]

I'm trying to take the optimistic line. I like Mason's game; he's not a bad player. But, uh, using that much of the MLE on him is worrisome and discouraging.

But, I'm going to excercise a little patience. The Spurs might know something that we don't. And they might have something else up their sleave--a basement bargain, a Matt Bonner trade, use for the TE. We'll see.

If we were able to sign Delfino or Allen, I'd feel a little better. Not earth shakers, I know. But a little more athleticism and youth to shore up the end of the bench would help.

[waly.mg]

I don´t know the transaction details, but i´m only want one thing

Every year, i want a MLE and a LLE player

[samikeyp]

For next season I would like to have Lebron, but it ain't happening. And neither was Pietrus on the Spurs for anything less than the full MLE for five years.

That's a mistake I'm rather glad the Spurs didn't make.

You mean LeBron won't take the MLE?

:hat

[Sherlock Holmes]

For next season I would like to have Lebron, but it ain't happening. And neither was Pietrus on the Spurs for anything less than the full MLE for five years.

That's a mistake I'm rather glad the Spurs didn't make.

I AGREE.

[benefactor]

This thread pwns....I needed a lift after all that happened yesterday. I love this site already.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

This thread pwns....I needed a lift after all that happened yesterday. I love this site already.

:tu

[exstatic]

Yeah and now the Spurs are stuck with Mason, because they think they can go for a big name in 2010.

So, they should go for a "name" this summer with no money to speak of, but it's foolish to do so in 2010?

[K-State Spur]

I don't think a lot of people understand how far the Spurs defense slipped last year. A lot of the scoring droughts the Spurs go through have been around since Pop started coaching this team, but the fact is their defense made little light of it since they would shut teams down. Over the years they'd gone away from players who thrived in that with the additions of Finely, Oberto, and Barry but I think this summer they've taken a step back in that direction.

I don't know if the reasoning is correct or not (we'll see next season) but I suspect the Spurs feel that their offense isn't the biggest problem at the moment but their defense is.

This is very true. Our boys weren't winning meaningful games 85-80 juggernaught that never went into slumps.

[Buddy Holly]

Pietrus was injured and lost mintues to Azubikue a much superior player and barnes. Alongside with Sjax and harrington pietrus saw limited mintues.

The best the guy has ever done is 11 in 27 minutes.

Give Mason 27 minutes a game and he'll put up more than 11.

[manufor3]

this thread is AWESOME

[DPG21920]

wtf do we care? I have two graduate degrees and it means nothing for my basketball acumen. Completely unimportant. The only reason to talk about such things is to scratch your asshole itch.

I'm sorry, wait. You have a masters degree... What I mean to say is, "it's a real privelage to have you on the board. You're brighter than all of us. Do you mind if we chime in once in awhile or would you rather we just find a place near your feet and listen?"

Why don't you read the comments before instead of taking it out of context. People on HERE are the ones that act like they are so smart and that no one should disagree with them. They are elitist and treat people with no respect. The ONLY reason I brought up my education was because he called me retarded and tried to imply I was stupid because of a Spurs forum thread. Check my threads, I have never treated people like they do, and I respect peoples opinions. I may disagree, but I never presume to make judgment calls on people and their life accomplishments based on basketball discussions.

[samikeyp]

Why don't you read the comments before instead of taking it out of context. People on HERE are the ones that act like they are so smart and that no one should disagree with them. They are elitist and treat people with no respect. The ONLY reason I brought up my education was because he called me retarded and tried to imply I was stupid because of a Spurs forum thread. Check my threads, I have never treated people like they do, and I respect peoples opinions. I may disagree, but I never presume to make judgment calls on people and their life accomplishments based on basketball discussions.

says the person who just painted an entire message board as elitist.

[manufor3]

Why don't you read the comments before instead of taking it out of context. People on HERE are the ones that act like they are so smart and that no one should disagree with them. They are elitist and treat people with no respect. The ONLY reason I brought up my education was because he called me retarded and tried to imply I was stupid because of a Spurs forum thread. Check my threads, I have never treated people like they do, and I respect peoples opinions. I may disagree, but I never presume to make judgment calls on people and their life accomplishments based on basketball discussions.

im sorry man, but that's a weaker response than you needed

[Sherlock Holmes]

So, they should go for a "name" this summer with no money to speak of, but it's foolish to do so in 2010?

Well as far as I see it spurs will have max money to throw around which is pretty powerful, but i know it sounds redundant, but our market isn't that big. Getting Lebron, Melo, Wade or any of the other top 04 draft class is a pipe dream. I'm not too sure who else is availabe taht year. but I expect the Spurs not to sign one big player to the max that year, but a couple of really good role players to fill in what the spurs need in key spots.

[mardigan]

Why don't you read the comments before instead of taking it out of context. People on HERE are the ones that act like they are so smart and that no one should disagree with them. They are elitist and treat people with no respect. The ONLY reason I brought up my education was because he called me retarded and tried to imply I was stupid because of a Spurs forum thread. Check my threads, I have never treated people like they do, and I respect peoples opinions. I may disagree, but I never presume to make judgment calls on people and their life accomplishments based on basketball discussions.

People will jump on anyone claiming Finley still has game.

[Buddy Holly]

Why don't you read the comments before instead of taking it out of context. People on HERE are the ones that act like they are so smart and that no one should disagree with them. They are elitist and treat people with no respect. The ONLY reason I brought up my education was because he called me retarded and tried to imply I was stupid because of a Spurs forum thread. Check my threads, I have never treated people like they do, and I respect peoples opinions. I may disagree, but I never presume to make judgment calls on people and their life accomplishments based on basketball discussions.

http://thestormydaysofmarch.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/tiniest-violin.jpg

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

says the person who just painted an entire message board as elitist.

* Called certain people retards

* Insinuated he was smarter than me because I'm an Aggie

* Calls the whole board elitist

Yep, no hypocrisy in his comments...

[Sherlock Holmes]

The best the guy has ever done is 11 in 27 minutes.

Give Mason 27 minutes a game and he'll put up more than 11.

I hope he does. that's why I said it is all moot with alll this ongoing talk about pietrus. I hope mason tears it up. All i said was that I thought pietrus was better than mason. people should have just read that and accepted it as one man's opnion, but people here are fiesty.

[DPG21920]

I said 3 people on here were elitist: TPark, Aggie and Manny, that is all. Most people are cool.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

* Called certain people retards

* Insinuated he was smarter than me because I'm an Aggie

* Calls the whole board elitist

Yep, no hypocrisy in his comments...

Time to update that sig. :(

[mardigan]

I hope mason tears it up.

:toast
Agreed

[Spurs Brazil]

Roger Mason's New Tattoo
Wizards guard Roger Mason Jr. unveiled his new tattoo yesterday, which runs all up and down his left upper arm and shoulder.

"That's blazin'," DeShawn Stevenson said when he first saw it.


The full image from a distance. (By Sports Bog)I guess I knew that Roger had been thinking of getting a new tattoo to honor his father, although I had forgotten. Flash back to the first day of training camp in Richmond, when Roger's place on the team was not yet secured, and when I wrote this:

Roger Mason Jr. wants to get a second tattoo in honor of his deceased father, but he's going to wait until he makes the roster. "Hopefully," he said, correcting himself. That's confidence, though; planning out which tattoo to get on day one of training camp.
Here's the fuller story. When his father was ill before passing away in 1991, the family took comfort in reciting Psalms 46 together in the hospital. Roger went through the first two verses for me last night:

God is our refuge and strength,
a very present help in trouble.

Therefore we will not fear,
though the earth be removed,
and though the mountains be carried into the depths of the sea;
For several years he's planned to get a tattoo, inspired by those verses, in his father's memory. He actually met with his tattoo artist, Grant Cobb from Tattoo Paradise in Adams Morgan, more than a year ago to discuss his ideas, but he wanted to wait until he was sure he knew exactly what he wanted. He originally wanted the centerpiece to be the mountains being carried into the sea, accompanied by a hovering angel praying. Grant suggested the foreground be more angel and less mountain, so that there would be a central figure to carry the image.

Grant read the verses himself to get his own ideas, and then he made a sketch, and then made another sketch this winter when Roger decided he was ready, and then they revised the sketch together, and then this week they got it done in a four-and-a-half hour session, which is about as long as Grant will let a client go at one sitting.

"He sat there like a champ," Grant said when I talked with him this afternoon. "Most of these rock stars and athletes, they're all kind of on their own schedule, but Roger was real cool, real professional, right on time."


The angel, up close. (By Sports Bog)Anyhow, the top of the image near the shoulder has sort of a Renaissance-inspired fresco border. The waves are "Japanese-style finger waves," which hold up well on the body and are easy to read. The angel's torso was based on a Michelangelo sculpture. Grant usually uses the Old Masters when sketching angels, but this angel's face was made to look ethnically ambiguous instead of clasically Italian; "we wanted a face that was not a social statement, very much a religious statement and all encompassing," he explained. "All God's children, so to speak." The bottom reads "Psalms 46." On paper, the entire image measured something like 7 inches by 15 inches.

"There's references from five different centuries and three or four different genres of art," Grant said. "It was something that kind of needed some work, but it means a lot to him, it was real personal....It was really cool to be able to do something like that for him."

The original idea included the words of the scripture as part of the image, but they ran out of space, and so eventually Roger might get the words inked on the inside of his arm. Grant, by the way, has done work for plenty of celebs: Game, the Madden brothers from Good Charlotte, lead singer Chris Carrabba from the Dashboard Confessionals, All-American Rejects drummer Chris Gaylor, etc. And Roger, who is possibly the nicest athlete I've ever dealt with, said that while some other Wizards are now thinking about using Grant in the near future and while everyone who's seen his arm has been impressed with the artwork, that's not the important part.

"Everybody loves it who sees it, but the meaning is what's important," Roger said. "That's why I got it."

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2007/02/08/PH2007020800605.jpg

By Dan Steinberg | February 8, 2007; 3:41 PM ET | Category: Wizards

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2007/02/roger_masons_new_tattoo.html

[DPG21920]

Two pages ago you were going postal, now you're indifferent? Quit being such a drama queen

Please point out where I went postal, please.....

[AFBlue]

The best the guy has ever done is 11 in 27 minutes.

Give Mason 27 minutes a game and he'll put up more than 11.

Not sure you could make money on that guarantee...

I'm not trying to pimp Pietrus, but Mason may not be a double-digit scorer in this league. And the fact that he's not going to guard the SF position is also another minus.

[mardigan]

Thats a badass tattoo.

[vy65]

Sweet!! A guy with a Tat!!!!

We Ballin' Now Baby

[DPG21920]

* Called certain people retards

* Insinuated he was smarter than me because I'm an Aggie

* Calls the whole board elitist

Yep, no hypocrisy in his comments...

Agreed I should not have stooped to your level, but I did not call everyone an elitist, I only said retard jokingly (with the I you retarded comment), and you and the other 3 I already mentioned tried to imply that I was dumb in all aspects of life because of the conversation. I said what I said in a joking matter in response, not to really try and get at anyone...you are the ones attacking...

[Buddy Holly]

Please point out where I went postal, please.....

Don't be such a Literal McLiterstien.

[rascal]

A 4th scorer would be nice but we won in 07 with the 4th scorer, Finley with 9PPG in regular season and 11.5 in the Playoffs.

The big question is. Can Roger Mason give us those numbers.

Last season Finley scored 6.5 in the Playoffs
Putting a team like the 07 team won't be good enough to win it all next year. Your making the mistake of believing every year is the same. Several teams are much stronger than they were in 07.

[samikeyp]

I said 3 people on here were elitist: TPark, Aggie and Manny, that is all. Most people are cool.

actually you said:


Why don't you read the comments before instead of taking it out of context. People on HERE are the ones that act like they are so smart and that no one should disagree with them. They are elitist and treat people with no respect. The ONLY reason I brought up my education was because he called me retarded and tried to imply I was stupid because of a Spurs forum thread. Check my threads, I have never treated people like they do, and I respect peoples opinions. I may disagree, but I never presume to make judgment calls on people and their life accomplishments based on basketball discussions.


You didn't designate whom you felt was elitist, you implied the entire board. That's fine though if that is who you meant but by calling them elitist based on their actions at ST, isn't that making a judgement of them based on basketball discussions?

[L.I.T]

Totally agree. Mason will be a guy that can bring up the ball a lot so teams wont be able to just key on Tony after he gets past half-court.

What I'm interested in seeing is how flexible defensively is he? Can he handle some of the big pgs a'la Deron or Billups? At least, there's a chance the Spurs won't have to hide him as much defensively as the older guards.

[coopdogg3]

* Called certain people retards

* Insinuated he was smarter than me because I'm an Aggie

* Calls the whole board elitist

Yep, no hypocrisy in his comments...

Well, he may have a point on the Aggie thing.

GO BAYLOR BEARS!!!!

Nowhere to go but up baby!

[DPG21920]

People will jump on anyone claiming Finley still has game.

I do not think that Finley would hurt the Spurs if you brought him back over Mason. That is my opinion. I trust Finley, seen him do it FOR THE SPURS. He helped in a vital role to win a championship, that is all....

[AFBlue]

I'm trying to take the optimistic line. I like Mason's game; he's not a bad player. But, uh, using that much of the MLE on him is worrisome and discouraging.

But, I'm going to excercise a little patience. The Spurs might know something that we don't. And they might have something else up their sleave--a basement bargain, a Matt Bonner trade, use for the TE. We'll see.

If we were able to sign Delfino or Allen, I'd feel a little better. Not earth shakers, I know. But a little more athleticism and youth to shore up the end of the bench would help.

:tu

Because the Spurs FO used so much on Mason, I really think the Spurs are going to have to look to Hairston or another Summer League player to fill out the roster with athleticism and youth on the wing.

Given this signing, I'll be watching the performance of Hairston closely during Summer League.

[024]

this isn't a bad move. any move to replace finley is fine with me. the problem with the spurs last year wasn't finley, it was the lack of scoring options when manu, parker, or duncan weren't on the court. that's why during the playoffs, pop always needed to leave at least one of these players in the game or the entire spurs offense would collapse. even with one of the three in play, the pressure is tremendous for him to score and the spurs offense would depend almost solely on that player. when one of them had an off day, no one was able to pick up the slack.

if you think about it, the spurs have been subtly upgrading. replacing vaughn with hill, horry with mahinmi, and now mason with finley. if any of these players live up to expectations, the spurs offense will be saved. i mean how hard is it to replace vaughn's 4.1 points a game or horry's 2.5? now the spurs just have to resign brent barry to bring back some clutch and the spurs will be set.

[vy65]

sorry to interject amidst the "you're a retard/no, YOU'RE the retard" business going down here but, does anyone think this was a good signing ?

[samikeyp]

I won't jump on anyone but IMO, Finley is done. If I am wrong and he comes back with the Spurs and plays well, that's ok too.

[DPG21920]

So, they should go for a "name" this summer with no money to speak of, but it's foolish to do so in 2010?

This is an ok signing game wise, but a very reasonable, low risk one financially. This was fair and low value for a player that will help you maintain where you were. We were not going to get anyone that would come in and provide that crazy Pau Gasol to the Lakers lift. That is just not realistic expectations. If he can come in and do what Finley did, we will be fine.

[Marcus Bryant]

Pietrus is a below average player making the average salary this season and much more the following four years.

We probably overpaid Mason, but we didn't fuck ourselves paying the full MLE.

Overpaid likely so that he'd take only 2 years.

[mardigan]

I do not think that Finley would hurt the Spurs if you brought him back over Mason. That is my opinion. I trust Finley, seen him do it FOR THE SPURS. He helped in a vital role to win a championship, that is all....

I know its hard to let go, but sometimes you just got to. He did help win a title, but so did Horry and that guys has nothing left either. If it came down to it, I would take the guy with youth and still a little bit of upside over the guy (who I hate to say because I love Fin), who hung on too long. the Spurs cant make the mistake of trying to get 82 games plus playoffs out of Fin. He is DONE.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I do not think that Finley would hurt the Spurs if you brought him back over Mason. That is my opinion. I trust Finley, seen him do it FOR THE SPURS. He helped in a vital role to win a championship, that is all....

He was a turnstile defensively for the last three months of the season. Like I said, he was great back in the day. Lately, not so much.

Avery, Jaren Jackson, and Will Perdue contributed to titles at one time. Want them back too?

[Borosai]

If Mason can score more consistently than Finley (not too difficult) and Hill can score more than Vaughn (again, not difficult), the Spurs should be in better shape--offensively--than this past season. And considering how well they did, this is not a disaster. Sure, it's not a big splash, but a nice ripple is all that's needed.

Although there are still plenty of "ifs," the Spurs will contend this year once again. And if these new guys deliver, another title is not out of the question.

[DPG21920]

People always say our players are done and they notoriously bounce back (Finley in 06, Barry, Bowen...). I am not saying Finley can play forever, I am just saying in his role he can still do fine NEXT year imo. I do not think Mason is this massive upgrade and I hope I am wrong, but I doubt it..

[mardigan]

sorry to interject amidst the "you're a retard/no, YOU'RE the retard" business going down here but, does anyone think this was a good signing ?

I think its about 65-35 towards good signing. Although it seems most people seem the SPurs overpaid a little.

[ChumpDumper]

Overpaid likely so that he'd take only 2 years.Agreed, but if he can approach his numbers as a starter last season....

[vy65]

I think its about 65-35 towards good signing. Although it seems most people seem the SPurs overpaid a little.

A consistent problem for us were teams (NO and LAL) packing the paint, which complicated Tony and Manu's drives to the hole. 3pt shooting in the Playoffs is integral to breaking up the paint.

Homeboy shot a whopping 24% against the Cavs from behind the arc. We paid 1/2 the MLE for 24% from behind the line.

[DPG21920]

He was a turnstile defensively for the last three months of the season. Like I said, he was great back in the day. Lately, not so much.

Avery, Jaren Jackson, and Will Perdue contributed to titles at one time. Want them back too?

That was not just Finley. Our whole team defense slipped. That is why the offensive holes became so glaring. Just like I mentioned before, the Spurs offense was 10x better than the Celtics with regards to getting quality looks and good shots, but the Celtics D was 10x better than the Spurs so their missed shots and extremely stagnant offense did not hurt them as much.

[hater]

good, good. I think this means Barry is going. if not. Mason + Barry will be great off the bench.

I am happy with this. Mason is clutch and has great handles. and is not lazy on D either. and has a nice shot. He is one of the players that came through for Wizards when Arenas was out. He was great when Wiz beat Boston twice in 3 nights.

he will fit in the spurs like a glove. you shall see and quote me on this.

[ChumpDumper]

A consistent problem for us were teams (NO and LAL) packing the paint, which complicated Tony and Manu's drives to the hole. 3pt shooting in the Playoffs is integral to breaking up the paint.

Homeboy shot a whopping 24% against the Cavs from behind the arc. We paid 1/2 the MLE for 24% from behind the line.Who was the Wizards' low post scorer?

[Marcus Bryant]

Overall I'm not thrilled with this acquisition, but given the circumstances it looks like a solid move. In total the Spurs are revamping their supporting cast, which they need to do.

[DPG21920]

No, the difference is that Finley is not retired like the guys you mentioned.

[mardigan]

A consistent problem for us were teams (NO and LAL) packing the paint, which complicated Tony and Manu's drives to the hole. 3pt shooting in the Playoffs is integral to breaking up the paint.

Homeboy shot a whopping 24% against the Cavs from behind the arc. We paid 1/2 the MLE for 24% from behind the line.

Its hard to get open 3 point looks when your best bigman is Brendan Haywood. I think Tim might help him get open a little more.

[coopdogg3]

sorry to interject amidst the "you're a retard/no, YOU'RE the retard" business going down here but, does anyone think this was a good signing ?

I like it. The fact is that there was no wing player that was an UFA, that was a clear upgrade for the Spurs, that would have signed for the MLE, that was worth locking up for 5 years. That's just the way it is. It's a gamble going with a guy like Mason, but it's an even bigger gamble locking a guy up for 5 years, for more money.

I'm not thrilled, but the market just wasn't there for the Spurs. We may have some trading options, Summer League should be interesting, we still have a couple interesting European options.

I'm a bit nervous because he seems like another version of George Hill. I would have liked to have seen a run to sign Childress (I really like his game), but Atlanta would have matched a MLE offer. Maybe Childress signs for 2 years and we can make a run in 2010.

[Buddy Holly]

No, the difference is that Finley is not retired like the guys you mentioned.

The fact is, this is July 9, 2008. Finley is Finley of said date. Nothing about the past matters today or tomorrow.

[vy65]

Who was the Wizards' low post scorer?

"clutch;" "great shooter;" "brent barry replacement."

That is how he's been described here.

Fin has Duncan holding down the paint -- you want him chucking up threes? Just because you have a dominant big man does not mean you make your shots -- it means you have more space to get one off.

[DPG21920]

If he can even come close to doing what he did for the Wizards while he started that would be nothing short of a miracle. It is a lot easier to do that though when you play on a team that gives up a lot of points and plays at a faster pace. Although the Wizards defense did improve a little.

[AFBlue]

If Mason can score more consistently than Finley (not too difficult) and Hill can score more than Vaughn (again, not difficult), the Spurs should be in better shape--offensively--than this past season. And considering how well they did, this is not a disaster. Sure, it's not a big splash, but a nice ripple is all that's needed.

Although there are still plenty of "ifs," the Spurs will contend this year once again. And if these new guys deliver, another title is not out of the question.

Mason scoring more consistently than Finley is not a given. While Fin certainly regressed...he was billed as a shooter, had a nice consistent stroke, and hit plenty of big shots for the Spurs as recent as the Suns series.

Mason had his first decent offensive season in four years last year and was Finley at his lowest on a regular basis the three years prior. He apparently was also not very good in the playoffs.

I hope Mason can remain consistent and build on last year's production, but it's definitely a risk.

I'll also add....I don't think Mason is built to be the Finley replacement. Meaning, I don't think Mason will start and/or play the signficant swingman role off the bench. If they're counting on him for that, they might be disappointed.

I'd like Udoka to take on the Fin role and Mason to take on the Barry role....I still am not sure that is an upgrade, however.

[ChumpDumper]

"clutch;" "great shooter;" "brent barry replacement."

That is how he's been described here.

Fin has Duncan holding down the paint -- you want him chucking up threes? Just because you have a dominant big man does not mean you make your shots -- it means you have more space to get one off.You didn't answer my question.

Who was the Wizards' low post scorer?

And sure I would have Finley "chucking up" threes. He shot a good percentage. He's just old now and needs to be replaced by someone younger. Like Mason.

[mardigan]

"clutch;" "great shooter;" "brent barry replacement."

That is how he's been described here.

Fin has Duncan holding down the paint -- you want him chucking up threes? Just because you have a dominant big man does not mean you make your shots -- it means you have more space to get one off.

Fin doesnt have any legs left.

[AFBlue]

Well, he may have a point on the Aggie thing.

GO BAYLOR BEARS!!!!

Nowhere to go but up baby!

Sic 'em

[Buddy Holly]

That was not just Finley. Our whole team defense slipped. That is why the offensive holes became so glaring.

It's not a coincidence that the teams defense began to slip when Finley, Barry and Oberto were brought in.

Finley's a major defensive liability and Barry is as well. Mason is a good defender.

[DPG21920]

So then why do we use Masons past years as a reference? Obviously you have to look to the future, I saw Finley play, and IMO he is not done. He could still be useful on any team if in the right role.

[vy65]

I'm a bit nervous because he seems like another version of George Hill. I would have liked to have seen a run to sign Childress (I really like his game), but Atlanta would have matched a MLE offer. Maybe Childress signs for 2 years and we can make a run in 2010.

I absolutely agree with this ... another combo guard. I just wonder what this means for G-Hill? I'd like to hear from all those who were lining up to give The George Hill a lapdance .... what do they think about this signing and our respective confidence in our new young pg.

[DPG21920]

"clutch;" "great shooter;" "brent barry replacement."

That is how he's been described here.

Fin has Duncan holding down the paint -- you want him chucking up threes? Just because you have a dominant big man does not mean you make your shots -- it means you have more space to get one off.


He is no where near the shooter or ball handler that Barry is...

[Buddy Holly]

So then why do we use Masons past years as a reference? Obviously you have to look to the future, I saw Finley play, and IMO he is not done. He could still be useful on any team if in the right role.

It's one thing to look at last season for a relatively young player than to use an entire careers worth of stuff for an old scoring guard who is a shadow of his former self. Mason continues to improve season after season while Finley declines.

[DPG21920]

It's not a coincidence that the teams defense began to slip when Finley, Barry and Oberto were brought in.

Finley's a major defensive liability and Barry is as well. Mason is a good defender.

So how did we have such good defense in 07 just one year ago with those same players?

[ChumpDumper]

I absolutely agree with this ... another combo guard. I just wonder what this means for G-Hill? I'd like to hear from all those who were lining up to give The George Hill a lapdance .... what do they think about this signing and our respective confidence in our new young pg.No effect on Hill.

Hill is going to have to be a point guard no matter what.

[spurman20]

See if we can get Tony Allen for the other 1.9 mill ......gives us some flexiblity

[DPG21920]

It's one thing to look at last season for a relatively young player than to use an entire careers worth of stuff for an old scoring guard who is a shadow of his former self. Mason continues to improve season after season while Finley declines.

Your acting like Finley was the worst player in the league, he was not even close to the worst starter.

[coopdogg3]

I absolutely agree with this ... another combo guard. I just wonder what this means for G-Hill? I'd like to hear from all those who were lining up to give The George Hill a lapdance .... what do they think about this signing and our respective confidence in our new young pg.

I would say George Hill is a PG that can play SG.
While Mason is a SG that can play some PG.

Not a huge difference, but I certainly wouldn't call them clones of each other.

[Buddy Holly]

So how did we have such good defense in 07 just one year ago with those same players?

We didn't have good defense last season. Last year was the first year the Spurs weren't number one in oppenent field percentage in a long while.

[vy65]

You didn't answer my question.

Who was the Wizards' low post scorer?

Actually I kind of did. See, when you ask'd that question - I wondered to myself, "gee, why is the douchnozzle from Ferris Bueller asking me this question." Then I realized, "ah, maybe having a big man in the paint sucks up defenders, which in turn correlates into open shots."

So my brain, still hurting after adding 1 and 1 together (which, you do really well by the way) ... was still able to come up with "wait ... we have Tim Duncan ... a dominant big man ... surely then RM will shoot like 87% from the field."

I fucking answered your question with my own ... where's Fin's shot ?

[xtremesteven33]

See if we can get Tony Allen for the other 1.9 mill ......gives us some flexiblity


forget that, i want Barry

[Buddy Holly]

Your acting like Finley was the worst player in the league, he was not even close to the worst starter.

Holy shit guy, read what I typed in the context that I typed it in and stop implying stupid shit.

I never implied or stated Finley was the worst player in the NBA.

[ChumpDumper]

Actually I kind of did.Nope.

Who was the Wizards' low post scorer?

[whottt]

I'm underwhelmed...we did get younger at least.

[hater]

Mason was my 2nd fav player behind Butler last season. this is great!!!

I guarantee fans here will love him immediately.

not to mention Spurs get younger.

[AFBlue]

Mason continues to improve season after season while Finley declines.

Actually he was consistently pretty bad in his first three years and had a breakout year last year.

So yes, he improved....and I hope he keeps improving, but there's not really a trend to follow.

Maybe he just needed the minutes to prove he belonged, or maybe last season was a statistical anomoly. I guess we'll get a front-row seat to find out...

[DPG21920]

We didn't have good defense last season. Last year was the first year the Spurs weren't number one in oppenent field percentage.

So because you do not lead the league in OPPONENT field goal percentage means your d is not good, so only one team has good defense every year?

[vy65]

Nope.

Who was the Wizards' low post scorer?

Etan "the poet" Thomas.

I'll play you're little game here my prepubescent friend ... Brenden Haywood was the Big man down low for Washington Bullets. You're seriously going to argue "Brenden Haywood = RM going for 24% from the field?"

Now fair is fair my chump dumping compadre ... you feel comfy with Fin taking that three with what's his face #21?

[Buddy Holly]

Actually he was consistently pretty bad in his first three years and had a breakout year last year.

So yes, he improved....and I hope he keeps improving, but there's not really a trend to follow.

Maybe he just needed the minutes to prove he belonged, or maybe last season was a statistical anomoly. I guess we'll get a front-row seat to find out...

He played two seasons, left the NBA and came back for the last two seasons.

Those stats with him playing 3 games here and 17 there isn't what I'm using.

[ChumpDumper]

Etan "the poet" Thomas.

I'll play you're little game here my prepubescent friend ... Brenden Haywood was the Bog man down low for Washington Bullets. You're seriously going to argue "Brenden Haywood = RM going for 24% from the field?"You seriously are going to argue Brendan Haywood for anything? :lol

[spurman20]

Nope.

Who was the Wizards' low post scorer?

They didnt have one, so mason should shoot a higher % but he did get alot of his shots going to the basket and with Duncan clogging up the lane it will be interesting to see how his scoring will be affected.....Hopefully he can give us 12-14ppg in 25 mins

[DPG21920]

Holy shit guy, read what I typed in the context that I typed it in and stop implying stupid shit.

I never implied or stated Finley was the worst player in the NBA.

You essentially are saying that because you said a guy who started for the WCF runner up Spurs is completely done now, name another starter from a playoff team last year who's career is over? What are you saying then?

[vy65]

You seriously are going to argue Brendan Haywood for anything? :lol

Fin for Three?

[Buddy Holly]

So because you do not lead the league in OPPONENT field goal percentage means your d is not good, so only one team has good defense every year?

Um... if the Spurs lead the league or are in the top 3 in that department as well as other defensive departments then suddenly drop off in almost every defensive statistic, yes, you no longer the defensive force you once were.

[ChumpDumper]

Fin for Three?No, it's Mason now.

[exstatic]

I you retarded?

Obviously not a Masters in English...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

A consistent problem for us were teams (NO and LAL) packing the paint, which complicated Tony and Manu's drives to the hole. 3pt shooting in the Playoffs is integral to breaking up the paint.

Homeboy shot a whopping 24% against the Cavs from behind the arc. We paid 1/2 the MLE for 24% from behind the line.

Homeboy shot over 40% from three in the regular season. It's absolutely shocking that without a legitimate low post presence his shooting went down in the post-season against Mike Brown and the Cavs. Homeboy didn't have anyone to get him an open shot.

[ChumpDumper]

Homeboy shot over 40% from three in the regular season. It's absolutely shocking that without a legitimate low post presence his shooting went down in the post-season against Mike Brown and the Cavs. Homeboy didn't have anyone to get him an open shot.Brendan Haywood!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

That was not just Finley. Our whole team defense slipped. That is why the offensive holes became so glaring. Just like I mentioned before, the Spurs offense was 10x better than the Celtics with regards to getting quality looks and good shots, but the Celtics D was 10x better than the Spurs so their missed shots and extremely stagnant offense did not hurt them as much.

Bullshit.

The team defense slipped, but Finley went off a fucking cliff. Dwayne Schintzius could have played better D than we got out of Finley in the post-season.

[whottt]

Is Spurs Report down again or something?


Sigh....

[meestahmeestah]

I'd call Antwan Jamison a fairly decent low post scorer.

As for the Mason kid, I like it. The Spurs never had a chance at JR Smith anyway, so it would have been wasted time going for him.

[DPG21920]

Obviously not a Masters in English...

That was me who said that, and like I said it was supposed to be funny and missed the mark... I can deal with it hanging over me forever as does everything anyone says on this forum...

[Buddy Holly]

You essentially are saying that because you said a guy who started for the WCF runner up Spurs is completely done now, name another starter from a playoff team last year who's career is over? What are you saying then?


I said he was done? No. I said he was the shadow of himself. He's good for the occasional 15-20 point game twice a month or so but that's it.

[exstatic]

Spurs fans haven't seen Pietrus play a whole season to claim whether or not he is dumb. I mean Spur fans were overly happy that we signed Elson, but then we found out he was dumb and threw him under the bus. Don't judge before you know. Infact the only reason Spurs fans think Pieturs is dumb is because Timvp said he was dumb then a long list of responses happend agreeing with him without any knowledge about pietrus.

Dood. People here have League Pass and Master's Degrees.

[mardigan]

I'd call Antwan Jamison a fairly decent low post scorer.

He is, but not one that commands a double team.

[vy65]

So we've signed Roger Mason to be our new Finley? Nice ... 37% shooting for 1/2 of the MLE

[Tully365]

Pietrus was injured and lost mintues to Azubikue a much superior player and barnes. Alongside with Sjax and harrington playing the same positions pietrus saw limited mintues.

I followed Golden State pretty closely and that just isn't true. When Pietrus was healthy he generally started and Azubuike came off the bench.

[SPURSGOAT]

I absolutely agree with this ... another combo guard. I just wonder what this means for G-Hill? I'd like to hear from all those who were lining up to give The George Hill a lapdance .... what do they think about this signing and our respective confidence in our new young pg.


Hill is still the back-up PG... Mason is the starting SG....This does not mean anything against Hill at all. Hill might see a little time at SG too, I doubt Mason will see much time if any at PG. I still love the pick of Hill in the draft.

[mardigan]

Obviously not a Masters in English...

Que?

[ChumpDumper]

It's definitely a letdown after all the Maggette talk. I am only glad that we could sign him free and clear and not have to wait a week for some other team to match a reasonable offer.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

So then why do we use Masons past years as a reference? Obviously you have to look to the future, I saw Finley play, and IMO he is not done. He could still be useful on any team if in the right role.

Yes, but not as a rotation player in SA.

We use Mason because he is improving. If you plot his seasons on a graph, his is an upward curve. Plot Finley's and it's going the opposite direction.

Quit being so dense, Master's boy.

[AFBlue]

He played two seasons, left the NBA and came back for the last two seasons.

Those stats with him playing 3 games here and 17 there isn't what I'm using.

Can you point out continuous improvement?

That's sort of my point. From a statistical standpoint, last year seems more like an outlier than the norm.

It's a red flag...that's all I'm saying.

I hope he continues to shoot as well as he did last season.

[DPG21920]

Bullshit.

The team defense slipped, but Finley went off a fucking cliff. Dwayne Schintzius could have played better D than we got out of Finley in the post-season.

How is that bullshit? The team defense slipped, key word team. If Finley was that bad they could of put someone else in, gone with a different line-up. Udoka would have played more, because by your measure, Finley was not scoring so why have him in. Udoka will at least D people up...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

So how did we have such good defense in 07 just one year ago with those same players?

Because we were playing the Cavs with Pavlovic and Sideshow Bob on the court.

[spurman20]

Homeboy shot over 40% from three in the regular season. It's absolutely shocking that without a legitimate low post presence his shooting went down in the post-season against Mike Brown and the Cavs. Homeboy didn't have anyone to get him an open shot.

I think your boy AK would have been better than Mason but dont give up hope, GS is hot on the trail of K Dooling who is seeking 6 mil a year and with GS needing to sign beans and ellis he could be trade bait for a draft pick.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Your acting like Finley was the worst player in the league, he was not even close to the worst starter.

For someone who watches as much basketball as you claim to have, you apparently missed the last three months of the Spurs season if you think Finley was anything more than a dribbling cone defensively.

Spend more time watching the Spurs and less on League Pass and maybe you'd understand.

[exstatic]

Being a "mental-midget" is acting like you are superior or being an elitist prick because someone has a different opinion of you.

Manny's right. Self PWNG is way more rewarding to witness.

I'd say whipping out the Master's card qualifies as "acting like you are superior".

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I fucking answered your question with my own ... where's Fin's shot ?

Rotting away like his career.

[DPG21920]

Yes, but not as a rotation player in SA.

We use Mason because he is improving. If you plot his seasons on a graph, his is an upward curve. Plot Finley's and it's going the opposite direction.

Quit being so dense, Master's boy.

where is this marked improvement over the course of his recent career? he had one good year, other than that he did not really improve. it is not like he is 23 or something, how much better do you think he will get? do not be such a dick, aggie boy

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Etan "the poet" Thomas.

I'll play you're little game here my prepubescent friend ... Brenden Haywood was the Big man down low for Washington Bullets. You're seriously going to argue "Brenden Haywood = RM going for 24% from the field?"

Now fair is fair my chump dumping compadre ... you feel comfy with Fin taking that three with what's his face #21?

How often do you think Haywood got doubled in the post, resulting in an open shot for Mason?

How often do you think Duncan got doubled in the post?

If you think these two numbers are anywhere near each other, you should leave this thread now.

[mardigan]

where is this marked improvement over the course of his recent career? he had one good year, other than that he did not really improve.

His one good year was the last one he played, hence improvement.

[meestahmeestah]

He is, but not one that commands a double team.

agree 100% there.

[DPG21920]

Manny's right. Self PWNG is way more rewarding to witness.

I'd say whipping out the Master's card qualifies as "acting like you are superior".

Once again if you take my comments in the context in which they were made, it was not to act better than, but to enlighten those who deemed me retarded without knowing me because of a basketball conversation...

[DPG21920]

His one good year was the last one he played, hence improvement.
He said plot a chart and it would go upward. It would be flat then go up last year.

[Buddy Holly]

where is this marked improvement over the course of his recent career? he had one good year, other than that he did not really improve. it is not like he is 23 or something, how much better do you think he will get? do not be such a dick, aggie boy

He went from 3 points a game in 63 games in 8 minutes a game to 9 points a game in 21 minutes of play.

Not to mention averaging 18 points as a starter for the Wiz.

This be Mason:

http://www.galeschools.com/research_tools/images/src/LineGraph.gif

This be Finley:

http://static.seekingalpha.com/wp-content/seekingalpha/images/PeerflixLineGraph3.gif

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

How is that bullshit? The team defense slipped, key word team. If Finley was that bad they could of put someone else in, gone with a different line-up. Udoka would have played more, because by your measure, Finley was not scoring so why have him in. Udoka will at least D people up...

If you had been paying attention, Pop stuck with Finley because he needed Fin's shooting... which was only showing up once every five games.

Pop even admitted that he was having to sacrifice defense to get a reasonable amount of firepower on the court offensively.

For someone with a Master's and League Pass, this shouldn't be rocket science.

[ChumpDumper]

Now fair is fair my chump dumping compadre ... you feel comfy with Fin taking that three with what's his face #21?Well, yeah -- definitely more comfortable than if he was play off Brendan Haywood! He always shot pretty well.

I don't know why you are talking about Finley anymore.

[DPG21920]

I am good with Mason, I have said that, this whole thing started because I said I would be happier with Finley back, but they will play the same role and probably accomplish the same things...

[mardigan]

He said plot a chart and it would go upward. It would be flat then go up last year.

:lol
True, but at least its going somewhere. Finley flatlined.

[Tully365]

A consistent problem for us were teams (NO and LAL) packing the paint, which complicated Tony and Manu's drives to the hole. 3pt shooting in the Playoffs is integral to breaking up the paint.

Homeboy shot a whopping 24% against the Cavs from behind the arc. We paid 1/2 the MLE for 24% from behind the line.

C'mon now, one series doesn't prove anything. Should the Cavs have traded Lebron after his shooting display in the finals last year?

[spurman20]

Mason is an improving player who has only been in the leauge four years he will make us better on D and unlike fin can handle the ball and pass without having the ball stripped away 4 times a game. He is an upgrade.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

where is this marked improvement over the course of his recent career? he had one good year, other than that he did not really improve. it is not like he is 23 or something, how much better do you think he will get? do not be such a dick, aggie boy

Where is Finley's improvement if it's so fucking important to you?

Finley's PPG peaked in 2002, and his FG% and 3pt% peaked in 2004 and 2005 respectively.

At least Mason has an uptick in his numbers, Finley's on a gradual decay.

Do not be such a vagina, Mr. League Pass.

[vy65]

Just food for thought ... and I don't really want to harp on this but ...

Both Michael Finley and Brent Barry have had two of their worst years, 3 point shooting wise, playing for the Spurs.

Brent Barry, in his first year as a Spur went from 45% to 36% from behind the arc. That stat improved to 39.6% the following year, then 44%, and finally 48% last year (which was abreviated).

Michael Finley went from 40%, to 39% in his first year as a Spur, to 36% when he was our heralded "fourth scorer" in 2007, and up to a magical 37% last year.

So, our two guys who are supposed to be firing away from behind the arc because of the wide open spaces created by Tim Duncan have shot either the same or a little bit worse as Spurs.

When you factor in the following (1) the first year acclimation woes and (2) the deterioration of Tim Duncan and the correlative decline in double teams (see Hornets, New Orleans), what does that mean for our new overpaid Free Agent?

[Spurtacus]

I'm disappointed in the signing. After Maggette, I thought Azubuike was the player we should have targeted. Thats all gone now. I guess we'll see how Mason does. Hopefully we can grab Barry and get rid of Finley.

[saxman]

I don't know if it has been posted but he just signed a two year contract for aprox 8 mil.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Once again if you take my comments in the context in which they were made, it was not to act better than, but to enlighten those who deemed me retarded without knowing me because of a basketball conversation...

As opposed to those whom you deemed retarded because you have a Master's and League Pass, and that clearly makes you intellectually superior to them.

It's all about context :hat

[mardigan]

All I can pretty much tell is that he will be an upgrade on d, probably an upgrade on offense, is a hard worker and will fall in line like a good soldier. He might not be a huge splash, but when was the last time the Spurs made a huge splash? These under the radar guys have seemed to work out pretty well so far.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

All I can pretty much tell is that he will be an upgrade on d, probably an upgrade on offense, is a hard worker and will fall in line like a good soldier. He might not be a huge splash, but when was the last time the Spurs made a huge splash? These under the radar guys have seemed to work out pretty well so far.

:tu Exactly.

[ChumpDumper]

Just food for thought ... and I don't really want to harp on this but ...

Both Michael Finley and Brent Barry have had two of their worst years, 3 point shooting wise, playing for the Spurs.

Brent Barry, in his first year as a Spur went from 45% to 36% from behind the arc. That stat improved to 39.6% the following year, then 44%, and finally 48% last year (which was abreviated).

Michael Finley went from 40%, to 39% in his first year as a Spur, to 36% when he was our heralded "fourth scorer" in 2007, and up to a magical 37% last year.

So, our two guys who are supposed to be firing away from behind the arc because of the wide open spaces created by Tim Duncan have shot either the same or a little bit worse as Spurs.

When you factor in the following (1) the first year acclimation woes and (2) the deterioration of Tim Duncan and the correlative decline in double teams (see Hornets, New Orleans), what does that mean for our new overpaid Free Agent?So everyone is going to suck from behind the arc according to you no matter who he is or what he's paid.

Maybe Brendan Haywood can shoot our threes.

I just want more scoring and more diversified scoring. If Mason can help with that, I don't give a shit about his 3pt percentage.

[GrandeDavid]

One wonders if the Spurs could move Raptor fan favorite Bonner for Delfino in a S&T and then sign Javtokas (or bring back Horry) with the LLE.

I think Bonner would be down with it since he loved the Toronto public transportation system so much.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Just food for thought ... and I don't really want to harp on this but ...

Both Michael Finley and Brent Barry have had two of their worst years, 3 point shooting wise, playing for the Spurs.

Brent Barry, in his first year as a Spur went from 45% to 36% from behind the arc. That stat improved to 39.6% the following year, then 44%, and finally 48% last year (which was abreviated).

Michael Finley went from 40%, to 39% in his first year as a Spur, to 36% when he was our heralded "fourth scorer" in 2007, and up to a magical 37% last year.

So, our two guys who are supposed to be firing away from behind the arc because of the wide open spaces created by Tim Duncan have shot either the same or a little bit worse as Spurs.

When you factor in the following (1) the first year acclimation woes and (2) the deterioration of Tim Duncan and the correlative decline in double teams (see Hornets, New Orleans), what does that mean for our new overpaid Free Agent?

Well I guess the Spurs are fucked. Time to shut down the forum and find something else to do with our time.

[mardigan]

I'm disappointed in the signing. After Maggette, I thought Azubuike was the player we should have targeted. Thats all gone now. I guess we'll see how Mason does. Hopefully we can grab Barry and get rid of Finley.

I like KA as well, but their really was no guarantee he would be a better player on this team than Mason.

[Marcus Bryant]

The Spurs did make an offer to Delfino, according to one report.

[vy65]

So everyone is going to suck from behind the arc according to you no matter who he is or what he's paid.

Maybe Brendan Haywood can shoot our threes.

YES!!! THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID Congrats on winning the "I didn't take what that dude said out of context at all/put words in his mouth" prize.

Where did I say that "everyone will suck" shooting threes? Link?

Yes Brendan should chuck it up ... only after we sign George Murreshan who will KILL from behind the arc because of the Texas-like wide open spaces created by tim.

Congrats on not being a fuck-stick and having a modicum of respect for another human being and responding to an argument. By the way, how's Roger Mason's cock taste?

[ChumpDumper]

(2) the deterioration of Tim Duncan and the correlative decline in double teams (see Hornets, New Orleans)Didn't the Spurs beat New Orleans?

What lesson is to be learned from that?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

All I can pretty much tell is that he will be an upgrade on d, probably an upgrade on offense, is a hard worker and will fall in line like a good soldier. He might not be a huge splash, but when was the last time the Spurs made a huge splash? These under the radar guys have seemed to work out pretty well so far.

Don't you get it? Unless the Spurs signed the guy the poster with 100 posts had actually heard of, or stood pat with 452 year old Michael Finley, it's a disaster.

[ChumpDumper]

YES!!! THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID Congrats on winning the "I didn't take what that dude said out of context at all/put words in his mouth" prize.

Where did I say that "everyone will suck" shooting threes? Link?

Yes Brendan should chuck it up ... only after we sign George Murreshan who will KILL from behind the arc because of the Texas-like wide open spaces created by tim.

Congrats on not being a fuck-stick and having a modicum of respect for another human being and responding to an argument. By the way, how's Roger Mason's cock taste?Aw, baby had a widdle meltdown.

You say we're doomed.

Feel free to sign off.

[vy65]

Didn't the Spurs beat New Orleans?

What lesson is to be learned from that?

They did ... in 7 games ... Doesn't change the fact that they didn't double Timmy, does it ?

[mardigan]

YES!!! THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID Congrats on winning the "I didn't take what that dude said out of context at all/put words in his mouth" prize.

Where did I say that "everyone will suck" shooting threes? Link?

Yes Brendan should chuck it up ... only after we sign George Murreshan who will KILL from behind the arc because of the Texas-like wide open spaces created by tim.

Congrats on not being a fuck-stick and having a modicum of respect for another human being and responding to an argument. By the way, how's Roger Mason's cock taste?

Your a vulgar little fucker huh?

[DPG21920]

If you had been paying attention, Pop stuck with Finley because he needed Fin's shooting... which was only showing up once every five games.

Pop even admitted that he was having to sacrifice defense to get a reasonable amount of firepower on the court offensively.

For someone with a Master's and League Pass, this shouldn't be rocket science.

Udoka was shooting the ball well and he plays D, it is not rocket science, just difference of opinion.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

They did ... in 7 games ... Doesn't change the fact that they didn't double Timmy, does it ?

Doesn't change the fact you think Haywood is on par with Duncan, apparently.

Or that the Spurs have scoreboard on the Hornets.

[vy65]

Aw, baby had a widdle meltdown.

You say we're doomed.

Feel free to sign off.

How is that even responsive to what I said?

C'mon Bueller ... surely you can do better than the not-at-all-cliche "baby sounds/whining" routine.

I don't think I've really whined ... other than saying that RM is overpaid ... you think he was a bargain ?

[vy65]

Doesn't change the fact you think Haywood is on par with Duncan, apparently.

Or that the Spurs have scoreboard on the Hornets.

wow ... you're really fucking dense ... shoot yourself

[ChumpDumper]

They did ... in 7 games ... Doesn't change the fact that they didn't double Timmy, does it ?If every team has their defensive personnel and coaching, I will shit my pants just like you already have.

[Buddy Holly]

Udoka was shooting the ball well and he plays D, it is not rocket science, just difference of opinion.

Udoka was shooting the ball well? When? He's the epitome of streaky.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Udoka was shooting the ball well and he plays D, it is not rocket science, just difference of opinion.

Udoka was hot or cold and no matter how many games you gave him to start, he wouldn't put up 17.1 in the NBA.

That, and he didn't have that weird ass blind loyalty Pop had for Finley last year.

[ceperez]

http://www.spursreport.com/forums/spurs-nba-fan-feedback/94147-roger-mason-jr-free-agent.html


Pradamaster: Clearly, Roger Mason was the biggest surprise of the 2007/2008 Wizards season. With Gilbert Arenas sidelined for most of the year, Mason, who nearly didn't even make the roster, took advantage of his opportunity and emerged as one of the better third guards in basketball. He gave the team the deadly three-point shooter that Jarvis Hayes was supposed to be and even impressed me with his ball-handling. The biggest worry with Mason was that he would struggle handling the ball, but while he didn't pass well, he was excellent at holding onto the basketball, turning in over on just 9.9 percent of his possessions, a mark good for second on the team behind Antawn Jamison and ahead of Antonio Daniels. In short, Mason was a godsend this year.

It's often said that it takes a while to learn the Princeton offense, and Mason is proof of that. The jump in his shooting percentages was astronomical. In 2006/07, he hit only 33 percent of his threes, with a 42.2% effective field goal percentage and a 44.3% true shooting percentage. Those numbers jumped to 40 percent, 55.2% and 57.3%, respectively this season. My theory is that he was overanxious with his three-point attempts in 06/07, firing whenever he had any sort of daylight, no matter the situation. He still shot a lot of threes this year in bad spots (6.9/36), but he displayed an ability to drive and was far smarter in his attempts. More importantly, instead of just hanging out in the corner waiting for someone to pass the ball, he finally embraced the importance of constantly moving in the Princeton. The end result was a banner year shooting the ball.

Mason didn't really contribute much in the other areas of the game, but really, who expected him to do so? His job was to hit open shots and provide instant offense from the bench, and he did an outstanding job filling that role. If one has quibbles with his season, as I did on many occassions, it's over things that will never really be fixed. Mason is going to shoot some bad shots, and he's never going to be a great passer or a great driver. It would be nice if he developed those parts of his game, but I don't see it happening at this stage.

Truthaboutit: Roger Mason Junior.....DC's own ....the Potomac Rainmaker. Mason Junior was the recipient of this year's Pleasant Surprise Award. Ok, I made that up.....but the fact is that Roger Mason had a career year, averaging 9.1 ppg and almost 40% (39.8) from 3-point land. Oh yea, his PER and Usage-Rate bested that of both DeShawn Stevenson and Antonio Daniels. Mase-ON was truly an invaluable offensive spark off the bench as the Wizards dealt with an array of injuries in 07-08. Not only that, but in the nine games he was asked to start (five of which came in late December), Mason averaged 17.4 ppg, 3.4 ast, 52.6% fg, and 43.1% 3p.

[Kori Ellis]

:lmao :lmao :lmao

Spurs fans breaking down and fighting over this guy is crazy.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

wow ... you're really fucking dense ... shoot yourself

:spin Or I can just laugh at your lame ass.

When's light's out, junior?

[vy65]

If every team has their defensive personnel and coaching, I will shit my pants just like you already have.

I have actually ... you want to smell them?

And how did you know I shat them? are you watching me? you really are a naughty little DUMPER aren't you:nope

[ChumpDumper]

How is that even responsive to what I said?It's a response to your meltdown.


C'mon Bueller ... surely you can do better than the not-at-all-cliche "baby sounds/whining" routine.But you're a whining baby. It fits.


I don't think I've really whined ... other than saying that RM is overpaid .Well you're a fucking idiot because I said the exact same thing.

Now please go fuck right off, baby.

[Spurtacus]

I assume Mason will be our starting SG now?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

:lmao :lmao :lmao

Spurs fans breaking down and fighting over this guy is crazy.

No argument about this guy, it's about Haywood's ability to draw double teams like Tim Duncan :lol

[Marcus Bryant]

It's a bargain compared to $30 mil for Pietrus.

[ChumpDumper]

I have actuallyAll the more reason to call you a baby.

[Marcus Bryant]

I assume Mason will be our starting SG now?

Maybe not. Stay tuned.

[vy65]

It's a response to your meltdown.

But you're a whining baby. It fits.

Well you're a fucking idiot because i said the exact same thing.

Now please go fuck right off, baby.

how are stats a meltdown? I just want to know why you think that having Tim will necessarily increase Mason's 3P shooting percentage when that certainly wasn't the case with Brent or Mike.

I can be civil, if you want to respond to me civilly .. and will kindly fuck off if I'm wrong.

I'm waiting ....

[DPG21920]

Where is Finley's improvement if it's so fucking important to you?

Finley's PPG peaked in 2002, and his FG% and 3pt% peaked in 2004 and 2005 respectively.

At least Mason has an uptick in his numbers, Finley's on a gradual decay.

Do not be such a vagina, Mr. League Pass.

You obviously write your own material, because you can not come up with anything different.

Who cares if they are on the decline, so are Bowens... I trust him and he can still shoot...just because someone is going up and someone is going down does not mean the up is that much better, especially when you look at the numbers they are close. Mason is 28, people do not get so much better as they approach 30, they have come close to maxing out, then they maintain then they decline, it is like the product life cycle...

[DPG21920]

As opposed to those whom you deemed retarded because you have a Master's and League Pass, and that clearly makes you intellectually superior to them.

It's all about context :hat

I did not deem anyone retarded, I made a joke (I you retarded) in response to a comment. You guys were seriously trying to come at me, huge difference in the context in which I said it, does not make it right, and I admit that

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I assume Mason will be our starting SG now?

Unless we sign another swing, then I would say so.

[ChumpDumper]

how are stats a meltdown?Your meltdown was a meltdown.

I just want to know why you think that having Tim will necessarily increase Mason's 3P shooting percentage when that certainly wasn't the case with Brent or Mike.[/quote]It sure could. Barry and Fin were head cases their first seasons because of expectations. Since none of us know enough about this guy to have any expectations, who knows? Certainly not you.


I can be civil, if you want to respond to me civilly .. and will kindly fuck off if I'm wrong.Oh fuck you. You can't go back now after talking about shitting your own pants.

[AFBlue]

Udoka was hot or cold and no matter how many games you gave him to start, he wouldn't put up 17.1 in the NBA.

That, and he didn't have that weird ass blind loyalty Pop had for Finley last year.

Are you saying you expect Mason to put up 17ppg?

[gaKNOW!blee]

Does this mean no Smith??

[Spurtacus]

Does this mean no Smith??

Yep.

[ChumpDumper]

Does this mean no Smith??There never was any Smith.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You obviously write your own material, because you can not come up with anything different.

Who cares if they are on the decline, so are Bowens... I trust him and he can still shoot...just because someone is going up and someone is going down does not mean the up is that much better, especially when you look at the numbers they are close. Mason is 28, people do not get so much better as they approach 30, they have come close to maxing out, then they maintain then they decline, it is like the product life cycle...

I'd rather have a guy that will possibly improve for 2-3 years (hey, that happens to coincide with his Spurs contract...) than someone in Finley who has obviously declined and we all saw (those of us who watched, anyway) him turn into a fucking gaping hole defensively the last 3 months of the season.

You act like we're locked into Roger until he's 38 or something stupid like that.

Finley is done, I'm sorry you're either too dense, too stupid, or just really fucking annoying and keeping this argument going because you're a twit, to understand.

You seem enamored with what Finley did back in the day. Like I said, fine. Bring Finley back. Bring Jaren Jackson, Will Perdue, AJ, Mario Elie, and Sean Elliott back too. This team would clearly repeat if we just did all that and hung on to memories of years past.