Spurs Sign Roger Mason Jr.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2008/07/mason_agrees_to_deal_with_san.html


Mason agrees to deal with San Antonio

Roger Mason Jr. has agred to terms of a deal with the San Antonio Spurs. Don't have all the details yet but will shortly. This is not a shocker given the fact that the Spurs liked Mason last summer as well.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Split MLE with Mason and Azubuike hopefully? :hungry:

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I hope it's not the LLE, I would still be holding that back for Brent.

[Anti.Hero]

Who be dis?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Who be dis?


http://www.nba.com/media/Roger_Mason_300_071014.jpg

[LakerHater]

Who be dis?
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98796

[mardigan]

Movement, sweet

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Good find. Wonder what the details are.

[SPURSGOAT]

Who be dis?

He is a freaking backup PG.... http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3628

But being 6' 5" maybe they intend to use him at the SG spot!?

they probably had to use part of the MLE...

[Bartleby]

Judging by what people are saying in the comments section of the WPost, he sounds like a Spurs type of guy.

[ducks]

spurs used the flu mle on him the way this fa offseason is going

[ducks]

barry is gone

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

He is a freaking backup PG.... http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3628

But being 6' 5" maybe they intend to use him at the SG spot!?

they probably had to use part of the MLE...

Yea, they're more than likely gonna switch him to SG.

Still waiting on that Azubuike announcement. :spin

[Tully365]

Youth. I like. If he scores 8 ppg, and Hill scores 6 ppg, the backcourt is in great shape.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

barry is gone

:depressed

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Good signing but I'm going to be pissed if we passed over Kelenna for this guy.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Good signing but I'm going to be pissed if we passed over Kelenna for this guy.

Me too.

[200 miles]

barry replacement, right?

[SPURSGOAT]

Finally some movement... now maybe things will start rolling... get Azubuike or Barnes!!!

[MaNu4Tres]

If its for the LLE this is a great move...If its part of the MLE I hope we can sign azubuike as well.

[ElNono]

He has a nice ride:

SvGxh1HLw6s

[SPURSGOAT]

wait... so barry is gone!? Who is he signing with!?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Of course it does make you wonder... this guy is in the same mold as our draft pick from IUPIWERIUI. Combo guard... I thought Pop said Hill was going to be a contributor?

If this is for the LLE then I'm sad because that means Barry is gone. If it's for a chunk of the MLE and that closes the door on other options (Smith, Azubuike) then I'm going to be pissed.

[mardigan]

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/roger_mason/index.html
http://hoopshype.com/players/roger_mason.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6-3fmFkvT8

[Tully365]

Judging by what people are saying in the comments section of the WPost, he sounds like a Spurs type of guy.

Yeah-- not one negative word, all the comments praised him for being a classy team player. I especially liked the one that said, "Roger-- I hope you get lots of playing time for those boring ass Spurs..."

[The Truth #6]

I found this youtube of him and his aston martin...I know weird.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvGxh1HLw6s

If someone else knows how to imbed that video, then please do.

The other video I found was him talking about his hair. Great.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Good move by the Spurs, but this just about all but concludes that the Spurs have moved on from Barry.

If the Spurs used the LLE on him, it's a damn nice steal. We get younger defensive Brent Barry and we would still have the MLE to spend on an even better swing such as Kelenna or JR.

If the Spurs used the MLE on him, that's pretty risky of them. Mason is a good guy, but this would've just followed this offseason's pattern of overpaying due to lack of overall talent in the market. Hopefully we get Barry back with the LLE if the MLE has been used.

[Spurs Brazil]

I hope it's for the LLE

We need J.R or Azabuike with the MLE

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

We're either gonna be sad that we're not bringing back Barry, or gonna be pissed that we signed Mason over Azubuike/Smith. Hopefully just sad.

[Solid D]

This kid stuck it out and upped his game. Roger was an excellent college player but was a tweener coming out. Got hurt, as I recall. He has good all-around skills and can make some things happen. I would guess the Spurs signed him for 3 years with the third year as a team option.

[AFBlue]

Typical Spurs signing....not earth-shatteringly great, but I'm sure it'll turn out to be an effective move.

I fully expect the Spurs to follow with an offer to either Najera or Delfino.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

wait... so barry is gone!? Who is he signing with!?

Barry isn't exactly gone, but Mason brings the same thing that Barry brings plus defense, so he's probably gone. And if we signed him for the LLE, then Barry's definitely gone.

[Bruno]

Mason isn't a PG or combo guard. He is a SG.
He is quite good role player but if he is Spurs main signing of the summer, it will suck ass.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

He is quite good role player but if he is Spurs main signing of the summer, it will suck ass.

:tu

[Spurs Brazil]

He is a good scorer but he can't rebound.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/roger_mason/index.html

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

if he is Spurs main signing of the summer, it will suck ass.

Understatement of the year.

[Marcus Bryant]

An ok piece for a youth movement (well, he's under 30) as an addition to the bench. Hit a lot of 3s last season at a good clip on a team without that great of a post game. He took a circuitous route to the NBA so he definitely fits the Spurs' role player profile in that regard.

[TeKu]

Why does this mean Barry is gone?

Looks like a Finley replacement to me. Mason did a good job filling in for starters last season, now he gets his chance at starting fulltime at SG. If anything we need Barry in that backup role more now with an inexperienced starter.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

So we're basically waiting on the terms of the deal to decide whether or not it's a good signing.

For the LLE or min, :tu!
For more then half or the whole MLE, :td!!!

[Spurs Brazil]

Jeff McDonald: Spurs strike deal with Mason
It didn't take long for the Spurs to move on from Corey Maggette.

According to two league sources, the Spurs have reached an agreement with free-agent guard Roger Mason Jr. that would pay him $7.5 million over two years.

Mason, 27, was a revelation for the Washington Wizards last season, his fourth in the NBA. He averaged 9.1 points off the bench, helping the Wizards overcome injuries to guards Gilbert Arenas and Antonio Daniels and make the playoffs.

News of Mason's impending arrival in San Antonio comes a day after Maggette spurned the Spurs and other suitors to accept a five-year, $50 million deal with Golden State.

This isn't the first time the Spurs have shown interest in Mason. They offered him a three-year contract last summer, but he opted to return to Washington for one more season.

A year later, the Spurs appear to have landed their man.

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/archives/2008/07/jeff_mcdonald_s_10.html

[SPURSGOAT]

Barry isn't exactly gone, but Mason brings the same thing that Barry brings plus defense, so he's probably gone. And if we signed him for the LLE, then Barry's definitely gone.

ah! yea that makes sense... kinda hope they got him for the LLE... guess we will find out soon enough. At least we got a solid guy to come off the bench...

[ducks]

Why does this mean Barry is gone?

Looks like a Finley replacement to me. Mason did a good job filling in for starters last season, now he gets his chance at starting fulltime at SG. If anything we need Barry in that backup role more now with an inexperienced starter.

tp is the startering pg

[Spurs Brazil]

According to two league sources, the Spurs have reached an agreement with free-agent guard Roger Mason Jr. that would pay him $7.5 million over two years.

DAMN

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Jeff McDonald: Spurs strike deal with Mason
It didn't take long for the Spurs to move on from Corey Maggette.

According to two league sources, the Spurs have reached an agreement with free-agent guard Roger Mason Jr. that would pay him $7.5 million over two years.

Mason, 27, was a revelation for the Washington Wizards last season, his fourth in the NBA. He averaged 9.1 points off the bench, helping the Wizards overcome injuries to guards Gilbert Arenas and Antonio Daniels and make the playoffs.

News of Mason's impending arrival in San Antonio comes a day after Maggette spurned the Spurs and other suitors to accept a five-year, $50 million deal with Golden State.

This isn't the first time the Spurs have shown interest in Mason. They offered him a three-year contract last summer, but he opted to return to Washington for one more season.

A year later, the Spurs appear to have landed their man.

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/archives/2008/07/jeff_mcdonald_s_10.html

Crap, that means we only have ~$2M in the MLE left.

[ducks]

what the hell

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Being how we only have ~$2M left in the MLE, we better fuckin find another Ime Udoka deal in this market.

[Anti.Hero]

After Barry was great enough to come back to us after the trade last season, AND be one of the only Spurs to gut it out to the death during the WCF, I say he should have the right and support to test the market and get PAID.

[ducks]

this offseason fucking sucks
spurs need to trade for jr smith with their trade exception
get denver below the tax

[AFBlue]

Yikes....guess they thought the pace of Free Agency was going to continue at a torrid pace and didn't want to lose out on the action.

I like the fact that he agreed to a two-year deal, because it fits the 2010 plan...but it comes at the expense of several other free agents. Based on that dollar figure, I'd say the Spurs will re-sign Thomas and one of the swingmen (Barry or Fin) and be done for the off-season.

[Tully365]

His Turnover rate is extremely low-- he averaged 0.8 TO per game, playing just over 20 mpg. Outstanding.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Yikes....guess they thought the pace of Free Agency was going to continue at a torrid pace and didn't want to lose out on the action.

I like the fact that he agreed to a two-year deal, because it fits the 2010 plan...but it comes at the expense of several other free agents. Based on that dollar figure, I'd say the Spurs will re-sign Thomas and one of the swingmen (Barry or Fin) and be done for the off-season.

:(
Not exactly my idea of an offseason, but hey we improved a little. That's better than not.

[AFBlue]

Being how we only have ~$2M left in the MLE, we better fuckin find another Ime Udoka deal in this market.

Umm...he was supposed to be the "Ime Udoka" of this off-season.

[ducks]

His Turnover rate is extremely low-- he averaged 0.8 TO per game, playing just over 20 mpg. Outstanding.

good

[Spurs Brazil]

Mason has good numbers in the offense end. Like Azabuike.

Azabuike vs Mason

Kelenna Azubuike Golden State Warriors
Position: G-F
Height: 6-5 Weight: 220
College: Kentucky
Player file | Team stats

2007-08 Statistics
PPG 8,5
RPG 4,0
APG 0,9
SPG 0,6
BPG 0,4
FG% 0,445
FT% 0,717
3P% 0,364
MPG 21,4

Roger Mason
Washington Wizards
Position: G
Height: 6-5 Weight: 212
College: Virginia
Player file | Team stats

2007-08 Statistics
PPG 9,1
RPG 1,6
APG 1,7
SPG 0,5
BPG 0,2
FG% 0,443
FT% 0,873
3P% 0,398
MPG 21,4

[romsho]

Wow. I was just getting ready to say McDonald must be thieving his info off of this site. $7.5 million for two years? That is a revelation, and not a good one. I hope he is wrong about the numbers.

[SPURSGOAT]

CRAP!!! Damn! guess they were forced to use part of the MLE for him since they proably had few options... all the swingmen worth anything will be looking to get paid.

[td4mvp21]

All I remember is him bricking everything in the playoffs.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Umm...he was supposed to be the "Ime Udoka" of this off-season.

Well in that case, fuck.

[ducks]

spurs should have half the mle left
that means they better spend it

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Mason has good numbers in the offense end. Like Azabuike.

Azabuike vs Mason

Kelenna Azubuike Golden State Warriors
Position: G-F
Height: 6-5 Weight: 220
College: Kentucky
Player file | Team stats

2007-08 Statistics
PPG 8,5
RPG 4,0
APG 0,9
SPG 0,6
BPG 0,4
FG% 0,445
FT% 0,717
3P% 0,364
MPG 21,4

Roger Mason
Washington Wizards
Position: G
Height: 6-5 Weight: 212
College: Virginia
Player file | Team stats

2007-08 Statistics
PPG 9,1
RPG 1,6
APG 1,7
SPG 0,5
BPG 0,2
FG% 0,443
FT% 0,873
3P% 0,398
MPG 21,4

Wow, sans the rebounding, they're almost alike.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

spurs should have half the mle left
that means they better spend it

We only have about $1.9M left.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

According to two league sources, the Spurs have reached an agreement with free-agent guard Roger Mason Jr. that would pay him $7.5 million over two years.

Sucked up most of the MLE. Fucking awesome :pctoss

[Spurs Brazil]

For those who see Mason play I have a question.

Can he create his shot and go to the basket or he only scores on Js?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Okay, I'll be the first to say: Come sign with us Kelenna! Forget the money, we can give you a championship!

[Bruno]

So Spurs biggest addition of the offseason will be Roger Mason. :depressed

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

And now we basically have 2 LLEs.

[td4mvp21]

Well I don't think we are better than last year but who knows. We can go without a fourth scorer if our role players step up consistently, ala the Celtics. I wish we would have offered Posey the full MLE instead. He's proven and much more versatile.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Wow, sans the rebounding, they're almost alike.

Part of the reason I liked Kelenna was his rebounding numbers.

This guy put about as much effort on the glass last year as Finley did.

[AFBlue]

Well in that case, fuck.

I guess other teams thought he was a good value as well, so that drove up his asking price....I think I tallied 5 teams that were interested in him at one point.

I'm scouring the FA list right now to see if there's another FA that the Spurs could possibly get for $2M or the LLE...not sure I see one at this point. I'd like to say Najera would give up some money to come here, but he had one of his better seasons last year....and if Mason can get damn near $4M a year, Najera should be able to.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Well I don't think we are better than last year but who knows. We can go without a fourth scorer if our role players step up consistently, ala the Celtics. I wish we would have offered Posey the full MLE instead. He's proven and much more versatile.

Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

[MaNu4Tres]

i believe we have roughly 2.4 million left of the MLE and 1.9 from the LLE.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

i believe we have roughly 2.4 million left of the MLE and 1.9 from the LLE.

I think it's more like 2.1-2.2 million of the MLE left.

[Marcus Bryant]

And now we basically have 2 LLEs.

Yes.

[td4mvp21]

Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

Who was the Celtics' fourth scorer? Didn't they just win the title without one?

[TJastal]

Good shooter according to last year's stats, a bit undersized at SG but not by much, as others said, he should be able to take on Barry's role.


Now give me Azuibuke as our new starting 2/3 and I will start to feel optimistic about this season.

[SPURSGOAT]

:(
Not exactly my idea of an offseason, but hey we improved a little. That's better than not.

Guess this means they will really be looking to bring on maybe all 3 of the rooks...

At least I guess we got a bit younger... but I don't see this being enough to give us a championship... mason, ian, hill, hairston, and gist...

[Duncan2177]

Typical spurs they should of just threw there whole MLE at JR Smith i really doubt that denver would match, Im sure Roger Mason is a decent player but that is a bit much for someone that hasn't proved anything. Typical BS offseason

[Marcus Bryant]

Good shooter according to last year's stats, a bit undersized at SG but not by much, as others said, he should be able to take on Barry's role.


Now give me Azuibuke as our new starting 2/3 and I will start to feel optimistic about this season.

He won't be signed.

[AFBlue]

I think this move virtually assures the Spurs bring back Finley for the vet min. He hasn't seen much interest from other clubs and I don't see Udoka or Mason moving into the starting lineup....where Finley has been for the past couple years.

Obviously the Spurs could move Manu back into the starting lineup, but I think Pop honestly likes the matchups and energy he brings off the bench.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Who was the Celtics' fourth scorer? Didn't they just win the title without one?

Um, they didn't need one. But if you really want to play that game, you could go with Eddie House or Posey.

You're basically buying into the same game plan that Phil Jackson and the like run against us. Make life hell for the big three and see if the nutless role players will step up.

No thanks.

[td4mvp21]

A lot is going to depend on Ian and Hill. A lot.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I think this move virtually assures the Spurs bring back Finley for the vet min. He hasn't seen much interest from other clubs and I don't see Udoka or Mason moving into the starting lineup....where Finley has been for the past couple years.

Obviously the Spurs could move Manu back into the starting lineup, but I think Pop honestly likes the matchups and energy he brings off the bench.

If we bring back Finley in any role that involves him actually playing more than 5 minutes per game, we're fucked.

[Marcus Bryant]

So the Spurs won't be going after a RFA.

[Bruno]

Depending on how Mason deal is structured, Spurs have used between $3.6M and $3.9M to sign him. Spurs have between $1.65M and $1.95M left on their MLE.

[Anti.Hero]

If the Spurs cannot get rid of Finley, this off-season will be a failure.

I don't care if we sign him for peanuts, he does not deserve the minutes he gets.

[Spurs Brazil]

Kelena is out now.

I think we'll bring Finley or Barry back and maybe try to get another bargain for the rest of the MLE and call it offseason.

[AFBlue]

And now we basically have 2 LLEs.

And no real "impact" free agents likely available for that price...which is a problem, because I don't think the Spurs got an "impact" player in Mason for the dollars they spent.

That basically means the Spurs will use their MLE on roster fillers that have a chance to be in the rotation, but likely won't be that coveted "fourth scorer."

:depressed

[Spurs Brazil]

Season Highs/Career Highs
Points 32 @ Golden State 02/11/08 32 @ Golden State 02/11/08
Field Goals Made 13 @ Golden State 02/11/08 13 @ Golden State 02/11/08
Field Goals Attempted 20 @ Golden State 02/11/08 20 @ Golden State 02/11/08
Three Point Field Goals Made 7 vs. Indiana 04/14/08 7 vs. Indiana 04/14/08
Three Point Field Goals Attempted 10 @ Phoenix 02/10/08 10 @ Phoenix 02/10/08
Free Throws Made 5 3 Times 6 @ New Jersey 02/24/04
Free Throws Attempted 5 5 Times 7 @ New Jersey 02/24/04
Offensive Rebounds 3 vs. Indiana 04/14/08 3 vs. Indiana 04/14/08
Defensive Rebounds 5 3 Times 5 3 Times
Total Rebounds 6 vs. Indiana 04/14/08 6 vs. Indiana 04/14/08
Assists 6 3 Times 6 4 Times
Steals 4 vs. Miami 12/29/07 4 vs. Miami 12/29/07
Blocks 3 vs. Orlando 03/05/08 3 vs. Orlando 03/05/08
Minutes Played 46 @ Charlotte 12/26/07 46 @ Charlotte 12/26/07

[Russ]

Mason isn't a PG or combo guard. He is a SG.

SG? Hmmm . . .

Career shooting percentage -- .405.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

List of players I think can be had using "one of our 2" LLEs:
Jeremy Richardson
Tony Allen
Shannon Brown
Antoine Wright
Yakhouba Diawara
Juan Dixon
Jarvis Hayes
Kirk Snyder
Fred Jones
Mickael Gelabale
CJ Miles

[td4mvp21]

Um, they didn't need one. But if you really want to play that game, you could go with Eddie House or Posey.
Nope. Posey averaged 6 ppg in the playoffs and House averaged less.



You're basically buying into the same game plan that Phil Jackson and the like run against us. Make life hell for the big three and see if the nutless role players will step up.

No thanks.

I'm not buying into anything. The difference between championship Spurs teams and non-championship Spurs teams have been role players. In '04 no one could hit the broad side of a fucking barn. In '06 it was Duncan, Parker, Manu, and Finley vs. the Mavericks. And last year it was just the Big Three until Manu went down and then it was just Tim and Tony. Like I said, having good role players that are consistent and know how to step up when coaches like Jackson run that strategy against us will compensate for a fourth scorer. Obviously a fourth scorer would be better but it's not happening.

[mardigan]

I wonder if they could get a guy like Jarvis Hayes with the leftover money.

[Bruno]

The 2010 plan and the safety of signing an UFA are for sure 2 bigs factors of this signing.

If Spurs don't do another significant move, it really sucks. Spurs will be one step behind Lakers and Celtics next year.

[td4mvp21]

Oh and I don't want Finley on this team unless he's soley a bench warmer. Pop better let his little lenient soft spot for Finley go.

[ElNono]

Um, they didn't need one. But if you really want to play that game, you could go with Eddie House or Posey.

You're basically buying into the same game plan that Phil Jackson and the like run against us. Make life hell for the big three and see if the nutless role players will step up.

No thanks.

Don't forget PJ Brown. He bailed them out more than once in the earlier series in the playoffs.

[TeKu]

For that money Mason is starting at SG surely. Pop isn't paying $3.75m a season for a 3rd string PG/SG. We know Manu will come off the bench at so Mason is starting.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

For that money Mason is starting at SG surely. Pop isn't paying $3.75m a season for a 3rd string PG/SG. We know Manu will come off the bench at so Mason is starting.

I think so too.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Nope. Posey averaged 6 ppg in the playoffs and House averaged less.

Yay, averages. Who cares? Boston usually had all of Allen, Garnett, and Pierce going in the Finals, and if one of them was off they usually had House or Posey filling the gap.

[DespЏrado]

The one thing I like about the team we are putting together: at least we are building a team with some very tradable assets. Lots of youth with upside on reasonable contracts that can be packaged very easily to a team at the trade deadline that has to move a "fourth option" player.

Think about it. Udoka, Gist, Hill, Ian, Thomas and Mason are all going to be very packagable pieces if the right player comes up at the trade deadline.

[ElNono]

And no real "impact" free agents likely available for that price...which is a problem, because I don't think the Spurs got an "impact" player in Mason for the dollars they spent.

That basically means the Spurs will use their MLE on roster fillers that have a chance to be in the rotation, but likely won't be that coveted "fourth scorer."

:depressed

Well, when you don't want to go over the cap and pay luxury tax, this is pretty much all you can afford.

[ducks]

lets see if boston and lakers keep their free agents or restricted fa's first

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

For that money Mason is starting at SG surely. Pop isn't paying $3.75m a season for a 3rd string PG/SG. We know Manu will come off the bench at so Mason is starting.

Yes, it's clear you're looking at our new starting 2guard.

And everyone can kiss anything but table scraps goodbye with what we have left.

[ducks]

For that money Mason is starting at SG surely. Pop isn't paying $3.75m a season for a 3rd string PG/SG. We know Manu will come off the bench at so Mason is starting.

good he can not play more then 25 minutes a game tell after the allstar break because is he a pussy

[Spurs Brazil]

And no real "impact" free agents likely available for that price...which is a problem, because I don't think the Spurs got an "impact" player in Mason for the dollars they spent.

That basically means the Spurs will use their MLE on roster fillers that have a chance to be in the rotation, but likely won't be that coveted "fourth scorer."

:depressed

A 4th scorer would be nice but we won in 07 with the 4th scorer, Finley with 9PPG in regular season and 11.5 in the Playoffs.

The big question is. Can Roger Mason give us those numbers.

Last season Finley scored 6.5 in the Playoffs

[Marcus Bryant]

Short term contract for a bench role.

[silk]

Can he start at SG and duplicate what finley did in 07 ?

If he can, sky is very far from falling

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Hopefully the Celtics lose Posey and House while the Lakers lose Vujacic and don't trade for Artest. :)

[ducks]

artest will mess up lakers

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Well, when you don't want to go over the cap and pay luxury tax, this is pretty much all you can afford.

The Spurs were in zero danger of the luxury tax unless they ended up having to give Thomas something like 10 million a year, but no one has the cap room for that anyway.

[Russ]

The one thing I like about the team we are putting together: at least we are building a team of some very tradable assets. Lots of youth with upside on reasonable contracts that can be packaged very easily to a team at the trade deadline that has to move a fourth option player.

Think about it. Udoka, Gist, Hill, Ian, Thomas and Mason are all going to be very packagable pieces if the right player comes up at the trade deadline.

Agree (except Udoka, Thomas and Mason ain't so young).

[Buddy Holly]

And no real "impact" free agents likely available for that price...which is a problem, because I don't think the Spurs got an "impact" player in Mason for the dollars they spent.

That basically means the Spurs will use their MLE on roster fillers that have a chance to be in the rotation, but likely won't be that coveted "fourth scorer."

:depressed

He puts up better numbers on offense than Azubuiki in the same amount of time yet everyone is upset about this signing and pledging, begging the Spurs to sign Kelenna... what the?

[td4mvp21]

Yay, averages. Who cares? Boston usually had all of Allen, Garnett, and Pierce going in the Finals, and if one of them was off they usually had House or Posey filling the gap.

Your proving my point. The Spurs can get by without a consistent fourth scorer (like Maggette) if they can have role players (like Posey/House/Brown/Celtics bench) that can step up when needed.

Do the Spurs not already have three capable scorers in Manu, Tony, and Tim? They averaged more points combined than the Celtics' Big Three. Don't get me wrong, a fourth scorer would be the best option for this team but it's not happening.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

good he can not play more then 25 minutes a game tell after the allstar break because is he a pussy

ducks, shut the fuck up with the Manu hate, you've posted the same shit in 20 other threads the last two weeks.

Let this be Roger Mason, Jr. talk without your incessant Parker-loving Manu hate fucking it up.

[ducks]

He puts up better numbers on offense than Azubuiki in the same amount of time yet everyone is upset about this signing and pledging, begging the Spurs to sign Kelenna... what the?

mason DOES NOT REBOUND

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Hopefully the Celtics lose Posey and House while the Lakers lose Vujacic and don't trade for Artest. :)

The problem is if Boston loses Posey it will be to New Orleans.

[mardigan]

He is a much, much better player than Finley. I have no doubt he will easily produce at least what Finley did. And he is a much better defender.

[ducks]

ducks, shut the fuck up with the Manu hate, you've posted the same shit in 20 other threads the last two weeks.

Let this be Roger Mason, Jr. talk without your incessant Parker-loving Manu hate fucking it up.

you shut the hell up
if manu could play 40 minutes would not have to sign this dude

[Tully365]

Mason and Azubuike are almost identical, except for Buike's superior rebounding. Well, the Spurs took a chance on Maggette and lost out and decided to play it safe with an unrestricted Mason. It'll be interesting to see what Kelenna is offered now, and if G.S. matches. This isn't a blockbuster move, but it's simple step forward. So, in a two year period, Mason, Udoka, and Hill replace Finley and Vaughn, and maybe Barry. It does make them younger and more athletic. I'm not convinced Barry isn't still in the picture. I guess that will depend how good they fell about Hairston.

[td4mvp21]

good he can not play more then 25 minutes a game tell after the allstar break because is he a pussy

:rolleyes Give me a fucking break

[TeKu]

Short term contract for a bench role.

We all know that bench and starting SG are switched on the Spurs... so in a way yes.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

He puts up better numbers on offense than Azubuiki in the same amount of time yet everyone is upset about this signing and pledging, begging the Spurs to sign Kelenna... what the?

Kelenna had much better rebounding numbers, something the Spurs sorely need.

[romsho]

Is it possible McDonald is wrong about the numbers? Sounds high...the only source of actual contract numbers are McDonalds courtside blog. He hasn't exactly proved to be a beacon of light for new information surrounding the Spurs and what they are doing in the offseason. Fuck.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

mason DOES NOT REBOUND

So he's basically Azubuike with a few less rebounds a game. So what? It's not as if we're dying for rebounding, we need some damn scoring.

[sabar]

Bye Barry.

What happens with our motion offense now?

[Bruno]

July 8th : Spurs are trying to get Maggette
July 9th : Spurs signs Roger Mason

:downspin:

[ducks]

spurs were high on hill
I see no need for barry
mason plays d and does not turn the ball over

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

you shut the hell up
if manu could play 40 minutes would not have to sign this dude

Like I said, take your pathetic ass Manu hate to another thread, this is like the 10th free agency thread you've shitted on with your Manu bashing.


I mean after all, it's a good thing we signed Hill for when Parker turns into a punk ass ball hog, we finally have someone to bench his ass for.

See how fun this is?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

July 8th : Spurs are trying to get Maggette
July 9th : Spurs signs Roger Mason

:downspin:

:lol

[Buddy Holly]

A 4th scorer would be nice but we won in 07 with the 4th scorer, Finley with 9PPG in regular season and 11.5 in the Playoffs.

The big question is. Can Roger Mason give us those numbers.

Last season Finley scored 6.5 in the Playoffs

Mason put up better numbers than Finley in the playoffs, playing less minutes.

[ducks]

spurs better play kurt more
he can rebound

[ducks]

Mason put up better numbers than Finley in the playoffs, playing less minutes.

FINLEY IS TOAST

[DespЏrado]

Agree (except Udoka, Thomas and Mason ain't so young).

Not young but solid role players who can start in a pinch. I just think the Spurs might be planning a run at an Artest or something at the trade deadline if things like health for the big three go sour. This is why I'm not going to treat the off-season like its our last chance to acquire that fourth option for a championship run.

[ducks]

atleast these role players will be hungry
they never won a title

[mardigan]

28 is still pretty young, especially for the Spurs

[Buddy Holly]

mason DOES NOT REBOUND

That was the Spurs biggest problem, rebounds? Really...

[objective]

WOW

Roger Mason Jr?

What, did Juan Dixon demand 3 years?

Was Mo Evans too expensive?

[Rev Hill]

Is it possible McDonald is wrong about the numbers? Sounds high...the only source of actual contract numbers are McDonalds courtside blog. He hasn't exactly proved to be a beacon of light for new information surrounding the Spurs and what they are doing in the offseason. Fuck.

Agree. When do the Spurs ever give out numbers? Particularly this early of a communication release, plus this was just in a blog. We may not know the answer to this until the next Spurs signing or two. I think a bit too high for this kid, but then again, this summer's FA market is paying avg. players above avg. salaries.

Maybe RC liked Mason's hair? JK.....

Keep working RC, no breaks.

[Spurs1234]

i live in DC, he is your typical "udoka" signing, good guy, not bad game, not great game either. He shoots alot, doesnt take it to the hoop and is your basic SG who hangs out and shoots jumpers. Anytime everyone mentioned the 5 or 6 guys we wanted this offseason, i would see mason alot and shiver alittle, knowing he was the last guy i wanted on that list, but was most likely to be signed. and here he is....well boys, i am sure the spurs will win 50 games next year and have a deep run like always, but it aint looking good for ring numero 5

[Buddy Holly]

Kelenna had much better rebounding numbers, something the Spurs sorely need.

Better rebounding out of their 2? Come on now.

The Spurs rebounding numbers will go up just with the additions of Ian, Hill and Gist (if he sticks which I think he will).

[Russ]

Pluses --

Cheap.
Good 3 point shooter (a real key I think).
Good guy.
Insures that JR Smith won't be a Spur. :)

Minuses:

Poor overall shooting percentage (.405)
Kind of old considering his lack of NBA experience.
Can he stop a scoring drought?

Overall:

The SG equivalent of Elson (which I kinda like on balance).

For better or worse, this is a Jackie Butler/Elson type summer.

[bdictjames]

The dude can shoot, but he needs to pick his spots. Im happy for some signing though.

[gmanrulz]

Better rebounding out of their 2? Come on now.

The Spurs rebounding numbers will go up just with the additions of Ian, Hill and Gist (if he sticks which I think he will).

A 2 that can rebound is exactly what we need. We give up so many rebounds because our guards think only the power forward and center need to box out.

[Marcus Bryant]

Pluses:
Can handle the rock
Shot a solid 39.8% on 300+ 3pt FG attempts last season.
Shot a respectable 44% from the field in the first season in which he got regular minutes.

[Solid D]

Pluses --

Cheap.
Good 3 point shooter (a real key I think).
Good guy.
Insures that JR Smith won't be a Spur. :)

Minuses:

Poor overall shooting percentage (.405)
Kind of old considering his lack of NBA experience.
Can he stop a scoring drought?

Overall:

The SG equivalent of Elson (which I kinda like on balance).

For better or worse, this is a Jackie Butler/Elson type summer.

I would add that he is an outstanding FT shooter. I don't see him as a SG equivalent to Elson. He's got a better bb iq.

[mardigan]

Pluses:
Can handle the rock
Shot a solid 39.8% on 300+ 3pt FG attempts last season.
Shot a respectable 44% from the field in the first season in which he got regular minutes.

And got to love that free throw % and the fact he doesnt turn the ball over.


http://www.nba.com/playerfile/roger_mason/game_by_game_stats.html
He had some really good games when he got a good amount of minutes. Guy is an unknown, doesnt mean he wont be good.

[K-State Spur]

WOW

Roger Mason Jr?

What, did Juan Dixon demand 3 years?

Was Mo Evans too expensive?

It took Mason quite a while to figure out the NBA game (and get a decent opportunity to).

But he was playing outstanding ball at the end of last season, much better than Dixon (or others like him) have ever.

Mason's no Maggette, but he's an adequate consolation prize.

[Spurs1234]

i wanted someone that could take it to the rack, thats why i liked Kelenna A., he could take it to the rack...i watched probably 50 spurs games last year, i saw maybe 20 dunks all year, seriously. and they were all duncan put back dunks. Now the know the spurs have never been a team of high flyers, but even looking at 2003, i can remember malik throwing it down on mutombo, or kevin willis putback on the lakers to humuiliate them in game 6...those are the sparks teams need to make runs...something the spurs didnt have this year. in getting mason jr., your getting another jump shooter to go along with all the other jump shooters the spurs have..that is why they go in scoring droughts, no one with the ability to get to the line and put pressure on the defense....

[objective]

FWIW

in the 9 games he started as a Wizard, he averaged:

17.4 pts, 3 rebounds, 3.5 assists

[K-State Spur]

Pluses:
Can handle the rock
Shot a solid 39.8% on 300+ 3pt FG attempts last season.
Shot a respectable 44% from the field in the first season in which he got regular minutes.

washington also asks its guards to take a lot of jumpers. i would suspect his shooting percentage to go up in the spurs system.

[Buddy Holly]

A 2 that can rebound is exactly what we need. We give up so many rebounds because our guards think only the power forward and center need to box out.

Why would a jump shooting 2 who mainly shoots from the outside need to be a great rebounder? Of course Mason isn't a huge rebounder. Same reason Barry isn't a huge rebounder. No surprise.

[xtremesteven33]

X6-3fmFkvT8

[DPG21920]

Mason does not do dick besides shoot and handle the ball ok. He does not rebound, he is not athletic so he can not create for himself, does not dish the ball that well and is not a good defender...this is a terrible mistake of a signing, but it is not costing the Spurs much, I would much rather of had Finley back. He is a poor mans Finley.

[Marcus Bryant]

Oh well. Spurs aren't panicking and are clearly making some changes in the rotation.

[Tully365]

Pluses --

Cheap.
Good 3 point shooter (a real key I think).
Good guy.
Insures that JR Smith won't be a Spur. :)

Minuses:

Poor overall shooting percentage (.405)
Kind of old considering his lack of NBA experience.
Can he stop a scoring drought?

Overall:

The SG equivalent of Elson (which I kinda like on balance).

For better or worse, this is a Jackie Butler/Elson type summer.

Last year was the year he played the most and had the most pressure on him and he shot 44% FG and 40% 3PT-- those numbers should be more relevant than the couple of years before them. The best sign for me is he covered a lot of the missing Arenas minutes and Washington was close to being the same team-- and Gilbert is a couple of days away from signing an almost max deal. If he matches the production of Finley and dramatically improves the team defense, it's a very smart & economical move.

[Darkwaters]

Heres an interesting thought...since Mason is a combo guard then do we even need Vaughn? It seems that if we're in need of a roster spot then we could buy out Vaughn to keep on Gist, Sanikidze or some other project player that we dig up in the D League or Summer League. That at least is a plus.

[TJastal]

so what he's a great free throw shooter, he's gonna get to the line about as much as Finley, so that's what, once every 2 games or so?

[bdictjames]

Heres an interesting thought...since Mason is a combo guard then do we even need Vaughn? It seems that if we're in need of a roster spot then we could buy out Vaughn to keep on Gist, Sanikidze or some other project player that we dig up in the D League or Summer League. That at least is a plus.
I agree, Vaughn should go. Dude is a bust on the offensive side.

Is Hill on the roster?

[Buddy Holly]

Mason does not do dick besides shoot and handle the ball ok. He does not rebound, he is not athletic so he can not create for himself, does not dish the ball that well and is not a good defender...this is a terrible mistake of a signing, but it is not costing the Spurs much, I would much rather of had Finley back. He is a poor mans Finley.

He has better numbers than Finley of now, yet he's a poor man's Finley? WTF?

[DPG21920]

Let me rephrase, depending on what the Spurs want from him it could be a bad fit. If they want him to play Finley's role and nothing more, than it is a good signing with regards to keeping us at the level we were at last year. It does not elevate us, but it allows us to maintain for a low cost...

[xtremesteven33]

so-so pick up from spurs.

now to just sign barry.

Delfino anyone?

[ceperez]

Roger Mason is a decent player. I'm from D.C. and was surprised to see him have a lot of playing time for the Wizards. In fact, down the stretch, it would be him on the court instead of Antonio Daniels.

Unfortunately, the guy's not a slasher, doesn't have enough length to play the forward position, low APG. Truly nothing spectacular, however he just seemed to be a dependable player. Hope we didn't spend a lot of money on him.

The only real plus is that his stats seem to be improving year over year.

I seriously think we need to get players with more length to guard the Wests and Dirks of the world.

[djohn14]

I like it.

[Sherlock Holmes]

:td

I don't like this signing. Doesn't really accomplish anything major.

[blaze89]

Jeff McDonald: Spurs strike deal with Mason
It didn't take long for the Spurs to move on from Corey Maggette.

According to two league sources, the Spurs have reached an agreement with free-agent guard Roger Mason Jr. that would pay him $7.5 million over two years.

Mason, 27, was a revelation for the Washington Wizards last season, his fourth in the NBA. He averaged 9.1 points off the bench, helping the Wizards overcome injuries to guards Gilbert Arenas and Antonio Daniels and make the playoffs.

News of Mason's impending arrival in San Antonio comes a day after Maggette spurned the Spurs and other suitors to accept a five-year, $50 million deal with Golden State.

This isn't the first time the Spurs have shown interest in Mason. They offered him a three-year contract last summer, but he opted to return to Washington for one more season.

A year later, the Spurs appear to have landed their man.

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/archives/2008/07/jeff_mcdonald_s_10.html


So how long before Mason finds himself on the trading block?

[koopa]

So how long before Mason finds himself on the trading block?

probably never cause his contract ends in time for 2010


anyway, i guess he's better then nothing, and at least he's not over 30 already.......

[MannyIsGod]

This could also be due to the fact that if they want to retain Thomas it may cost more than they expected if the Turiaf deal doesn't get matched by LA. They may opt to go after Thomas instead.

[DPG21920]

He has better numbers than Finley of now, yet he's a poor man's Finley? WTF?

When you look at what Finley has done over the course of his ENTIRE career, yes, a poor mans Finley. Finley in the clutch as well is ice cold, he has hit many big PLAYOFF shots, Mason has not. I am indifferent with the move as long as they are not expecting him to shoulder too big a load, especially defensively.

[Spurs1234]

why does everyone get excited over 2010, lets face it, lebron, carmelo, whoever, are not going to sign with the spurs, lets get real. One thing about pro athletes, they play for money first and prefer the flashy destinations ie Cali, NY, MIA, ect.

[Russ]

Maybe it's just the Stockholm Syndrome, but I'm starting to like this guy already.

I always believed that one of the Spurs' FO's best traits was avoiding bad contracts and going for smaller (more flexible) deals for the role players. That way, the Spurs maximize their options and keep these role guys hungry (i.e., playing to earn their first big payday).

[DPG21920]

He does not address what I thought was one of our biggest problems at the 2/3 spot: Defense....

[Buddy Holly]

When you look at what Finley has done over the course of his ENTIRE career, yes, a poor mans Finley. Finley in the clutch as well is ice cold, he has hit many big PLAYOFF shots, Mason has not. I am indifferent with the move as long as they are not expecting him to shoulder too big a load, especially defensively.

WTF does his entire career have to do with how he plays now? We didn't have at his prime Finley last season. We had Finley of last season on this team, Mason isn't a poor man's Finley because Finley is now a poor man's Finley.

[ducks]

:td

I don't like this signing. Doesn't really accomplish anything major.

if spurs had more then the mle they could throw at jr smith then they could do soemthing major
the only way to do something major is to trade manu or tp

[Buddy Holly]

He does not address what I thought was one of our biggest problems at the 2/3 spot: Defense....

He plays better defense than Barry and Finley combined. It's one of his known traits.

My god kid, do you follow the NBA?

[ducks]

He does not address what I thought was one of our biggest problems at the 2/3 spot: Defense....

HE PLAYS D WHAT THE HELL
his o is limited somewhat though

[silk]

Spurs not panicking, really like the signing, they could not really have done any better ( no no no jr...), delfino would be the next i think,

The perimeter rotation would be kind of intriguing, do they keep vaughn ? enough playin time for delfino if we get him ?manu starting ? mason good enough to start ? and Hill, doesn't he seem to duplicate mason ?

[Buddy Holly]

why does everyone get excited over 2010, lets face it, lebron, carmelo, whoever, are not going to sign with the spurs, lets get real. One thing about pro athletes, they play for money first and prefer the flashy destinations ie Cali, NY, MIA, ect.

Firstly, I doubt the Spurs are even trying to go after either player. There will be other free agents in 2010.

Also, players go to the destination that pays more.

[TeKu]

He does not address what I thought was one of our biggest problems at the 2/3 spot: Defense....

Huh, from his FA thread I gathered that the only reason he has hung on in the league (until last season) was his defensive ability. Now he has added some offense. Probably too small for 3 defense but thats Bowen/Udoka's realm anyway.

[MannyIsGod]

So this is what we're looking at ATTM:

Bigs: Duncan, Oberto, Ian, Bonner
Wings: Bowen, Manu, Udoka
Guards: Parker, Hill, Mason

Bring back Thomas and probably Vaughn. I don't see how you bring back Barry or Finely.

[objective]

i wanted someone that could take it to the rack, thats why i liked Kelenna A., he could take it to the rack...i watched probably 50 spurs games last year, i saw maybe 20 dunks all year, seriously. and they were all duncan put back dunks.

Well, according to the CBSSportsline dunk-o-meter (http://cbs.sportsline.com/nba/dunk-o-meter/yearly?&print_rows=9999) . . .

Mason had only 1 dunk all of the 07-08 season. Finley had 6. Barry had 4.

So as far as helping the Spurs get younger, Mason helps.

As far as the Spurs getting more athletic . . . this isn't the guy.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

He plays better defense than Barry and Finley combined. It's one of his known traits.

My god kid, do you follow the NBA?

You have to realize, if DPG hasn't seen a guy light up the Spurs or be clutch in the NBA Finals, he doesn't have a fucking clue about him.

[rj215]

It's been a disappointing couple of days between Maggette selling out for more $$ and us settling for Mason Jr with the majority of the MLE :(

I guess Pop must've meant when he said something along the lines of 'if we don't have the big three healthy nothing else matters'.....and I can't disagree. But we needed a solid starter at SG and we needed to get rid dead weight like Finley, Horry and Vaughn.

It looks like none of that'll happen now. To make it worse, Barry will probably end up on the Suns.....man I hope Pop and RC didn't hit the wine sellar before yesterday...I guess we can kiss Kalenna, JR and Posey good-bye now...

[MannyIsGod]

Well, according to the CBSSportsline dunk-o-meter (http://cbs.sportsline.com/nba/dunk-o-meter/yearly?&print_rows=9999) . . .

Mason had only 1 dunk all of the 07-08 season. Finley had 6. Barry had 4.

So as far as helping the Spurs get younger, Mason helps.

As far as the Spurs getting more athletic . . . this isn't the guy.

.....

Dunking = athelticism now?

Wowwwwwwww

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs are looking for diamonds in the rough. There are few UFAs they could land with the MLE for two years. They obviously saw something they liked as they offered him a 3 year deal last summer with his NBA career to that point not really warranting such a commitment. Last season I think he showed that he was worth it. The Spurs' system requires guards who can shoot the 3 and handle the rock. They still have the flexibility (remainder of MLE, LLE, & trade exception) to add some role players.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

So this is what we're looking at ATTM:

Bigs: Duncan, Oberto, Ian, Bonner
Wings: Bowen, Manu, Udoka
Guards: Parker, Hill, Mason

Bring back Thomas and probably Vaughn. I don't see how you bring back Barry or Finely.

I'd like to see Barry back as a mentor/locker room guy/glue guy.

If Finley is back on this team for opening day next year the front office gets an automatic F.

[Buddy Holly]

You have to realize, if DPG hasn't seen a guy light up the Spurs or be clutch in the NBA Finals, he doesn't have a fucking clue about him.

That figures.

[Tully365]

Maybe it's just the Stockholm Syndrome, but I'm starting to like this guy already.

I always believed that one of the Spurs' FO's best traits was avoiding bad contracts and going for smaller (more flexible) deals for the role players. That way, the Spurs maximize their options and keep these role guys hungry (i.e., playing to earn their first big payday).

Hilarious! I feel the same way... and if they'd waited for Smith or Azubuike and lost out, people really would've gone ballistic!

[T Park]

Solid to good player.

Other guys like Azubuike and Smith are gonna go for higher, as evidenced by the apparent overinflation of contracts given out.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

.....

Dunking = athelticism now?

Wowwwwwwww

Beat me to it, we've got some logic challenged individuals on this site.

[Sherlock Holmes]

if spurs had more then the mle they could throw at jr smith then they could do soemthing major
the only way to do something major is to trade manu or tp
I would have rather signed Pietrus for the full MLE than Mason for half of it. That would have been a lot better. We need a long swing man, Pietrus is it, and he's the best the spurs could have gotten, Mason is George Hill. I don't care if Pietrus is 'dumb'.

[Buddy Holly]

It's been a disappointing couple of days between Maggette selling out for more $$ and us settling for Mason Jr with the majority of the MLE :(

So far only Ol' McDonald has posted that number. It may be right on or it may be completely off. We'll see.

[misterx91578]

I don't like the move or hate it really

[Darkwaters]

So this is what we're looking at ATTM:

Bigs: Duncan, Oberto, Ian, Bonner
Wings: Bowen, Manu, Udoka
Guards: Parker, Hill, Mason

Bring back Thomas and probably Vaughn. I don't see how you bring back Barry or Finely.

Vaughn is on the roster. He picked up his player option.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Solid to good player.

Other guys like Azubuike and Smith are gonna go for higher, as evidenced by the apparent overinflation of contracts given out.

How can you overinflate the MLE?

[Marcus Bryant]

I would have rather signed Pietrus for the full MLE than Mason for half of it. That would have been a lot better. We need a long swing man, Pietrus is it, and he's the best the spurs could have gotten, Mason is George Hill. I don't care if Pietrus is 'dumb'.

For 5 years instead of for 2?

[Duncan2177]

We should use the rest of the MLE on Najera or Barnes.

[DPG21920]

Do you watch the damn games, do not just read blogs... I watch every single game for every single team. He was an average defender at best, maybe it was a case of a good individual defender on a bad team, but Stevenson stood out defensively as well as Butler, Mason, not so much...

[MannyIsGod]

Spurs are looking for diamonds in the rough. There are few UFAs they could land with the MLE for two years. They obviously saw something they liked as they offered him a 3 year deal last summer with his NBA career to that point not really warranting such a commitment. Last season I think he showed that he was worth it. The Spurs' system requires guards who can shoot the 3 and handle the rock.

I don't think a lot of people understand how far the Spurs defense slipped last year. A lot of the scoring droughts the Spurs go through have been around since Pop started coaching this team, but the fact is their defense made little light of it since they would shut teams down. Over the years they'd gone away from players who thrived in that with the additions of Finely, Oberto, and Barry but I think this summer they've taken a step back in that direction.

I don't know if the reasoning is correct or not (we'll see next season) but I suspect the Spurs feel that their offense isn't the biggest problem at the moment but their defense is.

[mardigan]

I would have rather signed Pietrus for the full MLE than Mason for half of it. That would have been a lot better. We need a long swing man, Pietrus is it, and he's the best the spurs could have gotten, Mason is George Hill. I don't care if Pietrus is 'dumb'.

I honestly think I would rather have Mason than Pietrus. Then again, I'm not a big fan of Pietrus at all. At least Mason helps score some points.

[Buddy Holly]

.....

Dunking = athelticism now?

Wowwwwwwww

I think he defeated his own logic when he listed Barry and Finley having more dunks. :lol

[Spuradicator]

Good signing but I'm going to be pissed if we passed over Kelenna for this guy.

+1

[MannyIsGod]

I would have rather signed Pietrus for the full MLE than Mason for half of it. That would have been a lot better. We need a long swing man, Pietrus is it, and he's the best the spurs could have gotten, Mason is George Hill. I don't care if Pietrus is 'dumb'.

:lol @ you don't care if he's dumb. Spurs were not going to pay the full MLE to Pietrus for 5 years. You're out of your god damn mind if you believe that.

[Spurs Brazil]

I'd like to see us signing Barnes with the rest of MLE

TP/Hill/JV
Mason/Manu/Finley (minimum)
Bruce/Barnes/Ime
TD/Bonner/Gist
Thomas/Ian/Oberto

[DPG21920]

WTF does his entire career have to do with how he plays now? We didn't have at his prime Finley last season. We had Finley of last season on this team, Mason isn't a poor man's Finley because Finley is now a poor man's Finley.

You are not too bright, Finley was a part of a championship team with the Spurs and has been the main guy for teams. He has more winning in his blood and more experience (both with and without the Spurs) than Mason has in his entire career.

[MannyIsGod]

We should use the rest of the MLE on Najera or Barnes.

Eddie is out of our reach now. He'll cost too much. Barnes I don't know, I suppose that is a possibility. I could also see the Spurs resigning Vaughn and Thomas and calling it an offseason.

[Buddy Holly]

Do you watch the damn games, do not just read blogs... I watch every single game for every single team. He was an average defender at best, maybe it was a case of a good individual defender on a bad team, but Stevenson stood out defensively as well as Butler, Mason, not so much...

You watch every single game for every single team... :wow :lol :rollin


Is this you?

http://fishbowl.pastiche.org/archives/pictures/matrix-architect.jpg

[MannyIsGod]

You are not too bright, Finley was a part of a championship team with the Spurs and has been the main guy for teams. He has more winning in his blood and more experience (both with and without the Spurs) than Mason has in his entire career.

Using your logic lets go sign Magic Johnson because he carried teams at one point. Or shit, why stop there I bet Bob Cousy is available. I don't believe he's a RFA.

You should just stop. Please. For your sake and my reading sanity.

[Marcus Bryant]

One wonders if the Spurs could move Raptor fan favorite Bonner for Delfino in a S&T and then sign Javtokas (or bring back Horry) with the LLE.

[Buddy Holly]

You are not too bright, Finley was a part of a championship team with the Spurs and has been the main guy for teams. He has more winning in his blood and more experience (both with and without the Spurs) than Mason has in his entire career.

My god, arguing with you is like arguing with a retarded wall.

[T Park]

Do you watch the damn games, do not just read blogs... I watch every single game for every single team. He was an average defender at best, maybe it was a case of a good individual defender on a bad team, but Stevenson stood out defensively as well as Butler, Mason, not so much...

Wrong.

Roger Mason is a damn good defender.

[ducks]

Javtokas (or bring back Horry)
HORRY OVER CHICKEN JAVOKAS

[Sherlock Holmes]

For 5 years instead of for 2?

Give Pietrus the full MLE contract over whatever number of years that best fit the spurs fincancially. basically what the magic did. Now Spurs are looking at 4 PG's Parker, Hill, Vaugh, Mason, although Mason and Hill could techincally play the wing position, it isn't really what the spurs need in the wing position, they someone with length and athelticismc and who move laterally/defend, I'm not saying mason or hill can't do those things, but they're not as long, don't know they're wingspans or reaches, but they are 6'5 where as peitrus is 6'8 and long. Excuse me for my spelling IDGAF

Now the spurs are looking at 2 LLE's and with players like Mason who demand half of the LLE and players like Pietrus who's market value is somehow the full MLE, they can't really sign anybody major. unless if they trade their exception or do some S&T's. So basically I think the Spurs will use the rest of their LLE to sign Thomas and the other half of the MLE to sign Barry/Finley/Horry/?

[T Park]

My god, arguing with you is like arguing with a retarded wall.

Thats insulting the retarded wall.

[Buddy Holly]

Javtokas (or bring back Horry)
HORRY OVER CHICKEN JAVOKAS

Jav is a chicken?

[T Park]

Give Pietrus the full MLE contract over whatever number of years that best fit the spurs fincancially. basically what the magic did. Now Spurs are looking at 4 PG's Parker, Hill, Vaugh, Mason, although Mason and Hill could techincally play the wing position, it isn't really what the spurs need in the wing position, they someone with length and athelticismc and who move laterally/defend, I'm not saying mason or hill can't do those things, but they're not as long, don't know they're wingspans or reaches, but they are 6'5 where as peitrus is 6'8 and long. Excuse me for my spelling IDGAF

Now the spurs are looking at 2 LLE's and with players like Mason who demand half of the LLE and players like Pietrus who's market value is somehow the full MLE, they can't really sign anybody major. unless if they trade their exception or do some S&T's. So basically I think the Spurs will use their LLE to sign Thomas and the other half of the MLE to sign Barry/Finley/Horry/?


Uh no, he wanted 5 years, Spurs only wanted to give 2.

[HarlemHeat37]

Finley is done..he's arguably the worst defender and passer in the NBA at this point, and he rarely makes a shot when he takes a dribble..he's useless..

Mason is a good player, but 7.5? disgusting..

[Spurs1234]

well, lets just hope the rest of player movement helps the spurs since the spurs didnt really help themselve in the offseason..ie posey goes to cle or something, make the c's worse. it still would have been nice to get an impact player or an athletic player, instead we got stuck with the same old spurs signging, nice guy that can shoot and play in the system. But you can only have so many players like that until you need a wildcard to mix things up...

[T Park]

How can you overinflate the MLE?

Theres teams with cap room that could pay more than the mle....

[DPG21920]

That figures.

Fuck you and that tard Aggiefan. I watch more bball than both of you combined. If you are expecting Mason to be a savior then you are fools. With the kind of money the Spurs had to spend, they can not afford an impact player. Did Mason get any mention of all defensive teams ever? He was an average signing for below average money, that does nothing to help the Spurs get better...he helps them maintain.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Uh no, he wanted 5 years, Spurs only wanted to give 2.

Yeah and now the Spurs are stuck with Mason, because they think they can go for a big name in 2010.

[T Park]

Eddie is out of our reach now. He'll cost too much. Barnes I don't know, I suppose that is a possibility. I could also see the Spurs resigning Vaughn and Thomas and calling it an offseason.

Vaughn is already signed, I think Najera will want more of the MLE though probobly.

[brettn]

You watch every single game for every single team... :wow :lol :rollin


Is this you?

http://fishbowl.pastiche.org/archives/pictures/matrix-architect.jpg


hahahahahaha!

[Spurs Brazil]

Mason isn't a PG, he's a SG

[ducks]

Jav is a chicken?

THOUGHT HE COULD NOT BEAT OUT ELSON:lol:lol:lol:lol

[T Park]

Yeah and now the Spurs are stuck with Mason, because they think they can go for a big name in 2010.

Pietrus sucks, move on.

[AFBlue]

Mason doesn't fit the "Finley" role and I don't see how spending slightly more on him than Bonner assures that he'll be the starting guard.

Mason fits the Barry role....decent handle, athleticism, and 3pt shot. If the Spurs are looking to get "Finley" minutes and production out of him, I think they'll probably be disappointed.

Beyond that, as a fan I was hoping the Spurs could make an upgrade from Finley this off-season.

Again, he's not a bad signing if it would've been a Udoka-type deal for Udoka-type bargain....but at more than half the MLE it's too rich for my blood.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Pietrus sucks, move on.

Yeah he's average at best. But Pietrus > Mason.

[mardigan]

Fuck you and that tard Aggiefan. I watch more bball than both of you combined. If you are expecting Mason to be a savior then you are fools. With the kind of money the Spurs had to spend, they can not afford an impact player. Did Mason get any mention of all defensive teams ever? He was an average signing for below average money, that does nothing to help the Spurs get better...he helps them maintain.

Who said he would be a savior? All any sane person knows at this point is that Finley is done and Mason isnt. That alone makes him better than Finley.

[T Park]

One wonders if the Spurs could move Raptor fan favorite Bonner for Delfino in a S&T and then sign Javtokas (or bring back Horry) with the LLE.

Javtokas probobly wouldn't take the LLE it would be "insulting" and doubtfull Toronto wants him back :lol

[T Park]

Yeah he's average at best. But Pietrus > Mason.


:lol

You pietrus fans act like hes Michael Jordan.

[T Park]

Mason isn't a PG, he's a SG


Your not gonna convince these knuckle heads.

[mardigan]

Yeah he's average at best. But Pietrus > Mason.

Pietrus is longer yes, but Im not sure if he's head and shoulders above Mason defensively. But Mason is much better than Pietrus offensively.

[Marcus Bryant]

Give Pietrus the full MLE contract over whatever number of years that best fit the spurs fincancially. basically what the magic did. Now Spurs are looking at 4 PG's Parker, Hill, Vaugh, Mason, although Mason and Hill could techincally play the wing position, it isn't really what the spurs need in the wing position, they someone with length and athelticismc and who move laterally/defend, I'm not saying mason or hill can't do those things, but they're not as long, don't know they're wingspans or reaches, but they are 6'5 where as peitrus is 6'8 and long. Excuse me for my spelling IDGAF

Mason is a 2. That he has point guard skills is a plus. Pietrus for 5 years is a panic move and the Spurs weren't going to get him for less than that.



Now the spurs are looking at 2 LLE's and with players like Mason who demand half of the LLE and players like Pietrus who's market value is somehow the full MLE, they can't really sign anybody major. unless if they trade their exception or do some S&T's. So basically I think the Spurs will use the rest of their LLE to sign Thomas and the other half of the MLE to sign Barry/Finley/Horry/?

So they keep Barry and Thomas. Meanwhile they've replaced Finley and added very athletic backups at the 1 and 4.

[Sherlock Holmes]

:lol

You pietrus fans act like hes Michael Jordan.

I'm not a pietrus fan I'm a spurs fan and the spurs needed somebody who was long and atheltic and who could defend. Pietrus is tall, lengthy and can defend and Pop can spank the dumbness out of him. I'd rather have had signed Pietrus. But that's just me.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah and now the Spurs are stuck with Mason, because they think they can go for a big name in 2010.

Man this is why I don't post in these threads anymore. Having to read idiotic post after idiotic post makes my fucking head hurt. Please stop posting. Please.

Just read what people smarter than you have to say on the subject because it is painfully obvious how clueless you are.

THERE IS NO WAY PIETRUS IS WORTH 5 YEARS OF THE FULL MLE AND IF THE SPURS HAD GIVEN HIM THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GIANT STEP BACKWARDS KIND OF LIKE THE ONE I TOOK WHEN I READ ONE OF YOUR POSTS.

[Darkwaters]

Thinking through the roster heres what I see now:

Parker/Hill/Vaughn
Ginobili/Bowen/Udoka/Mason
Duncan/Oberto/Mahinmi/Bonner

Lets assume now that the Spurs resign Thomas.

Duncan/Thomas/Oberto/Mahinmi/Bonner

The Spurs stand to sign perhaps 2 more wing players plus another post. Perhaps even 3. Vaughn could be bought out which would free up a roster slot for a project player. Hence the Spurs could waive Vaughn, sign Gist and Hairston, and still be able to bring in a post and another wing.

Hence on the wing:
Ginobili/Mason/FA Wing/Hairston
Bowen/Udoka/Gist

With only the LLE to work with I'd potentially take a stab at a player thats somewhat high risk/high reward.

Having watched him at length I'd consider Kirk Snyder. Although I'm not sure he'd be interested in being the 5th swingman in our rotation.

Someone mentioned Tony Allen might be attainable for the LLE. If thats true then he'd be worth it I think.

Whats the going rate of Dorrell Wright? I really have no idea, but probably more than LLE land I'd assume.

Still, the Spurs should take a stab at developing and signing some players that may pan out. Low cost, short-term contracts seem reasonable. Especially the 2nd round draft pick variety.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm not a pietrus fan I'm a spurs fan and the spurs needed somebody who was long and atheltic and who could defend. Pietrus is tall, lengthy and can defend and Pop can spank the dumbness out of him. I'd rather have had signed Pietrus. But that's just me.

Yeah I wish spanking the dumbness out of someone was possible because you'd be my number one project.

[Marcus Bryant]

I'm not a pietrus fan I'm a spurs fan and the spurs needed somebody who was long and atheltic and who could defend. Pietrus is tall, lengthy and can defend and Pop can spank the dumbness out of him. I'd rather have had signed Pietrus. But that's just me.


Just like this guy:

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2006/12/11/PH2006121100910.jpg

[Buddy Holly]

Fuck you and that tard Aggiefan. I watch more bball than both of you combined. If you are expecting Mason to be a savior then you are fools. With the kind of money the Spurs had to spend, they can not afford an impact player. Did Mason get any mention of all defensive teams ever? He was an average signing for below average money, that does nothing to help the Spurs get better...he helps them maintain.

Brought to you by:

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LOL at him thinking anyone thinks Mason is a "savior." :lmao

[DPG21920]

Using your logic lets go sign Magic Johnson because he carried teams at one point. Or shit, why stop there I bet Bob Cousy is available. I don't believe he's a RFA.

You should just stop. Please. For your sake and my reading sanity.

I you retarded? That was the worst comparison. Finley still plays. You bandwagon fucks. You just think Finley is completely washed up and incapable of playing still....

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You are not too bright, Finley was a part of a championship team with the Spurs and has been the main guy for teams. He has more winning in his blood and more experience (both with and without the Spurs) than Mason has in his entire career.

Yeah, and he's so old now he needs a fucking walker to get up the court.

Jaren Jackson once helped us win a championship, maybe you want him to come back too.

It's great than Finley could be an All-Star like 10 years ago, but this is 2008, not 1998.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah he's average at best. But Pietrus > Mason.

Look at the difference in prices dumbass!

[DespЏrado]

I'll say it again. The Spurs are going to have a ton of options in terms of assets at the trade deadline. People will want players like this with short contracts that can be bought out or make the team. The free agents this year sucked ass, except for Corey, and when we missed out on him the Spurs needed to look at filling some holes for the short term, basically taking out a flyer on a bunch of youth, and seeing how the team develops through the season.

Players like JR Smith and Pietrius are good but ultimately not championship material. And they come with too many demands for long term contracts.

Players like Udoka, Ian, Mason, Thomas, Hill, and Gist will be combine to make a great package if the right player becomes available at the deadline.

[MannyIsGod]

I you retarded? That was the worst comparison. Finley still plays. You bandwagon fucks. You just think Finley is completely washed up and incapable of playing still....

:lol

Self pwnage is always the best kind.

[DPG21920]

You watch every single game for every single team... :wow :lol :rollin


Is this you?

http://fishbowl.pastiche.org/archives/pictures/matrix-architect.jpg

Its called NBA League Pass, your cheap ass should cough up the dough to get it. Or call your one friend and go half on it..

[mardigan]

You just think Finley is completely washed up and incapable of playing still....

Yep, we watched him play last year.

[Buddy Holly]

I you retarded? That was the worst comparison. Finley still plays. You bandwagon fucks. You just think Finley is completely washed up and incapable of playing still....

http://i.thefairest.info/funniest_thumbs/4Ov7LV.jpeg

[benefactor]

We had to do something...and waiting out RFA's until the market drys up only to have the other team match is just too risky, especially with the time we have already lost believing in Faggette. This is a decent move when you consider all the circumstances. We get a guy in his prime coming of his best season and only have him on the books for 2 years. Bitching about it just makes you sound bitter toward things that we can do nothing about now.

[Buddy Holly]

Its called NBA League Pass, your cheap ass should cough up the dough to get it. Or call your one friend and go half on it..

You bastard... you're so mean.

[Marcus Bryant]

I'll say it again. The Spurs are going to have a ton of options in terms of assets at the trade deadline. People will want players like this with short contracts that can be bought out or make the team. The free agents this year sucked ass, except for Corey, and when we missed out on him the Spurs needed to look at filling some holes for the short term, basically taking out a flyer on a bunch of youth, and seeing how the team develops through the season.

Players like JR Smith and Pietrius are good but ultimately not championship material.
Players like Udoka, Ian, Mason, Thomas, Hill, and Gist will be combine to make a great package if the right player becomes available at the deadline.

Yes, the Spurs could find themselves a nice deal before the Feb 2010 trade deadline with a team looking to clear cap for the Summer of LeBron.

[lefty]

wait... so barry is gone!? Who is he signing with!?

The L.A Clippers