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Strike
07-10-2008, 11:54 AM
Link here. (http://www.newsweek.com/id/143792/page/1)

True Or False: Having Kids Makes You Happy
By Lorraine Ali | NEWSWEEK
July 7-14, 2008 issue

When I was growing up, our former neighbors, whom we'll call the Sloans, were the only couple on the block without kids. It wasn't that they couldn't have children; according to Mr. Sloan, they just chose not to. All the other parents, including mine, thought it was odd—even tragic. So any bad luck that befell the Sloans—the egging of their house one Halloween; the landslide that sent their pool careering to the street below—was somehow attributed to that fateful decision they'd made so many years before. "Well," the other adults would say, "you know they never did have kids." Each time I visited the Sloans, I'd search for signs of insanity, misery or even regret in their superclean home, yet I never seemed to find any. From what I could tell, the Sloans were happy, maybe even happier than my parents, despite the fact that they were (whisper) childless.

My impressions may have been swayed by the fact that their candy dish was always full, but several studies now show that the Sloans could well have been more content than most of the traditional families around them. In Daniel Gilbert's 2006 book "Stumbling on Happiness," the Harvard professor of psychology looks at several studies and concludes that marital satisfaction decreases dramatically after the birth of the first child—and increases only when the last child has left home. He also ascertains that parents are happier grocery shopping and even sleeping than spending time with their kids. Other data cited by 2008's "Gross National Happiness" author, Arthur C. Brooks, finds that parents are about 7 percentage points less likely to report being happy than the childless.

The most recent comprehensive study on the emotional state of those with kids shows us that the term "bundle of joy" may not be the most accurate way to describe our offspring. "Parents experience lower levels of emotional well-being, less frequent positive emotions and more frequent negative emotions than their childless peers," says Florida State University's Robin Simon, a sociology professor who's conducted several recent parenting studies, the most thorough of which came out in 2005 and looked at data gathered from 13,000 Americans by the National Survey of Families and Households. "In fact, no group of parents—married, single, step or even empty nest—reported significantly greater emotional well-being than people who never had children. It's such a counterintuitive finding because we have these cultural beliefs that children are the key to happiness and a healthy life, and they're not."

Simon received plenty of hate mail in response to her research ("Obviously Professor Simon hates her kids," read one), which isn't surprising. Her findings shake the very foundation of what we've been raised to believe is true. In a recent NEWSWEEK Poll, 50 percent of Americans said that adding new children to the family tends to increase happiness levels. Only one in six (16 percent) said that adding new children had a negative effect on the parents' happiness. But which parent is willing to admit that the greatest gift life has to offer has in fact made his or her life less enjoyable?

Parents may openly lament their lack of sleep, hectic schedules and difficulty in dealing with their surly teens, but rarely will they cop to feeling depressed due to the everyday rigors of child rearing. "If you admit that kids and parenthood aren't making you happy, it's basically blasphemy," says Jen Singer, a stay-at-home mother of two from New Jersey who runs the popular parenting blog MommaSaid.net. "From baby-lotion commercials that make motherhood look happy and well rested, to commercials for Disney World where you're supposed to feel like a kid because you're there with your kids, we've made parenthood out to be one blissful moment after another, and it's disappointing when you find out it's not."


Is it possible that American parents have always been this disillusioned? Anecdotal evidence says no. In pre-industrial America, parents certainly loved their children, but their offspring also served a purpose—to work the farm, contribute to the household. Children were a necessity. Today, we have kids more for emotional reasons, but an increasingly complicated work and social environment has made finding satisfaction far more difficult. A key study by University of Wisconsin-Madison's Sara McLanahan and Julia Adams, conducted some 20 years ago, found that parenthood was perceived as significantly more stressful in the 1970s than in the 1950s; the researchers attribute part of that change to major shifts in employment patterns. The majority of American parents now work outside the home, have less support from extended family and face a deteriorating education and health-care system, so raising children has not only become more complicated—it has become more expensive. Today the U.S. Department of Agriculture estimates that it costs anywhere from $134,370 to $237,520 to raise a child from birth to the age of 17—and that's not counting school or college tuition. No wonder parents are feeling a little blue.

Societal ills aside, perhaps we also expect too much from the promise of parenting. The National Marriage Project's 2006 "State of Our Unions" report says that parents have significantly lower marital satisfaction than nonparents because they experienced more single and child-free years than previous generations. Twenty-five years ago, women married around the age of 20, and men at 23. Today both sexes are marrying four to five years later. This means the experience of raising kids is now competing with highs in a parent's past, like career wins ("I got a raise!") or a carefree social life ("God, this is a great martini!"). Shuttling cranky kids to school or dashing to work with spit-up on your favorite sweater doesn't skew as romantic.

For the childless, all this research must certainly feel redeeming. As for those of us with kids, well, the news isn't all bad. Parents still report feeling a greater sense of purpose and meaning in their lives than those who've never had kids. And there are other rewarding aspects of parenting that are impossible to quantify. For example, I never thought it possible to love someone as deeply as I love my son. As for the Sloans, it's hard to say whether they had a less meaningful existence than my parents, or if my parents were 7 percent less happy than the Sloans. Perhaps it just comes down to how you see the candy dish—half empty or half full. Or at least as a parent, that's what I'll keep telling myself.

Answer: False

thispego
07-10-2008, 11:55 AM
oh this should be good

BacktoBasics
07-10-2008, 11:55 AM
Good luck getting any kind of honest answer here. This board is too self-righteous.

stretch
07-10-2008, 11:58 AM
i think there are many ways in which having children can be a blessing. but with the way things are these days, i know i dont want any kids.

Vinnie_Johnson
07-10-2008, 11:58 AM
Waiting with baited breath.

midgetonadonkey
07-10-2008, 11:59 AM
It turned peewee into a vagina.

Condemned 2 HelLA
07-10-2008, 12:01 PM
The MAKING of the kids part is fun........
......it's the afterwards part that's probably not so much.

peewee's lovechild
07-10-2008, 12:01 PM
Hahaha, yes.

Vinnie_Johnson
07-10-2008, 12:02 PM
It turned peewee into a vagina.

Does having a cat really make you happy?

midgetonadonkey
07-10-2008, 12:04 PM
Fuck that cat. I want it dead.

Brutalis
07-10-2008, 12:05 PM
False.

Nobody plans on kids, they are accidents anyways.

Viva Las Espuelas
07-10-2008, 12:06 PM
a nice brisk walk should help

Vinnie_Johnson
07-10-2008, 12:07 PM
Fuck that cat. I want it dead.

I know this guy and for a little cash he can make it look like an accident.

mrsmaalox
07-10-2008, 12:11 PM
Having kids has made me very happy. But everyone's circumstances are different. I have never had to deal with the worry of not being able to feed, shelter or clothe my children. I've never struggled with childcare because I haven't had to work outside of my home. We've had all the typical "close calls", but my kids are healthy; chronic illness has never been an issue. I have a very large support system: husband, parents, in laws, friends,etc.
So for me it's been a wonderful experience. But I can certainly understand where others may not be so fulfilled by it.

baseline bum
07-10-2008, 12:22 PM
Kids suck. The moment you get out of school, get a job, and have some serious disposable income, you're supposed to throw it all away to create and raise some little bastard. To hell with that.

drunkendan
07-10-2008, 12:29 PM
Raising a child can be very stressful, but at the end of the day I can seriously say that I happy where I am at.

That being said, a child doesn't determine your happiness. I could be just as happy without a child.

Viva Las Espuelas
07-10-2008, 12:32 PM
gee, i'm glad the parents of the people in here that have voiced their opinions against kids had better attitudes then you. you could've been sent flush down the toilet or in a trash bag with about 20 other remains. me, i personally can't wait 'til i have a child of my own. that kid is never going to doubt my love for them ever no matter how rich or poor i am. period.

Strike
07-10-2008, 12:52 PM
I don't know if I want any kids. If I were to decide I want kids, I would adopt. I was adopted and it was the best thing that could have ever happened to me.

With so many parentless kids in this country it just makes little sense to me to breed. Instead of adding to the population, I'd rather enhance the current population.

BacktoBasics
07-10-2008, 12:54 PM
gee, i'm glad the parents of the people in here that have voiced their opinions against kids had better attitudes then you. you could've been sent flush down the toilet or in a trash bag with about 20 other remains. me, i personally can't wait 'til i have a child of my own. that kid is never going to doubt my love for them ever no matter how rich or poor i am. period.
Typical dumbshit response from you. No one ever said that there is a lack of love for the child. Not once was love ever mentioned.

CuckingFunt
07-10-2008, 12:54 PM
If you want to be a parent and raise a family, then, yes, I would imagine that having kids would make you happy.

If you were planning a life that didn't involve taking on the responsibility of having a child, then they're probably a drag.

These articles that try to find one universal answer to questions like this amuse me. Everyone's different.

Strike
07-10-2008, 12:57 PM
Typical dumbshit response from you. No one ever said that there is a lack of love for the child. Not once was love ever mentioned.

Exactly. The point of the article was not to say people don't love their kids. It only implied that having kids isn't the end all/be all answer to happiness.

In my opinion, most people shouldn't have kids anyway. Too many fucked up people have kids and, in turn, end up fucking their kids up.

Viva Las Espuelas
07-10-2008, 12:57 PM
Typical dumbshit response from you. No one ever said that there is a lack of love for the child. Not once was love ever mentioned.


False.

Nobody plans on kids, they are accidents anyways.


Kids suck. The moment you get out of school, get a job, and have some serious disposable income, you're supposed to throw it all away to create and raise some little bastard. To hell with that.

parent: come here accident-income-depleter. have i ever told you i love you?

yeah i can feel the love
:rolleyes

tlongII
07-10-2008, 01:02 PM
Kids are the closest you will ever get to being immortal.

baseline bum
07-10-2008, 01:04 PM
Xw9m1rrszzs

Viva Las Espuelas
07-10-2008, 01:09 PM
Kids are the closest you will ever get to being immortal.
:toast

tp2021
07-10-2008, 01:10 PM
Kids are the closest you will ever get to being immortal.

thats probably the most profound statement i have ever seen out of you.

Spurminator
07-10-2008, 01:14 PM
If you want to be a parent and raise a family, then, yes, I would imagine that having kids would make you happy.

If you were planning a life that didn't involve taking on the responsibility of having a child, then they're probably a drag.

These articles that try to find one universal answer to questions like this amuse me. Everyone's different.


Well said.

For me, I know I'll be more happy because that kid is going to start learning a lot of chores when he's 2.

peewee's lovechild
07-10-2008, 01:49 PM
My kid is cool and she makes me happy.
If that makes me a pussy, so be it.

Like I give a shit what anyone thinks anyway.

I know she's going to grow up and I'm probably going to have to deal with some bullshit during the teenage years, but that doesn't bother me in the least.

People that have a shit time with kids are the kind of people that never wanted to have kids to begin with and that are just consumed with themsleves. That's their fucking problem.

angel_luv
07-10-2008, 02:35 PM
Kids are the greatest investment ever and they are so fun too!

I was adopted into what became a big family and loved it.
I want five kids, but I'll take more if God gives them to me.

Cheese
07-10-2008, 02:44 PM
Its the American dream...

JoeChalupa
07-10-2008, 02:51 PM
My self righteous answer is YES. I'm very happy for my kids. Yeah there are times when they get on my bad side but those are few and far between compared to 99% of the good times. I always wanted kids.

JoeChalupa
07-10-2008, 02:51 PM
My kid is cool and she makes me happy.
If that makes me a pussy, so be it.

Like I give a shit what anyone thinks anyway.

I know she's going to grow up and I'm probably going to have to deal with some bullshit during the teenage years, but that doesn't bother me in the least.

People that have a shit time with kids are the kind of people that never wanted to have kids to begin with and that are just consumed with themsleves. That's their fucking problem.

:tu

smeagol
07-10-2008, 02:55 PM
Kids rule

Viva Las Espuelas
07-10-2008, 03:05 PM
Its the American dream...

HELL NO.
THIS IS THE AMERICAN DREAM!!!!!!!!!!!
FuOavpbCm04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuOavpbCm04

Michael Kelso
07-10-2008, 03:49 PM
I won't say it hasn't been hard at times, coz it has, but I love my daughter...shes the best thing that ever happened to me.

2centsworth
07-10-2008, 03:55 PM
I freakin love being a Dad.

slayermin
07-10-2008, 04:04 PM
If I didn't have Directv, yeah I think I would want to be a dad.

Kidding aside, just experiencing my three nephews and nieces for a week recently, uh, I don't think I am no where ready for fatherhood.

MannyIsGod
07-10-2008, 04:36 PM
People with children usually say the kids make them happy but its pretty hard to gauge how happy you would be without kids because its an impossible tangent to visit. I'm fairly certain that there are a lot of people who have excellent lives without kids, and I'm fairly certain that they would not be happier with a child. On the flipside, there are people are happier with a child.

I never understood the need to gauge your level of happiness against that of other people based upon what they have and what you do. It screams of insecurity and unhappiness. "Hey look at me - I don't have kids and I'm happier than you cause you have to change diapers!" Certain things will make you happy and certain things will make others happy and the key to everything is just do what makes you happy and not worry about anyone else. Life isn't a pissing contest.

Oh yeah, and my best friend had his 2nd child yesterday. He seems pretty damn happy.

HighLowLobForBig-50
07-10-2008, 05:06 PM
i think there are many ways in which having children can be a blessing. but with the way things are these days, i know i dont want any kids.

leemajors
07-10-2008, 05:08 PM
i had decided i didn't want kids, but then my gf got pregnant. Our relationship soured after our daughter was around 3, but i couldn't imagine going through life without my little girl now. Once they start smiling at you you're hooked.

peewee's lovechild
07-10-2008, 05:10 PM
Once they start smiling at you you're hooked.

There's nothing in this world that compares with that.

spursfan09
07-10-2008, 05:16 PM
I want children one day. But first I have some things I want to do, like finish college and a get a good job, and ofcourse get married first. I came close to having a kid, but looking back, I don't know how I would of been able to take care of it while still being in school. I would of ended up working a job I didn't like, and in that particular way I would of been unhappy.

David Wooderson
07-10-2008, 05:17 PM
There's nothing in this world that compares with that.

I don't know, the time I bagged your mother compares nicely, but then your dumb ass came along and now she's just not the same.

peewee's lovechild
07-10-2008, 05:44 PM
Hahaha.

2Blonde
07-11-2008, 12:40 AM
Does having kids really make you happy?

Having a child made me vey happy, but raising a child is taking it to "A... Hole... Nother'... Level". I agree with my mom who had five girls and to this day still sayd "Girls should be drowned before they turn 13".
While I love my child with my whole being and would sacrifice anything to help her reach her goals, I can't say that raising her is what makes me happy. Although she does add an amazing level of excitement to my life.

JoeChalupa
07-11-2008, 08:47 AM
Those faces!! I love those faces!!

Manny has it right though. :tu

GEICO Caveman
07-11-2008, 08:49 AM
I don't know, the time I bagged your mother compares nicely, but then your dumb ass came along and now she's just not the same.

Who on this board isn't peewee's daddy?

BRHornet45
07-11-2008, 08:54 AM
sons I think the real question is does acquiring a 18 year, $300,000 bill sound fun? Thats the average cost of the grand total to raise a kid from birth to age 18.

Jimcs50
07-11-2008, 09:10 AM
Yes

SequSpur
07-11-2008, 09:21 AM
Yes, and then when they get 19 and want to leave, it makes you sad.

tp2021
07-11-2008, 10:28 AM
I didn't know Sequ had any feelings besides anger. How sweet.

Sequ of the corn
07-11-2008, 11:26 AM
I didn't know Sequ had any feelings besides anger. How sweet.

Short and sweet that is.

sabar
07-11-2008, 11:39 AM
Kids are the closest you will ever get to being immortal.

That was deep.

C'mon guys, you never know if you'll be the parent of the next Tim Duncan. You'd probably be happy then with your millions you'd get gifted every christmas.

xrayzebra
07-11-2008, 02:32 PM
Link here. (http://www.newsweek.com/id/143792/page/1)

True Or False: Having Kids Makes You Happy
By Lorraine Ali | NEWSWEEK
July 7-14, 2008 issue

When I was growing up, our former neighbors, whom we'll call the Sloans, were the only couple on the block without kids. It wasn't that they couldn't have children; according to Mr. Sloan, they just chose not to. All the other parents, including mine, thought it was odd—even tragic. So any bad luck that befell the Sloans—the egging of their house one Halloween; the landslide that sent their pool careering to the street below—was somehow attributed to that fateful decision they'd made so many years before. "Well," the other adults would say, "you know they never did have kids." Each time I visited the Sloans, I'd search for signs of insanity, misery or even regret in their superclean home, yet I never seemed to find any. From what I could tell, the Sloans were happy, maybe even happier than my parents, despite the fact that they were (whisper) childless.

My impressions may have been swayed by the fact that their candy dish was always full, but several studies now show that the Sloans could well have been more content than most of the traditional families around them. In Daniel Gilbert's 2006 book "Stumbling on Happiness," the Harvard professor of psychology looks at several studies and concludes that marital satisfaction decreases dramatically after the birth of the first child—and increases only when the last child has left home. He also ascertains that parents are happier grocery shopping and even sleeping than spending time with their kids. Other data cited by 2008's "Gross National Happiness" author, Arthur C. Brooks, finds that parents are about 7 percentage points less likely to report being happy than the childless.

The most recent comprehensive study on the emotional state of those with kids shows us that the term "bundle of joy" may not be the most accurate way to describe our offspring. "Parents experience lower levels of emotional well-being, less frequent positive emotions and more frequent negative emotions than their childless peers," says Florida State University's Robin Simon, a sociology professor who's conducted several recent parenting studies, the most thorough of which came out in 2005 and looked at data gathered from 13,000 Americans by the National Survey of Families and Households. "In fact, no group of parents—married, single, step or even empty nest—reported significantly greater emotional well-being than people who never had children. It's such a counterintuitive finding because we have these cultural beliefs that children are the key to happiness and a healthy life, and they're not."

Simon received plenty of hate mail in response to her research ("Obviously Professor Simon hates her kids," read one), which isn't surprising. Her findings shake the very foundation of what we've been raised to believe is true. In a recent NEWSWEEK Poll, 50 percent of Americans said that adding new children to the family tends to increase happiness levels. Only one in six (16 percent) said that adding new children had a negative effect on the parents' happiness. But which parent is willing to admit that the greatest gift life has to offer has in fact made his or her life less enjoyable?

Parents may openly lament their lack of sleep, hectic schedules and difficulty in dealing with their surly teens, but rarely will they cop to feeling depressed due to the everyday rigors of child rearing. "If you admit that kids and parenthood aren't making you happy, it's basically blasphemy," says Jen Singer, a stay-at-home mother of two from New Jersey who runs the popular parenting blog MommaSaid.net. "From baby-lotion commercials that make motherhood look happy and well rested, to commercials for Disney World where you're supposed to feel like a kid because you're there with your kids, we've made parenthood out to be one blissful moment after another, and it's disappointing when you find out it's not."


Is it possible that American parents have always been this disillusioned? Anecdotal evidence says no. In pre-industrial America, parents certainly loved their children, but their offspring also served a purpose—to work the farm, contribute to the household. Children were a necessity. Today, we have kids more for emotional reasons, but an increasingly complicated work and social environment has made finding satisfaction far more difficult. A key study by University of Wisconsin-Madison's Sara McLanahan and Julia Adams, conducted some 20 years ago, found that parenthood was perceived as significantly more stressful in the 1970s than in the 1950s; the researchers attribute part of that change to major shifts in employment patterns. The majority of American parents now work outside the home, have less support from extended family and face a deteriorating education and health-care system, so raising children has not only become more complicated—it has become more expensive. Today the U.S. Department of Agriculture estimates that it costs anywhere from $134,370 to $237,520 to raise a child from birth to the age of 17—and that's not counting school or college tuition. No wonder parents are feeling a little blue.

Societal ills aside, perhaps we also expect too much from the promise of parenting. The National Marriage Project's 2006 "State of Our Unions" report says that parents have significantly lower marital satisfaction than nonparents because they experienced more single and child-free years than previous generations. Twenty-five years ago, women married around the age of 20, and men at 23. Today both sexes are marrying four to five years later. This means the experience of raising kids is now competing with highs in a parent's past, like career wins ("I got a raise!") or a carefree social life ("God, this is a great martini!"). Shuttling cranky kids to school or dashing to work with spit-up on your favorite sweater doesn't skew as romantic.

For the childless, all this research must certainly feel redeeming. As for those of us with kids, well, the news isn't all bad. Parents still report feeling a greater sense of purpose and meaning in their lives than those who've never had kids. And there are other rewarding aspects of parenting that are impossible to quantify. For example, I never thought it possible to love someone as deeply as I love my son. As for the Sloans, it's hard to say whether they had a less meaningful existence than my parents, or if my parents were 7 percent less happy than the Sloans. Perhaps it just comes down to how you see the candy dish—half empty or half full. Or at least as a parent, that's what I'll keep telling myself.

Answer: False



Of course it does. They eventually grow up and leave. You cant believe the happiness it brings. Well all except NBADan. I think he still home,
sponging off the family.

01.20.09
07-11-2008, 03:10 PM
My stimulus check made me happy I have kids.

The Franchise
07-11-2008, 03:24 PM
Kids suck. The moment you get out of school, get a job, and have some serious disposable income, you're supposed to throw it all away to create and raise some little bastard. To hell with that.
:lmao:lmao:lmao Fuck the children.

baseline bum
07-11-2008, 03:35 PM
:lmao:lmao:lmao Fuck the children.

If I ever run for office, that'll be my campaign slogan.

Findog
07-11-2008, 03:44 PM
Having kids isn't about being "happy." That's really not the point.

dimsah
07-11-2008, 04:09 PM
No one is happy 100% of the time. It's the same with having children. You have bad times also. There are fights and worries and illness that all need to be dealt with but I think it's worth it.

I've had more intense moments of happiness since becoming a parent
and they happen much more often than before I was a parent.