Matt Barnes Or Deaven George?

[Duncan2177]

Both are free agents who would you rather have? and what are the chances we get one of them from the rest of our MLE?

[Sway]

Both are free agents who would you rather have? and what are the chances we get one of them from the rest of our MLE?

Matt Barnes is better and could be had pretty cheap right now. Supposedly, the Mavs are interested in Barnes.

[ace3g]

I doubt the mavs have room for Barnes after signing Wright and Singleton both SFs

[Duncan2177]

Hopefully the spurs are after Barnes.

[NewJerSpur]

Hopefully the spurs are after Barnes.

If history gives any indication, Matt and his people might have already been contacted by SA who usually move in stealth mode regarding players they have realistic shots at signing. I think the biggest hurdle will likely come from (big surprise) the Clips and Lakers...especially the Clips. MB is definitely ripe for the picking this offseason, that's for sure, so remain optimistic. :toast

[spurman20]

D George no doubt.......He can play 2-4 and can hit the three defend well good rebounder and is more suited for spurs slow down game than Barnes

[NewJerSpur]

The Spurs are trying to get more athletic and quicker and you think they should slow down more? And since when does George play the 2?

[spurman20]

The Spurs are trying to get more athletic and quicker and you think they should slow down more? And since when does George play the 2?

He played the 2 some last year.....and defended alot of 2s......Bowen has played the 2 a couple years ago....and this guy is a better ball player than bowen.....The spurs are tryn to get more athletic....which george is.....and the spurs will not play fast as long as pops is coach so speed is not the problem its D and being able to get to the rack and george can do that....plus whoever we sign is only gonna be around till 2010....spurs have made that clear. The guy could really help against D West from N.O. WHO KILLED US because no one we had could stay with him ......he can take turns defending Odom from LA.....PHX DIAW gives us fits he would take care of that.......Dirk......The spurs have missed a guy who was big enough to defend 4s that could play away from the basket.....we havent had that since Malik Rose and I believe it cost us in the Dallas series a few yrs back...and almost cost us this year with West.....did cost us with Odom......Teams know this is our weakness and have drafted players to hurt us in that way:flag:

[NewJerSpur]

He played the 2 some last year.....and defended alot of 2s......Bowen has played the 2 a couple years ago....and this guy is a better ball player than bowen.....The spurs are tryn to get more athletic....which george is.....and the spurs will not play fast as long as pops is coach so speed is not the problem its D and being able to get to the rack and george can do that....plus whoever we sign is only gonna be around till 2010....spurs have made that clear. The guy could really help against D West from N.O. WHO KILLED US because no one we had could stay with him ......he can take turns defending Odom from LA.....PHX DIAW gives us fits he would take care of that.......Dirk......The spurs have missed a guy who was big enough to defend 4s that could play away from the basket.....we havent had that since Malik Rose and I believe it cost us in the Dallas series a few yrs back...and almost cost us this year with West.....did cost us with Odom......Teams know this is our weakness and have drafted players to hurt us in that way:flag:

1) Just because you defend a two-guard doesn't mean you are playing that position yourself.

2) Barnes has better ball-handling skills than George and can create his OWN shot unlike George.

3) The Spurs played a versatile/more fast-paced style in 2005 on many occasions....I think Pop actually encouraged it unless the players just did whatever they felt like during that championship run.

4) George and Barnes are pretty comparable defensively, but neither would necessarily guard a guy like West in N.O.....that privilege is being left to Ian and possibly KT if he-resigns. Oh, and MB's defense helped tie up the league MVP back in the 2007 playoffs, who is bigger and stronger than he.

[Kori Ellis]

The Spurs liked Barnes a few years back. As most of you know, they brought him for workouts a couple times. I just don't know if they have lost interest since then. If it comes down to someone like Devean George, I'd just rather the Spurs keep someone young and raw instead.

[Spurtacus]

Barnes.

[spurman20]

1) Just because you defend a two-guard doesn't mean you are playing that position yourself.

2) Barnes has better ball-handling skills than George and can create his OWN shot unlike George.

3) The Spurs played a versatile/more fast-paced style in 2005 on many occasions....I think Pop actually encouraged it unless the players just did whatever they felt like during that championship run.

4) George and Barnes are pretty comparable defensively, but neither would necessarily guard a guy like West in N.O.....that privilege is being left to Ian and possibly KT if he-resigns. Oh, and MB's defense helped tie up the league MVP back in the 2007 playoffs, who is bigger and stronger than he.

Ok one....Matt Bares Played PF most of the time for Nellie....He is not a ball handler by any means.....is a very poor shooter.....look at his stats....and is a ghost defender......he also is about 220lbs.....and he would get killed by all the above players mentioned. George is a very good defender....and at 240lbs 6-8 can defend face up 4s......Bowen did a great job in 2007.....but he cannot defend post player...and has slowed down.....and if your remember from just this past years Playoffs.....Diaw killed bowen......he even struggled with Dirk.....and has no chance against D west .......If the spurs put Ian on D west....for long stretches of time he will foul out in 15 mins......he is a post defender......if he goes to cover guys 20ft from the rim he will get beat and they will be on the free throw line all night.....We drafted Gist with this in mind.......he and D George are similar players.....but DG can play now and is much stronger and can shoot the three

[loveforthegame]

No Devean George please. I'd rather keep Finley.

[IronMexican]

What do you guys see in George?

He did nothing for us.

[timvp]

and if your remember from just this past years Playoffs.....Diaw killed bowenBowen never guarded Diaw. George is better than Bowen? George shot 35% from the field this year and yet Barnes is the poor shooter? I think I found some people who agree with you. Check it out.
(http://www.spursreport.com/forums)

[spurman20]

No Devean George please. I'd rather keep Finley.

You may get your wish.....then when you see his old ass crank up 10 shots and leaving the game with 4 pts in 21 mins......you will be screaming for someone else......Fin is done.......no defense at all.......and if he cant give us 15ppg on 20mpg he is useless because he does nothing else..

[Kori Ellis]

You may get your wish.....then when you see his old ass crank up 10 shots and leaving the game with 4 pts in 21 mins......you will be screaming for someone else......Fin is done.......no defense at all.......and if he cant give us 15ppg on 20mpg he is useless because he does nothing else..

:lol

You realize that Devean George averaged 3.7 ppg this year in 16 minutes, right?

And if you think Matt Barnes is a bad shooter you might want to look at George's shooting percentages. He hasn't shot higher than 41% from the field in his entire career.

[spurman20]

Bowen never guarded Diaw. George is better than Bowen? George shot 35% from the field this year and yet Barnes is the poor shooter? I think I found some people who agree with you. Check it out.
(http://www.spursreport.com/forums)

:lol Good one man......he did get stuck on Diaw several times for shot stretches......and Phx ran picks to make bowen switch on to Diaw and we paid for it.....Bowen is a perimeter defender....and has slowed down a bit.....teams are going at him now and we cant get away with having a guy who is a non factor on Offs then can only guard pgs and Sgs....the west is to strong now.......he needs to be moved to the bench...for a bigger stronger player who can do most what he does on Offs and can defend.....What are we gonna do next year when Phx goes big and plays Shaq at C Lopez at PF and Amare at the Sf........We will get killed inside while bowen and parker and manu watch fro the three pt line

[loveforthegame]

You may get your wish.....then when you see his old ass crank up 10 shots and leaving the game with 4 pts in 21 mins......you will be screaming for someone else......Fin is done.......no defense at all.......and if he cant give us 15ppg on 20mpg he is useless because he does nothing else..

I didn't say I want Finley to return. I'd just rather have hime over George.

I've already talked about liking Barnes as an option in his free agent thread.

[NewJerSpur]

Ok one....Matt Bares Played PF most of the time for Nellie....He is not a ball handler by any means.....is a very poor shooter.....look at his stats....and is a ghost defender......he also is about 220lbs.....and he would get killed by all the above players mentioned. George is a very good defender....and at 240lbs 6-8 can defend face up 4s......Bowen did a great job in 2007.....but he cannot defend post player...and has slowed down.....and if your remember from just this past years Playoffs.....Diaw killed bowen......he even struggled with Dirk.....and has no chance against D west .......If the spurs put Ian on D west....for long stretches of time he will foul out in 15 mins......he is a post defender......if he goes to cover guys 20ft from the rim he will get beat and they will be on the free throw line all night.....We drafted Gist with this in mind.......he and D George are similar players.....but DG can play now and is much stronger and can shoot the three

Barnes has the ability to play the 3 or 4 and is much more fluid on the offensive side of the ball than George from a ball movement standpoint alone. Nellie actually encouraged Matt to put the ball on the floor more when he took over the regins in the Bay because he felt Barnes could exploit many of the more sizeable players that often wound up defending him....worked out pretty well before he wound up in Nellie's dog house, which led to his benching and didn't improve his shooting numbers. The guy has just as much range as George.

As far as defense goes, I'm not denying George is still a good defender, but Barnes is not to be slept on...and he's MUCH better than Finley. Finley might be alittle stronger but that got him nowhere against longer player such a Diaw in the playoffs who exploited his size and slowness. Barnes has length which can offset any deficiency in size.

Ian will likely alternate in his defensive assignments between guys like West and Chandler in N.O., esepcially with Pop not wanting to get Tim in foul trouble guarding David for long periods of time when TD and Ian are on the floor together. This was evdient in the playoffs.

[spurman20]

:lol

You realize that Devean George averaged 3.7 ppg this year in 16 minutes, right?

And if you think Matt Barnes is a bad shooter you might want to look at George's shooting percentages. He hasn't shot higher than 41% from the field in his entire career.

We dont need Him to score, just give use a 3pt threat who can defend.....Oh and for his ppg average.......How many ppg do you think he will average when he is playing with 4 of the biggest ball hogs in the leauge???? He was in to play D........He did a fine job on Chris Paul, and D West in the playoffs.....again, not a cornerstone just a pcs........Dallas got Brandon Bass to hurt the spurs....Phx go Diaw......N.O. West...LA...Odom....Portland...Outlaw.....Seattle. ...Greene.......Teams out west have been biulding themselves to beat us......and it is working...so we need to adjust. Go back and look at game stats and see how these face up 4s have killed us.

[Condemned 2 HelLA]

Deavan George??!?!
You're not really serious here, are you????
:wtf

[bigfan]

George is a turd. I think Barnes would be a much better fit.

[NewJerSpur]

.....What are we gonna do next year when Phx goes big and plays Shaq at C Lopez at PF and Amare at the Sf...

Although I don't see this scenario coming to fruition, I'll play devil's advocate: We would shoot them out of the gym.

[spurman20]

Barnes has the ability to play the 3 or 4 and is much more fluid on the offensive side of the ball than George from a ball movement standpoint alone. Nellie actually encouraged Matt to put the ball on the floor more when he took over the regins in the Bay because he felt Barnes could exploit many of the more sizeable players that often wound up defending him....worked out pretty well before he wound up in Nellie's dog house, which led to his benching and didn't improve his shooting numbers. The guy has just as much range as George.

As far as defense goes, I'm not denying George is still a good defender, but Barnes is not to be slept on...and he's MUCH better than Finley. Finley might be alittle stronger but that got him nowhere against longer player such a Diaw in the playoffs who exploited his size and slowness. Barnes has length which can offset any deficiency in size.

Ian will likely alternate in his defensive assignments between guys like West and Chandler in N.O., esepcially with Pop not wanting to get Tim in foul trouble guarding David for long periods of time when TD and Ian are on the floor together. This was evdient in the playoffs.

I see what your sayn but I just think we have that in Udaka and the newly signed Mason.......Now if Gist can be the face up 4 defender and give us quality mins then I would go with barnes but for now I fell we can get what he gives from other guys while we really need that spec defender.......To be honest with you I am also concered we will not be able to score enough next year......I looked at what I believe each guy will give us and all I see is 95-96ppg about what we did this year....so if we dont go back to the old days of D first we will not make it out of the west next year.....unless Duncan can give us 25 ppg for the year and I dont see that

[Kori Ellis]

As far as defense goes, I'm not denying George is still a good defender, but Barnes is not to be slept on....

When the Spurs were after Barnes a few years back it was because they like his D. He's a very scrappy defender and would probably do well here.

[spurman20]

Although I don't see this scenario coming to fruition, I'll play devil's advocate: We would shoot them out of the gym.

Shoot them with what? Our shooters are gone.....and if you trade 3s for thier twos they will win by Stats......and they will go big to hurt Duncan and clog the lane for tony.......This of coarse will not be a normal line up but we will see it next year come playoff time.

[spurman20]

When the Spurs were after Barnes a few years back it was because they like his D. He's a very scrappy defender and would probably do well here.

We had a similar player to him 2yrs ago...JAMES WHITE.....Barnes not a fit......and like I said, Im not talking starter here....just someone who can defend players that cause matchup problems......a 9-10th man....for a year or two

[NewJerSpur]

I see what your sayn but I just think we have that in Udaka and the newly signed Mason.......Now if Gist can be the face up 4 defender and give us quality mins then I would go with barnes but for now I fell we can get what he gives from other guys while we really need that spec defender.......To be honest with you I am also concered we will not be able to score enough next year......I looked at what I believe each guy will give us and all I see is 95-96ppg about what we did this year....so if we dont go back to the old days of D first we will not make it out of the west next year.....unless Duncan can give us 25 ppg for the year and I dont see that

Niether Udoka nor Mason can play the 4 in any instance...Barnes can. And George won't give the team the offense you see them possibly lacking, he isn't all that good at moving the ball because he is a spot up shooter/put-back player who occasionally gets some easy drive to the basket when he keeps his feet moving.

If guys like Hill and Mason, and possibly a SF like Barnes, can provide relief while 2 of the big 3 rest so the burden doesn't fall on Manu I think the team is in very good shape.

[Kori Ellis]

We had a similar player to him 2yrs ago...JAMES WHITE.....Barnes not a fit......and like I said, Im not talking starter here....just someone who can defend players that cause matchup problems......a 9-10th man....for a year or two

:lmao @ thinking James White and Matt Barnes are similar.

Okay, I'm not going to argue with you because it's too hard to read your posts with all the misspellings, misinformation and lack of punctuation.

I'm just telling you that the Spurs liked him enough to bring him here for workouts every time he was free agent and wanted him for his D. I'm not saying he can guard the 4 spot. I'm just saying that if you are signing a 4th/5th swingman, Barnes is better than George.

[NewJerSpur]

Shoot them with what? Our shooters are gone.....and if you trade 3s for thier twos they will win by Stats......and they will go big to hurt Duncan and clog the lane for tony.......This of coarse will not be a normal line up but we will see it next year come playoff time.

You still have Manu, Bown (who seems to be developing a mid-range games in this late stage of his career), and Tony and the team added Mason and Hill who both have good range; I can also see Udoka getting more comfortable in the system in his second full season under Pop and in-turn developing more consistency in his jumper, especially from behind the arc.

Again, I don't see a scenario where the Suns go monstrously BIG because it makes the team slow and limited to what they can do offensively. Forget clogging the lane for Duncan, they'll clog the lane for each other and get into foul trouble in the process.

[spurman20]

Niether Udoka nor Mason can play the 4 in any instance...Barnes can. And George won't give the team the offense you see them possibly lacking, he isn't all that good at moving the ball because he is a spot up shooter/put-back player who occasionally gets some easy drive to the basket when he keeps his feet moving.

If guys like Hill and Mason, and possibly a SF like Barnes, can provide relief while 2 of the big 3 rest so the burden doesn't fall on Manu I think the team is in very good shape.

I will take a 6-8 240lb george at the 4 than a 6-6 maybe...220lb barnes any day......George played 4 for several year in La and this year with Dallas.....He is not a post player......and yes I dont think he is a scorer......only in the demented world of DON NELSON is Barnes a PF just like he tried to make Dirk a SG at first when he was drafted....Just like he made Jefferson a C......And 2yrs ago Steve Jackson a PF.........And Barnes only avg 6ppg......so I dont see the diff. Plus when the spurs go small that all they need is for Dev to stand and pass into duncan and be ready to shoot the corner 3 just like bowen. All of this is moot because we wont get either one.......If we are wise...we will look to trade for Krystic who the spurs like yrs ago and wanted to draft....he would give us D and scoring and is a good passer and has a Hight Iq ohhh and he is a true 7 ftr

[spurman20]

You still have Manu, Bown (who seems to be developing a mid-range games in this late stage of his career), and Tony and the team added Mason and Hill who both have good range; I can also see Udoka getting more comfortable in the system in his second full season under Pop and in-turn developing more consistency in his jumper, especially from behind the arc.

Again, I don't see a scenario where the Suns go monstrously BIG because it makes the team slow and limited to what they can do offensively. Forget clogging the lane for Duncan, they'll clog the lane for each other and get into foul trouble in the process.

They drafted Lopez to play against the spurs...to chase Tim and keep shaq rested and out of foul trouble......and remember both Amare and Lopez can play on the wings......they will outrebound us like LA DID.......Whach next year when La has Bynum, Gasol and Odom starting and on the floor bunches together......they will kill us on the glass......and rumor has it when Kobe rests Odom will move to SG and Radmonavic will play the 3......that means they will have 4 guys bigger than 6-10 all about 240lbs on the floor at the same time........how will we match up? Portland will have Odom at C....Aldridge at pf...Outlaw at sf...How will we match up? We have all post players or all perimeter players no one who can do both........Im tellyou if we dont get bigger at the 3-4 we are gonna struggle next season

[spurman20]

We bring in lots of guys for work outs means little......Sometimes it to put out misimformation........The more I read what you say the more it sounds like you have never seen matt barnes play........Not all player are good in all systems...

[NewJerSpur]

I will take a 6-8 240lb george at the 4 than a 6-6 maybe...220lb barnes any day......George played 4 for several year in La and this year with Dallas.....He is not a post player......and yes I dont think he is a scorer......only in the demented world of DON NELSON is Barnes a PF just like he tried to make Dirk a SG at first when he was drafted....Just like he made Jefferson a C......And 2yrs ago Steve Jackson a PF.........And Barnes only avg 6ppg......so I dont see the diff. Plus when the spurs go small that all they need is for Dev to stand and pass into duncan and be ready to shoot the corner 3 just like bowen. All of this is moot because we wont get either one.......If we are wise...we will look to trade for Krystic who the spurs like yrs ago and wanted to draft....he would give us D and scoring and is a good passer and has a Hight Iq ohhh and he is a true 7 ftr

His point total dipped a bit from last year, but I'll take Barnes and the fluidity he can bring to an offense that just lost one of it's biggest ball-movers and who can play the 3 or 4 in small ball which Pop HIMSELF likes to run as well....a demented man with a few rings to boot. Matt's atheleticism can only complement the direction the Spurs are trying to head in, and again, he can actually create his on shot unlike DG.

If the Spurs go small, why would George be passing into Duncan if he's playing PF? Shouldn't he be somewhere around the block as well?

[NewJerSpur]

They drafted Lopez to play against the spurs...to chase Tim and keep shaq rested and out of foul trouble......and remember both Amare and Lopez can play on the wings......

So which one is it? Will Amare and Lopez seemingly BOTH play the wings and give Shaq the paint, or will they give Shaq a rest to keep him out of foul trouble....they can't have it both ways right?

[Kori Ellis]

We bring in lots of guys for work outs means little......Sometimes it to put out misimformation........The more I read what you say the more it sounds like you have never seen matt barnes play........Not all player are good in all systems...

Umm.. okay. The Spurs brought him in and he turned down their offer. That means they wanted him - they didn't bring him in for "misimformation." I thought as a Spurs fan you would know that. And I've only seen all Matt Barnes' college games and about 1/3 of his NBA games, but you are right. My bad.

[Kindergarten Cop]

We bring in lots of guys for work outs means little......Sometimes it to put out misimformation........The more I read what you say the more it sounds like you have never seen matt barnes play........Not all player are good in all systems...

Have any of your clients been brought in for work-outs just so the teams can put out misinformation?

BTW, what benefit could "misinformation" be when working out FAs? I could see teams doing that with rookies before the draft to throw other teams off, but I'm not sure I see the sense in it when courting FAs.

[Kori Ellis]

Have any of your clients been brought in for work-outs just so the teams can put out misinformation?

:lmao

Does anyone think this guy is actually an agent? He doesn't know anything about the CBA, contracts or free agency. He thinks AI started at PG and JR Smith starting at SG for the Nuggets last year. He thinks you can just keep renouncing players to gain cap room and exceptions. And he types like he's 12.

[Kindergarten Cop]

:lmao

Does anyone think this guy is actually an agent? He doesn't know anything about the CBA, contracts or free agency. He thinks AI started at PG and JR Smith starting at SG for the Nuggets last year. He thinks you can just keep renouncing players to gain cap room and exceptions. And he types like he's 12.

But he lives in a 75,000 sq. ft. mansion. How could he do that if he wasn't an agent?

[duncan228]

Does anyone think this guy is actually an agent?

I'm waiting for his title to change to "agent". Then I'll believe he really is one. :lmao

[The Truth #6]

There's no way Barnes could ever play the 4 position, except occasionally in Nellie's system when 2-4 are interchangeable, and even then I have my doubts.

Also, George is a loser. Barnes has brief flashes of intensity where he is quite productive. George, on the other hand, seems like he's just trying to collect a paycheck at this point. I'd much rather roll the dice on Barnes (assuming he would even consider coming to play here, which is a longshot) then a known quantity like Devean George. He played for LA and Dallas - that is enough for me to not want him anywhere near our team.

[ChumpDumper]

and remember both Amare and Lopez can play on the wingsMan, the hits just keep coming.

[ceperez]

They drafted Lopez to play against the spurs...to chase Tim and keep shaq rested and out of foul trouble......and remember both Amare and Lopez can play on the wings......they will outrebound us like LA DID.......Whach next year when La has Bynum, Gasol and Odom starting and on the floor bunches together......they will kill us on the glass......and rumor has it when Kobe rests Odom will move to SG and Radmonavic will play the 3......that means they will have 4 guys bigger than 6-10 all about 240lbs on the floor at the same time........how will we match up? Portland will have Odom at C....Aldridge at pf...Outlaw at sf...How will we match up? We have all post players or all perimeter players no one who can do both........Im tellyou if we dont get bigger at the 3-4 we are gonna struggle next season

Yup, that's our gaping hole!

We were blown out several times by the Jazz and they threw guys like Harpring to bang up our little defenders.

The Lakers and the Hornets just lobed up assists that would be picked up by their centers for an easy dunk.

The Suns would post up Diaw and he would kill us consistently.

We don't have anyone but Gist!?

[Biggems]

Of course Barnes is a bad shooter....he played in Nellie's run and chuck system....where every shot is a good shot, no matter the ridiculous nature of the shot. With Chip and Pop having a more structured system, I believe Barnes will be a lot more efficient shooting the ball. He will get more set shots that is for sure, thanks to Duncan, Manu, and Parker.

[ceds]

:What are we gonna do next year when Phx goes big and plays Shaq at C Lopez at PF and Amare at the Sf........We will get killed inside while bowen and parker and manu watch fro the three pt line

:lol

[VaSpursFan]

i feel all kinds of dumb after reading some of the "agent's" observations in this thread. not only does he not watch basketball, it's apparent he has no idea about b-ball strategy. amare would be horrendous at the SF spot.

[JP le Requin]

i want barnes!!! too

[tav1]

The Spurs liked Barnes a few years back. As most of you know, they brought him for workouts a couple times. I just don't know if they have lost interest since then. If it comes down to someone like Devean George, I'd just rather the Spurs keep someone young and raw instead.

I'm repeating myself, but young and (somewhat) raw is the aim for bench positions 13, 14, and 15. I'm assuming Hairston, which may prove foolish, so really we're talking about guys 14 and 15.

In my estimation, the Spurs best approach is to wait until after summer league, perhaps until even later in the summer, until there is a free agent or two sitting without a contract and other team roster's are more or less in place. At that point the Spurs might be able to get someone cheap, like they did with Udoka, or have a better idea what players are gettable via trade exception or trade. Barnes could be one of these guys, and if he's without a contract the Spurs would have leverage for a cheap one or two year offer. Increasingly, Azubuike looks like a candidate for this sort of thing. Depending on what Gallinari does in summer league, Chandler and/or Balkman could be half way out the door in NY. Blah, blah, blah...

The point is that the Spurs are best served to wait a few weeks before signing anyone not named Kurt Thomas--which is certainly the next shoe to drop.

[Sissiborgo]

Matt Barnes but i dont like them both

[manufor3]

Ok one....Matt Bares Played PF most of the time for Nellie....He is not a ball handler by any means.....is a very poor shooter.....look at his stats....and is a ghost defender......he also is about 220lbs.....and he would get killed by all the above players mentioned. George is a very good defender....and at 240lbs 6-8 can defend face up 4s......Bowen did a great job in 2007.....but he cannot defend post player...and has slowed down.....and if your remember from just this past years Playoffs.....Diaw killed bowen......he even struggled with Dirk.....and has no chance against D west .......If the spurs put Ian on D west....for long stretches of time he will foul out in 15 mins......he is a post defender......if he goes to cover guys 20ft from the rim he will get beat and they will be on the free throw line all night.....We drafted Gist with this in mind.......he and D George are similar players.....but DG can play now and is much stronger and can shoot the three

Well, he's a better ball-handler than George. Also Barnes is a great shooter. Please work on your english, your posts are hard to read.

[Que Gee]

The Spurs liked Barnes a few years back. As most of you know, they brought him for workouts a couple times. I just don't know if they have lost interest since then. If it comes down to someone like Devean George, I'd just rather the Spurs keep someone young and raw instead.

Barnes is terrible. Hope for George if they have a choice.

[SAGambler]

I've always thought Barnes would fit into the Spurs very well.

[spurman20]

i feel all kinds of dumb after reading some of the "agent's" observations in this thread. not only does he not watch basketball, it's apparent he has no idea about b-ball strategy. amare would be horrendous at the SF spot.

You are a fool! Amare can play 3-4 he can shoot it to 20ft puts the ball on the floor to attack the rim....and can post smaller defenders.....A guy who scores anywhere inside 20ft at a rate of 1 pt for every 1.5 mins played is awsome.....Most teams who have Amare at small forward the same way Miami will use Beasley........he just happened to play for a coach who likes very small ball.:bang

[spurman20]

Well, he's a better ball-handler than George. Also Barnes is a great shooter. Please work on your english, your posts are hard to read.

Short hand saves time not spell errors......work on your reading

[Kori Ellis]

Short hand saves time not spell errors......work on your reading


Krystic


Krstic

Doesn't look like shorthand to me.

[ChumpDumper]

Time is money.

Agent money.

[tp2021]

spurman20, quit with the fucking ellipses. If you have a seperate thought, use ONE period, and start a new sentence. otherwise, just use a comma.

[spurman20]

spurman20, quit with the fucking ellipses. If you have a seperate thought, use ONE period, and start a new sentence. otherwise, just use a comma.

Are you here to talk about the Spurs or work on you proof reading skills? Keep the topic at hand going!

[ChumpDumper]

I would be pissed if my agent spent all his time defending his punctuation on an internet forum....

[spurman20]

I would be pissed if my agent spent all his time defending his punctuation on an internet forum....

I didnt know gay porn stars had agents!:rollin

[ChumpDumper]

Who said anything about gay porn?

Oh yeah -- you.

Telling[this phrase is shorthand for ellipses]

[anakha]

So according to the Agent Handbook, Amare plays small forward?

[CaptainLate]

Niether Udoka nor Mason can play the 4 in any instance...Barnes can. And George won't give the team the offense you see them possibly lacking, he isn't all that good at moving the ball because he is a spot up shooter/put-back player who occasionally gets some easy drive to the basket when he keeps his feet moving.

If guys like Hill and Mason, and possibly a SF like Barnes, can provide relief while 2 of the big 3 rest so the burden doesn't fall on Manu I think the team is in very good shape.

I think Barnes is a better fit for the motion offense which we'll need at times. Sounds like he's better at the D than Barry.

[CaptainLate]

Of course Barnes is a bad shooter....he played in Nellie's run and chuck system....With Chip and Pop having a more structured system, I believe Barnes will be a lot more efficient shooting the ball. He will get more set shots that is for sure, thanks to Duncan, Manu, and Parker.

As will Mason, who jumped to nearly 40% last year. Udoka should do better with a yr under his belt as well. We're getting younger, yes. But other than Mahinmi and the rookies, the youth has several years of NBA experience. If we're healthy into and thru the playoffs, I expect that 5th :lobt:

[CaptainLate]

Well, he's a better ball-handler than George. Also Barnes is a great shooter. Please work on your english, your posts are hard to read.

Maybe if people stop commenting on his posts he'll get the msg.

[VaSpursFan]

You are a fool! Amare can play 3-4 he can shoot it to 20ft puts the ball on the floor to attack the rim....and can post smaller defenders.....A guy who scores anywhere inside 20ft at a rate of 1 pt for every 1.5 mins played is awsome.....Most teams who have Amare at small forward the same way Miami will use Beasley........he just happened to play for a coach who likes very small ball.:bang

well, you told me. i bow before your basketball prowess. silly me thinking that amare would not be successful as a small forward. i mean, he should be top of mind when i think small forward instead of guys like p. pierce, melo, lebron, etc.





:downspin::downspin::downspin:

[Sway]

I will take a 6-8 240lb george at the 4 than a 6-6 maybe...220lb barnes any day......George played 4 for several year in La and this year with Dallas.....He is not a post player......and yes I dont think he is a scorer......only in the demented world of DON NELSON is Barnes a PF just like he tried to make Dirk a SG at first when he was drafted....Just like he made Jefferson a C......And 2yrs ago Steve Jackson a PF.........And Barnes only avg 6ppg......so I dont see the diff.

Seriously, have you ever watched Matt Barnes play? If you had you would know half the stuff you are spouting off is wrong. Barnes is a flat out better player than George and that’s not saying much. George is an over the hill player who didn’t have much game to start with. Here are some facts for you:

07-08 FG%: Barnes 42.3% > George 35.7%

Athleticism: Barnes >>>>> George. Barnes has a 40.5” vertical and could have played 2 professional sports.

Versatility: Barnes >>> George. Barnes has played 1-4. Yeah I know its Nellie’s system, but that is still impressive.

Defense: Barnes > George. What I like about Barnes defense is that he will straight up lay a mofo out and won’t apologize about it.

Toughness: Barnes >>>>> George. Barnes was a football prospect and has tattoos. :lol George is a stereotypical NBA player that cries anytime someone comes within a foot of his “personal” space.

Size: Barnes 6’7” 226lb = George 6’8” 235lb. Barnes is supposedly up to 235 now so not much of a difference.

I could go on and on, but if you don’t get it by now, you aren’t going to get it.

[genomefreak13]

Barnes. He's almost as good as Jaxs. Good fit for our 3 position.

[VaSpursFan]

Seriously, have you ever watched Matt Barnes play? If you had you would know half the stuff you are spouting off is wrong. Barnes is a flat out better player than George and that’s not saying much. George is an over the hill player who didn’t have much game to start with. Here are some facts for you:

07-08 FG%: Barnes 42.3% > George 35.7%

Athleticism: Barnes >>>>> George. Barnes has a 40.5” vertical and could have played 2 professional sports.

Versatility: Barnes >>> George. Barnes has played 1-4. Yeah I know its Nellie’s system, but that is still impressive.

Defense: Barnes > George. What I like about Barnes defense is that he will straight up lay a mofo out and won’t apologize about it.

Toughness: Barnes >>>>> George. Barnes was a football prospect and has tattoos. :lol George is a stereotypical NBA player that cries anytime someone comes within a foot of his “personal” space.

Size: Barnes 6’7” 226lb = George 6’8” 235lb. Barnes is supposedly up to 235 now so not much of a difference.

I could go on and on, but if you don’t get it by now, you aren’t going to get it.

:tu

[spurman20]

Fools.........Why do you think Pops isnt after Barnes.....nor is anyone else. I have stood beside matt barnes while at UCLA he may be 6-6 in shoes......whoever told you he can play pg is full of shit.......look at DG AND BARNES on the floor and tell me George is not at least 20lbs bigger. All this FG% crap you speak of is just that crap. 42% for someone on a fast break team is terrible. And if you think he can defend anyone in the NBA you have been playn to much NBA live.

[Obstructed_View]

Who the fuck is Pops?

[spurman20]

All that said, he is still better the Fin so sign him if it comes down to the two of them.

[wisnub]

Matt Barness...he's a thug and play hard as hell. We can brawl against violent team like Boston with him around

[mrspurs]

neither

[Marcus Bryant]

Matt Barness...he's a thug and play hard as hell. We can brawl against violent team like Boston with him around

Ah, those violent teams.

[anakha]

All this FG% crap you speak of is just that crap. 42% for someone on a fast break team is terrible.

Conveniently sidestepping the presented evidence about George's FG% numbers. :lol

[ceperez]

i'll take none of the above choices.

[spurman20]

Conveniently sidestepping the presented evidence about George's FG% numbers. :lol

No not at all, my point is I wouldnt pick him as a scorer it would be as a special defender against certain teams larger face up players...Think he would be the better for that purpose....as a pure scorer Barnes is better no question. But hopefully we wont sign either

[Biggems]

I would definitely like to get Barnes.....It would be nice if GS signed him to a 2 yr / $6 million deal and then traded him to SA for Bonner + a 2009 2nd.

[Bruno]

George just plain sucks, Barnes isn't great but he is way better than him.

Spurs need a big SF who can also play some small ball PF. Gist could be that guy but as a rookie, who has been picked 57th, odds are slim that he could help a contender right away.
Barnes would be fine to fill that need and if Spurs can get him for $4M/2 years, they should sign him without a doubt.

[Obstructed_View]

George was shit last year. He started to look better after the Kidd trade, but I think that was just in contrast to the nosediving Mavs.

[Biggems]

I believe George may have just signed with Cleveland.

[Spurtacus]

I can't stand Devean George. Another pass.

[Biggems]

George just plain sucks, Barnes isn't great but he is way better than him.

Spurs need a big SF who can also play some small ball PF. Gist could be that guy but as a rookie, who has been picked 57th, odds are slim that he could help a contender right away.
Barnes would be fine to fill that need and if Spurs can get him for $4M/2 years, they should sign him without a doubt.


I agree with you on the Barnes front. I would even be willing to do a 2 yr/6 mill if it meant we acquired Barnes while removing Bonner from our books.