Countdown to Armageddon

[Nbadan]

Neo Cons in Israel are itching to bomb Iran in a futile effort to destroy, or delay a nucluar program that the I.A.E.A., the WMD arm of the U.N., has found no basis to support that Iran is building nucluar weapons...the latest assessment by our own intelligence just a year ago was that Iran was still 10 years away from having the technological capability to make a single nucluar weapon....of course, these facts won't stop the war-happy Neo Cons in Israel or the U.S. from playing the mushroom-cloud spin (again)..


President George W Bush has told the Israeli government that he may be prepared to approve a future military strike on Iranian nuclear facilities if negotiations with Tehran break down, according to a senior Pentagon official.

Despite the opposition of his own generals and widespread scepticism that America is ready to risk the military, political and economic consequences of an airborne strike on Iran, the president has given an “amber light” to an Israeli plan to attack Iran’s main nuclear sites with long-range bombing sorties, the official told The Sunday Times.

“Amber means get on with your preparations, stand by for immediate attack and tell us when you’re ready,” the official said. But the Israelis have also been told that they can expect no help from American forces and will not be able to use US military bases in Iraq for logistical support.

Nor is it certain that Bush’s amber light would ever turn to green without irrefutable evidence of lethal Iranian hostility. Tehran’s test launches of medium-range ballistic missiles last week were seen in Washington as provocative and poorly judged, but both the Pentagon and the CIA concluded that they did not represent an immediate threat of attack against Israeli or US targets.

Times Online (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article4322508.ece)

It's incredible that here we are 6 years after knowing what we know now about how the current administration lied us into a unnecessary war in the Middle East... our inept M$M is letting them get away with it again...

...where is the investigative reporting by our media? How will the American people react when war with Iran brings $7-8-9 gas? What will this do to Israel-American relations in the future? How many American jobs will this war costs? Is that what it will finally take for Americans to turn off TV and pay attention? Is there hope?

[ChumpDumper]

Well, if they don't have nukes it could hardly be called Armageddon -- so we got that going for us.

[Nbadan]

Well, if they don't have nukes it could hardly be called Armageddon -- so we got that going for us.

Won't stop our own loonies from dropping nucluar weapons and saying, 'see we told ya they were hiding this stuff'...

[ChumpDumper]

So it's just Armageddon for Iran.

Nice leap of logic there. Israeli airstrike = US looney nuke.

[DarrinS]

You're right Nbadan. You should pack up and move to Darfur. I hear the real estate there is quite affordable.

[mommaDONEraisedaTHUG]

time 4a change

[Clandestino]

so, we should wait 10 yrs to attack them? you, yourself, say they are 10 years from building a bomb.

[ChumpDumper]

They may be ten years away, but are they actually working on it?

[jochhejaam]

If someone in my neighborhood is constantly threatening the annihilation of my Family, and claims he has the means to do so, should I sit around twiddling my thumbs if I'm capable of taking pre-emptive action to stop that annihilation?


p.s. For the logic-challenged that are struggling to come up with a correct response, the answer is NO!

[ChumpDumper]

Israel is not our family.

[xrayzebra]

Israel is not our family.

Neither are you, thank God.:lol

[ChumpDumper]

I would like to see the quote where he explicitly threatens to strike at the US.

Surely you have it bookmarked.

[xrayzebra]

I would like to see the quote where he explicitly threatens to strike at the US.

Surely you have it bookmarked.

You have google, do the work yourself.

Children, they want you to do all the heavy lifting.:lol

[ChumpDumper]

You have google, do the work yourself.

Children, they want you to do all the heavy lifting.:lolI looked.

Didn't find anything, so people who make that claim are lying.

Happens a lot here.

[xrayzebra]

I looked.

Didn't find anything, so people who make that claim are lying.

Happens a lot here.

This took just about two mins.

http://www.dawn.com/2008/07/13/top9.htm

Headline:

Iran threatens to hit 32 US bases, Israel

[Twisted_Dawg]

The Israelis must get this reactor bombed before the next President takes office. Presient Obama will not take kindly to Israel bombing that reactor, Iran shutting down the Persian Gulf and the current very fragile world economy being spun further downward and out of control.

[ChumpDumper]

"Iran would destroy Israel and 32 US military bases in the Middle East if the Islamic Republic was attacked over its disputed nuclear programme.."

And I hate to break it to you but Mojtaba Zolnour is not the leader of Iran.

And US bases in the middle east are not the US.

Thanks for playing though, too bad you couldn't find anything.

[Agent Smith]

This took just about two mins.

http://www.dawn.com/2008/07/13/top9.htm

Headline:

Iran threatens to hit 32 US bases, Israel

Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?

[boutons_]

Iran is fully aware, as was Russia, of Mutually Assured Destruction, MAD. Iran would be obliterated by Israel and US if it attacked Israel or US M/E bases.

The "nuclear Iran" smokescreen, similar to Saddam's WMD, hides the real US objective, which is Iran's oil and gas.

[ElNono]

If someone in my neighborhood is constantly threatening the annihilation of my Family, and claims he has the means to do so, should I sit around twiddling my thumbs if I'm capable of taking pre-emptive action to stop that annihilation?

p.s. For the logic-challenged that are struggling to come up with a correct response, the answer is NO!

I'm curious to know, in this example, what would you actually do:
1) Break the law, take a gun and murder them. (War)
2) Go to a court and obtain a restraining order. (Diplomacy, with sanctions)
3) Call him up and try to work out the differences. (Direct diplomacy)
4) Other, please explain?

[jochhejaam]

I'm curious to know, in this example, what would you actually do:
1) Break the law, take a gun and murder them. (War)
2) Go to a court and obtain a restraining order. (Diplomacy, with sanctions)
3) Call him up and try to work out the differences. (Direct diplomacy)
4) Other, please explain?

First to clarify; in my original post I was speaking of Israel and Iran, not the U.S. and Iran (for CD).


And personally? I can't fathom how it would feel to have someone threaten my existence, especially if my intentions were to live and let live, therefore, realistically I don't know how I would handle it. It's incomprehensible to the extent that I can't answer it, yet that's the very position that Israel find's herself in.



How would you handle it if your Family were threatened in such a manner? How strong and deep are your instincts to protect your family from obliteration?
Assume that diplomacy of any kind is out of the question; that no outside intervention is available to help and assume that, other than a pre-emptive strike, you have no recourse other than to sit back and wait to see if they make good on their threat.
How do you deal with that?

[Nbadan]

So it's just Armageddon for Iran.

Nice leap of logic there. Israeli airstrike = US looney nuke.

Yeah, I'm sure that the radioactive cloud will recognize borders...

:rolleyes

[Nbadan]

You're right Nbadan. You should pack up and move to Darfur. I hear the real estate there is quite affordable.

Nah, that's one of the (growing) few places on earth members of our current administration can still move to without fear of arrest....

[Nbadan]

First to clarify; in my original post I was speaking of Israel and Iran, not the U.S. and Iran (for CD).


And personally? I can't fathom how it would feel to have someone threaten my existence, especially if my intentions were to live and let live, therefore, realistically I don't know how I would handle it. It's incomprehensible to the extent that I can't answer it, yet that's the very position that Israel find's herself in.



How would you handle it if your Family were threatened in such a manner? How strong and deep are your instincts to protect your family from obliteration?
Assume that diplomacy of any kind is out of the question; that no outside intervention is available to help and assume that, other than a pre-emptive strike, you have no recourse other than to sit back and wait to see if they make good on their threat.
How do you deal with that?

Israel has 300 nucluar weapons, Iran has 0....they don't even have the capacity to make enough plutonium for one nucluar weapon....so tell me how Iran is gonna destroy Israel again?

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, I'm sure that the radioactive cloud will recognize borders...

:rolleyesNo, you misunderstand. There will be no radioactive cloud because their will be no US nuking of Iran. I was ridiculing your looney nuke.

[Nbadan]

No, you misunderstand. There will be no radioactive cloud because their will be no US nuking of Iran. I was ridiculing your looney nuke.

...and I was ridiculing you because you don't seem to understand what $7-8-9 gas will do to the U.S. economy,,,

[jochhejaam]

Israel has 300 nucluar weapons, Iran has 0....they don't even have the capacity to make enough plutonium for one nucluar weapon....so tell me how Iran is gonna destroy Israel again?

Check with Armuhwipedemoutdinejad, he's the one threatening to annihilate Israel. With those threats, why wait until they have them?



And for the record, although it's never been verified that they have them, the latest reports have Israel with between 75 and 200 nukes (more than enough).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

Considering Iran's threat, would you prefer that Israel wipe out their Uranium enrichment capability, or wait until they develop and launch them killing hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of innocent Iranians and Israeli's?


Regardless of how you slice it, this drama is on the Country (Iran) that's threatening the existence of another Country.

[ChumpDumper]

Considering Iran's threatWhat threat?

[Nbadan]

And for the record, although it's never been verified that they have them, the latest reports have Israel with between 75 and 200 nukes (more than enough).

So what your saying is that Israel is in violation of U.N. charters concerning clandestine WMD programs?

[ChumpDumper]

No, he's saying Israel is the 51st state.

[Nbadan]

No, he's saying Israel is the 51st state.

My bad....I thought that was Iraq....

[jochhejaam]

So what your saying is that Israel is in violation of U.N. charters concerning clandestine WMD programs?

No, not unless there's proof.

Would you like the proof that Iran <--your preferred 51st State> would like to see Israel wiped out?


“I must announce that the Zionist regime (Israel), with a 60-year record of genocide, plunder, invasion and betrayal is about to die and will soon be erased from the geographical scene,” he said.

“Today, the time for the fall of the satanic power of the United States has come and the countdown to the annihilation of the emperor of power and wealth has started.”
http://www.electiongeek.com/blog/2008/06/02/iran-scuffle-continues-as-ahmadinejad-threatens-israel/

[ElNono]

First to clarify; in my original post I was speaking of Israel and Iran, not the U.S. and Iran (for CD).

And personally? I can't fathom how it would feel to have someone threaten my existence, especially if my intentions were to live and let live, therefore, realistically I don't know how I would handle it. It's incomprehensible to the extent that I can't answer it, yet that's the very position that Israel find's herself in.

How would you handle it if your Family were threatened in such a manner? How strong and deep are your instincts to protect your family from obliteration?
Assume that diplomacy of any kind is out of the question; that no outside intervention is available to help and assume that, other than a pre-emptive strike, you have no recourse other than to sit back and wait to see if they make good on their threat.
How do you deal with that?

Well, the context is really different. If it was somebody threatening my family in the context of a civilized society, then you can sue them or get a restraining order, etc.
In the middle east, however, the context is different, obviously, because we're dealing with irrational people. I still think diplomacy is an avenue worth pursuing. But failing that, I guess then you need to get to avenues such as deterrent (who has the biggest gun), or economic sanctions, etc.
It's a tough dilemma, and that's why I thank you for taking the time to ponder for an answer, even if the answer is 'I don't really know'.

[Malik Rows]

Considering Iran's threat, would you prefer that Israel wipe out their Uranium enrichment capability, or wait until they develop and launch them killing hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of innocent Iranians and Israeli's?


I would prefer not to see Israel strike Iran.

[boutons_]

"Considering Iran's threat"

what threat is that? another bogus, WH-hyped threat like Saddam's WMD?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Won't stop our own loonies from dropping nucluar weapons and saying, 'see we told ya they were hiding this stuff'...

:lmao

So the U.S. is going to frame Iran with mythical Iranian nuclear material?

All nuclear weapons have a trace element in them that identifies the country of origin.

Thanks for the laugh.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

...and I was ridiculing you because you don't seem to understand what $7-8-9 gas will do to the U.S. economy,,,

Cause us to nuke Iran and make gas like $35 a gallon?

[Nbadan]

:lmao

So the U.S. is going to frame Iran with mythical Iranian nuclear material?

All nuclear weapons have a trace element in them that identifies the country of origin.

Thanks for the laugh.

Then why isn't the M$M telling us where Iraq/Saddam got his WMD (chemical/biological spores) to attack the Iranians during the Iran/Iraq war?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Then why isn't the M$M telling us where Iraq/Saddam got his WMD (chemical/biological spores) to attack the Iranians during the Iran/Iraq war?

Probably because they're all too busy sucking Obama's dick.

[Wild Cobra]

Israel is not our family.
They are closer to my family any lemming libtards.

[Wild Cobra]

I'm curious to know, in this example, what would you actually do:
1) Break the law, take a gun and murder them. (War)
2) Go to a court and obtain a restraining order. (Diplomacy, with sanctions)
3) Call him up and try to work out the differences. (Direct diplomacy)
4) Other, please explain?

2-4 have already been tried, yet the preisdent of Iran still uses talk abouyt destroying Israel.

Only option 1 is left, but everyone is still holding out that options 2-4 may work belated.