Poker live game scams to avoid

[Fabbs]

In furtherance of Mannys thread warning of online scamming:
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101147
Manny
There have been farm more alleged scams being run in live games than there have been online. I think this may have been a typo, unless Texas features many "farm" poker games that Manny attends.:lol

What live games scams are to be avoided?

Obviously slow play-team play is irritating but i don't think most places will ban it. By that i mean arseholes who bet huge on the preflop just to get them and their buddees in, then check check check to the river as they are all sharing the money. That's b.s. I will not play in these games.

[MannyIsGod]

Crooked dealing, collusion and team play? Its not a typo. People have been cheating in live poker since the game was invented. If they're good you're not going to spot it and I doubt you're going to make a fuss at any of the underground games if you do notice it. Your best bet is to cash out leave and not to return.

[MannyIsGod]

Manny I think this may have been a typo, unless Texas features many "farm" poker games that Manny attends.:lolIt wasn't a typo and I'm not sure why you thought it was. There are dozens upon dozens of live "underground" games in San Antonio. I don't frequent them because there is a substantial risk of either being robbed at gunpoint (this has happend a LOT) and I'm sure there is a pretty good risk of me being scammed. The rake is also a bitch at these games (LOL @ 20 dollar rake in a 200 dollar 1/2 NL pot) but the players are so bad that it can still be well worth it.

[Fabbs]

It wasn't a typo and I'm not sure why you thought it was. There are dozens upon dozens of live "underground" games in San Antonio. I don't frequent them because there is a substantial risk of either being robbed at gunpoint (this has happend a LOT) and I'm sure there is a pretty good risk of me being scammed. The rake is also a bitch at these games (LOL @ 20 dollar rake in a 200 dollar 1/2 NL pot) but the players are so bad that it can still be well worth it.
Manny,
No I'm not making fun of the idea of games being crooked at all, they are and i want and wanted your imput.
What i was making levity of is i think you meant to write
There have been far more alleged scams vs
There have been farm more alleged scams
:lol

[Fabbs]

Crooked dealing, collusion and team play? Its not a typo. People have been cheating in live poker since the game was invented. If they're good you're not going to spot it and I doubt you're going to make a fuss at any of the underground games if you do notice it. Your best bet is to cash out leave and not to return.

How do the dealers get in on it?

[scott]

I've scammed Manny plenty, he's an easy mark.

My scam: just invite him over to play cards.

[MannyIsGod]

Manny,
No I'm not making fun of the idea of games being crooked at all, they are and i want and wanted your imput.
What i was making levity of is i think you meant to write
There have been far more alleged scams vs
There have been farm more alleged scams
:lol

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :LOL

I didn't catch that. I'm a retard. My bad :)

Anyway - I don't have a clue on how to spot cheaters dude. All I know is that I've heard stories of certain games around here being scams. I just avoid places that I don't trust (which ends up being almost every underground game).

[scott]

Manny also doesn't know how to spot better players, even when surrounded by 10 of them on a constant basis for hours at a time.

[MannyIsGod]

11 players to a table now?

[pkbpkb81]

Where Dose Everyone Play In Town Let Me Knowi Am Looking For A Game

[scott]

11 players to a table now?

How do you play live games?

[slowchild25]

How do you play live games?

Not with 11 people at a table.

[scott]

Not with 11 people at a table.

Don't have that many friends?

I haven't been to Vegas in awhile, but IIRC every table had room for at least 10 players (sometimes more) and a dealer... unless my math has gone sour, that equals 11

[slowchild25]

Manny also doesn't know how to spot better players, even when surrounded by 10 of them on a constant basis for hours at a time.


Don't have that many friends?

I haven't been to Vegas in awhile, but IIRC every table had room for at least 10 players (sometimes more) and a dealer... unless my math has gone sour, that equals 11

Most casino's I've been to play with 9 or if things are really crowded and every table full maybe max 10 and unless I'm crazy I'm pretty sure the dealers are not allowed to play, even at Native American casino's.

When playing with friends if there is more than 9 people we usually split it into two tables.

[scott]

Oh, yeah I didn't mean to imply the dealers play... that would be kind of crazy. Vegas casinos, which I haven't been to in years, used to sit 10 or 11 at a table regularly.

Anyway, back to the point of this thread, which is that Manny sucks at life.

[Heath Ledger]

Dealers are more than welcome to play at casinos on there time off (Vegas) even at the ones they work at.

[MannyIsGod]

Oh, yeah I didn't mean to imply the dealers play... that would be kind of crazy. Vegas casinos, which I haven't been to in years, used to sit 10 or 11 at a table regularly.

Anyway, back to the point of this thread, which is that Manny sucks at life.

real classey scoot.

[Jimcs50]

I am coming in town on Sept 19th for a continuing ed class, so can you guys get a poker game set up that night(Friday)?

[Jimcs50]

In Vegas, 10 player games is more common than 9.

The 5 and 6 seats split the dealer's chip box in front of them.

[MannyIsGod]

Hey does anyone run six max games in Vegas?

[scott]

ESPN, the internet and 6-man games ruined poker. Hope you assholes are happy.

[2centsworth]

I am coming in town on Sept 19th for a continuing ed class, so can you guys get a poker game set up that night(Friday)?

I'm working on something. keep it open.

[MannyIsGod]

ESPN, the internet and 6-man games ruined poker. Hope you assholes are happy.

Six man games involve wayyyyyyyyyyy more poker playing than 10 man games do.

[MannyIsGod]

I'd be down for a live game when Jim is in town, I just can't host.

[Heath Ledger]

If some dudes plan on doing a spurstalk trip to vegas let me know maybe we can get a private cash game or tourney set up.

[Dex]

ESPN, the internet and 6-man games ruined poker. Hope you assholes are happy.

I am happy, actually. I won 10 bucks tonight. :downspin:

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Hell, I'd never play an underground game, especially with a shitty rake. IMHO, the reason you pay the rake to the casino is for the security of the game.

On an unrelated point, I saw something I've never seen before the other day - a guy who only called or folded, never bet or raised, not once in 3 hours. Now I know what a calling station is, but this guy wasn't one. He'd fold a lot, would never open the betting, never raised, only called. He'd call a small pot on the river with high trips, shit like that. Never seen it before in my life. Guy was a tool too. Unfortunately I never had the cards to take his stake.

Anyway, that night I had shitty cards for 3 hours then my first pocket pair all night was QQ which flopped trips, and 5 hands later I had AA - bet of $15, one caller, I was on the button and raised to $40, first guy went to $65 all-in, second guy upped it to $100, and I went all-in for $340 and got called. First guy had 99, second guy, who had been playing very well, A10 (WTF!?!?). Man, that was a weird table - a whole bunch of callers and low-raisers, and every time I'd try to steal someone would re-raise, so I just holed up and waited for the cards to hurt them. It was worth waiting for in the end.

[scott]

Six man games involve wayyyyyyyyyyy more poker playing than 10 man games do.

For people who only know how to count to 12, that might be true.

[MannyIsGod]

For people who only know how to count to 12, that might be true.

Full ring is for nits who don't know how to play real poker.

[MannyIsGod]

Hell, I'd never play an underground game, especially with a shitty rake. IMHO, the reason you pay the rake to the casino is for the security of the game.


No casinos in SA dude.



On an unrelated point, I saw something I've never seen before the other day - a guy who only called or folded, never bet or raised, not once in 3 hours. Now I know what a calling station is, but this guy wasn't one. He'd fold a lot, would never open the betting, never raised, only called. He'd call a small pot on the river with high trips, shit like that. Never seen it before in my life. Guy was a tool too. Unfortunately I never had the cards to take his stake.

You don't need cards to make money from someone who is so bad! Play lots of hands against him and just fold him out or value bet when your hand actually hits.



Anyway, that night I had shitty cards for 3 hours then my first pocket pair all night was QQ which flopped trips, and 5 hands later I had AA - bet of $15, one caller, I was on the button and raised to $40, first guy went to $65 all-in, second guy upped it to $100, and I went all-in for $340 and got called. First guy had 99, second guy, who had been playing very well, A10 (WTF!?!?). Man, that was a weird table - a whole bunch of callers and low-raisers, and every time I'd try to steal someone would re-raise, so I just holed up and waited for the cards to hurt them. It was worth waiting for in the end.

See - Casino players = donks. Online games aren't like that anymore. They were a few years ago. Man - it was nice.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

No casions - does that mean no card rooms too? So all of the live action in SA is illegal? How does that work? The authorities must know about these places (from what people are saying it sounds like there's a fair few), so do they just turn a blind eye or what?



You don't need cards to make money from someone who is so bad! Play lots of hands against him and just fold him out or value bet when your hand actually hits.

Yeah, I tried that for the first hour and every time he'd turn over two pair or better... twas frustrating, so I backed off. He simply wouldn't fold when he should have and kept hitting his bullshit! Three times I had him dominated on the flop or turn, bet hard and he called and hit his crap. He just had the run of the cards. I took a few smaller pots off him later though, and pretty much got my money back from him.

BTW, how's your new home (Michigan?)?

I'm still amazed by the $340 call from the A10 guy. He had played very solid poker up to that point. He said he thought I was bluffing. :lol I think he just got tired and impatient.

[Jimcs50]

Hell, I'd never play an underground game, especially with a shitty rake. IMHO, the reason you pay the rake to the casino is for the security of the game.

On an unrelated point, I saw something I've never seen before the other day - a guy who only called or folded, never bet or raised, not once in 3 hours. Now I know what a calling station is, but this guy wasn't one. He'd fold a lot, would never open the betting, never raised, only called. He'd call a small pot on the river with high trips, shit like that. Never seen it before in my life. Guy was a tool too. Unfortunately I never had the cards to take his stake.

Anyway, that night I had shitty cards for 3 hours then my first pocket pair all night was QQ which flopped trips, and 5 hands later I had AA - bet of $15, one caller, I was on the button and raised to $40, first guy went to $65 all-in, second guy upped it to $100, and I went all-in for $340 and got called. First guy had 99, second guy, who had been playing very well, A10 (WTF!?!?). Man, that was a weird table - a whole bunch of callers and low-raisers, and every time I'd try to steal someone would re-raise, so I just holed up and waited for the cards to hurt them. It was worth waiting for in the end.



I play 2 underground games here, because that is all they have. The rake is not too bad, and they give you food and drinks.

There is always the chance that we can get robbed or popped by the cops, but I have to have my poker.

[Heath Ledger]

that calling folding guy sounds like a possible schill to me

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

that calling folding guy sounds like a possible schill to me

What do you mean by "schill"? That he was working with someone else on the table? If so, no way. This guy was just a moron. When he was leaving, I said "you play an interesting brand of poker" in a sardonic tone, and he looked straight at me and "so do you" like he had no idea what I was talking about.

Nah, he wasn't a dupe, because his play wasn't advantaging anyone in particular. he was just a moron who thought he was better off never betting or raising. I guess he figured that way he never gave out information (except that he'd hit something), which was true, but it also lost him a lot of money he could've made on nice cards.

BTW, he looked like Yosemite Sam with grey hair! :lmao