Summer League Game 3: Spurs vs. Knicks

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DATE: 7/16/08
TIME: 3:00 PM CST
BROADCAST: NBATV

Regardless of the struggles, I like what I am seeing from Ian, Hill and Gist. Hill really looked like he was trying a little too hard to make things happen last night and struggled because of it. Let's see if he adjusts some tonight and lets the game come to him a little bit more rather than trying to force the issue. Speaking of forces...Gist is looking like one so far. Honestly, I think we need a player like him even more than we need a player like Hill. I hope he keeps it up and can make the team.

According to NBA.com, this game should be on NBATV. I will miss it because of work, but I've got the DVR ready. :tu

[Sissiborgo]

Spurs Will take it

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:tu Finally, on TV.

[tav1]

In addition to our young players, this gives Spurs fans a chance to watch Wilson Chandler and Renaldo Balkman, who've both been mentioned as trade exception targets in the past.

Balkman is playing center for the Knicks. This should be an interesting test for Ian Mahinmi. First, he'll have to chase Balkman around on D. Second, I'm not sure he can out quick Balkman. He'll need to establish low position and use some of low block power moves. I took in two Knick games last season, and in one game Balkman played affective D against LaMarcus Aldridge, so I think this could be difficult for Ian if he's not smart about how he plays it. I had baseline seats and saw up close that although undersized Balkman was gritty and tough as a post defender, even if it is unnatural for him.

[mrspurs]

thus far with 2 games under our SL belts the only thing that worries me is ians play......he plays like fab( scared,hesitant,unsure ) those are qualitys that make choke artists(regardless of their numbers after the game)...we cant afford another choke artist big

[anakha]

Over/under on posts proclaiming Hill and Mahinmi saviors or busts after this game?

I'd set the line at about 30.

[Slinkyman]

Knicks have a strong team with Chandler, Roberson, Balkman, Gallinari and Collins. Spurs need to play alot better then they have the first two games to win this one.

[duncan228]

:tu Finally, on TV.

+1

[SPURSGOAT]

:tu Finally, on TV.

:tu have my Tivo ready since stuck at work...

[td4mvp21]

I'm going to watch this shit :tu

[nil.ball]

sweet, i want see the european guy

[Darthkiller]

the big cock is gonna heat it up.

[DPG21920]

Why is everyone not mentioning Hairston? He has looked the most effective at getting to the rim and finishing outside of Gist. He has good handles and nice size, I would not sleep on him yet. He seems like one of those guys whom people confuse his in control demeanor for lack of fire.

He has not looked great, but looks solid athletically and shows some nice tools.

[oligarchy]

Why is everyone not mentioning Hairston? He has looked the most effective at getting to the rim and finishing outside of Gist. He has good handles and nice size, I would not sleep on him yet. He seems like one of those guys whom people confuse his in control demeanor for lack of fire.

He has not looked great, but looks solid athletically and shows some nice tools.

He looks invisible on the court, and looks to give up on defense. It's possible he may slowly show more in the games ahead, but at this point, he hasn't shown anything that would make him stick. Green and Tolliver have both shown more, and I don't think either is an NBA player.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Why is everyone not mentioning Hairston? He has looked the most effective at getting to the rim and finishing outside of Gist. He has good handles and nice size, I would not sleep on him yet. He seems like one of those guys whom people confuse his in control demeanor for lack of fire.

He has not looked great, but looks solid athletically and shows some nice tools.

Off all the draft picks it's obvious that Hairston has done the worst, and although he's finished at the basket nicely in the last game, he's unmotivated on defense and looks like he's not gonna make it.

[DPG21920]

For sure. He has played the worst. But even then, he still shows NBA tools imo. He does not looked overwhelmed, just passive.

[SKINNYPIMP210]

Why is everyone not mentioning Hairston? He has looked the most effective at getting to the rim and finishing outside of Gist. He has good handles and nice size, I would not sleep on him yet. He seems like one of those guys whom people confuse his in control demeanor for lack of fire.

He has not looked great, but looks solid athletically and shows some nice tools.

Yea that first move he had to the rim yesterday was nice. I think he's solid and would be even better with a little more development. Gist was the "Shit" these last two games! I love his game. Also there is no way in Hell that I'm gonna give up on Hill just because of one bad SL game.

[tav1]

For sure. He has played the worst. But even then, he still shows NBA tools imo. He does not looked overwhelmed, just passive.

Those "NBA tools" are why he was drafted, but he needs to show more than that to make the team. Right now, he may not even get a training camp invite.

[oligarchy]

Those "NBA tools" are why he was drafted, but he needs to show more than that to make the team. Right now, he may not even get a training camp invite.

He'll get a training camp invite regardless.

[SenorSpur]

:tu Finally, on TV.

:tu :tu + 2

I'm stoked.

[midgetonadonkey]

Is it at 3 or 3:30 CST?

[tav1]

3 Pm Cst

[bavarianworks]

What channel and what time?

[DPG21920]

Those "NBA tools" are why he was drafted, but he needs to show more than that to make the team. Right now, he may not even get a training camp invite.

I disagree. I never said he will make the team. I just said that everyone is saying: Ian, Hill and Gist and leaving Hairston out. He looks like he can play at this level was my point, he looks like he belongs. He will get an invite, but unless he turns those tools into weapons, he will not make the team.

[tav1]

I disagree. I never said he will make the team. I just said that everyone is saying: Ian, Hill and Gist and leaving Hairston out. He looks like he can play at this level was my point, he looks like he belongs. He will get an invite, but unless he turns those tools into weapons, he will not make the team.

I'm not sure how to argue back because you're the only one who thinks he looks like he belongs. None of us have the same decoder glasses that you're wearing. You're probably right about the training camp invite. It's too early for the Spurs to say mea culpa. Maybe Hairston will get an invitation to play for the Toros a la Marcus Williams.

[duncan228]

What channel and what time?

NBA TV, 4:00 Eastern, 3:00 San Antonio, 1:00 Pacific.

[SKINNYPIMP210]

What about Anthony Tolliver? That dude (besides Gist) is the biggest surprise so far, he can shoot lights out!

[DPG21920]

Those "NBA tools" are why he was drafted, but he needs to show more than that to make the team. Right now, he may not even get a training camp invite.

So now I am right about the invite, which you said no. You said no one has my decoder goggles on, but then you switch your opinion?

He has the tools, many players out there even when they play their best do not look like they belong. Hairston playing bad, still looks like he could be one of the best players on the floor. IMO. Not an all-star or anything, but effective role player.

[DPG21920]

What about Anthony Tolliver? That dude (besides Gist) is the biggest surprise so far, he can shoot lights out!

He reminds me of a smaller Earl Barron. Keyword smaller.

[Brutalis]

Not going to be streamed on NBA.com?

[DPG21920]

Do the Spurs play on the same court as the Blazers? If this overtime cuts into the Spurs game I will be pissed.

[BrianBird]

Apparently with Direct TV NBA TV isn't included in my plan like it was for cable...

Anyone know of a streaming link like the ones Timvp found for the last 2 games?

[hater]

fuck howcome nba.com stream not working :pctoss

[Brutalis]

Apparently with Direct TV NBA TV isn't included in my plan like it was for cable...

Anyone know of a streaming link like the ones Timvp found for the last 2 games?

Same here man. :depressed

[SenorSpur]

As the previous game, between Por and Sac, winds down, I find it amusing that Monty Williams is coaching Portland's SL teamm

[timvp]

This should be the stream for today's game:

http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia-live/nba/9926/500_nba-league_pass_new_york_051201.asx

However, note that the NBA usually delays the stream a little bit when the game is also on NBATV. I'm guessing the logic is to make people want to watch it on TV if they can.

But yeah, it should start working eventually. The delay is usually like 5 to 15 minutes.

[coopdogg3]

This should be the stream for today's game:

http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia-live/nba/9926/500_nba-league_pass_new_york_051201.asx

However, note that the NBA usually delays the stream a little bit when the game is also on NBATV. I'm guessing the logic is to make people want to watch it on TV if they can.

But yeah, it should start working eventually. The delay is usually like 5 to 15 minutes.

That should make for some fun commentary. Some of us are gonna 5-15 minutes behind everyone else.

[tav1]

So now I am right about the invite, which you said no. You said no one has my decoder goggles on, but then you switch your opinion?

He has the tools, many players out there even when they play their best do not look like they belong. Hairston playing bad, still looks like he could be one of the best players on the floor. IMO. Not an all-star or anything, but effective role player.

You need to chill out and read a little more carefully. I initially wrote, "Right now, he may not even get a training camp invite." This is not a statement saying that he will or or will not get an invite. This is statement saying he is playing so poorly that it's not certain he'll get an invite. You know the difference between "may", "can", "will" and "won't" or should I explain these things to you? It's never too late to learn.

I also said that no one had decoder glasses that suggest he belongs, as your's seem to do. That's still true. Last night, for example, he looked like maybe the 10th best player on the floor. Even Hill's 0-10 was more impressive.

[BrianBird]

This should be the stream for today's game:

http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia-live/nba/9926/500_nba-league_pass_new_york_051201.asx

However, note that the NBA usually delays the stream a little bit when the game is also on NBATV. I'm guessing the logic is to make people want to watch it on TV if they can.

But yeah, it should start working eventually. The delay is usually like 5 to 15 minutes.

Much appreciated, Sir

[tav1]

You guys still getting the Live Event screen holder?

[midgetonadonkey]

You guys still getting the Live Event screen holder?

Yup

[tav1]

It's scheduled for 4pm EST, correct?

[ShoogarBear]

D'Antoni vs. Pop :hungry:

[duncan228]

It's scheduled for 4pm EST, correct?

Yes.

[ShoogarBear]

Sweet, Clyde is broadcasting the game.

[coopdogg3]

Blasted time delay.

[lebomb]

LOL.........G. Hill is now 0-11. Missed his first shot.

[lebomb]

Gist has 6 of the Spurs first 12pts.

[urunobili]

link is not working for me
no game all blank

[Pucho!!!]

How long is the delay?

[lebomb]

Its not delayed.....go to NBA.com and just keep watching the score update. Video may not be playing, but that is it.

[tav1]

F. I hate this damn delay. I still have it, is that the same for the rest of you watching from work?

[coopdogg3]

I'm still waiting too. Have a NBA Summer League, EA Sports, Live Event thing up. And that's it.

[Pucho!!!]

So is there a delay or not? If so, how long is it?

[tav1]

It looks like those without NBATV are getting screwed by Stern.

[coopdogg3]

I'm finding the "Live Event" particularly ironic.

[lebomb]

Its not delayed.......there is a delay in posting the updated score.....piece of shit!!!!

[oligarchy]

25 - 19 spurs..

[hater]

crap!! no streaming

[yavozerb]

So who is actually watching the game and what is the current score?

[yavozerb]

thanks

[Brutalis]

Fuck is up with this live event screen?

[remingtonbo2001]

You guys want a play by play.

Angel_Luv is speaking with the mother, so I'm sitting here alone watching the game by myself.

Could be better, could be worse.

[Pucho!!!]

It is delayed, 30min, it doesnt start till 330pm on the webcast

[oligarchy]

It's only on NBATV.

[tav1]

You guys want a play by play.

Angel_Luv is speaking with the mother, so I'm sitting here alone watching the game by myself.

Could be better, could be worse.

Give it to us.

[remingtonbo2001]

Nate Robinson knocks down the long jumper. 25-21 Spurs.

[remingtonbo2001]

Turnover by Tolliver. Knicks ball.

[remingtonbo2001]

Marty Collins with the rainbow from the freethrow line. 25-23

[picnroll]

Are Hill or Mahinmi showing anything? Good hopefully.

[Pucho!!!]

Check the broadcast schedule, it started LIVE on NBATV at 4p (3pm central time); it starts at 430p (33opm central time) on the NBA.com webcast

[remingtonbo2001]

Some white guy is running the point. Turnover.

Marty Collins with the jumper to tie up the game at 25.

[remingtonbo2001]

D'Antoni in the stands evaluating talent.

[remingtonbo2001]

The Spurs have come out sluggish to start the 2nd. They have tried to get it into Ian the past couple of possessions but have failed.

[oligarchy]

Some white guy is running the point. Turnover.

That was Brian Morrison

[remingtonbo2001]

Gallahari is on the bench. Not sure if he's even suited up for tonight.

[remingtonbo2001]

That was Brian Morrison

:tu Thanks.

Morrison has trouble getting the ball to Ian.

[remingtonbo2001]

New York in now up 25-27.

[remingtonbo2001]

Rebound by #31. Hill is back at the point.

[remingtonbo2001]

Missed shot by #31.

[tmtcsc]

James Gist has looked really good. Good rebounding and very active.

[oligarchy]

Hairston is looking better. Playing with pressure on defense.

Nice little kick-out by Hairston but Tolliver missed the open look

[remingtonbo2001]

Nate Robinson at the line. Knocks down both freethrows. 25-29.

New York on a 10-0 run.

[Brutalis]

#31 is Watkins I think.

[remingtonbo2001]

Mahinimi with the block. Foul before the block.

[remingtonbo2001]

Spurs ball.

[remingtonbo2001]

Knicks on the break, foul.

[remingtonbo2001]

Spurs Ball.

[lebomb]

Thanks for keeping us updated guys!!!

[oligarchy]

#31 is Watkins I think.

Tolliver.

Gist back in the game.

[DespЏrado]

Its streaming now yay!

[Pucho!!!]

The game is on webcast fellas, enjooyy

[remingtonbo2001]

Spurs can't buy a bucket.

Some knicks player went hard to the rack. I don't know their names cause all the commentators are talking about is Gallahari.

[coopdogg3]

And we're on. Sweet.

[remingtonbo2001]

I was having fun doing play by play. :depressed.

[oligarchy]

Green with a nice rebound and turn-around putback

[remingtonbo2001]

Finally got a basket.

[tmtcsc]

31-27 Knicks

[oligarchy]

The webcasters will be out of synch now, watching what already happened.

[remingtonbo2001]

So... When are these clowns going to start calling the game?

[oligarchy]

Morrison can't finish.

[tmtcsc]

Good Gawd, stop showing Gallinari every 5 secs

[coopdogg3]

Wow, long, smooth 2 from Gist

[coopdogg3]

So... When are these clowns going to start calling the game?

It's up. Thanks for the play-by-play

[oligarchy]

Every stop in action is a shot of Gallinari..

[coopdogg3]

Good D, followed by alley-oop.

[Darthkiller]

aw man, the cock is still sore from last time.

[picnroll]

You getting on the NBA.COM webite?

[oligarchy]

Ouch. Mahinmi with the block on Hunter, but then Hunter puts it back in his face.

[jcrod]

anybody else having buffering issues. It plays and pauses. Wasn't having these issues last two games.

[coopdogg3]

I'm using TimVPs site.

I'm really liking Gist.

[oligarchy]

Mahinmi with the two-handed dunk..

[nil.ball]

How's G. Hill doing, looks pretty solid from stats.

[jayc23]

god the long range shooting is so ugly.. its not just misses, its CLANK

[jayc23]

Hill is just distributing to players who keep missing

[lebomb]

How's G. Hill doing, looks pretty solid from stats.


Hugh?? I think he is still 0'fer

[tmtcsc]

Ian's got a long way to go. Maybe he will be better with better teammates but he's far from being a dominant player when he's on the floor. He seems a bit stiff w/ the occasional good move. I was hoping he would be head and shoulders above everyone else. He's so so.

Gist is now taking some long jumpers and has started to get away from what he was doing earlier.

Hill is a good rebounder for a pg.

[oligarchy]

How's G. Hill doing, looks pretty solid from stats.

Solid Rebounding. Shot still isn't falling.

Takes it to the rack.. draws the foul.

[coopdogg3]

Gist with a fadeway.

Can Gist be our new !

[oligarchy]

Nice drive by Hairston, chance for three-point play.

[jayc23]

and 1 , nice drive to the buck by hairiston

[wildbill2u]

Talk about a delay. The streaming internet access just started.

My mistake. It's showing 3 minutes or so on the clock. I guess it was just my comptueer

[tmtcsc]

8-0 run by Spurs. 37-35

[oligarchy]

Mahinmi showing nice touch from the outside.

[Brutalis]

anybody else having buffering issues. It plays and pauses. Wasn't having these issues last two games.

Yup I closed it out tired of that crap.

[nil.ball]

why is nate robinson playing, i mean does he really enjoy vegas that much.

[Jobbs]

My feed like a quarter behind :(

[nil.ball]

Hugh?? I think he is still 0'fer


4 rebounds 2 assists in one quarter is pretty good for me
and he's only 0-1


oops: sorry didn't realize it is half time.
wow the broadcast is like way behind. wtf

[tmtcsc]

Gist with a fadeway.

Can Gist be our new !

That wasn't Gist.

[lebomb]

4 rebounds 2 assists in one quarter is pretty good for me
and he's only 0-1


But 0-2 on shots and 0-1 on 3s and 2pts at half sucks ASS!!!! :depressed

[coopdogg3]

Wow, I'm so done with this Herb interview. Blasted Knicks.

[SKINNYPIMP210]

Every stop in action is a shot of Gallinari..

Yep and all the half time highlights before the break were all Knicks.....

[coopdogg3]

Can someone who is watching this on TV tell me when this Herb interview is over?

[SenorSpur]

Can someone who is watching this on TV tell me when this Herb interview is over?

OVer now. OF course, it's halftime. J-Rich will be special guest in 2nd half.

Damn Knicks telecast

[Marcus Bryant]

Yep and all the half time highlights before the break were all Knicks.....

It is the MSG broadcast.

[Spurs Brazil]

On internet the 1st quarter just ended

[spurman20]

Sign Tolliver now!

[oligarchy]

Popovich behind the toothless woman with his grizzly beard.

[coopdogg3]

OVer now. OF course, it's halftime. J-Rich will be special guest in 2nd half.

Damn Knicks telecast

Say it ain't so.

That was the worst interview ever. Rambling about stupid crap. herb giving the company line. Refused to give a play-by-play which is the only benefit to a commentary. I was hoping I wouldn't ahve to be looking up players numbers to see who is who.

[wildbill2u]

On internet the 1st quarter just ended

Don't make any bets with the guys watching NBA.com!:nope

[nil.ball]

Who is that white guy with no hair. Mike bibby 2.0.

[oligarchy]

Brian Morrison

[spurman20]

Balkman looks like a bitch! Brian Grant wanna be!

[picnroll]

How's Hill's defense? Is that part of his game holding up?

[coopdogg3]

Good God, now I have an interview with some Italian dude. I guess just trying to watch and enjoy some basketball is too much to ask. Blasted Knicks propaganda.

[oligarchy]

No rotation on defense.

[coopdogg3]

How's Hill's defense? Is that part of his game holding up?

I'm halfway through the 2nd quarter, I'm satisfied with his defense so far.

[oligarchy]

Nice feed by Gist, and nice finish by Mahinmi.

[oligarchy]

Nice drive by Green.

[coopdogg3]

Spurs have drawn 2 charges, but I can't tell by who - because they keep showing Galinari on the sideline. I'm gonna punch someone.

[oligarchy]

Nice pressure defense in the backcourt.. nice steal by Green with the drive and finish.

[Ocotillo]

Jeez enough of the Danilo close ups. Is this Tiger Beat or a friggin basketball game?

[jayc23]

Hill drew one charge

[nil.ball]

This white guy is looking good, without hair.

[coopdogg3]

I now hate all Italians.

[Matchman]

QRich's interview will be on in the 3rd quarter.

[oligarchy]

Balkman hurt his ankle.

[oligarchy]

Hairston very nice moves.

[El Jefe]

Hill's defense is looking good. He got beat backdoor by Nate Robinson once, but other than that he's looked solid. I'm starting to think he has a chance to be a player in this league.

[nil.ball]

Hill's defense is looking good. He got beat backdoor by Nate Robinson once, but other than that he's looked solid. I'm starting to think he has a chance to be a player in this league.

I think once he find his shot, he will be a good player.

[yavozerb]

Hill will find his shot, that is what he does best, scores....Right now he is just thinking too much and it is effecting his shot.

[Darthkiller]

wtf pop..

[DPG21920]

hairston having a nice game

[picnroll]

Haven't been able to see squat. Is Hill's ballhandling better this game?

[picnroll]

Also who's on Chandler? Gist?

[DPG21920]

Hill has not been able to get into the paint nearly as much. He is kind of just standing around the perimeter.

[Mr. Body]

Checking in... how many baskets has Hill made?

[picnroll]

Checking in... how many baskets has Hill made?

Two fewer than Nate Robinson the other PG.

[objective]

Checking in... how many baskets has Hill made?

according to the boxscore he's 0-5

that brings his summer league FG% to 8%.

[DPG21920]

He is passing better, but he should try and get into the lane more. He reminds me of how Devin Harris when he first started could get into the lane like TP, but could not finish.

[ducks]

he needs to learn the tear drop from tp

[Obstructed_View]

They must give tickets away to the games they're going to televise.

[nil.ball]

according to the boxscore he's 0-5

that brings his summer league FG% to 8%.

he's probably thinking way too much, even if he just toss it up for no good, it will fall 30% of the time by statistics.

[coopdogg3]

Oh joy, now I'm listening to Q-Rich.

[Obstructed_View]

As long as they don't go split screen on him.

[2centsworth]

Kid has all the tools, except for maybe between the ears. Can your confidence really be that shaken that you shoot 8%.

[coopdogg3]

Wow, Ian just got owned.

[Obstructed_View]

Kid has all the tools, except for maybe between the ears. Can your confidence really be that shaken that you shoot 8%.

When he's been a scorer for as long as he has, do we really care that he's having trouble shooting? That's like the least of anyone's worries when it comes to him.

Mahinmi just got schtooofed.

[Obstructed_View]

Malik.

[coopdogg3]

Hairston hit a long 2 - that's good to see.

[DespЏrado]

I think Hill looks very able to control the tempo of the game. His defense and rebounding are off the charts for his size. If he could just find his shot I would love to see him find the confidence to start letting them fly. Once he does that things will get a lot easier for him.

[Obstructed_View]

How far is the online feed behind the TV feed? Anyone know? 3:00in the third now online.

[objective]

Mahinmi stuffed hard at the rim by I think Von Wafer of all people.

[oligarchy]

22 seconds left in the game

[Obstructed_View]

22 seconds left in the game

Cool. Thanks. So if I'm fifteen minutes behind on some of my comments you guys know why. :)

[coopdogg3]

On the internet, they have Balkman's crumpled body. Hope he's OK.

[DPG21920]

game is over on nba tv, only seconds left

[DespЏrado]

I'd love to see his +/- numbers. I think they would show that he is having a a positive impact on the game.

[oligarchy]

Game over 82-67

[Obstructed_View]

On the internet, they have Balkman's crumpled body. Hope he's OK.

Damn dirty Spurs player slid under him when he went up for the block. Someone needs to let Isiah in with his knife.

[nil.ball]

Kid has all the tools, except for maybe between the ears. Can your confidence really be that shaken that you shoot 8%.

I think is normal. He's probably a long term project.

[coopdogg3]

Apparently Hairston is invisible. He drove and no one seemed to see him.

[El Jefe]

I think Hill looks very able to control the tempo of the game. His defense and rebounding are off the charts for his size. If he could just find his shot I would love to see him find the confidence to start letting them fly. Once he does that things will get a lot easier for him.

:tu I completely agree

[nil.ball]

Isn't bad compared with Nate Robinson, who has been in the league many years.

[coopdogg3]

I think Hairston just had another nice drive. Split-screen is gonna be the death of me.

[picnroll]

Nate Robinson and Chandler did very little by way of the boxscore so somebody must have been doing a good job on D. Chandler had been playing very well so far in SL.

[Darkwaters]

I think is normal. He's probably a long term project.

A long term project? Hardly. He was drafted with the intention of playing NOW as the backup.

[Darkwaters]

Judging just by the box score it looks like Gist was all over the place again.

[jcrod]

Green and Toliver should be invited to camp.

Hill's defense is great, just needs to learn the PG position a little more.

I think Ian will play better with players who know the system.

[Buddy Holly]

James Gist with another double double.

10 pts, 10 rebs, 2 asts in 26 minutes.

[picnroll]

Maybe Hill will eventually be a Lindsay Hunter type with hopefully a little better offense.

[DPG21920]

Hill reminds me of a combination of Devin Harris and Rondo. Not quite the defender they are, but close to the same game. Devin looked a lot like Hill when he first came into the league.

[Obstructed_View]

Hill's not that quick.

[DPG21920]

He is not as athletic, but close.

[DPG21920]

Better rebounder and ball handler imo.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

Hill looked pretty good.

But,

he has trouble making shots in traffic and he isn't that quick with the ball (I didn't see him break anyone down on offense off the dribble ala Manu or TP) . He's a better overall athlete than Parker (has more potential to be a better defender than him), but he lacks quickness and agility to get in the lane and make noise on O, which is what makes Tony Tony and Manu Manu.

People here say he's good at shooting, and I hope so, because his ballhandling, although better today than before - he looked less shakey - isn't all that impressive.

[DPG21920]

and even though he is shooting terribly, his shot mechanically looks better.

[Mr. Body]

If Gist is the only productive player we get out of this draft, that's still better than the last two + years with rookies.

Hill's pretty good defensively and is a good rebounder. Those things will keep him around, so hopefully he can learn how to get the ball in the hoop at even the Summer League level. He's even worse than Muggsy Bogues out there, without the playmaking capabilities. I like the kid, but drafting him in the first round will slowly reveal to more and more people to be a mistake.

[coopdogg3]

I think that was Hairston with anohter long J.

[Obstructed_View]

I think that was Hairston with anohter long J.

That was Gist I think. At least that's what the PA guy said. I don't see him on the floor though.

[Buddy Holly]

Drafting Hill at 26 if there was a legit shot of him being taken later in the first or early in the second is a good move o the Spurs.

People here... cough, mr body cough, are too damned obsessed with player the Spurs really didn't need that have so far performed well in summer league.

[Mr. Body]

People are overstating Hill's ballhandling and passing. There's a vested interest in talking him into a good player.

[coopdogg3]

That was Gist I think.

I think I prefer the games without commentary. At least the announcer gave names of people who hit the shots and no lame interviews.

[DPG21920]

He is raw, but I see him more as a defensive specialist, a la Harris, with more potential to be a better shooter.

[Solid D]

The best 5 for the Spurs SL team are:
Mahinmi - looked a little more comfortable. He rebounded well but the Knicks didn't have much size. Ian still is not fluid and needs to work on really flushing it when he gets near the rim. He should make the Spurs roster but he needs to realize he is better than he thinks he is.
Gist- looking more and more like he will make the 15-man roster. He showed the ability to rebound, defend, block shots, and score, even from the outside.
Tolliver - very active, excellent mobility for his size and has a good outside touch
Powell - really showed his scoring abiility today
Hill - Basic PG play, solid defender, nothing fancy, slow and methodical, learning what it's like to shoot on 10 foot rims, now.

[coopdogg3]

alright, possible 4 point play

[jayc23]

I wish George had went into the NBA a year or 2 ago and went to dleague etc.. would have been much more productive for him... he was NBA caliber a while ago.. he could score at will in college and it didn't prepare him like this is preparing him.. but Hill is a smart kid and will learn quickly

[Obstructed_View]

The best 5 for the Spurs SL team are:
Mahinmi - looked a little more comfortable. He rebounded well but the Knicks didn't have much size. Ian still is not fluid and needs to work on really flushing it when he gets near the rim. He should make the Spurs roster but he needs to realize he is better than he thinks he is.
Gist- looking more and more like he will make the 15-man roster. He showed the ability to rebound, defend, block shots, and score, even from the outside.
Tolliver - very active, excellent mobility for his size and has a good outside touch
Powell - really showed his scoring abiility
Hill - Basic PG play, solid defender, nothing fancy, slow and methodical, learning what it's like to shoot on 10 foot rims, now.

Green has been very good. He's been the second best player on the floor since I started watching.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

Gist is going to be a player for us. He has some long ass arms. I don't want to get too ahead of myself here, but I can see him helping us out with our problems guarding David West and Lamar Odom.

[Mr. Body]

Drafting Hill at 26 if there was a legit shot of him being taken later in the first or early in the second is a good move o the Spurs.

People here... cough, mr body cough, are too damned obsessed with player the Spurs really didn't need that have so far performed well in summer league.

Players like Hill, who have good physical tools, are undersized SGs, could possibly become points, are a dime a dozen in this league. You have to realize the team reached to get him. No big loss if another team nabs him later if you're sitting with a more productive player.

[modmikey]

Hill through three games. 2 for 25. bleh!

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

And Hairston also had a decent game, 9 points in 15 minutes.

[Buddy Holly]

People are overstating Hill's ballhandling and passing. There's a vested interest in talking him into a good player.

Overstating? He's doing well. 2 turnovers in 30 minutes of play today shows his ball handling and passing are good for a point.

In the three games so far he has played 95 minutes and has only 9 turnovers. Compared to OJ Mayo who in his first three games played 93 minutes and had 18 turnovers and only 4 assists.

He's just raw and not used to running the point. As he gets more comfortable and begins to play with better talent that will greatly help Hill progression.

[Obstructed_View]

"Maheeeny and Jist"

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Overstating? He's doing well. 2 turnovers in 30 minutes of play today shows his ball handling and passing are good for a point.

He's just raw and not used to running the point. As he gets more comfortable and begins to play with better talent that will greatly help Hill progression.

:tu

[Mr. Body]

Overstating? He's doing well. 2 turnovers in 30 minutes of play today shows his ball handling and passing are good for a point.

He's just raw and not used to running the point. As he gets more comfortable and begins to play with better talent that will greatly help Hill progression.

He's decent, is all. People are saying he's much better than decent. Watch his kick-out passes. Rarely are they close to where the player' would want the pass. Too often the player has to shift position in order to collect the pass to shoot. He looks like trouble with passes into the post, too.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

"Maheeeny and Jist"

:lol

[Obstructed_View]

Players like Hill, who have good physical tools, are undersized SGs, could possibly become points, are a dime a dozen in this league. You have to realize the team reached to get him. No big loss if another team nabs him later if you're sitting with a more productive player.

Seriously, you need to give this a fucking rest. He's been the primary ball handler and playmaker for a team loaded with inexperienced guys playing against teams taht have a lot of everyday NBA players. First of all, they're 2-1. In addition, in case you can't do the math, they've played three games. You have a vested interest in seeing him fail because you've attached yourself to a position way too early, which is stupid. Unless you are advocating that the Spurs just cut him from the SL team now and admit defeat, then shut up, because we all know your position on it; you aren't adding anything new to the conversation.

[coopdogg3]

Who just passed the ball to Powell? THat was a good setup.

[coopdogg3]

Ahhh, it was Mahinmi, well done.

[Buddy Holly]

He's decent, is all. People are saying he's much better than decent. Watch his kick-out passes. Rarely are they close to where the player' would want the pass. Too often the player has to shift position in order to collect the pass to shoot. He looks like trouble with passes into the post, too.

As has been stated numerous times. This is a new role for him. He's having to become a point guard so it's going to be a trail by error process for him.

Re-side the post you quoted as I added some information.

[Buddy Holly]

Overstating? He's doing well. 2 turnovers in 30 minutes of play today shows his ball handling and passing are good for a point.

In the three games so far he has played 95 minutes and has only 9 turnovers. Compared to OJ Mayo who in his first three games played 93 minutes and had 18 turnovers and only 4 assists.

He's just raw and not used to running the point. As he gets more comfortable and begins to play with better talent that will greatly help Hill progression.

To add to this. Bayless in just two games so far and in only 68 minutes has 8 turnovers and only 2 assists.

[Obstructed_View]

Mahinmi went hard to the hole. I hope he develops that. With a little mean he can be a dangerous NBA player.

[oligarchy]

Seriously, you need to give this a fucking rest. He's been the primary ball handler and playmaker for a team loaded with inexperienced guys playing against teams taht have a lot of everyday NBA players. First of all, they're 2-1. In addition, in case you can't do the math, they've played three games. You have a vested interest in seeing him fail because you've attached yourself to a position way too early, which is stupid. Unless you are advocating that the Spurs just cut him from the SL team now and admit defeat, then shut up, because we all know your position on it; you aren't adding anything new to the conversation.

:tu

[coopdogg3]

Wow, the sky-hook from Mahinmi. Nice.

[coopdogg3]

Well, I hope Balkman is OK.

[coopdogg3]

Ha Ha, nice dunk with the offensive board. Mahinmi is showing some hustle.

[koopa]

hill just needs more experience playing with the big boys, and the summer league is the big boys compared to the summit league, he may not be knocking down shots but he's rebounding well, he doesn't turn it over a lot as some one said already, and he gets to the free throw line, he'll get better, even the coaches said before the summer league started that hill might not come out and do that great but he has the rest of the summer and training camp to get better, wait till he's playing with a steady team of tim, manu, bowen, and tony

gist has been doing great from the 2 games that i saw and the box score of today, i think he's a lock to make the team, not sure if he'll be in the rotation but he's proven he's gonna be a good player

whatever hairston gives us is gravy, we got a 2nd round pick and cash out of him, i'm not expecting big things from him at all

[Mr. Body]

Seriously, you need to give this a fucking rest. He's been the primary ball handler and playmaker for a team loaded with inexperienced guys playing against teams taht have a lot of everyday NBA players. First of all, they're 2-1. In addition, in case you can't do the math, they've played three games. You have a vested interest in seeing him fail because you've attached yourself to a position way too early, which is stupid. Unless you are advocating that the Spurs just cut him from the SL team now and admit defeat, then shut up, because we all know your position on it; you aren't adding anything new to the conversation.

I'm stating a position, no need to get upset. I've said repeatedly that I like him, but simply that he wasn't worth the draft pick at that point. This could be a grievous error. I'm sur ehe will be serviceable in some capacity. His rebounding and defense are good, and he's a decent enough ball-handler. Good enough a point to stretch for? Not on your life.

Again, there are those with a need to talk up the Spurs' offseason moves in a desperate attempt to make the nonexistent something like stardom. There are others, like me, who see a different story.

[coopdogg3]

Hill and Gist also got their turnovers under control from last night. Another good sign for the both of them.

[jcrod]

Tolliver is only listed as 6'8. I wonder if he's big enough to play the 4, he's seems to slow for the 3.

[Obstructed_View]

Ha Ha, nice dunk with the offensive board. Mahinmi is showing some hustle.

I thought that was someone else. Who's number 35? I have a feeling that isn't Maric. :)

[Buddy Holly]

Tolliver is only listed as 6'8. I wonder if he's big enough to play the 4, he's seems to slow for the 3.

Malik Rose at a towering 6'6 plays the 4. Charles Barkley at 6'5 played the 4. In the NBA, sometimes it's not how big you are but how big you play.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Hill will be fine. Look at Nate Robinson dude is already in teh NBA and has 2 years under his belt and he is sucking ass.

[Chen]

hey guys, at least Hill guards N.Robinson decently and has shown a better performance on ball handling.

[2centsworth]

Ian has a nose for the ball and has good touch. He's not much of a defender at this point, but he has a much better offensive game than I realized.

Gist is hustle and has a nice jumper. I like this Kid and want to see what he does in preseason.

Hill unfortunately has a ways to go. I'm pulling for him, but gotta say I'm disappointed in his lumbering style.

[tav1]

I just finished the delayed feed. I like what I see from Mahinmi and Gist. 15 minutes of pt says the Hairston ship has sailed. And, despite my not wanting to overreact and remain optimistic, 2-25 is worrisome for Hill. No question, he's 3rd on the depth chart right now and needs minutes at the point in Austin.

[jcrod]

Malik Rose at a towering 6'6 plays the 4. Charles Barkley at 6'5 played the 4. In the NBA, sometimes it's not how big you are but how big you play.


True, but I don't think he's that talented, yet. He's a rookie, so it wouldn't hurt to see what he can do in the preseason.

[Obstructed_View]

I'm stating a position, no need to get upset. I've said repeatedly that I like him, but simply that he wasn't worth the draft pick at that point. This could be a grievous error. I'm sur ehe will be serviceable in some capacity. His rebounding and defense are good, and he's a decent enough ball-handler. Good enough a point to stretch for? Not on your life.

Again, there are those with a need to talk up the Spurs' offseason moves in a desperate attempt to make the nonexistent something like stardom. There are others, like me, who see a different story.

I clearly agree that the Spurs reached for him for whatever reason, and that he's certainly not inspiring any confidence by some of his stats, but he's a guy who knows how to score who's being asked to work on facilitating, which is not his strength. You should be really impressed that he's struggling the way he has but is still doing what he's clearly been instructed to do. He's been the best player on every team he's ever been on to this point, so you know damn well that he could go out there and take 25 shots in a game without any problem, but he's not doing it. If you don't think that's by design, with Pop sitting six rows up watching him, then you don't know Pop very well.

The point is, whether or not he's worth the draft pick absolutely cannot even be guessed at right now, because he's doing something he's relatively bad at and is sticking to it just so he can learn the position. We all know you are down on him because he's not jacking up shots. We get it. You don't need to re-state it every half a page. If he sucks, we'll find out soon enough. You're on record as having said it before many of us, if that's what you want, so like I said, give it a rest.

[Buddy Holly]

The thing with Ian is, his game looks almost sloppy at times but then you look at the stat sheet and he's filled it up with near double doubles.

Gist IS the real thing. His first game wasn't a fluke, his second game wasn't luck and his third game just shows what type of player he is.