Sources: Posey agrees to four-year deal with Hornets

[montgod]

Sources: Posey agrees to four-year deal with Hornets
By Marc Stein
ESPN.com

LAS VEGAS -- The reigning NBA champions are about to lose their glue guy.

NBA front-office sources told ESPN.com on Wednesday that James Posey has agreed to a four-year deal with the New Orleans Hornets worth an estimated $25 million.

Because of luxury-tax concerns, Boston was reluctant to offer Posey, 31, more than a two-year deal in spite of his considerable contributions to the Celtics' first championship since 1986.

[montgod]

Dangit!... I really was hoping that NO wasn't the team that would get his services.

[rAm]

oh dear god

[VaSpursFan]

good move by NO

[ShoogarBear]

Wow.

And so much for a Boston repeat.

[InRareForm]

Julian Wright is pissed.

[hater]

Great!

I am happy he did not stay with Celtics and did not go to Lakers

[ShoogarBear]

Thread with "Sons" in the title in 3 . . . 2. . . 1 . . .

[midgetonadonkey]

Fuck the Hornets.

[urunobili]

Julian Wright will be a happy camper... nice move :tu

[rAm]

Can our division get any better?

[ducks]

wright has talent
posey is good
but he is older then wright

[Ibleedslvrnblk]

When can I start putting money on the Hornets as 2009 champs? That team just got better and they were scary before......

Spurs sit idle.....Losing ground....Not improving....

Im usually all positive but as each day passes I get negative....

[SenorSpur]

Wow!

Celtics shouldn't screwed around

[endrity]

NO suddenly got really really scary for everyone in the division, if they weren't already.

And I think Boston will miss him more than people are thinking. The Big Three isn't getting any younger, there were signs of them getting tired a bit in the Finals already. And I don't know who is going to fill the void that Posey left for them, a big 2-3 who can hit the outside shot and play in your face D.

[Kobe™]

W/e

Lakers still better then the whore nets.
poseys overrated anyways

[MoSpur]

Great move for NO. They were already a very good team. Posey just makes them better. I hope S.A avoids them in the playoffs. The Spurs didn't have anyone for David West and Chris Paul is a machine.

[honestfool84]

sons..

[xtremesteven33]

Sons

[Solid D]

This is bad news for the Spurs and, excepting unforeseen injuries, this should help carry New Orleans to the next level.

[Brutalis]

Wow look at the echo in the thread from when the Lakers signed Malone and Payton.

[xtremesteven33]

Overrated dum dum dum dum dum Overrated dum dum dum dum dum

[baseline bum]

How the hell did the Celtics let this guy walk? No way they win game 4 without him. New Orleans looks like the team to beat in the West.

[FromWayDowntown]

I just saw the sky falling out my window. Literally.

It's a very good move by the Hornets.

[BacktoBasics]

I don't see how you can call a top three perimeter defender overrated. Not to mention he has range so he's not an offensive liability. This is exactly what NO needed. Solid defensive minded vet leadership with range.

[rAm]

W/e

Lakers still better then the whore nets.
poseys overrated anyways


Lakers would have lost to the Hornets IMO

[Tigole Bitties]

I am NOT looking forward to the lame white and teal mouthpieces.

[xtremesteven33]

I don't see how you can call a top three perimeter defender overrated. Not to mention he has range so he's not an offensive liability. This is exactly what NO needed. Solid defensive minded vet leadership with range.


i dont see posey "lifting" the hornets to a championship or even the Finals.

[JamStone]

Julian Wright is pissed.

Not really. Posey will probably play more 2-guard now, taking away more minutes from Mo Pete than Julian Wright. Julian is a combo forward. He'll probably get some more back-up power forward minutes too.

Julian Wright should be fine.

Bonzi Wells is the one that needs to find a new job.

[BacktoBasics]

i dont see posey "lifting" the hornets to a championship or even the Finals.I certainly don't think it puts them completely over the top but it does address some issue for them and also adds some leadership and experience of which they had none. Its a good addition and if their core can return healthy I consider them contenders and I do think they'll be better than last year.

[jack sommerset]

Call me crazy but I think the Hornets will not be as strong next year. Give me more than a year of success and Posey to convince me. I' honestly feel they were over achievers, They of all the teams in the West benifitted from the West late season trades. Great seed and a first round match up with the Mavericks who changed ther QB. Then they lost game 7 at home. Not sold on the Hornets. Celtics are the team to beat.

[vander]

well, at least peja is getting up there in years and west will never have a year as good as last year, hopefully that will be enough to keep them being too much better next year

[xtremesteven33]

I certainly don't think it puts them completely over the top but it does address some issue for them and also adds some leadership and experience of which they had none. Its a good addition and if their core can return healthy I consider them contenders and I do think they'll be better than last year.


i agree they will still be good next year but i honestly wouldve been more worried if he had landed with the Lakers. i think hes a great team defender but probably overrated as an individual defender.

[timvp]

The Celtics lost their one clutch player. I think this is a massive loss for them. I highly doubt they can win a championship without him unless they find a similar type player. He was the enforcer and kept their big three from being soft.

The Hornets are better but I still think they had the perfect storm last year regarding health. The chances of Chandler, Peja and West being healthy at the same time aren't that great. Throw in Paul who is a little bit injury prone and they are going to need the stars to align right once again to have four injury prone players be healthy at the same time. But if those stars align, having Posey is going to make them a lot better, no doubt.

[manufor3]

good signing for new orleans

[SenorSpur]

The Celtics lost their one clutch player. I think this is a massive loss for them. I highly doubt they can win a championship without him unless they find a similar type player. He was the enforcer and kept their big three from being soft.


Totally agree. This is a huge loss for them. THey should never have let him walk.

Maybe the C's would be interested in signing Horry. :lol

[xtremesteven33]

agreed. i think the Celtics really lost out on a great team player who knows his role and excells in it. Posey is kinda like Horry when by himself he is not a great talent but surround him with great players and he will take alot of the pressure off of them by making clutch plays in crunch time. although i dont see him making that same kind of impact in New Orleans. people can critisize Boston for not making a bigger run at him but at the same time,Posey has just thrown himself in the Lions Den that is the Western Conference where it is MUCH more harder to come out.

[jack sommerset]

The Celtics lost their one clutch player. I think this is a massive loss for them. I highly doubt they can win a championship without him unless they find a similar type player. He was the enforcer and kept their big three from being soft.

Guys its POSEY. Freaken POSEY. Please don't forget Garnett, Pierce and Allen. It was there first year together and they won the whole thing. The 4th best player on that team is Rhondo. He is pretty freaken good and lets not forget Perkins, he had a break out year playing with 3 future hall of famers and not one of the 3 name is FREAKEN POSEY!!!!!!!!!!!1

[MoSpur]

Calling Posey overrated is pretty lame.

[xtremesteven33]

Calling Posey overrated is pretty lame.



overrated in the sense that hes a franchise changing player that will get you a championship.

which everyone has him as.

[nil.ball]

damn, hornets is getting better.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Fuck!

[xtremesteven33]

Out goes Bonzi, in comes Posey= still not enough to beat the Lakers and Spurs.


i cant believe im saying this but i actually agree with this laker fan.

history has proven recently with the last 10 years that a dominant big man gets you championships. (Duncan and Shaq)

rarely does a team with no dominant big man go all the way and win it all

Hornets have a great PG but no dominant big man and make it hard to believe they can come out of the toughest conference in the history of the NBA.

[jack sommerset]

overrated in the sense that hes a franchise changing player that will get you a championship.

which everyone has him as.

Yea what he said ^^^^^^^

[beachwood]

Of all the moves made by any team this summer, this is the one I fear the most for some reason. And it pisses me off the Spurs didn't/couldn't do anything about it.

[G-Nob]

Daughters

[024]

4 years, at about 6 million each is a crazy contract that very little teams will want to match for posey.

new orleans will be a better team. chris paul and david west will get better, peja and chandler will remain about the same. however, new orleans was desperate for an experienced championship player. so desperate that they will commit posey, a very average player during the regular season, to four years. posey took advantage of that and i doubt any other contender would have matched it.

[DPG21920]

Were the Hornets over the cap? This deal is worth more than the MLE is it not?

[xtremesteven33]

Were the Hornets over the cap? This deal is worth more than the MLE is it not?


around 6 MIL a year

[DPG21920]

Well the MLE is not quite 6M. The contract is for 4 years 25M. 6M * 4 = 24M. Maybe it includes 8% raises?

[Critter]

How the hell did the Celtics let this guy walk? No way they win game 4 without him. New Orleans looks like the team to beat in the West.

someone forgot that a guy named Andrew Bynum is coming to help the Lakers

bynum coming back>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posey signing with hornets

and lakers were already wc champs :lol

[xtremesteven33]

Well the MLE is not quite 6M. The contract is for 4 years 25M. 6M * 4 = 24M. Maybe it includes 8% raises?


i know the MLE is 5.8 MIL.

but hes gotta be making around 6 MIL a year to equal 24 MIL for 4 years

[DPG21920]

i know the MLE is 5.8 MIL.

but hes gotta be making around 6 MIL a year to equal 24 MIL for 4 years

Exactly, and if the contract is indeed 25M for 4 years, then that must mean it includes the allowable 8% raises, or they were not over the cap by just a little more than the MLE.

[Lake_show]

Someone please tell me how a bench player suddenly makes NO the favorites when the Lakers have Bynum coming back.

[weebo]

Someone please tell me how a bench player suddenly makes NO the favorites when the Lakers have Bynum coming back.

Bynum is overrated.

[clubalien]

Guys its POSEY. Freaken POSEY. Please don't forget Garnett, Pierce and Allen. It was there first year together and they won the whole thing. The 4th best player on that team is Rhondo. He is pretty freaken good and lets not forget Perkins, he had a break out year playing with 3 future hall of famers and not one of the 3 name is FREAKEN POSEY!!!!!!!!!!!1

champion ship rings for posey vs kevin G

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Great!

I am happy he did not stay with Celtics and did not go to Lakers

You're happy about our toughest opposition adding a great defender?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Someone please tell me how a bench player suddenly makes NO the favorites when the Lakers have Bynum coming back.

Posey isn't coming back from season-ending surgery that could possibly linger.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

i cant believe im saying this but i actually agree with this laker fan.

history has proven recently with the last 10 years that a dominant big man gets you championships. (Duncan and Shaq)

rarely does a team with no dominant big man go all the way and win it all

Hornets have a great PG but no dominant big man and make it hard to believe they can come out of the toughest conference in the history of the NBA.

New Orleans just went from having no one to check Ginobili or Kobe to having arguably the best perimeter defender not named Bruce Bowen to do so.

This shouldn't be a hard concept for you to understand.

[jack sommerset]

champion ship rings for posey vs kevin G

Posey vs Garnett. No he did not say that.:blah

[ThunderStix®]

Wow.

[IMG]http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p323/ThunderStix_2008/Hornets09Champs.jpg

:lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

i know the MLE is 5.8 MIL.

but hes gotta be making around 6 MIL a year to equal 24 MIL for 4 years

8% of the first year salary as a raise each year.

(464K in this case... 5.8 * .8)

5.8 million
6.264 million
6.728 million
7.192 million
------------
25.98 million

[timaios]

i cant believe im saying this but i actually agree with this laker fan.

history has proven recently with the last 10 years that a dominant big man gets you championships. (Duncan and Shaq)

rarely does a team with no dominant big man go all the way and win it all

Hornets have a great PG but no dominant big man and make it hard to believe they can come out of the toughest conference in the history of the NBA.

2008 Celtics.
And before : Jordan Bulls.

[ThunderStix®]

2008 Celtics.
And before : Jordan Bulls.

KG is a dominant big man.













;) :lol

[Obstructed_View]

The Spurs won 4 out of 5 from the Hornets. I don't see how Posey makes them that much better, unless Timmy gets sick again and the Spurs spot them two games again.

[Obstructed_View]

Rasheed is a dominant big man.













;) :lol

[lrrr]

Sure, maybe Posey wasn't one of the Celtic's 'stars' he was probably the 5th most important player, but in the parity of today's NBA, loosing such a player for nothing can be the difference between championship and 2nd round exit. Remember 2005? Horry was what, the 5th most important Spur? But no way SA wins without his contributions.

Let's put it this way. Since Horry was totally useless against the Mavs in 06, say SA had Posey in that series. Do the Spurs win that series? The championship?

I just hope the Spurs find a matchup for West. He was the killer, not CP.

[ThunderStix®]

^ Yeah, Rasheed was horrible in 08 the ECF. :lol

[brettn]

Wow.

[IMG]http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p323/ThunderStix_2008/Hornets09Champs.jpg

:lol

About sums it up.

And if you don't think this makes NO that much better, I'm sorry, you're wrong. Posey was that vital piece of veteran leadership and defense that the Hornets lacked against us last season. Not to mention this just gives us even more matchup problems on the defensive of end when we face the Hornets. I'm sure I'm going overboard crowning them champs, but they just got ALOTTTTTT better.

[MannyIsGod]

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK


fuckity fuck.


Worst news of the offseason by far.


Fuck.

[MannyIsGod]

About sums it up.

And if you don't think this makes NO that much better, I'm sorry, you're wrong. Posey was that vital piece of veteran leadership and defense that the Hornets lacked against us last season. Not to mention this just gives us even more matchup problems on the defensive of end when we face the Hornets. I'm sure I'm going overboard crowning them champs, but they just got ALOTTTTTT better.

They were less than one game from the WCF with a scrub like Bonzi fucking Wells playing meaningful minutes for them. Remove Bonzi - insert Posey, the Spurs don't make it past them and they probably beat the Lakers and Celtics too. It sucks how much better it makes them :(

[Obstructed_View]

^ Yeah, Rasheed was horrible in the ECF. :lol

You mean the ECF that they lost, right?

[ThunderStix®]

About sums it up.

And if you don't think this makes NO that much better, I'm sorry, you're wrong. Posey was that vital piece of veteran leadership and defense that the Hornets lacked against us last season. Not to mention this just gives us even more matchup problems on the defensive of end when we face the Hornets. I'm sure I'm going overboard crowning them champs, but they just got ALOTTTTTT better.

Oh i agree, it's a great signing.

I was just posting what almost everyone viewing this thread was thinking. :lol

[Obstructed_View]

They were less than one game from the WCF with a scrub like Bonzi fucking Wells playing meaningful minutes for them. Remove Bonzi - insert Posey, the Spurs don't make it past them and they probably beat the Lakers and Celtics too. It sucks how much better it makes them :(

Make sure to get Timmy to eat that bad Jambalaya again and be sick for two games.

[ThunderStix®]

You mean the ECF that they lost, right?

Well... Rasheed was probably the reason the Pistons lost game six.

[TheMadHatter]

LOTS of overrating of Posey here. He is a GREAT team defender, but his individual defense is not on Bowen's level.

A great pickup for NOH, but it isn't the kind of move that puts them over the top necessarily. I would be more scared if NOH landed Maggette as he is the kind of player that WOULD put them over the top.

[mrspurs]

there goes bonzi's minutes...or maybe bonzi just goes...

[Anti.Hero]

wow, hornets make WCF no doubt.

[1Parker1]

This is bad news for the Spurs and, excepting unforeseen injuries, this should help carry New Orleans to the next level.


:pctoss Exactly what I was thinking. Posey is exactly the missing piece the Hornets needed to take them to that next level. He gives them veteran leadership, championship experience, a solid defender and 3 point shooter instantly off the bench. Replace him with Bonzi Wells, who proved to be the weak link last postseason against the Spurs, and the Hornets just got really good :pctoss

Though a 4 year deal seems a little unreasonable. Isn't Posey 32?

[MarHill]

:pctoss Exactly what I was thinking. Posey is exactly the missing piece the Hornets needed to take them to that next level. He gives them veteran leadership, championship experience, a solid defender and 3 point shooter instantly off the bench. Replace him with Bonzi Wells, who proved to be the weak link last postseason against the Spurs, and the Hornets just got really good :pctoss

Though a 4 year deal seems a little unreasonable. Isn't Posey 32?


I agree with that!


Our division just got a little more interesting.....

[DPG21920]

:pctoss Exactly what I was thinking. Posey is exactly the missing piece the Hornets needed to take them to that next level. He gives them veteran leadership, championship experience, a solid defender and 3 point shooter instantly off the bench. Replace him with Bonzi Wells, who proved to be the weak link last postseason against the Spurs, and the Hornets just got really good :pctoss

Though a 4 year deal seems a little unreasonable. Isn't Posey 32?

Isn't Bowen 37

[Spurtacus]

No doubt the Hornets will be better next season (excluding any major injury).

[mystargtr34]

They seriously overpaid, but no doubt it makes them better, but hypothetically if everyone is healthy on their respective clubs, the Lakers and Spurs are better.

[bostonguy]

Wow fuck the CELTICS FO. They werent willing to give him a 4th year which caused him to fucking walk. Fuck you Ainge and everyone else in that FO. You were willing to gamble with trades last summer but you werent willing to give posey 1 more fucking year AFTER winning the championship? So much for having a great shot at repeating. Celts played with fire and got burned. Fucking morons.

[ElNono]

Like the West wasn't tough enough as it was... sigh
Good addition for NO. Shows they're serious about going for the title. Sucks they're on our division.

[Booharv]

I don't see how you can call a top three perimeter defender overrated. Not to mention he has range so he's not an offensive liability. This is exactly what NO needed. Solid defensive minded vet leadership with range.

In what galaxy is Posey a top three perimeter defender?

[ElNono]

In what galaxy is Posey a top three perimeter defender?

I can only count Bowen and Artest being better perimeter defenders. Posey is right there after them. And since winning the last two championships, he seems even more poised to keep it going. He was arguably the best reserve in Boston the last season.

[T Park]

Im amazed that people think that Tyson Chandler and Peja are shoe ins to be healthy all season again like last year.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I'm amazed that we're at the point where Spurs fans are having to hope injuries decimate teams that have made moves to get better while we draft George Hill and give Pop and RC a raise.

[ElNono]

Im amazed that people think that Tyson Chandler and Peja are shoe ins to be healthy all season again like last year.

I just think that if your planning and chances are based on other team's injuries, then you're setting yourself to fail. So we absolutely need to analyze this on the case where they have their full roster all season long...

[mavsfan1000]

Hornets are guaranteed champions now. Who does San Antonio have to stop Posey? ;)

[ThunderStix®]

I'm amazed that we're at the point where Spurs fans are having to hope injuries decimate teams that have made moves to get better while we draft George Hill and give Pop and RC a raise.

:lol

[ElNono]

Hornets are guaranteed champions now. Who does San Antonio have to stop Posey? ;)

Actually they look a whole lot better than Dallas right now. But hey, at least you guys can throw 'MLE' Diop at him. :lol

[T Park]

I'm amazed that we're at the point where Spurs fans are having to hope injuries decimate teams that have made moves to get better while we draft George Hill and give Pop and RC a raise.

I'm NOT amazed what I said went over your head and you turned it into a bash pop post.


What I meant, last year the Hornets guys in Chandler and Peja were shockingly healthy ALL YEAR.
All I'm saying, that luck is gonna run out. They are perennially injured players whos history shows that they aren't reliable to play 82 games a year.

Thats all.

[spursjustice]

A very good pickup by NO. Good things happened in the finals for the Cs when he was on the court. 4 year contract, a little too long? Isn't Posey 30+ years old?

[Spurtacus]

Hornets are guaranteed champions now. Who does San Antonio have to stop Posey? ;)

Posey stopper.

http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/militia-fail.jpg

[ShoogarBear]

Guys its POSEY. Freaken POSEY. Please don't forget Garnett, Pierce and Allen. It was there first year together and they won the whole thing. The 4th best player on that team is Rhondo. He is pretty freaken good and lets not forget Perkins, he had a break out year playing with 3 future hall of famers and not one of the 3 name is FREAKEN POSEY!!!!!!!!!!!1

Without FREAKEN POSEY!!!!!!!!!!!1 . . . they lose to the Cavs in the ECSF.

[Sway]

Wow...real good signing for NO!

[oligarchy]

Without FREAKEN POSEY!!!!!!!!!!!1 . . . they lose to the Cavs in the ECSF.

I thought it was PJ Brown that helped them get past the Cavs.

[TheMadHatter]

Looks like they will lose PJ Brown, House, and Posey this off-season. That's pretty much their entire bench right there. Regardless of how good the starting 5 is, they aren't getting anywhere without a good bench.

Anyways good and bad news. Celtics get weaker, Hornets get stronger.

[rj215]

I thought it was PJ Brown that helped them get past the Cavs.

Best Perimeter Defenders:

1a. Kobe
1b. Bowen
3. Prince
4. Artest
5. Posey
6. Battier
7. Igoudala
8. Raja Bell
9. Rondo
10. Billups

Posey, Pierce and Allen took turns contesting LBJ's jumpshot and crowding him when he got to the paint. It's a shame for Cleveland that he doesn't have any help. Posey is a Cleveland guy and would've helped them.

[turiaf for president]

i dont think its a great signing for the hornets. the hornets need a back up big man to play behind west and chandler. ideally an anderson varejao or ronny turiaf would have been better for them.

if they kept bonzi, they would have a sg sf combo of bonzi and peterson at the 2 and peja and wright at the 3. wright was coming into his own and would have been ready to contribute this year. posey held out for a 4 year deal and got his money. good on him but in that 4th year, the hornets will be paying posey over 7 mil when he is 35 years old.

only players in recent history that have been productive sf's past 32 is bruce bowen and mario elie. their level of play didnt go down as they got older. some examples of older players who got more money because of their good playoff play at the sf position was byron russell, rick fox, and dan majerle. all three were posey type players. defensive minded players who had 3 point range. all three either retired or was ineffective after they turned 32. i think posey will be decent next year but he will start to declined after that.

i want to see the hornets do what they did last year again. for some reason i dont see them winning the division this year. if the spurs can resign thomas or get a big body, i think they will finish 1st in the division.

[turiaf for president]

Best Perimeter Defenders:

1a. Kobe
1b. Bowen
3. Prince
4. Artest
5. Posey
6. Battier
7. Igoudala
8. Raja Bell
9. Rondo
10. Billups

Posey, Pierce and Allen took turns contesting LBJ's jumpshot and crowding him when he got to the paint. It's a shame for Cleveland that he doesn't have any help. Posey is a Cleveland guy and would've helped them.

agreed but i would have bowen battier kobe artest and prince as my top 5 in that order

[resistanze]

Best Perimeter Defenders:

1a. Kobe
1b. Bowen
3. Prince
4. Artest
5. Posey
6. Battier
7. Igoudala
8. Raja Bell
9. Rondo
10. Billups

LOL.

[TheMadHatter]

I've said this before but it's worth repeating. Posey is not a top 5 perimeter defender.

He is one of the better team defenders and hustle players, but put him on an island with a top 5 SG and he's not going to stop most of them without fouling.

Guys like Battie, Bowen, Artest, and Kobe are better IMHO. This is a good signing for the Hornets but their real need is a backup C behind Chandler. When he goes out their production dips big time.

[Marcus Bryant]

Nice addition from a basketball perspective, but 4 years? We'll see how good that looks next summer when there's 3 years and $20 mil left on his contract, considering the other contracts they're carrying.

[Booharv]

I can only count Bowen and Artest being better perimeter defenders. Posey is right there after them. And since winning the last two championships, he seems even more poised to keep it going. He was arguably the best reserve in Boston the last season.

I'm not then only one who thinks he's not a top 3 defender.

"It's true that Posey brings three things to the table: defense, rebounding and 3-point shooting. He's not an all-defense guy, but he's an above-average defender who can play multiple positions, and that's certainly helpful."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=Posey_Hornets-080716

He's right, because not one NBA coach thinks he is either. I mean he didn't he didn't even get one vote for the All Defensive team. Not one.

http://www.nba.com/news/defensive_team_080512.html

Not only that but he didn't get one in 2007...

http://www.nba.com/news/alldefensive_070430.html

...or 2006 either.

http://www.nba.com/pistons/news/0506alldteam_060511.html

In fact to my knowledge, he's never even gotten even one All Defense vote in his entire career.

[Booharv]

Oh and he was a starter in 2006, before you point out that backups don't get votes.

[your_pimp]

The hornets will kick your sorry asses next season...

But wait you got Hill, Gist, and Mason LOL

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I'm NOT amazed what I said went over your head and you turned it into a bash pop post.


What I meant, last year the Hornets guys in Chandler and Peja were shockingly healthy ALL YEAR.
All I'm saying, that luck is gonna run out. They are perennially injured players whos history shows that they aren't reliable to play 82 games a year.

Thats all.

Forget the Pop bashing, I'm just pissed about us passing on Donte as far as that goes.

What you said didn't go over my head. Like I said, it's fucking sad that as Spurs fans it's apparently at the point of hoping that one or more players on an opposing team get hurt prior to the playoffs for us to feel good about our chances.

Not exactly a great way to close out the TD era: "damn, hope a couple of Hornets are hurt so we can make it to the Finals."

Lame.

[picnroll]

Forget the Pop bashing, I'm just pissed about us passing on Donte as far as that goes.
.

The future Hall of Famer went 4-17 against the Cavs tonight.

[ducks]

posey can not stop a healthy manu

[ElNono]

I'm not then only one who thinks he's not a top 3 defender.

"It's true that Posey brings three things to the table: defense, rebounding and 3-point shooting. He's not an all-defense guy, but he's an above-average defender who can play multiple positions, and that's certainly helpful."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=Posey_Hornets-080716

He's right, because not one NBA coach thinks he is either. I mean he didn't he didn't even get one vote for the All Defensive team. Not one.

http://www.nba.com/news/defensive_team_080512.html

Not only that but he didn't get one in 2007...

http://www.nba.com/news/alldefensive_070430.html

...or 2006 either.

http://www.nba.com/pistons/news/0506alldteam_060511.html

In fact to my knowledge, he's never even gotten even one All Defense vote in his entire career.

I'll put Shane Battier above him if it makes you happy. Kobe can also be a heck of a defender when he wants to be. Posey is undeniably an excellent perimeter defender. Votes don't mean crap. I mean, Bowen never received DPOY? How about Nash having more MVPs than Kobe and as many as Duncan?
Maybe Posey accepted and grew in his new role as a defensive player when he went to Miami. Who knows? A lot of vets change their games to survive in this league. His contribution as a solid defender and 3 pt shooter the last two seasons are undeniable. Defensibly I would say he's at a Tayshawn Prince level, with Prince having the advantage in length and Posey having the advantage in savvy and hustle.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The future Hall of Famer went 4-17 against the Cavs tonight.

:lol Never said he'd be in the Hall, but he can score from the SF spot, that's for sure.

Still a better shooting night than Hill's had so far ;)

[ducks]

psoey looked clutch because ray allen and kg sucked so bad in the first few rounds
kg sucks so bad that anyone looks clutch in 4 not named kg

[DPG21920]

Hill is being asked to do a lot, not just focus on one thing. Having said that, he is getting plenty of opportunities to shoot and he is not performing. His shot looks fine, he is getting open jumpers and getting to the rim, but like a typical Spur it is just not falling. It has always perplexed me: the Spurs get so many open looks and good shots and they do not go in. The shooters have nice form (Finley...) but they do not go. It is not that the Spurs have a bad offense, the offense gets the looks it is supposed to, but sometimes we can not hit the ocean.

[BRHornet45]

Thread with "Sons" in the title in 3 . . . 2. . . 1 . . .

lol son good one ... god bless

[BRHornet45]

sons!!!!!

[ElNono]

psoey looked clutch because ray allen and kg sucked so bad in the first few rounds
kg sucks so bad that anyone looks clutch in 4 not named kg

Careful there... He was voted defensive player of the year...

[SequSpur]

psoey looked clutch because ray allen and kg sucked so bad in the first few rounds
kg sucks so bad that anyone looks clutch in 4 not named kg

you're a fucking retard.

[ducks]

Careful there... He was voted defensive player of the year...

he can not stop manu

[TheProbabilityAnnex]

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[ElNono]

Hill is being asked to do a lot, not just focus on one thing. Having said that, he is getting plenty of opportunities to shoot and he is not performing. His shot looks fine, he is getting open jumpers and getting to the rim, but like a typical Spur it is just not falling. It has always perplexed me: the Spurs get so many open looks and good shots and they do not go in. The shooters have nice form (Finley...) but they do not go. It is not that the Spurs have a bad offense, the offense gets the looks it is supposed to, but sometimes we can not hit the ocean.

Refreshing apologetic post... Must be your first post where you didn't mention that Hill 'has the Tools'(tm)

[DPG21920]

Refreshing apologetic post... Must be your first post where you didn't mention that Hill 'has the Tools'(tm)

Your a "tool". Hill does have the tools and it turns out that Hairston had a nice game as well. Summer league "all-stars" do not always translate into nba all-stars. All you look for in SL is: do guys belong? Hill does. Hairston, not sure, but is on the edge. I am not apologizing. That is my take on the Spurs offense. If you would like to disagree, by all means...

[ElNono]

Your a "tool". Hill does have the tools and it turns out that Hairston had a nice game as well. Summer league "all-stars" do not always translate into nba all-stars. All you look for in SL is: do guys belong? Hill does. Hairston, not sure, but is on the edge. I am not apologizing. That is my take on the Spurs offense. If you would liuuke to disagree, by all means...

Hey, chill. I only brought it up because you use the same expression like 200x in the other threads. I didn't say he doesn't belong in the SL. What I'm doubtful is wether he can make our first team or if he needs some time with the Toros working on that PG position.

[knee-knee-3]

The hornets will kick your sorry asses next season...

But wait you got Hill, Gist, and Mason LOL

You may be right. Good luck holding off the Clips for the last playoff spot.

[fotan2]

Best Perimeter Defenders:

1a. Kobe
1b. Bowen
3. Prince
4. Artest
5. Posey
6. Battier
7. Igoudala
8. Raja Bell
9. Rondo
10. Billups

Posey, Pierce and Allen took turns contesting LBJ's jumpshot and crowding him when he got to the paint. It's a shame for Cleveland that he doesn't have any help. Posey is a Cleveland guy and would've helped them.

Rondo in top 10 ? :nope dont agree

[fotan2]

Thread with "Sons" in the title in 3 . . . 2. . . 1 . . .

i was comfused by your thread , but now i got it . hehe

[DPG21920]

Hey, chill. I only brought it up because you use the same expression like 200x in the other threads. I didn't say he doesn't belong in the SL. What I'm doubtful is wether he can make our first team or if he needs some time with the Toros working on that PG position.

I know. Its my catch phrase! I think since he already is the athlete he needs to be and has the defense, that he will probably be a Spur and see little time. The D-League would help him and I think under different circumstances yes he goes, but I do not think this is the time. We always have 3 pgs.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Fark, that's not good.

[TheMadHatter]

Posey is going to fit in great with the Hornets because they already play great defense. Chandler, CP3, West, and Posey is one hell of a good defensive core. Peja is the weak link, but the rest of the guys can make up for his short comings.

It's these kind of small moves that propel contenders into NBA champions. Don't be surprised if the Hornets are in the WCF next season.

[Ghazi]

Good pickup, but it's not an over the top move at all. Posey is just a role player who is being a tad overrated due to some moments of brilliance in the Finals. Hornets don't scare me. Find me an example of a championship team in the past built around a 6 foot point guard with a good not great PF, no shooting guard, and a center with no low post moves.

[endrity]

Good pickup, but it's not an over the top move at all. Posey is just a role player who is being a tad overrated due to some moments of brilliance in the Finals. Hornets don't scare me. Find me an example of a championship team in the past built around a 6 foot point guard with a good not great PF, no shooting guard, and a center with no low post moves.


True, there hasn't been one, but it doesn't mean that there will never be one either. The Hornets looked real good last year, and if Posey plays like he did in Boston and Miami during the playoffs in the next two years, I think the Hornets might be considered the top contender in the WCF.

[TheMadHatter]

The BEST part of this move for me is that the Celtics are now weaker. Big 3 is getting older and their role players will be comprised of young rookies. Not a winning combination.

[Ghazi]

True, I definitely see them as being a perennial good team for the next 3-4 years but nowhere near championship caliber.. a "quasi contender" if you will kinda like the Kings/Blazers/Mavs. As for their playoff run, wasn't overly impressed because the Mavs played like absolute shit with only Bass/Dirk showing up and they blew a 2-0 lead against the Spurs. I just am not overly impressed with their roster because they lack a shooting guard, West is not an elite PF compared to the likes of Dirk/Duncan/Stoudamire, Peja is their #3 option, and they don't have a reliable low post scorer. Paul deserves plenty of credit for elevating the roster, but it still isn't that good IMO.

They'll be a good team, but I don't lose any sleep over them... only team in the West that truly scares me if the Lakers IF Bynum picks up where he left off before the knee injury.

Mavs :lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:

:downspin:

[Obstructed_View]

The BEST part of this move for me is that the Celtics are now weaker. Big 3 is getting older and their role players will be comprised of young rookies. Not a winning combination.

Agreed. Lakers fans have to hope that their competition gets weaker in order to have a chance.

[XTah]

Ok This is my first post. I've been visiting this site since a week or two before the draft. Here it goes:

Quote from RJ215's post Best Perimeter Defenders:

1a. Kobe
1b. Bowen
3. Prince
4. Artest
5. Posey
6. Battier
7. Igoudala
8. Raja Bell
9. Rondo
10. Billups

Kobe Bryant = Overrated defender
What did he do defensively (except for the one steal, which was a foul and he got lucky because Pierce had beaten him) in the finals. During the Spurs series, he guarded Bruce Bowen for most of the time, great defensive assignment there :lol He's a decent to good defender, but to have him as one of the top defenders in the league, that's just wrong.

[hater]

The BEST part of this move for me is that the Celtics are now weaker. Big 3 is getting older and their role players will be comprised of young rookies. Not a winning combination.

IMO the BEST part of this move is that the Lakers did not get Posey

[lefty]

Great!

I am happy he did not stay with Celtics and did not go to Lakers

You do realize he joined a young division rival we beat in 7 games last season

[TheMadHatter]

Agreed. Lakers fans have to hope that their competition gets weaker in order to have a chance.

Well considering we made it to the Finals and beat your team 4-1 in the WCF WITHOUT our starting C I don't think we need any handouts or favors next year.

[spurman20]

If they are counting on Posey as a SG they are fooling themselves. He makes them better on D but hes not a 35mpg guy.

They will regret the signing and regret giving away the 27th pick this year. There were player at 27 that could have helped them and hurt us much more.

[Captain Obvious]

My senses tell me Posey is not Jesus. No one can save the Hornets.

[T Park]

The Celtics lost their one clutch player. I think this is a massive loss for them. I highly doubt they can win a championship without him unless they find a similar type player. He was the enforcer and kept their big three from being soft.

The Hornets are better but I still think they had the perfect storm last year regarding health. The chances of Chandler, Peja and West being healthy at the same time aren't that great. Throw in Paul who is a little bit injury prone and they are going to need the stars to align right once again to have four injury prone players be healthy at the same time. But if those stars align, having Posey is going to make them a lot better, no doubt.


Thats exactly what I've been saying!!!

THANK YOU!

[lefty]

Well considering we made it to the Finals and beat your team 4-1 in the WCF WITHOUT our starting C I don't think we need any handouts or favors next year.

Manu was like 40% of his potential because of his injury.

Not to mention that Stern sent you to the Finals anyway.

Thanks God your team was exposed in the NBA Finals.

And by the way, Bynum's career is over.

[Bruno]

Good pickup, but it's not an over the top move at all. Posey is just a role player who is being a tad overrated due to some moments of brilliance in the Finals.

Fully agree with that.

[MavDynasty]

Manu was like 40% of his potential because of his injury.

Not to mention that Stern sent you to the Finals anyway.

Thanks God your team was exposed in the NBA Finals.

And by the way, Bynum's career is over.

How? An injury doesnt neccesarily end a persons career

[TheMadHatter]

Manu was like 40% of his potential because of his injury.

Not to mention that Stern sent you to the Finals anyway.

Thanks God your team was exposed in the NBA Finals.

And by the way, Bynum's career is over.

9/11 was staged, the moon landing was faked, and the government is also hiding alien corpses in Roswell.

:lmao

[lefty]

9/11 was staged, the moon landing was faked, and the government is also hiding alien corpses in Roswell.

:lmao

You know it was Stern, but you don't want to admit it.

Kobe doesn't have the leadership to lead the Lakers to a title.

And he is not returning to the Finals anytime soon

Enjoy:toast

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

9/11 was staged, the moon landing was faked, and the government is also hiding alien corpses in Roswell.

:lmao

Just like a Lakers fan to get his facts screwed up!






The aliens were moved to Area 51 in Nevada years ago!

[Obstructed_View]

Well considering we made it to the Finals and beat your team 4-1 in the WCF WITHOUT our starting C I don't think we need any handouts or favors next year.

Wow, how proud you must be! When's the parade? :lol

Seriously, if "you" made it to the finals and beat "my" team blah blah blah what are you doing hanging around on another team's message board constantly trying to talk down all the other teams? Seems like an awfully large inferiority complex for a team that's so far superior to everyone else.

[024]

here's something you guys might not know. during this year's playoffs, posey averaged 6.7ppg, 43.7%FG, and 39.8%3PT, in 22.1 minutes of play. he played pretty well against atlanta and cleavland but struggled sometimes against detroit and the lakers. some of the games his field goals (mostly 3s) were:

0-2, 1-4, 0-2 against cleaveland.
1-4, 1-5, 1-3, 1-3, against detroit.
and 1-6, 1-3, and 1-2, against the lakers.

he has his games where he contributes a lot but he's hardly the consistent bench player NO has been looking for, maybe just one small piece to the puzzle. his defense doesn't show up on the stat sheet and he is an above average defender, but he's hardly worth the $25 million over 4 years.

Link: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3341

on a side note, udoka averaged 5.4ppg, 46.5%FG, and 40%3pt in 15.8 minutes of play. he's also an above average defender and we're paying him like what.. $1 million a year?

Link: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3501

[ShoogarBear]

Stats, shmats. I'll agree Posey may not the most consistent, but you can't compare him and Udoka in clutch situations. If you switched those two, the Spurs would probably be hoisting #5.

[TheMadHatter]

Looking at Posey's stats to compare him to other players shows a profound misunderstanding of why he is so valuable to a team.

I wish there was a clutch stat out there because Posey would be high up on that stat. Makes his free throws when they count and hits his 3's when they count. Does all the little things needed to help his team win. You put him on a contending squad and he's the kind of piece that gives them the edge.

[024]

profound misunderstanding? never said posey wasn't important, just overpaid. it's hard to find players that elevate their game during playoff time. paying attention to his clutch performances is important but ignoring the games where he disappears or shoots poorly creates a false image of him.

[Booharv]

Stats, shmats. I'll agree Posey may not the most consistent, but you can't compare him and Udoka in clutch situations. If you switched those two, the Spurs would probably be hoisting #5.

Hahaha, nice parody post.