Summer League Game 4: Spurs vs. Suns

[DespЏrado]

This is Hairston's time to shine. If he doesn't, he better get that plane ticket to Italy ready.

Shit send him packing now. I really don't think he is as bad as he appears to be, he looks like he has the tools to be very good, but it looks like he needs a few years of not making the league to light a fire under his ass.

Otherwise he's just another kid with the talent to be in the NBA but not the drive and hustle.

[Obstructed_View]

someone should photoshop Hairston on a gondola

Your title with that av makes me :lol

[Marcus Bryant]

what a disgrace to get blowen out by the Suns. :(

Notice who isn't playing...

[SPURSGOAT]

So that means people who didn't play today will be their for next summerleague ?
mahinmi , tolliver , green , hill along wih gist , maybe hairston

probably... and we won't be able to watch any of it... :depressed

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Nice Hairston putback.

[Obstructed_View]

Malik with the O board.

[Solid D]

This is Hairston's time to shine. If he doesn't, he better get that plane ticket to Italy ready.



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Nice :tu

[Obstructed_View]

Epic comeback on the Suns. Watch the shrinkage.

[tav1]

Notice who isn't playing...

Exactly. One 4th quarter DNP-CD noted as well. Sorry Hairston.

[Obstructed_View]

So seriously, how were there so many people at the Knicks game yesterday that happened to be on TV?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Hairston got lucky on that pass. :lol

[SPURSGOAT]

Notice who isn't playing...

I know.. shows how much we miss Hill and Ian.

[timvp]

Amara Sy sighting. Or Amara Syghting, if you will.

[DespЏrado]

Epic comeback on the Suns. Watch the shrinkage.

That's it pass the bong, seriously...Pass it now, cuz you have been holding out on us.

[Obstructed_View]

Dirty play by the Spur. Sign his ass up.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Amara Sy sighting. Or Amara Syghting, if you will.

:lol

[angelbelow]

gist only has 3 boards but i know forsure i saw at least 3 plays with him and another teammate go up and instead of calling it they fight for the rebound (for stats?) and fumble it to a suns player or out of bounce. and i must say, gist was in the better position so the other guy had no excuse to go for it.

[Obstructed_View]

That's it pass the bong, seriously...Pass it now, cuz you have been holding out on us.

No need to be high to have a good time. Cut to within 20. Here we go, now.

[urunobili]

4 assist total as a team is just pathetic...

[tav1]

gist only has 3 boards but i know forsure i saw at least 3 plays with him and another teammate go up and instead of calling it they fight for the rebound (for stats?) and fumble it to a suns player or out of bounce. and i must say, gist was in the better position so the other guy had no excuse to go for it.

Gist gets a lot of boards by filling the cracks while others effectively box out. He's faster and can pogo higher than others, so long as other bigs are held at bay, he snags the lose ones. He should fit nicely alongside Duncan and Thomas.

[Obstructed_View]

Extended garbaaaazhe time.

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[Mr.Bottomtooth]

4 assist total as a team is just pathetic...

What do you expect when we don't have our point guard and have skinhead as the starter?

[Obstructed_View]

Anyone else's video just take a dump?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Wtf?

[timvp]

Maybe Hill isn't the worst basketball player on the planet after all :sleep

[urunobili]

What do you expect when we don't have our point guard and have skinhead as the starter?

did you take your pill tonight? are you saying that Hill is the ONLY PG they took?

[DespЏrado]

No need to be high to have a good time. Cut to within 20. Here we go, now.

This suns team sadly has no idea they are supposed to choke that bad to us. :lol

[benefactor]

Whoa...just lost the feed and cant get it back.

[Obstructed_View]

did you take your pill tonight? are you saying that Hill is the ONLY PG they took?

I thought Hill wasn't a PG.

[timvp]

Did the video guy fall asleep or was it a mercy killing?

[benefactor]

Oh well....not like anything important was happening.

[Obstructed_View]

Whoa...just lost the feed and cant get it back.

I think the NBA just did us all a favor. Nothing worthwhile to see here. I'm gonna go read. See ya next game. :tu

[Ocotillo]

why does peanut butter and jelly time have a dancing banana?

[urunobili]

I thought Hill wasn't a PG.

so are you going to officially declare him a CG?

[DespЏrado]

4 assist total as a team is just pathetic...

Morrison aka skinhead isn't passing the ball to anyone except the rim. Not good when your point guard s doing everything he can to pad his own stats.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

did you take your pill tonight? are you saying that Hill is the ONLY PG they took?
I just said skinhead is the starter. And he sucks. Watch the game then talk smack.

[Obstructed_View]

Hey timvp if you get a chance shoot me a PM on how you got that video link. Like I said, I'm pretty sure I used to do that for SL games but it's just been a while. Thanks again for the links.

[ggoose25]

Im declaring him an OG

[SPURSGOAT]

damn oh well game over for us I guess... lol

[Obstructed_View]

so are you going to officially declare him a CG?
I doubt anything I do makes it official, and I don't see how there's much doubt that's exactly what he is, but it's pretty clear to me that Hill's much better at running the team than many of us give him credit for. When his jumper starts falling this will all be forgotten.

[ChumpDumper]

Figures. I finally work the Thomas & Mack staff to get to the floor and it's a throwaway game.

[benefactor]

Hey timvp if you get a chance shoot me a PM on how you got that video link. Like I said, I'm pretty sure I used to do that for SL games but it's just been a while. Thanks again for the links.
Yeah...Id like to know too. I was all over the web trying to figure it out the other day. Big props bro.

[Solid D]

http://www.matthewbroderick.net/image/movie/ferris/ferrisphone05.jpg

Are you still here? It's over. Go home.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

http://www.matthewbroderick.net/image/movie/ferris/ferrisphone05.jpg

Are you still here? It's over. Go home.

:huh

[urunobili]

BTW mexico is giving Argentina NT a fight they're 41-41 at halftime... Scola 20 of ARG points.... :stirpot:

[ChumpDumper]

Are you still here? It's over. Go home.I only get dialup at my hotel.

[timvp]

http://www.matthewbroderick.net/image/movie/ferris/ferrisphone05.jpg

Are you still here? It's over. Go home.:rollin

[nil.ball]

BTW mexico is giving Argentina NT a fight they're 41-41 at halftime... Scola 20 of ARG points.... :stirpot:

fuck yah! go scola

[Slinkyman]

why does peanut butter and jelly time have a dancing banana?

really? is this your first day on the internet? :lol

google peanut butter jelly time

[timvp]

Figures. I finally work the Thomas & Mack staff to get to the floor and it's a throwaway game.How did Gist look up close? Could you tell why Bud got mad at him a few times?

Oh and does Hairston look as lazy close up as he does from far away?

Thanks.

[duncan228]

http://www.matthewbroderick.net/image/movie/ferris/ferrisphone05.jpg

Are you still here? It's over. Go home.

:lmao

[ElNono]

The guy's averaging 8 points, 6.3 rebounds and 3 assists at a new position on a team that, as you can see, can't score for shit. I'm not the one with view problems, douche.

I'm not even going to go about the scoring, because he's definitely not helping it at all. His defense is BAD, against players that are nowhere near NBA level. 3 assists a game for being a point guard would be OK if he made it up with scoring. But we know how that area is working for him. Right now, he's not being a facilitator, he's not defending his guys well, and he's not shooting well either.
Lots of work ahead of this guy if he wants to make the 1st team.

[ElNono]

Seriously that argument is retarded....Jason kidd doesn't suck at the point guard position because he can't shoot the ball, Same thing with Hill who has been filling the stat sheet in other ways and on the the defensive ends. And his absence in this game is very clearly making the SL team much weaker. Hell AJ was a pretty crappy shooter for a very long time. Hill can and will find a way to contribute on the offensive end when it comes down to it. And he has a better shot mechanic than either AJ or Kidd.

His shot is off which is very different from having no shot at all,

Who's talking about scoring???? His defense plain sucks. I already have seen in two successive games how his guy back cuts, and he's not even looking. Free points for the other team. Pop wouldn't stand that for a second.
I wouldn't mind at all seeing what he has as a SG. Right now, project PG needs a whole lot amount of work. Maybe more than what we can afford right now.

[angelbelow]

I'm not even going to go about the scoring, because he's definitely not helping it at all. His defense is BAD, against players that are nowhere near NBA level. 3 assists a game for being a point guard would be OK if he made it up with scoring. But we know how that area is working for him. Right now, he's not being a facilitator, he's not defending his guys well, and he's not shooting well either.
Lots of work ahead of this guy if he wants to make the 1st team.

cant judge everything on stats. his assists are low cause we cant make shots. ive watched all 3 of his games, his defense has been at worst average, the only time he looks completely lost on D are a few pick and roll plays. are you watching these games or just going by boxscores?

[DespЏrado]

I'm not even going to go about the scoring, because he's definitely not helping it at all. His defense is BAD, against players that are nowhere near NBA level. 3 assists a game for being a point guard would be OK if he made it up with scoring. But we know how that area is working for him. Right now, he's not being a facilitator, he's not defending his guys well, and he's not shooting well either.
Lots of work ahead of this guy if he wants to make the 1st team.

3 assists is fine if no one knows where they are supposed to be. Its pretty hard to find people in good shooting position if there is relatively no offensive coordination.

He is defending very well. I don't see how you can even remotely argue that he isn't other than just not watching the games.

He dictates the offensive pace of the game. Which is all that you need to do as the Spurs point guard. Other than that he is going to be more of a spot up shooter playing off of Manu and Tim. Him missing from today's game shows just how much he contributed to getting the W than anything.

[VaSpursFan]

Who's talking about scoring???? His defense plain sucks. I already have seen in two successive games how his guy back cuts, and he's not even looking. Free points for the other team. Pop wouldn't stand that for a second.
I wouldn't mind at all seeing what he has as a SG. Right now, project PG needs a whole lot amount of work. Maybe more than what we can afford right now.

huh? hill's d is solid. what games are you watching? he did a nice job on mayo and nate robinson

[VaSpursFan]

3 assists is fine if no one knows where they are supposed to be. Its pretty hard to find people in good shooting position if there is relatively no offensive coordination.

agree...playing PG without offensive structure is a nightmare. that's why i say don't judge him until he's been through training camp and indoctrinated into the system. his offense will come around and he's already solid on d and rebounds exceptionally well for a pg. i think the kid is going to surprise once he puts it all together.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Ferris Bueller joke, Mr. Bottomtooth...

Ah.

[benefactor]

So whats up with the Utah games? Are we really not going to get to see any of them?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Boxscore is up: http://www.nba.com/summerleague2008/games/boxscore.jsp?gameId=1520800033

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Gist finishes with 13 & 3 while Hairston finished with 10 & 5.

[SPURSGOAT]

So whats up with the Utah games? Are we really not going to get to see any of them?

I guess not according to timvp; RMR games have not been streamed in the past...

[SPURSGOAT]

Gist finishes with 13 & 3 while Hairston finished with 10 & 5.


Damn hope Gist didn't hurt his chances of making the roster... Looks like Hairston might not be done just yet...

[DespЏrado]

How can Gist have hurt his chance? The Spurs made there only run of the game with Gist leading the way. And he still lead the spurs in points and showed he could hit from outside...I don't think Gist did anything to lessen the case for himself.

[VaSpursFan]

Damn hope Gist didn't hurt his chances of making the roster... Looks like Hairston might not be done just yet...

gist will be on the squad come training camp. i think he has proved himself. if he continues to play well, he may even be a rotation player if he continues to progress during the season.

[ElNono]

cant judge everything on stats. his assists are low cause we cant make shots. ive watched all 3 of his games, his defense has been at worst average, the only time he looks completely lost on D are a few pick and roll plays. are you watching these games or just going by boxscores?

I've watched all the games so far.

[ElNono]

huh? hill's d is solid. what games are you watching? he did a nice job on mayo and nate robinson

Solid? What games are YOU watching? Bad switches, wrong rotations, losing track of his guy. Maybe I'm expecting too much from him, I don't know. I thought he was going to play 15 mins or so a game on the NBA? Playing that kind of defense will earn him minutes in the Toros or Pop's doghouse, whichever is closer.

[ElNono]

3 assists is fine if no one knows where they are supposed to be. Its pretty hard to find people in good shooting position if there is relatively no offensive coordination.

He is defending very well. I don't see how you can even remotely argue that he isn't other than just not watching the games.

He dictates the offensive pace of the game. Which is all that you need to do as the Spurs point guard. Other than that he is going to be more of a spot up shooter playing off of Manu and Tim. Him missing from today's game shows just how much he contributed to getting the W than anything.

3 assists is fine if you're also not averaging 3 TOs per game. Bottom line.
I already wrote about his defense in an earlier post. Again, maybe I'm expecting too much from him. But if he's gonna play 10+ minutes/game in the NBA, he's gotta do a whole lot better defensively.

[timvp]

Solid? What games are YOU watching? Bad switches, wrong rotations, losing track of his guy. Maybe I'm expecting too much from him, I don't know. I thought he was going to play 15 mins or so a game on the NBA? Playing that kind of defense will earn him minutes in the Toros or Pop's doghouse, whichever is closer.?

Hill's defense has at worst been average. At best, he's been a lockdown defender. He can pressure the ball, isn't affect much by screens and he has a ton of deflections so far. He's also very quick at picking up the loose balls. His defense is already good enough for the NBA level and should continue to improve.

Now his offense is a different matter altogether. But he's played very solid defense.

[Solid D]

huh? hill's d is solid. what games are you watching? he did a nice job on mayo and nate robinson



Solid? What games are YOU watching? Bad switches, wrong rotations, losing track of his guy. Maybe I'm expecting too much from him, I don't know. I thought he was going to play 15 mins or so a game on the NBA? Playing that kind of defense will earn him minutes in the Toros or Pop's doghouse, whichever is closer.

All in all, I'd agree that Hill played good positional defense and excellent transition D. He has let his man get away and go back door a couple of times but in the two games I've seen Hill play, he had active hands and his help-side D was very good. He just can't shoot. Perhaps the poor defense he played was in game 2 versus New Orleans. I didn't see that one.

[El Jefe]

That's the beauty of Hill playing in the summer league. He's gets burned by a backdoor cut or two when the games don't count, so that come the regular season he's got a better understanding of what not to allow happen. It's called learning.

All in all, I'd say Hill's defense has been very promising. He looked quick enough to stay in front of Nate Robinson and OJ Mayo, he's a willing helper and comes back to the paint for rebounds. getting burned for 3 or 4 possessions in 4 games isn't bad at all for a rookie. Saying that his defense has been poor is just plain ignorant.

[fotan2]

Solid? What games are YOU watching? Bad switches, wrong rotations, losing track of his guy. Maybe I'm expecting too much from him, I don't know. I thought he was going to play 15 mins or so a game on the NBA? Playing that kind of defense will earn him minutes in the Toros or Pop's doghouse, whichever is closer.

Rondo had that problem of losing track of guy too . see how rondo plays the solid D now ? nothing can't be improved

[ChumpDumper]

How did Gist look up close? Could you tell why Bud got mad at him a few times?I think I was busy negotiating the insides of the T&M when that went down, and I was behind the stanchion opposite the Spurs. Gist looks really long and lean though. Got a pic or two of him pounding the ball on the perimeter. I'll post some while I'm waiting for my plane.


Oh and does Hairston look as lazy close up as he does from far away?He works on offense at least; some of his jumps and bursts of quickness were surprising, but didn't happen often enough to be counted upon. Seemed to be giving a little more effort on D than in previous games, but not an impressive amount.

[VaSpursFan]

Solid? What games are YOU watching? Bad switches, wrong rotations, losing track of his guy. Maybe I'm expecting too much from him, I don't know. I thought he was going to play 15 mins or so a game on the NBA? Playing that kind of defense will earn him minutes in the Toros or Pop's doghouse, whichever is closer.

how many practices with the team has he had to learn the defensive scheme? i'll help you out, more than likely 0. so how can you have the expectation that he knows all the nuances of the complex defensive scheme that we have?

you do realize that he's d'ed up mayo and basically shut down nate. and he's doing that on his instinct alone. put him in the spurs system, he's going to be an above average defender.

have you ever played organized basketball? because if you did, you'd understand that rushing to judgment over some summer league pick-up games is premature.

[BOHOLANO#21]

GIST is the next spurs big thing.

[ElNono]

how many practices with the team has he had to learn the defensive scheme? i'll help you out, more than likely 0. so how can you have the expectation that he knows all the nuances of the complex defensive scheme that we have?

you do realize that he's d'ed up mayo and basically shut down nate. and he's doing that on his instinct alone. put him in the spurs system, he's going to be an above average defender.

have you ever played organized basketball? because if you did, you'd understand that rushing to judgment over some summer league pick-up games is premature.

Again with the judging thing... I said the guy has a whole lot to work on if he is to play 15 mins/game in the NBA. And I disagree with timvp on that he's at NBA level defensively. Maybe if you compare him with AI, who also has a knack for loose balls, but we all know can't really guard anybody. Again, I did NOT give up on the guy yet, so you all can stop with the "He can get better, he can improve". That's exactly what I'm saying.

[Obstructed_View]

huh? hill's d is solid. what games are you watching? he did a nice job on mayo and nate robinson

Dude thinks a back cut is a defensive move. Just tell him how much George Hill sucks and how great he is for pointing it out.

[underdawg]

Dude thinks a back cut is a defensive move. Just tell him how much George Hill sucks and how great he is for pointing it out.

no, he was talking about the first 2 games that Hill would leave his man that was cutting on the backside to pick up the player that had just come off a screen. He adjusted in game 3 and it really wasn't a big deal. The Spurs SL team in general looked so much better in game 3 vs game 2 on their rotations - don't think that was Hill's fault in the first 2 games. Also, his one on one defense was not about loose balls - it was about preventing Nate from driving on him and he did that very well. When Hill went out of the game and Morrison came in, Nate penetrated the lane often.

[angelbelow]

well obviously the spurs like him enough to keep him out of todays game. as long as the spurs coaches and staff have confidence in him, i'll continue to have confidence in him.

[Obstructed_View]

no, he was talking about the first 2 games that Hill would leave his man that was cutting on the backside to pick up the player that had just come off a screen.

Ah. I guess I read it wrong, then.