"Horry Won't Be Back" - RC Buford

[timvp]

Said on a summer league broadcast.

Discuss.

[tempest186]

Not terribly surprising. I was surprised he came right out and said it though.

[Spurs Brazil]

Not terribly surprising. I was surprised he came right out and said it though.

Agree,

So I assume Thomas will be back and the last big spot will go to Gist or Tolliver.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't even think Houston has room for him anymore.

Who does?

Tolliver's play just became a little more noteworthy.

[JamStone]

He should have retired last summer.

If he still wants to play, he might make some sense for the New Orleans Hornets.

[djohn14]

Man I loved Horry, and he was one of my favorite players...but it was time.

[fotan2]

whatever .

i appreciate what hes done for the spurs

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

http://www.nba.com/media/act_anthony_tolliver.jpg

"See ya Rob".

[tp2021]

2005 NBA Finals Game 5 will never be forgotten by this fan. Ever.

[NZ Spurs]

Not mentioning Finley?

[Spurs Brazil]

I think Thomas is a lock to be back. If he's not Horry should be for sure

[Stump]

Thanks for everything Big Shot Bob.

[ElNono]

Expect a McDonalds article tomorrow with the news lifted from this board...

[ChumpDumper]

Now don't bring Finley back and we'll be set.

For what? I don't know, but we'll be set.

[VaSpursFan]

bye big shot, welcome tolliver!

[Pistons < Spurs]

2005 NBA Finals Game 5 will never be forgotten by this fan. Ever.

Unfortunately, I'll never forget it either.....


http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/4456/horrysporkcopyqp4.jpg

[boutons_]

It was not only the shot, but his 14 pts in 4th + OT.

[SenorSpur]

Now don't bring Finley back and we'll be set.

For what? I don't know, but we'll be set.

:lol

:toast to Big Shot Rob. The hero of Game 5 of the 2005 NBA Championship. The man who literally bailed the Spurs out and simultaneously sunk the Pistons in that epic game. The author of many of clutch shot during our championship run. It's been a great ride, Rob.

Unfortunately, all good things must come to an end. I fully appreciate his contributions. Sorry that his run didn't end in yet another title. However, time to move on. Good luck to him in his next endeavor. :king

I totally agree with ChumpDumper. Now get rid of Finley, find a replacement swingman, and decide on a good-shooting 4 man and the Spurs should be set.

Wonder what fate awaits Kurt Thomas

[knee-knee-3]

Unfortunately, I'll never forget it either.....


http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/4456/horrysporkcopyqp4.jpg

why do you call them the sporks? i'm just curious...

[tp2021]

why do you call them the sporks? i'm just curious...

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86790&highlight=spork+fans

Enjoy!:toast

[ceperez]

New depth chart:

C Oberto , Thomas(FA), Mahinmi
PF Duncan, Bonner, Tolliver
SF Bowen, Udoka, Gist (R)
SG Ginobili, Mason, Finley (FA)
PG Parker, Hill (R), Vaughn

Finley is likely to be back based on previous statements by the FO.
Not yet sure with Thomas.

[picnroll]

Now if he'll just say the same thing about Bonner. Hope this doesn't mean they think Bonner is their long ball threat at PF.

[Brutalis]

Well Bob I'll miss ya.

[ChumpDumper]

Bonner is under contract.

[tempest186]

I'd like to see
C Thomas(FA), Oberto, Mahinmi
PF Duncan, Bonner, Tolliver or FA big
SF Bowen, Udoka, Gist
SG Mason, Ginobili, Hairston
PG Parker, Hill, Vaughn

I like Manu coming off the bench and working with Oberto on the second unit.

[tav1]

New depth chart:

C Oberto , Thomas(FA), Mahinmi
PF Duncan, Bonner, Tolliver
SF Bowen, Udoka, Gist (R)
SG Ginobili, Mason, Finley (FA)
PG Parker, Hill (R), Vaughn

Finley is likely to be back based on previous statements by the FO.
Not yet sure with Thomas.

Previous comments by management meaning a dude on SpursReport?

If we go in Tolliver's direction, and I think we should, how do we move Bonner, and for what? Who do we plug in? Gist or another big? Gist at 4 and then sign a another swing like Nachbar to add a litte more offense at the wing?

[duncan228]

Unfortunately, I'll never forget it either.....


You do great work Pistons < Spurs. :worthy:

I'll miss Horry. In hindsight, it would have been better if he'd retired after the '07 Title and gone out smiling. But there was no way to know how last season would unfold for him, I'm sure he thought he had a chance to possibly contribute to a repeat.

[raspsa]

A good thing as his playing time will be reallocated to other bigs. We need players who can contribute from the start of the season thru the playoffs. Sadly, due to age and injuries, Horry no longer fit the bill.

[SenorSpur]

Previous comments by management meaning a dude on SpursReport?

If we go in Tolliver's direction, and I think we should, how do we move Bonner, and for what? Who do we plug in? Gist or another big? Gist at 4 and then sign a another swing like Nachbar to add a litte more offense at the wing?

Perhaps Tolliver can replace Horry.

[Bruno]

It was quite expected. Now we will see if pop will go with Bonner as shooting PF or keep him in the doghouse.

I quite expect Horry to find a team. He is cheap, smart, tough and has a lot of experience.
IMO, he will sign with Lakers. Their front court is young and quite soft. They also face some luxury tax trouble so Horry for the min could be the best solution for them.

[Pistons < Spurs]

It was not only the shot, but his 14 pts in 4th + OT.

Agreed.

Obviously the game winning 3 will be the shot that people remember. But my favorite moment is a play that took place like a minute and a half before. He pump faked form outside as Tay tried to jump out and contest. And He just puts the ball on the floor, drives towards the hole, and had a statue of liberty type left handed dunk. He just kept flying through the air. I didn't think he was going to be able to reach the rim from where he took off from. It was an awesome play, one that will always stay with me.

[picnroll]

Bonner is under contract.

We can always hope for a trade. Anything is possible however unlikley.

[Ice009]

Bonner is under contract.

That statement made me lol for some reason.

[tp2021]

The Dunk :worthy:

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not necessarily hoping for a Bonner trade. Actually play him first.

[SenorSpur]

It was quite expected. Now we will see if pop will go with Bonner as shooting PF or keep him in the doghouse.

I quite expect Horry to find a team. He is cheap, smart, tough and has a lot of experience.
IMO, he will sign with Lakers. Their front court is young and quite soft. They also face some luxury tax trouble so Horry for the min could be the best solution for them.

If Horry wants to latch onto another contender - that's his decision. Somehow I can't see him going back to the Fakers after they publicly scapegoated him following their failed 2004 playoff run.

Horry doesn't strike me as wanting to play far away from Houston.

In any event, I wish Horry well. This is good expected news from RC.

[~~Ice Man 2000~~]

It was his time to go, but I will miss him. I hope he becomes a coach.

[Ice009]

You do great work Pistons < Spurs. :worthy:

I'll miss Horry. In hindsight, it would have been better if he'd retired after the '07 Title and gone out smiling. But there was no way to know how last season would unfold for him, I'm sure he thought he had a chance to possibly contribute to a repeat.

Well look at it this way. If Boston and the Lakers didn't make two of the biggest trades in NBA history we could have won it all even with a banged up Manu. The Spurs were looking really good to make the finals until that ridiculous Lakers trade.

[Ice009]

I'm not necessarily hoping for a Bonner trade. Actually play him first.

What if by some weird chance actually plays good? Should we try and trade him when his value is higher?

[ChumpDumper]

What if by some weird chance actually plays good? Should we try and trade him when his value is higher?Only for a really good scoring swingman.

[completely deck]

What if by some weird chance actually plays good? Should we try and trade him when his value is higher?

It's a long shot but Bonner might have some meaningful production this year.

[tp2021]

I dont think its a long shot. He has shown that he is able to produce when given playing time. He was just never given playing time.

[Ice009]

It's a long shot but Bonner might have some meaningful production this year.

That's what I mean it's a very, very long shot, but if he does play good should we still look to trade him if his stock increases? I'd rather trade him then let him slide back into a funk like Beno used to do.

[duncan228]

Agreed.

Obviously the game winning 3 will be the shot that people remember. But my favorite moment is a play that took place like a minute and a half before. He pump faked form outside as Tay tried to jump out and contest. And He just puts the ball on the floor, drives towards the hole, and had a statue of liberty type left handed dunk. He just kept flying through the air. I didn't think he was going to be able to reach the rim from where he took off from. It was an awesome play, one that will always stay with me.


The Dunk :worthy:

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x282/duncan228/team/horrydunk05.jpg

[tp2021]

It looks better in real-time, but when you see it in slow motion, you can see just how close it comes to not staying down, and you can appreciate it all the better.

[Banzai]

Robert Horry has had a great career. If he doesn't come back next season I wouldn't be surprised. He's earned his retirement with :lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::toast

[urunobili]

Horry lock HOF'er... will forever enjoy your clutch plays!

[greens]

Said on a summer league broadcast.

Discuss.



Did RC say whether Robert Horry is retiring? Because I keep reading articles where Robert talks about not knowing if he'll be back next season. So maybe he is retiring.

[misterx91578]

take care Horry

[Spurs Brazil]

Did RC say whether Robert Horry is retiring? Because I keep reading articles where Robert talks about not knowing if he'll be back next season. So maybe he is retiring.

No just said he won't be back with the Spurs

[mrspurs]

i never liked him anyways....nah horry was cool, but imo he shoulda been gone 2 yrs ago, if this is true and horry isnt coming back thats great news no matter the outcome....id rather sink without horry then sink with him.......those trying to hurt other players on purpose, while getting caught on camera over ,and over, were getting as old, as he is, dont let the door hit ya on the way out......

[bdictjames]

Horry deserves a big San Antonio good-bye on opening night.

We wouldn't have had 2 titles without him.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Horry lock HOF'er... will forever enjoy your clutch plays!

He's had an extremely successful career, and as you mention, has been clutch at the biggest moments..... but HOF? No way!!! He's averaged 7pts and 4.8rbs for his career. He's only had 3 seasons where he averaged more than 10 points per game. He may get his jersey retired by a couple of teams, but he's not a HOF player.

[bdictjames]

He's had an extremely successful career, and as you mention, has been clutch at the biggest moments..... but HOF? No way!!! He's averaged 7pts and 4.8rbs for his career. He's only had 3 seasons where he averaged more than 10 points per game. He may get his jersey retired by a couple of teams, but he's not a HOF player.

Looks like someone is still bitter over 2005.

[Spurs Brazil]

Thank you Horry!!!

http://bp1.blogger.com/_Mt4Ppu0J9eA/R5_MgmTKemI/AAAAAAAAAHg/9aPRrZBm3KI/s320/rhory_ADB_627_070614.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1396/626273103_8f8f385029.jpg?v=0

[lefty]

I'm sure that if Parker passed the ball to Horry instead of Manu at the end of game 1 vs Lakers in the 08 WCF, he would have made it.
He really wanted the ball, he looked sure of himself.
And you knowwhat he can do when he's confident

[Pistons < Spurs]

Looks like someone is still bitter over 2005.

How so? I've been a Horry fan since he played in Houston. I already complimented him earlier in this thread. 2005 has nothing to do with his #'s not being close to good enough to getting him in the hall.

[DespЏrado]

How so? I've been a Horry fan since he played in Houston. I already complimented him earlier in this thread. 2005 has nothing to do with his #'s not being close to good enough to getting him in the hall.

If it were just about numbers it would be called the hall of great player averages, since it is not, Horry belongs in the hall of FAME. The dude has a notoriety about his career that is unparalleled for a fourth to seventh man.

Horry is what the hall of fame is all about. No other player has come close to doing what he has done in the role he did it in. That in of itself makes him worth of induction.

[Pistons < Spurs]

If it were just about numbers it would be called the hall of great player averages, since it is not, Horry belongs in the hall of FAME. The dude has a notoriety about his career that is unparalleled for a fourth to seventh man.

Horry is what the hall of fame is all about. No other player has come close to doing what he has done in the role he did it in. That in of itself makes him worth of induction.

I don't disagree with your premise ... but like it or not, it's a game of stats. #'s are the overriding factor that either gets a player in, or keeps a player out.

He may be everything that is good and right about the game. He may be the picture of team success. But 7 knuckles covered in hardware won't be enough to get him in with the numbers he's put up in his career.

[Horry For 3!]

Said on a summer league broadcast.

Discuss.

I can not put

<

next to my name anymore.


Pretty much my name is retired :pctoss

[SPURSGOAT]

Opens up a spot for Tolliver... maybe Tolliver and and hopefully Gist will make the roster.

[Spurtacus]

Good luck and thanks for the memories Mr. Horry.

-Thomas needs to be resigned
-Gist on the roster
-Move Bonner
-Take a chance on Tolliver

[T Park]

Horry >>>>>>>>>>>> Tolliver

Can't wait to see the meltdown on Spurstalk after Horry with the Celtics or Lakers nails a game winning shot.

[bdictjames]

I don't disagree with your premise ... but like it or not, it's a game of stats. #'s are the overriding factor that either gets a player in, or keeps a player out.

He may be everything that is good and right about the game. He may be the picture of team success. But 7 knuckles covered in hardware won't be enough to get him in with the numbers he's put up in his career.

Horry's #1 in the Finals in three-point field goals made. I know he has more Finals/playoffs accomplishments. I know he now has the most playoff games played in his career. Those are some stats for you.

[loveforthegame]

It's a shame. He'll be missed and hopefully he doesn't come back to hurt the Spurs.

Good news is that it will open up a spot for someone like Gist.

[wildbill2u]

Not terribly surprising. I was surprised he came right out and said it though.

Got to say it sometime if the decision has been made. I guess they've made the decision based on what they see in SL plus the past season's performance.

[wijayas]

I'll miss Horry.

Me too. It's been a great run. :toast




In hindsight, it would have been better if he'd retired after the '07 Title and gone out smiling. But there was no way to know how last season would unfold for him, I'm sure he thought he had a chance to possibly contribute to a repeat.

Horry was chasing after Kareem most playoffs game played, which he did in 2007-2008 season.

[SPURSGOAT]

Got to say it sometime if the decision has been made. I guess they've made the decision based on what they see in SL plus the past season's performance.

despite what pop said at the end of last season... it's all about the youth movement it seems now...

[knee-knee-3]

Horry did more than just hit big shots. During the series with Phoenix, he stepped into a Steve Nash crossover off a pick&roll and created a turnover. He also gave David West a playoff lesson in toughness.

[DPG21920]

we can not just get young for the hell of it. we need guys that can contribute now.

[baseline bum]

That freaking sucks.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Horry's #1 in the Finals in three-point field goals made. I know he has more Finals/playoffs accomplishments. I know he now has the most playoff games played in his career. Those are some stats for you.

That's good for trivia ... but not the HOF.

[my2sons]

Expect a McDonalds article tomorrow with the news lifted from this board...

So you're taking credit for news from an interview at the RMR which the paper can't get out til tomorrow either way.

[usckk]

I think we should keep Bonner and give him consistent minutes and see what he can do. He's instant offense from the bench. He'll help the Spurs during those long scoring droughts.

[my2sons]

or at the very least, get him some playing time to see if we can get some kind of trade value for the trading deadline. I am not a bonner hater, i like any player that plays with heart and goes all out every minute he's on the floor. We'll see how much of the system he has down now especially with horry not slated to come back

[knee-knee-3]

I think we should keep Bonner and give him consistent minutes and see what he can do. He's instant offense from the bench. He'll help the Spurs during those long scoring droughts.

I really don't trust Bonner's offense when it matters. He also takes too many quick shots.

[ChumpDumper]

Well who are we going to trust?

The $2 million player to be named later?

[manufor3]

bye big shot

[knee-knee-3]

Well who are we going to trust?

The $2 million player to be named later?

Do you really think Bonner is ready for substantial and meaningful minutes?

[ChumpDumper]

Do you really think Bonner is ready for substantial and meaningful minutes?Who else is there?

[knee-knee-3]

Who else is there?

You failed to answer my question.

[ducks]

I'm sure that if Parker passed the ball to Horry instead of Manu at the end of game 1 vs Lakers in the 08 WCF, he would have made it.
He really wanted the ball, he looked sure of himself.
And you knowwhat he can do when he's confident

yep

[ChumpDumper]

You failed to answer my question.Here's my answer:

Sure.

Now who else did you have in mind.

[wijayas]

Do you really think Bonner is ready for substantial and meaningful minutes?

Did you remember when Pop gave Bonner his minutes, Bonner scored 27! I won't dump Bonner. He probably needs a chance to prove himself.

[knee-knee-3]

Here's my answer:

Sure.

Now who else did you have in mind.

To answer your question: NOBODY!!! But seriously, what makes you think Bonner can contribute significantly?

[knee-knee-3]

Did you remember when Pop gave Bonner his minutes, Bonner scored 27! I won't dump Bonner. He probably needs a chance to prove himself.

Bonner is a stopgap, at best.

[ChumpDumper]

To answer your question: NOBODY!!! But seriously, what makes you think Bonner can contribute significantly?Because he can shoot the basketball and hustle a bit.

It's not like the bar is very high after Horry's last season.

[knee-knee-3]

Because he can shoot the basketball and hustle a bit.

It's not like the bar is very high after Horry's last season.

That's kinda the point...

[ChumpDumper]

That's kinda the point...Exactly!

If Bonner hits one (1) shot from the field in the next WCF, it will be an improvement

[knee-knee-3]

I actually love his hustle and don't begrudge his lack of consistent offense: it's just that I don't see him giving us quality minutes when it matters. And I think Pop feels the same way.

[ChumpDumper]

Pop doesn't have many options either.

Play him of trade him.

[knee-knee-3]

Exactly!

If Bonner hits one (1) shot from the field in the next WCF, it will be an improvement

And, perhaps, another early exit.

[ChumpDumper]

And, perhaps, another early exit.So what is your answer?

What other player are you suggesting?

[knee-knee-3]

Pop doesn't have many options either.

Play him of trade him.

Agreed. Unless he improves dramatically, he should be traded.

[angelbelow]

thanks for the memories bob.. i guess this frees up room for tolliver and gist.

[ChumpDumper]

Agreed. Unless he improves dramatically, he should be traded.I don't even think dramatic improvement is needed.

[knee-knee-3]

So what is your answer?

What other player are you suggesting?

Again, I HAVE NO ANSWER!!! The Spurs have a hole in the roster that will probably not be addressed this offseason. This is my point, buddy!

[ChumpDumper]

How do you know it will not be addressed?

Again, it's just Horry's hole, so it's not that big a deal most of the season.

[knee-knee-3]

How do you know it will not be addressed?

Again, it's just Horry's hole, so it's not that big a deal most of the season.

So you're comfortable with Bonner getting playoff crunch-time minutes?

[Ice009]

I really don't trust Bonner's offense when it matters. He also takes too many quick shots.

I don't like Matt Bonner's shooting form. Like you said it seems he jacks up shots too quick and they can miss/clang badly. Is Bonner's form good enough for a crunch time shot when the pressure is high and he has to release quickly???

Stephen Jackson, Robert Horry, Steve Kerr, players like that have pretty good form. When they can set their feet and take the shot for the win usually even if it doesn't go in it's not way off like some of Bonner's shots are. From what I recall Pop gave Bonner a couple of game winners in the regular season and correct me if I'm wrong, but he wasn't even close was he?

[ChumpDumper]

So you're comfortable with Bonner getting playoff crunch-time minutes?Who said I would play him then?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Too bad. :depressed
Horry had a great career with the Spurs. I'll proudly continue to wear his jersey knowing that a great player such as himself played for the Spurs, and also brought them a championship playing a vital role in 2005.

[knee-knee-3]

Who said I would play him then?

So Pop is gonna put in __________ during the fourth quarter?

[ChumpDumper]

Someone else.

[knee-knee-3]

That's purty evasive.

[Dex]

So Pop is gonna put in __________ during the fourth quarter?

James Gist!

[ChumpDumper]

That's purty evasive.There are 11 other guys on the active roster.

Take your pick.

The Spurs play small half the time late anyway.

[knee-knee-3]

There are 11 other guys on the active roster.

Take your pick.

The Spurs play small half the time late anyway.

YOU TELL ME! You're the one that thinks Bonner can step into Horry's role.

[ducks]

horry never played decent tell may

[knee-knee-3]

James Gist!

I've been praying for it for the last five days, but it's kinda unlikely.

[ChumpDumper]

YOU TELL ME! You're the one that thinks Bonner can step into Horry's role.I'm quite sure he can play Horry's regular season minutes. Horry didn't play in crunch time much of the season, so Bonner could play then even less. Any other big man or SF could do.

[knee-knee-3]

I'm quite sure he can play Horry's regular season minutes. Horry didn't play in crunch time much of the season, so Bonner could play then even less. Any other big man or SF could do.

Maybe, but my point has been that Horry's playoff minutes can never be replaced by Bonner's minutes. Horry looked old and hurt during last year's playoff run, but he did contribute. I'd be pleasantly surprised if Bonner was able to match that during next year's playoffs, but it isn't likely.

[ducks]

booner could foul shaq on purpose
that is about what horry did this year

[ChumpDumper]

Horry really didn't contribute in proportion to his legend.

If we were stuck in thinking that we couldn't continue without one player not named Duncan, we should have given up the ghost after 2001.

Time to move on.

[knee-knee-3]

booner could foul shaq on purpose
that is about what horry did this year

Horry also created a crucial turnover on a Steve Nash crossover (I said this in another thread, I'm redundant!), and gave D West the business. Bonner could accomplish neither!!!!!!!!!

[knee-knee-3]

Horry really didn't contribute in proportion to his legend.

If we were stuck in thinking that we couldn't continue without one player not named Duncan, we should have given up the ghost after 2001.

Time to move on.

Time to move on - to Bonner?:rolleyes

[ChumpDumper]

Again, what is your suggestion?

Oh yeah, you don't have one.

Brilliant. :rolleyes

[knee-knee-3]

Again, what is your suggestion?

Oh yeah, you don't have one.

Brilliant. :rolleyes

Again, I'm pointing out the obvious, not giving suggestions. WE CURRENTLY HAVE NO OPTIONS!

[I. Hustle]

There is only one option...











JAMES GIST

[ChumpDumper]

Again, I'm pointing out the obvious, not giving suggestions. WE CURRENTLY HAVE NO OPTIONS!Of course we do. You just don't like them.

[Ice009]

Maybe, but my point has been that Horry's playoff minutes can never be replaced by Bonner's minutes. Horry looked old and hurt during last year's playoff run, but he did contribute. I'd be pleasantly surprised if Bonner was able to match that during next year's playoffs, but it isn't likely.

That's the thing can Bonner is matched a totally fucked up Robert Horry?

Robert played some minutes against the Suns and also came up big against the Hornets in a couple of games especially game 7. Do we even get to the WCF with Bonner playing those same minutes last season instead of Horry? Or would we have gotten further with Bonner playing?

[knee-knee-3]

Of course we do. You just don't like them.

So what options seem championship-worthy to you?

[picnroll]

Forget the shooting, Horry until last year played some very good defense. Bonner, apart from the fact that he's choked repeatedly as a shooter, absolutely sucks and is a significant liability on defense. If Bonner is a rotation player next year it'll be a sign the Spurs have failed at retooling most likely.

[ducks]

Again, I'm pointing out the obvious, not giving suggestions. WE CURRENTLY HAVE NO OPTIONS!

yeah manu ,duncan have never made a big shot or steal or block

[pad300]

Horry also created a crucial turnover on a Steve Nash crossover (I said this in another thread, I'm redundant!), and gave D West the business. Bonner could accomplish neither!!!!!!!!!

For a little bit of perspective on what Horry gave us in the playoffs this year :

http://www.82games.com/0708/playoffs/0708SAS.HTM

See Horry's name down there at the bottom, with a -13.3 net production. The only playoff player with worse net production was Vaughn, who we are hopefully replacing as well... Not that I am saying Bonner was good in his 9 minutes of playoff action (talk about your small sample size!), but Horry was worse.

In all honesty, we either hope for a breakout season from either Mahinmi or Gist (or another big brought in... Javtokas anyone?), or we hope for Thomas with a full training camp and season will be much more efficient in the offenser, with his mid-range jumper coming back.

[nil.ball]

I think everybody should just chill, I mean wait at least till training camp start and see the roster first. Stop fighting man, it's summer, go to the beach or something.

[ducks]

booner plays booner has to improve
all players do

[ducks]

I think everybody should just chill, I mean wait at least till training camp start and see the roster first. Stop fighting man, it's summer, go to the beach or something.

they do not know any good line to pick up chicks:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

[knee-knee-3]

yeah manu ,duncan have never made a big shot or steal or block

We're discussing Horry, not those gangstas!

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

With Horry gone, hopefully we bring in Brian Skinner.

[ChumpDumper]

Look, I know what the Spurs are losing with Horry's departure and appreciate everything he has done to contribute to past wins. I suppose I would just feel worse about it had he shot better than 0 for the WCF.

[nil.ball]

they do not know any good line to pick up chicks:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol


The best pick up line is there is no best pick up line. All you have to do is take off that shirt, and put on some bathing oil, and just flex. Works every time!
:p:

[ducks]

We're, discussing Horry, not those gangstas!

no kidding but people act like horry was the only one that can hit a clutch shot

[exstatic]

It was quite expected. Now we will see if pop will go with Bonner as shooting PF or keep him in the doghouse.

I quite expect Horry to find a team. He is cheap, smart, tough and has a lot of experience.
IMO, he will sign with Lakers. Their front court is young and quite soft. They also face some luxury tax trouble so Horry for the min could be the best solution for them.

I don't see it. I recall his parting from LA wasn't sweet to the point that during the 2008 playoffs, he made a point of saying Pop was his best coach...during the Laker series. I also don't think the location works for him. I can see him somewhere within a 60-90 minute flight to Houston: Houston itself, N.O., Memphis, Dallas, OKC. His daughter is profoundly handicapped, and I think he would retire rather than play on either coast and be that far away from her.

[exstatic]

Maybe, but my point has been that Horry's playoff minutes can never be replaced by Bonner's minutes. Horry looked old and hurt during last year's playoff run, but he did contribute. I'd be pleasantly surprised if Bonner was able to match that during next year's playoffs, but it isn't likely.

Horry shot .192 in the 2008 playoffs, and .227 from beyond the arc. How fucking hard is that to replace?

[ducks]

I could see him with hornets

[knee-knee-3]

Horry shot .192 in the 2008 playoffs, and .227 from beyond the arc. How fucking hard is that to replace?

Again, that's not honest. Was Horry a primary offensive option? NO! Was he hurt all year? YES!

[ducks]

Again, that's not honest. Was Horry a primary offensive option? NO! Was he hurt all year? YES!

that is a fact what he shot
was he hurt last year yes but it is honest he shot that

[I. Hustle]

Oh well you can't get younger without shedding some age.

[ElNono]

Again, that's not honest. Was Horry a primary offensive option? NO! Was he hurt all year? YES!

LOL... Do you understand how percentages work?

[knee-knee-3]

LOL... Do you understand how percentages work?

My point is that Horry provided the "intangibles".

[exstatic]

My point is that Horry provided the "intangibles".

Intangibles aren't enough if the clutch shooting isn't there to go with it. Horry's done, and trotting out the corpse of his career for another year is worse than those other options you won't face.

[knee-knee-3]

Intangibles aren't enough if the clutch shooting isn't there to go with it. Horry's done, and trotting out the corpse of his career for another year is worse than those other options you won't face.

So what is an adequate replacement?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

yep

:lol ducks mixing the Manu hate into a Robert Horry thread.

Good job, quacker.

[ducks]

:lol ducks mixing the Manu hate into a Robert Horry thread.

Good job, quacker.

lefty said it
I just agreeded
horry looked like he wanted it
then he did not get it and then passed up shots

[ducks]

My point is that Horry provided the "intangibles".

not this year in playoffs

[ducks]

gist if given the chance will bring that energy and intangiblies

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Again, I'm pointing out the obvious, not giving suggestions. WE CURRENTLY HAVE NO OPTIONS!

Just shut up and go back to Spursreport.

WTF is it with all the rookie knuckleheads around here lately?

[knee-knee-3]

not this year in playoffs

what exactly did you want?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Horry shot .192 in the 2008 playoffs, and .227 from beyond the arc. How fucking hard is that to replace?

knee-knee probably thinks Malik Rose could still make a difference too.... :lol

[ducks]

spursreport is getting to many ads
they have ads in the middle of the thread
you start a thread
next post ad

WHY MONEY GREED!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Again, that's not honest. Was Horry a primary offensive option? NO! Was he hurt all year? YES!

Since when was Horry ever a primary offensive option in his life?

Go back to the JV board.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

So what is an adequate replacement?

We have 82 games to find out. Go back to Spursreport. Please.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

lefty said it
I just agreeded
horry looked like he wanted it
then he did not get it and then passed up shots

So then he's a crappy teammate, pouting and all?

[SenorSpur]

Opens up a spot for Tolliver... maybe Tolliver and and hopefully Gist will make the roster.

...and both should make for good additions. Definitely a positive aspect to the Horry departure.

[ducks]

yep

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

spursreport is getting to many ads
they have ads in the middle of the thread
you start a thread
next post ad

WHY MONEY GREED!

Uh, thanks for the insight. I don't care, I just want all the 12 year olds who made their way over here from there (mrspur, DPG1whatever, knee-knee, etc.) to go back.

[ducks]

I do not either
I just think some of these posters make me want me to send them a virus

[CaptainLate]

Finley is likely to be back based on previous statements by the FO.

Now that Turiaf is gone, Flakers are likely to go after KThomas.

[ducks]

Now that Turiaf is gone, Flakers are likely to go after KThomas.

spurs can offer more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$

[intlspurshk]

^^ How abt the duration of contract that Lakers can offer?????????????????????

[knee-knee-3]

knee-knee probably thinks Malik Rose could still make a difference too.... :lol

You seem to have all the answers. Who will fill the void?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

^^ How abt the duration of contract that Lakers can offer?????????????????????

Spurs can beat anyone's offer they want, in terms of years and money (and raises percentage wise).

[ChumpDumper]

If they wouldn't pay for Turiaf, why would they pay for Thomas?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You seem to have all the answers. Who will fill the void?

Uh, like I said, we have 82 games to find out. What void is it exactly that needs filling? Horry's -13.3 +/- in the WCF? I'm fairly certain we can find someone better, hell I could probably do better.

But if you need names, I'm fairly certain it will be one of these: Bowen, Udoka, Mason, Hill, Gist, Tolliver, Bonner, Vaughn, Thomas.

Like I said, I'm pretty sure we will be able to find a better than -13.3 guy somewhere in all those guys.

Typical dumbass Spurs fan, sucking off an ancient role player who was good a couple of years ago. I know, I know, we were supposed to get Maggette for 2 million a year, but shit happens.

[DPG21920]

Uh, thanks for the insight. I don't care, I just want all the 12 year olds who made their way over here from there (mrspur, DPG1whatever, knee-knee, etc.) to go back.

Still taking shots at me

[ducks]

If they wouldn't pay for Turiaf, why would they pay for Thomas?

good point
especially after horry said pop >phil
and phil treats stars special but pop does not

[I. Hustle]

OOOOOHHHHHHHHH I thought it said Horry won't be black. I thought his time in SA & LA turned him Mexican

[ducks]

wTF^^^

[knee-knee-3]

Uh, like I said, we have 82 games to find out. What void is it exactly that needs filling? Horry's -13.3 +/- in the WCF? I'm fairly certain we can find someone better, hell I could probably do better.

But if you need names, I'm fairly certain it will be one of these: Bowen, Udoka, Mason, Hill, Gist, Tolliver, Bonner, Vaughn, Thomas.

Like I said, I'm pretty sure we will be able to find a better than -13.3 guy somewhere in all those guys.

Typical dumbass Spurs fan, sucking off an ancient role player who was good a couple of years ago. I know, I know, we were supposed to get Maggette for 2 million a year, but shit happens.

You could do better? Really, the Spurs need a versatile 4/3 that can defend and rebound.

[ChumpDumper]

You could do better? Really, the Spurs need a versatile 4/3 that can defend and rebound.We just drafted one.

Next.

[ducks]

82 Games To Figure It Out

Horry Was Like 10-11 Man

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You could do better? Really, the Spurs need a versatile 4/3 that can defend and rebound.

Horry didn't defend shit all year. He averaged 2 rebounds a game in the playoffs (less than his regular season numbers). I'm sure the Spurs will somehow be able to overcome such a tremendous loss.

We're adding Ian and Gist, between them I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they'll be able to make up the whopping 2 boards a game Horry gave us.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Still taking shots at me

Quit being such an easy mark.

[knee-knee-3]

We just drafted one.

Next.

Oh yes, how does Bonner fit into the mix?

[ducks]

Oh yes, how does Bonner fit into the mix?

HE CAN PRACTICE AGAINST HIM:downspin:

[ChumpDumper]

Oh yes, how does Bonner fit into the mix?Play some minutes while the aforementioned draft pick develops.

Next.

[knee-knee-3]

Horry didn't defend shit all year. He averaged 2 rebounds a game in the playoffs (less than his regular season numbers). I'm sure the Spurs will somehow be able to overcome such a tremendous loss.

We're adding Ian and Gist, between them I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they'll be able to make up the whopping 2 boards a game Horry gave us.

What makes you so confident in Ian and Gist, come crunch time?

[DPG21920]

Quit being such an easy mark.

When have I talked to you? Like I said, I am done conversing with you until you learn to be civil. I have kept my word.

[ducks]

What makes you so confident in Ian and Gist, come crunch time?

both will not get the ball in crunch time
tp,manu and duncan get the ball
maybe bowen for a three

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

What makes you so confident in Ian and Gist, come crunch time?

Are you this stupid? We have 82 games to find out. When's the last time Horry did anything for us in the crunch? You've got to go back 3 years unless you want to count his hip check on Nash last summer.

If you're that concerned about who was clutch for us once upon a time, bring back Jaren Jackson.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

When have I talked to you? Like I said, I am done conversing with you until you learn to be civil. I have kept my word.

I don't care about civility. I just want you to exhibit some modicum of brain power with your posts.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

both will not get the ball in crunch time
tp,manu and duncan get the ball
maybe bowen for a three

Even ducks is clowning on you.

knee-knee thinks that we're going to be passing to Bonner or one of the other role players in crunch time with Tim, Tony, and Manu on the court :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Are you this stupid? We have 82 games to find out. When's the last time Horry did anything for us in the crunch? You've got to go back 3 years unless you want to count his hip check on Nash last summer.

If you're that concerned about who was clutch for us once upon a time, bring back Jaren Jackson.He looked a little overweight this week, but his Mad Ants gear was stylin'.

[ducks]

how many rookies get the ball the crunch time with pop


even the first few years duncan manu got the ball in the 4
tp did not

[DPG21920]

I don't care about civility. I just want you to exhibit some modicum of brain power with your posts.

I ask you to find someone else that echoes your sentiments. You have now attacked almost everyone. Calling people stupid, telling them to leave, calling them 12...Real "internet bully".

[knee-knee-3]

Are you this stupid? We have 82 games to find out. When's the last time Horry did anything for us in the crunch? You've got to go back 3 years unless you want to count his hip check on Nash last summer.

If you're that concerned about who was clutch for us once upon a time, bring back Jaren Jackson.

Silly Boy!!!! He stymied a Nash crossover, he hit some clutch 3's in NO, and he gave D West a helluva shot.

[ducks]

Silly Boy!!!! He stymied a Nash crossover, he hit some clutch 3's in NO, and he gave D West a helluva shot.

anyone could have set that pick

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Silly Boy!!!! He stymied a Nash crossover, he hit some clutch 3's in NO, and he gave D West a helluva shot.

Okay, I was wrong. We're screwed. It's going to be impossible to replace Horry's two rebounds and one cheap shot per playoffs. Son of a bitch.

[knee-knee-3]

anyone could have set that pick

anyone on the Spurs roster?

[ducks]

anyone on the Spurs roster?

yeah
pop tells bigs to set picks
I have seen duncan set several picks:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I ask you to find someone else that echoes your sentiments. You have now attacked almost everyone. Calling people stupid, telling them to leave, calling them 12...Real "internet bully".

Dramatize much? Look, seeings I have to spell it out for you. I'm all for talking hoops. I don't even mind if there's viewpoints different than mine. I just want them to be backed up with a solid intellectual talk, not all this juvenile middle school argument shit like you, knee-knee, and mrspur have been putting out lately.

Is that too much to ask? All we're missing is "I know you are but what am I?" from Pee Wee Herman out of one of you.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

anyone on the Spurs roster?

Which free agent do you want us to sign for 2 million a year to set a pick?

Name name(s).

[knee-knee-3]

yeah
pop tells bigs to set picks
I have seen duncan set several picks:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

Be real, that pick was dirty (and fabulous)!

[ducks]

Be real, that pick was dirty (and fabulous)!

that pick was not dirty
it was not like what he did against nash

[knee-knee-3]

Which free agent do you want us to sign for 2 million a year to set a pick?

Name name(s).

THAT'S MY POINT!!! Who is gonna be the replacement?

[knee-knee-3]

that pick was not dirty
it was not like what he did against nash

it was beautifully dirty...

[ducks]

THAT'S MY POINT!!! Who is gonna be the replacement?

thomas will do more with training camp
spurs will resign him soon

[ducks]

it was beautifully dirty...

:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:nope

[ChumpDumper]

THAT'S MY POINT!!! Who is gonna be the replacement?We already told you our answer.

What is yours?

[DPG21920]

Dramatize much? Look, seeings I have to spell it out for you. I'm all for talking hoops. I don't even mind if there's viewpoints different than mine. I just want them to be backed up with a solid intellectual talk, not all this juvenile middle school argument shit like you, knee-knee, and mrspur have been putting out lately.

Is that too much to ask? All we're missing is "I know you are but what am I?" from Pee Wee Herman out of one of you.

What are you talking about? You can not find a post of mine to back up what you say about me. We have different opinions, but you always put words in everyone's mouth. You are the one being juvenile by calling people idiots and stupid all the time. Take a look inward. You just have a serious problem and I do not know what it is.

I kept my word and have not even talked to you. Did not say one thing and have been happily posting with everyone else. No one else gets on my case for my post, and in fact they interact and like my take. Until I randomly see you take a shot at me when I have not talked. That is juvenile.

But I am done with you once again, I just did not want you taking shots at me when I have nothing to do with you. No one else agrees with you about me.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

THAT'S MY POINT!!! Who is gonna be the replacement?

2 rebounds per game.
1 dirty pick per entire playoff series.

Kurt Thomas
Ime Udoka
Hill
Gist
Tolliver
Bonner
Vaughn
Mason, Jr.
Oberto
Ian

If we can't cover those two rebounds and that pick between all of the above, we're doomed.

[Marcus Bryant]

How long are these guys supposed to play?

I don't get Spurs fans. They want the team to 'get younger', but then they whine about every old fart who isn't brought back.

Move on, motherfuckers.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I kept my word and have not even talked to you. Did not say one thing and have been happily posting with everyone else. No one else gets on my case for my post, and in fact they interact and like my take. Until I randomly see you take a shot at me when I have not talked. That is juvenile.

But I am done with you once again, I just did not want you taking shots at me when I have nothing to do with you. No one else agrees with you about me.

:lol Just because they don't call you out doesn't mean they don't agree with me about you. Like I said, enough with the junior high shit. "Unless you can get Betty Sue to say she hates me too, then she really doesn't, even if she told you she does."

It's been a while since I put anyone on ignore, but it looks like I'm going to have to go add 3 names tonight.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

How long are these guys supposed to play?

I don't get Spurs fans. They want the team to 'get younger', but then they whine about every old fart who isn't brought back.

Move on, motherfuckers.

According to knee-knee all we need to do to repeat next year is bring back Horry, Barry, Avery, Jaren Jackson, Sean Elliott, Will Perdue, Steve Kerr, and Speedy Claxton.

Someone give R.C. a call.

[knee-knee-3]

We already told you our answer.

What is yours?

AGAIN, my answer is that we have a significant hole in the roster. God bless us all!!!!!!!!!!!

[DPG21920]

How long are these guys supposed to play?

I don't get Spurs fans. They want the team to 'get younger', but then they whine about every old fart who isn't brought back.

Move on, motherfuckers.

I think people are just getting antsy because we have not added any bigs. Right now we have Duncan, Oberto, Ian and Bonner for sure. Everything else is up in the air and people are attached to certain players.

We need to get young for sure, but we need to have a nice mixture of young and old combined with the young guys being able to have solid, small contributions right away.

[ducks]

spurs have a hole a 12 man
that plays some after the allstar break
what a HUGE HOLE TO FILL
I wonder how the spurs will ever be able to fill duncan, manu or tp hole when they retire

[ChumpDumper]

AGAIN, my answer is that we have a significant hole in the roster. God bless us all!!!!!!!!!!!Yeah, that hole was there last season too.

[ducks]

I think people are just getting antsy because we have not added any bigs. Right now we have Duncan, Oberto, Ian and Bonner for sure. Everything else is up in the air and people are attached to certain players.

We need to get young for sure, but we need to have a nice mixture of young and old combined with the young guys being able to have solid, small contributions right away.
thomas should be back:bking

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

AGAIN, my answer is that we have a significant hole in the roster. God bless us all!!!!!!!!!!!

2 rebounds per game in the playoffs. Turnstile defense. Yep, we're fucked.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

spurs have a hole a 12 man
that plays some after the allstar break
what a HUGE HOLE TO FILL
I wonder how the spurs will ever be able to fill duncan, manu or tp hole when they retire

Didn't you hear? Tim Duncan has requested to be traded unless we can find another 60 year old PF who pulls down two rebounds a game.

[knee-knee-3]

According to knee-knee all we need to do to repeat next year is bring back Horry, Barry, Avery, Jaren Jackson, Sean Elliott, Will Perdue, Steve Kerr, and Speedy Claxton.

Someone give R.C. a call.

I said Horry has a place, the rest of the BS is on you...

[DPG21920]

:lol Just because they don't call you out doesn't mean they don't agree with me about you. Like I said, enough with the junior high shit. "Unless you can get Betty Sue to say she hates me too, then she really doesn't, even if she told you she does."

It's been a while since I put anyone on ignore, but it looks like I'm going to have to go add 3 names tonight.

You make up the wildest scenarios. Also you start panic threads ("Give R.C. a Raise") and then dare to jump at people for their posts? I was not saying everyone likes me, I was saying everyone on here but you does not attack everyone.

Next.

[DPG21920]

thomas should be back:bking

Agreed. But he is not yet, so I think that is why people are uncomfortable with knowing we definitely won't be getting back a big. It is understandable and hopefully KT will be back soon.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I said Horry has a place, the rest of the BS is on you...

Yeah, it's going to be rough finding another guy to ride the pine.

[knee-knee-3]

Yeah, that hole was there last season too.

And we lost... Let's replace Horry with someone competent!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You make up the wildest scenarios. Also you start panic threads ("Give R.C. a Raise") and then dare to jump at people for their posts? I was not saying everyone likes me, I was saying everyone on here but you does not attack everyone.

Next.

Panic thread? It's called sarcasm.

Next.

[ChumpDumper]

And we lost... Let's replace Horry with someone competent!Still waiting for your suggestion.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Agreed. But he is not yet, so I think that is why people are uncomfortable with knowing we definitely won't be getting back a big. It is understandable and hopefully KT will be back soon.

Before free agency even started it was discussed on here that the Spurs would let the market set Kurt's salary moving forward. Nothing has changed.

"Next."

[knee-knee-3]

Yeah, it's going to be rough finding another guy to ride the pine.

Do you know any player that can come in on a whim and give quality minutes? Bonner???????????????????????????????????????????? ?

[SPURSGOAT]

2 rebounds per game.
1 dirty pick per entire playoff series.

Kurt Thomas
Ime Udoka
Hill
Gist
Tolliver
Bonner
Vaughn
Mason, Jr.
Oberto
Ian

If we can't cover those two rebounds and that pick between all of the above, we're doomed.

:lmao

[knee-knee-3]

Still waiting for your suggestion.

For the last time, I'm dumbfounded! It doesn't mean I'm wrong, it just means I'm not Jesus!!!!!!!!!!

[DPG21920]

Panic thread? It's called sarcasm.

Next.

Just one last question. Did I not say earlier that I would not respond to you and keep my word, only to find you for no reason taking a cheap shot at me?

If you can answer that question honestly, then you will know who has really been juvenile and posted things that brought nothing to the forum.

[ChumpDumper]

Do you know any player that can come in on a whim and give quality minutes? Bonner???????????????????????????????????????????? ?Yes.

[ChumpDumper]

Just one last question. Did I not say earlier that I would not respond to you and keep my word, only to find you for no reason taking a cheap shot at me?

If you can answer that question honestly, then you will know who has really been juvenile and posted things that brought nothing to the forum.Is this really that important to you?

[knee-knee-3]

Still waiting for your suggestion.

I've heard that some NBA teams start the season with an incomplete roster...

[DPG21920]

Before free agency even started it was discussed on here that the Spurs would let the market set Kurt's salary moving forward. Nothing has changed.

"Next."

Did you read my post? I agreed he would be back and you are acting like you won an argument. You try and argue even when we agree.

[DPG21920]

Is this really that important to you?

Kind of. In an annoying way it kind of gets to me. Not a huge deal, because I can see the forest for the trees and I really like SpursTalk and the people who post here. But for some reason I can not stand when people are always attacking other people. Maybe that makes me immature, but this just bothers me a little.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Is this really that important to you?

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

I've heard that some NBA teams start the season with an incomplete roster...Let the record show that your suggestion is for the Spurs to use four players instead of five for 13 minutes a game.

[DPG21920]

Is this really that important to you?

Why do you not ask him the same question?

[ChumpDumper]

Why do you not ask him the same question?I know it's not important to him.

[knee-knee-3]

Let the record show that your suggestion is for the Spurs to use four players instead of five for 13 minutes a game.

what the fuck are you smokin'?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Did you read my post? I agreed he would be back and you are acting like you won an argument. You try and argue even when we agree.

Then what was with your panic posts the other day about what happens if he goes to LA for less money than we can offer him? Damn, relax. FA started a week ago, and we've known since game 5 ended the Spurs would let Thomas figure out what he was worth on the open market and then talk numbers.

Nothing has changed. There's been one quote from the Spurs on Thomas saying they'd like to have him back but they are waiting to see how things play out.

There is one quote from Thomas saying he'd like to be back but he and his agent want to see what is out there.

Again, nothing has changed. Sit back, relax, and enjoy the four trophies sitting in the SBC.

[DPG21920]

I know it's not important to him.

Then why does he talk about me even when I have said nothing to him for a week?

[ChumpDumper]

what the fuck are you smokin'?Nothing. My suggestion was for someone to play those 13 minutes.

[ChumpDumper]

Then why does he talk about me even when I have said nothing to him for a week?Because he knew it would set you off like a See 'n' Say.

"The overly sensitive poster says...."

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Nothing. My suggestion was for someone to play those 13 minutes.

I think he needs a diagram. Maybe a pie chart?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

My name's ChumpDUMPer!

[DPG21920]

Then what was with your panic posts the other day about what happens if he goes to LA for less money than we can offer him? Damn, relax. FA started a week ago, and we've known since game 5 ended the Spurs would let Thomas figure out what he was worth on the open market and then talk numbers.

Nothing has changed. There's been one quote from the Spurs on Thomas saying they'd like to have him back but they are waiting to see how things play out.

There is one quote from Thomas saying he'd like to be back but he and his agent want to see what is out there.

Again, nothing has changed. Sit back, relax, and enjoy the four trophies sitting in the SBC.

Thats what I have been trying to tell you this entire time about KT. You completely mis-interpreted my posts about KT.

I never thought he would not sign. I just made two points: 1) that he is a UFA which adds some risks and 2) that I believe that there are two different strategies to negotiations. I agree that the Spurs are letting the market set the price, but I just said that they could take the route of making him an offer to let him know they want him that is above an insult but below their willingness to pay.

You do not have to agree with that, but it is a valid way to negotiate. It does have its positives and negatives. But you ran off at me and started putting words in my mouth.

[knee-knee-3]

Nothing. My suggestion was for someone to play those 13 minutes.

You misunderstood me, but whatever: Would Bonner be an adequate replacement for Horry? I DOUBT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DPG21920]

Because he knew it would set you off like a See 'n' Say.

"The overly sensitive poster says...."

But does that not in itself say something. Why would you intentionally try and set someone off?

Is Aggie the Joker? Some people just want to see the world burn and yada yada...

[ChumpDumper]

You misunderstood me, but whatever: Would Bonner be an adequate replacement for Horry? I DOUBT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I think he'll be fine while Gist gets some experience.

Better than playing nobody like you suggested.

[ChumpDumper]

But does that not in itself say something. Why would you intentionally try and set someone off?Because some people are comically predictable.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

1) that he is a UFA which adds some risks and 2) that I believe that there are two different strategies to negotiations. I agree that the Spurs are letting the market set the price, but I just said that they could take the route of making him an offer to let him know they want him that is above an insult but below their willingness to pay.

You do not have to agree with that, but it is a valid way to negotiate. It does have its positives and negatives. But you ran off at me and started putting words in my mouth.


It may be a valid way to negotiate if you're the New York Knicks and you want to be 30 million over the luxury tax. For any team with any sense of fiscal responsibility, it's not.

As was covered before, there is ZERO reason to make an offer to Thomas at this point. The only possible outcomes in that situation are

1) they offer him too much and are on the hook for a bad contract at above fair market value.

2) they offer him too little, piss him off, and he walks.

Again, there is no reason for the Spurs front office to make him an offer and every reason for them to wait. Yes, he is unrestricted but by all indications he wants to be in SA and will give them every opportunity to match or beat any offer he receives.

Sit back, relax, and pop in the 2005 championship DVD or something.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You misunderstood me, but whatever: Would Bonner be an adequate replacement for Horry? I DOUBT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2 rebounds per game.
1 pick per entire playoff season.

How are we ever going to cope?

[knee-knee-3]

I think he'll be fine while Gist gets some experience.

Better than playing nobody like you suggested.

Gist will get experience while Bonner eats up regular season minutes? Tell me more, Mr. Dumper!!!!!!!!

[ChumpDumper]

Gist will get experience while Bonner eats up regular season minutes? Tell me more, Mr. Dumper!!!!!!!!Gist will probably spend a little time in Austin.

Next.

[knee-knee-3]

2 rebounds per game.
1 pick per entire playoff season.

How are we ever going to cope?

Would Bonner have swiped Nash's crossover during the playoffs? Would he have hip-checked West?