Childress thinking to play for Olympiakos

[E20]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AuxB41Ea58x1y6.woq0MIVu8vLYF?slug=aw-childressgreece072108&prov=yhoo&type=lgns


Bullshit Hawks keeping all their ripe SF's from the rest of the league. Instead of rottign and amounting nothing in atlanta do an S&T or something.

[E20]

And if this thread is already posted then damn do I look stupid.

[The Franchise]

Shit, if that's true he'd better take the money and run!!!!

[TheMadHatter]

Why wouldn't Childress go? If he can't get that kind of money here at home, then go abroad for a few years and make money that will keep you settled for the rest of your life. Come back to the NBA and play for whomever you want and finish your career out without worrying about your next pay day.

[Biggems]

Why wouldn't Childress go? If he can't get that kind of money here at home, then go abroad for a few years and make money that will keep you settled for the rest of your life. Come back to the NBA and play for whomever you want and finish your career out without worrying about your next pay day.

have you looked at your sig closely? it looks like that cameraman is giving Bill a rectal exam, and check out the look on Bill's face, what a grimace.....either that or it looks like Bill is onehunglow

[The Franchise]

have you looked at your sig closely? it looks like that cameraman is giving Bill a rectal exam, and check out the look on Bill's face, what a grimace.....either that or it looks like Bill is onehunglow

You have to much time on your hands.:lol

[Fillmoe]

Bills about to rape kobe.

[ploto]

I think when all is said and done some people are going to owe Kill Bill an apology.

[velik_m]

http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/image.php?u=10451&dateline=1215627074

:rollin

Welcome back ploto. where have you been?

[timvp]

Leverage.

[TheMadHatter]

have you looked at your sig closely? it looks like that cameraman is giving Bill a rectal exam, and check out the look on Bill's face, what a grimace.....either that or it looks like Bill is onehunglow

Um dude that's the whole point of the picture.

[DaDakota]

Why not go? Less games, more money, see another country...actually several.....sounds like fun.

DD

[DPG21920]

Um dude that's the whole point of the picture.

I thought it looked like his dick hanging down to be honest.

[Spurtacus]

Its time we invaded Europe. We need our basketball players more than oil.

[angelbelow]

Leverage.

i think it goes both ways, if he can get something out of the hawks by leveraging this deal then he wins, if he cant and they call his bluff, i think he wins again by signing with olmpiakos.

[ChumpDumper]

I think when all is said and done some people are going to owe Kill Bill an apology.Just as soon as you give me and LJ props for telling you what was going to happen with Rasho.

[timvp]

Just as soon as you give me and LJ props for telling you what was going to happen with Rasho.Good point. Forgot about that.

I guess Rasho didn't love Toronto so much that he'd opt out of $8 million to sign a long term deal for less money. I can't wait for the ploto spin on Rasho picking up the player option and the subsequent trade. This is going to be good. Somehow it's going to be Peter Holt and Bruce Bowen's fault.

:hungry:

[ata]

Why would he do that?
With SMitch (Colangelo) forcing Bustnani, he really had no reasons to give up 8 mil and sign for less.

[timvp]

Why would he do that?
With SMitch (Colangelo) forcing Bustnani, he really had no reasons to give up 8 mil and sign for less.Exactly. Not sure what ploto was smoking when she made that bet with me.

[ceperez]

"If Childress decides against taking Olympiakos’ contract, the team is expected to turn to New Jersey Nets free agent Bostjan Nachbar."

Definitely sucks if this happens. More money going to be available in FA and therefore more competition for services.

[Pistons < Spurs]

"If Childress decides against taking Olympiakos’ contract, the team is expected to turn to New Jersey Nets free agent Bostjan Nachbar."



Ex-Nets F Nachbar, Dynamo Moscow agree to 3-year, $14.3M deal (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3497994)

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

God damn, can't all these Euro-fuckers just die already and leave us alone?

[BgT]

Exactly. Not sure what ploto was smoking when she made that bet with me.
She made that bet with you? Everyone knew he was not giving away that money. It's not like Toronto saved his life or anything like that. Link to that bet maybe?

[timvp]

She made that bet with you? Everyone knew he was not giving away that money. It's not like Toronto saved his life or anything like that. Link to that bet maybe?

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1827801#post1827801

[Indazone]

Nachbar already signed with CSKA. Off the table.

[Red Hawk #21]

WTF?!! This is becoming a fucking nightmare, first Smith and now Childress

[ploto]

I guess Rasho didn't love Toronto so much that he'd opt out of $8 million to sign a long term deal for less money. I can't wait for the ploto spin on Rasho picking up the player option and the subsequent trade. This is going to be good. Somehow it's going to be Peter Holt and Bruce Bowen's fault.


If you had kept up you would have known that I posted in April that Rasho was going to pick up his option because it was the only way he could play for Slovenia. With the Olympic qualifying tournament as early as it was, there was no way he could opt out and sign a deal in time to train and play with his national team, and he was not going to back out on his national team.

Our bet was contingent upon the conditon of Rasho staying with the Raptors past this summer. I also said that he would do that IF the Raptors wanted to keep him for a few years. He and his family have loved Toronto and he would have been happy to stay there for a few more years, but he did not have that power alone. The Raptors wanted the value of his expiring contract more. So he was surely not going to opt out when the Raptors were not going to offer his a new longer-term deal.

I specifically stated that Rasho still had to be on the team at the end of June for our bet. Now technically, he still was because of the timing required to get the deal through the NBA with Ford's BYC but for all intents and purposes he was no longer a Raptor at the end of June 2008. I set that parameter because I knew that he would be traded in June if he was not going to stay a Raptor for the long term anyway.

As it stands, Rasho will finish out his contract and return to Europe to end his career there. He would have stayed for Toronto, but I do not see it for any place else. That is why I laughed so hard at your claim that he played so well because he was trying to get a new deal in the NBA. Rasho had no interest in that. It was stay in Toronto or go home.

And for the record, I never said he would sign a new deal for less money-- I said he would sign a deal for less money up front (as in less than $8M this season) in exchange for more years on the team.

[Indazone]

I hope the dude does it. It'll be a slap in the face of Stern who would then have to wise up and get rid of the current cap structure and the matching MLE and LLE rules.

[ChumpDumper]

ROFL at ploohto's new sig.

[ploto]

If you're thinking that restricted free agent swingman Josh Childress is using an offer from the Greek powerhouse Olympiakos -- reported to be three years, $20 million -- merely as a bargaining chip to strong-arm the Atlanta Hawks into putting forth an offer, think again.

Childress and his advisory team, including agents Lon Babby and Jim Tanner, are in Greece now, meeting with officials from Olympiakos. It's doubtful that the entire group would have gone all the way to Greece simply to dupe the Hawks. This certainly looks like more than a bargaining tool. Reached by e-mail, Tanner said, "(Josh) is definitely considering it. We're here now."

Think back to last year, and the drama around restricted free agents like Sasha Pavlovic, Anderson Varejao and Charlie Bell. All had the overseas threat in their back pockets, though none of them made good on it. (It might be worth revisiting, and don't say we did not warn you about this.)

Now, Childress is exploring this European adventure, though most personnel types stateside seem to think this is a free-agent ploy. But perhaps NBA-types have become too convinced of their league's superiority.

Already, we've seen several lower-tier players spurn the NBA to play in Europe, including guard Juan Carlos Navarro and forward Bostjan Nachbar. Former Temple star Lynn Greer, in fact, passed up NBA offers to play for the same Olympiakos team that Childress is meeting with -- Greer got a two-year, $7 million deal. Remember big man Maciej Lampe? He had been getting some NBA nibbles but turned them down to play in Russia for three years, $10 million. His deal not only includes a car, but a driver, too.

The difference is that Childress is a significant NBA player. He was the sixth overall pick in the 2004 draft and has four years in the league. He has averaged 11.1 points and 5.6 rebounds, serving as one of the better sixth men in the league. But it's doubtful that, with NBA salary rules, Childress would get an offer starting at much more than the mid-level exception. And with the rules of restricted free agency allowing the Hawks to match any NBA offer Childress receives, he won't even get that. He'll likely have to play out his final year and become an unrestricted free agent next summer. Basically, Atlanta is bidding against itself for Childress' services.

So, why not Europe? Three years, $20 million is more money than Childress can get here. And there are perks. Housing is provided. A car is provided. Utilities are paid for. There are no taxes (there is an IRS bill for income earned overseas, but much less than an NBA player would pay here). Players who have been to Europe generally love it.

"The money is great, and you can't measure the amount of fun you have," says former Sacramento Kings forward Corsley Edwards, who has bounced all over the globe (Turkey, Spain, China, Italy) playing pro ball. "In the NBA, everything is straight business. Unless you are LeBron James or Michael Jordan, you're just a player, just a warm body. But you go play overseas, and you are Michael Jordan to them. Everyone loves you. It's like a college atmosphere."

Former North Carolina forward Jawad Williams -- who played in the NBDL and briefly with the Clippers -- has been carving himself a career overseas, too, playing first in Japan and then for Galil-Elyon in Israel. "The big difference is that, in Europe, you're really going to be part of a team," Williams says. "In the NBA, you know the ball is going to the star player, they're going to create mismatches and just keep going back to the same play over and over. That's not really a team game."

As a business decision, Edwards and Williams agree, playing abroad is shrewd. Both admit that it's tough to give up on the NBA dream, but, as Edwards says, "Why should I bust my butt trying to get a veteran's minimum contract in the NBA, giving 52 percent of that to taxes, buying a car, buying a house, trying to keep up with the Joneses? I can get more money in Europe and not have to worry about any of that. All I pay for is food."

Indeed, it makes sense for a guy looking at the veteran's minimum to go off and do better in Europe or China or Israel. And it makes sense for, say, Nachbar or Navarro, born in Europe, to return closer to home. But it's a much bigger leap for a player in the middle of a bright career -- like Childress -- to bolt for Greece. To most of us, at least. Guys like Edwards and Williams, who have actually played in overseas leagues, know better.

"Playing for Olympiakos? For that money?" Williams said. "You can't knock that. Greece is a beautiful place. To get $20 million guaranteed to play there, when you can't get that much in the NBA, he has to be thinking about it seriously."

Edwards was more direct: "He has his four years in the NBA. He played in the playoffs and all. He experienced the NBA. Now, take the money. Go see the major cities, the major artifacts, the Sistine Chapel, the Colosseum, the Seven Wonders of the World. Live in Greece. He'll love it. If he goes back to the NBA this year on a one-year deal, he might get hurt. This way, no matter what, he has $20 million. And he is going to love it. If I was him, it'd be a no-brainer. I'd be signing the contract by now."

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=436885

[jason1301]

I think when all is said and done some people are going to owe Kill Bill an apology.

He may not be happy with the news, actually he may be seriously depressed by now.

He is a fan of Panathinaikos which is synonymous to Olympiakos hater -- of course olympiakos's fan are Panathinaikos's haters as well lol

[Indazone]

Most likely KillBill is hating it now. Pana has some serious competition now.

[timvp]

If you had kept up you would have known that I posted in April that Rasho was going to pick up his option because it was the only way he could play for Slovenia. With the Olympic qualifying tournament as early as it was, there was no way he could opt out and sign a deal in time to train and play with his national team, and he was not going to back out on his national team.Link? I don't remember you saying that ... then again, I don't really keep up with RaptorTalk. Did you forget to consider that when you made the bet?


So he was surely not going to opt out when the Raptors were not going to offer his a new longer-term deal.Exactly. Which is why I made the bet. You are the only one who thought so enthusiastically that Rasho would turn down $8M that you wanted to make a bet.


I specifically stated that Rasho still had to be on the team at the end of June for our bet. Now technically, he still wasExactly. Don't worry, I'll let you out of the bet. If I collected on all my winning bets, that wouldn't be fair. No need to love Jackie Butler :tu


As it stands, Rasho will finish out his contract and return to Europe to end his career there. He would have stayed for Toronto, but I do not see it for any place else. That is why I laughed so hard at your claim that he played so well because he was trying to get a new deal in the NBA. Rasho had no interest in that. It was stay in Toronto or go home.:lol Do you not think Europe has scouts? Rasho's play at the end of last season upped his value around the world ... just not the NBA.

I don't know if he'll return to Europe. It'd be nice if he could find a team that would utilize him correctly in the NBA. But yeah, with the way the Euros are throwing around money and his past success in Euroleague, he'll probably bank with a Russian, Greek or Spanish team.


And for the record, I never said he would sign a new deal for less money-- I said he would sign a deal for less money up front (as in less than $8M this season) in exchange for more years on the team.Yeah, obviously. But that was a ludicrous assumption given the Raptors need to give Bustnani more playing time and it is why I made (and won) the bet.

[baseline bum]

If I was Childress, I'd walk. No sense in being bound to a team that lowballs you just because Stern has the Player's Union by the balls.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Most likely KillBill is hating it now. Pana has some serious competition now.

Panathinaikos is face this competition in Greek League and Greek Cup now once Childress is announce.

Olympiacos have

Coach: Giannakis (consider be best coach in world by many)

PG
1. Theo Papaloukas (many believe best point guard ever come from Europe)
2. Milos Teodosic (will be draft by NBA in future base on what scouts say)
3. Igor Milosevic (will be draft by NBA in future base on what scouts say)

SG
1. Lynn Greer (is former NBA player)
2. Yotam Halperin (is NBA draft pick)
3. Arvydas Macijuaskas (is former NBA player)

SF
1. Josh Childress (is former NBA player)
2. Panagiotis Vassilopulos (is consider franchise player of Olympiacos team and is one of key players in Greece national team)
3. Michalis Pelekanos (also one of key players of Greece national team)

PF
1. Yiannis Bouroussis (is one of stars of Greece national team and consider one of best big men in world not in NBA)
2. Giorgos Printezis (is NBA draft pick)
3. Zoran Erceg (will be draft by NBA in future base on what scouts say)

C
1. Nikola Vujcic (is consider one of best big men in world not in NBA)
2. Sofoklis Schortsanitis (is NBA draft pick)
3. Ian Vouyoukas (replacement for NBA player Tsakalidis because he is consider better than Big Jake)

They have best team on paper in Europe at current time. Is chance PAO can win none of 3 competitions next year. But PAO still have best player in Greece in Spanoulis. He is still better than players like Papaloukas and Childress. Even though Olympiacos bring in players in level of Papaloukas and Childress and Vujcic consider best C in Europe by many this is still not any player in Spanoulis level.

Usual team with best player win championships.

[endrity]

Kill Bill,

for all I know CSKA is still the best team in Europe, and I think also the one with the deepest pockets. I think they believe their team is still good enough that they don't have to overspend to bring NBA players in. But if it's necessary, they'll do it.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Kill Bill,

for all I know CSKA is still the best team in Europe, and I think also the one with the deepest pockets. I think they believe their team is still good enough that they don't have to overspend to bring NBA players in. But if it's necessary, they'll do it.

CSKA have right now I think but am not sure about this roster like this

PG JR Holden/Zoran Planinic/Alexy Shved
SG Trajan Langdon/Nikos Zisis/Viktor Keiru
SF Ramunas Siskauskas/Viktor Khryapa/Andrey Vorontsevich
PF Matjaz Smodis/Terence Morris/Artem Zabelin
C Erazem Lorbek/Aleksey Savraksenko/Sasha Kaun

Even though I am PAO fan I think I can admit Olympiacos roster look better than CSKA roster. But is still early in year. If Childress is announce then PAO will want make big signing. Will probably go after big NBA player. Same maybe for CSKA.

[endrity]

Exactly, CSKA has TONS of money as well, if they feel threatened they will spend too. I think they are just waiting to see what happens right now.

[Indazone]

Panathinaikos is face this competition in Greek League and Greek Cup now once Childress is announce.

Olympiacos have

Coach: Giannakis (consider be best coach in world by many)

PG
1. Theo Papaloukas (many believe best point guard ever come from Europe)
2. Milos Teodosic (will be draft by NBA in future base on what scouts say)
3. Igor Milosevic (will be draft by NBA in future base on what scouts say)

SG
1. Lynn Greer (is former NBA player)
2. Yotam Halperin (is NBA draft pick)
3. Arvydas Macijuaskas (is former NBA player)

SF
1. Josh Childress (is former NBA player)
2. Panagiotis Vassilopulos (is consider franchise player of Olympiacos team and is one of key players in Greece national team)
3. Michalis Pelekanos (also one of key players of Greece national team)

PF
1. Yiannis Bouroussis (is one of stars of Greece national team and consider one of best big men in world not in NBA)
2. Giorgos Printezis (is NBA draft pick)
3. Zoran Erceg (will be draft by NBA in future base on what scouts say)

C
1. Nikola Vujcic (is consider one of best big men in world not in NBA)
2. Sofoklis Schortsanitis (is NBA draft pick)
3. Ian Vouyoukas (replacement for NBA player Tsakalidis because he is consider better than Big Jake)

They have best team on paper in Europe at current time. Is chance PAO can win none of 3 competitions next year. But PAO still have best player in Greece in Spanoulis. He is still better than players like Papaloukas and Childress. Even though Olympiacos bring in players in level of Papaloukas and Childress and Vujcic consider best C in Europe by many this is still not any player in Spanoulis level.

Usual team with best player win championships.

yeah tell that to Kobe and Lebron :lol

[Indazone]

I'd say after reading this article that Childress is going to sign over there.

( Childress flew to Greece late Sunday and is scheduled to meet with Olympiakos officials on Monday. Childress, 25, is so flustered with the Hawks' refusal to make a sign-and-trade deal to another team, one source familiar with his thinking believes there's "better than a 50-50 chance" he'll sign with Olympiakos. The team also will cover the Greek taxes for Childress, making it even more lucrative.

"Unless he just gets there and doesn't like it at all, I think he's going to go," one league source said. )

Folks, this isn't a guy from Europe going back home. Nor is it about a washed up veteran going overseas to play a few more years. This is about money, pride and opportunities. Josh Childress is a blue-blooded American, and apparently unhappy with the Atlanta Hawks' unwillingness to neither pay nor trade him. Childress was the No. 6 pick in the 2004 draft, and is a career averages of 11.1 points, 5.6 rebounds and 1 steal, so he's a player. He also has a real chance at packing up and jetting to Greece.

Last month, I wrote a piece on the four types of NBA-caliber players who could be packing to leave in the future. They were :

1. The local or national hero (in Europe)

2. The young Latin American player

3. The late-blooming American

4. The American high school prodigy


Even if Childress were not to go, examples of all four cases have already happened. However, if you were to tell me a month ago that a young American NBA player with a bright future would pack his bags for Europe the next month, I would've looked at you as if you were crazy. Thus, there was no No. 5 : The disgruntled young American NBA player.

http://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/Mad_Ballin_If_Josh_Childress_leaves/293341

[endrity]

yeah tell that to Kobe and Lebron :lol

No. I'll tell it to Duncan, the true player of the decade in the NBA.

[ploto]

Exactly, CSKA has TONS of money as well, if they feel threatened they will spend too. I think they are just waiting to see what happens right now.

They are going to play the Raptors this pre-season. Do not know who else they will play when in North America.

[endrity]

They are going to play the Raptors this pre-season. Do not know who else they will play when in North America.

Go to nba.com, they have all of the preseason NBA Europe tour schedule. I think Memphis is also going over there.

[ploto]

Go to nba.com, they have all of the preseason NBA Europe tour schedule. I think Memphis is also going over there.

The Raptors are not going over there. CSKA is coming "here."

[Indazone]

I think Olympiakos can beat Pana now. With Childress they are going to be tough.

[KidCongo]

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/hawks/stories/2008/07/23/childress_hawks_greece.html

guess it's official

[MavDynasty]

red hawk #21 is sad

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Damn Euro-fucks.

[MavDynasty]

Damn Euro-fucks.

:tu

[Slo spurs fan]

Damn Euro-fucks.

:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes

How old are you really?

[Spuradicator]

well this begins a new trend in the NBA

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

PAO owners is mad and is in talks now with agent of Luol Deng.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes

How old are you really?

Click on meh profile and see.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

PAO owners is mad and is in talks now with agent of Luol Deng.

That would for sure start up some shit with the NBA.

[Red Hawk #21]

red hawk #21 is sad

Yea I really am, that's my favorite player. Its gunna suck to see him go, but I will be happy though if I see him dominating over there. And I hope he gets as much Greek pussy as possible lol.

[Indazone]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...=yhoo&type=lgns


Quote:
Unless the Chicago Bulls can reach an agreement for a contract extension with restricted free agent Luol Deng before he departs to join the Great Britain national team in two weeks, he will end talks and tell management that he plans to leave the organization as a free agent next summer, a source close to Deng told Yahoo! Sports.


Got two weeks to get it done KillBill

[Slo spurs fan]

Click on meh profile and see.

Meh, that would be wasted time.

[GaryJohnston]

Damn Euro-fucks.

+1

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

CSKA and PAO are now react to this.

PAO is after Deng and CSKA has made offer to Scola, for more money than even Childress is make.

[MavDynasty]

wow what the fuck, were losing all our players to the euros.

Oh well,I guess this is how they fell when someone like Dirk or Peja goes to play in the NBA

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Meh, that would be wasted time.

Yes it would.