Maliki Supports Obama Iraq Plan

[Nbadan]

Ingrates! We take the country to the brink of dissolving and this is how they thank us!



WASHINGTON — The White House expressed unhappiness Monday about Iraqi leaders' public backing for Barack Obama's troop withdrawal timetable. And it said that Baghdad may be trying to use the U.S. presidential election as leverage in talks about the future of American's military presence and obligations in the war.

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"We don't think that talking about specific negotiating tactics or your negotiating position in the press is the best way to negotiate a deal," Perino said after Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki was quoted in a magazine article supporting the 16-month troop withdrawal timeline proposed by Obama, the Democratic presidential candidate. "However, we understand that they're a sovereign country and they'll be able to do that," Perino said. "We're just not going to do it on our end."

Al-Maliki's spokesman, Ali al-Dabbagh, initially appeared to try to discredit the magazine report but on Monday he expressed hopes that U.S. combat forces could be out of Iraq by 2010, the timeframe proposed by Obama. Buoyed by a sharp reduction in violence, Iraqi leaders have become more assertive about the country's sovereignty, giving rise to demands for a specific plan for American forces to leave.

Desert News (http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,5143,700244911,00.html)

I guess that's the last time we invade THAT country, if that's the thanks they are going to give.

[DarrinS]

And Obama's theory about the surge was spot on. :rolleyes

[Nbadan]

And Obama's theory about the surge was spot on. :rolleyes

You mean the military escalation, right? What happens when U.S. troops are drawn down will be the more relevant measure of how escalating the costs to US taxpayers and the opportunity costs of the war have been...

[DarrinS]

You mean the military escalation, right? What happens when U.S. troops are drawn down will be the more relevant measure of how escalating the costs to US taxpayers and the opportunity costs of the war have been...


With things looking better and better in Iraq, media attention will now focus on how Afghanistan is a "quagmire". You've already heard Obama speak abou this, now his willing media accomplices with force the issue. Just watch.

I don't now why he just doesn't focus on the economy. There's a bunch of "crises" there.. Democrat success depends on there being some kind of crisis.

[Gino]

You mean the military escalation, right? What happens when U.S. troops are drawn down will be the more relevant measure of how escalating the costs to US taxpayers and the opportunity costs of the war have been...


That may be true, but that doesn't change the fact that Obama had no clue what he was talking about when he said the "surge" would actually increase secretarian violence.

[Nbadan]

That may be true, but that doesn't change the fact that Obama had no clue what he was talking about when he said the "surge" would actually increase secretarian violence.

This depends on whether you think that keeping 160-140,000 troops in Iraq is a realistic option and whether we are in the end game or just in a lull in how this is going to play out in the long-run....for now, we are paying both sides with weapons and taxpayer dollars to not fight each other....but what happens when we aren't paying them anymore will be the true measure about how effective the long-term strategy in Iraq has been.....but by then it won't be on Dubya's shoulders anymore....

[boutons_]

" "surge" would actually increase secretarian violence."

2007, the year of the escalation, was the year with highest number of US casualties. The door-kicking escalation really inflamed a lot of resistance.

The US casualites dropped off when Petraeus quit being so aggressive, in parallel with the ethnic cleansing and sectarian Balkanizing of Bagdad being completed, and Petraeus "buying peace" by paying Sunnis $24M month.

[boutons_]

"Maliki was asked what has calmed the violence in Iraq and responded as follows: "There are many factors, but I see them in the following order. First, there is the political rapprochement we have managed to achieve in central Iraq. This has enabled us, above all, to pull the plug on al-Qaida. Second, there is the progress being made by our security forces. Third, there is the deep sense of abhorrence with which the population has reacted to the atrocities of al-Qaida and the militias. Finally, of course, there is the economic recovery."

Notice: No credit to or thanks for the efforts and sacrifices of the United States and our armed forces, much less the surge. In fact, Maliki's major observation about American troops, other than that he wants them out of Iraq "as soon as possible," is that he wants the power to prosecute them for "offences or crimes committed by US soldiers against our population" -- a major sticking point in negotiations over a status of forces agreement."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchell/maliki-does-not-credit-su_b_114128.html?view=print


The escalation has failed because political progress, the 18 benchmarks, the SOFA, the national oil law, all of which were supposed to have been enabled by the escalation, are mostly the same as they were before the escalation.


McSenile was wrong on invading Iraq, HUSSEIN was right.

[possessed]

Quoting the Huffington Post. You gotta love this guy.

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

Well, Maliki says mission accomplished. Or did he?

I can't tell anymore.

[whottt]

Smart move on the part of Maliki....it pretty much locks the Bush admin and Republicans into the position of having to grant them the time table.

And that's a good thing..............


We are going to wind up having a positive impact on the ME....because the American people are going to make that the end result. Regardless of why we went in there.


Americans were commited to finishing what we started and putting a Democracy in there...they were not, ever, commited to occupying that country, regardless of what the government actually intended to do.


That's Democracy, the best form of government at work.............



If the Iraqis are now asking for a definite time table it's good news for me as I can now again start supporting other issues beyond the Iraq war....like saving the Middle Class of America...the true reason for America's greatness, as the Middle Class balance the natural rivalry between the poor and the wealthy and can relate to both.


Wouldn't have been near as much of an issue now if the Democrats had managed to put up anyone other than instant pullout candidates in 04. W being stupid wasn't a good excuse to become stupider.....

[boutons_]

"I can't tell anymore."

Misson Accomplished. dubya's Goebbels propaganda team has managed to muddy the extremely clear and serveral times verified Maliki translation, which was originally done by Maliki's personal translator.

From top to bottom, the Iraqis want the US occupiers to Yankee Go Home.

[boutons_]

"a spokesman for the Iraqi government declared that it would like U.S. combat forces to complete their withdrawal in 2010.

The comments by spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Ali+al-Dabbagh?tid=informline) mark the second time in recent days that a senior Iraqi has endorsed a timetable for U.S. withdrawal that is roughly similar to the one advocated by Obama. Dabbagh suggested a combat force pull-out could be completed by the end of 2010, which would be about seven months longer than Obama's 16-month formulation."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/20/AR2008072001416_pf.html

[whottt]

"I can't tell anymore."

Misson Accomplished. dubya's Goebbels propaganda team has managed to muddy the extremely clear and serveral times verified Maliki translation, which was originally done by Maliki's personal translator.

From top to bottom, the Iraqis want the US occupiers to Yankee Go Home.



But not immediately they don't...not immediatly they still don't...do you get it now? Senator Kerry?

[ChumpDumper]

We've got so much stuff there it would going to take the better part of two years to clear out if we decided to leave today. Plenty of time to see if the situation deteriorates in the meantime.

[boutons_]

"immediately" :lol

They want the US military to stop defacing and bullying their country, ASAP, even an immediate decision. It won't happen under oily dubya.

Everybody knows it would take 18 - 24 months from start to finish.

[whottt]

We've got so much stuff there it would going to take the better part of two years to clear out if we decided to leave today. Plenty of time to see if the situation deteriorates in the meantime.


Keeping our word and living up to our intended purpose stated when we entered into Iraq will do more(along with establishing an Arab Democracy) to stop the growth of terrorism than any other single thing we could do.


Hopefully Maliki isn't biting off more than he can chew...and hopefully the propaganda and unrest we formented in Iran will bear the intended fruit, since this makes strangling Iran economically and militarily in the event of a war much more difficult...but if it works then it'll just the be Saudis, Syria, and whatever shitholes in Africa are on the verge of becoming problems, and they won't be able to claim it's a Jewish Anglo anti muslim thing when there is at least one flourishing Arab country with strong ecomomic ties to the United States. That'll be one lie those shitty despots can no longer pull off convincingly...and Muslim outrage will be more correctly targeted at the deserving parties...their own leaders.

[PixelPusher]

“Obama’s remarks that — if he takes office — in 16 months he would withdraw the forces, we think that this period could increase or decrease a little, but that it could be suitable to end the presence of the forces in Iraq.”

“Who wants to exit in a quicker way has a better assessment of the situation in Iraq.”



"They're still translating the documents!"
:lol

[whottt]

"immediately" :lol

They want the US military to stop defacing and bullying their country, ASAP, even an immediate decision. It won't happen under oily dubya.

Everybody knows it would take 18 - 24 months from start to finish.


No they don't...that's never been what they wanted, that's definitely never been what their leadership wanted...they'd be dead right now and loolking for their heads if we'd pulled out immediately.

[PEP]

" "surge" would actually increase secretarian violence."

2007, the year of the escalation, was the year with highest number of US casualties. The door-kicking escalation really inflamed a lot of resistance.

The US casualites dropped off when Petraeus quit being so aggressive, in parallel with the ethnic cleansing and sectarian Balkanizing of Bagdad being completed, and Petraeus "buying peace" by paying Sunnis $24M month.

hahaha...you're such a dumbass boutons.

I would like to explain it to you but it doesnt do any use, you're so far off the reservation already. And even mentioning your cohort would be giving him too much credit.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Dirka dirka baka laka. Jihad!

[boutons_]

McSenile and McWhott know what the Iraqis want, not matter what the Iraqis say, giving them full respect as a sovereign country.

[boutons_]

"Q: If the Iraqi government were to say, if you were president, ‘we want a timetable for troops being removed,’ would you agree to that?


McCAIN: I’ve been there too many times. I’ve met too many times with him. And I know what they want. They want it based on conditions. And of course they’d like to have us out. That’s what happens when you win wars."



http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/mccain-maliki-withdrawal/



"conditions" ? Certainly McFlop MUST KNOW WHAT CONDITIONS. Of course, like "win", those conditions remain eternaly undefined, moveable, wobbly, subjective.

McFlop is flaccid, weak, saying no matter what weak bullshit, like he's never thought any through. Weak, weak shit.

[whottt]

I don't understand what you are bitching about boutons...if the Iraqui PM is asking for a definitive time table and the Republicans won't give him one, this election is probably over.


I don't know...I'm not still convinced America will vote for a black guy named Hussein yet, not even if he's the one avocating the right thing to do....I'm still kind of unconvinced on that. He's definitely not going to win Texas.


I absolutely detest his citizen of the World position...that's the A#1 thing I don't like about him...I don't want a President that wants to put the world first...I want a President that is going to put America first...if Obama wants to put the world first he sh maybe run for President of the UN. Nobody is electing leaders that will put the world first...because it's stupid to do so.

Still, I like the way he's been willing to adjust his stance and he's manipulating the situation to his advantage...he's definitely showing me he's more than just some naive dumbass trying to show what a nice guy he is, with his political manuevering. Because for most of this campaign he's come off to me as Jimmy Carter part 2...and that would suck right now.

I remain unconvinced he intends to act in America's best interest...still I'll take a non dumbass over a dumbass even if I have to hold my nose to do it while voting...it's better than voting for the lesser of two dumbasses as I had to do in 04...the my only option was voting for the non-traitor dumbass.


I will probably be voting for Obama inspite of the fact that I don't like the fact that he doesn't put his hand over his heart and I don't think he loves this country...because longterm it's more important and beneficial for the country that America lives up to it's stated goals in Iraq than any shorterm gain electing an out of touch guy who loves America over one who doesn't....McCain's refusal to commit to a timetable pretty much sealed his fate with me...and Obama is giving me that so...


I don't know though...I just don't see America electing a black guy named Hussein...being black is a big enough disadvantage to overcome...Hussein is next to impossible.


We'll see what happens though...it'll be interesting for me personally to see if I will be voting for a guy who fails to win the popular vote for the first time in my life.


Obama better live up to that fucking time table though if he wins. He better not sell out...and I still don't know enough about him to say it's a certainty that he won't.

[whottt]

And BTW...Maliki's manipulation of our election is impressive....it gives me faith the Iraqis will get the hang of Democracy real fast....I actually wonder if that idea came from Iraq or from the Obama camp. If it's Obama that gave him that idea then that actually makes Obama an excellent choice for this next phase of taking Democracy to the ME, to help the Iraqis strengthen their Democracy by showing them how ours works from the inside out...at the same time, if it's Obama that gave him that idea and he's doing it on Obama's advice instead of truly feeling that the country is ready to take the next step...that is incredibly stupid on the part of Obama Maliki.

Hopefully Maliki came up with it on his own or it was a collaborative effort...as that bodes well for Democracy in Iraq and our relations with them....and hopefully Maliki isn't rushing it.

[PixelPusher]

And BTW...Maliki's manipulation of our election is impressive....it gives me faith the Iraqis will get the hang of Democracy real fast....I actually wonder if that idea came from Iraq or from the Obama camp. If it's Obama that gave him that idea then that actually makes Obama an excellent choice for this next phase of taking Democracy to the ME, to help the Iraqis strengthen their Democracy by showing them how ours works from the inside out...at the same time, if it's Obama that gave him that idea and he's doing it on Obama's advice instead of truly feeling that the country is ready to take the next step...that is incredibly stupid on the part of Obama Maliki.

Hopefully Maliki came up with it on his own or it was a collaborative effort...as that bodes well for Democracy in Iraq and our relations with them....and hopefully Maliki isn't rushing it.
Bush tried to strong arm him with the "security agreement" (but it's not an actual "treaty", honest!) that included unilateral control of Iraqi airspace; legal immunity for all U.S. troops and contractors; the unilateral right to arrest and detain any Iraqis his commanders desired, and for unspecified periods; and several military bases, and Maliki responded with "lame duck says what?"

I don't think it would have been necessary for Obama to suggest it to Maliki; Maliki already knew that being seen as a stooge of a foreign government was politically untenable and unsustainable.

[Nbadan]

I will probably be voting for Obama inspite of the fact that I don't like the fact that he doesn't put his hand over his heart and I don't think he loves this country...

:lmao

[Nbadan]

Even McCain is supporting Obama's plan now...


http://mccs1977.com/Archived_Images/Politics/McCain_the_Flipper.JPG
"I was against the withdrawal timetable before I was for it!"


BUFFALO, New York (Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate John McCain appeared to leave a door open on Monday to a large-scale drawdown of U.S. troops from Iraq in the next two years.

McCain, who has wrapped up his party's White House nomination, has long argued against setting a timetable for U.S. troop withdrawal.

After a meeting with former President George H.W. Bush, McCain was asked whether it was conceivable for U.S. troops to be fully pulled out of Iraq in about two years.

"I think they could be largely withdrawn," the Arizona senator replied, citing the success of the "surge" strategy of increasing U.S. troop levels in increasing security in the country.

[whottt]

Bush tried to strong arm him with the "security agreement" (but it's not an actual "treaty", honest!) that included unilateral control of Iraqi airspace; legal immunity for all U.S. troops and contractors; the unilateral right to arrest and detain any Iraqis his commanders desired, and for unspecified periods; and several military bases, and Maliki responded with "lame duck says what?"

Well hey...it was a worth a try.





I don't think it would have been necessary for Obama to suggest it to Maliki; Maliki already knew that being seen as a stooge of a foreign government was politically untenable and unsustainable.



Yeah well...past attempts to influence our elections by influential mid-eastern leaders have been woefully inept and showed a decided lack of insight into ther American political mind...this one doesn't. This one shows a great deal of insight, so either Maliki is the sharpest ME leader to emerge...perhaps ever, or else someone is giving him some damn good advice...I'm undecided on which is which...Maliki hasn't particularly impressed me as a leader up to this point. And now I am impressed, and it comes at a time when I am simultaneously impressed with some of Obama's manipulations in a similar way.

[boutons_]

dubya wants the Iraqi elections as scheduled in Octorber to showcase "true democracy" :lol and help Old Senile 95% McKeatingC*nt.

If Maliki's govt postpones them (noises say very likely), the stooge puppet Maliki will be kicking lame-duck dubya in the nuts, again.