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Nbadan
07-22-2008, 11:58 PM
As I've pointed out before, its still to early to make concrete predictions about how the final numbers will turn up in Nov., but two things are becoming more clear...Obama is leading in states that went Bush in 08, states McCain needs to win to have a prayer and Democrats are registering record numbers of Democrats while Republicans continue to bleed party loyalists...

The Myth of a Toss-up Election
Posted July 19, 2008 | 03:08 PM (EST)



"Too close to call." "Within the margin of error." "A statistical dead heat." If you've been following news coverage of the 2008 presidential election, you're probably familiar with these phrases. Media commentary on the presidential horserace, reflecting the results of a series of new national polls, has strained to make a case for a hotly contested election that is essentially up for grabs.

Signs of Barack Obama's weaknesses allegedly abound. The huge generic Democratic Party advantage is not reflected in the McCain-Obama pairings in national polls. Why, according to the constant refrain, hasn't Obama put this election away? A large number of Clinton supporters in the primaries refuse to commit to Obama. White working class and senior voters tilt decidedly to McCain. Racial resentment limits Obama's support among these two critical voting blocs. Enthusiasm among young voters and African-Americans, two groups strongly attracted to Obama, is waning. McCain is widely seen as better prepared to step up to the responsibilities of commander-in-chief. Blah, blah, blah.

While no election outcome is guaranteed and McCain's prospects could improve over the next three and a half months, virtually all of the evidence that we have reviewed - historical patterns, structural features of this election cycle, and national and state polls conducted over the last several months - points to a comfortable Obama/Democratic party victory in November. Trumpeting this race as a toss-up, almost certain to produce another nail-biter finish, distorts the evidence and does a disservice to readers and viewers who rely upon such punditry.[/B]

Consider the following.

Except for a few days when the Gallup and Rasmussen tracking polls showed a tie, Barack Obama has led John McCain in every national poll in the past two months. Obama's average margin has consistently been in the 4-6 point range during this time. By contrast, the polls in 2000 and 2004 showed much more variation over time.

State polling data have also consistently given Obama the advantage. According to realclearpolitics.com, Obama is currently leading in 26 states and the District of Columbia with a total of 322 electoral votes; McCain is currently leading in 24 states with a total of 216 electoral votes. Obama is leading in every state carried by John Kerry in 2004 along with seven states carried by George Bush: Iowa, New Mexico, Ohio, Indiana, Virginia, Nevada and Colorado.

Obama is leading in 11 of the 12 swing states that were decided by a margin of five points or less in 2004 including five of the six that were carried by George Bush. And while Obama has a comfortable lead in every state that John Kerry won by a margin of more than five points in 2004, McCain is in a difficult battle in a number of states that Bush carried by a margin of more than five points including such solidly red states as Indiana, Montana, North Dakota, Virginia, and North Carolina.

And remember these June and July polls may well understate Obama's eventual margin. Ronald Reagan did not capitalize on the huge structural advantage Republicans enjoyed in 1980 until after the party conventions and presidential debate. It took a while and a sufficient level of comfort with the challenger for anti-Carter votes to translate into support for Reagan. If Obama's performance over the last eighteen months is any guide, a similar pattern is likely to unfold in 2008.

Aside from the horserace results, there is evidence of a growing Democratic Party advantage in the electorate. A recent analysis by Rhodes Cook of voter registration data in 29 states and the District of Columbia that permit registration by party shows that since November of 2004, Democratic registration has increased by almost 700 thousand while Republican registration has declined by almost one million.

Democrats now enjoy a substantial lead over Republicans in voter identification. According to the Gallup Poll, the two parties have gone from near parity four years ago to a 12 point Democratic advantage in the first half of 2008. And polling data continue to show that Democrats are more satisfied with their party's nominee than Republicans voters and more highly motivated to vote. While Republicans normally benefit from higher turnout among their supporters, that may not be the case this year.

In order to defeat Barack Obama, John McCain will have to convince a lot of disgruntled Republicans to turn out and vote for him. But mobilizing the Republican base, a strategy employed successfully by Karl Rove in 2002 and 2004, won't be enough for McCain to win in 2008. He'll also have to convince a majority of independents and a substantial number of Democrats to vote for him. That's a task that proved too difficult even for Rove in the 2006 midterm election and it may be even more difficult in 2008. That's because since 2006 the political environment has gone from bad to worse for Republicans.

It is no exaggeration to say that the political environment this year is one of the worst for a party in the White House in the past sixty years. You have to go all the way back to 1952 to find an election involving the combination of an unpopular president, an unpopular war, and an economy teetering on the brink of recession. 1952 was also the last time the party in power wasn't represented by either the incumbent president or the incumbent vice-president. But the fact that Democrat Harry Truman wasn't on the ballot didn't stop Republican Dwight Eisenhower from inflicting a crushing defeat on Truman's would-be successor, Adlai Stevenson.

Barack Obama is not a national hero like Dwight Eisenhower, and George Bush is certainly no Harry Truman. But if history is any guide, and absent a dramatic change in election fundamentals or an utter collapse of the Obama candidacy, John McCain is likely to suffer the same fate as Adlai Stevenson.

Abramowitz is a professor of political science at Emory University. Mann is a senior fellow at The Brookings Institution. Sabato is a professor of politics at the University of Virginia and director of its Center for Politics.

Huff (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-abramowitz-thomas-e-mann-and-larry-j-sabato/the-myth-of-a-toss-up-ele_b_113827.html)

Cant_Be_Faded
07-23-2008, 12:12 AM
I sure hope your optimism is on point.....This giant, evil, cocksucking, pompous elephant has to go down in flames....I can't seriously imagine 4 more years of republican rule.
The talk of a close contest got me all scared the other day. The elephant must die.

scott
07-23-2008, 12:25 AM
Toss-up elections equal good ratings. I'd expect them so long as television exists.

Anti.Hero
07-23-2008, 12:32 AM
Bigger upset..

Patriots losing or Obama losing???

Nbadan
07-23-2008, 01:49 AM
In case your experiencing de ja vu, your not the only one....

McCain’s Hillary Problem
He’s running her same campaign. And she lost.


Feel free to tell me I’m nuts for asking the question, but doesn’t it seem that, more and more, the McCain campaign is turning into the Clinton campaign?

The comparison smacked me upside the head last week, when the turmoil and melodrama attending the internal functioning—or, rather, dysfunctioning—of the Republican nominee’s organization burst into public view. Just a few days after John McCain had shaken up his operation, demoting his campaign manager Rick Davis and elevating bullet-headed adjutant Steve Schmidt to a position of putative near-total authority, Bill Kristol confidently predicted in his column in the Times that McCain would soon bring consultant Mike Murphy aboard as the campaign’s chief strategist. Kristol wasn’t flat wrong, or so I’m told by a longtime McCain confidant. The Arizona senator did indeed offer the gig to Murphy, who served on McCain’s 2000 primary bid and whose counsel the candidate had been receiving on the down-low for months. But the outcry among McCain’s other advisers, many of whom openly loathe Murphy, was simply too intense. So a little more than 24 hours after Kristol’s column was published, Murphy announced that his reentry wasn’t gonna happen; instead, he would be going to work for MSNBC.

Now, it’s fair to point out that strife is nothing new to McCain campaigns, which tend to be less well-oiled machines than spastic-goat rodeos. Yet it’s hard not to see the similarities between the chaos afflicting McCain-land now and what went on in Clinton-world during the primaries. In the former, like the latter, you have an outfit with no clear lines of authority, rife with elephantine egos and feuding factions that have been at each other’s throats for years, none with the slightest compunction about bearing their animosities (albeit anonymously) in the press. And in McCain, like Clinton, you have a candidate who not only tolerates but seems to encourage an atmosphere of anarchy—and who finds it difficult to fire anyone, no matter how incompetent.

If the commonalities ended here, they would hardly be worth noting. In presidential races, personnel and mechanics matter, but only on the margins. Yet in ways large and small, strategic and tactical, temperamental and attitudinal, the McCain campaign strikes me as having been cut from the same cloth as Hillary Clinton’s. Same story with the candidates themselves, in particular when it comes to their jaundiced perceptions of their rival. For supporters of Barack Obama, this might seem cheery news, since those perceptions led Clinton time and again to misplay her hand. But general elections are very different from primaries—and there are reasons to worry that Clintonianism, taken to its logical (and gruesome) extreme, may serve McCain better than it did the real McCoy.

That Clinton and McCain would run similar races might seem odd. Their ideological differences are severe, and no one sane would ever call Clinton a maverick or McCain a feminist. But it’s also true that they share a view of politics and policy. They venerate the Senate as a noble institution, not as the imagination-deadening, soul-destroying hellhole that it is. They regard legislative experience, forging compromises in the trenches, as formative and indispensable. They see having national-security chops as a sine qua non for sitting in the Oval Office.

It was this conception of politics and the presidency, however, that got Hillary into so much trouble in her battle with Obama. And while McCain largely avoids the rhetorical traps she fell into—the laundry-listy rhetoric, the countless small-bore policy proposals—the thrust of his campaign is much the same as hers was: The emphasis on résumé, the willful avoidance of grappling with the desire for change so evident in the electorate, and, perhaps most problematic, the eschewal of big, bold, animating ideas and grand thematics.

This was not, it should be said, the kind of campaign that McCain and his advisers planned at the outset. Back in the days when McCain was still being guided by John Weaver, the strategist–cum–soul mate who crafted his message in 2000 and then fell out of favor in mid-2007 when McCain’s campaign imploded, the idea had been to run on a handful of sweeping reformist goals—entitlement reform, ethics reform, immigration reform, spending reform, etc.—and position McCain as willing to put country ahead of personal political ambition. How? As reported first by The Atlantic’s Marc Ambinder, when McCain announced his candidacy, he was “inches away” from pledging to serve only one term if elected. “It would have been the most selfless act in modern American politics,” a Republican told Ambinder—and one that would have served as a powerful contrast point in a race against either Clinton or Obama.

But McCain was persuaded at the last minute to abandon the idea by his friends Senator Lindsey Graham and former senator Phil Gramm—just as Clinton was convinced not to run a bolder, more human campaign by the more conservative voices in her sphere. Since then, McCain’s effort, like Clinton’s, has been increasingly poll-driven (offshore oil drilling, anyone?), corporate (the phalanx of lobbyists that surrounds him, robbing him of his reformist cred), and almost entirely lacking any positive vision of what he wants to achieve as president, beyond winning the war in Iraq. Indeed, McCain’s assorted flip-flops, notably regarding his position on the Bush tax cuts, have left him vulnerable to the charge that was ultimately most damaging to Clinton and is even more damaging to him, given his image as a principled straight-talker: that he will say and do anything to win.

NY Mag (http://nymag.com/news/politics/powergrid/48519/)

johnsmith
07-23-2008, 07:36 AM
Ah, so Obama is winning.................another hard hitting thread from Dan.

Extra Stout
07-23-2008, 07:45 AM
fivethirtyeight shows the race as being closer than realclearpolitics does. Where the blowout is, is in the Congressional races. The over/under for Dem Senate seats in the next Congress is 56, and the ballbusting 60 is not out of the picture.

However, the Presidential race is not a blowout. Obama has a comfortable lead right now, but there has been some movement towards McCain of late. With the margins as they are (2 to 6 points), and four months to go, nothing is for certain.

MannyIsGod
07-23-2008, 10:24 PM
fivethirtyeight shows the race as being closer than realclearpolitics does. Where the blowout is, is in the Congressional races. The over/under for Dem Senate seats in the next Congress is 56, and the ballbusting 60 is not out of the picture.

However, the Presidential race is not a blowout. Obama has a comfortable lead right now, but there has been some movement towards McCain of late. With the margins as they are (2 to 6 points), and four months to go, nothing is for certain.

I'm not sure if you've been following Nate's blogging on FiveThirtyEight but he's basicaly said everything that was said above. Its looking like an easy Obama win.

Electoral-vote.com basically has things exactly the same.

MannyIsGod
07-23-2008, 10:28 PM
Also - the way those 2 sites are broken down right now show Obama winning without ANY of Ohio, Virginia, Florida, and Virginia.

That in itself has to be a scary thought for Republicans.

Chris Duel
07-23-2008, 11:07 PM
As I've pointed out before, its still to early to make concrete predictions about how the final numbers will turn up in Nov., but two things are becoming more clear...Obama is leading in states that went Bush in 08, states McCain needs to win to have a prayer and Democrats are registering record numbers of Democrats while Republicans continue to bleed party loyalists...

The Myth of a Toss-up Election
Posted July 19, 2008 | 03:08 PM (EST)




Huff (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-abramowitz-thomas-e-mann-and-larry-j-sabato/the-myth-of-a-toss-up-ele_b_113827.html)



Three Words: Diebold, Florida and Ohio :depressed

Marcus Bryant
07-23-2008, 11:11 PM
In case your experiencing de ja vu, your not the only one....

McCain’s Hillary Problem
He’s running her same campaign. And she lost.



NY Mag (http://nymag.com/news/politics/powergrid/48519/)


She lost a campaign in which a good portion of delegates were chosen by caucuses dominated by party activists well outside the mainstream.

Take away Obama's caucus wins and the picture's a tad bit different.

Marcus Bryant
07-23-2008, 11:11 PM
Three Words: Diebold, Florida and Ohio :depressed

Don't forget to take off the tin foil before you hit the sack.

Nbadan
07-23-2008, 11:26 PM
Marcus likes to claim shit and then not back it up....


CK2_OTtJUT0

Marcus Bryant
07-23-2008, 11:27 PM
Funny, that's your modus operandi.

Anyways, I guess I need to post a YouTube video of three dudes talking in a conference room. "Velvet Revolution"? Is that some kind of 70s gay porn flick?

Nbadan
07-23-2008, 11:32 PM
Perhaps if they were 'just 3 dudes' but they're not....


Here, friends, is some news of vast importance--the beginning of a major lawsuit that will thoroughly expose Bush/Cheney's long conspiracy to steal their "victories" through election fraud.

It is a case of vast historical importance, not just because of what it will reveal about US elections since 2000, but, no less, because it represents the only way that we might actually prevent another stolen race this fall. By shining a bright light, at last, on all the topmost perpetrators of the fraud thus far, this suit will drive them all into defensive mode and, therefore, out of business.

To understand the magnitude of this amazing case, please read Steve Heller's piece, below, about today's press conference in Columbus, Ohio, where attorney Cliff Arnebeck--and whistle-blower Stephen Spoonamore--laid out the case before a number of impressed reporters.

Here are just a few enticing bullet points:

> Stephen Spoonamore is a prominent Republican--who until recently was working for McCain's campaign--and a respected expert on computer fraud.

> Spoonamore has named Mike Connell, a fiercely partisan IT specialist, as Karl Rove's primary instrument for high-tech sabotage throughout the past eight years (at least). A self-proclaimed Bush loyalist (and a fanatical pro-lifer), Connell has been at the scene of every dubious election since 2000 (including the gubernatorial race in Alabama in 2002, when Don Siegelman was "beaten" by Bob Riley).

> Connell has not only been assisting Rove on the >electoral front, but also has full control of the congressional computer system. As Heller reports:

One of the more frightening aspects of Connell's work is that he created the firewall for the U.S. Congressional computer system. Of course, it is completely possible that the firewall could have been created with secret security gaps that can be exploited to hack into any congressional computer. If that has happened, every computer in any senate or congressional office is subject to hacking by Bush/Republican operatives.

(It is quite possible, in fact, that the bizarre timidity of Reid, Pelosi and most other leading Democrats may be explained as a result of BushCo having lots of dirt on all of them--dirt gleaned freely from their emails and other on-line correspondence, all of which may well have been surveilled by Rove's own men.)

Brad Blog (http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6189)

Marcus Bryant
07-23-2008, 11:34 PM
Oh, now it's Brad's Blog. ROFL.

Nbadan
07-23-2008, 11:39 PM
Yeah, back to your own modus operandi of attacking sources when you can't debate the substance of my posts..

:rolleyes


Arnebeck said "We think is an individual who has been at the center of both the use of corporate money to attack state Attorneys General and their elections and candidates for the Supreme Court and their elections in the states, and also in the manipulation of the election process.

"We expressed concern about the reports that Mr. Rove destroyed his emails and suggested that we want the duplicates that should exist under the control of the Secret Service and be sure that those are retained, as well as those on the receiving end in the Justice Department and elsewhere, that those documents are retained for purposes of this litigation, in which we anticipate Mr. Rove will be identified as having engaged in a corrupt, ongoing pattern of corrupt activities specifically affecting the situation here in Ohio."


A leading cyber-security expert and former adviser to Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) says he has fresh evidence regarding election fraud on Diebold electronic voting machines during the 2002 Georgia gubernatorial and senatorial elections.

Stephen Spoonamore is the founder and until recently the CEO of Cybrinth LLC, an information technology policy and security firm that serves Fortune 100 companies. At a little noticed press conference in Columbus, Ohio Thursday, he discussed his investigation of a computer patch that was applied to Diebold Election Systems voting machines in Georgia right before that state's November 2002 election.

Spoonamore is one of the most prominent cyber-security experts in the country. He has appeared on CNN's Lou Dobbs and ABC's World News Tonight, and has security clearances from his work with the intelligence community and other government agencies, as well as the Department of Defense, and is one of the world’s leading authorities on hacking and cyber-espionage.

In 1995, Spoonamore received a civilian citation for his work with the Department of Defense. He was again recognized for his contributions in 2004 by the Department of Homeland Security. Spoonamore is also a registered Republican and until recently was advising the McCain campaign.

Spoonamore received the Diebold patch from a whistleblower close to the office of Cathy Cox, Georgia’s then-Secretary of State. In discussions with RAW STORY, the whistleblower -- who wishes to remain anonymous for fear of retaliation -- said that he became suspicious of Diebold's actions in Georgia for two reasons. The first red flag went up when the computer patch was installed in person by Diebold CEO Bob Urosevich, who flew in from Texas and applied it in just two counties, DeKalb and Fulton, both Democratic strongholds. The source states that Cox was not privy to these changes until after the election and that she became particularly concerned over the patch being installed in just those two counties.

Rawstory (http://rawstory.com//news/2008/Cybersecurity_expert_raises_allegations_of_2004_07 17.html)

Marcus Bryant
07-23-2008, 11:41 PM
When you provide a real source and not what your little brother Brad posted on the internets.

Nbadan
07-23-2008, 11:58 PM
I can provide you as many sources as you'd like...but I have a sneaky feeling that this won't matter to you either...

This documentary exposes the vulnerability of computers - which count approximately 80% of America's votes in county, state and federal elections - suggesting that if our votes aren't safe, then our democracy isn't safe either.«

Hacking Democracy

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=446377686666905...



Dan Rather Reports presents conclusive evidence of the failure of touch screen voting machines across the country. From scientists involved in testing the equipment, to manufacturers in third world countries who shipped these defective voting machines to the United States, Dan Rather Reports presents new information showing that these defective machines may have altered the outcome of multiple elections.«

HDNet's Dan Rather Reports "The Trouble with Touchscreens"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=842426958781397...



The Silent Scream of Numbers

The 2004 election was stolen — will someone please tell the media?
Published on Thursday, April 14, 2005
by Robert C. Koehler

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0414-28.htm


The Biggest Story of Our Lives
05.10.2005
Jim Lampley (ABC sports)

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/index.php...

Marcus Bryant
07-24-2008, 12:02 AM
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Google is clearly in Johnny Mac's camp.

Nbadan
07-24-2008, 12:04 AM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=446377686666905

Google is clearly in Johnny Mac's camp.

:rolleyes

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=hacking+democracy#

Marcus Bryant
07-24-2008, 12:15 AM
Post the right link, numbnuts.

Nbadan
07-24-2008, 12:16 AM
Anyway, back to the original topic...

Economists’ study shows Obama in driver’s seat
1:17:05 PM July 23rd, 2008


A study from an economics analysis company shows that Sen. Barack Obama will win the presidency over Sen. John McCain if current economics persist through to November.

Macroeconomic Advisers LLC says Obama should win 54.8% of the vote to McCain’s 45.2% based on a model that looks at four political factors and three economic criteria. On the political side, the study looks at candidate of the incumbent party, approval rating of the incumbent, party and incumbent party’s term in office. For economics, the study looks at real income growth, unemployment rate and change in energy prices.

Macroeconomic’s president, Chris Varvares says in a press release: “The weak current state of the economy and the sharp rise in energy prices pose a significant headwind to the McCain campaign, if voters weigh these factors similarly to how they have in the past.”

That last phrase may prove to be a critical, though, as several surveys show that voters side with McCain on his call for additional offshore oil drilling while Obama prefers pursuing other forms of energy. Varvares also says the survey doesn’t take into account the political attractiveness of the candidates themselves, or other noneconomic factors.
Yet Macroeconomic says it has predicted the winner 12 of 14 times.
Other economic models have produced similar findings, and that was the subject of a recent MarketWatch column by Washington Bureau Chief Rex Nutting.

Marketwatch (http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/obama-shoo-forecasting-models-say/story.aspx?guid=%7B1662DD33%2DEA15%2D4228%2DA2B5%2 D222A7A95E1B9%7D&dist=msr_1)

Marcus Bryant
07-24-2008, 12:22 AM
http://www.historicaldocuments.com/HarryTrumanIndex.jpg

"Give me a one-armed economist."