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2centsworth
07-24-2008, 09:41 AM
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Print Page: Print (http://javascript<b></b>:print();)David Evans | July 18, 2008

I DEVOTED six years to carbon accounting, building models for the Australian Greenhouse Office. I am the rocket scientist who wrote the carbon accounting model (FullCAM) that measures Australia's compliance with the Kyoto Protocol, in the land use change and forestry sector.
FullCAM models carbon flows in plants, mulch, debris, soils and agricultural products, using inputs such as climate data, plant physiology and satellite data. I've been following the global warming debate closely for years.
When I started that job in 1999 the evidence that carbon emissions caused global warming seemed pretty good: CO2 is a greenhouse gas, the old ice core data, no other suspects.
The evidence was not conclusive, but why wait until we were certain when it appeared we needed to act quickly? Soon government and the scientific community were working together and lots of science research jobs were created. We scientists had political support, the ear of government, big budgets, and we felt fairly important and useful (well, I did anyway). It was great. We were working to save the planet.
But since 1999 new evidence has seriously weakened the case that carbon emissions are the main cause of global warming, and by 2007 the evidence was pretty conclusive that carbon played only a minor role and was not the main cause of the recent global warming. As Lord Keynes famously said, "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?"
There has not been a public debate about the causes of global warming and most of the public and our decision makers are not aware of the most basic salient facts:
1. The greenhouse signature is missing. We have been looking and measuring for years, and cannot find it.
Each possible cause of global warming has a different pattern of where in the planet the warming occurs first and the most. The signature of an increased greenhouse effect is a hot spot about 10km up in the atmosphere over the tropics. We have been measuring the atmosphere for decades using radiosondes: weather balloons with thermometers that radio back the temperature as the balloon ascends through the atmosphere. They show no hot spot. Whatsoever.
If there is no hot spot then an increased greenhouse effect is not the cause of global warming. So we know for sure that carbon emissions are not a significant cause of the global warming. If we had found the greenhouse signature then I would be an alarmist again.
When the signature was found to be missing in 2007 (after the latest IPCC report), alarmists objected that maybe the readings of the radiosonde thermometers might not be accurate and maybe the hot spot was there but had gone undetected. Yet hundreds of radiosondes have given the same answer, so statistically it is not possible that they missed the hot spot.
Recently the alarmists have suggested we ignore the radiosonde thermometers, but instead take the radiosonde wind measurements, apply a theory about wind shear, and run the results through their computers to estimate the temperatures. They then say that the results show that we cannot rule out the presence of a hot spot. If you believe that you'd believe anything.
2. There is no evidence to support the idea that carbon emissions cause significant global warming. None. There is plenty of evidence that global warming has occurred, and theory suggests that carbon emissions should raise temperatures (though by how much is hotly disputed) but there are no observations by anyone that implicate carbon emissions as a significant cause of the recent global warming.
3. The satellites that measure the world's temperature all say that the warming trend ended in 2001, and that the temperature has dropped about 0.6C in the past year (to the temperature of 1980). Land-based temperature readings are corrupted by the "urban heat island" effect: urban areas encroaching on thermometer stations warm the micro-climate around the thermometer, due to vegetation changes, concrete, cars, houses. Satellite data is the only temperature data we can trust, but it only goes back to 1979. NASA reports only land-based data, and reports a modest warming trend and recent cooling. The other three global temperature records use a mix of satellite and land measurements, or satellite only, and they all show no warming since 2001 and a recent cooling.
4. The new ice cores show that in the past six global warmings over the past half a million years, the temperature rises occurred on average 800 years before the accompanying rise in atmospheric carbon. Which says something important about which was cause and which was effect.
None of these points are controversial. The alarmist scientists agree with them, though they would dispute their relevance.
The last point was known and past dispute by 2003, yet Al Gore made his movie in 2005 and presented the ice cores as the sole reason for believing that carbon emissions cause global warming. In any other political context our cynical and experienced press corps would surely have called this dishonest and widely questioned the politician's assertion.
Until now the global warming debate has merely been an academic matter of little interest. Now that it matters, we should debate the causes of global warming.
So far that debate has just consisted of a simple sleight of hand: show evidence of global warming, and while the audience is stunned at the implications, simply assert that it is due to carbon emissions.
In the minds of the audience, the evidence that global warming has occurred becomes conflated with the alleged cause, and the audience hasn't noticed that the cause was merely asserted, not proved.
If there really was any evidence that carbon emissions caused global warming, don't you think we would have heard all about it ad nauseam by now?
The world has spent $50 billion on global warming since 1990, and we have not found any actual evidence that carbon emissions cause global warming. Evidence consists of observations made by someone at some time that supports the idea that carbon emissions cause global warming. Computer models and theoretical calculations are not evidence, they are just theory.
What is going to happen over the next decade as global temperatures continue not to rise? The Labor Government is about to deliberately wreck the economy in order to reduce carbon emissions. If the reasons later turn out to be bogus, the electorate is not going to re-elect a Labor government for a long time. When it comes to light that the carbon scare was known to be bogus in 2008, the ALP is going to be regarded as criminally negligent or ideologically stupid for not having seen through it. And if the Liberals support the general thrust of their actions, they will be seen likewise.
The onus should be on those who want to change things to provide evidence for why the changes are necessary. The Australian public is eventually going to have to be told the evidence anyway, so it might as well be told before wrecking the economy.
Dr David Evans was a consultant to the Australian Greenhouse Office from 1999 to 2005.

xrayzebra
07-24-2008, 09:53 AM
Oh-boy, R-n-R will be devastate, one his own says it isn't the carbon footprints.
But he never comes in to post here anymore possibly lurks. Him and those like him have been disproved in so many ways it is pitiful. There hasn't even been a temp rise in how many years now? But old Algore just keeps plodding along. I swear that man is hitting the bottle. His face is so blotted it is pitiful. I laughed the other day. There were interviewing one of the hurricane experts on TV and ask him if it was global warming causing Dolly. He said emphatically: NO! And said the Pacific ocean had cooled and Atlantic had warmed and that was not unusual.
Something that occurs all the time.

herzlman
07-24-2008, 11:52 AM
Regardless of whether or not global warming is caused by the carbon effect, (incidentally, according to National Geographic, 98% of all scientists believe that it is), reducing carbon emissions and looking for renewable sources of energy is still a good idea.

We need to reduce pollution and find a source of energy that will never run out. Period.

But, of course, if making more money is more important to you than ensuring that we have a cleaner, healthier world and a stable source of energy for our grandchildren, then you go right ahead and complain.

George Gervin's Afro
07-24-2008, 11:54 AM
Regardless of whether or not global warming is caused by the carbon effect, (incidentally, according to National Geographic, 98% of all scientists believe that it is), reducing carbon emissions and looking for renewable sources of energy is still a good idea.

We need to reduce pollution and find a source of energy that will never run out. Period.

But, of course, if making more money is more important to you than ensuring that we have a cleaner, healthier world and a stable source of energy for our grandchildren, then you go right ahead and complain.

Why do you despise capitalism?

sincerely,

Joe conservative

Wild Cobra
07-24-2008, 06:45 PM
What have I been saying all along?

Even the 800 year timeframe!

jochhejaam
07-24-2008, 07:13 PM
(incidentally, according to National Geographic, 98% of all scientists believe that it is)

Couldn't find that, not even on the National Geographic's website search.

Help us out with a link.

2centsworth
07-24-2008, 08:20 PM
Couldn't find that, not even on the National Geographic's website search.

Help us out with a link.

I think he meant according to Al Gore's roomate's cousin's best friend.

xrayzebra
07-24-2008, 09:26 PM
I just gotta ask. Of all these "new" renewable resources. Will any of them get an airplane off the ground? You know like windpower, ethanol, sunlight, even nuclear energy. The only thing I know that will provide enough energy to get plane off the ground is carbon based. Guess all these alternative energy buffs want to ground all the planes in the world.

herzlman
07-30-2008, 12:40 PM
My apologies. When I said 98% of all scientists, I actually DID mean Al Gore's roomate's cousin's best friend.

Like the typical liberal that I am, I made up the figure.

Interestingly enough, here is a link to a National Geographic article about the report on climate change given to the industrialized countries of the world. It was based on reports from over 2,500 scientists from over 130 countries. No doubt they chose the biggest no-nothing crackpots they could find.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1206_041206_global_warming_2.html

xrayzebra
07-30-2008, 01:05 PM
My apologies. When I said 98% of all scientists, I actually DID mean Al Gore's roomate's cousin's best friend.

Like the typical liberal that I am, I made up the figure.

Interestingly enough, here is a link to a National Geographic article about the report on climate change given to the industrialized countries of the world. It was based on reports from over 2,500 scientists from over 130 countries. No doubt they chose the biggest no-nothing crackpots they could find.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1206_041206_global_warming_2.html

And in that article:

A follow-up report by the IPCC released in April 2007 warned that global warming could lead to large-scale food and water shortages and have catastrophic effects on wildlife.


IPCC, weren't they the groups that used flawed data?

2centsworth
07-30-2008, 04:40 PM
And in that article:

A follow-up report by the IPCC released in April 2007 warned that global warming could lead to large-scale food and water shortages and have catastrophic effects on wildlife.


IPCC, weren't they the groups that used flawed data?

So we know for sure that carbon emissions are not a significant cause of the global warming. If we had found the greenhouse signature then I would be an alarmist again.
When the signature was found to be missing in 2007 (after the latest IPCC report), alarmists objected that maybe the readings of the radiosonde thermometers might not be accurate and maybe the hot spot was there but had gone undetected.

McFudpucker
07-30-2008, 05:07 PM
More snark from the Onion.

http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/gore_article_large.article_large.jpg
EARTH—Former vice president Al Gore—who for the past three decades has unsuccessfully attempted to warn humanity of the coming destruction of our planet, only to be mocked and derided by the very people he has tried to save—launched his infant son into space Monday in the faint hope that his only child would reach the safety of another world.

"I tried to warn them, but the Elders of this planet would not listen," said Gore, who in 2000 was nearly banished to a featureless realm of nonexistence for promoting his unpopular message. "They called me foolish and laughed at my predictions. Yet even now, the Midwest is flooded, the ice caps are melting, and the cities are rocked with tremors, just as I foretold. Fools! Why didn't they heed me before it was too late?"

Al Gore—or, as he is known in his own language, Gore-Al—placed his son, Kal-Al, gently in the one-passenger rocket ship, his brow furrowed by the great weight he carried in preserving the sole survivor of humanity's hubristic folly.

"There is nothing left now but to ensure that my infant son does not meet the same fate as the rest of my doomed race," Gore said. "I will send him to a new planet, where he will, I hope, be raised by simple but kindly country folk and grow up to be a hero and protector to his adopted home."

(More below the fold) (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/al_gore_places_infant_son_in?utm_source=onion_rss_ daily)

Anti.Hero
07-30-2008, 05:47 PM
This is bullshit! Quick! Get my jet and limo ready and waiting! We shall set out for another world tour to inform my sh..citizens of the world!

What's that? You say jet fuel is becoming too expensive? Ha! Sell some more of my carbon credits my good man.

Wild Cobra
07-30-2008, 06:39 PM
So we know for sure that carbon emissions are not a significant cause of the global warming. If we had found the greenhouse signature then I would be an alarmist again.

Sort of. Carbon comes in many forms. We know that in the form of CO2 that it has at most, about 30% of the low end effect predicted by the IPCC. Soot is still covering the norther ice from the coal burning in Asia. They don't use clean burning technology like we have gone to. This is making the ice melt at alarming rates during the northern summer. While this isn't direct global warming, the northern waters then absorb more solar heat. This action is significant compared to CO2.



When the signature was found to be missing in 2007 (after the latest IPCC report), alarmists objected that maybe the readings of the radiosonde thermometers might not be accurate and maybe the hot spot was there but had gone undetected.

Sounds like they are just making excuses.

Cry Havoc
07-30-2008, 08:33 PM
I just gotta ask. Of all these "new" renewable resources. Will any of them get an airplane off the ground? You know like windpower, ethanol, sunlight, even nuclear energy. The only thing I know that will provide enough energy to get plane off the ground is carbon based. Guess all these alternative energy buffs want to ground all the planes in the world.

Yeah, because obviously carbon-based fossil fuels generate more energy than nuclear fusion reactors. :rollin

Phenomanul
07-30-2008, 08:58 PM
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Mr. Peabody
07-30-2008, 10:48 PM
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Phenomanul
07-31-2008, 08:30 AM
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