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peewee's lovechild
07-24-2008, 01:55 PM
OBAMA SPEECH TRANSCRIPT:
Remarks of Senator Barack Obama (as prepared for delivery)

"A World that Stands as One"

July 24th, 2008

Berlin, Germany


Thank you to the citizens of Berlin and to the people of Germany. Let me thank Chancellor Merkel and Foreign Minister Steinmeier for welcoming me earlier today. Thank you Mayor Wowereit, the Berlin Senate, the police, and most of all thank you for this welcome.


I come to Berlin as so many of my countrymen have come before. Tonight, I speak to you not as a candidate for President, but as a citizen - a proud citizen of the United States, and a fellow citizen of the world.


I know that I don't look like the Americans who've previously spoken in this great city. The journey that led me here is improbable. My mother was born in the heartland of America, but my father grew up herding goats in Kenya. His father - my grandfather - was a cook, a domestic servant to the British.


At the height of the Cold War, my father decided, like so many others in the forgotten corners of the world, that his yearning - his dream - required the freedom and opportunity promised by the West. And so he wrote letter after letter to universities all across America until somebody, somewhere answered his prayer for a better life.


That is why I'm here. And you are here because you too know that yearning. This city, of all cities, knows the dream of freedom. And you know that the only reason we stand here tonight is because men and women from both of our nations came together to work, and struggle, and sacrifice for that better life.

Ours is a partnership that truly began sixty years ago this summer, on the day when the first American plane touched down at Templehof.


On that day, much of this continent still lay in ruin. The rubble of this city had yet to be built into a wall. The Soviet shadow had swept across Eastern Europe, while in the West, America, Britain, and France took stock of their losses, and pondered how the world might be remade.


This is where the two sides met. And on the twenty-fourth of June, 1948, the Communists chose to blockade the western part of the city. They cut off food and supplies to more than two million Germans in an effort to extinguish the last flame of freedom in Berlin.


The size of our forces was no match for the much larger Soviet Army. And yet retreat would have allowed Communism to march across Europe. Where the last war had ended, another World War could have easily begun. All that stood in the way was Berlin.


And that's when the airlift began - when the largest and most unlikely rescue in history brought food and hope to the people of this city.


The odds were stacked against success. In the winter, a heavy fog filled the sky above, and many planes were forced to turn back without dropping off the needed supplies. The streets where we stand were filled with hungry families who had no comfort from the cold.


But in the darkest hours, the people of Berlin kept the flame of hope burning. The people of Berlin refused to give up. And on one fall day, hundreds of thousands of Berliners came here, to the Tiergarten, and heard the city's mayor implore the world not to give up on freedom. "There is only one possibility," he said. "For us to stand together united until this battle is won...The people of Berlin have spoken. We have done our duty, and we will keep on doing our duty. People of the world: now do your duty...People of the world, look at Berlin!"


People of the world - look at Berlin!

Look at Berlin, where Germans and Americans learned to work together and trust each other less than three years after facing each other on the field of battle.


Look at Berlin, where the determination of a people met the generosity of the Marshall Plan and created a German miracle; where a victory over tyranny gave rise to NATO, the greatest alliance ever formed to defend our common security.


Look at Berlin, where the bullet holes in the buildings and the somber stones and pillars near the Brandenburg Gate insist that we never forget our common humanity.


People of the world - look at Berlin, where a wall came down, a continent came together, and history proved that there is no challenge too great for a world that stands as one.


Sixty years after the airlift, we are called upon again. History has led us to a new crossroad, with new promise and new peril. When you, the German people, tore down that wall - a wall that divided East and West; freedom and tyranny; fear and hope - walls came tumbling down around the world. From Kiev to Cape Town, prison camps were closed, and the doors of democracy were opened. Markets opened too, and the spread of information and technology reduced barriers to opportunity and prosperity. While the 20th century taught us that we share a common destiny, the 21st has revealed a world more intertwined than at any time in human history.


The fall of the Berlin Wall brought new hope. But that very closeness has given rise to new dangers - dangers that cannot be contained within the borders of a country or by the distance of an ocean.


The terrorists of September 11th plotted in Hamburg and trained in Kandahar and Karachi before killing thousands from all over the globe on American soil.


As we speak, cars in Boston and factories in Beijing are melting the ice caps in the Arctic, shrinking coastlines in the Atlantic, and bringing drought to farms from Kansas to Kenya.


Poorly secured nuclear material in the former Soviet Union, or secrets from a scientist in Pakistan could help build a bomb that detonates in Paris. The poppies in Afghanistan become the heroin in Berlin. The poverty and violence in Somalia breeds the terror of tomorrow. The genocide in Darfur shames the conscience of us all.

In this new world, such dangerous currents have swept along faster than our efforts to contain them. That is why we cannot afford to be divided. No one nation, no matter how large or powerful, can defeat such challenges alone. None of us can deny these threats, or escape responsibility in meeting them. Yet, in the absence of Soviet tanks and a terrible wall, it has become easy to forget this truth. And if we're honest with each other, we know that sometimes, on both sides of the Atlantic, we have drifted apart, and forgotten our shared destiny.


In Europe, the view that America is part of what has gone wrong in our world, rather than a force to help make it right, has become all too common. In America, there are voices that deride and deny the importance of Europe's role in our security and our future. Both views miss the truth - that Europeans today are bearing new burdens and taking more responsibility in critical parts of the world; and that just as American bases built in the last century still help to defend the security of this continent, so does our country still sacrifice greatly for freedom around the globe.


Yes, there have been differences between America and Europe. No doubt, there will be differences in the future. But the burdens of global citizenship continue to bind us together. A change of leadership in Washington will not lift this burden. In this new century, Americans and Europeans alike will be required to do more - not less. Partnership and cooperation among nations is not a choice; it is the one way, the only way, to protect our common security and advance our common humanity.


That is why the greatest danger of all is to allow new walls to divide us from one another.

The walls between old allies on either side of the Atlantic cannot stand. The walls between the countries with the most and those with the least cannot stand. The walls between races and tribes; natives and immigrants; Christian and Muslim and Jew cannot stand. These now are the walls we must tear down.


We know they have fallen before. After centuries of strife, the people of Europe have formed a Union of promise and prosperity. Here, at the base of a column built to mark victory in war, we meet in the center of a Europe at peace. Not only have walls come down in Berlin, but they have come down in Belfast, where Protestant and Catholic found a way to live together; in the Balkans, where our Atlantic alliance ended wars and brought savage war criminals to justice; and in South Africa, where the struggle of a courageous people defeated apartheid.


So history reminds us that walls can be torn down. But the task is never easy. True partnership and true progress requires constant work and sustained sacrifice. They require sharing the burdens of development and diplomacy; of progress and peace. They require allies who will listen to each other, learn from each other and, most of all, trust each other.


That is why America cannot turn inward. That is why Europe cannot turn inward. America has no better partner than Europe. Now is the time to build new bridges across the globe as strong as the one that bound us across the Atlantic. Now is the time to join together, through constant cooperation, strong institutions, shared sacrifice, and a global commitment to progress, to meet the challenges of the 21st century. It was this spirit that led airlift planes to appear in the sky above our heads, and people to assemble where we stand today. And this is the moment when our nations - and all nations - must summon that spirit anew.


This is the moment when we must defeat terror and dry up the well of extremism that supports it. This threat is real and we cannot shrink from our responsibility to combat it. If we could create NATO to face down the Soviet Union, we can join in a new and global partnership to dismantle the networks that have struck in Madrid and Amman; in London and Bali; in Washington and New York. If we could win a battle of ideas against the communists, we can stand with the vast majority of Muslims who reject the extremism that leads to hate instead of hope.


This is the moment when we must renew our resolve to rout the terrorists who threaten our security in Afghanistan, and the traffickers who sell drugs on your streets. No one welcomes war. I recognize the enormous difficulties in Afghanistan. But my country and yours have a stake in seeing that NATO's first mission beyond Europe's borders is a success. For the people of Afghanistan, and for our shared security, the work must be done. America cannot do this alone. The Afghan people need our troops and your troops; our support and your support to defeat the Taliban and al Qaeda, to develop their economy, and to help them rebuild their nation. We have too much at stake to turn back now.


This is the moment when we must renew the goal of a world without nuclear weapons. The two superpowers that faced each other across the wall of this city came too close too often to destroying all we have built and all that we love. With that wall gone, we need not stand idly by and watch the further spread of the deadly atom. It is time to secure all loose nuclear materials; to stop the spread of nuclear weapons; and to reduce the arsenals from another era. This is the moment to begin the work of seeking the peace of a world without nuclear weapons.


This is the moment when every nation in Europe must have the chance to choose its own tomorrow free from the shadows of yesterday. In this century, we need a strong European Union that deepens the security and prosperity of this continent, while extending a hand abroad. In this century - in this city of all cities - we must reject the Cold War mind-set of the past, and resolve to work with Russia when we can, to stand up for our values when we must, and to seek a partnership that extends across this entire continent.


This is the moment when we must build on the wealth that open markets have created, and share its benefits more equitably. Trade has been a cornerstone of our growth and global development. But we will not be able to sustain this growth if it favors the few, and not the many. Together, we must forge trade that truly rewards the work that creates wealth, with meaningful protections for our people and our planet. This is the moment for trade that is free and fair for all.


This is the moment we must help answer the call for a new dawn in the Middle East. My country must stand with yours and with Europe in sending a direct message to Iran that it must abandon its nuclear ambitions. We must support the Lebanese who have marched and bled for democracy, and the Israelis and Palestinians who seek a secure and lasting peace. And despite past differences, this is the moment when the world should support the millions of Iraqis who seek to rebuild their lives, even as we pass responsibility to the Iraqi government and finally bring this war to a close.


This is the moment when we must come together to save this planet. Let us resolve that we will not leave our children a world where the oceans rise and famine spreads and terrible storms devastate our lands. Let us resolve that all nations - including my own - will act with the same seriousness of purpose as has your nation, and reduce the carbon we send into our atmosphere. This is the moment to give our children back their future. This is the moment to stand as one.

And this is the moment when we must give hope to those left behind in a globalized world. We must remember that the Cold War born in this city was not a battle for land or treasure. Sixty years ago, the planes that flew over Berlin did not drop bombs; instead they delivered food, and coal, and candy to grateful children. And in that show of solidarity, those pilots won more than a military victory. They won hearts and minds; love and loyalty and trust - not just from the people in this city, but from all those who heard the story of what they did here.


Now the world will watch and remember what we do here - what we do with this moment. Will we extend our hand to the people in the forgotten corners of this world who yearn for lives marked by dignity and opportunity; by security and justice? Will we lift the child in Bangladesh from poverty, shelter the refugee in Chad, and banish the scourge of AIDS in our time?


Will we stand for the human rights of the dissident in Burma, the blogger in Iran, or the voter in Zimbabwe? Will we give meaning to the words "never again" in Darfur?


Will we acknowledge that there is no more powerful example than the one each of our nations projects to the world? Will we reject torture and stand for the rule of law? Will we welcome immigrants from different lands, and shun discrimination against those who don't look like us or worship like we do, and keep the promise of equality and opportunity for all of our people?


People of Berlin - people of the world - this is our moment. This is our time.


I know my country has not perfected itself. At times, we've struggled to keep the promise of liberty and equality for all of our people. We've made our share of mistakes, and there are times when our actions around the world have not lived up to our best intentions.


But I also know how much I love America. I know that for more than two centuries, we have strived - at great cost and great sacrifice - to form a more perfect union; to seek, with other nations, a more hopeful world. Our allegiance has never been to any particular tribe or kingdom - indeed, every language is spoken in our country; every culture has left its imprint on ours; every point of view is expressed in our public squares. What has always united us - what has always driven our people; what drew my father to America's shores - is a set of ideals that speak to aspirations shared by all people: that we can live free from fear and free from want; that we can speak our minds and assemble with whomever we choose and worship as we please.


These are the aspirations that joined the fates of all nations in this city. These aspirations are bigger than anything that drives us apart. It is because of these aspirations that the airlift began. It is because of these aspirations that all free people - everywhere - became citizens of Berlin. It is in pursuit of these aspirations that a new generation - our generation - must make our mark on the world.


People of Berlin - and people of the world - the scale of our challenge is great. The road ahead will be long. But I come before you to say that we are heirs to a struggle for freedom. We are a people of improbable hope. With an eye toward the future, with resolve in our hearts, let us remember this history, and answer our destiny, and remake the world once again.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/24/obama-in-berlin-video-of_n_114771.html

peewee's lovechild
07-24-2008, 01:55 PM
The link has the video of the speech.

peewee's lovechild
07-24-2008, 01:57 PM
I have to admit, that was a great speech.

If ever I may have been swayed to vote for Barack Obama, it would have been because of that speech.

I still don't know who will get my vote.

Oh, Gee!!
07-24-2008, 01:59 PM
I know my country has not perfected itself. At times, we've struggled to keep the promise of liberty and equality for all of our people. We've made our share of mistakes, and there are times when our actions around the world have not lived up to our best intentions.

move to russia then

peewee's lovechild
07-24-2008, 02:06 PM
move to russia then

I've never understood people like you.

If you can't admit to mistakes made in the past, then how the hell can you possibly become an effective leader.

Since when has it become unpatriotic to admit that our country has made mistakes?

Oh, Gee!!
07-24-2008, 02:13 PM
since a democrat said it.

DarrinS
07-24-2008, 02:16 PM
He has a good speech writer.

Mr. Peabody
07-24-2008, 02:19 PM
He has a good speech writer.

It makes you wonder why Bush and McCain don't avail themselves of the same....

xrayzebra
07-24-2008, 02:22 PM
His speech was a joke. He is such an arrogant prick. I speak to you as a citizen, not as a candidate, you gotta be kidding me. A proud American citizen, but as a citizen of the world. My God! The oceans are a rising and the ice caps are a meltin. Would someone ask him how that is possible. Barry is a joke. He along with the rest of his "subjects" "citizens of the world" are going to change the world. How, when and where? He forgot to answer those questions. I guess with Hope and Change.

DarrinS
07-24-2008, 02:23 PM
Actually, I thought it was a good speech until I stumbled upon this little gem,



As we speak, cars in Boston and factories in Beijing are melting the ice caps in the Arctic, shrinking coastlines in the Atlantic, and bringing drought to farms from Kansas to Kenya.



:rolleyes

Oh, Gee!!
07-24-2008, 02:24 PM
Xray shoulda given that speech instead.

Mr. Peabody
07-24-2008, 02:30 PM
His speech was a joke. He is such an arrogant prick. I speak to you as a citizen, not as a candidate, you gotta be kidding me. A proud American citizen, but as a citizen of the world. My God! The oceans are a rising and the ice caps are a meltin. Would someone ask him how that is possible. Barry is a joke. He along with the rest of his "subjects" "citizens of the world" are going to change the world. How, when and where? He forgot to answer those questions. I guess with Hope and Change.

Yes, his speech was a joke. Meanwhile, McCain speaking in front of the sausage restaurant in Ohio and the cheese aisle in the grocery store was the epitome of presidential stature.

DarrinS
07-24-2008, 02:30 PM
Uggh, and another one.

This GW crap is ruining an otherwise beautiful speech (at least for me).



This is the moment when we must come together to save this planet. Let us resolve that we will not leave our children a world where the oceans rise and famine spreads and terrible storms devastate our lands. Let us resolve that all nations - including my own - will act with the same seriousness of purpose as has your nation, and reduce the carbon we send into our atmosphere. This is the moment to give our children back their future. This is the moment to stand as one.

Mr. Peabody
07-24-2008, 02:31 PM
Xray shoulda given that speech instead.

You damn Germans get off my lawn....!

2centsworth
07-24-2008, 02:33 PM
speech was very liberal and without substance. We need to fight terror without without violence. We would like everyone to be economically equal. Carbon emissions is a cause of global warming and it's man-made, we need to regulate commerce. Thank goodness we defeated the Soviets, now we can implement what marxism was meant to be, government regulation so that everyone is equal, except for the politicians of course.

xrayzebra
07-24-2008, 02:41 PM
I see all the Messiah's apologist in good form, as usual. I guess they hope things will change. Just remember what the Messiah's teacher said: God D@mm America. And he was raised by a white person who feared blacks.

Mr. Peabody
07-24-2008, 02:44 PM
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2008-07-24-crowds.jpg

vs.

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2008-07-24-mccaincheese2.jpg

:toast

DarrinS
07-24-2008, 02:45 PM
Yes, his speech was a joke. Meanwhile, McCain speaking in front of the sausage restaurant in Ohio and the cheese aisle in the grocery store was the epitome of presidential stature.


The sad truth is, McCain is a shitty candidate.

Mr. Peabody
07-24-2008, 02:45 PM
And he was raised by a white person who feared blacks.

He was raised by a Republican...?

Marcus Bryant
07-24-2008, 02:48 PM
Yes, his speech was a joke. Meanwhile, McCain speaking in front of the sausage restaurant in Ohio and the cheese aisle in the grocery store was the epitome of presidential stature.

In which location is a candidate likely to run into a potential voter?

Mr. Peabody
07-24-2008, 02:49 PM
The sad truth is, McCain is a shitty candidate.

He's not a bad candidate, he's just run a terrible campaign so far. His advisers haven't had him really stand out in any forum yet.

Mr. Peabody
07-24-2008, 02:51 PM
In which location is a candidate likely to run into a potential voter?

In politics, you get more bang for your buck from millions seeing you on TV as opposed to fifty seeing you as they're buying sandwich meat.

peewee's lovechild
07-24-2008, 02:51 PM
In which location is a candidate likely to run into a potential voter?

Cheese, sausage, and orange juice don't vote.

DarrinS
07-24-2008, 02:52 PM
He's not a bad candidate, he's just run a terrible campaign so far. His advisers haven't had him really stand out in any forum yet.


They need to get him the hell out of the lunch meat isle.

Mr. Peabody
07-24-2008, 02:52 PM
Cheese, sausage, and orange juice don't vote.

:lol

Marcus Bryant
07-24-2008, 02:53 PM
Cheese, sausage, and orange juice don't vote.

The people who buy them do.

xrayzebra
07-24-2008, 02:53 PM
He was raised by a Republican...?

No, in the Messiah's own words. "A typical white woman".

Although after seeing her Grandson in action, she may now be a Republican.:lol

I mean after all a bus running over you does hurt.

peewee's lovechild
07-24-2008, 02:54 PM
In politics, you get more bang for your buck from millions seeing you on TV as opposed to fifty seeing you as they're buying sandwich meat.

Nevermind that the current state of our foreign relations has deteriorated and that speaking to our allies instead of dismissing them is actually a smart thing to do to win votes.

Marcus Bryant
07-24-2008, 02:55 PM
I think most Americans could give two flips about Obama's globetrotting. I guess he fed the German crowd with five fish and five leaven loaves or whatever.

peewee's lovechild
07-24-2008, 02:56 PM
The people who buy them do.

The people who watch the news do as well.

And, there were millions that tuned in to listen to his speech.

100 people at a sausage restaurant/grocery vs. millions of people tuning in to watch a speech . . . hmmmmm, I wonder which candidate reached the most voters?

Mr. Peabody
07-24-2008, 02:57 PM
The people who buy them do.

You're right. McCain speaking in front of the Oscar Mayer aisle will have more impact on the election than Obama's speech in front of 200,000 Europeans. :toast

Marcus Bryant
07-24-2008, 02:57 PM
The people who watch the news do as well.

And, there were millions that tuned in to listen to his speech.

100 people at a sausage restaurant/grocery vs. millions of people tuning in to watch a speech . . . hmmmmm, I wonder which candidate reached the most voters?

And amazingly, both will be shown on the news today, tomorrow, the day after, and so on.

peewee's lovechild
07-24-2008, 02:58 PM
I think most Americans could give two flips about Obama's globetrotting. I guess he fed the German crowd with five fish and five leaven loaves or whatever.

Would you feel the same way about McCain globetrotting?

Youd be all over that like Larry Craig in a gay bathroom stall.

Oh, Gee!!
07-24-2008, 02:58 PM
And amazingly, both will be shown on the news today, tomorrow, the day after, and so on.

and only one will be ridiculed....by smart people.

Mr. Peabody
07-24-2008, 02:58 PM
And amazingly, both will be shown on the news today, tomorrow, the day after, and so on.

You are right about that. McCain in the dairy aisle was shown on The Daily Show last night....

Marcus Bryant
07-24-2008, 02:58 PM
You're right. McCain speaking in front of the Oscar Mayer aisle will have more impact on the election than Obama's speech in front of 200,000 Europeans. :toast

Neither will matter. You don't still believe in politics, do you?

peewee's lovechild
07-24-2008, 02:59 PM
And amazingly, both will be shown on the news today, tomorrow, the day after, and so on.

Check back with me when you see which one gets more airplay.



You sound pretty dense right now.

Marcus Bryant
07-24-2008, 02:59 PM
and only one will be ridiculed

Ridiculing kept GWB out of the White House.

Marcus Bryant
07-24-2008, 02:59 PM
Check back with me when you see which one gets more airplay.



You sound pretty dense right now.

:yawn And you remain incredibly stupid.

clambake
07-24-2008, 02:59 PM
is it his fault that america looks at the past 8 years and says "damn, i'm votin for the black dude this time".

peewee's lovechild
07-24-2008, 03:00 PM
Neither will matter.

Ha.

You can stop posting now.

Marcus Bryant
07-24-2008, 03:00 PM
Ha.

You can stop posting now.

Nah, I'll do what I want, kiddo.

Oh, Gee!!
07-24-2008, 03:00 PM
Marcus sure protests a little too much. sounds scared to me.

Marcus Bryant
07-24-2008, 03:02 PM
Scared? rofl. I'm not the one jizzing myself over a presidential candidate.

Mr. Peabody
07-24-2008, 03:02 PM
Marcus sure protests a little too much. sounds scared to me.

He's protesting to demonstrate how much he doesn't care.

peewee's lovechild
07-24-2008, 03:03 PM
:yawn And you remain incredibly stupid.

http://www.drudgereport.com/

http://www.foxnews.com/

http://www.cnn.com/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

I gave you two right leaning websites, one left leaning website, and one that's supposedly neutral.

Tell me what's on the front page.

And, then, if you can, tell me where you can find McCain doing his sausage talk.

peewee's lovechild
07-24-2008, 03:03 PM
FoxNews even has a PDF of Obama's speech!!!

peewee's lovechild
07-24-2008, 03:04 PM
Nah, I'll do what I want, kiddo.

Continue sounding like a moron, then.

Marcus Bryant
07-24-2008, 03:04 PM
OK, I was wrong. Obama is the chosen one, the Messiah. He'll really make a difference. At first I thought you guys were way too sensitive about him, but I've seen the light.

Marcus Bryant
07-24-2008, 03:04 PM
Continue sounding like a moron, then.

Nah, I'll never sound like you.

peewee's lovechild
07-24-2008, 03:05 PM
Nah, I'll never sound like you.

Which means you'll never have a semblance of intelligence.

But, that's okay.

Stupid people are needed in this world too.

peewee's lovechild
07-24-2008, 03:06 PM
I like how Marcus Bryant hasn't checked out the websites I've told him to check out.

Coward.

Marcus Bryant
07-24-2008, 03:06 PM
Which means you'll never have a semblance of intelligence.

But, that's okay.

Stupid people are needed in this world too.

ROFL. Yes, your intellect is mighty.

2centsworth
07-24-2008, 03:07 PM
FoxNews even has a PDF of Obama's speech!!!

the speech was freakin lame. Dude would be a great horoscope writer.

Marcus Bryant
07-24-2008, 03:07 PM
I like how Marcus Bryant hasn't checked out the websites I've told him to check out.

Coward.

Sorry, I'll check out what I feel like when I feel like it, little one.

Oh, Gee!!
07-24-2008, 03:08 PM
****Internet Tough Guy Alert****

clambake
07-24-2008, 03:08 PM
mccain, just now, found out how much a gallon of milk cost.

Marcus Bryant
07-24-2008, 03:09 PM
The Messiah is neck and neck with some old corpse the GOP's base doesn't really want. I guess it'll be Diebold's fault when the same old result happens.

2centsworth
07-24-2008, 03:09 PM
****Internet Tough Guy Alert****

that would be Peewee.

Marcus Bryant
07-24-2008, 03:09 PM
****Internet Tough Guy Alert****

Yeah, most of you seem to be vying for that title.

peewee's lovechild
07-24-2008, 03:09 PM
Sorry, I'll check out what I feel like when I feel like it, little one.

But, but . . . you said Obama speaking to thousands in Europe had the same affect as McCain speaking to sausages.

You said they would both have the same coverage.

Check it out.

Check to see if you're right in all your great wisdom.

We all want to bask in your great intelligence.

clambake
07-24-2008, 03:09 PM
The Messiah is neck and neck with some old corpse the GOP's base doesn't really want. I guess it'll be Diebold's fault when the same old result happens.

then why are you so upset?

peewee's lovechild
07-24-2008, 03:10 PM
The Messiah is neck and neck with some old corpse the GOP's base doesn't really want. I guess it'll be Diebold's fault when the same old result happens.

And, if cottage cheese could vote, McCain would win in a landslide.

Marcus Bryant
07-24-2008, 03:11 PM
But, but . . . you said Obama speaking to thousands in Europe had the same affect as McCain speaking to sausages.

You said they would both have the same coverage.

Check it out.

Check to see if you're right in all your great wisdom.

We all want to bask in your great intelligence.


Both candidates get plenty of coverage every day, a fact you do not seem able to grasp.

Oh, Gee!!
07-24-2008, 03:11 PM
reminds me, gotta pick up milk on the way home

Marcus Bryant
07-24-2008, 03:11 PM
And, if cottage cheese could vote, McCain would win in a landslide.

The people who eat cottage cheese (ie the old) will probably vote for McCain.

Marcus Bryant
07-24-2008, 03:12 PM
then why are you so upset?

I'm not.

peewee's lovechild
07-24-2008, 03:13 PM
that would be Peewee.




Galatians 5:19-21

19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

I hope you don't vote for McCain because he violates some of the things that are quoted in the text you seem to love so much.

Mr. Peabody
07-24-2008, 03:13 PM
reminds me, gotta pick up milk on the way home

I knew you were a Republican....:ihit

clambake
07-24-2008, 03:13 PM
I'm not.

then, where does mccain stand on yogurt?

peewee's lovechild
07-24-2008, 03:14 PM
Both candidates get plenty of coverage every day, a fact you do not seem able to grasp.

Is McCain on the front pages of the websites I provided for you?

(particularly FoxNews and Drudge Report)

Mr. Peabody
07-24-2008, 03:15 PM
then, where does mccain stand on yogurt?

Plain only. The fruit tends accumulate in his left cheek.

peewee's lovechild
07-24-2008, 03:16 PM
then, where does mccain stand on yogurt?

Fuck that, I want to know what his stance on beans is.

This is of interest to me.

clambake
07-24-2008, 03:16 PM
he bypassed the pasta. does he hate italians?

Marcus Bryant
07-24-2008, 03:19 PM
Is McCain on the front pages of the websites I provided for you?

(particularly FoxNews and Drudge Report)

Oh, yes, thank you for providing websites for me.

peewee's lovechild
07-24-2008, 03:19 PM
Oh, yes, thank you for providing websites for me.

You're a man of integrity.

It shows.

Marcus Bryant
07-24-2008, 03:20 PM
Obviously you are since you provided some urls. Impressive.

peewee's lovechild
07-24-2008, 03:22 PM
Obviously you are since you provided some urls. Impressive.

Nice.

Dodging suits you just fine.

clambake
07-24-2008, 03:23 PM
don't sweat it, marcus. when mccain eats sausage he thinks he's in germany.

Marcus Bryant
07-24-2008, 03:24 PM
Nice.

Dodging suits you just fine.

So does a healthy skepticism of politicians. Maybe when you stop believing in Santa Claus you'll figure it out.

peewee's lovechild
07-24-2008, 03:29 PM
So does a healthy skepticism of politicians. Maybe when you stop believing in Santa Claus you'll figure it out.

:lmao:lmao

speaking in front of sausage = speaking to a crowd of thousands

:lmao:lmao

:rollin

Marcus Bryant
07-24-2008, 03:32 PM
For most Americans, it probably does.

:lol at believing in a politician.

peewee's lovechild
07-24-2008, 03:34 PM
McCain was at the world renowned "Schmidt's Sausage Haus"!!!!!!!!

http://www.schmidthaus.com/index.html

:lmao

Marcus Bryant
07-24-2008, 03:35 PM
Whoa. I guess sausage excites you.

peewee's lovechild
07-24-2008, 03:36 PM
John McCain is still playing catch up to Barack Obama.

As the Illinois Democrat speaks before the picturesque Victory Column in Berlin today, the Arizona Republican is doing a slightly less exciting form of German outreach. He is having a lunch meeting with small business leaders at a German restaurant in German Village, Columbus, Ohio.

The presidential race, it seems has boiled down to who has the greatest German appeal. McCain's appearance at Schmidts' restaurant, a "Sausage Haus" comes after the RNC launched several advertisements in towns named Berlin.

Among the items he may have ordered include: Sauerkraut-Bratwurst Balls, Hoffbrau Schnitzel, or the Bratwurst, voted the "Best Wurst" by Columbus Monthly.


Vote for McCain!!!!!

peewee's lovechild
07-24-2008, 03:37 PM
Whoa. I guess sausage excites you.

Apparently, it excites McCain quite a bit.

:lol

angel_luv
07-24-2008, 03:42 PM
He has a good speech writer.

:lol
I was going to say...

peewee's lovechild
07-24-2008, 03:48 PM
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5356/20080724mccaincheese3jr0.jpg


http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7301/20080724mccain1cheesekd0.jpg


http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9238/20080724mccaincheese2xq2.jpg

peewee's lovechild
07-24-2008, 03:49 PM
A great crowd gathered for one of McCain's speeches:

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7415/20080724crowdjb8.jpg

clambake
07-24-2008, 03:51 PM
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5356/20080724mccaincheese3jr0.jpg


http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7301/20080724mccain1cheesekd0.jpg


http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9238/20080724mccaincheese2xq2.jpg

he's the only one there. people can't afford to buy groceries.

JoeChalupa
07-24-2008, 04:09 PM
Good speech.

Most Americans already believe McCain can cut the cheese as Commander in Chief.

Aggie Hoopsfan
07-24-2008, 05:57 PM
We are fucked no matter who wins president this year, but we'll be more fucked if it's Obama.

nsrammstein
07-24-2008, 06:08 PM
I forgot that Germans could vote in US elections, I like McCain he does not need to give speeches to people who can't even vote, instead he decides to give a speech in a small american town.

clambake
07-24-2008, 06:15 PM
I forgot that Germans could vote in US elections, I like McCain he does not need to give speeches to people who can't even vote, instead he decides to give a speech in a small american town.

not to mention that germans, or any others would never flock to hear mccain.

the WORLD is looking for change.

Wild Cobra
07-24-2008, 06:16 PM
Is Germany one of the 57 states?

clambake
07-24-2008, 06:24 PM
Is Germany one of the 57 states?

no, but everyone is looking at this election.

you can thank bush for obama's popularity. :toast

Mr. Peabody
07-24-2008, 07:52 PM
I forgot that Germans could vote in US elections, I like McCain he does not need to give speeches to people who can't even vote, instead he decides to give a speech in a small american town.

He didn't decide to speak in a small American town. He was scheduled to speak from an oil rig to promote more off-shore drilling. Unfortunately for him, there was an oil spill and his campaign didn't like the image it would project.

smeagol
07-24-2008, 07:56 PM
Cheese, sausage, and orange juice don't vote.

You made me :lol

. . . which does not happen often

Mr. Peabody
07-24-2008, 07:59 PM
he's the only one there. people can't afford to buy groceries.

Maybe they thought he was one of those annoying people giving away samples at the store and avoided him.

Mr. Peabody
07-24-2008, 08:12 PM
How great is it to have one of our leaders go overseas and be greeted with chants of "USA! USA! USA!" and to see American flags that aren't on fire....

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a81/kos102/2008/Obama/Foreign%20Trip/Berlin/flag-7.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a81/kos102/2008/Obama/Foreign%20Trip/Berlin-20.jpg

http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg10/JeffLieber/?action=view&current=Picture7-2.png

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a81/kos102/2008/Obama/Foreign%20Trip/Berlin/USA-1.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a81/kos102/2008/Obama/Foreign%20Trip/Berlin/Berlin-16.jpg

Cant_Be_Faded
07-24-2008, 08:22 PM
Marcus you are standing on a weak argument, come on man. To belittle Obama's globe trotting is to essentially say the media does not influence the marriott voter.

Also, the obama camp is probably hoping the media coverage of this globetrotting will serve to prove to the voter that Obama does have the experience to handle international relations. There will always be people who will never vote for him no matter what, like you, but alot of people are undecided, and this is the type of stuff that will help some of them decide. To deny it is silly.


I think its kind of cool to see a candidate with such a high appeal to outsiders. I've never seen anything like it in my lifetime. But it will take a high degree of skill for Obama to properly use his high international approval for proper gains, in the hypothetical situation where he did win the election.
Such high approval usually just means its going to plummet sooner or later.

The cool thing I see in it is that if Obama wins, we may have alot of political clout right off the getgo to make some strides in whatever direction we want to go. Kind of like how Bush had all the support and credibility in the world after 9/11, but he decided to piss on it over and over again.

You have to realize alot of European countries impose the troop restrictions or deny sending troops altogether to the Afghan war because of local voters hating the war. Obama captivating the European marriott segment may give us the credibility we need to actually persuade the European leaders to sending some real help to Afghanistan. I see this as a good thing, and the typical neocon should too (unless they're the type that just sees the little D next to Obama's name, and automatically thinks everything he stands for is bad and muslim).

possessed
07-24-2008, 08:27 PM
I can't fathom so many Germans gathering to watch a Socialist speak.


Oh, wait...

http://www.flholocaustmuseum.org/history_wing/assets/room2/cheeringcrowd.jpg

MannyIsGod
07-24-2008, 08:29 PM
Marcus you are standing on a weak argument, come on man. To belittle Obama's globe trotting is to essentially say the media does not influence the marriott voter.

Also, the obama camp is probably hoping the media coverage of this globetrotting will serve to prove to the voter that Obama does have the experience to handle international relations. There will always be people who will never vote for him no matter what, like you, but alot of people are undecided, and this is the type of stuff that will help some of them decide. To deny it is silly.


I think its kind of cool to see a candidate with such a high appeal to outsiders. I've never seen anything like it in my lifetime. But it will take a high degree of skill for Obama to properly use his high international approval for proper gains, in the hypothetical situation where he did win the election.
Such high approval usually just means its going to plummet sooner or later.

The cool thing I see in it is that if Obama wins, we may have alot of political clout right off the getgo to make some strides in whatever direction we want to go. Kind of like how Bush had all the support and credibility in the world after 9/11, but he decided to piss on it over and over again.

Good call. You stupid marriot.

MannyIsGod
07-24-2008, 08:29 PM
Oh, and god damn I hate when Pee Wee is arguing for my side. It makes me feel dirty.

PixelPusher
07-24-2008, 08:33 PM
I come to Berlin as so many of my countrymen have come before. Tonight, I speak to you not as a candidate for President, but as a citizen - a proud citizen of the United States, and a fellow citizen of the world.




(bait for conservatives...)

Cant_Be_Faded
07-24-2008, 08:40 PM
It is a scoff of scoffs in the history of 21st century elections how Hillary scoffed Obama for no experience, saying he could not handle any international politics, McCain taunted Obama about how he hasn't been anywhere, and now Obama is making the biggest impact a presidential candidate has ever made in an international trip, probably in the history of the world.

This guy's ability to capture people's hearts is sick. But the public's reception to him should be seen as one big giant dick slap right to Hillary and McCain's faces. He is the most dominant candidate by far in one of the most important aspects of a president: capturing the people.
I'm not saying that having people on your side ACTUALLY has anything directly to do with diplomatic relations....but its definitely an underlying factor in the credibility of any politician. A man can be fucking retarded, and pose stupid destructive things, but if he has people behind him, he can accomplish those things (Bush, Hitler, etc).

I am not convinced that Obama will actually use this power for good, if he wins, but I can only......hope.

Marcus Bryant
07-24-2008, 08:48 PM
Marcus you are standing on a weak argument, come on man. To belittle Obama's globe trotting is to essentially say the media does not influence the marriott voter.



Those who want a president who plays well in Europe were already in Obama's camp. Regardless, most Americans can't identify Germany on a map.

Cant_Be_Faded
07-24-2008, 08:52 PM
Very true, but at least half the voters can.

I think you may be on to something though. Perhaps I gave republicans too much credit. Do they really not give a shit about whether or not Obama has the potential to further the U.S. diplomatic relations abroad? I assumed they surely would care, because that is one of the keys for the stupid wars we are waging in the republican's names. That little republican brain child missle system in east europe...again, a greater chance of going through with Obama than McCain, based on the way people can get behind this guy.

Cant_Be_Faded
07-24-2008, 08:55 PM
Those who want a president who plays well in Europe were already in Obama's camp.

On second thought I don't think I fully agree with this. There are alot of undecided people in the middle who likely do care about this sort of thing IMO.

Clandestino
07-24-2008, 09:53 PM
It is a scoff of scoffs in the history of 21st century elections how Hillary scoffed Obama for no experience, saying he could not handle any international politics, McCain taunted Obama about how he hasn't been anywhere, and now Obama is making the biggest impact a presidential candidate has ever made in an international trip, probably in the history of the world.

This guy's ability to capture people's hearts is sick. But the public's reception to him should be seen as one big giant dick slap right to Hillary and McCain's faces. He is the most dominant candidate by far in one of the most important aspects of a president: capturing the people.
I'm not saying that having people on your side ACTUALLY has anything directly to do with diplomatic relations....but its definitely an underlying factor in the credibility of any politician. A man can be fucking retarded, and pose stupid destructive things, but if he has people behind him, he can accomplish those things (Bush, Hitler, etc).

I am not convinced that Obama will actually use this power for good, if he wins, but I can only......hope.

seriously... this is truly what pot does to you.. fucks you uuuuup!

Cant_Be_Faded
07-25-2008, 12:50 AM
That was partly tongue in cheek but seriously it is hilariously ironic how much republicans (3/4 of which are former neocons) are downplaying the ability to rally up a group of people now that they are the side that has an aged boring candidate.

Anti.Hero
07-25-2008, 01:34 AM
What a joke.

Nbadan
07-25-2008, 03:45 AM
Good speech, nice crowd...here is the full youtube version...


OAhb06Z8N1c

Nbadan
07-25-2008, 04:07 AM
McCain at the sausage house....the tolling bells are very ironic....

JcISaG_6F1k

Clandestino
07-25-2008, 07:42 AM
any American president or presidential candidate who goes overseas gets huge attention.

DarkReign
07-25-2008, 09:21 AM
any American president or presidential candidate who goes overseas gets huge attention.

Really? You think McCain would have the same crowd numbers? I dont. Not even for a second.

Unfortunately for John, he will be associated with Bush. Bush is universally despised.

clambake
07-25-2008, 09:56 AM
any American president or presidential candidate who goes overseas gets huge attention.

:lmao

Mr. Peabody
07-25-2008, 11:14 AM
any American president or presidential candidate who goes overseas gets huge attention.

Sounds about right.

http://www.peteykins.com/sparklepics3/IndonesiaProtest111706a.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/109/301510331_0c2ebb3594_o.jpg

Marcus Bryant
07-25-2008, 01:45 PM
So Americans should vote for the candidate the rest of the world is gushing over? Seems like a rather naive argument.

DarkReign
07-25-2008, 04:11 PM
So Americans should vote for the candidate the rest of the world is gushing over? Seems like a rather naive argument.

You jumped to that conclusion, no one else.

Pre-Bush Jr, I would have scoffed at such a notion.

Post-Bush Jr, Im not so sure it isnt important.

But then again, I dont give a shit about foreign policy much anymore. Im more concerned with domestic policy. So its all frills and hula hoops at this point.

Extra Stout
07-25-2008, 04:19 PM
I can't fathom so many Germans gathering to watch a Socialist speak.


Oh, wait...

http://www.flholocaustmuseum.org/history_wing/assets/room2/cheeringcrowd.jpg
Well, thanks, a lot, thanks to you Obama supporters automatically win the thread.

Do people seriously not know about Godwin's Law?

Marcus Bryant
07-25-2008, 05:01 PM
You jumped to that conclusion, no one else.

Pre-Bush Jr, I would have scoffed at such a notion.

Post-Bush Jr, Im not so sure it isnt important.

But then again, I dont give a shit about foreign policy much anymore. Im more concerned with domestic policy. So its all frills and hula hoops at this point.

How is that not the argument?

PixelPusher
07-25-2008, 05:11 PM
Well, thanks, a lot, thanks to you Obama supporters automatically win the thread.

Do people seriously not know about Godwin's Law?
That cherry was popped when Obama drew a crowd in Portland. (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95735&highlight=godwin%27s&page=2)
Seriously, you didn't see this one coming from a million miles away?

Viva Las Espuelas
07-27-2008, 06:32 PM
You're right. McCain speaking in front of the Oscar Mayer aisle will have more impact on the election than Obama's speech in front of 200,000 Europeans. :toast

.......and I think I've found the second most stupidest post here. :toast:toast

Mr. Peabody
07-27-2008, 06:34 PM
.......and I think I've found the second most stupidest post here. :toast:toast

I'm sorry, next time I will post it in blue so you'll get it.

Viva Las Espuelas
07-27-2008, 06:51 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Berlin_siegessaeule_1603.jpg/450px-Berlin_siegessaeule_1603.jpg

"The Victory Column (German (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_language): Siegessäule (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Siegess%C3%A4ule.ogg) (help (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Media_help)·info (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Siegess%C3%A4ule.ogg))) is a famous monument in Berlin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin), Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany). Designed by Heinrich Strack (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heinrich_Strack&action=edit&redlink=1) after 1864 to commemorate the Prussian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussia) victory in the Danish-Prussian War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Schleswig_War), by the time it was inaugurated on 2 September (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_2) 1873 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1873), Prussia had also defeated Austria in the Austro-Prussian War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Prussian_War) (1866) and France in the Franco-Prussian War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Prussian_War) (1870–71), giving the statue a new purpose. Different from the original plans, these later victories in the so-called unification wars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_of_Germany) inspired the addition of the bronze sculpture of Victoria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_%28mythology%29), 8.3 meters high and weighing 35 tonnes, designed by Friedrich Drake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Drake). Berliners, with their fondness for giving nicknames to famous buildings, call the statue Goldelse, meaning something like "Golden Lizzy".[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Victory_Column#cite_note-0). The Victory Column originally stood in Königsplatz (now Platz der Republik), at the end of the Siegesallee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siegesallee) (Victory Avenue). As part of the preparation of the monumental plans to redesign Berlin into Welthauptstadt Germania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welthauptstadt_Germania), in 1939, the Nazis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany) relocated the column to its present site at the Großer Stern (Great Star), a large intersection on the city axis that leads from the former Berliner Stadtschloss (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berliner_Stadtschloss) (Berlin City Palace) through the Brandenburg Gate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_Gate) to the western parts of the city. ."

hmmmm. war seems to be the theme of this statue. seems to be another exhibition of poor judgement by obamessiah.

Mr. Peabody
07-27-2008, 10:49 PM
I find it funny that while McCain's former chief strategist will admit the week was a disaster for McCain, apologists in this thread will continue to deny it.


John Weaver, who once was McCain's top political strategist, said his old boss made a big mistake by virtually daring Obama to go to Iraq and Afghanistan, only to see Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki generally embrace the Democrat's plan for withdrawing combat forces when he went there.

"McCain lost the week badly, let's be honest," Weaver said in a message on Friday. "John [McCain] is still in striking distance, thanks to his own character, biography and memories of the McCain of previous election cycles. But he cannot afford another week like this one."

peewee's lovechild
07-28-2008, 08:02 AM
Regardless, most Americans can't identify Germany on a map.

I remember a Bush interview at the start of his first turn as Prez and he didn't know leaders names or where the countries were.

Look where all that got us.

Excellent point you made there.

peewee's lovechild
07-28-2008, 08:04 AM
Oh, and god damn I hate when Pee Wee is arguing for my side. It makes me feel dirty.

I'm not saying I'm thoroughly convinced, but I was impressed by that speech.

peewee's lovechild
07-28-2008, 08:04 AM
Oh, and posting that Nazi rally picture is the epitome of stupidity.

shelshor
07-28-2008, 10:18 AM
Not all Europpeans are impressed with Obama

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/gerard_baker/article4392846.ece

He ventured forth to bring light to the world
The anointed one's pilgrimage to the Holy Land is a miracle in action - and a blessing to all his faithful followers

101A
07-28-2008, 02:26 PM
lol

clambake
07-28-2008, 02:34 PM
Not all Europpeans are impressed with Obama

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/gerard_baker/article4392846.ece

He ventured forth to bring light to the world
The anointed one's pilgrimage to the Holy Land is a miracle in action - and a blessing to all his faithful followers

i think it's about as close to reality as righties can get.