Karl Malone in SA

[Spurs_rock05]

Karl was with pop and timmy today in SA i just saw it on the news

[redeye]

ok... cool I hope he signs

[usckk]

Not again. Karl teases us agains, as if he just about to sign. Then he goes to another month before he teases us again. Same old. Same old. I wouldn't get too excited.

[spursfaninla]

I don't know, that is pretty serious. I don't think he has a great reason to visit just to say no.

[redeye]

yeah.... your right lets not talk about it :nope

[Spurs_rock05]

I don't know bout him signing with the spurs? i mean do we need him?
i think we have a good team right now to me he would just a be a bench warmer

[usckk]

Maybe the injury with Rasho is worse than it really is? So the Spurs asked Malone for help

[atlfan25]

or maybe they found someone to take malik off their hands

[usckk]

Haha. We're getting way ahead of ourselves. We know all this Karl stuff and Malik trades won't happen. It's funny. When the SPurs announced that they had big news like 3 months ago, people were going crazy, they all thought Karl was finally signing. But NO.

[SPARKY]

If true, no thanks. Earlier on I was open to the idea given that the Spurs' starting center is Rasho Nesterovic, but I think that Pop seems to understand that he can play Malik Rose and Tony Massenburg when needed. That should be enough for the rest of this season to address the lack of physical play from Nesterovic and Horry.

It seems too late in the season to be making such a significant change. This team has the best record in the league with only 34 games left.

Sorry Karl, no ring for you.

[LilMissSPURfect]

:elephant :elephant :elephant :smokin :smokin

[usckk]

Yeah man, Karl, "you are the weakest link, goodbye". IN other words, get the f*ck out of here.

[redeye]

Karl was in town for the rodeo... so there.....

[usckk]

Good point.

[LilMissSPURfect]

Karl was in town for the rodeo... so there.....


:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[cqsallie]

or maybe they found someone to take malik off their hands
Yeah, like we need somebody to take Malik off our hands! I think Karl Malone is an opportunistic SOB - sit on your behind for three months, then hop on a team that looks like it's going to be the NBA Champions.
I said it originally, and I haven't changed my mind. We don't need Karl - he needs us to fulfill his dream of retiring a champion. Tough luck, boy!!! :nope

[usckk]

True True

[ChumpDumper]

Pop sent his message in the press that it was getting late.

Message received, apparently.

I think it's a month too late.

[usckk]

I still dont think it will happen

[Sonia_TX]

I don't think it's fair if Malone signs. To come in halfway during the season and then win a ring (because we all know the Spurs will win right?). It's not fair! He hasn't contributed to the winning team we have now. We don't need him!

[usckk]

True true. The only thing that would be good about Malone being with the SPurs is when Pop puts him in the Doghouse. That would be freaking hilarious

[mattyc]

Go away Karl. :depressed

[usckk]

Until Espn reports something, I won't believe it.

[Dre_7]

Yeah, like we need somebody to take Malik off our hands! I think Karl Malone is an opportunistic SOB - sit on your behind for three months, then hop on a team that looks like it's going to be the NBA Champions.

Im no Malone fan, but I doubt hes been sittin on his behind all this time. He wants a ring badly. If the injury was pretty bad, then he was probably workin out, stayin in shape, rehabing, etc.

I think I am one of the few that wouldnt mind having him sign. SA can win w/out him, but if he is healthy, he will help alot. But, if he cant be 100% I dont want him. If we dont get him, we're still A-OK

[tsb2000]

Don't forget, Malone's wife is also from SA. Could have been that as well.

[Sonia_TX]

That's what I told my mom "maybe he's just here for his wife and just went out to lunch with Pop, Tim and RC." I guess only time will tell.

[usckk]

I know! Karl was in town for his wife, but he heard that Timmy has a new big screen TV, so they got together to watch the Super Bowl tomorrow at Tim's house.

[Sonia_TX]

I know! Karl was in town for his wife, but he heard that Timmy has a new big screen TV, so they got together to watch the Super Bowl tomorrow at Tim's house.

Karl can't afford his own big screen tv? :lol

[usckk]

Lol yeah, because he had to take a 17 million paycut to play with the lakers.

[exstatic]

Poor TMass, if this happens. Dumped by two WC contenders in two years.

[usckk]

No either Wilks or Marks would be dumped.

[usckk]

Of course this will not happen because Malone will not play in another Bball game for the rest of his life.

[cqsallie]

Im no Malone fan, but I doubt hes been sittin on his behind all this time. He wants a ring badly. If the injury was pretty bad, then he was probably workin out, stayin in shape, rehabing, etc.

I think I am one of the few that wouldnt mind having him sign. SA can win w/out him, but if he is healthy, he will help alot. But, if he cant be 100% I dont want him. If we dont get him, we're still A-OK

Well, I didn't mean "sitting on your ass" literally - it was more of a figurative phrase, so I realize that if Karl wants a chance at that elusive ring, he'd have to be in shape before anybody would take him on.
In some respects, I think that if there's injury down the line that makes us rue the day we let Malone go... Well, okay, maybe we should sign him after all, but I don't want to see real contributors riding the bench so he can get play time.
I may be converting... Oh! No! :spin

[Experiment2100]

Poor TMass, if this happens. Dumped by two WC contenders in two years.

Just what I was thinking. I would hate to be lumped with the Kings like that.

[usckk]

Again,


Of course this will not happen because Malone will not play in another Bball game for the rest of his life.

[whottt]

Look, it's time my fellow Spur fans wake the fuck up and smell the coffee...

All you guys not wanting Malone for the character issues...wake up! Pop doesn't care. He tries to sign every scumbag he can get his hands on, just like every other team in the NBA.

The high character era of the Spurs was a unique era, unique to most sports teams that is, that was embodied by one man, David Robinson. Well David is gone now and the Spurs are about winning. Just be glad we had it for a little while...few teams even get that much.

And don't try and tell me that Pop doesn't know Malone is a cheap, injury dealing, punk, thug, because if he doesn't he's the dumbest motherfucker on the planet. Pop has gotten wood over the mention of Malone's name all season long.

That high character era of the Spurs is over. Over, it's over, It's only lasted this long because SA seems to boring to the thugs Pop tries to sign.

We are just another team, with fans like Marcus Bryant who gets wood over any fucking scumbag that gets cut by a lottery team(yet still has the audacity to talk shit and cast character apsersions to fans of other teams).

The Spurs are just another team now, albeit an extremely well run one. In business terms, Malone has a role to play on this team. Yes I hate him, and yes I think he is title kryptonite...but I do think he'll knock the fuck out of a guy like Juwan Howard and so for that reason, and the fact that I am tired of fighting Pop's lowlife tendencies, and the fact that I don't think even Malone can hurt this team, I'm just accepting it and you should too. Just accept it. It's the way it is now.

The Spurs are the team that tries to sign Qyntel Woods, and Laker Fans cheer Duncan returning from injury. It's a different era now.

So you guys need to get off the high horse and take off the white hat. Things have changed. It's all about winning and hording talent, no matter how ill fitting and threatening to chemistry, it's the Popovich way.

Be glad it's Malone and not Qyntel Woods. I know I am. Malone is a choirboy compared to that fucking punk thug. Besides, the Rockets have a scumbag too, hopefully he and Malone will end each others careers.

[T Park]

Yeah all the current spurs are complete scumbags.

Get over it Whottt.

[Marcus Bryant]

whottt needs to review the rosters of the Spurs from 1989-2003 and then shut the fuck up.

[timvp]

Karl Malone is going to sign with the Spurs. It's been obvious to me for a long time now. It's just a matter of time. He's not going to retire without breaking the scoring record and trying to bandwagon onto a championship team. The Human Half Time Show knows that most fans don't start watching the NBA until after the All-Star. And if he can sign right before the All-Star game, ABC will spend the whole game talking about how Karl Malone will impact the Spurs.

You're going to get your Drama Queen, San Antonio.

Enjoy. You wanted this.

[T Park]

yeah, im gonna love winning a third ring. :)

[whottt]

Yeah all the current spurs are complete scumbags.

Get over it Whottt.

Yeah TPark is a Pedophile...

Stop doing it TPark.

[T Park]

that made no sense what so ever.

[usckk]

I'm not so sure. Until it actually happens. I'm not very optimistic.

[whottt]

whottt needs to review the rosters of the Spurs from 1989-2003 and then shut the fuck up.


It's going to be funny watching Marcus Bryant's head explode when he realizes that Malone is going to force Malik Rose to the IR.

Just remember Marcus Bryant...winning is what's important.

[whottt]

that made no sense what so ever.

Pot meet kettle.

Sucks when someone puts words in your mouth, doesn't it?

[T Park]

your saying the Spurs are no longer a classy organization.

They dont care about class. Thats a totally false statement.

[SequSpur]

Yippeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Karl Malone to the Spurs........... No more Rasho and Malik......... Finally some balls and consistency.

Its a new day!

Fuck yeah!

[cqsallie]

I really need to ask Whott why he feel Juwan Howard is so scary... Doesn't scare me! By the same token, I personally like Latrell Spreewell. I don't care if Whott thinks that the white-hat days are over. I don't. And, I don't disapprove of Karl Malone because of the elbow to DR years ago. It's not a matter of superior morals.
I just have this Spurs team, as is, that seems to be composed of pretty nice guys who are getting the job done. They're not wimps, but neither are they scumbags. I like the fact that Pop doesn't have to deal with recalcitrant players. The SA fans like these guys, the sports writers and announcers like these guys.
Has anybody heard from Sir Charles about the possibility of Malone as a Spur?
If it ain't broke, don't fix it, as the saying goes. Will Malone bring more woe than wonderful? And it's not about morals, Whott!

[whottt]

your saying the Spurs are no longer a classy organization.

They dont care about class. Thats a totally false statement.


Teams that care about character and class don't try and sign the guy that has crippled more men than polio, and they don't try and sign every dog abusing pothead that's so much of a scumbag even the Blazers don't want him.

As I said earlier, if you could fucking read...we still pretty much have high character team...but it's not due to the actions of Pop...it's due to luck now, mainly because SA is too much of a hayseed town for most of the scumbags Pop has gone after. The high character era is on the wane...sooner or later Pop is going to bust his nut and actually land one of the scumbags he covets.

Besides...don't act like you wear the white hat TPark..you wanted to fucking tank the season last year just because Duncan tweaked his ankle.

Want what you want...but get off the freaking high horse before it throws you off.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I really need to ask Whott why he feel Juwan Howard is so scary... Doesn't scare me! By the same token, I personally like Latrell Spreewell. I don't care if Whott thinks that the white-hat days are over. I don't. And, I don't disapprove of Karl Malone because of the elbow to DR years ago. It's not a matter of superior morals.
I just have this Spurs team, as is, that seems to be composed of pretty nice guys who are getting the job done. They're not wimps, but neither are they scumbags. I like the fact that Pop doesn't have to deal with recalcitrant players. The SA fans like these guys, the sports writers and announcers like these guys.
Has anybody heard from Sir Charles about the possibility of Malone as a Spur?
If it ain't broke, don't fix it, as the saying goes. Will Malone bring more woe than wonderful? And it's not about morals, Whott!

Derek Anderson can answer your question.

[T Park]

but it's not due to the actions of Pop

of course not, he has no say over player movements.

[timvp]

Look, it's time my fellow Spur fans wake the fuck up and smell the coffee...

All you guys not wanting Malone for the character issues...wake up! Pop doesn't care. He tries to sign every scumbag he can get his hands on, just like every other team in the NBA.

The high character era of the Spurs was a unique era, unique to most sports teams that is, that was embodied by one man, David Robinson. Well David is gone now and the Spurs are about winning. Just be glad we had it for a little while...few teams even get that much.

And don't try and tell me that Pop doesn't know Malone is a cheap, injury dealing, punk, thug, because if he doesn't he's the dumbest motherfucker on the planet. Pop has gotten wood over the mention of Malone's name all season long.

That high character era of the Spurs is over. Over, it's over, It's only lasted this long because SA seems to boring to the thugs Pop tries to sign.

We are just another team, with fans like Marcus Bryant who gets wood over any fucking scumbag that gets cut by a lottery team(yet still has the audacity to talk shit and cast character apsersions to fans of other teams).

The Spurs are just another team now, albeit an extremely well run one. In business terms, Malone has a role to play on this team. Yes I hate him, and yes I think he is title kryptonite...but I do think he'll knock the fuck out of a guy like Juwan Howard and so for that reason, and the fact that I am tired of fighting Pop's lowlife tendencies, and the fact that I don't think even Malone can hurt this team, I'm just accepting it and you should too. Just accept it. It's the way it is now.

The Spurs are the team that tries to sign Qyntel Woods, and Laker Fans cheer Duncan returning from injury. It's a different era now.

So you guys need to get off the high horse and take off the white hat. Things have changed. It's all about winning and hording talent, no matter how ill fitting and threatening to chemistry, it's the Popovich way.

Be glad it's Malone and not Qyntel Woods. I know I am. Malone is a choirboy compared to that fucking punk thug. Besides, the Rockets have a scumbag too. Hopefully he and Malone will end each others careers.


:lmao :lmao :lmao

What kind of warped image have you had of the Spurs all these years? The "high character era" never existed. It's just that the Spurs had two nice guy superstars and put role players around them. Their "high character" has always just been an added bonus.

One of Pop's first moves was signing Vernon Maxwell. The Spurs went after players like Chris Webber, Jason Kidd, Tyrone Nesby, Rod Strickland, Kenny Anderson, Willie Burton and many others over the last decade. I don't think the Spurs were ever as clean as you and your fairy tale picture of them seem to think. They want to win and will win at whatever cost. It's just happened to work out that the Spurs best players had great character and then they just put hard working veterans around them. It's not like they went out to sign every choir boy in the league.

I don't know what you are so upset about. It's like you just found out that Santa doesn't exist or that the tooth fairy wasn't the one who left those two quarters under your pillow.

This is pro sports. The Spurs would have dumped David Robinson for Chris Webber. They would have dumped Tony Parker for Jason Kidd. They would have dumped Manu Ginobili for Kobe Bryant.

It's nice to see that you are finally catching on.

[SequSpur]

Dude, we are getting Karl Malone....... nah nah nah nah..............

wooooooooooohooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lets celebrate, I got the first round.

[whottt]

of course not, he has no say over player movements.

He has absolutely no say over them playing here if they don't want to play here TPark...figure it out...Season tanker!

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

http://video.woai.com/launcher/82036,565/

Has WOAI been working for anybody over the last day or so?

[Marcus Bryant]

This 'model citizen' crap in regards to personnel is a joke. Pop's never been about only signing choir boys. What he's been about is not bringing in players who aren't committed to winning. There's a significant difference.

A guy like Malone may not have the most desirable personal history but he's first and foremost about winning. If Pop should bring him in then that is consistent with his philosophy for building a title contender. whottt simply believes in a myth.

[timvp]

Karl Malone Video Clip (http://video.woai.com/launcher/82036,565/)

[timvp]

Has WOAI been working for anybody over the last day or so?

It doesn't work on firefox. If you have a popup blocker, you have to hold CTRL as you click the link.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

It doesn't work on firefox. If you have a popup blocker, you have to hold CTRL as you click the link.

I know. But WOAI hasn't been loading at all for me since about 6P yesterday.

I just watched the video (using IE since CyberBob won't help a Firefoxer out), but it took much longer to DL and most of the graphics wouldn't load.

Also, WOAI.com timed out. Both in IE and Firefox.

[Kori Ellis]

I know. But WOAI hasn't been loading at all for me since about 6P yesterday.

I just watched the video (using IE since CyberBob won't help a Firefoxer out), but it took much longer to DL and most of the graphics wouldn't load.

Also, WOAI.com timed out. Both in IE and Firefox.

It's working fine for me.

[Nikos]

Video does not work for me. Not sure why. What happens in it?

[IcemanCometh]

was duncan limping or just walking like the gangster thug he is

[Kori Ellis]

Malone comes out of a restaurant with Tim, RC and Pop. Pop is laughing a lot. Tim and Malone get in his truck. Pop and RC in a hummer.

The video also says that Tim's knee had swelling but that he won't miss any time.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

It's working fine for me.

Hmm, weird.

[Nikos]

Is Malone really coming to SA? Yes or No?

[whottt]

:lmao :lmao :lmao

What kind of warped image have you had of the Spurs all these years? The "high character era" never existed. It's just that the Spurs had two nice guy superstars and put role players around them. Their "high character" has always just been an added bonus.

Well, you are wrong about that...David Robinson was the main reason we had that reputation...as I said earlier. David has run off guys that were bad character...

And you bet...I am very aware of the scumbags Pop has tried to sign...he's failed to do it and we have better team because of it...

I've been right every freaking time...we would not have been better off signing Kidd and Webber...you think those teams are enjoying paying those contracts now?







One of Pop's first moves was signing Vernon Maxwell. The Spurs went after players like Chris Webber, Jason Kidd, Tyrone Nesby, Rod Strickland, Kenny Anderson, Willie Burton and many others over the last decade. I don't think the Spurs were ever as clean as you and your fairy tale picture of them seem to think. They want to win and will win at whatever cost. It's just happened to work out that the Spurs best players had great character and then they just put hard working veterans around them. It's not like they went out to sign every choir boy in the league.

Well I agree Pop had little to do with it and I have said so many times...what exactly do you think I am railing about right now?




I don't know what you are so upset about. It's like you just found out that Santa doesn't exist or that the tooth fairy wasn't the one who left those two quarters under your pillow.

What are you upset about? Do you realizze you essentially said the same things I said? So what exactly are you arguing with me about?

I'm not the one that's gone around talking about how I would ditch my fandom if the Spurs signed Malone...even though I wouldn't like it.


This is pro sports. The Spurs would have dumped David Robinson for Chris Webber. They would have dumped Tony Parker for Jason Kidd. They would have dumped Manu Ginobili for Kobe Bryant.

It's nice to see that you are finally catching on.

Finally catching on? You don't even know what you are arguing with me about...you are just swinging blindly at an old adversary...

And it would have been a mistake to do so in almost every case...IOW much of this teams current dynasty standing is due as much to luck and Pop not being able to sigh the guys he really wanted, as it is to RC's drafting...

And the high character aspect of this organization is due to David Robinson more than any other person...it's not due to Tim Duncan, I think he shares much the same mindset as Pop...it's certainly not due to Pop...



And by the way, if you are going to throw around superstitious ideas like title kryptonite(and you do it too)...I'd avoid running Santa Clause and Tooth Fairy Smack at anyone else...I mean if we are going to be real let's be real.

Like me saying AJ sucked...that's real :)

[Kori Ellis]

Is Malone really coming to SA? Yes or No?

No one knows that answer, Nikos. He was in San Antonio today (apparently on his way back to L.A. from Arkansas) but he hasn't made a decision.

[Nikos]

No one knows that answer, Nikos. He was in San Antonio today (apparently on his way back to L.A. from Louisianna) but he hasn't made a decision.

I guess that means its 50-50.

[usckk]

Haha. DId you all see the look on Pop's face when he saw the camera.

[IcemanCometh]

dennis rodman, high character
willie anderson- saint
avery johnson : anti-christ

you're right whott the spurs did have a long history of cowboys in white hats on their team. pop unfortunately is a supporter of terrorism and hates freedom

[Kori Ellis]

Malone, Spurs meet to discuss his plans
Web Posted: 02/06/2005 12:00 AM CST

Johnny Ludden
Express-News Staff Writer

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA020605.1C.BKNspurs.malone.7d1706b8.html

Karl Malone met with Spurs forward Tim Duncan and coach Gregg Popovich in San Antonio on Saturday, leaving open the possibility he might sign with the team.

Malone had been at his Arkansas ranch and was driving home to Newport Beach, Calif., when he stopped to visit with Spurs officials.

The meeting ended without any commitment from Malone, who still is debating whether to play this season.

Though Popovich did not press him for a decision, Malone is respectful of the Spurs' desire not to prolong the talks much past the Feb. 20 All-Star Game. He also expressed interest in reaching a decision soon.

Malone underwent arthroscopic surgery on his right knee on June 29 and still is trying to determine whether he is physically and emotionally ready to play even a short season. The Spurs will have 30 games remaining after the All-Star break.

Spurs general manager R.C. Buford and Malone's agent, Dwight Manley, helped arrange Saturday's meeting to give Popovich and Duncan an opportunity to visit in person with Malone.

Malone still may retire, but he appeared to enjoy his visit with them. Though the Spurs have tried to sign Malone since the summer of 2003, Buford is the only member of the organization to have visited with him at length before Saturday.

Popovich has said he will not guarantee Malone a starting job or a set amount of minutes — the same policy he has kept with each of his players. Malone seemed to appreciate Popovich's honesty.

Almost two weeks ago, Manley told the Los Angeles Times the 41-year-old forward was leaning toward retiring. Others who have spoken with Malone in the past month thought the same.

To sign Malone, the Spurs first would have to open a roster spot by trading or waiving another player — further reason for him to reach a decision by the Feb. 24 trade deadline. The Spurs are limited to offering him the 10-year veteran's minimum of $1.1 million, pro-rated by the number of games left in the season.

Popovich said Thursday the team likely was getting close to a cutoff date for signing Malone, but stressed he still was interested in him.

Malone is famous for keeping his body in great shape, though the Spurs do not know how much, if any, basketball he has played recently. They especially value his toughness and were impressed with how he defended Duncan in last season's playoffs.

"Who wouldn't want him?" Popovich said. "He's a leader. He's got the whole package."

Malone has been known to change his mind several times when weighing a tough decision. Shortly before training camp, he said he would play for only the Lakers, if he played at all.

After Kobe Bryant accused Malone of flirting with his wife, Malone said he no longer wanted to play with his former teammate. He also has resisted the Lakers' offer of a front-office job.

Several teams have expressed interest in signing Malone, including Miami and Minnesota, but he has seemed most receptive to the Spurs. Malone has never won a championship in his 19-year career, and the Spurs could afford him that opportunity.

Malone was one of the Spurs' biggest rivals during his 18 seasons in Utah. He invited the wrath of local fans during the 1997-98 season when he knocked David Robinson unconscious with an elbow to the head.

On the day Robinson cleaned out his locker for the final time, he was asked who might fit well as his replacement. Said Robinson: "Karl Malone, I guess."

[timvp]

Well, you are wrong about that...David Robinson was the main reason we had that reputation...as I said earlier. David has run off guys that were bad character...

WTF? Who did David ever run off?

Did you just make that up?



What are you upset about? Do you realizze you essentially said the same things I said? So what exactly are you arguing with me about?

I had beef with this comment of yours:

"That high character era of the Spurs is over. Over, it's over, It's only lasted this long because SA seems to boring to the thugs Pop tries to sign."

I'm saying the high character era never existed. You're acting as if something has changed.


And the high character aspect of this organization is due to David Robinson more than any other person.

:lol

How does David Robinson get credit for that? Yeah he was an awesome guy and you know what? He also had the Spurs bring in the other part of their foundation ... Avery Johnson. Those two guys were the rocks of the Spurs for much of the '90s.

I like Robinson as much as you do but you can't give him credit for everything. Maybe he's the one who left the money under your pillow.

[usckk]

Well, let's take a poll. Who here things he's signign? I go with "no"

[SequSpur]

So, what number is he going to have?

[usckk]

Hold on. Your getting ahead of yourself. Nobody said he's signing with the Spurs. The Spurs and Malone only recouperated themselves on Malone's health status.

[whottt]

dennis rodman, high character
willie anderson- saint
avery johnson : anti-christ

you're right whott the spurs did have a long history of cowboys in white hats on their team. pop unfortunately is a supporter of terrorism and hates freedom

Willie Anderson was a draft pick with no negative history.

Dennis Rodman had a rep as being a little bit of a lunatic at the time, but I don't think anyone but Scottie Pippen thought he was anything less than a fierce competitor...he didn't have the rep Malone has. He certainly didn't have the rep Qyntel Woods has. And he wasn't then what he is now. Actually Rodman had some pretty nice things said about some of his off court behaviour(not the suicide thing but the thing with the autistic child)

And just so we are clear on this...I don't think AJ was the anti-christ...I just think he sucked badly as a PG, did an excellent job of finger pointing at everyone but himself, and talked way too much shit after leaving. Character wise...I think he's basically a good guy and I have said many times I think he will make a fine coach.

Most of my animosity towards Avery comes from comments he made after leaving the organization and the insane homerism that tries to retire his jersey, credit him with us winning the title in 99, and claim that he is responsible in any way shape or form for the greatness of Drob.

[SequSpur]

http://img136.exs.cx/img136/9509/malone6yc.jpg

[cqsallie]

:lmao :lmao :lmao
This is pro sports. The Spurs would have dumped David Robinson for Chris Webber. They would have dumped Tony Parker for Jason Kidd. They would have dumped Manu Ginobili for Kobe Bryant.

No doubt you're right, but would have, could have, might have, should have, never happened. We have Tony and Manu, who look pretty damned good right now, don't they? And we had David Robinson for his entire NBA career - what a friggin' shame, eh?
We only have two NBA championships! How awful! How many NBA championships have been won because of the inclusion of some of players you mentioned (with the exception of Bryant, aided and abetted by Shaq)?
I like our team! Stop dissecting and bisecting, adding and subtracting. Are you that dissatisfied with their performance to date?
Be a fan, damn it! The Spurs are smokin'! :smokin

[Spurs_rock05]

i say no we have a good team karl is freeloader just seeing which coat to hang onto and win a ring thats what he has been doing sitting on his lazy ass watching the games and looking at which team can win a ring for his lazy no good for nothing ass
so i vote no malone that it no freeloaders Tim has alot of weight to carry so RC Pop
please don't add more !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ps the bandwagon is full karl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[timvp]

No doubt you're right, but would have, could have, might have, should have, never happened. We have Tony and Manu, who look pretty damned good right now, don't they? And we had David Robinson for his entire NBA career - what a friggin' shame, eh?
We only have two NBA championships! How awful! How many NBA championships have been won because of the inclusion of some of players you mentioned (with the exception of Bryant, aided and abetted by Shaq)?
I like our team! Stop dissecting and bisecting, adding and subtracting. Are you that dissatisfied with their performance to date?
Be a fan, damn it! The Spurs are smokin'! :smokin

Just stating the facts, ma'am. I was against all three of those moves, by the way.

[whottt]

WTF? Who did David ever run off?

Did you just make that up?

Anything I say will be unprovable...I mean what is provable in this sort of thing? Can anyone prove Kobe is responsible for Phil and Shaq leaving LA?

As you mentioned, Drob used his influence to keep guys like AJ on the team, I think Drob was a big reason Rodman, Strickland and Wingate were run off. Put it this way, I didn't hear Drob complaining when it happened at all and he seemed very agreeable with the moves of the team. I think Drob was a big reason for the return of Elliott. Drob made his presence felt in this organization when he was in his prime and after he was born again. Don't you remember the story about him getting pissed about Larry Brown cussing in the huddle and the episode about the guys reading porn?







I had beef with this comment of yours:

"That high character era of the Spurs is over. Over, it's over, It's only lasted this long because SA seems to boring to the thugs Pop tries to sign."

I'm saying the high character era never existed. You're acting as if something has changed.

You're wrong about that...it existed. I'm not saying that every guy on the roster was a candidate for Man of the year, but by and large compared to other teams, the Spurs had a very high character standard...if guys fucked up around here the Spurs ran them.

And I think there is a difference in the way you and I define a high character organization...

I look at the 03 Champs and I see that as a very high character roster...I know you guys will bring up Jack, but at the time he wasn't what he is now. And to me he's still not in the same class as Qyntel Woods...I mean the dude went into the stands to protect a teamate and got baited into fighting.
He may not have been high character in the way Drob is...but he wasn't a negative either.

And I'd say that hold true for most of the past 15 years.

It's not that there were never any scumbags on the team, but they weren't known quantities when the Spurs got them, and they didn't stay around very long if they were bad dudes.

You go and look at our roster from 89 on...Maxwell wasn't a bad guy the first time he was here...Wingate got dumped, Strick got let go...

We traded for Rodman but Rodman really wasn't that bad of a guy when we traded for him. He had the Piston's rep...and he had the episode where he was found considering suicide...I didn't consider those things as making him a bad guy at the time. But once he showed what shithead he really was...it was time for him to go. And I gurantee you Drob was happy to see Rodman go by the time he left.






:lol

How does David Robinson get credit for that? Yeah he was an awesome guy and you know what? He also had the Spurs bring in the other part of their foundation ... Avery Johnson. Those two guys were the rocks of the Spurs for much of the '90s.

I like Robinson as much as you do but you can't give him credit for everything. Maybe he's the one who left the money under your pillow.

You guys just won't be happy until Drob gets no credit for anything to do with this organization will you?

You AJ Nazis have already taken away any credit he got for the 99 title, Duncan carried soft Drob and AJ lead soft Drob...

To listen to you guys talk Drob was just basically this big gaping vagina that had to be told how to play and cajoled into giving effort...and now you don't evne want to give him any credit for impacting the way the Spurs organization handled himself...

With fans like you guys...who needs Shaq?


......he basically rates about third on the credit list for that title, when in fact he probably deserves the most credit for it(since he was the guy that guarded Shaq and he was the guy that gave up the star glory, and if he doesn't deserve the most credit Elie does).

And anyway, what you fail to realize is the tremendous impact Drob had on guys like Jack(while he was here) and Malik, and the direction of their lives.

[Spurs_rock05]

I go one more thing to say hit the road karl and come back you lazy
sucka

[Spurs_rock05]

I meant don't come back
Drob made everything good here and you hit him karl

Go spurs

[whottt]

Look, there's a difference between guys like Webber, Jack, and even Strickland<<I don't really like those guys, but they aren't total scumbags......and guys like Kidd(wife beating punk), Malone and Woods(scum worst attempted signing ever)...Malone really isn't a bad guy off the court, and it's probably not that fair to put him in with Kidd and Woods... but on the court he is a lowlife scumbag that deliberately hurts guys. These are not your typical signess...I mean the Blazers didn't even want Woods anymore...they a freaking lottery team.

Look I can live without the Spurs being a high character organization...I mean hell, I'm a Cowboy fan and a Ranger fan...and I won't stop being a Spur fan.

But I was proud of the perception of this team and the Sportsmanship and good dude example set by David Robinson that filtered through the entire organization...damn right I am protective of it...damn right I am proud of it...and damn right I will miss when it is gone(and it will be sooner or later).

I can live with it...but Spurfans that are on their high horse...coughMarcusBryantcough, coughT(tanktheseason)Park need to get off it...MB is in here talking shit to Pooh about Jack, while he is creaming over the idea of signing Qyntel Woods. If they are gonna be that full of BS and post their opinion on the forum, I think it's only fair that they get called out for it.

[TheWriter]

uM... Whott, there's no such thing as the tooth fairy. And I really don't want to bum you out, but no such thing as Santa. Or Jesus.

[whottt]

uM... Whott, there's no such thing as the tooth fairy. And I really don't want to bum you out, but no such thing as Santa. Or Jesus.

Um, Writer, I don't mean to bum you out...but you a fucking joke on two boards. STFU and go act condescending to someone that is actually stupider than you are(you'll find him right after you find Santa)

[TheWriter]

Ok, well then you can get back to your fantasy land. Is your Mom at your door right now with a glass to her ear?

Does she ever let you out Norman?

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

Reasons I would sign malone
1.He would guard amare stoudamire as good if not better then duncan.
2. keep him away from other teams
3. If guys like jerome james are gonna say stuff about knocking manu down... what other player would u want to have your back?
4. people say he's dirty? ALOT of people say Bowens dirty. (even players)

[whottt]

I really need to ask Whott why he feel Juwan Howard is so scary

I don't...that's a weak attempt at humor by one of the board owners. He likes to pretend that Juwan didn't knock DA out of the game in the 01 playoffs...and he likes to pretend Juwan didn't deliberately shove Manu out of bounds last season, causing him to miss 5 games.



I don't care if Whott thinks that the white-hat days are over. I don't. And, I don't disapprove of Karl Malone because of the elbow to DR years ago. It's not a matter of superior morals.

And seeing as how this is the first post of yours that I have ever read...I don't really care what you think either. Somehow I made it 5500 posts without you.




I like the fact that Pop doesn't have to deal with recalcitrant players. The SA fans like these guys, the sports writers and announcers like these guys.

Did you actually read anything I wrote? Pop not having to deal with bad eggs isn't because of his own doing...he's tried to sign some bad guys, like some of of the worst guys in the league, he just hasn't been successful at it...yet.

You can't wear a white hat with Qyntel Woods on your team. And on the court you can't really wear one with Malone on your team.

[whottt]

Ok, well then you can get back to your fantasy land. Is your Mom at your door right now with a glass to her ear?

Does she ever let you out Norman?

Yawn.

It's a good thing you are too stupid to realize that you should kill yourself out of shame.

[TheWriter]

Oh but with David around to swing his "weight" around, none of this would of even been brought up. David with all that "stroke", David, the guy who said Malone should be the guy to replace him. That David?

David had no stroke with this team in terms of who they were going to sign or not sign. Quit making up things to take up the empty space in your mind.

[TheWriter]

Yawn.

It's a good thing you are too stupid to realize that you should kill yourself out of shame.

Yeah, that was a really good 8th grade comeback.

Now little Michael, let the grown ups live in the real world and have a serious discussion. You can go back to Neverland and play with all the little boys.

[whottt]

David had no stroke with this team in terms of who they were going to sign or not sign. Quit making up things to take up the empty space in your mind.

Yeah, because players never have any influence on their organization right?

And you fucking are running Santa Claus smack at me?

You the one living in fantasy land.

[Solid D]

Malone had been at his Arkansas ranch and was driving home to Newport Beach, Calif., when he stopped to visit with Spurs officials.

Driving home to Newport Beach...so he drives 10 hours south (500+ miles) out of his way to San Antonio. Hmmm?

[TheWriter]

Yeah, because players never have any influence on their organization right?

And you fucking are running Santa Claus smack at me?

You the one living in fantasy land.

No player has enough stroke to decided the moves a team makes, whether a player stays or go. You're the numnuts who actually believes this.

And don't use Kobe as an example. He made the Lakers pick between the two.

Dude, you keep impressing me. :elephant

[Spurs_rock05]

Whoa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Why are so many people chomping at the bit to get a guy who is 95 years old and coming off of a serious knee injury? At the end of the day I don't think he's going to be able to anything that Malik or Massenburg aren't already doing for the Spurs. I respect the hell out of his competitive fire and I can certainly see why that appeals to Pop. If he retires (which I think he will) the case could be made that he would be the greatest player to never win a championship. But at this point he is also an unnecessary personnel change to a team that is already playing first place basketball.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Hold on, so you're saying that Kobe forcing the Lakers to choose ISN'T an instance of a player influencing team moves? Last time I checked trading a superstar center counts as a "team move" and Kobe was certainly the driving factor behind it. And what about tossing Phil Jackson?

How about a few more examples. Vince Carter pouted until he got a trade, I think that's a sign of holding some sway on the powers that be. And I know he's not the first. Shit, A.I. has run off more head coaches than I can count. If a player is a club's meal ticket, and they know when they are, they can exercise a lot of sway. Sorry, Writer, but you're way off the mark on this one.

[whottt]

No player has enough stroke to decided the moves a team makes, whether a player stays or go. You're the numnuts who actually believes this.

Are you really this fucking stupid?




And don't use Kobe as an example. He made the Lakers pick between the two.

Dude, you keep impressing me. :elephant

Ok, I won't use Kobe as an example...I'll use Jason Kidd as an example. I'll use Tim Duncan as an example. I'll use Kevin Garnett as an example. I'll use Shaq as an example. And so on and so forth.

Just STFU.

And btw, that wasn't a comeback, it was the truth...I sincerely think it's good that you aren't ashamed to post. I would be if I were you.

It was also the truth when I said you are joke at 2 boards...you really are. Is there anyone whose ass you haven't tired to tongue and been told "no thanks"? How many guys have been banned for being stupid like you were?

I was stating the truth...I felt I needed to do that since you seem to pride yourself on knowing that there is no Santa. You want reality...there it is.

[TheWriter]

Hold on, so you're saying that Kobe forcing the Lakers to choose ISN'T an instance of a player influencing team moves? Last time I checked trading a superstar center counts as a "team move" and Kobe was certainly the driving factor behind it. And what about tossing Phil Jackson?

How about a few more examples. Vince Carter pouted until he got a trade, I think that's a sign of holding some sway on the powers that be. And I know he's not the first. Shit, A.I. has run off more head coaches than I can count. If a player is a club's meal ticket, and they know when they are, they can exercise a lot of sway. Sorry, Writer, but you're way off the mark on this one.

When you force a team to choose between you and another person, that's not the say as having stroke. It's just making a team decide if they want you. Any superstar can do that. No superstar and say fire this guy, hire this guy, sign him, release him. ETC. You're out of your freakin' skull if you believe that.

[TheWriter]

Are you really this fucking stupid?

No, but you are.

- Coyote means more to the Spurs than Robinson.

That's just one example in the many that describe how goddamn stupid you are.



Ok, I won't use Kobe as an example...I'll use Jason Kidd as an example. I'll use Tim Duncan as an example. I'll use Kevin Garnett as an example. I'll use Shaq as an example. And so on and so forth.

Well, seeing how you sound so confident, then use them as examples. Give me proof, solid proof. The burden is on you Sir Michael. When did Tim, Kidd, Shaq, Kevin, use "stroke" to solely make decisions for their organaztion... I'd really like to know.


Just STFU.

No doubt. Spur Team Fans United.


And btw, that wasn't a comeback, it was the truth...I sincerely think it's good that you aren't ashamed to post. I would be if I were you.

The only people that truly need to be ashamed is your parents. That is the cold sad truth.


It was also the truth when I said you are joke at 2 boards...you really are.

As opposed to you, who is a joke at two boards as well a joke in the real world,,, where I think it counts a more.

It's really sad you think anyone gives a shit about their online persona and how well they're receive with other "online" personas who are currently all looking at a computer screen. It's just truly sad.

Whether or not I'm liked here or or anywhere else on the internet really doesn't make me toss and turn at night. However, that can't be said for you. You probably wake up in a cold sweat every night.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

I'm still banging my head against the wall on this whole Kobe didn't have clout thing. I don't know if you're aware of this, but the Lakers organization would have been well with in their legal rights to tell Kobe that he could go fuck himself. Instead they make not one, but TWO key changes due to pressure from Bryant. That is not "making them decide if they want him". Free agency makes teams decide if they want a player. Getting Shaq and Phil one way tickets out of LA TOOK CLOUT YOU RETARD!

[TheWriter]

I'm still banging my head against the wall on this whole Kobe didn't have clout thing. I don't know if you're aware of this, but the Lakers organization would have been well with in their legal rights to tell Kobe that he could go fuck himself. Instead they make not one, but TWO key changes due to pressure from Bryant. That is not "making them decide if they want him". Free agency makes teams decide if they want a player. Getting Shaq and Phil one way tickets out of LA TOOK CLOUT YOU RETARD!

Phil resigned on his own free will. i hardly doubt Kobe was the one who got a 9 time NBA championship coach to resign. Well, Kobe was the reason, but that's just because he made Phil's lfe hell.

Kobe used his own superstar power to determine his own future. Not anyone elses. Hell, I don't even think Kobe did that anyway. Shaq wanted more money, the Lakers didn't want to pay, so he left. Kobe still played hard to get with LA even after they traded Shaq. But still, Kobe used his superstar status to determine the future.

Give me one example where a player on his own, solely made a decision for a NBA organization where there is a head coach to deal with, Owners to deal with, season ticket holders to deal with and fans to deal with.

Do you actually believe one player has enough stroke within a team to make any decision he wants? No. Sure he can voice his opinion but there is no way in hell one player has that much stroke, not even MJ.

[TheWriter]

Lets just put it this way.

If it's true Kobe made rhe Lakers decided between him and Shaq. It's simple. He threated the team. It's pretty easy to get your way if you threaten a team.

I.E. You don't do this, I'm leavind.

It's not the same as: "I'm [name] and I want you ro sign this guy.

Two days later, that player is signed.

No player has the power to do that.

[whottt]

No, but you are.

- Coyote means more to the Spurs than Robinson.

That's just one example in the many that describe how goddamn stupid you are.

No, that's just an example of you being such a weak bitch that you have to nutride someone elses BS smack, that comes from a period when you weren't even on this board.





Well, seeing how you sound so confident, then use them as examples. Give me proof, solid proof. The burden is on you Sir Michael. When did Tim, Kidd, Shaq, Kevin, use "stroke" to solely make decisions for their organaztion... I'd really like to know.

Why should I have to do work because you are A.Ignorant of NBA history even to last season, and B.Too much of fucking idiot to realize the leverage that Superstar players have on their teams?

I'm not your free education. Live stupid for all I care. I don't think I can cure your problem anyway so I'll just insult you instead.




No doubt. Spur Team Fans United.

No, I meant shut the fuck up...



As opposed to you, who is a joke at two boards as well a joke in the real world,,, where I think it counts a more.

It's really sad you think anyone gives a shit about their online persona and how well they're receive with other "online" personas who are currently all looking at a computer screen. It's just truly sad.

I don't think anyone likes being universally viewed as an obnoxious suck up dumbass. I could see someone enjoying being one or the other if they were doing it intentionally...but that's not what happened with you, you can't help it. But if you like it, then more power to ya.






Whether or not I'm liked here or or anywhere else on the internet really doesn't make me toss and turn at night.

And I bet you say that to yourself every morning out of necessity. Good for you.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Fine, let's pretend for a second that Kobe isn't pulling the strings in La-la land (as in Los Angeles, and not the dreamworld that you seem to be residing in). What about Iverson? If you want a concrete example, a few years ago during the search for the latest head coach (after Allen had run the last one out of there) he actually said in an interview that he fully expected that he could veto any candidate. And no one in the Sixers organization ever really stepped up and said that wasn't the case. And then when it came time for all of the NBA analysts to comment on it, many of them said that the reality of the NBA is that superstars have come to expect, and often get, a very large say in personnel moves.

I'm sorry I can't be more concrete than that but the reality of things is that if you only go on concrete proof then I guess that Oliver North really didn't recall a damn thing in the Iran Contra scandal.

[TheWriter]

No, that's just an example of you being such a weak bitch that you have to nutride someone elses BS smack, that comes from a period when you weren't even on this board.

Dude, I was in the chat room when you went up against almost everyone with your "Tim the Coyote Man means more to the Spurs than David" rant. You're the weak ass. Sorry, try again.


Why should I have to do work because you are A.Ignorant of NBA history even to last season, and B.Too much of fucking idiot to realize the leverage that Superstar players have on their teams?

Hey dumbshit, that's what I've been saying. Superstars have leverage. Kobe used his to threaten the Lakers. However, you for some reason believe a player can use his stroke to make any freakin' decision he wants.

That ain't happening. That's gonna happen right when the Wizard gives you a brain.


I'm not your free education. Live stupid for all I care. I don't think I can cure your problem anyway so I'll just insult you instead.

Dude, just provided one simple example with some facts to back it up. If you do, I'm make a post calling myself stupid and praising you. Come on, make me look bad. Do it. Or shut your bean hole.


I don't think anyone likes being universally viewed as an obnoxious suck up dumbass.

On the internet? Where the only thing you know about me is my handle name and the love I have for an NBA team? Yeah, I really care. Really, I do.

And I bet you say that to yourself every morning out of necessity. Good for you.

LOL... I knew the internet meant a lot to you. Where you associate your mindless obsession of looking good for fictional names such as Sequ, Ducks, Manny, and so one with everyone on the internet. Dude, we don't think like you. And for those who do, we call them nutty. They believe in the state hospital along with Michael and yourself.

You need to learn how to separate the real world from a computer screen and eyboard.

[TheWriter]

Fine, let's pretend for a second that Kobe isn't pulling the strings in La-la land (as in Los Angeles, and not the dreamworld that you seem to be residing in). What about Iverson? If you want a concrete example, a few years ago during the search for the latest head coach (after Allen had run the last one out of there) he actually said in an interview that he fully expected that he could veto any candidate. And no one in the Sixers organization ever really stepped up and said that wasn't the case. And then when it came time for all of the NBA analysts to comment on it, many of them said that the reality of the NBA is that superstars have come to expect, and often get, a very large say in personnel moves.

I'm sorry I can't be more concrete than that but the reality of things is that if you only go on concrete proof then I guess that Oliver North really didn't recall a damn thing in the Iran Contra scandal.


he actually said in an interview that he fully expected that he could veto any candidate.

Yeah,. because we're talking about "practice?" Iverson. I'm sure if you took everything to heart a NBA basketball player said, you'd think marbury was the best point guard right now, huh?

[TDrules01]

open your eyes people, malone is just what we need. why?
1) he is mentally and physically tough
2) he will be an inforcer on D and will be there to regulate on hard fouls; who better than malone to guard a shaq, r. wallace, kg, amare......malik, rasho, marks, who??? FACT: during 2003 2nd round series against spurs shaq avg 27ppg...i thought malik(many think he was awesome that yr) was one of the best shaq defenders.
3) he is a good free throw shooter
4) he has an awesome mid range jumper
5) he husttles and overall he loves to play bball and i think that we will play for SA for atleast 2 seasons. we will love him then cuz thats how fans are.

It is disturbing to know that you all think that malone is a thug, im sure he is stuborn and cocky but overall outside of bball he has comported himself as a gentleman.
on the court he can play dirty but if you have some bball experience you should know that in the heat of the game u will do what it takes to win, and theres also times when you can loose ur mind and do something you will later regret. (ask sjax)
think about it people, these guys get paid bank and they have so much added pressure that sometimes you just loose it(aside from my fav TD).

it is mistake to judge people by how they play on the court, ex TD is criticized for being quiet and all that bs, im sure he's not like that out side bball. also Rasheed, on the court he just seems like a thug but ive read so many articles of how good he is with kids, community, and his fam.

so please dont judge malone by what he did to drob...shit happens...again ask Sjax.

so accept malone with open arms and he will help deliver a few more rings.
trust pop, RC, and TDs decision they have made the spurs the best franchise on planet earth, so why start doubting them now. Dont forget this is a business and their goal is to present us with the best product they can put together. just imagine if we were in the Warriors/Hawks current state...how would you feel then.

Malone hope you are in.

just my thoughts.

[SLOVENIAN 8]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! :depressed

[whottt]

Dude, I was in the chat room when you went up against almost everyone with your "Tim the Coyote Man means more to the Spurs than David" rant. You're the weak ass. Sorry, try again.

Sorry dumbass...that wasn't origin of that smack...if you had been here you'd know that smack was bullshit anyway.




Hey dumbshit, that's what I've been saying. Superstars have leverage. Kobe used his to threaten the Lakers. However, you for some reason believe a player can use his stroke to make any freakin' decision he wants.


Show me where I said players have the stroke to make any decision they want...prick.

I never said it...you the one that started saying that, my guess is because you realized how incredibly stupid your original statements were.








Dude, just provided one simple example with some facts to back it up. If you do, I'm make a post calling myself stupid and praising you. Come on, make me look bad. Do it. Or shut your bean hole.

Dumbass..players do have the power to influence teams to sign players, to trade players...it just depends on the situation and what they are wanting.

You a fucking fool if you don't think Superstars have the power to get rid of scrubs or get them signed.

I just can't believe you are too stupid to think of one example on your own. I know you were around during offseason after we won our last title...I want you to think about that offseason for a second. Think about it really hard for a second. I refuse to give you a name...







LOL... I knew the internet meant a lot to you. Where you associate your mindless obsession of looking good for fictional names such as Sequ, Ducks, Manny, and so one with everyone on the internet. Dude, we don't think like you. And for those who do, we call them nutty. They believe in the state hospital along with Michael and yourself.

See this where you are full of shit....See, I'm a dickhead most of the time, I argue with everyone at one point or another, because I genuinely enjoy it.

You OTOT...often get worse reaction from people than I do..yet you are by and large a kissass, I mean I have seen you make some serious efforts to sucks peoples ass before and they still want to run you off....obviously you are having a bad life and are not wanting that reaction, and I'd say that problem probably does carry over into real life for you.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

I'd like to impart to you some wisdom my father told me when I was acting as stupidly as you are and then wash my hands of this whole thing:
"I'd love to keeping talking this over, but I've got some very important paint that I need to watch dry."

[TheWriter]

I'd like to impart to you some wisdom my father told me when I was acting as stupidly as you are and then wash my hands of this whole thing:
"I'd love to keeping talking this over, but I've got some very important paint that I need to watch dry."

But I have even more important grass to watch grow.

[TheWriter]

Show me where I said players have the stroke to make any decision they want...prick.


as I said earlier. David has run off guys that were bad character...

That's all that really needs to be said... or shown of just how smart our dear lady friend Whottt is... or should I say isn't.

[whottt]

How does me saying I think Dave has run off guys with bad character = me saying he had the stroke to force the team to make any decision he wanted?

David Robinson got the Spurs to give him a contract guranteeing him an average of the top 3 salaries in the NBA, he got the Spurs to pay him like a million a year when he was still in the Navy...

You don't think he had the stroke to get rid of a player, when he was playing for an organization that was struggling to keep itself afloat?

The fact that he had a contract guranteeing him an average of the top 3 salaries in the NBA proves just how much influence he had...

Superstars can get other players traded, they can get coaches fired...they have a lot of leverage and a lot of influence...how much they have varies depending on how bad their team wants to keep them and when they are up for contract renegotiation, stuff like that. The team doesn't have to do it...they could always trade the player away...but if they want to keep him they really don't have much of a choice.

[TheWriter]

He forced the team to give a contract? Um... no.

He's the talent. A team keeps its talent by paying for it. Of course the Spurs are going to pay big for Dave in his prime, because Dave in his prime was one of the best. However, he never had any stroke to get rid of a bad apple. No player does. Sorry. You're just stupid for believing that.

If you were one of the best software engineers at your job, and the rival company came to you with a better offer to work for them, but your current employer counters with a better offer. You sign it. Does that then mean you're able to fire or hire anyone you want? No. Of course not.

[TheWriter]

How does me saying I think Dave has run off guys with bad character = me saying he had the stroke to force the team to make any decision he wanted?


as I said earlier. David has run off guys that were bad character...

[whottt]

He forced the team to give a contract? Um... no.

He's the talent. A team keeps its talent by paying for it. Of course the Spurs are going to pay big for Dave in his prime, because Dave in his prime was one of the best. However, he never had any stroke to get rid of a bad apple. No player does. Sorry. You're just stupid for believing that.

If you were one of the best software engineers at your job, and the rival company came to you with a better offer to work for them, but your current employer counters with a better offer. You sign it. Does that then mean you're able to fire or hire anyone you want? No. Of course not.

Um if that company wants you to sign that offer and be productive and their survival depends on you...I gurantee you they are going to listen to what you have to say.


I don't think you grasp just how dependent the Spurs were on Robinson...I don't think grasp how dependent the Spurs were on Duncan. I don't think you grasp how dependent the Nets were on Kidd...the TWolves are on Garnett.

You just don't get it.

What's next? You gonna tell me that food isn't a necessity, you just have to eat it if you want to live? Dumbass. STFU and stop arguing with your betters.

[TheWriter]

Um if that company wants you to sign that offer and be productive and their survival depends on you...I gurantee you they are going to listen to what you have to say.

How old are you Whottt? Seriously, have you ever had a job? Of course besides being a double for Anna Nicole and Paris Hilton and being their go to girl when it came to tests and quizzes.



I don't think you grasp just how dependent the Spurs were on Robinson...I don't think grasp how dependent the Spurs were on Duncan. I don't think you grasp how dependent the Nets were on Kidd...the TWolves are on Garnett.

Yes, in terms of basketball. But in the business aspect of things, they have no choice on who is hired and who is fired. That falls on the OWNER[S] of the team, not the PLAYERS.


You just don't get it.

No, I get it, you're far from it.


What's next? You gonna tell me that food isn't a necessity, you just have to eat it if you want to live? Dumbass. STFU and stop arguing with your betters.

See, now you're not making sense. You weren't before but this is worse.

[Kori Ellis]

This is a weird argument.

I have a question, most people who don't want Malone ... why?

I know with timvp, it's not because he's a dirty player or because of the hit on David Robinson, it's because he thinks he's a drama queen who will just be coattailing to a possible Championship.

But what, specifically, is everyone else's reason?

If you say he has bad character, what do you mean exactly? Playing dirty? Any off the court activities?

Be specific, thanks.

[TheWriter]

I don't care. We've had plenty of coattailers on the Spurs and I heard no one cry.

Porter, Ferry, Willis, Kersey, Wilkins, etc. And I don't remember people bitching about them.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Regardless of emotions tied to the mailman here's the facts. He's super old, coming off a major knee injury, has sat out half the season and would be dropped into the mix against guys who are in midseason form, and the spurs are in first place right now. There's just no need.

[Kori Ellis]

He's super old, coming off a major knee injury, has sat out half the season and would be dropped into the mix against guys who are in midseason form, and the spurs are in first place right now. There's just no need.

This is pretty much my opinion.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

You sound like a very intelligent individual, Kori.

[TheWriter]

But the Spurs have nothing really to lose if they add him.

The worst thing that could happen is he sucks major ass, you just don't play him. Yet we still go on winning games like we did before.

He does well, makes the team even better and we're getting ready for a parade.

[mattyc]

1.He would guard amare stoudamire as good if not better then duncan.

A (relatively, due to injury) unfit guy, that hasn't played in over 6 months would not be able to keep up with Amare.

[indianspur]

We have to acknowledge that it was Malone who held the Lakers together last year. As Pop says, he has the entire package, he would bring a certain leadership on and off the court. A guy like him would be good in fourth quater meltdowns and stuff like that. So he has played foul earlier, but on the court emotions do run high, and he never done anything too serious to be pinned at. If he can improve the spurs, then we should go for it.

[Kori Ellis]

Well if you play him, that changes the rotations quite a bit. Pop has said repeatedly that Malone doesn't want to go anywhere and just play spot minutes.

[timvp]

When Malone comes, he's going to start.

Period.

[whottt]

Geeez and I thought Chump could be fucking dense.

You're stupid. No, you're worse than that, you are by far the stupidest person I have ever encountered on the internet...and that's really saying something. Words cannot describe...you are just stupid. Please never post to me again, ever. I feel my IQ being syphoned off just by being in the same thread with you. I am afraid of you. Go away from posting life and never bother me again. Please...I beg you. Put me on ignore. But just...go have your debates with someone else.

I want to argue with someone or something that has at least a shred of common sense..like a brick...Not someone who seems to be the absolute embodiment of just unrelenting stupidity and incomprehension and the total lack of realization of it.

This will not be the last time someone tells you you are stupid...it will happen again in your life, many times, and they will be telling you the truth...

Just one of these times please consider that they just might be right and that you are indeed stupid.

Only then will your recovery begin.

And when you do finally realize just how stupid you are, I hope you will have the true strength that your incomprable stupidity substitutes for now. If you don't..I sincerely fear for your health. Then again, maybe you are better off just staying stupid. Maybe this is natures way of protecting you...Disregard all that I just said, other than the part where I told you to fuck off and said you were the stupidest person I have ever encountered.

You have my deepest stupidity...er sincerity. And you are on ignore now. I am sorry, I said I would never do that to anyone...but I don't want to catch what you have.

[TheWriter]

Well if you play him, that changes the rotations quite a bit. Pop has said repeatedly that Malone doesn't want to go anywhere and just play spot minutes.

But if he;s gettin' minutes, it's because he deserves them. If he sucks, Pops not oing to play him. Pop doesn't care who he is.

He stopped playing Steve Smith in '03, he didn't play Brent for a while. He doesn't care who you are, if you're not bringing it, you won't play.

If Malone is getting a lot of minutes, it's because he's producing.

[TheWriter]

Geeez and I thought Chump could be fucking dense.

You're stupid. No, you're worse than that, you are by far the stupidest person I have ever encountered on the internet...and that's really saying something. Words cannot describe...you are just stupid. Please never post to me again, ever. I feel my IQ being syphoned off just by being in the same thread with you. I am afraid of you. Go away from posting life and never bother me again. Please...I beg you. Put me on ignore. But just...go have your debates with someone else.

I want to argue with someone or something that has at least a shred of common sense..like a brick...Not someone who seems to be the absolute embodiment of just unrelenting stupidity and incomprehension and the total lack of realization of it.

This will not be the last time someone tells you you are stupid...it will happen again in your life, many times, and they will be telling you the truth...

Just one of these times please consider that they just might be right and that you are indeed stupid.

Only then will your recovery begin.

And when you do finally realize just how stupid you are, I hope you will have the true strength that your incomprable stupidity substitutes for now. If you don't..I sincerely fear for your health. Then again, maybe you are better off just staying stupid. Maybe this is natures way of protecting you...Disregard all that I just said, other than the part where I told you to fuck off and said you were the stupidest person I have ever encountered.

You have my deepest stupidity...er sincerity. And you are on ignore now. I am sorry, I said I would never do that to anyone...but I don't want to catch what you have.

I'm glad it took you an hour to think that up and then type it. Feel good, because I didn't read a word of it. I'm done with your stupid self. Just go back to praising the Coyote and leave the grownup talk to everyone but yourself.

Like disco, I'm done.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

This is a weird argument.

I have a question, most people who don't want Malone ... why?

I know with timvp, it's not because he's a dirty player or because of the hit on David Robinson, it's because he thinks he's a drama queen who will just be coattailing to a possible Championship.

But what, specifically, is everyone else's reason?

If you say he has bad character, what do you mean exactly? Playing dirty? Any off the court activities?

Be specific, thanks.

http://www.fullsportpress.com/artman/publish/article_443.shtml

I agree with LJ. Bad chemistry mix to bring him in now.

[usckk]

When Malone comes, he's going to start.

Period.

Why do you think that? Coach Pop tends to favor Duncan playing PF.

[Mark in Austin]

Fuck. Keep the title kryptonite away from this team.

I was against this from the moment speculation started this summer. If Malone had announced his intentions then, and been solidly a Spur from the start of the season - been in town and attended games and practices like the other injured reserve players, then it would at least show he was being respectful to this team and this city.

But the way he's handled things to this point has been shameful - it's almost like he's trying to see how much he can get away with and still have a team pick him up.

Fuck his constant need for attention, his drama queen attitude, his lack of clutch performances in the biggest games, and his rapist past.

At this point, the only reason I could see the Spurs actually signing him is if he gives the clear indication he'll sign with a team the Spurs see as a legit threat in the post season.

[usckk]

Nice point: Malone lost in the NBA finals three times!

[picnroll]

If Malone comes he will be on the floor with TD in crunch time. Personally I'd love to see Paker and Manu running pick and roll with Malone.

[SequSpur]

Most people don't want Malone because he is filled with Jazz/Laker Blood. 2 things that are hard to accept by any Spurs fan.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Step back from the ledge Whottt. Superstars do have a say in organizational issues, superstars also are the reason why other decent players sign with teams in free agency. If I was Pop, I would take Timmy to every meeting I have and I would also pay for his 3 meals a day at the restaurant of his choice. Timmy made Popovich and Popovich knows it. Michael made Phil Jackson, Akeem made Rudy T. The only coach who made himself is Larry Brown, he doesn't need anyone and his ass will probably quit this summer.

This is a player's league, period. Remember when David took out the full page ad in the Express News because he was sick and tired of sitting in airports for hours? He called out Red McCombs to buy a plane.

The Spurs have had their share of characters just like any other team, however the leadership was always available to keep the balance on the good side. Thanks to David and Tim.

Late.

[IcemanCometh]

http://solastyear.com/malowned.jpg

[TDrules01]

open your eyes people, malone is just what we need. why?
1) he is mentally and physically tough
2) he will be an inforcer on D and will be there to regulate on hard fouls; who better than malone to guard a shaq, r. wallace, kg, amare......malik, rasho, marks, who??? FACT: during 2003 2nd round series against spurs shaq avg 27ppg...i thought malik(many think he was awesome that yr) was one of the best shaq defenders.
3) he is a good free throw shooter
4) he has an awesome mid range jumper
5) he husttles and overall he loves to play bball and i think that we will play for SA for atleast 2 seasons. we will love him then cuz thats how fans are.

It is disturbing to know that you all think that malone is a thug, im sure he is stuborn and cocky but overall outside of bball he has comported himself as a gentleman.
on the court he can play dirty but if you have some bball experience you should know that in the heat of the game u will do what it takes to win, and theres also times when you can loose ur mind and do something you will later regret. (ask sjax)
think about it people, these guys get paid bank and they have so much added pressure that sometimes you just loose it(aside from my fav TD).

it is mistake to judge people by how they play on the court, ex TD is criticized for being quiet and all that bs, im sure he's not like that out side bball. also Rasheed, on the court he just seems like a thug but ive read so many articles of how good he is with kids, community, and his fam.

so please dont judge malone by what he did to drob...shit happens...again ask Sjax.

so accept malone with open arms and he will help deliver a few more rings.
trust pop, RC, and TDs decision they have made the spurs the best franchise on planet earth, so why start doubting them now. Dont forget this is a business and their goal is to present us with the best product they can put together. just imagine if we were in the Warriors/Hawks current state...how would you feel then.

Malone hope you are in.

[Mark in Austin]

1) he is mentally and physically tough


Complete and utter horseshit. Malone has never, ever come through when it mattered most.


It is disturbing to know that you all think that malone is a thug, im sure he is stuborn and cocky but overall outside of bball he has comported himself as a gentleman.


I'm sure the woman er... girl he sexually assulted in college would have a different opinion.


so please dont judge malone by what he did to drob

One incident doesn't establish a pattern of behavior. I'm judging him on what he's done to many opponents (Isiah, Hakeem, Robinson, more), the fact that he never shows up when it matters most, and that he's handled this situation this year like a cocktease playing hard to get, instead of like a man.

[T Park]

One of Pop's first moves was signing Vernon Maxwell

in 1989??

If not, Pop came on in 94 and Vernon was signed in 96 97.

[Frenchise player]

I can understand that in a Spurs forum, only the fact of mentioning the name of Karl Malone can iritate some posters.
The thing is that he is one of the players who hurt the most badly the hopes of Spurs fan during the 90's. But the he still is one of the all-time best power foward.
Sure today he isn't any more what he used to be, but las year he was one of the main reasons why the lakers had eliminated the Spurs.
I don' understand why some posters say that he will mess up with the chemistry. He was one of the reasons why the Lakers remaind focus on the title and that Kobe and Shaq relationship didn't screw up the entire team (it was certainly not GP).
Another silly thing that was apointed is that he will give bad luck to the Spurs.
I don't believe in bad luck, the main reason why Malone didn't win a title yet is Jordan.
Overall, Malone can be useful to the Spurs that is maybee a little bit too short in the frontcourt (at least if Rose doesn't play like he did against LA).

To my mind, the whole Whottt's theory about the end of high character era is unproven.
I don't know how you can say that DR team had more good guys than the current team.
It is funny that you try to discart any importance of Pop. I don't believe in the hand of god, Bufford and POP had the luck to have two franchse player who are nice guys too (one in the navy and Duncan who stayed in the university for the whole four years), but they have picked guys like Manu, Parker, Beno who are good players and nice people too.
The fact that Spurs are trying to get people like Woods is irrelevant to say that POP don't care about having nice teamates. One of the most impressing things about the Spurs is that in this team even players who are thought to be "scumbags" behave like nice people (Sjax is an exemple).
But you most believe that people who have done some mistakes are unforgivable. Don't you think that you have to see why their behaviour is wrong instead of condamning them? Can't you see how disturbing is to grow as poor kids and then have all the money in the world. That's why we have so much luck to support a team that has hired this bunch of good guys.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

karl malone is just one of those guys you either have to love or love to hate. we all love to hate him.

[T Park]

Amazing how one signing of a player, can turn a "quality franchise"

into the trailblazers.

[TDrules01]

Complete and utter horseshit. Malone has never, ever come through when it mattered most


dumbass...DROB was also a big choke, didnt Hakeem use him during his MVP yr, how many championships did SA have b4 TD???.

malone led the way for LA to make it to atleast the finals, and sadly dont you recall how great he played TD in the post. last thing we want is for malone to play for MIA or even MIN

good thing pop will do whats best for the team!!! shit, i trust him

[Mark in Austin]

even players who are thought to be "scumbags" behave like nice people (Sjax is an exemple).


There's a difference between signing a second year player nobody wants that has a history of not understanding the team concept to a low-risk deal

and

signing a veteran who has a long established history of borderline criminal behavior on the court and who has been jerking the Spurs around all season.

If he wanted to play here, he should have just said so, and then done his rehab in San Antonio to bond with the team and get to know how things work here. At keast you could respect that he really wanted to make an effore, like he did in ellay. But the way he's done things so far this season is bullshit.

[SPARKY]

Some of you need to snap out of it. The Spurs have signed aging Spur killers before who were nothing more than title chasing whores. Remember Kersey? Porter? Willis?

Also, man, Robert Horry is a Spur. Robert Fucking Horry.

There are plenty of reasons to be opposed to such a significant change this late in the season, but spare me the crap about how we can't have a 'Spur enemy' wearing the silver and black.

[T Park]

If Malone plays in last years finals, the Lakers win it.

Simple as that.

Had Malone not reinjured the knee vs Minnesota, they wouldve beaten detroit, and would probobly be going for number 2 this year.

Malone was pretty much the reason they got by the Spurs last year too.

His defense on Tim Duncan allowed Shaq to roam the paint and shut down the Spurs interior offense.

So IMO, Karl Malone brings what he brought LAST YEAR?

The Spurs will be ok.

[SLOVENIAN 8]

When will be known if Malone sign for Spurs??? Today, tomorrow???

[Mark in Austin]

dumbass...DROB was also a big choke, didnt Hakeem use him during his MVP yr

Yeah, we should sign Malone because Hakeem outplayed David in '95. You got me, kid. Great point.

[T Park]

Signing Malone will mean the cutting of someone.

Im guess the culprit will be Sean Marks.

Sorry New Zelanders.

[TDrules01]

Yeah, we should sign Malone because Hakeem outplayed David in '95. You got me, kid. Great point.

my bad, it just wasnt '95. 0 final appereances b4 TD so that would put drob in the "Complete and utter horseshit. Malone has never, ever come through when it mattered most" malone category. malone atleast made it to the finals.

[ALVAREZ6]

I wouldn't mind malone as long as he can play D.

Horry couldn't play D for shit on Lamar Odom.

[SequSpur]

Malik and another player will be traded. Sign Malone and bring in the new player, simple math.

[usckk]

Haha Slovenian8, you must really want Malone to be a Spurs. But just don't get too excited. Their meeting does not mean he's signing with the Spurs. They were just talking. They have been talking for 8 months now. Personally I do not think he will sign.

However, let's hypothetically say he signs and see what will happen.

The signing of Malone will make trading Malik easier for the Spurs because they no longer have to worry about a shortage of experienced bigmen. If nobody wants Malik, the Spurs would put Wilks to the IL. Further, coach pop will not package anyone with Malik for a trade, unless it's Marks or Massengburg. Some people will say the SPurs would package Brown. But that's completly stupid. Brown will be an important piece when the SPurs play the Suns and the Sonics, where the Spurs have to play 4 guards with Brown playing PF. Moreover, I see Malone being the 2nd bigman off the bench at first, but he will slowly become the first late in the season to the playoffs.

All of this is just my speculations. However, overall, I still say Malone will NOT sign.

[ALVAREZ6]

Malik and another player will be traded. Sign Malone and bring in the new player, simple math.
Either way , Malone is gone next season.

Scola coming to the Spurs!

[TDrules01]

Malik and another player will be traded. Sign Malone and bring in the new player, simple math

that would be a perfect scenario...Malik gone fishin.

[SLOVENIAN 8]

Haha Slovenian8, you must really want Malone to be a Spurs. But just don't get too excited.


No I am not excited, i just want to know when, today or never. I dont like that he sign for Spurs!!
I really dont know if signing malone is good thing or bad???
I really wouldnt be happy if when Malone sign Spurs go down!!!

But if he sign Rasho will be still first starting Center!

[BronxCowboy]

Malone plays cheap. You guys have all probably watched him. He's not what he used to be, and he stays effective by playing cheap. Of course he always has, but now that's all he has left. Some people call his cheap shit smart play, and it may help his team win games, but it doesn't do anything to earn my respect. Great players don't have to threaten injury to their opponents every trip down the court, they don't have to do sneaky things where the refs can't see to give themselves an advantage, and they don't have to talk trash to get their point across. That's why Malone is terribly overrated. He's an arrogant, crude jerk-off who doesn't have the game anymore to back up his mouth. If the Spurs win with Malone on board, I could never feel like they won fairly unless he really cleaned up his game, which he never will. We can only expect it to get worse as his physical abilities decay. Furthermore, this team is good enough as it is. They are already on pace for the highest season win total in Spurs history. Why put a blemish on that? They are already favorites for the title. "Fans" who think that these Spurs need Malone are proving their lack of confidence and pride in their team. Show some support for the team we have, people.

[BronxCowboy]

BTW, I don't believe in Whottt's theory of a high-character era either, but for the record, I didn't want Vernon Maxwell, I didn't want Webber, I didn't want Nesby, Strickland, Anderson, Burton, Kidd, Rodman, or Kobe, and I don't Malone. It's always better to be able to cheer for guys you want to cheer for. Yes, the Spurs front office has a history of pursuing all varieties of unsavory characters, and I think it's shameful. Stop already and forget about Malone. Sure, Timvp and some of the rest of you are right to point out that the Spurs would have dumped the Admiral for Webber, Parker for Kidd, Manu for Kobe, etc., but that doesn't mean that we as fans should start wanting these things to happen. Of course winning is everything, but that doesn't mean it should be.

[wildbill2u]

I don't know bout him signing with the spurs? i mean do we need him?
i think we have a good team right now to me he would just a be a bench warmer

I think a healthy Malone might, just might, beat out Horry, Massenburg and Malik the Magnificent as the first big off the bench.

[wildbill2u]

Karl can't afford his own big screen tv? :lol

Probably can, but this one is the size of an outdoor drive-in screen. :spin

[wildbill2u]

When Malone comes, he's going to start.

Period.
First of all, wouldn't that mean a position change for Tim to center with Malone playing PF? I think Tim could handle that quite nicely with Rasho as a backup. (Hmm. That ought to please the Run-off Rasho folks.)

I disagree that Pop would automatically start him--but if he won the job because of his ability and performance--then why would anyone have a problem with that?

[ChumpDumper]

First of all, wouldn't that mean a position change for Tim to center with Malone playing PF?Tim's game wouldn't change one iota no matter where or when Malone played. C and PF are fairly meaningless designations for the Spurs.

[SLOVENIAN 8]

Rasho will be first Center, becouse they paid him to much taht he start from the bench. Malone would play when Rasho or Tim go out

[ChumpDumper]

From a basketball standpoint, I guess Rasho would start to keep the defensive continuity more than anything. It is difficult to see Malone agreeing to come off the bench, but damn -- that would be one of the sickest bench lineups in history.

[TDrules01]

in 03 with LA malone avg ~ 13ppg 9rpg 4 ast, shot 48%; and he was the 4th option there behind shaq, kobe, payton.
so whats the deal about him not capable of playing now, yea he had an injury but overall he takes good care of himself.
FACT: in 19 season he has failed to play 80 games only 2 times (98,03) so he is not injury prone. 16 seasons of 80 or more games thats awesome. (durability AKA Emmitt Smith)

also, only in 85, 03 he failed to avg over 20ppg.
throught his career he has avg ~38min per game... so he is not in the same category as kevin willis.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I think Malone wanted to guage just how serious the Spurs are about acquiring him. Solid made a good point; Karl went 500 miles out of his way to drive through San Antonio. He's obviously weighing his decision to return pretty seriously.

You don't turn down a hall-of-famer if he wants to play here and has the game to do so.

Kori asked folks to spell out why they don't want him on the Spurs. I want to explain some of the reasons for those of us who do want him here. People who don't think he'd be a good addition need to look at some obvious points.

1. If this team has a weakness, it's in our frontline support of TD. Rasho, Horry and Malik don't garner the kind of respect that Karl does. He's bigger and stronger than all 3 of those guys. He's a better shooter and passer. He'd get the kind of respect from the refs and opposing coaches that would allow Duncan to free up and be even more effective, and he would probably be able to spell Duncan enough to allow TD to be completely rested come playoff time. Malone can step out and hit jump shots and is a great interior passer, he'd make his teammates better.

2. All Rasho has brought to the table this year is a little interior D, the occassional outside jumpshot, and a dunk about as often as Haley's comet roars past our solar system. If anyone is going to lose minutes in this deal it would be him, and I don't see that as a bad thing. Horry and Malik will still battle for sloppy seconds. People are saying that Malone folds in the post season? Rasho hasn't even shown up yet this year.

3. Pop will have even more looks to throw at opposing teams this way. You'd rather have too many tools in your toolbox than not enough. Adding Malone will provide Pop with more to play with. . .more is GOOD.

4. Marks and Massenbug suck as our ummm. . .backups backups. Sorry, they do. Who would you rather see Pop resort to if someone is hurt, or if Malik is playing catch with Grandma in the 4th row....Sean "I should have been a CPA" Marks, or Karl Malone? Karl at 50% is better than Marks and Massenburg combined. I hear people saying all the time that one of those guys should be getting more minutes because our 4 and 5 spots are so inconsistent after you get past TD in the rotation. Why not have Karl as your fail-safe instead of those two?

5. He won't cost anything. This signing won't put any financial burden on the Spurs.

6. He's not going to disrupt the system Pop has in place. Pop wouldn't allow that. Karl Malone is not Dennis Rodman, and Gregg Poppovich is not Bob Hill. Period.

7. TD wants him. You do anything you can to keep TD happy. Whatever TD wants, TD gets. It's his team....HIS TEAM BABY!!! Oh, wait, I was thinking about Kobe there for a second...nevermind.

[spurster]

I have a question, most people who don't want Malone ... why?

What's there not to like? We were wondering for years when Malone's age would catch up with him. Now he's become mortal and either he's had an injury serious enough to keep him off the court for half a season or he's waiting to piggyback on a NBA title team. If the Spurs sign him, he'll be the center of attention from then to eternity (or so it will seem). I like to watch the Spurs now, but if and when the Malone show comes, it will be completely and absolutely disgusting and we will be driven into gibbering insanity, things like hoping that Shaq and Miami will win the title. As you can tell, the gibbering part is starting even at the threat of this.

[SLOVENIAN 8]

If he sign for Spurs only better thing would be new rosters for NBA Live 2005 online league!!!! :lmao :lmao :lmao

[usckk]

ESPN finally heard about the Karl Malone story. It's on thier website now.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Anyone who wouldn't welcome Karl to the Spurs is nuts.

Think about Fortson wresting with Duncan all the time in those two Seattle wins. That shit won't happen with Malone around.

[whottt]

I'm glad it took you an hour to think that up and then type it. Feel good, because I didn't read a word of it. I'm done with your stupid self. Just go back to praising the Coyote and leave the grownup talk to everyone but yourself.

Like disco, I'm done.


Hey, don't kill the messenger.

And please don't ever say "Like disco, I'm done" again...It actually makes me feel sorry for you.

[Sec24Row7]

ewww interesting

[whottt]

This is a weird argument.

What was so weird about it? Writer is saying that SuperStar players don't have the power to force trades or signings...seems like a pretty cut and dried case of him being incredibly wrong to me.


I have a question, most people who don't want Malone ... why?

I know with timvp, it's not because he's a dirty player or because of the hit on David Robinson, it's because he thinks he's a drama queen who will just be coattailing to a possible Championship.

And TimVP was willing to give up his fandom because Malone is a coattailing drama queen?

I don't buy it, in fact I know he gave other reasons originally.

Why wasn't he going to give up his fandom when Terry Porter signed? Barry? Willis?







But what, specifically, is everyone else's reason?

If you say he has bad character, what do you mean exactly? Playing dirty? Any off the court activities?

Be specific, thanks.

Karl Malone isn't my most hated player...and I'm not going to stop being a fan if the Spurs sign him...in fact he could help the team in a lot of ways as long as we don't make him too much a part of the rotation and rely on him too much.

I actually think signing him later in the season is less risky than doing it earlier in the season...Now, we already know we are the best team in the NBA, even without Malone..so if his age catches up with him and he goes down to injury, we won't miss a beat, we won't have a drop off in confidence trying to replace him.


But there is one thing that I get irate about...Spursfans do have a holier than though attitude, there is a public perception of organization being one committed to class and sportsmanship and by and large it has been but due more to flukes than anything else, and every move by Pop proves this...I'm sorry that TimVP doesn't realize that, but I have to ask just where he has been...that is the perception of the Spurs.

It's been the perception of the Spurs for a long time.

Anyway, what makes me irate is I see other Spurfans up on their high horse all the time when they are talking to fans of other organization...calling their players scum, their organizations classless, citing the Spurs perception of being classy...I see a lot of Spurfans do it...and these guys are the same ones that jump on the Malone and Qyntel Woods bandwagon. It just sits wrong with me. Talk about BS.

It's also funny to watch everyone downplay the thuggery of players when they think they might be signing with the Spurs...why not just admit that you don't care if the guy is a thug....or that you know he is a thug. I did.


Malone is a thug on the court. He deliberately tries to injure guys, he always has. And he does not care if he injures them.

Go look at that video of him elbowing David Robinson and tell me that is just a routine foul not intended to hurt...he had so much torque behind that elbow Drob is lucky his skull wasn't cracked open right then and there ending his career on the spot. And Malone has cracked a guys skull open before. He knows exactly what he is doing.

If we are going to sign these guys, fine, but then people need to get off the high horse about the Spurs being an organzation committed to sportsmanship and classy play. The class came from Drob and now we are just another organization. ...because there is nothing classy about Karl Malone's play, he's a total thug on the court who has ended careers and who does try to injure players without a second thought and I seriously question the integrity and intelligence of anyone who says otherwise.

Jason Kidd playing for the Spurs doesn't mean he's not a wifebeating punk...and Karl Malone playing here doesn't mean he's not a injure dealing and career ending thug. There is no longer anything special about this organization, in terms of class and sportsmanship, once we sign a guy like Malone. And Pop deserves very little credit for the rep this organization has in terms of class and sportsmanship. Not with the guys he tries to sign.

Might as well be honest about it.

[CHAMPS AGAIN]

When Malone comes, he's going to start.

Period.

Hey, TIMVP how much do you want for your season tickets,sometime back I heard you would give up your tickets if they signed MALONE.If he signs before the next home game that means you won't attend another home SPURS game untill MALONE is gone,what a SPURS FAN. Just give a price and I know alot of SPURS FAN would pay you for them.

SPURS 2005 CHAMPS

With MALONE or without.

[TDrules01]

whott :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[TDrules01]

good point CHAMPS AGAIN...haha timvp...

[Rick Von Braun]

Think about this:

Starters:
TP
Manu
Bowen
TD
Rasho

Bench:
Beno
Wilks
Barry
Brown
Malone
Horry
Malik

IR:
Sato
Linton
TonyM

That's a hell of a bench right there!

Two scenarios:

1) Karl is physically ok and ready to contribute off the bench. With TD/Rasho/Malone/Horry/Malik big's rotation, the Spurs would have arguably one of the deepest frontcourts in the entire league.

2) Karl is not physically ok and/or not ready to accept his dimished role. First, the Spurs invest very little financially, essentially the pro-rated part of 1.1M of a 10 year veteran minimum salary, which is mostly paid by the league anyway. Second, they still have TonyM if Malone's experiment doesn't work. Finally, they only price paid is cutting Sean Marks, losing a nice guy for practice and a good teammate in the locker room.

I think signing Karl is a low-risk / high-potential-benefit proposition. Pop and Tim will not let Karl become a cancer in the locker room. He will have plenty of competition from the other guys (Malik and Horry), and he will have to fight for minutes if he wants to play. If he is ready, the Spurs will have a nice combination of finesse/physical frontcourt that could play anyone, any style, anywhere.

Strangely enough, the only thing that bothers me a little is karma. Don't laugh... Karl Malone could be kriptonite for the Spurs' title run.

[usckk]

If you put T. Mass in the IL, Marks willl still be on the bench.

[Rick Von Braun]

If you put T. Mass in the IL, Marks willl still be on the bench.You have 12 players in your active roster. If Karl Malone joins the Spurs, one player must be cut, and one player must go to the IL.

[usckk]

Why did Malone take Duncan to the restaurant? Shouldn't the host be the person who drives.

[Uncle Donnie]

What a coat-tailing bitch. He was supposedly 99% ready to retire. If the Spurs aren't 38-10 you think he drives out of his way to stop over in San Antonio? As far as getting a ring, he's in a great position: wait as long as possible, see if there is any team that looks like a sure thing and if there is, sign with them. If not, wait until next year.

At this point it looks like a given that the evil bastard will be wearing a Spurs uniform soon. I'm still a fan but Whottt is right, call it for what it is. Karl Malone is a piece of shit.

[FilSpursFan]

Charlotte Bobcats needs him more... He should sign there

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I can't believe some of you are so against this. DRob, Tim, and Pop all want him, but you're letting some old grudge get in your way.

If he's good enough for the MVP, maybe some of you should take a step back and reassess the situation.

[T Park]

but but but, he threw an elbow almost 7 years ago Aggie that a person I dont know, forgave him for already.

Come on, we all know the guy, hes pure evil :rolleyes.

[whottt]

but but but, he threw an elbow almost 7 years ago Aggie that a person I dont know, forgave him for already.

Come on, we all know the guy, hes pure evil :rolleyes.

http://www.makingpages.org/hoops/nash.tooth.jpg
Hey dumbass! This wasn't 7 years ago!



Keep telling yourself he's not like that anymore. You fool no one but yourself.

Whatever...

[T Park]

Poor thing.

Guess Malone is just pure evil.

He knocked a guy's tooth out. Oh the horror.


Its steve Nash, he probobly called malone a nazi and he popped him one.

[dcole50]

willis was a physical player too. i don't see the problem.

[T Park]

Fine, dont sign him.

Fuck wanting to get better.

[T Park]

willis was a physical player too
People also like to forget the total cheap shot he threw at scott williams in the playoffs a couple years ago.

[PM5K]

Well if he is on our team he won't be hurting anyone but the opposition. We have always had a Karl Malone on our team, just not a hall of fame one:

Kevin Willis
Tony Massenberg

Both players who play like Karl Malone and come from that old school where they teach you to play tough, not wear knee braces, and use those elbows to keep those stupid little guards from trying to jump in and poke out the ball......

[SPARKY]

On second thought, I'd trade Sean Marks for a 41 year old Karl Malone with a bum knee at this point in the season.

[whottt]

Want Malone all you want but please stop saying he doesn't try to injure guys...and please stop comparing him to Willis and Massenburg, because there is no comparison.

You guys simply want a player that tries to injure other guys. It's ok, just stop saying he isn't a thug, and doesn't try to inure guys, because he is a thug and he does try to injure guys...and you are plain ole ignorant if you don't realize it.

[atlfan25]

He doesn't try to injure people, he just puts his elbows out and if someone happens to run into it, then so be it.

Spurs should sign him, some toughness down on the block couldn't hurt...the Spurs that is.

[whottt]

He doesn't try to injure people, he just puts his elbows out and if someone happens to run into it, then so be it.


Hmm, you must be one of the stupid ones.

Be sure to watch the video:


http://video.woai.com/launcher/82036,565/

[atlfan25]

I was just rephrasing it as Malone might say it. I think thats how he thinks of it, and just doesn't care if he hurts anyone or not.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

To play devil's advocate whott, a lot of people say the same thing about Bowen.

[whottt]

My bad ATLFan, I really don't have that much of a problem with people who want Malone, until they start BSing the situation.


To play devil's advocate whott, a lot of people say the same thing about Bowen.


I personally didn't like what Bowen did to Wally, or Brent Barry(that big ass gash) for that matter...I think you can make more of a case for Bowen being dirty than you can Willis or Massenburg. But he's still nothing like Malone. Bruce tries intimidation and to piss his man off...he doesn't try to fracture their skull. If Bruce had really been trying to injure Wally, Wally would not have gotten back up.



I want to say something about Willis' elbow...Scott Williams was getting pretty physical with Willis too, and he gets his shots in in games. Williams plays wild and physical. If anyone goes back and watches that game they will see a sequence when Williams dove for a ball and nearly took Willis' knees out. I didn't like it when Willis threw that blatant elbow, but Williams WAS getting physical with Willis as well...but just to point out why that style of play really has no business in the NBA... that elbow nearly cost us that series, and likely would have were it not for the best game of Ferry's playoff career.

I think it sucks that the league allows players that have a certain mentality that it is better to win by cheapshotting and injuring a guy, than by playing better basketball.

I know the way I feel every time one of our players goes down...especially to a cheap shot. I don't like it. I don't like it when I see it happen to other players. I don't want to see a talented player who is fun to watch, get his career ruined by some ahole that can't win without injuring someone...I don't think that's fun to watch, and I don't think it's good for the NBA ultimately...at least not if they are trying to market themselves as family entertainment.

[mattyc]

Charlotte Bobcats needs him more... He should sign there
The Kitties have no coattails to ride.

[Uncle Donnie]

Need I remind you people?

One more reason we don't want Karl Malone (http://www.yankeepotroast.org/daily/040521.html)

[Ghost Writer]

Sign him.

Leave no stone unturned.

The risk is worth the reward.

[T Park]

think you can make more of a case for Bowen being dirty than you can Willis

Ive never seen Bruce Bowen intentionally nail a guy in the neck like Kevin Willis.

Once again, your ignoring that.

[SpursWoman]

Need I remind you people?

One more reason we don't want Karl Malone (http://www.yankeepotroast.org/daily/040521.html)


:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[SPARKY]

The problem I have with Malone is that he didn't sign with the Spurs prior to the season. That way he could have been with the team from day one and then when he was ready to play the disruption would be much less than if he joined the team in mid-season (actually, after mid-season if he joins now).

From a chemistry perspective I think it would have meant a great deal to have him with the team starting in early October (if not earlier) instead of in early February. There would have been more time for him to learn the Spurs system, develop relationships with his teammates, and ingratiate himself with the fans or whatever.

[T Park]

Can't argue with that Marcus, I agree it woudlve made the transition and the integration of malone simple.

But, can't do anything about it now.

Well see if he is even coming at the end of the week, who knows.

[picnroll]

Pop wants Malone. If Malone wants to be a Spur he'll be a Spur. Pout, scream, kick, whine, wet you pants, utter oaths you won't go to or watch another Spurs game, post messages until your fingers bleed but nothing's going to change these simple facts.

[Extra Stout]

Karl Malone is Hitler. Hitler killed six million Jews. If the Spurs sign Karl Malone, they are complicit in the murders of six million Jews. Those are war crimes. Those war crimes draw the death penalty. So, logically, all the Spurs are deserving of death.

Since many of us are passionate about this, we should not allow this injustice to continue. Let's form a mob and kill all the Spurs.

[SpursWoman]

:lol :lol

[T Park]

lmao.

Sarcasm and joking at its best. Funny stuff Stout.

[ChumpDumper]

If anyone goes back and watches that game they will see a sequence when Williams dove for a ball and nearly took Willis' knees out. I didn't like it when Willis threw that blatant elbow, but Williams WAS getting physical with Willis as well.As long as a team with Danny Fortson is in the playoffs, I'll take a guy like Malone anyday. TMass would probably be ok but Fortson actually gets more respect from the refs and Malone is simply a better player (insert mandatory "if healthy" disclaimer here).

I do NOT want this team to be ousted from the playoffs by Danny Fortson's free throws.

[SequSpur]

Karl Malone is better than Rasho and Malik combined.

[Spurs_rock05]

Just One Thing I Hate The Lazy Sob With Passion I Never Have Hated Anyone Before But I Hate Him, The Lazy Sob I'll See If The Spurs Win Me A Ring Baceuse I Have Never Won Shit All These Years In The Nba. So Karl You Lazy Ass No Good For Nothing Go Find Another Team To Carry You.

[SPARKY]

You can say many things about Malone, but "lazy" isn't one of them.

[alisalizard]

:hang I hate karl malone. a lot of people in san antonio hate him too. how can fans forget what he did to david robinson, knocking him out cold. last year how many times did he hurt other players with that damn violent elbowing he does. karl doesnt deserve to be a spur. he just wants a ring and he knows this is his last chance to get one. i am seriously considering selling back my season tickets if the spurs sign him. maybe if more season ticket owners did that, the people in charge would reconsider trying to sign him.

[Dex]

:shootme

[Smackie Chan]

T Park said he can't argue and that someone was funny in the same topic? Ok when did T park get laid? I missed this epic event.....

You spur fans are pathetic and I may have to call Fox radio in the morning to call you out, if not tune into Jim Rome you don't want to miss this ...........



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