Flopsama: I am willing to discuss offshore drilling

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/_Obama_shifts_says_he_may_0801.html

Poor boutons, his head is going to explode.

Flopsama and McFlopwhatevercutenameboutonshasforMcCain, two peas in a pod.


I was against it before I was for it.

-Obama

[Trainwreck2100]

He had to

[Hook Dem]

Say it ain't so!:rollin

[Mr. Peabody]

That's the problem The Daily Kos-wing of the Democratic Party has with Obama. He's a pragmatist and not an ideologue. I would imagine that many of those on the far left don't even know that Obama is in favor of nuclear energy.


Speaking to reporters in Cape Canaveral, Florida, the Senator elaborates on his new potential openness to offshore drilling.

Says he remains skeptical of offshore drilling, but he and other Democrats may need to compromise in order to pass a comprehensive energy bill.

"At some point people are going to have make some decisions– are we going to keep on arguing, or are we going to get some things done?"

"We can’t allow partisan bickering, or the desire to score political points, to get in the way of providing genuine relief to people who are struggling."

[JoeChalupa]

No different from McCain saying nothing is off the table when it comes to possibly raising taxes. :sleep

[JoeChalupa]

McCain.....McSame....McChange.....McLame....McBlam e....

[Ignignokt]

bush is not known for flip flopping, not saying that he's never flip flopped, but IF mcCain is a flip flopper, then that's good news for liberals.

[Cry Havoc]

Yes. We want a president who is not willing to discuss ANYTHING.

Who just does what he wants without counsel!

One like we have NOW!

...

whoops.

[Gino]

Its a smart move by Obama.

If youre on the fence about the candidates are you:

1) Going to be angry at Obama that he flip-flopped and now refuse to support him.
2) Going to remove one "con" from your list of reasons not to vote for Obama.

Im guessing people will care more about gas prices than they will on who's flip flopped the most.

[Anti.Hero]

I love it. The American people are about to grab the government by the balls and make Pelosi look more like the ________ she really is.

Whether drilling is right or wrong, the people are beginning not to give a fuck about the environmental bullshit excuses and see that the government really doesn't give a shit about the people.

Let's hope for $5 gas next week!


It's all broken, but things are about to get entertaining! Like that little acting job the reps did yesterday. haha

[possessed]

Can Obama walk on slippery water?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Now we have established that both candidates are flip floppers. I am hopeful that those who call McCain a flip flopper have the intellectual integrity to call Obama one as well.


Now with that being said, I like this overall approach to easing the oil problem. I am still leaning towards McCain though...

[boutons_]

A slight change in position, with the very huge prerequisite of "comprehensive energy policy" and "a careful, well thought-out drilling strategy that was carefully circumscribed to avoid significant environmental damage "

So HUSSEIN! is really throwing it back on the oilcos and Congress to achieve both of these, since a President alone can't.

Fucking clever and intelligent, while politicking.

Aggie, my head is fine, compared to yours up your Boutons-obsessed anus.

btw, about those oilcos and their drilling priorities:

A Push to Wrest More Oil From Land, but Most New Wells Are for Natural Gas

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/us/03drill.html

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

:lmao A "slight change" in position. You crack me up croutons. If McCain did something like this, you'd be on here calling him McFlipFlopBigMacBurgerAndFriesFuckHim or whatever stupid ass fucking nickname you have for him.

We all know you're a hypocrite when it comes to this shit, thanks for reinforcing it.

[boutons_]

"you're a hypocrite"

always you bring weak shit, dickless Aggie twerp, GFY

[Cry Havoc]

Now we have established that both candidates are flip floppers. I am hopeful that those who call McCain a flip flopper have the intellectual integrity to call Obama one as well.


Now with that being said, I like this overall approach to easing the oil problem. I am still leaning towards McCain though...


Please show me where, "I am willing to discuss an issue" means, "I am unilaterally reversing my position on an issue". Thanks.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

AHF the degree to which you've become an anti-obama poster has gone from funny as hell to a boutons-esque man something's wrong with this guy.

[Gino]

Please show me where, "I am willing to discuss an issue" means, "I am unilaterally reversing my position on an issue". Thanks.

This is such a joke. A week ago, Obama was against off-shore drilling. But the polls show that Americans care more about their money than the environment, so now Obama says he'd think about a "well-thought" off-shore drilling plan.

What is this "willing to discuss when president" garbage?

Youre suppose to discuss it NOW!

[Cant_Be_Faded]

All this reveals is that no matter who you vote for they're both pretty much in the same boat with major issues and will always end up taking the country on the road that the rich elite want it to go on.

[Clandestino]

poor obama followers...

[spurster]

OH MY GOD! He is compromising with the enemy! We don't need that. We need a President who thinks his gut feelings are right no matter what, especially when God told him so.

[ElNono]

He already flopped on the immunity for telcos law. He just keeps on burning his chips. The question is if he's going to have any left by election day. McCain is no different really, when he started talking about the 16 month pullout plan.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

"you're a hypocrite"

always you bring weak shit, dickless Aggie twerp, GFY

It's not weak, it's here in black and white for the whole world to see.

And I don't have to do that, your mom's been quite accommodating.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

AHF the degree to which you've become an anti-obama poster has gone from funny as hell to a boutons-esque man something's wrong with this guy.

That's because now the election is closer, I'm actually paying attention to what the candidates are saying. And Obama scares me, he's a marxist.


All this reveals is that no matter who you vote for they're both pretty much in the same boat with major issues and will always end up taking the country on the road that the rich elite want it to go on.

Well, at least you're coming around to this fact, perhaps some of the dipshits on your side of the aisle like croutons will see the light.

[George Gervin's Afro]

That's because now the election is closer, I'm actually paying attention to what the candidates are saying. And Obama scares me, he's a marxist.

:rolleyes

I am not a big Obama fan but this is ridiculous.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

:rolleyes

I am not a big Obama fan but this is ridiculous.

Will you settle for socialist?

He's teetering in between the two to me...

[ElNono]

Will you settle for socialist?

He's teetering in between the two to me...

You won't like Obama no matter what. Shit, I doubt you'll even like McCain.
The problem is that your hate is so obvious, that the more tagging you do on the guy the more of a fool you look like.
Now, I don't have a problem with you venting here, but don't expect anybody to take you seriously when all you do is bitch and moan.
I also wonder, since there doesn't seem to be anything in the next government for you (regardless of who wins), why don't you pack your shit up and go somewhere else? Say, Venezuela, so you know what socialism and marxism really look like?
Or maybe Europe, since they seem to be on the upswing economically?
You know, sometimes going other places gives you perspective on what you have (and in your case, what you say).

[Viva Las Espuelas]

he's a marxist.
word

[Cry Havoc]

You guys should seriously, I mean it, actually read "The Communist Manifesto" before you make comparisons. Actually do a little research on Marx. For that matter, on the American system of government.

[boutons_]

socialist intervention by Fed on wall street and freddie/fannie capitalists is wonderful, but go ahead and slime HUSSEIN with lying talking points from Repug liars.

[Nbadan]

You guys should seriously, I mean it, actually read "The Communist Manifesto" before you make comparisons. Actually do a little research on Marx. For that matter, on the American system of government.

You forget, they don't read...

[Nbadan]

I like how the board conservatives act like Republicans weren't in control of Congress and the W.H. for, what? about 3 years? Why didn't they pass legislation to allow off-shore drilling then? Why did Dubya keep the FED ban on offshore drilling until it became politically expedient for him to do otherwise?

[GaryJohnston]

Jesus, this guy takes postions on all sides!

[George Gervin's Afro]

Jesus, this guy takes postions on all sides!

Sort of like 99% of all politicians?

[smeagol]

"you're a hypocrite"

always you bring weak shit, dickless Aggie twerp, GFY

You are a hypocrite. That is not weak shit. Deal with it.

[MannyIsGod]

:lol @ Obama being a Marxist.

[Spurminator]

Well if I recall correctly, the Bush=Hitler stuff was at its peak leading up to the 2004 Election so I guess the desperation is on the other side of the aisle this time.

[MannyIsGod]

Are we advocating that politicians should never change their positions? Its the fear of stupid shit like this that prevents Washington compromise half the time and a good portion of the reason we're in such a political rut.

Anyway, Obama didn't even flip flop on the issues. He still doesn't think off shore drilling means shit to anyone but the oil cos (and it doesn't) but if voting on a bill with it means advancing other things he believes in then he is ok with that.

Then again Kerry didn't flip flop on his issue either. That didn't change that Republicans had their stupid one liner at the expense of an electorate that doesn't realize how passing a bill and riders work.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

socialist intervention by Fed on wall street and freddie/fannie capitalists is wonderful, but go ahead and slime HUSSEIN with lying talking points from Repug liars.

Actually I've said it sucks there too, but you're too busy sucking Obama's dick to notice.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I like how the board conservatives act like Republicans weren't in control of Congress and the W.H. for, what? about 3 years? Why didn't they pass legislation to allow off-shore drilling then? Why did Dubya keep the FED ban on offshore drilling until it became politically expedient for him to do otherwise?

Because oil was cheap then, dipshit.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Are we advocating that politicians should never change their positions? Its the fear of stupid shit like this that prevents Washington compromise half the time and a good portion of the reason we're in such a political rut.

Anyway, Obama didn't even flip flop on the issues. He still doesn't think off shore drilling means shit to anyone but the oil cos (and it doesn't) but if voting on a bill with it means advancing other things he believes in then he is ok with that.

Then again Kerry didn't flip flop on his issue either. That didn't change that Republicans had their stupid one liner at the expense of an electorate that doesn't realize how passing a bill and riders work.

I expect him to flip flop. All politicians do, and now he's got the nomination wrapped up in his party he needs to move closer to center to appeal to the masses.

This is really about liberal retards like boutons and Dan calling McCain a flopper when their own 'chosen one' is right there with McCain on changing his position. It gets old seeing boutons bring the McFlipFlop shit when Obama is just as guilty.

In short, it's a non-issue but if the resident libs on the board are going to bitch about every perceived McCain flip flop, they're going to get every Obama flip thrown back in their face.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I expect him to flip flop. All politicians do, and now he's got the nomination wrapped up in his party he needs to move closer to center to appeal to the masses.

This is really about liberal retards like boutons and Dan calling McCain a flopper when their own 'chosen one' is right there with McCain on changing his position. It gets old seeing boutons bring the McFlipFlop shit when Obama is just as guilty.

In short, it's a non-issue but if the resident libs on the board are going to bitch about every perceived McCain flip flop, they're going to get every Obama flip thrown back in their face.

Hell just froze over because I agree with AHF on this one.

[boutons_]

There is a well-documented history of McLame's flops, including when he just doesn't fucking remember what he said or how he voted. :lol

Aggie finds a single, well-qualified softening of a HUSSEIN position (McStupid's flops have no qualifications), and then tries to say it equals the totality of McSenile's flops. A inanely weak defense of Aggie's boy Mc95%.

And remember the entire "flopping" tactic is completely originated and hammered by Rove and his filthy ilk, not the non-Repugs.

[T Park]

Will you settle for socialist?

He's teetering in between the two to me...

Theres no question his views and his ideas are straight out socialisim.

Some of his ideas straight cross the line to communism.

[T Park]

Sort of like 99% of all politicians?

Which if he didn't constantly say he was gonna be "different." and bring that whole different climate to Washington bullshit.

[ChumpDumper]

They're both moving towards the middle, except when the McCain campaign does one of those weird double back flips to pander to the base like last week over tax increases. I imagine Obama will do one of those if he is perceived to be conceding too much in his flip-flops.

[Ignignokt]

They're both moving towards the middle, except when the McCain campaign does one of those weird double back flips to pander to the base like last week over tax increases. I imagine Obama will do one of those if he is perceived to be conceding too much in his flip-flops.

Was McCain actually against the tax cuts in 01? If i remember, he was against them if there were not enough spending cuts.

He did though use populist rhetoric when speaking against them.

[ChumpDumper]

I was referring to last week when McCain said everything including a payroll tax increase could be on the table and a spokesman later refuted it, saying effect that McCain doesn't speak for the McCain campaign. It was pretty weird, but McCain seems to be a maverick in his own operation.

Just to make it clear, I don't think it's a big deal -- just a funny gaffe from the spokesman. It will be interesting to see if someone tries to nail McCain on that in another interview or a debate.

[JoeChalupa]

I don't want ANY candidate who is not willing to change their minds when new information or strategy on an issue arises. The "stay the course" strategerie has proven to be a very bad strategy.
Thick headedness is bad for the course of our Country.
Flip-flop if need be but get shit done!!!!!!!!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I don't want ANY candidate who is not willing to change their minds when new information or strategy on an issue arises. The "stay the course" strategerie has proven to be a very bad strategy.
Thick headedness is bad for the course of our Country.
Flip-flop if need be but get shit done!!!!!!!!

Having a candidate compromise would be a welcome change to what has been happening in D.C. the last several years.

I'm just tired of the resident dipshits like croutons taking offense when McCain does it, and getting down on their knees for Obama when he does it.

Either it's cool that they're both willing to compromise, or it's bad, but this 'it's bad when McCain does it, good when Obama does' is the most retarded shit ever. Of course, that's boutons for you.

[JoeChalupa]

Having a candidate compromise would be a welcome change to what has been happening in D.C. the last several years.

I'm just tired of the resident dipshits like croutons taking offense when McCain does it, and getting down on their knees for Obama when he does it.

Either it's cool that they're both willing to compromise, or it's bad, but this 'it's bad when McCain does it, good when Obama does' is the most retarded shit ever. Of course, that's boutons for you.

I concur. :tu

[Gino]

Are we advocating that politicians should never change their positions? Its the fear of stupid shit like this that prevents Washington compromise half the time and a good portion of the reason we're in such a political rut.

Anyway, Obama didn't even flip flop on the issues. He still doesn't think off shore drilling means shit to anyone but the oil cos (and it doesn't) but if voting on a bill with it means advancing other things he believes in then he is ok with that.

Then again Kerry didn't flip flop on his issue either. That didn't change that Republicans had their stupid one liner at the expense of an electorate that doesn't realize how passing a bill and riders work.

LMAO.

Yeah, John Kerry's "flip-flop" label was a conservative fabrication. So is Obama's sudden change in heart on off-shore drilling.

It didn't work for Kerry. Obama should stick to his guns and keep his integrity.

[MannyIsGod]

LMAO.

Yeah, John Kerry's "flip-flop" label was a conservative fabrication. So is Obama's sudden change in heart on off-shore drilling.

It didn't work for Kerry. Obama should stick to his guns and keep his integrity.

So you don't know how to read and you don't know how congress works. Ok.

[xrayzebra]

So you don't know how to read and you don't know how congress works. Ok.

You mean like Ms. America, Nancy Pelosi. Tells her fellow dimms, it is okay to say they support drilling if it will get them elected. While she saves the planet.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12304.html

:downspin::lol

[Mr. Peabody]

You mean like Ms. America, Nancy Pelosi. Tells her fellow dimms, it is okay to say they support drilling if it will get them elected. While she saves the planet.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12304.html

:downspin::lol

My problem with Pelosi on this issue is that the energy plan she is against leaves it up to the states to decide whether to drill off-shore. If her constituents in California are that opposed and there are enough of them, I am sure they can keep their state from allowing off-shore drilling.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

My problem with Pelosi on this issue is that the energy plan she is against leaves it up to the states to decide whether to drill off-shore. If her constituents in California are that opposed and there are enough of them, I am sure they can keep their state from allowing off-shore drilling.

i really hate to break this to you, but....................

51% of Californians back offshore drilling

Jane Kay, Chronicle Environment Writer ([email protected])
Thursday, July 31, 2008



(07-30) 22:28 PDT San Francisco -- A majority of Californians favor more oil drilling off the coast, according to a statewide survey released Wednesday, for the first time since oil prices spiked nearly three decades ago.
The support by 51 percent of residents polled this month by the Public Policy Institute of California represents a shift caused by renewed Republican advocacy for drilling as well as motorists' reaction to soaring pump prices, according to the pollster.
With high oil prices and calls from President Bush and Republican presidential aspirant Sen. John McCain to open coastal waters to domestic production, support for drilling has jumped, particularly among Republicans, the poll says. Support increases with age and is slightly higher among men than women.
But as the price of oil hovers around $120 per barrel, double the cost a year ago, support for drilling has increased even among Democrats and independents, says the survey of 2,504 adult residents polled across the state July 8-22.
At the same time, more than half of the Californians surveyed believe that the effects of global warming have already begun and pose a serious threat to the state's economy and quality of life.
Those surveyed overwhelmingly support state requirements to reduce greenhouse gases by increasing the use of renewable energy from solar and wind sources and requiring carmakers, refineries and utilities to initiate tougher controls on emissions.
<< Map of oil rigs off Calif. coast (http://sfgate.com/maps/oil/) >>
Californians once again pick air pollution as the most important environmental problem. And more Latinos and blacks - and residents of the Central Valley and Los Angeles - view it as a "very serious" threat. Across the state, people strongly favor tough air pollution standards on agriculture and industry as well as for diesel engines in trucks, buses and cargo ships.
In answer to an open-ended question about the state's most important environmental problem, after air pollution, people listed gas prices, energy and oil drilling, global warming and the loss of forests and wildfires. For the first time, worry over gas prices took a jump, from 1 percent last year to 12 percent this year.
"Over the course of the last year, at a time when we've seen support rising for offshore oil drilling, we've also seen a fairly dramatic increase in the Californians who say gasoline prices have caused financial hardship," said Mark Baldassare, president and CEO of the Public Policy Institute of California.
More support among GOP

But the biggest single factor in the change in attitude to drilling, he said, is "much more political support among Republican voters for offshore oil drilling than there was a year ago. The Republicans are hearing both from the president and the presidential nominee, who are making the case that drilling is good for economic and national security."
Republicans account for the greatest jump in support of offshore oil drilling, with 77 percent in favor, compared with 60 percent in the same poll last year. Democrats increased support to 35 percent in favor from 29 percent last year. Independents shifted to 44 percent in support compared with 33 percent in favor last year.
Some suggested that respondents would have answered differently if they had more information.
"The appropriate question is if you knew you could get more energy from efficiency and clean technologies such as solar, wind and geothermal, would you rather do that or drill along our pristine coast and risk harming a multibillion-dollar tourism, fishing and recreation economy," said Sen. Barbara Boxer, chairwoman of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee. She supports a congressional moratorium on exploration off the shores of coastal states.
On Tuesday, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger was joined by governors of Oregon and Washington in asking for an extension of the moratorium. The governors of Maine, New Jersey and Maryland also want an extension.
But oil industry representatives say letters and calls for more domestic drilling are coming into Congress as Bush and other Republicans push for a vote on the moratorium and support legislation that would allow states to choose whether to develop oil resources.
Some oil producers say they aren't surprised at the shift in attitudes of California residents, considering national polls that show a much higher support of opening up coastal waters to new drilling. A Field Poll released July 17 found that 51 percent opposed offshore drilling, down from the 56 percent that opposed it the last time the pollsters asked the question, three years ago.
"America's current energy challenge is having a profound effect on the daily lives of families all across the country, and that is part of what is changing the public perception," said Nicole Daigle, director of public affairs for the Independent Petroleum Association of America, which represents 5,000 independent oil and gas companies that produce onshore and offshore oil.
'Worse in the future'

As for offshore development, Daigle said, "It's not going to happen over night. But if we don't get started, it'll be worse for the country in the future."
The public's appetite for offshore drilling waned after the 1969 blowout and oil spill at a Unocal platform off the coast of Santa Barbara blackened Southern California beaches and killed wildlife.
But according to a 2003 University of California Energy Institute paper comparing the cost of a gallon of gasoline against the California public's support for offshore oil and gas drilling, that mood shifted as gasoline prices fluctuated.
"If you look back at a series of polls conducted by Field and others dating back to 1977, what you see is that support rises and falls with the price of gas," said Eric Smith, a professor of political science at UC Santa Barbara and author of the paper.
Today's support for drilling hasn't been so high since the early 80s, when oil prices were high, according to past Field polls.
Energy Department information shows that it could take a decade or more to affect gas prices, yet the link between support for drilling and fuel costs remains, Smith said.
"From the survey data that I see, a lot of people are confused about how quickly the impact of offshore oil drilling would affect gas prices. Sen. McCain has been saying it's a solution to the crisis. But the crisis is today. Offshore oil drilling would have an impact in perhaps a decade. It's wishful thinking."


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/31/MNHL122B1T.DTL

[Mr. Peabody]

i really hate to break this to you, but....................

51% of Californians back offshore drilling


Why is that breaking anything to me? My comments were that if her constituents felt as strongly about the issue as she does, she should have no problem. I wasn't saying anything about whether they actually support her on this or whether they should support her on this. In fact, my entire point was that the legislation in question leaves the decision to the state and that Pelosi should defer to her constituents and let them decide.

[TheProfessor]

LMAO.

Yeah, John Kerry's "flip-flop" label was a conservative fabrication. So is Obama's sudden change in heart on off-shore drilling.

It didn't work for Kerry. Obama should stick to his guns and keep his integrity.
Did you even read what he posted? Obama's willing to make concessions to move his energy policy forward. Is integrity incompatible with pragmatism? If so, we'll never move this country past the red/blue stalemate and get something done.

[Cry Havoc]

Having a candidate compromise would be a welcome change to what has been happening in D.C. the last several years.

I'm just tired of the resident dipshits like croutons taking offense when McCain does it, and getting down on their knees for Obama when he does it.

Either it's cool that they're both willing to compromise, or it's bad, but this 'it's bad when McCain does it, good when Obama does' is the most retarded shit ever. Of course, that's boutons for you.

I don't mind McCain changing his opinions about things. I mind when he fabricates that he has always held to the same political ideology since day 1 as a government official.

Now, I'm sure at some point in the course of his political life, Obama will do that as well. And when he does, it will annoy me greatly and impact my opinion of him. The difference is that Obama didn't say, "I have always supported offshore drilling", he said, "I am willing to discuss it."

Discuss. That's an important word. Civilized discourse. McCain has shown very little ability to do so except to berate and make ridiculous attacks on Obama's character. And it's going to cost him in the presidential debates, where he will be crushed by Obama, who is staunchly focused on the issues right now. I hope he stays that way.

[RandomGuy]

bush is not known for flip flopping, not saying that he's never flip flopped, but IF mcCain is a flip flopper, then that's good news for liberals.

I have more of a problem with someone who can't change his mind when new information becomes available, than with "flip flops".

Everybody should be able to change their mind occasionally, so I allow a certain amount of leeway when it comes to such things.

No one should have any doubt that a candidate in an election will change positions to get votes. That said, one should not assume that all changes in policy positions are based on this.

[Ignignokt]

I have more of a problem with someone who can't change his mind when new information becomes available, than with "flip flops".

Everybody should be able to change their mind occasionally, so I allow a certain amount of leeway when it comes to such things.

No one should have any doubt that a candidate in an election will change positions to get votes. That said, one should not assume that all changes in policy positions are based on this.


YOu lose either way.

[JoeChalupa]

I've flip-flopped many times during my lifetime.

[Gino]

So you don't know how to read and you don't know how congress works. Ok.


Did you even read what he posted? Obama's willing to make concessions to move his energy policy forward. Is integrity incompatible with pragmatism? If so, we'll never move this country past the red/blue stalemate and get something done.

Yeah, I read what he posted. Obama didn't flip-flop, he's just COMPROMISING!! :lol

Compromising his integrity, IMO.

[Nbadan]

Well if I recall correctly, the Bush=Hitler stuff was at its peak leading up to the 2004 Election so I guess the desperation is on the other side of the aisle this time.

Well Hitler did kill Jews, gays, communists, and gypsys...

Bush killed Muslims, Kurds and Christians.........

[Nbadan]

Theres no question his views and his ideas are straight out socialisim.

Some of his ideas straight cross the line to communism.

Name one?

[Nbadan]

You mean like Ms. America, Nancy Pelosi. Tells her fellow dimms, it is okay to say they support drilling if it will get them elected. While she saves the planet.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12304.html

:downspin::lol

I like how conservative conveniently forget that just a few short weeks ago the Republican leadership put out a ABP on 'conservatives' agreeing on liberal issues if it would help get reelected....Oh the hypocrisy!

:lol

[Nbadan]

Discuss. That's an important word. Civilized discourse. McCain has shown very little ability to do so except to berate and make ridiculous attacks on Obama's character. And it's going to cost him in the presidential debates, where he will be crushed by Obama, who is staunchly focused on the issues right now. I hope he stays that way.

Plus McCain is such a poor public speaker and Obama is charismatic on stage....Obama goes into the convention with a 6-8 point lead in the polls he has now and by the end of the convention it jumps to double digits...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Plus McCain is such a poor public speaker and Obama is charismatic on stage....Obama goes into the convention with a 6-8 point lead in the polls he has now and by the end of the convention it jumps to double digits...

Yeah, Obama is charismatic... with a telestrator in front of his face to read off...

[Cry Havoc]

Yeah, Obama is charismatic... with a telestrator in front of his face to read off...

So when McCain has a telestrator and STILL sucks, what does that mean?

[johnsmith]

They're both fucking idiots.

But at the end of the day, only one is going to have a direct and negative effect on my paycheck.

[Cry Havoc]

They're both fucking idiots.

But at the end of the day, only one is going to have a direct and negative effect on my paycheck.

Yep. Damn those Columbia, University of Chicago, and Harvard educated individuals who have actually taught at one of the top universities in the nation. He's obviously a fool.

[johnsmith]

Yep. Damn those Columbia, University of Chicago, and Harvard educated individuals who have actually taught at one of the top universities in the nation. He's obviously a fool.

:rolleyes

I think we both know they aren't fucking idiots in the sense that they aren't well educated, but rather, they are both fucking idiots because they are either too far left or to far right and neither of them truly represent America, just like no one has since I've been alive.


If politicians would stop being politicians, then we'd be better off.


But like I said, one of them is going to raise my taxes, so I'm going to vote for the other one.







Now quit being a sensitive little bitch about this.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Yep. Damn those Columbia, University of Chicago, and Harvard educated individuals who have actually taught at one of the top universities in the nation. He's obviously a fool.

Because clearly if you went to one of those schools that automatically means you are smart. Fuck, you libs love to bash Bush and he was an Ivy Leaguer too.

Oh wait, only Republicans that went to Ivy league schools can be looked down on intellectually :rolleyes

It's not about where they went to school, it's about their elitist views that are out of touch with America.

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only Republicans that went to Ivy league schools can be looked down on intellectually

you said it, brother!