HARD KNOCKS: Training Camp with the Dallas Cowboys Official Thread.

[GaryJohnston]

Cowboys fans, are you excited? What do you hope see or which young guys do you hope they profile this year?

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[O-Factor]

I'll be watching. I really like Hard Knocks as a program. I watched the Ravens, Cowboys and Chief editions of it. They usually profile alot of guys who are on the bubble so to speak. I'd like to see about Amendola and the rookies Jenkins, Jones and Scandrick.

[BRHornet45]

sons when will Jessica Simpson and those big ass titties show up to camp ?

[Whisky Dog]

I'm interested to see the flashback edition with Campo doing the "Then and Now" stuff with the 1st H.Ks.

Other than that just get a look at a camp that has a hell of a lot of characters in it...

from the head coach to the delinquent new CB.

[bigdog]

I think they'll feature Pac quite a bit, but who knows. I honestly don't care who they profile. I just want to see them focused so they can win some games and get themselves #6 this year. :toast

[samikeyp]

I'm looking forward to it. Just getting some Cowboys coverage up here will be nice.

[Evan]

HBO is tossing around doing a year long one this year. Odds are pretty low though.

The producers said if they ever do it for sure the Cowboys will be the first team they call since "Jerry gets it"

They don't really address it here but this is a good read.


OXNARD, Calif. - An NFL training camp is three weeks of grueling work, and what's accomplished in two-a-days now becomes the foundation for what happens in the 119 days of the season.

This will be the fourth time since 2001 HBO's Hard Knocks, produced by NFL Films, has provided the public with an all-access pass into the world of training camp, and this will be the second reality-TV peek into the Dallas Cowboys, who were captured on film during the 2002 training camp in San Antonio when current secondary coach Dave Campo was the head coach.

But what many don't know is that the making of Hard Knocks is just as gargantuan, if not more so, as preparing an 80-player roster for the upcoming 17-week NFL season.

Hard Knocks may only span from the team's three-or-so-week training camp to final cuts the beginning of September, but NFL Films starts working on the show months before the airing the first of five weekly episodes, kicking off this summer at 9 p.m. (CDT) Wednesday on HBO (10 p.m. on both coasts).

Planning began in April, and NFL Films was present at every OTA and mini-camp the Cowboys held back home at Valley Ranch. Their crews even spent time with starting quarterback Tony Romo in Wisconsin and starting tight end Jason Witten in Dallas.

While footage is shot during this pre-camp period, the crews' presence is mainly intended to let the players get acclimated with the cameras, although associate producer Alicia Zubikowski said that to the Dallas Cowboys, dealing with media attention is second nature.

"The media is always around them, so I think they get used to it," Zubikowski said.

The Hard Knocks crew arrived here about a week before the team to get the site ready to film, and from the second the team descended the steps from its charter flight at Naval Air Station Point Mugu, the cameras were rolling, and those cameras are everywhere.

There are four cameras rolling at every practice, and after practice, they follow players everywhere around the River Ridge facility, from meeting rooms to training rooms. There are even four rooms - owner and general manager Jerry Jones' office, his son and right hand man, Stephen Jones' office and two meeting rooms for players and coaches - equipped with robotic cameras to capture every activity going on inside.

Capturing everything is impossible, so the producers and directors at NFL Films map out potential storylines to pursue. At every practice, and even before and after, every camera crew has an assignment for what or who to shoot. These assignments usually coincide with the six Cowboys - players and coaches - who are mic-ed up at every practice with wireless microphones.

Zubikowski and other directors listen in to the wires during practice to find the good stuff, and a lot of the time it's the audio that's the most interesting.

"We like to say, even though the pictures are always great, it's an audio-driven show," said Mark Ricci, sound man for one of the camera crews.

With the cameras rolling from 7 in the morning to midnight, Hard Knocks ends up with tons of footage to sift through, a task that takes place back at NFL Films headquarters in Mount Laurel, N.J. The Oxnard crew sends upwards of 25 hour-long tapes, along with four to five rolls of film, back to headquarters via two daily courier shipments.

When the packages arrive at NFL Films, supervising producer Ken Rodgers, along with his staff of 12 other producers, begin the process of turning the footage into an hour-long show. Rodgers said for every 200 minutes of footage, one minute will make the show. "The editorial process is really one of constant filtering, getting all that material down to the best, and then the very best, and then the extraordinary material," Rodgers said.

Even once that "extraordinary material" is identified, Rodgers must make more tough decisions about what makes the show. As of this past Wednesday, he said he has 40 solid storylines in the works, but at most only half will actually make the final cut. Those storylines are allowed to develop until a few days before each episode airs, although if something important happens a day before each episode premieres, Rodgers will bend over backwards to adjust.

As a result, each episode is finalized at literally the last minute.

"The process, technically, to get this out the door and to HBO is absolutely frightening," Rodgers said. "We actually drive our final tape, when it's done, to HBO, and it gets to HBO in New York about an hour before it airs."

With all the unprecedented access to the team's daily activities, it's easy to think the Cowboys would be wary of what they say and do.

Not so.

That's because NFL Films and the Cowboys have developed a mutual trust Zubikowski and Rodgers said is unlike any relationship they've had with any other team involved in the show, which includes the Baltimore Ravens (2001) and the Kansas City Chiefs (2007), along with the Jacksonville Jaguars (2004) featured on NFL Network.

"The great thing about the Cowboys in particular is their trust and belief in us to do right by them, and our trust in them in knowing what their concerns would be," Rodgers said.

Because of that trust, NFL Films doesn't have to worry about hurdling any obstacles to get the footage and access it needs, something Zubikowski said is a result of dealing with Cowboys PR director Rich Dalrymple.

"You can definitely tell Rich is a professional at his job," Zubikowski said. "I've been to a lot of teams and there are very few PR guys like him. He knows what he's doing and he's very good at his job, and that helps."

While the team does trust Hard Knocks not to air anything that could compromise a competitive advantage, there are moments when camera crews are asked to avert their eyes and ears. Cowboys head coach Wade Phillips said he's asked the camera crews to turn a deaf ear once already so he could speak privately with his team, and the camera crew was more than obliging.

"We're not out to be National Inquirer and scoop the dirty details of camp," Rodgers said, stressing Hard Knocks is about telling the compelling stories making up training camp, not out-reporting sports pages across the nation.

But that doesn't mean they'll sacrifice a story to protect the Cowboys' image either.

"We are not out to glamorize the Cowboys and make this a PR film," Rodgers said. "This is reality, and sometimes reality, such as the release of (wide receiver) Terry Glenn, can be painful. That's a tough situation that you can't hide from. That's someone's livelihood and a player who's well liked within the organization, and the fallout of that has to be addressed. There's no getting around that."

Even Phillips said he'd be watching when the first episode airs Wednesday night, despite what might be exposed.

"I'd like to watch it just to see our guys," Phillips said. "I've said it before, I think we have a lot of characters with character, and I think it'll show."

Stay tuned.

[Spuradicator]

Should be fun to watch with all the personalities

[weebo]

sons when will Jessica Simpson and those big ass titties show up to camp ?

I really hope her massive knockers are part of the intro:drool:

[BRHornet45]

I really hope her massive knockers are part of the intro:drool:

yes son I agree. God bless that woman

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[Spurtacus]

I wish I had HBO...

[J.T.]

I would have rather seen an HBO special profiling the Oakland Raiders training camp, because I'm interested to know how the future AFC champions (and in all likelihood, Super Bowl champions too) work on playing with perfect fundamentals and executing mistake free plays on offense and defense with their all time record 18 Pro Bowl players. It's destined to happen, I just wish the little guys like me, who will never know true, Christ-like perfection such as the 2008 Raiders will display, can catch a glimpse of brilliance in the making.

[Horry For 3!]

I hope to see how the rookies are comin along. Also, Stanback and how he is comin along. It will be nice to see some Zach Thomas too.

[Evan]

I would have rather seen an HBO special profiling the Oakland Raiders training camp, because I'm interested to know how the future AFC champions (and in all likelihood, Super Bowl champions too) work on playing with perfect fundamentals and executing mistake free plays on offense and defense with their all time record 18 Pro Bowl players. It's destined to happen, I just wish the little guys like me, who will never know true, Christ-like perfection such as the 2008 Raiders will display, can catch a glimpse of brilliance in the making.

Not many would care and Oakland wouldn't give them access.

That place is as secretive as N-Korea.

[Taco]

Tonight @ 9:00 Pm Cst

[samikeyp]

Hell yes!

[LocosPorJuana]

this thread should be called, the official Jessica simpson cameo thread.=)
I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting my Popcorn ready.:ihit

[O-Factor]

Loved the intro and ending with T.O on the beach.

Im just glad football is back. I'd watch Hard Knocks no matter which team was profiled, but its even more enjoyable that its my team on this year.

[Whisky Dog]

Pretty good first episode. Not a lot of substance, but a hell of a lot of HBO style and flair. I need to get those guys to follow me around and make my life that dramatic.

Pacman nailing Felix Jones with a trashcan full of water off of the hotel room balcony while Demarcus Ware played the set man was pretty damn funny.

[samikeyp]

The thing with Pacman and Patrick Crayton catching punts with arms full of footballs was cool.

[Taco]

I wish I had HBO...

in a couple of days you should be able to go to their website and watch it on the web

[Taco]

The thing with Pacman and Patrick Crayton catching punts with arms full of footballs was cool.

yeah that was cool

[Evan]

Pretty cool hearing Jerry and Glenn's agent get mad at each other

[ATRAIN]

I have never seen a hard knocks episode and I have to admit it was pretty kick ass. A friend of mine and I were discussing it would be cool since we no longer have inside the NFL to have a hard knocks during the season basically profiling 2 teams (different teams each week) and how they get ready for the game that weekend. Usually picking the interesting matchups that week. What do you guys think, do you think that would work?

[Evan]

That would be far too expensive, but an awesome idea.

[ATRAIN]

That would be far too expensive, but an awesome idea.

Yeah but it would be damn cool and I wouldnt think it would be that expensive. Plus it could showcase them the week getting ready for the game and then show clips of the game then the after with injuries and all that drama.


Back to the Original topic, man T.O. is in beastly shape(like he usually is). That guy is fitness mad man.

[Evan]

As bizarre as TO is…he supposedly lives 100% clean.

[ATRAIN]

As bizarre as TO is…he supposedly lives 100% clean.

He doesnt even drink?

[Evan]

He doesnt even drink?

No…from what I have read he doesn't even drink caffeiene or processed foods. I am sure there is exceptions from time to time of course.

[GaryJohnston]

No…from what I have read he doesn't even drink caffeiene or processed foods. I am sure there is exceptions from time to time of course.

I read about his diet once. It is really strict, but he is really dedicated.

[Taco]

is it just me or does it seem like Martellus Bennett needs some ritalin. :wtf


http://www.dallascowboys.com/images/bennett_360.jpg

[samikeyp]

is it just me or does it seem like Martellus Bennett needs some ritalin. :wtf


http://www.dallascowboys.com/images/bennett_360.jpg

He needs a kick in the ass or else he is going to be unemployed.

[BacktoBasics]

He needs a kick in the ass or else he is going to be unemployed.I couldn't agree more. He seem real immature and completely unfocused on his career. I don't see this guy getting much action with the lazy attitude he has. I wouldn't be suprised if doesn't last long considering they have two solid TEs.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

He needs a kick in the ass or else he is going to be unemployed.

What a waste he just doesn't get it. He thinks they are out to get him he won't make the team at this point.

[I Love Me Some Me]

Martellus' problem is the $1.3 million guaranteed he got.

[monosylab1k]

He's an Aggie, what did the Cowboys expect?

[Spuradicator]

He's a piece of lazy shit.

[O-Factor]

What a waste he just doesn't get it. He thinks they are out to get him he won't make the team at this point.

+1

Thank God the Cowboys have a decent enough #2 in Tony Curtis. Bennet is acting like a child out there. Tank Johnson needs to give him a kick in the ass.

[Evan]

I suspect its a bit over edited to show a pretty negative side and somewhere later on this series we will have a dramatic turnaround for effect.

These shows are the real deal but slanted for drama.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

I suspect its a bit over edited to show a pretty negative side and somewhere later on this series we will have a dramatic turnaround for effect.

These shows are the real deal but slanted for drama.

Speaking over edited WTF was up with the shrinkage and the boner.:lmao

[Evan]

Speaking over edited WTF was up with the shrinkage and the boner.:lmao

Who was that anyway?

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Who was that anyway?

Not sure but funny as hell.:lmao

[TMSKILZ]

yeah M.Bennett is a lill lazy azz punk. I hope the DEF lays his azz out during practice.

Can anyone help me out? I am trying to find out the name of the group & song that plays @ the end of Episode 1 of Hardknocks.

It goes something like......"what you say, what you areeeeeeeee.........a.....super starrrrr.................but have no fear.......your time is near" then it breaks into a rap song, anyone know? Much appreciated.

[gatoloco]

i'm waiting for the plane crash episode.

[Evan]

i'm waiting for the plane crash episode.

They took a train

[GuerillaBlack]

yeah M.Bennett is a lill lazy azz punk. I hope the DEF lays his azz out during practice.

Can anyone help me out? I am trying to find out the name of the group & song that plays @ the end of Episode 1 of Hardknocks.

It goes something like......"what you say, what you areeeeeeeee.........a.....super starrrrr.................but have no fear.......your time is near" then it breaks into a rap song, anyone know? Much appreciated.

That song is called Superstar by Lupe Fiasco. It's been out for a while. Where have you been son?

[Trainwreck2100]

That song is called Superstar by Lupe Fiasco. It's been out for a while. Where have you been son?

That was pretty bad that he didn't know that

[Evan]

I've never even heard of Lupe Fiasco.

[GuerillaBlack]

I've never even heard of Lupe Fiasco.

Well, you need to. Dude is raw and is what hip hop should be (not that Soulja Boy/Plies shit).

Get educated:

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[dirk4mvp]

I like how this faggot comes in a thread and thinks he's some messiah of rap knowledge. Fuck you.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:lol

[GuerillaBlack]

I like how this faggot comes in a thread and thinks he's some messiah of rap knowledge. Fuck you.

I'm not a fucking rap messiah. Who said that shit? How's posting two YouTube videos of an artist equate to me thinking that? Dumbass.

[dirk4mvp]

Because you thought you were gonna tell that guy how much cooler Lupe is than other mainstream artists, you stupid piece of shit. That's not so hard to understand.

[GuerillaBlack]

Because you thought you were gonna tell that guy how much cooler Lupe is than other mainstream artists, you stupid piece of shit. That's not so hard to understand.

He fucking is. Would you rather listen to Soulja Boy or Lupe Fiasco? Seriously...

Just because I say Lupe is a lot better than him, it somehow equates to me thinking I'm the rap messiah.

[dirk4mvp]

He tends to be overrated because he's slightly different. He's alright.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100081&highlight=skateboard

[GuerillaBlack]

He tends to be overrated because he's slightly different. He's alright.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100081&highlight=skateboard

All that showed me was the timvp thinks Lupe can't be a good hip hop artist because he skateboards. This song by a group affiliated with Lupe sums it up nicely:

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Anyway, back to Hard Knocks...

[dirk4mvp]

Back to the point... the cowboys blow a bag of cocks

[GuerillaBlack]

Back to the point... the cowboys blow a bag of cocks

Yes.

[jack sommerset]

Did anyone else scratch there chin when HBO documetary about a football training camp shows one of the players with a rock hard KAWK leaving the room where men are naked then have the player say "God blessed him" something like that then he walked around the facilities with his boner.

[GuerillaBlack]

Did anyone else scratch there chin when HBO documetary about a football training camp shows one of the players with a rock hard KAWK leaving the room where men are naked then have the player say "God blessed him" something like that then he walked around the facilities with his boner.

Lulz.

This happened on "Hard Knocks"?

:lmao

[I Love Me Some Me]

Did anyone else scratch there chin when HBO documetary about a football training camp shows one of the players with a rock hard KAWK leaving the room where men are naked then have the player say "God blessed him" something like that then he walked around the facilities with his boner.

It was a joke. The guy had something (a water bottle, I think) crammed down his pants.

[GuerillaBlack]

It was a joke. The guy had something (a water bottle, I think) crammed down his pants.

lies

[jack sommerset]

It was a joke. The guy had something (a water bottle, I think) crammed down his pants.


That was no bottle

[Evan]

Hey GuerillaBlack...I liked that. Thank you.

I haven't spent a penny on rap since I bought my last Black Sheep CD in the 90's because of the bling generation.

I'm sure I put a target on myself for saying that but whatever...everyone has their own taste so get over it.

[GaryJohnston]

Back to the point... the cowboys blow a bag of cocks

Hey just like "your moms"

Fuck Lupe, souljaboy and the like. Hip-hop/rap is dead.

[GaryJohnston]

Wade Phillips daughter is HOT!

[GuerillaBlack]

Hey just like "your moms"

Fuck Lupe, souljaboy and the like. Hip-hop/rap is dead.

lies

It's far from dead.

Anyway, moving along...

[StylisticS]

^^ nah fuck that..let me get this then move on.


Hey just like "your moms"

Fuck Lupe, souljaboy and the like. Hip-hop/rap is dead.

How one could even put Lupe and souljaboy in the same sentence is beyond me. Lupe lyrically is a beast. His flow, subject, and charisma is on point. It's just that he's not talking about what the average fan wants to hear which is money, sex, cars, and hoes. Lupe shits on Lil wayne, the self-God of today's 12-20 year olds. Oh and if you listen to Immortal Technique, Little Brother, Supastition, Kay, or Murs, you obviously would know that hip hop is indeed still alive.

[GaryJohnston]

^^ nah fuck that..let me get this then move on.



How one could even put Lupe and souljaboy in the same sentence is beyond me. Lupe lyrically is a beast. His flow, subject, and charisma is on point. It's just that he's not talking about what the average fan wants to hear which is money, sex, cars, and hoes. Lupe shits on Lil wayne, the self-God of today's 12-20 year olds. Oh and if you listen to Immortal Technique, Little Brother, Supastition, Kay, or Murs, you obviously would know that hip hop is indeed still alive.

^I dont know. Ask the poster who first mentioned it. Any way, Fuck all that garbage. All it does is pollute the youth.

NOW, lets move along....

[GuerillaBlack]

^I dont know. Ask the poster who first mentioned it. Any way, Fuck all that garbage. All it does is pollute the youth.

NOW, lets move along....

Hip Hop pollutes the youth? So this to you pollutes the youth?

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Yeah, comprehend that.

You know, I can respect people who don't like hip hop and stuff, but to say it's dead and polluting the youth is just a flat out lie. Don't follow the radio garbage.

[GaryJohnston]

Hip Hop pollutes the youth? So this to you pollutes the youth?

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Yeah, comprehend that.

You know, I can respect people who don't like hip hop and stuff, but to say it's dead and polluting the youth is just a flat out lie. Don't follow the radio garbage.

I didn't even bother with the youtube link. You are either kidding yourself or not educated enough if you think music doesn't influence the youth.

[GuerillaBlack]

I didn't even bother with the youtube link. You are either kidding yourself or not educated enough if you think music doesn't influence the youth.

there's a difference between pollute (like you said) and influences. pick one. and i can't make you click the youtube link but you should.

[GaryJohnston]

there's a difference between pollute (like you said) and influences. pick one. and i can't make you click the youtube link but you should.

Anyway, lets try not to hijack this thread huh? If you'd like to continue this, create a thread in the club and I will gladly discuss/debate/argue with you my thoughts. But Im out for the night.

[GuerillaBlack]

Anyway, lets try not to hijack this thread huh? If you'd like to continue this, create a thread in the club and I will gladly discuss/debate/argue with you my thoughts. But Im out for the night.

i'm out for the night too. but i'll make that thread.

back to the hard knocks.

[Duff McCartney]

My cousin keeps insisting that Martelus Bennett is a star in the making. Which I don't agree with. He's probably being facetious because Bennett went to A&M and so did my cousin.

But fuck I've never seen a coach spend so much time being on a players ass like Garrett has been on Bennett. It's like he's mentally not even trying to play or listen to anything they tell him.

[GuerillaBlack]

i dont have the hbo, so is there like an online video library or something? youtube got it?

[Flight3107]

Get HBO you cheap ass

[jack sommerset]

Get HBO you cheap ass

I got it for 11 bucks a month plus Skinamax.

[Whisky Dog]

I wish they hadn't done the hard knocks. It seems like a giant ass distraction resulting in a team that is playing as sloppy as anyone. Maybe it's just preseason means nothing, or it's a team that's distracted and making mental errors. We'll see as soon as the season kicks off.

[GaryJohnston]

I wish they hadn't done the hard knocks. It seems like a giant ass distraction resulting in a team that is playing as sloppy as anyone. Maybe it's just preseason means nothing, or it's a team that's distracted and making mental errors. We'll see as soon as the season kicks off.

Don't look too much into a meaningless preaseason game. We played a very vanilla game against the Broncos. Our 3rd and 4th string CBs started because they were testing Henry at nickle. All they did was play soft zones, giving alot of cushion to the Bronco's wideouts. And we only blitzed once in the whole game and that was in the 4th Qtr. Denver also had recieved 6 inches or rain that day and the field was noticeably slippy. I don't think they wanted to to risk injury going all out on a field like that, even though we did get a couple of guys banged up. They looked like they were just going to the motions, just wanting to get back to home. The important thing to take away from the game is that the special teams showed a vast improvement over the Charges game.

[Evan]

I wish they hadn't done the hard knocks. It seems like a giant ass distraction resulting in a team that is playing as sloppy as anyone. Maybe it's just preseason means nothing, or it's a team that's distracted and making mental errors. We'll see as soon as the season kicks off.

If the Cowboys are decent they will always have a million camera's out there distracting them. It’s the Cowboys dude…not the Bills. Besides, the local radio show that was out there said there is barely any HBO camera's which I found surprising.

I find it hard to believe that someone who is mentally strong enough to handle the pressure of the NFL in big games can be rattled by camera's.

[King]

That was no bottle

Yeah...yeah that was a gatorade bottle.

[Anti.Hero]

"It's a gift from God, I just signed off on it." hahahaha

[Whisky Dog]

Don't look too much into a meaningless preaseason game. We played a very vanilla game against the Broncos. Our 3rd and 4th string CBs started because they were testing Henry at nickle. All they did was play soft zones, giving alot of cushion to the Bronco's wideouts. And we only blitzed once in the whole game and that was in the 4th Qtr. Denver also had recieved 6 inches or rain that day and the field was noticeably slippy. I don't think they wanted to to risk injury going all out on a field like that, even though we did get a couple of guys banged up. They looked like they were just going to the motions, just wanting to get back to home. The important thing to take away from the game is that the special teams showed a vast improvement over the Charges game.

I'm not looking at the score or the schemes, but the mental errors resulting in stupid penalties and small mistakes that will cost games in the regular season and have cost them in the last two playoffs.

It just seems that all of the "HBO portrays Bennett as lazy and Lattimore as inept" spins that even the players and coaches have been talking about could be distractions. Hell, even knowing that what you are doing is going to be on a big time HBO production and not just local or ESPN quick hit bits has to create some sort of distraction, even for the Dallas Cowboys. Like I said, we'll see once the season starts because there is no reason for this talented ass team who should have a chip on their shoulders the size of Rhode Island to be losing games on penalties and stupid mistakes.

[monosylab1k]

The Cowboys are just fine. If your team is trying hard in the preseason, it's probably because they're going to suck in the regular season.

the 89 Cowboys went undefeated in the preseason, which if course led to their incredible 1-15 year.

[Whisky Dog]

I hope you're right and that this isn't the first signs of the most talented and most undisciplined team in the NFL heading for choke city again.

[Evan]

I have never understood why people take pre season so seriously when every year its completely forgotten by everyone the week of kickoff.

[StylisticS]

His point is taken though. I understand the schemes not being ran or the players not being played in the preseason. I don't make to much of a big deal about that at all. But discipline knows no bounds. Preseason or no preseason, that must change. I wouldn't think much of special teams if it wasn't a problem last year. But it's evident that it's still a problem. I think we will improve in that area but we need to become more discipline.

[samikeyp]

The Cowboys are just fine. If your team is trying hard in the preseason, it's probably because they're going to suck in the regular season.

the 89 Cowboys went undefeated in the preseason, which if course led to their incredible 1-15 year.

True.....I think also in all three of the Cowboys SB years in the 90's they had a losing record in the preseason.


I have never understood why people take pre season so seriously when every year its completely forgotten by everyone the week of kickoff.

I agree. I love it when people, some even on this board, talk shit about preseason games. It is quite funny seeing people getting worked up over these games. :lol

[samikeyp]

Martellus Bennett actually played well....its amazing what happens when you listen to your coaches.

Nice to see Lowber catch a couple.

[O-Factor]

Really enjoyed episode 3.

Loved seeing Brian Stewert, the DC, get on the players asses quite a bit.

Also, a nice piece on DWare and his adopted daughter. I enjoy seeing the human side of these guys.

I crack up when I see the T.O. pieces on him running, like on the beach in episode 1 and the dusty hill in episode 3. Its staged, but its cool.

[Evan]

I crack up when I see the T.O. pieces on him running, like on the beach in episode 1 and the dusty hill in episode 3. Its staged, but its cool.

You sure it was him? I couldn't tell. Seemed too light skinned.

[jack sommerset]

Martellus Bennett actually played well....its amazing what happens when you listen to your coaches.

Nice to see Lowber catch a couple.

Maybe he is like " coach, its practice, not a game, practice, you are bitching to me about practice, practice man, practice"

He looked real good in the game.

[samikeyp]

Maybe he is like " coach, its practice, not a game, practice, you are bitching to me about practice, practice man, practice"

He looked real good in the game.

Maybe...but its still bullshit. You are a rook, you listen to your coach.

[GaryJohnston]

Maybe...but its still bullshit. You are a rook, you listen to your coach.

+1

He just not receptive to coaching.

Any A&M fans out there disagree, or saw any of this at A&M???

[Vinnie_Johnson]

LMAO at Barbie Carp smack what a joke that pick was. Also TO is freaking funny as hell mocking Anderson was classic :lmao

[Whisky Dog]

LMAO at Barbie Carp smack what a joke that pick was. Also TO is freaking funny as hell mocking Anderson was classic :lmao

When you're a LB in the NFL and the OWNER of your team is overheard telling someone you are "finesse"...

that's just not a good sign.

[Evan]

When you're a LB in the NFL and the OWNER of your team is overheard telling someone you are "finesse"...

that's just not a good sign.

Oh really? Whats a worse sign to you...that or being relegated to special teams plays as a first round pick?:p:

[jack sommerset]

I think When you're a LB in the NFL and the OWNER of your team is overheard telling someone you are "finesse"... is worse.

The guy has been invested in because of his 1st round statis and they put him on special teams to get some money back. After this year if he continues to suck his ass is good bye

[Evan]

I think When you're a LB in the NFL and the OWNER of your team is overheard telling someone you are "finesse"... is worse.

The guy has been invested in because of his 1st round statis and they put him on special teams to get some money back. After this year if he continues to suck his ass is good bye

...not playing is worse than a comment...

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Barbie was the last of the great Bill Parcels can't miss picks.

[Evan]

Barbie was the last of the great Bill Parcels can't miss picks.

I will take his hits with his misses 10/10 times. His drafting was incredible.

[jack sommerset]

...not playing is worse than a comment...

He was drafted to be the anchor on this defense. Thats what a LB drafted in the top 20 is all about. He only has not lived up to expectations he can't even get on the feild to play the position.

You could cut him. It is the NFL. My opinion is they spent all that money on him that Jones has to justify it so they put him on Special teams hoping something clicks. The players don't seem to think so except Zach Thomas who they went out to get because Barbie sucks so bad. A 35 year old that was waived because no team would trade for. I think at this stage the comments are worse than special teams. You want respect from your teamates.

[Evan]

He was drafted to be the anchor on this defense. Thats what a LB drafted in the top 20 is all about. He only has not lived up to expectations he can't even get on the feild to play the position.

You could cut him. It is the NFL. My opinion is they spent all that money on him that Jones has to justify it so they put him on Special teams hoping something clicks. The players don't seem to think so except Zach Thomas who they went out to get because Barbie sucks so bad. A 35 year old that was waived because no team would trade for. I think at this stage the comments are worse than special teams. You want respect from your teamates.

Nobody cares what Jerry says on some TV show...playing means everything...words are forgotten and mean nothing.

I can't believe this conversation is happening...him not playing on defense is far worse than what Jerry said.

[jack sommerset]

Nobody cares what Jerry says on some TV show...playing means everything...words are forgotten and mean nothing.


You may be right. I have my opinion but point taken.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

I will take his hits with his misses 10/10 times. His drafting was incredible.

Tell me the great picks he made? Ware was a no brainier. He did pass on SJax to take JJ if I recall that was good. Barber great pick :toast Spears? He had some good picks but also missed a few gems IMO.

[Evan]

Tell me the great picks he made? Ware was a no brainier. He did pass on SJax to take JJ if I recall that was good. Barber great pick :toast Spears? He had some good picks but also missed a few gems IMO.

Tell me who rebuilt a better team from crap to what he did in the 00's. I am sure you can fine a one or two but what he did was damn good and better than most. He can draft for the Cowboys until the day he dies and I will be fine with it. Everyone has huge misses...no drafting is perfect or as Bill said "Hitting one out of two is pretty damn good when it comes to the draft. You have to be lucky"

And don't tell me Ware was a no brainer...the Cowboys were slaughtered on forums, blogs, sites and everyone else in the media for not drafting shawn merriman.

[Evan]

You may be right. I have my opinion but point taken.

fair enough :toast

[Whisky Dog]

Obviously not starting or playing is the ultimate display of his suckness. But we already knew that, we've known that for 2 years.

Jerry flat out calling him finesse is definitely a kick in the balls on top of everything else.



Parcells had some misses, but he found some damn good personnel for this team with his two biggest successes being Romo and Barber. Also, the Cowboys didn't get Julius Jones instead of Jackson straight up, they got the extra first out of it that became Marcus Spears. Spears lacks in pass rush but his run defense has been damn good over the last season +.

[jack sommerset]

Obviously not starting or playing is the ultimate display of his suckness. But we already knew that, we've known that for 2 years.

Jerry flat out calling him finesse is definitely a kick in the balls on top of everything else.



Parcells had some misses, but he found some damn good personnel for this team with his two biggest successes being Romo and Barber. Also, the Cowboys didn't get Julius Jones instead of Jackson straight up, they got the extra first out of it that became Marcus Spears. Spears lacks in pass rush but his run defense has been damn good over the last season +.

I agree but I think Sean Peyton discovered Romo. Parcells made the "balls" call to replace Bledsoe durning a game mid season while the Boys were in a playoff hunt.

[Evan]

I agree but I think Sean Peyton discovered Romo. Parcells made the "balls" call to replace Bledsoe durning a game mid season while the Boys were in a playoff hunt.

I'm not sure it was him or some other scout at a compound.

[jack sommerset]

I'm not sure it was him or some other scout at a compound.

I want to say Sean Peyton and Romo went to same college. Obviously different times. Someone will look it up if not I will later.

[j-6]

I want to say Sean Peyton and Romo went to same college. Obviously different times. Someone will look it up if not I will later.

You're right - Eastern Illinois. Mike Shanahan and Brad Childress also were from EIU.

[Whisky Dog]

I agree but I think Sean Peyton discovered Romo. Parcells made the "balls" call to replace Bledsoe durning a game mid season while the Boys were in a playoff hunt.

Yeah, Payton is the guy who noticed Romo and convinced Parcells to give him a shot. That said, Parcells was the guy who recognized enough in him to use a roster spot for a 3rd QB for 3 or 4 years when most coaches would have cut him for an extra special teams contributor.

[TMSKILZ]

What's the deal w/ Hardknocks ending so early, the latest episode ending in about 48 mins, less than the hour.

The previous episodes ended about 52 mins each. WTF?!?!?

[Vinnie_Johnson]

What's the deal w/ Hardknocks ending so early, the latest episode ending in about 48 mins, less than the hour.

The previous episodes ended about 52 mins each. WTF?!?!?

They should fill the time with TO outtakes that dude is funny as hell.:lmao

[kskonn]

They should fill the time with TO outtakes that dude is funny as hell.:lmao

I could watch him and tank bullshitting all night long.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

I could watch him and tank bullshitting all night long.

Oh yeah Tank is one funny ass mother fucker too:toast

[BRHornet45]

sons has Jessica Simpson and her fifty fow double D's shown up to camp yet???

[kskonn]

sons has Jessica Simpson and her fifty fow double D's shown up to camp yet???

not yet, but they have showed clips of her on the show.

[Trainwreck2100]

Phillip's reaction when he cut Lattimore was so fake.

[Whisky Dog]

The series was ok, but nothing great. It was a difficult team to create drama with because of the virtual impossibility that one of these fringe guys was going to bust the odds and make the team. I have no idea why they chose to portray Lober, there was no way in hell he was making the team. They should have covered Scandrick instead.

[Evan]

Phillip's reaction when he cut Lattimore was so fake.

Naw....I hear this guy do a press conference every day...he really loves his players and gets so defensive when people say anything negative.If you want to call a player or Jerry on that sure…but Wade is just like that.

[Taco]

is it just me or does it seem like Martellus Bennett needs some ritalin. :wtf


http://www.dallascowboys.com/images/bennett_360.jpg

THIS DUDE IT KICKING ASS