Could The Search For The "God Particle" Ultimately Lead To Its Own Failure?

[1369]

Some people seem to think so... (http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/230)

Interesting premise, but it makes my brain itch.

[Trainwreck2100]

Seriously though, i want to know how this thing will help me to get superpowers.

[BacktoBasics]

Won't be long before we find out.

[1369]

Won't be long before we find out.

Or not.

[BacktoBasics]

Or not.but then we'll know.

[Trainwreck2100]

for all we know it has already been turned out and has sent humanity on an infinite time loop.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

for all we know it has already been turned out and has sent humanity on an infinite time loop.

That would be kinda trippy. Like Groundhog's Day or something.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

for all we know it has already been turned out and has sent humanity on an infinite time loop.

That would be kinda trippy. Like Groundhog's Day or something.

[Trainwreck2100]

for all we know it has already been turned out and has sent humanity on an infinite time loop.

[Trainwreck2100]

In all serious though how do we know that this machine won't blow us up, but also create a ripple in time so huge that is ends up being the big bang.`

[johnsmith]

:lol

[ShoogarBear]

Why the LHC? The authors argue that these sorts of time-violating interactions could be associated with whatever new particles we create at the LHC. For example, the production of a large number of Higgs particles in the future could have a backwards-in-time causal effect on the machine that produced them, stopping the machine from ever running. As possible “evidence” for such a backwards-in-time effect, the authors cite the now-canceled Superconducting Super Collider (SSC)—a particle accelerator that was meant to hunt the Higgs and was partially constructed in Texas before Congress pulled the plug on the project. As the authors write in their paper: “Such a cancellation after a huge investment is already in itself an unusual event that should not happen too often. We might take this event as experimental evidence for our model in which an accelerator with the luminosity and beam energy of the SSC will not be built.”

Okay, now that was just bizarre. I can't believe two scientists wrote that.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

It's exactly as Zukav explained back in 85.....the similarities between the new physics and eastern philosophy are fascinating.

[travis2]

Sounds like a paper written for either JIR or AIR...

[Anti.Hero]

You guys should really read up on this thing.

What gives these assholes the right to risk all of humanity?

[Trainwreck2100]

You guys should really read up on this thing.

What gives these assholes the right to risk all of humanity?

their Hubris is a human condition

[Spurminator]

Can't all of this wait until we've managed to create a laboratory on Mars? What's the big hurry?

[Number 6]

All of this has happened before. It will all happen again.

[Mister Sinister]

The fools! They're trying to divide by zero!

[ShoogarBear]

All of this has happened before. It will all happen again.

Fraud.

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2007/10/02/prisoner460.jpg

[mookie2001]

It's exactly as Zukav explained back in 85.....the similarities between the new physics and eastern philosophy are fascinating.

who is this marriott known as zukav??

is that like that band you told me about? tool? was it

or rush?

[Number 6]

Fraud.

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2007/10/02/prisoner460.jpgDo you need to be dealt with by a Rover?

[Marklar MM]

Can't all of this wait until we've managed to create a laboratory on Mars? What's the big hurry?

http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/doom.jpg

[Viva Las Espuelas]

some awesome pictures of this thing here (http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/08/the_large_hadron_collider.html)

[travis2]

hmmmm...could God be telling us what He thinks of the idea?

http://heritage.stsci.edu/2000/06/keyholenebula/0006b.jpg

[Slomo]

some awesome pictures of this thing here (http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/08/the_large_hadron_collider.html)

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc25.jpg

Yeah, that's how ST's servers look like too! :spin

[BacktoBasics]

CERN announces start-up date for LHC

Geneva, 7 August 2008. CERN has today announced that the first attempt to circulate a beam in the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) will be made on 10 September. This news comes as the cool down phase of commissioning CERN's new particle accelerator reaches a successful conclusion. Television coverage of the start-up will be made available through Eurovision.

The LHC is the world's most powerful particle accelerator, producing beams seven times more energetic than any previous machine, and around 30 times more intense when it reaches design performance, probably by 2010. Housed in a 27-kilometre tunnel, it relies on technologies that would not have been possible 30 years ago. The LHC is, in a sense, its own prototype.

Starting up such a machine is not as simple as flipping a switch. Commissioning is a long process that starts with the cooling down of each of the machine's eight sectors. This is followed by the electrical testing of the 1600 superconducting magnets and their individual powering to nominal operating current. These steps are followed by the powering together of all the circuits of each sector, and then of the eight independent sectors in unison in order to operate as a single machine.

By the end of July, this work was approaching completion, with all eight sectors at their operating temperature of 1.9 degrees above absolute zero (-271°C). The next phase in the process is synchronization of the LHC with the Super Proton Synchrotron (SPS) accelerator, which forms the last link in the LHC's injector chain. Timing between the two machines has to be accurate to within a fraction of a nanosecond. A first synchronization test is scheduled for the weekend of 9 August, for the clockwise-circulating LHC beam, with the second to follow over the coming weeks. Tests will continue into September to ensure that the entire machine is ready to accelerate and collide beams at an energy of 5 TeV per beam, the target energy for 2008. Force majeure notwithstanding, the LHC will see its first circulating beam on 10 September at the injection energy of 450 GeV (0.45 TeV).

Once stable circulating beams have been established, they will be brought into collision, and the final step will be to commission the LHC's acceleration system to boost the energy to 5 TeV, taking particle physics research to a new frontier.

'We're finishing a marathon with a sprint,' said LHC project leader Lyn Evans. 'It's been a long haul, and we're all eager to get the LHC research programme underway.'

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CERN will be issuing regular status updates between now and first collisions. Journalists wishing to attend CERN for the first beam on 10 September must be accredited with the CERN press office. Since capacity is limited, priority will be given to news media. The event will be webcast through http://webcast.cern.ch, and distributed through the Eurovision network. Live stand up and playout facilities will also be available.

A media centre will be established at the main CERN site, with access to the control centres for the accelerator and experiments limited and allocated on a first come first served basis. This includes camera positions at the CERN Control Centre, from where the LHC is run. Only television media will be able to access the CERN Control Centre. No underground access will be possible.

For further information and accreditation procedures: http://www.cern.ch/lhc-first-beam

[ShoogarBear]

Starting up such a machine is not as simple as flipping a switch. Commissioning is a long process that starts with the cooling down of each of the machine's eight sectors. This is followed by the electrical testing of the 1600 superconducting magnets and their individual powering to nominal operating current. These steps are followed by the powering together of all the circuits of each sector, and then of the eight independent sectors in unison in order to operate as a single machine.

No, I meant a Bud Light!

[InRareForm]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/jun/30/cern.particlephysics1

[TDMVPDPOY]

this is just like lookn for black matter

[Ronaldo McDonald]

Before we move on to time travel let's get air travel down.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_08_01/lhc25.jpg

Yeah, that's how ST's servers look like too! :spin
that's funny. millions upon millions of dollars to make this monstrosity and this idiot is using a CRT monitor