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Galileo
08-06-2008, 07:29 PM
FBI's Anthrax Media Strategy Explained

1) After seven years, the FBI is unable to find out who mailed the deadly anthrax.

2) The deadly anthrax came from a government lab.

3) Sherlock Holmes said; "Once you have eliminated everything that is impossible, whatever is left, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."

4) The FBI leaks alleged circumstantial evidence and rumors to the mass media that points to Dr. Ivins' guilt.

5) Since this was a highly sophisticated crime that no one else could have possibly done, most people will believe, by process of elimination, that Dr. Irvins is guilty.

6) The FBI is counting on a majority of the people to hear only what the FBI is leaking, and not read the good investigative stories that demonstrate Dr. Ivins is innocent.

7) If the intelligentsia of the United States cannot absolutely prove Dr. Ivins is innocent, based on what they've read, the FBI is counting on the intelligentsia to use their lack of proof as an excuse to do nothing.

8) Enough investigative stories have already appeared that prove Dr. Ivins is innocent, if you connect the dots.

9) If we, the American intelligentsia, connect the dots, an act, we can demonstrate to the American people that Dr. Ivins is innocent.

10) If Dr. Ivins is innocent, then who is guilty?

11) "Once you have eliminated everything that is impossible, whatever is left, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."

12) Only an insider from the executive branch of the federal government, someone not subject to FBI investigation, could have perpetrated the deadly anthrax attacks in coordination with the war on terror.

ANTHRAX NEWS

Bruce Ivins: The Movie Anthrax mystery: the FBI/media narrative is laughable – and sinister
by Justin Raimondo
http://antiwar.com/justin/

February 1999: Classified CIA Report Discusses Responses to an Anthrax Attack through the Mail
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=complete_911_timeline_5528#comple te_911_timeline_5528

Refutation of New Alleged Anthrax Evidence

The media is reporting new "evidence" against Dr. Ivins today. None of the new alleged evidence addresses these facts:

1) All the people who were testing the anthrax letters had custody of the special strain used, including the FBI and the people at Dr. Ivins' lab who were helping the FBI with the investigation.

2) Dr. Ivins has been cooperating with the anthrax investigation for 7 years, passed polygraphs, and answered every question the FBI asked.

3) Dr. Ivins wasn't in New Jersey the day the letters were mailed, nor does he have a motive. Nor did he have custody of dry anthrax, nor the equipment to make it, or the technical training.

4) The media is just repeating bullshit from the FBI looking for a scapegoat.

5) The real people of interest should be Dick Cheney and the FBI. Cheney and his staff were taking Cipro a week before the "surprise" anthrax attacks occurred.

MORE ANTHRAX NEWS

The FBI's New Anthrax Evidence
http://www.911blogger.com/node/16987#comment

FBI said to have stalked Ivins' family
Diane Sweet
Published: Wednesday August 6, 2008
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/FBI_said_to_have_stalked_Ivins_0806.html

Colonel Anderson Refutes False Allegations Against Dr. Ivins
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/08/colonel-anderson-refutes-false.html

Anthrax Gone Viral: Roundup 8-5-08
http://www.911blogger.com/node/16969

Anthrax Vaccine -- posts by Meryl Nass, M.D.
http://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/

Wash. Post: Cheney's Staff Given Anthrax Vaccine Week Before Anthrax Attacks
White House Mail Machine Has Anthrax
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20011023/aponline201158_000.htm

ANTHRAX QUESTIONS

Why were White House aides given cipro weeks before the anthrax attacks, and why "on the night of the Sept. 11 attacks, [did] the White House Medical Office dispense[] Cipro to staff accompanying Vice President Dick Cheney as he was secreted off to the safety of Camp David"? [Washington Post, 10/23/2001]

Why, if Cheney was given cipro on the night of the 9/11 attacks, was he allegedly "convinced that he had been subjected to a lethal dose of anthrax" on October 18, and that this fear is what led him to seek refuge in "undisclosed locations" and thereafter support an array of hard-line tactics against suspected terrorists? [Jane Mayer, The Dark Side, 2008]

Which "high government official" told Richard Cohen to take cipro prior to the anthrax attacks (it wasn't a "source" who did so, since Cohen didn't write about it and apparently never intended to; it was just someone high up in Government passing along a helpful tip to a media friend) [Richard Cohen, Slate, March 18, 2008]

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/08/03/journalism/

STILL MORE ANTHRAX NEWS

FBI used aggressive tactics in anthrax probe
By PETE YOST
WASHINGTON (AP)
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5icCsDXbi3Yojuvo5W4j01VxWio0wD92CDS6O0

Scientists Question FBI Probe On AnthraxIvins Could Not Have Been Attacker, Some Say
By Joby Warrick, Marilyn W. Thompson and Aaron C. Davis
Washington Post Staff Writers Sunday, August 3, 2008; Page A01
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR2008080201632.html?hpid=topnews

Scientist’s Suicide Linked to Anthrax InquiryBy SCOTT SHANE and ERIC LICHTBLAU
Published: August 2, 2008
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/02/washington/02anthrax.html?pagewanted=1#

911 Plotters Bury the Evidence of Anthrax as their Follow-up Punch
by Michael Green
Aug. 3, 2008
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/green/911PlottersBuryEvidence.html

How Solid Is the Anthrax Evidence?
Tuesday, Aug. 05, 2008
By AMANDA RIPLEY AND MASSIMO CALABRESI
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1829495,00.html?cnn=yes

Exclusive: Government's Purported 'Anthrax Killer' Was a Registered DemocratParty Affiliation of the Now-Deceased Bruce Ivins, as Confirmed by His Local County Board of Elections, Adds Yet Another Curious Question to the Increasingly Troubling Investigation into the Post-9/11 Terrorist Attacks on American Soil...
-- Brad Friedman
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6245

Bruce Ivins Wasn't the Anthrax Culprit
By RICHARD SPERTZEL
August 5, 2008
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121789293570011775.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Glenn Greenwald
Sunday Aug. 3, 2008 07:26 EDT
Journalists, their lying sources, and the anthrax investigation
(Updated below - Update II - Update III - Update IV)
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/08/03/journalism/

Anthrax Article Archive
http://www.911blogger.com/taxonomy/term/1531

Anthrax - the gateway toxin to 9/11 conspiracy theories!

The Patsy
Was Bruce Ivins the anthrax killer?
by Justin Raimondo
http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=13251

Galileo's Comment:

Don't believe 9/11 was a government conspiracy? Well, I suggest you read up on the Anthrax case, its the gateway drug to the 9/11 Truth movement.

clambake
08-06-2008, 07:45 PM
do you have any links?

ChumpDumper
08-06-2008, 07:47 PM
So if the FBI can make up part of the evidence against Ivins, why couldn't they make it all up?

BradLohaus
08-06-2008, 10:27 PM
2) Dr. Ivins has been cooperating with the anthrax investigation for 7 years, passed polygraphs, and answered every question the FBI asked.

3) Dr. Ivins wasn't in New Jersey the day the letters were mailed, nor does he have a motive. Nor did he have custody of dry anthrax, nor the equipment to make it, or the technical training.

5)Cheney and his staff were taking Cipro a week before the "surprise" anthrax attacks occurred.

Is that all true?

Galileo
08-07-2008, 12:23 PM
Is that all true?

yes, its all true.

ChumpDumper
08-07-2008, 12:27 PM
So if the FBI can make up part of the evidence against Ivins, why couldn't they make it all up?

Galileo
08-07-2008, 01:31 PM
They could make it all up, but then they run even greater risk of being exposed. As it stands now, most people are sceptical as hell!

2centsworth
08-07-2008, 01:33 PM
This thread seems like an appropriate place for me to state that Obama is the anit-christ.

Galileo
08-07-2008, 01:48 PM
This thread seems like an appropriate place for me to state that Obama is the anit-christ.

I thought Hitler was the anti-christ?

Did you know that they never went after Hitler's driver at the Neuremburg trials?

Galileo
08-07-2008, 01:58 PM
Lone Nut Anthrax Killer Debunked

2001 Anthrax Attacks | anthrax | Anthrax attacks | weaponized anthrax

Lone Nut Anthrax Killer Theory Debunked

The FBI says that Dr. Bruce Ivins acted alone in the deadly 2001 anthrax attacks.

But the letters that contained the deadly anthrax are not in the handwriting of Dr. Ivins, according to FBI evidence released yesterday.

So that proves right there that if Dr. Ivins did do it, then he did not act alone.

More importantly, the fact that the letters are in someones else's handwriting, is strong evidence that someone else, NOT Dr. Ivins, is the anthrax killer.

We can also presume that the handwriting of the anthrax letters is not that of any of the other scientists who worked with Dr. Ivins, otherwise they would be suspects.

So George Washington's assertion that the anthrax did not come from Ft. Detrick is confirmed.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/17013

George Washington's blog:

http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com

Galileo
08-07-2008, 03:13 PM
So if the FBI can make up part of the evidence against Ivins, why couldn't they make it all up?

If Dr. Ivins did it, why wasn't he taking Cipro like Dick Cheney was?

ChumpDumper
08-07-2008, 04:14 PM
They could make it all up, but then they run even greater risk of being exposed. As it stands now, most people are sceptical as hell!So why even act like they have a suspect? That makes no sense whatsoever.

ChumpDumper
08-07-2008, 04:14 PM
If Dr. Ivins did it, why wasn't he taking Cipro like Dick Cheney was?How do you know he hadn't?

Galileo
08-07-2008, 04:36 PM
How do you know he hadn't?

the FBI would have used it as evidence against him.

Galileo
08-07-2008, 04:58 PM
Anthrax suspect passed 2 polygraphs



Handwriting analysis also failed to tie Ivins to letters



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Posted: August 07, 2008



2:56 pm Eastern



© 2008 WorldNetDaily



Casting further doubt on the FBI's anthrax case, accused government scientist Bruce Ivins passed two polygraph tests and a handwriting analysis comparing samples of his handwriting to writing contained in the anthrax letters, U.S. officials familiar with the investigation say.



The Justice Department yesterday closed the case, announcing the late "Dr. Ivins was the only person responsible for these attacks."



Ivins passed the first polygraph to satisfy a security requirement prior to working with the FBI as part of a team of scientists at the Fort Detrick, Md., lab who originally helped analyze the anthrax letters. He passed a second exam after he became a suspect.



WND has learned that the FBI was so frustrated with the exam results that last October authorities asked a judge for permission to search Ivins' home and vehicles specifically for evidence of any materials, such as books, that would have helped him "defeat a polygraph."

Also, officials confirm that FBI handwriting analysts were unable to conclusively match samples of Ivins' handwriting with the writing on the anthrax envelopes and letters, which sounded as if they were written by jihadist accomplices of the 9/11 hijackers. The crude notes declared: "DEATH TO AMERICA. DEATH TO ISRAEL. ALLAH IS GREAT."

READ THE REST:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=71721

ChumpDumper
08-07-2008, 06:26 PM
the FBI would have used it as evidence against him.How would they know? And if he worked with anthrax before, would he not have taken some precautions like that as a matter of course?

ChumpDumper
08-07-2008, 06:27 PM
So why even act like they have a suspect?

Galileo
08-07-2008, 07:03 PM
Anthrax Foreknowledge? DOJ/FBI Doesn't Care
http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=8517

Dr. Meryl Nass, anthrax expert, analyzes the case against Ivins
http://www.911blogger.com/node/17022

ChumpDumper
08-07-2008, 07:05 PM
Again, what purpose does falsely accusing an American of these attack serve?

Nbadan
08-08-2008, 12:14 AM
...ask Lee Harvey Oswald...

ChumpDumper
08-08-2008, 07:38 AM
Oh, Oswald definitely killed JFK.

That makes everything clear to me now.

Ivins was behind the anthrax attacks.

Thanks for the analogy.

Galileo
08-08-2008, 12:07 PM
16 Labs Had the Killer Anthrax Strain
Page 6 of the FBI's search warrant affidavit in the Ivins' investigation states:


"Of the sixteen domestic government, commercial, and university laboratories that virulent RMR-1029 Ames strain Bacillus antrhracis material in their inventory prior to the attacks ...."
As the Baltimore Sun summarizes it:
"The government said that 16 government, commercial and university labs had the strain of anthrax with the same genetic mutations as the anthrax used in the attacks.

***

And even at Fort Detrick, the government said that more than 100 people had access to the flask, creating a lot of room for reasonable doubt."
Posted by George Washington at 9:59 PM

http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/08/16-labs-had-killer-anthrax-strain.html

OTHER ANTHRAX NEWS

More than 100 people had access

http://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/2008/08/more-than-100-people-had-access.html


If Ivins Went Nuts, It Was the FBI Who Drove Him Crazy

http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/08/ivins-went-nuts-but-it-was-fbi-who.html



DARPA-linked Cycorp "Predicted" the Anthrax Attacks - 6 months before they happened

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/8/947/65207/909/564561



Dr. Meryl Nass, anthrax expert, analyzes the case against Ivins

http://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/2008/08/beyond-reasonable-doubt.html



Is Bruce Ivins the American David Kelly?

Posted by Lew Rockwell

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/022287.html



Ivins' Latest Crime: He was a Catholic

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/022293.html




Three key questions still unanswered in anthrax case
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/46774.html

Anthrax Case Raises Doubt On Security
Gaps in Lab Safeguards Prompt Calls for Investigations
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/07/AR2008080703462_pf.html

ChumpDumper
08-08-2008, 12:28 PM
Again, what purpose does falsely accusing an American of these attack serve?

Galileo
08-08-2008, 12:34 PM
It lets the real criminal get away.

ChumpDumper
08-08-2008, 12:37 PM
It lets the real criminal get away.But it serves no purpose for Cheney to take over the world before next January.

Why say an American did it at all? Why not just stick with saying it was Saddam and vindicate the invasion of Iraq?

Galileo
08-08-2008, 01:43 PM
But it serves no purpose for Cheney to take over the world before next January.

Why say an American did it at all? Why not just stick with saying it was Saddam and vindicate the invasion of Iraq?

Saddam wasn't in NJ on September 18, 2001.

ChumpDumper
08-08-2008, 01:44 PM
If Dr. Ivins did it, why wasn't he taking Cipro like Dick Cheney was?Are you telling me a scientist who regularly worked with anthrax never took any precautions against exposure to anthrax?

You'll have to provide a link for that.

I bet I can find a link saying he did.

Galileo
08-08-2008, 04:38 PM
Are you telling me a scientist who regularly worked with anthrax never took any precautions against exposure to anthrax?

You'll have to provide a link for that.

I bet I can find a link saying he did.

I'll concede that. I think Ivins was taking Cipro along with all the other scientists at his lab.

But Cheney didn't work at an anthrax lab.

ChumpDumper
08-08-2008, 04:57 PM
No, he was just the vice-president of the United States after a terrorist attack. He obviously was planning to send anthrax to himself and blame it on Saddam but forgot to. He was too busy making sure all the steel from WTC 7 was being melted and all the detcord and thermite residue removed from ground zero and bringing in burned cadavers of homeless people into the Pentagon. Then he had the FBI frame the one American and paid him six million dollars instead of just killing him like they did the other guy they framed six years later.

It all makes perfect sense.

Galileo
08-08-2008, 05:44 PM
Doubts persist on Ivins' guilt



Scientists and legal experts skeptical



By Stephen Kiehl and Josh Mitchell | Sun reporters



August 8, 2008



1 2 next A day after the Justice Department released hundreds of documents purporting to link Bruce E. Ivins to the 2001 anthrax killings, scientists and legal experts criticized the strength of the case and cast doubt on whether it could have succeeded.



Federal investigators presented a raft of circumstantial evidence this week intended to prove Ivins' guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. But officials lacked direct evidence, such as hair fibers, DNA samples or handwriting analysis, that the eccentric microbiologist created the deadly powder in his Fort Detrick lab. Questions also remain about Ivins' ability to convert the spores stored in his lab into the powder sent through the mail.



More than half a dozen experts in law and bioterrorism pointed out yesterday what they consider major flaws in the government's case and said they were not convinced that Ivins acted alone in mailing the letters that killed five people - or that he was involved at all. They said that the science that led the FBI to Ivins has not been explained and that the other evidence did not amount to conclusive proof.



Because Ivins committed suicide last week, that evidence will never be tested at trial, but his attorney has repeatedly insisted that the scientist was innocent.



Related link



Jean Marbella: Holes in anthrax case not novel



Questions



Scientists and legal experts skeptical of the government's case against Bruce E. Ivins point to several lingering questions:



• How would Ivins have made the anthrax? The FBI said Ivins used his lab to convert anthrax spores into powdered anthrax but has presented no proof that he had the equipment or expertise to do so.



• What motive would Ivins have had? The FBI speculates Ivins might have wanted to heighten the need for a vaccine he was working on, but relatives and co-workers doubt that motive.



• How did the FBI rule out other labs and scientists who had access to the anthrax used in the attacks?



• Why did the anthrax in some of the letters differ from the anthrax found in others? Two letters contained a harmless bacterial contaminant, but the FBI has not shown where it came from or if they tried to trace it to Ivins.



The FBI said it used a sophisticated mapping technique to connect the anthrax in the letters with a flask in a Fort Detrick lab where Ivins worked. But that technique is so new that in the hands of a skilled defense lawyer, it could be "unraveled in front of a jury," said Michael Greenberger, a professor at the University of Maryland Law School.



Not all legal experts were skeptical of the case. Former federal prosecutor E. Lawrence Barcella said the FBI appeared to have done a remarkably thorough investigation. "They've made a very strong circumstantial case, an extremely strong circumstantial case," Barcella said.



Others said the focus on Ivins' lab raised concerns. The government said that 16 government, commercial and university labs had the strain of anthrax with the same genetic mutations as the anthrax used in the attacks. Only one of those 16 was in Maryland or Virginia - where the government thinks the envelopes used in the attacks were purchased.



That lab is the one where Ivins worked.



"I thought that was a bit of a stretch," said Jonathan D. Tucker, a biological warfare expert on a federal commission to prevent terrorism and the spread of weapons of mass destruction. "It's such a key piece of their argument, and it's based on inference. We don't know which other labs had the strains with the mutations."



And even at Fort Detrick, the government said that more than 100 people had access to the flask, creating a lot of room for reasonable doubt.



"There is a classic defense mechanism - to raise reasonable doubt by presenting the jury with viable options as to how the crime was perpetrated," Greenberger said. "This case would have been a very, very difficult case to prove."



The FBI defended its work Wednesday, saying the painstaking investigation could lead to only one conclusion: Ivins was solely responsible for the attacks. They said the fact they had only circumstantial evidence did not weaken their case, which they now consider closed.



"Thousands of prosecutors in thousands of courthouses across this country every day prove cases beyond a reasonable doubt using circumstantial evidence," Joseph Persichini, assistant director of the FBI's Washington field office, said Wednesday.



In addition to the flask connection, Barcella said the time logs that show Ivins used his lab late at night just before the anthrax mailings raise strong suspicions. He said prosecutions based solely on circumstantial evidence were common and that the strongest such cases relied on the premise that all other alternative scenarios have been ruled out.



That's what happened with the anthrax case, Barcella said. The FBI "eliminated every possibility until they were left with one, which is a tedious but very thorough way to do an investigation," he said.



But other experts say the FBI has not shown how it cleared the 100 or more other people who had access to the flask - the kind of detail that would be forced out at trial. Lacking a trial in this case, experts said Congress should hold hearings or order an independent review of the evidence.



"If those questions are not resolved, there will always be a residue of doubt that the perpetrator will still be at large and that an innocent man may have been accused," said Tucker, of the federal anti-terrorism commission. "It's very important to tie up these lingering loose ends and address the gaps."



Among the unresolved questions:



•How do officials believe Ivins made the anthrax? The FBI says Ivins used his lab to convert anthrax spores into powdered anthrax, but no proof has been presented that he had the equipment or the expertise to do so.



"I'm waiting for it to be shown that the quantity and the quality of the powders in the anthrax letters could have been produced in those suites" at Fort Detrick, said W. Russell Byrne, who retired from Fort Detrick in 2003 and was Ivins' supervisor from 1998 to 2000. "I don't know how to make the stuff," he said.



He also said that so many people were going in and out of the labs at odd hours to check on experiments that it's unlikely Ivins would have gone undetected if he had been working on something illicit, even at night.



1 2 next



READ THE REST:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/bal-te.anthrax08aug08,0,427841.story?page=1



MORE ANTHRAX NEW FLASHES!



Holes in anthrax case not novel

Jean Marbella

August 8, 2008

In case I ever turn up dead while being investigated by the Feds, and they release all the suspicious stuff they've uncovered about me, let me explain right now why I recently Googled "novel kill scientist poisoned strawberry."



READ MORE:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/bal-md.marbella08aug08,0,5925973.column



Is Bruce Ivins the American David Kelly?

Posted by Lew Rockwell at August 7, 2008 10:42 PM

Good for Philip Weiss for printing his dialog with Nancy Horn. Phil, 'fraid I have to side with Dr. Horn. Oh, and David Kelly might well have been murdered.



READ MORE:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/022287.html



Ivins Could Not Have Applied High-Tech Coating to the Killer Anthrax


As everyone knows, the government initially tried to blame Iraq for the anthrax attack. One of the claims made was that the anthrax contained bentonite clay, which was also used by Iraqi anthrax bioweapons makers to "weaponize" the anthrax by decreasing the tendency of anthrax spores to clump together. (Clumping makes them less deadly since clumping reduces the amount of spores which end up in the target's lungs).

The government later disclaimed that assertion. However, the FBI now claims that the killer anthrax contained silicon. Silicon can be used as an anti-clumping agent to weaponize anthrax.



READ MORE:

http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/08/ivins-could-not-have-coated-killer.html



Ivins' Latest Crime: He was a Catholic

Posted by Casey Khan at August 8, 2008 08:23 AM

The keystone cops at the FBI have come up with another explanation to Ivins' motivation. Besides being obsessed with New Jersey sorority chicks, Ivins of all things was a Catholic. The horror. Not only was he a Catholic, he was one of those pesky pro-life Catholics, you know folks who are against violence in the womb aimed to destroy innocent life.

NPR reports:



READ MORE:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/022293.html



Three key questions still unanswered in anthrax case

By Greg Gordon | McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON — Despite the Justice Department's pronouncement that former Army microbiologist Bruce Ivins unleashed the 2001 anthrax attacks that killed five people, three central questions about the case remain unanswered:

_ Can the FBI prove that a flask of anthrax in Ivins' bioweapons laboratory at Ft. Detrick, Md., contained the same mutated strain of finely milled powder that was in the envelopes that were mailed to two U.S. senators?

_ Did Ivins, who committed suicide last week, have the technical capability to produce that form of anthrax?

_ Why, after he came under suspicion in 2005 or earlier, was Ivins allowed to retain a high-level security clearance that enabled him to continue working in the bioweapons laboratory at Ft. Detrick, apparently until this summer?



READ MORE:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/46774.html



Anthrax Case Raises Doubt On Security

Gaps in Lab Safeguards Prompt Calls for Investigations
By Nelson Hernandez and Philip Rucker
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, August 8, 2008; A01
Revelations about anthrax scientist Bruce E. Ivins's mental instability have exposed what congressional leaders and security experts call startling gaps in how the federal government safeguards its most dangerous biological materials, even as the number of bioscience laboratories has grown rapidly since the 2001 terror attacks.

An estimated 14,000 scientists and technicians at about 400 institutions have clearances to access viruses and bacteria such as the Bacillus anthracis used in the anthrax attacks, but security procedures vary by facility, and oversight of the labs is spread across multiple government agencies.



READ MORE:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/07/AR2008080703462_pf.html



The Anthrax Follies and the Bizarro Effect

The case against Bruce Ivins is pathetic

by Justin Raimondo

The release of the FBI's "evidence" against Bruce Ivins, the now-deceased Ft. Detrick scientist targeted by the FBI as the alleged culprit in the 2001 anthrax letters case, demonstrates either (1) the FBI is covering for the real culprits, or (2) what we are witnessing is a dramatic drop in the intelligence of the average FBI official – maybe it's something in the water.

In making the case for the latter, I offer as exhibit number-one the FBI's contention [.pdf file] that the origin of the return address on some of the anthrax-laden envelopes – "Greendale School" – was explained by Ivins' membership in the American Family Association, a group of Christian fundamentalists who often lobby and litigate on behalf of conservative causes:



READ MORE:

http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=13270



Anthrax investigation should be investigated, congressmen say

Sen. Charles Grassley and Rep. Rush Holt want hearings into the Justice Department and FBI's handling of the case.

By Josh Meyer, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

August 8, 2008

WASHINGTON -- After seven long years, the FBI and the Justice Department say they are closing the books on the anthrax investigation.

But the investigation into the investigation is only beginning, and it will focus on what Congress members described Thursday as apparent missteps by authorities that dramatically prolonged the probe, unfairly maligned an innocent government scientist, and raised questions about whether federal agents had conclusively ruled out other suspects besides microbiologist Bruce E. Ivins.



READ MORE:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/middleeast/la-na-anthrax8-2008aug08,0,2258246.story



From an Active-Duty Marine

Posted by Lew Rockwell at August 8, 2008 12:35 AM

"I've been watching the cable news channels (your tax dollars hard at work) and no matter who reports on it, no one ever asks what Mr. Ivins's motive was, nor do they ask why Daschle and Brokaw were targeted. Certainly they never report about how the anthrax attack was blamed on Islamist terrorists (or Iraq) back in '01. Oh and by the way, these attacks that used a biological agent created in our own military labs was the biggest reason why I was forced to receive a potentially harmful vaccine against said substance last year."

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/022290.html

Galileo
08-08-2008, 06:46 PM
Did Bush manipulate the anthrax scare?
ABC News should reveal its ‘anonymous sources’ and clear up the scare that led to war on Iraq
Just five weeks shy of the seventh anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terror attacks on the Trade Towers and the Pentagon, a mystery linked to those attacks has burst once again into active life, prompting a hail of speculation about just how far Bush and Cheney were prepared to go in inflaming public fears, as part of their master plan to justify the attack on Iraq in the spring of 2003.



The mystery concerns the envelopes of white powder containing anthrax spores that were mailed out to prominent Americans, starting on September 18, 2001. They went to US Senate Majority leader Tom Daschle, to US Senator Pat Leahy, to NBC News anchor Tom Brokaw. Directly inhaled into the lungs, the spores can be deadly. In the post-September 11 mailings five died.



Back in the autumn of 2001 the anthrax envelopes convinced millions of Americans

reeling from the collapse of the Trade Towers that Yes, this was war and Islam was the enemy. The crudely written notes accompanying the spores said "Death to America, Death to Israel, Allah is Great."




If this was the spoor of al-Qaida, then California’s wine industry had been taken over by Osama bin Laden


Within hours the Bush administration was leaking stories to the effect that analysis of the anthrax in the envelopes disclosed the presence of bentonite and this chemical footprint - so the anonymous sources insisted to their favoured outlet, Brian Ross of ABC News - was characteristic of products from the bio-terror labs of Saddam Hussein.



Oddly enough, the mention of bentonite had a soothing effect on me. If this was the spoor of al-Qaida, then California's wine industry had been taken over by Osama bin Laden.



Bentonite is a derivative of lava and has many homely applications, from sealing leaky ponds to purging wine of unsightly protein haze. I use it myself to clarify my home-made cider.



But ABC's stories about bentonite-laced anthrax spores carried the day and were hugely effective in helping prepare public sentiment for the attack on



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http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/45079,opinion,did-bush-and-cheney-invent-the-anthrax-scare

Galileo
08-09-2008, 06:36 PM
Investigating the FBI
Just for fun, let's investigate some facets of the FBI's case:

1. Leaks last weekend claimed that Ivins was about to be charged with committing the anthrax crime. Turns out, FBI had not yet brought its evidence against Ivins to a grand jury. And one of his attorneys denies that he was told he was to be charged: "It had never been made clear to him nor to us that he was 'the suspect,'" says DeGonia, Ivins' co-counsel.

2. The FBI said it couldn't produce its case till after the victims and their families were briefed, which took until 8 days after Ivins' death. This gave FBI time to create the story and select the evidence it wanted to present.

3. After Ivins died, FBI agents scrambled to obtain two computers Ivins had used a few days earlier, from a Frederick public library. Only this week did they obtain the search warrant normally required.

4. Remember how this story began one week ago? The following were released: pictures and audio from the hearing where a "Peace Order" had been issued against Ivins a week earlier. The order had been obtained by his substance abuse therapist, herself a recovering multi-substance abuser. But the therapist was on probation for substance abuse (DUI's) and had had an FBI agent suggest she get the order, as well as coach her in the crimes that were about to be laid at Ivins' feet. Could she be interviewed directly? No--she had retreated to an undisclosed location, where she apparently remains.

5. Video of a crazed, estranged older brother named Tom Ivins hit the TV screens, though he had not seen Bruce in 23 years. This guy indicated Bruce thought he was God, had been coddled by their mother, and wasn't a real man, as Tom was. Brother Tom was really scary, but the national media were only too happy to put him in front of the cameras to cast aspersions on Bruce.

6. Only two months ago, the Justice Department had settled with "person of interest" Steven Hatfill, for 5.8 million dollars--but they wouldn't exonerate him or admit liability. Suddenly today (after I mentioned how odd it was that FBI refused to acknowledge Hatfill's innocence, given its claim to have an airtight case against Ivins) the formal exoneration appears.

What is the logical conclusion?

FBI was not ready to prosecute a case against Ivins when he fortuitously killed himself the Tuesday before last. If the evidence of Ivins' guilt had been unequivocal, Hatfill would have been cleared a lot earlier. Looks like the FBI was still hanging onto Hatfill as a possible fallback guy, if they couldn't pin the deed on someone else. You know how the line would go: 'the judge made us pay him off, but he's guilty in our book.'

The FBI then scrambled to come up with enough juicy dirt to clinch the case in the media: producing a mad scientist, fixated on women, poisoning people even before the anthrax letters, thinking he's omnipotent. Even though the two people who were used in this audio-video dog and pony show were themselves highly flawed, the media bit: hook, line and sinker. (Looks like the FBI can play the media a lot better than it plays gumshoe.)

Then, when a few folks, followed by the media, pointed out the profusion of fallacy, fluff and absence of hard evidence during 3 days of successive leaks, the FBI started scrambling to find some evidence--quick--and plug some holes. They are still at it.

Looks like Ivins' death was a precondition for FBI to "close the case."
Posted by Meryl Nass, M.D. at 7:25 PM
4 comments:
http://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/2008/08/investigating-fbi.html



Holes in the Anthrax Case?
The nation and the FBI would benefit from an independent review of the investigation.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/08/AR2008080803381_pf.html



Ivins' Lawyer on where the envelopes came from

http://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/2008/08/ivins-lawyer-on-where-envelopes-came.html



Through surveillance, was FBI complicit in Ivins' death?

http://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/2008/08/bombshell-was-fbi-complicit-in-ivins.html



Sander Hicks: The “Mad Scientist” Ivins, and Other 9/11 Legends

http://www.911blogger.com/node/17040



Anthrax Hysteria

http://www.antiwar.com/prather/?articleid=13276



The US Government Is the Real Bioterror Threat

http://www.antiwar.com/eland/?articleid=13279

ChumpDumper
08-09-2008, 09:18 PM
Is cutting and pasting all you can do?

Too bad Ivins tried to fuck up the investigation. Must have been an honest mistake.

All three or four times.

Nbadan
08-10-2008, 12:56 PM
Chumpy has no explanation for WTC7 and he has no explanation how Ivins weaponized Anthax spores

ChumpDumper
08-10-2008, 01:08 PM
Fire and dozens of hours of unsupervised lab time.

That was easy.

I'll bump the 9/11 thread so you can give all of us your explanation about WTC7.

Nbadan
08-10-2008, 01:17 PM
Source: Suspect took leave to mail anthrax letters



Officials said biodefense researcher Bruce E. Ivins was responsible for mailing anthrax-laced mail.

The source said records show Ivins reported to work at his Fort Detrick lab on the morning of September 17, 2001, but stayed only a short time before taking leave hours.

Though they have no direct proof, investigators believe Ivins used the time to drive to Princeton, New Jersey, where the letters were mailed. Princeton is about 160 miles from Frederick, Maryland, the home of Fort Detrick.

Ivins returned to the lab for a late afternoon appointment, according to the source, who asked not to be named.

An attorney for Ivins, Tom Degonia, emphasized there is no direct evidence showing Ivins mailed the letters or drove to New Jersey that day.

The U.S. government Wednesday declared Ivins the lone culprit in the anthrax attacks, saying he had a history of mental illness and that he created and mailed the spores used to kill five people.

AND..


The investigation examined Dr. Ivins's laboratory activity immediately before and after the window of opportunity for the mailing of the Post and Brokaw letters to New York which began at 5:00 p.m. Monday, September 17,2001 and ended at noon on Tuesday, September 18, 2001.

CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/08/anthrax.probe/index...)

Frederick, MD to Princeton, NJ is a 3 1/2 hr drive, let's say 3 hrs speeding. So if he made a 4:XX meeting, he left Princeton at 1:XX on Monday the 17th. There's no way, using the leave hours cited, the Dr. Ivins could have made the window needed to mail the first batch of anthax.

USDOJ Website (http://www.usdoj.gov/amerithrax/07-524-M-01%20attachment.pdf)

ChumpDumper
08-10-2008, 02:37 PM
So if he made a 4:XX meetingWho says the meeting was at 4?

You?

ChumpDumper
08-10-2008, 02:40 PM
I'm sure dan could tell us all why Ivins was spending so much time in Suite B-3 after hours at Fort Dietrick around the time of the attacks.

Ivins sure couldn't.

Galileo
08-10-2008, 02:48 PM
Source: Suspect took leave to mail anthrax letters




AND..



CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/08/anthrax.probe/index...)

Frederick, MD to Princeton, NJ is a 3 1/2 hr drive, let's say 3 hrs speeding. So if he made a 4:XX meeting, he left Princeton at 1:XX on Monday the 17th. There's no way, using the leave hours cited, the Dr. Ivins could have made the window needed to mail the first batch of anthax.

USDOJ Website (http://www.usdoj.gov/amerithrax/07-524-M-01%20attachment.pdf)

Great find!

more anthrax info here: www.barrettforcongress.us

Galileo
08-10-2008, 02:49 PM
Source: Suspect took leave to mail anthrax letters




AND..



CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/08/anthrax.probe/index...)

Frederick, MD to Princeton, NJ is a 3 1/2 hr drive, let's say 3 hrs speeding. So if he made a 4:XX meeting, he left Princeton at 1:XX on Monday the 17th. There's no way, using the leave hours cited, the Dr. Ivins could have made the window needed to mail the first batch of anthax.

USDOJ Website (http://www.usdoj.gov/amerithrax/07-524-M-01%20attachment.pdf)

I thought it was 198 miles?

ChumpDumper
08-10-2008, 02:53 PM
If there is an actual timeline somewhere, I'd like to see it.

I agree much of the evidence against Ivins is circumstantial, but no one here has given an explanation as to why he was in B-3 around the time of the attacks, or why he tried to give the FBI bogus samples during their investigation.

Galileo
08-10-2008, 03:15 PM
If there is an actual timeline somewhere, I'd like to see it.

I agree much of the evidence against Ivins is circumstantial, but no one here has given an explanation as to why he was in B-3 around the time of the attacks, or why he tried to give the FBI bogus samples during their investigation.

He never gave the FBI bogus samples:

Full NPR Interview With Ivins' Attorney Paul Kemp
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93423750

ChumpDumper
08-10-2008, 03:25 PM
He never gave the FBI bogus samples:He did.

http://www.usdoj.gov/amerithrax/07-524-M-01%20attachment.pdf

Page 10

ChumpDumper
08-10-2008, 03:50 PM
In April 2002, researchers noticed an anthrax-laced deposit on the outside of a flask outside the biocontainment area. The contamination spawned an investigation and a 361-page Army report, during which Dr. Ivins admitted his unauthorized office cleanup.

He told Army investigators that he had cleaned his office the previous fall, and then again without permission in April, because "I had no desire to cry 'Wolf!' " and blame someone else for the spill....

[quite convenient timing, and why didn't he just admit to it at the time(s)?]

Meanwhile, Dr. Ivins developed hypotheses about other suspects. In a search of his house, the FBI found an email in which Dr. Ivins names two fellow scientists, providing 11 reasons for their possible guilt. He sent the email from a personal account to his Army account. It isn't clear whether Dr. Ivins was puzzling over the case or whether he was plotting to divert suspicion.

[searching for the real killers, just like OJ]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121824122279026121.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

If you guys can convict Larry Silverstein of mass murder for saying the word "pull", I'm sticking with Ivins as the prime suspect in the anthrax case.

Galileo
08-10-2008, 04:05 PM
In April 2002, researchers noticed an anthrax-laced deposit on the outside of a flask outside the biocontainment area. The contamination spawned an investigation and a 361-page Army report, during which Dr. Ivins admitted his unauthorized office cleanup.

He told Army investigators that he had cleaned his office the previous fall, and then again without permission in April, because "I had no desire to cry 'Wolf!' " and blame someone else for the spill....

[quite convenient timing, and why didn't he just admit to it at the time(s)?]

Meanwhile, Dr. Ivins developed hypotheses about other suspects. In a search of his house, the FBI found an email in which Dr. Ivins names two fellow scientists, providing 11 reasons for their possible guilt. He sent the email from a personal account to his Army account. It isn't clear whether Dr. Ivins was puzzling over the case or whether he was plotting to divert suspicion.

[searching for the real killers, just like OJ]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121824122279026121.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

If you guys can convict Larry Silverstein of mass murder for saying the word "pull", I'm sticking with Ivins as the prime suspect in the anthrax case.

an email naming 11 suspects is evidence of innocence, especially given that FBI won;t tell us what the reasons are.

Galileo
08-10-2008, 04:06 PM
He did.

http://www.usdoj.gov/amerithrax/07-524-M-01%20attachment.pdf

Page 10

the FBI is substituting a mistake and their lack of memory, for a "suspicious" action.

ChumpDumper
08-10-2008, 04:07 PM
an email naming 11 suspects is evidence of innocence, especially given that FBI won;t tell us what the reasons are.It was 2 suspects.

You can't even read.

ChumpDumper
08-10-2008, 04:10 PM
the FBI is substituting a mistake and their lack of memory, for a "suspicious" action.Providing a sample from a completely different culture than was requested months after not following protocol is suspicious.

His lawyer did nothing to refute either claim.

Nbadan
08-11-2008, 12:21 AM
Who says the meeting was at 4?

You?

CNN before they went back and edited their piece because they realized that the lies weren't meeting up with their own timeline....

Nbadan
08-16-2008, 02:48 AM
Strands From Mailbox in Princeton Are Not From Ivins, Investigators Say

By Carrie Johnson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, August 14, 2008; Page A02


Federal investigators probing the deadly 2001 anthrax attacks recovered samples of human hair from a mailbox in Princeton, N.J., but the strands did not match the lead suspect in the case, according to sources briefed on the probe. FBI agents and U.S. Postal Service inspectors analyzed the data in an effort to place Fort Detrick, Md., scientist Bruce E. Ivins at the mailbox from which bacteria-laden letters were sent to Senate offices and media organizations, the sources said.

The hair sample is one of many pieces of evidence over which researchers continue to puzzle in the case, which ended after Ivins committed suicide July 29 as prosecutors prepared to seek his indictment. Authorities released sworn statements and search warrants last week at a news conference in which they asserted that Ivins was their sole suspect. But the materials have not dampened speculation about the merits of the investigative findings and the government's aggressive pursuit of Ivins, a 62-year-old anthrax vaccine researcher. Conspiracy theories have flourished since the 2001 attacks, which killed five people and sickened 17 others.

Yesterday, the Senate Judiciary Committee announced it will call FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III to appear at an oversight hearing Sept. 17, when he is likely to be asked about the strength of the government's case against Ivins. A spokeswoman for Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa), a vocal FBI critic, said he would demand more information about how authorities narrowed their search. The House Judiciary panel, meanwhile, is negotiating to hold a separate oversight hearing in September with bureau officials, in a session that could mark the first public occasion in which Mueller faces questions about the FBI's handling of the anthrax case.

Friends and former colleagues of Ivins, who died before he could see the full array of evidence prosecutors had gathered, continue to demand information about the DNA advances that authorities say led them to a flask in Ivins's lab. Defense lawyer Paul F. Kemp yesterday said he wonders "where Ivins could have possibly stored this anthrax without any employees seeing it, or if he took it home, why there was no trace" of the deadly spores, despite repeated FBI searches over the past two years of Ivins's car, his work locker, a safe-deposit box and his house. ...

Nearly seven years after the incidents, however, investigators have come up dry in their efforts to find direct evidence to place Ivins at the Nassau Street mailbox in September and October 2001.

ChumpDumper
08-16-2008, 02:56 AM
CNN before they went back and edited their piece because they realized that the lies weren't meeting up with their own timeline....They're in on it!

Conspiracy!