2008 USA Olympic Team vs. World All-Stars...

[Phenomanul]

Since many here are playing the "what if" game.... I figured I'd pose the following question (I know we've asked it on occasion around All-Star game time)....

Who would win a best out of 7 series between the current 2008 USA Olympic squad vs. a team comprised out of World All-Stars?

FIBA rules...
or
NBA rules...

Take your pick.... and explain your reasoning.

World Team (1st draft):
PG: Tony Parker/Steve Nash/José Calderón
SG: Manu Ginobili/Peja Stojakovic/D. Diamantidis
SF: Dirk Nowitzki/Andrei Kirilenko/Andres Nocioni/Rudy Fernandez
PF: Tim Duncan*/Pau Gasol/Luis Scola
C: Yao Ming/Samuel Dalembert/A. Bogut

Other world players: Boris Diaw, Raja Bell, Fabricio Oberto, Yi Jianlian?, Carlos Delfino, Sasha Vujacic, Linus Kleiza

Discuss.

[ducks]

Tim Duncan* why the asterick for duncan?

[Phenomanul]

Tim Duncan* why the asterick for duncan?

Only because he's already played for Team USA before...

[whottt]

Even though the Barcelona Olympics were three years away, Tim was a lock to make the VI swimming squad in the 50, 100 and 400 meters. What he really wanted was to make the U.S. team, for which Crucians are technically eligible.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2711331&postcount=28



The U.S. took possession of the islands on March 31, 1917 and the territory was renamed the Virgin Islands of the United States.

U.S. citizenship was granted to the inhabitants of the islands in 1927.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Virgin_Islands




Why do people continually act like Tim Duncan is not a US Citizen? He is...he has been since the day he was born. He's repped the US. He went to school in America, his wife is American, she was born here, his kids are American, they were born here. The only difference is that he can't vote in the Presidential election unless living in the states. I mean has anyone ever actually heard Tim Duncan talk?


I get sick of seeing Duncan not counted as an American and I'd be willing to bet he finds that kind of offensive....since he is an American.

[Phenomanul]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2711331&postcount=28





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Virgin_Islands




Why do people continually act like Tim Duncan is not a US Citizen? He is...he has been since the day he was born. He's repped the US. He went to school in America, his wife is American, she was born here, his kids are American, they were born here. The only difference is that he can't vote in the Presidential election unless living in the states. I mean has anyone ever actually heard Tim Duncan talk?


I get sick of seeing Duncan not counted as an American and I'd be willing to bet he finds that kind of offensive....since he is an American.

Hence the asterisk.... no need to get bent out of shape; then again you do have a shorter fuse than most people. :lol

The real reason I listed Duncan with the World All-Stars is because he would give them a legitimate chance of winning such a series (plus he probably wouldn't mind playing with his two all-star caliber teammates). But you're probably right, Tim would more than likely turn down such an invite were the hypothetical scenario ever considered.

So now I figure the World Team would be 'toast' without Duncan....

[DespЏrado]

I agree, Tim has played for the US olympic team, he can't be considered a foreigner.

Yao, Pau, and Dirk are more than enough to give the world team a very good chance to beat the US team.


The fundamentally more sound passing shooting team would make the world team slight favorites.

[urunobili]

so why don;t you all smart asses answer why he didn't want (and did not) to face the US Virgin Islands in the qualy match against them in 2004?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

so why don;t you all smart asses answer why he didn't want (and did not) to face the US Virgin Islands in the qualy match against them in 2004?


Saturday, Aug. 23, Tim Duncan was milling the decision for some time and then decided not to play against his Native country, the Virgin Islands. The American Olympic qualifying team did not need him as they demolished the Virgin Islands 113-55. "It was a personal decision, of course," Duncan said in a statement released by the team. "I did speak with the coaches and some of my Virgin Islands friends, and I came to the decision that it was the best gesture to make and the right thing to do, and that it felt right in this situation." http://media.www.yucommentator.com/media/storage/paper652/news/2003/09/09/Sports/Dream.Team.2003.Dream.Or.Nightmare-458869.shtml

[stretch]

okay duncan absolutely does not belong on that team. so take him away, and you have ONE guy that actually plays solid defense... Manu. Pau and Yao gets a few blocks every now and then, but their defense is not good at all. Same for AK-47 (most overrated defender ive ever seen) who just gets steals and blocks because of his long arms, but gets beat and outmuscled VERY easily. All three of them get dunked on quite frequently and have fragile psyches as well, which does not help on the defensive end.

it would be a good game, but i would have to go with the US, because they have a better chance of stopping guys like Dirk, Yao, Manu, Nash than the International team would have stopping Lebron, Wade, Kobe, and CP3.

[Obstructed_View]

Timmy would foul out in the first ten minutes; it's been proven that he's incapable of playing by international rules. Besides, since he's played for the US team I don't think he's eligible to play for anyone else, even the USVI team.

The reason international teams are able compete with the US team is because they play like a team. Taking the marquee players and throwing them in together makes them an all-star, and doesn't make them better. Half the NBA teams could beat the US olympic team in a seven game series.

[Manufan909]

Idk, maybe not half, cuz the half you'd expect to win (Hornets, Lakers,Mavs, Jazz), what would they do about their missing players? Does Team USA have to pick diff players just for that game?

[Obstructed_View]

Idk, maybe not half, cuz the half you'd expect to win (Hornets, Lakers,Mavs, Jazz), what would they do about their missing players? Does Team USA have to pick diff players just for that game?

No, since we are speaking hypothetically it's like Madden. They can play on both sides.

The point is that a good team of guys that play well together beats an all star team most of the time. Making an all-star international team turns it into team USA which is the problem. Everybody knows the US has the most talent right now, so it's sort of a pointless exercise.

[Brutalis]

Timmy would foul out in the first ten minutes; it's been proven that he's incapable of playing by international rules. Besides, since he's played for the US team I don't think he's eligible to play for anyone else, even the USVI team.

The reason international teams are able compete with the US team is because they play like a team. Taking the marquee players and throwing them in together makes them an all-star, and doesn't make them better. Half the NBA teams could beat the US olympic team in a seven game series.

Bullshit. He CAN play by any rules. They fucking called every single thing on him. Hence his frustration and him stating he'll never play again.

[Brutalis]

And why is TD on that team, ... he is American.

[hater]

The point is that a good team of guys that play well together beats an all star team most of the time. Making an all-star international team turns it into team USA which is the problem. Everybody knows the US has the most talent right now, so it's sort of a pointless exercise.

:tu :tu

world allstars would be a team that does not play together. USA has been together longer so they would destroy them.

On the other hand I would not be surprised to see USA lose to a true team like Spain/Argentina/Lithuania

[STX_21]

http://media.www.yucommentator.com/media/storage/paper652/news/2003/09/09/Sports/Dream.Team.2003.Dream.Or.Nightmare-458869.shtml

The guy who wrote this article is mistaken. The Virgin Islands really isn't even a country. The Virgin Islands is more like a state...its techincally a territory of the United States, and before then, it belonged to Denmark. So Duncan's refusal was in playing against his hometown and not his COUNTRY. In the Virgin Islands our country is the USA. Its like Carlos Arroyo being selected to the US team (if he were ever good enough) and not wanting to play against Puerto Rico.

Im in STX and Duncan already gets a lot of heat here at home for talking like he's from texas. Had he played against the Virgin Islands, it would take a while for him to recover.

[hater]

The guy who wrote this article is mistaken. The Virgin Islands really isn't even a country. The Virgin Islands is more like a state...its techincally a territory of the United States, and before then, it belonged to Denmark.

in olympic terms, VI is a country:

List of participating nations:
...
Vanuatu VAN
Venezuela VEN
Vietnam VIE
Virgin Islands ISV
...

[whottt]

in olympic terms, VI is a country:

List of participating nations:
...
Vanuatu VAN
Venezuela VEN
Vietnam VIE
Virgin Islands ISV
...


and in Olympic terms Tim Duncan played for Team USA.


And furthermore:




Tim was a lock to make the VI swimming squad in the 50, 100 and 400 meters. What he really wanted was to make the U.S. team, for which Crucians are technically eligible.

Stop insulting Tim Duncan by saying he isn't an American...


Oh yeah and:



FIBA sucks


Stick that up your international asses and smoke it.

[whottt]

Timmy would foul out in the first ten minutes; it's been proven that he's incapable of playing by international rules. Besides, since he's played for the US team I don't think he's eligible to play for anyone else, even the USVI team.

The reason international teams are able compete with the US team is because they play like a team. Taking the marquee players and throwing them in together makes them an all-star, and doesn't make them better. Half the NBA teams could beat the US olympic team in a seven game series.



Uh no...those weren't even FIBA refs in the olympics. The reason Duncan fouled out is because they had incompetent scab B team refs, not their typical ones.

[Obstructed_View]

Bullshit. He CAN play by any rules. They fucking called every single thing on him. Hence his frustration and him stating he'll never play again.

Yeah, I was being ironical. I get called a whiner and a homer for pointing out the truth. Timmy also can't lead an international team because he's too good to stay in the olympic village and thinks he can just show up and beat people. If it has nothing to do with half the good players bailing at the last minute, the organizers bringing in guys based upon jersey sales, the inability to hit jumpers, or Carlos Boozer crowding the post with Duncan, allowing four people to foul him with impunity, then it most definitely has nothing to do with the fact that the officials just fucked him over for the entire summer.

[E20]

I have a hypothetical.

Get the West's best allstars and the East's best allstars and have them play against each other. Also there should be contests where they dunk adn stuff

Also if this turns into a thread about wheter or not Tim is american or someother shit..............................WGAF?

[TeamUSADynasty]

Tim is an AMERICAN!!!

Why? Because the USA is #1 all the way! USA! USA! FIBA Sucks!

[hater]

Stop insulting Tim Duncan by saying he isn't an American...


so now it's an insult not being an american?

ok hill billy

[JamStone]

Since many here are playing the "what if" game.... I figured I'd pose the following question (I know we've asked it on occasion around All-Star game time)....

Who would win a best out of 7 series between the current 2008 USA Olympic squad vs. a team comprised out of World All-Stars?

FIBA rules...
or
NBA rules...

Take your pick.... and explain your reasoning.

World Team (1st draft):
PG: Tony Parker/Steve Nash/José Calderón
SG: Manu Ginobili/Peja Stojakovic/D. Diamantidis
SF: Dirk Nowitzki/Andrei Kirilenko/Andres Nocioni/Rudy Fernandez
PF: Tim Duncan*/Pau Gasol/Luis Scola
C: Yao Ming/Samuel Dalembert/A. Bogut

Other world players: Boris Diaw, Raja Bell, Fabricio Oberto, Yi Jianlian?, Carlos Delfino, Sasha Vujacic, Linus Kleiza

Discuss.

You got something against Turkey?

[lefty]

World all-stars win

[Phenomanul]

You got something against Turkey?

No, I also forgot the Brazillians.

[Phenomanul]

Updated list.

World Team:
PG: Tony Parker/Steve Nash/José Calderón
SG: Manu Ginobili/Peja Stojakovic/D. Diamantidis
SF: Dirk Nowitzki/Hedo Turkoglu/Andres Nocioni
PF: Pau Gasol/Luis Scola/Andrei Kirilenko
C: Yao Ming/Samuel Dalembert/A. Bogut

Other world players (in no particular order): Nene, Leandro Barbosa, Rudy Fernandez, Papaloukas?, Boris Diaw, Tiago Splitter, Raja Bell, Fabricio Oberto, Yi Jianlian, Carlos Delfino, Sasha Vujacic, Linus Kleiza, Michael Pietrus, Sarunas Jasikevicius, Macijauskas?, and.....
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Vasileios Spanoulis

[urunobili]

Updated list.

World Team:
PG: Tony Parker/Steve Nash/José Calderón
SG: Manu Ginobili/Peja Stojakovic/D. Diamantidis
SF: Dirk Nowitzki/Hedo Turkoglu/Andres Nocioni
PF: Pau Gasol/Luis Scola/Andrei Kirilenko
C: Yao Ming/Samuel Dalembert/A. Bogut

Other world players (in no particular order): Nene, Leandro Barbosa, Rudy Fernandez, Papaloukas?, Boris Diaw, Tiago Splitter, Raja Bell, Fabricio Oberto, Yi Jianlian, Carlos Delfino, Sasha Vujacic, Linus Kleiza, Michael Pietrus, Sarunas Jasikevicius, Macijauskas?, and.....
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Vasileios Spanoulis
Varejao?

[Phenomanul]

Updated list.

World Team:
PG: Tony Parker/Steve Nash/José Calderón
SG: Manu Ginobili/Peja Stojakovic/D. Diamantidis
SF: Dirk Nowitzki/Hedo Turkoglu/Andres Nocioni
PF: Pau Gasol/Luis Scola/Andrei Kirilenko
C: Yao Ming/Samuel Dalembert/A. Bogut

Other world players (in no particular order): Nene, Leandro Barbosa, Mehmet Okur, Rudy Fernandez, Anderson Varejao, Papaloukas?, Boris Diaw, Tiago Splitter, Raja Bell, Fabricio Oberto, Yi Jianlian, Carlos Delfino, Sasha Vujacic, Linus Kleiza, Michael Pietrus, Sarunas Jasikevicius, Macijauskas?, and.....
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Vasileios Spanoulis


Fixed.