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BacktoBasics
08-14-2008, 12:57 PM
In my opinion this is it. What everyone's been looking for. Sure it could be a UFO but more importantly I'm willing to bet that our own government builds and test technology thats beyond any shred of comprehension to everyday man. I'm not totally ruling out alien visitation but this leans heavily to the fact that this kind of shit is homegrown even though the article in no way shape or form slants the story that way. That radar data has been made public and has been confirmed so we're beyond the speculation aspect of things.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/FAA-Release-of-Radar-Data--by-Michael-Salla-080718-180.html



Significant support for the testimony of multiple witnesses of a UFO seen near Stephenville Texas on January 8, 2008 came in the form of radar data recently released by the Federal Aviation Authority (FAA). Responding to a series of Freedom of Information requests by the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON), the FAA supplied 2.8 million radar returns from five sites covering the area where the UFO was sighted. A report by MUFON titled, “Special Research Report, Stephenville, Texas,” provided a detailed analysis of raw data released by the FAA. The authors of the MUFON Stephenville Report, Glen Schulze and Robert Powell, stated: “data was obtained that indicates unidentified aircraft without transponder beacons which were not military jets, were found in the same compass direction and time frame as cited by the witnesses (Stephenville Report, p. 5).”

The radar returns supported witness testimonies that the object was at times stationary and also able to accelerate at tremendous speeds. Schulze and Powell claimed that some of the radar data confirmed that the object reached speeds up to 2100 mph. This was done without creating a sonic boom. They note:


Much more important than the possible sudden acceleration shown by the object is its trajectory heading. This object was traveling to the southeast on a direct course towards the Crawford Ranch, also known as President Bush's western White House. The last time the object was seen on radar at 8:00pm, it was continuing on a direct path to Crawford Ranch and was only 10 miles away (Stephenville Report, p. 7).

Schulze and Powell also revealed the extent of military activity in the area using log books and radar returns from Carswell Air Force Base, and were able to distinguish these from the sighted UFO. The radar returns confirmed witness testimonies of significant military aerial activity in relation to the UFO despite initial denials by military authorities. Schulze and Powell further examined the data in terms of witness testimonies of the UFO being chased by jets at a very low altitude. They concluded:

The Selden witnesses also indicated that the unknown object returned and was being chased by jets at very low altitude. These chase jets do not show up on radar. If their altitude was below 2000 feet, as described by the witnesses, then they would have been too low to be detected by the nearest FAA radar (Stephenville Report, p. 7).

In what appears to be a notable national security lapse, they continue:

During this entire episode of over an hour, there is no indication that any of the military jets reacted to this unknown aircraft, that was without a required transponder, and that was headed directly to the Western White House.

Two questions arise here. First, why would military authorities would allow a UFO to get so close to the Crawford Ranch? Second, why would the FAA allow radar data to be released that confirm an apparent national security breach at the “Western White House” involving a UFO? Answers to these questions may be found by first examining past FAA policy on releasing UFO information, and the role of senior national security officials in dictating this policy to senior FAA officials.

Earlier FAA policy concerning UFOs appear to have two elements. One was to deny witness or pilot sightings of UFOs regardless of the credibility and/or number of witnesses. The second was to remove any radar evidence that could confirm witness testimonies of UFOs. These elements of what appears to be a long standing policy of the FAA regarding UFOs is exemplified in two well documented cases.

The first concerns the 2006 multiple witness sighting of a UFO over O’Hare International Airport. In a comprehensive report of the O’Hare incident titled: “Report of an Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon and its Safety Implications at O’Hare International Airport on November 7, 2006,” by Dr Richard Haines, he notes:

According to the FAA nothing was detected by radar at this location or time of day or seen by air traffic controllers from the main tower. An examination of primary radar data supplied by the FAA confirmed the first claim. Nevertheless, an FAA inbound ground controller remarked about the “UFO” (UAP) … long before the object had departed. (O’Hare Report, p. 5).

Furthermore, Haines reported on the result of FOIA requests for tower logs and communications that: “clearly showed (1) three separate telephone inquiries from the United ramp tower (and management) concerning the UAP [UFO] and (2) a written notation of one of these calls in the FAA’s tower’s Daily Record of Facility Operations (O’Hare Report, p. 19). More incriminating was a series of interviews with United Airline employees by a journalist for the Chicago Tribune, Jon Hilkevitch, wherein it was alleged that they were “told to not talk about what they saw to anyone” (http://tinyurl.com/y7tv88). Was the management of United Airlines muzzling its employees because of FAA pressure, and was the FAA muzzling its own employees? Regardless of the answers to these questions, the FAA’s policy seemed to be one of dismissing testimonies of a UFO at O’Hare international airport regardless of witness reliability and quantity.

The second documented case involves a former section chief for the FAA, John Callahan, who revealed what occurred to radar and other evidence of a UFO witnessed in the vicinity of a Japanese Airline 747 flying over Alaska in 1986. After the event, Callahan requested all the data to be transferred first to Atlantic City for initial analysis by him and his team, and then to Washington D.C. for a personal viewing by the FAA Administrator, Vice Admiral Donald Engen. He subsequently describes what happened after Admiral Engen saw the data:

Well a few minutes later the Admiral calls down and says, I have set up a briefing tomorrow morning at 9:00 am in the round room. Bring all the stuff you have Bring everybody up there and give them whatever they want… They [a group of national security officials] brought in three people from the FBI, three people from the CIA, and three people from Reagan’s Scientific Study team – I don’t know who the rest of people were but they were all excited. When they got done, they actually swore all these other guys in there that this never took place. We never had this meeting. And this was never recorded. http://preview.tinyurl.com/6g7nxu

Callahan went on to disclose in his public testimony how the data was confiscated by the national security team from the Reagan administration who were concerned about public reaction to the reality of UFOs. Callahan further described how he was able to hold on to a duplicate set of data in his office which he revealed at a May 2001 National Press Club Conference. Callahan believed that the FAA was complicit in a cover up of what the radar evidence clearly showed was a UFO that backed pilot and passenger testimonies of a UFO following a Japanese 747.

link to the rest of the article above. I really wanted to make this longer

I'll share of my thoughts once this thread hits 9 pages.

DarkReign
08-14-2008, 10:19 PM
9 hours and 18 minutes later...

Ed Helicopter Jones
08-14-2008, 10:31 PM
9 hours and 18 minutes later...

Maybe it just needs a little jumpstart......






God is real.








All pitbulls should be shot.









THAT should get the ball rolling.

LocosPorJuana
08-14-2008, 10:35 PM
I want to believe!

Trust no one!

The truth is out there! =)

T Park
08-14-2008, 10:42 PM
eh am i the only one thinking our hopes still ride with will smith and jeff goldbloom? i mean, goldy is gettin old....

IceColdBrewski
08-14-2008, 11:13 PM
I've long believed that most of these sightings are of man made craft from government black projects. They were already experimenting with stealth technology back in the 70's. Who's to say they haven't created something that can now fly 2000mph and change directions on a dime?

It's definitely a lot more believeable than alien spacecraft. Especially ones that involve lights, which they usually do. I mean, with the intelligence to travel solar systems, galaxies.... why the hell would they need outer lights? To make sure they don't bump into one another?

Brutalis
08-15-2008, 12:53 AM
They exist. Yes there's a cover up. No we will never find out.

Yawn. Next.

travis2
08-15-2008, 06:31 AM
The "other side"...

Mr. Salla,

As you well know, my organization NARCAP (which authored the OHare report you mention), has been directly involved with the topic of unidentified aerial phenomena, UAP, and US Aviation. We have a far different opinion and experience with this subject than the purely unsubstantiated and speculative spin and rumor-mongering that you are engaging in. Clearly you have no experience with the FAA and UFO matters.

There has been no shift in policy regarding UAP reports and the FAA. The FAA simply complied with the FOIA requests made by MUFON regarding the Stephensville matter. Standard operating procedure, nothing more. We have seen nothing but business as usual with the FAA for many years. I will elaborate later in this comment.

Further, In the nine years that NARCAP has been working on the issue of UAP and US Aviation we have never been refused a request for radar data and that includes some cases that one might suspect were more sensative than others.

FAA provision of radar data does not occur with some ceremonial anointing as they pass over the radar tapes while nodding "yep, there's a ufo on that there tape". Most radar data requested through FOIA is provided as encrypted hardcopy. It can take weeks to sort out the data by hand using a calculator and algorithms to plot the return on graph paper.and reconstruct a few minutes of radar activity. If you want actual radar video it costs $150,000 and there is no assurance that you will get it. So the FAA didn't do anyone any favors with this regardless of your take on it.

To be sure, there is bias in the system. I wrote a 30page paper on it, but I have seen no evidence that the FAA has any kind of plan in place to deal with UAP reports. Period.

If the FAA is so draconion with respect to UAP reports then why, in 1978, did it relax CIRVIS and instruct pilot and controller staff to report UAP to various public reporting centers? The order in the ARTCC facilites manual is plain enough. It says that reporters can contact various UFO reporting databases like NIDS or NUFORC. If the reporter thinks it is a threat they are to call the police. This has been a standing rule since the late 1970's. So there isn't a relaxing of any policy. There is no policy. Geez, I would have thought that a scholar like you would have noticed that...

Your speculations about what the FAA does with UFO reports and why is shallow and lacking a fundamental understanding about the system and the problem. Our work inside the system tells a far different story and involves many dedicated FAA staff who have offered assistance and access. Heck, when the FAA ASRS team publicly supported our effort on television the Chief of the Aviation Safety Program Office at NASA Ames research center kept the video in his office and invited all staff to watch and ask any questions.

Further, our team briefed the FAA ASRS group regarding UAP and data collection in their bunker at Batelle many years ago and were very well recieved by Linda C and her staff. In fact, they refer UAP cases to us. So whatever "new open-ness policy" you are referring to obviously isn't taking this into account.

How is it that you can speak so authoritatively yet know so little about what is actually going on? Clearly you do very little research into your articles. You certainly never contacted us regarding our experiences in this regard though you are very aware of our work and even cite the NARCAP OHare report, that I co-authored with Dr. Haines. Yet you don't even have the integrity to get the facts before spreading your rumors to the four corners..

I won't give you any more details since you are already quite the rumor monger but I will tell you that your opinion on the FAA and UFO doesn't hold water when compared with the experience of those of us who are actually working on the problem.... of course, why would you bother asking any of us with experience when you can so simply pontificate by decree??

The unusual nature of the Stephensville/Crawford radar return, as any radar tech knows, can be explained by a common fault in radar detection. Our folks have looked this over and are satisfied that is the explanation for the shift in the track. The actual track proceeded at 49mph towards the Crawford ranch but the data set requested ran out so we have no idea what that return did. It was likely a helicopter and it may have been related to ranch security and was not documented as a violation of restricted airspace.

The United and FAA response to the inquiries regarding the OHare matter was greatly complicated by the media blitz, fueled primarily by Peter Davenport and John Hilkevitch, that resulted in an onslaught on the ARTCC and the United hub that was simply overwhelming. The primary purpose of the facility is to maintain integrity of the safety system and the deluge of self appointed ufo chasers, media, etc was as big a threat to aviation safety as the object itself. We were given access to many individuals who simply did not want to be associated with a final report on the matter. Some claimed that they had been told not to speak about it but that may have been more about keeping the staff on task while the circus raged around them then obfuscating the matter for some more mysterious purpose.

If the FAA had some kind of policy regarding UFOs then why did it send Callahan to retrieve the JAL materials only to find the CIA collecting them? Callahan had no agenda other than to investigate and report. If the FAA had another hidden agenda we would have a far different story. Think I will call him and ask him about this....wonder why you didn't bother to ask him yourself.

In 1995 Lufthansa 405 and Ameriwest 564 both had UAP encounters that resulted in recorded conversations with NORAD controllers who confirmed the presence of uncorrlated primaries that could be related to the pilot observations. So, by your logic, the commentary by NORAD operators heralded a new open-ness by NORAD to discuss matters UFO.

And when the Cessna 208 crashed outside of Mobile and the NTSB stated that the crash involed a UFO did that herald a new open-ness policy regarding UFO by the NTSB? Of course not, they retracted the report.

When NARCAP provided support to the Committee on Gov Reform subcommittees as they interrogated the USAF regarding UAP and uncorreltated penetrations into USADZs, did the invitation herald a new policy of open-ness on the part of the DHS? Hell no. The majority of the meetings were classified....you probably didn't even know that they happened....

Mr. Salla, your understanding of the factors at work in the US aviation system surrounding this topic is rudimentary at best. You might be better served by remaining focused on selling your $2600 Galactic Diplomacy certification programs and dolphin swims that you claim are so "indispensible" to communicating with the many species of extraterrestrials that you claim are coming to Earth.....



Ted Roe

Executive Director

NARCAP.org

lefty
08-15-2008, 07:35 AM
www.ufoevidence.org

BacktoBasics
08-15-2008, 08:27 AM
awesome read travis

MajorMike
08-15-2008, 09:51 AM
I have an idea, why don't you throw in another dozen or so abbreviations so even less people will know what the hell you are saying?

DarkReign
08-16-2008, 12:58 PM
I have an idea, why don't you throw in another dozen or so abbreviations so even less people will know what the hell you are saying?

:lmao

Wild Cobra
08-16-2008, 02:46 PM
It was absolutely, positively a UFO!\
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Unidentified Flying Object.
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They didn't know it's identity, right?


But...

Was it extraterrestrial?

Very unlikely.