The George W. Bush thread.

[ThunderStix®]

Do not reply to this thread. I didn't mean to offend anyone.

Please delete this thread Kori.

[balli]

Fuck you, fuck your gay ass little pro-Bush thread and fuck George Bush himself. He's the biggest piece of shit in the history of the United States. If you're still supporting him, you are too. Fucking scumbag.

[ThunderStix®]

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[balli]

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During a prime time press conference on April 13, President Bush was asked to name a mistake that he has made since taking office and what he has learned from it. Bush, who was unable to answer the question, admitted "maybe I'm not as quick on my feet as I should be in coming up with [a mistake]." But weeks later, Bush still hasn't answered the question. In the interest of assisting the President with this surprisingly difficult task we've compiled this list of 100 mistakes he has made since taking office:

1. Failing to build a real international coalition prior to the Iraq invasion, forcing the US to shoulder the full cost and consequences of the war.

2. Approving the demobilization of the Iraqi Army in May, 2003 – bypassing the Joint Chiefs of Staff and reversing an earlier position, the President left hundreds of thousands of armed Iraqis disgruntled and unemployed, contributing significantly to the massive security problems American troops have faced during occupation.

3. Not equipping troops in Iraq with adequate body armor or armored HUMVEES.

4. Ignoring the advice Gen. Eric Shinseki regarding the need for more troops in Iraq – now Bush is belatedly adding troops, having allowed the security situation to deteriorate in exactly the way Shinseki said it would if there were not enough troops.

5. Ignoring plans drawn up by the Army War College and other war-planning agencies, which predicted most of the worst security and infrastructure problems America faced in the early days of the Iraq occupation.

6. Making a case for war which ignored intelligence that there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq.

7. Deriding "nation-building" during the 2000 debates, then engaging American troops in one of the most explicit instances of nation building in American history.

8. Predicting along with others in his administration that US troops would be greeted as liberators in Iraq.

9. Predicting Iraq would pay for its own reconstruction.

10. Wildly underestimating the cost of the war.

11. Trusting Ahmed Chalabi, who has dismissed faulty intelligence he provided the President as necessary for getting the Americans to topple Saddam.

12. Disbanding the Sunni Baathist managers responsible for Iraq's water, electricity, sewer system and all the other critical parts of that country's infrastructure.

13. Failing to give UN weapons inspectors enough time to certify if weapons existed in Iraq.

14. Including discredited intelligence concerning Nigerian Yellow Cake in his 2003 State of the Union.

15. Announcing that "major combat operations in Iraq have ended" aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln on May 1, 2003, below a "Mission Accomplished" banner – more U.S. soldiers have died in combat since Bush's announcement than before it.

16. Awarding a multi-billion dollar contract to Halliburton in Iraq, which then repeatedly overcharged the government and served troops dirty food.

17. Refusing to cede any control of Post-invasion Iraq to the international community, meaning reconstruction has received limited aid from European allies or the U.N.

18. Failing to convince NATO allies why invading Iraq was important.

19. Having no real plan for the occupation of Iraq.

20. Limiting bidding on Iraq construction projects to "coalition partners," unnecessarily alienating important allies France, Germany and Russia.

21. Diverting $700 million into Iraq invasion planning without informing Congress.

22. Shutting down an Iraqi newspaper for "inciting violence" – the move, which led in short order to street fighting in Fallujah, incited more violence than the newspaper ever had.

23. Telling Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan about plans to go to war with Iraq before Secretary of State Colin Powell.

24. Allowing several members of the Bin Laden family to leave the country just days after 9/11, some of them without being questioned by the FBI.

25. Focusing on missile defense at the expense of counterterrorism prior to 9/11.

26. Thinking al Qaeda could not attack without state sponsors, and ignoring evidence of a growing threat unassociated with "rogue states" like Iraq or North Korea.

27. Threatening to veto the Homeland Security department – The President now concedes such a department "provides the ability for our agencies to coordinate better and to work together better than it was before."

28. Opposing the creation of the September 11th commission, which the President now expects "to contain important recommendations for preventing future attacks."

29. Denying documents to the 9/11 commission, only relenting after the commissioners threatened a subpoena.

30. Failing to pay more attention to an August 6, 2001 PDB entitled "Bin laden Determined to Attack in U.S."

31. Repeatedly ignoring warnings of terrorists planning to use aircraft before 9/11.

32. Appointing the ultra-secretive Henry Kissinger to head the 9/11 commission – Kissinger stepped down weeks later due to conflicts of interest.

33. Asking for testimony before the 9/11 commission be limited to one hour, a position from which the president later backtracked.

34. Not allowing national Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice to testify before the 9/11 commission – Bush changed his mind as pressure mounted.

35. Cutting an FBI request for counterterrorism funds by two-thirds after 9/11.

36. Telling Americans there was a link between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda.

37. Failing to adequately secure the nation's nuclear weapons labs.

38. Not feeling a sense of urgency about terrorism or al Qaeda before 9/11.

39. Reducing resources and troop levels in Afghanistan and out before it was fully secure.

40. Not providing security in Afghanistan outside of Kabul, leaving nearly 80% of the Afghan population unprotected in areas controlled by Feudal warlords and local militias.

41. Committing inadequate resources for the reconstruction of Afghanistan.

42. Counting too heavily on locally trained troops to fill the void in Afghanistan once U.S. forces were relocated to Iraq.

43. Not committing US ground troops to the capture of Osama Bin Laden, when he was cornered in the Tora Bora region of Afghanistan in November, 2001.

44. Allowing opium production to resume on a massive scale after the ouster of the Taliban.

45. Opposing an independent inquiry into the intelligence failures surrounding WMD – later, upon signing off on just such a commission, Bush claimed he was "determined to make sure that American intelligence is as accurate as possible for every challenge in the future."

46. Saying: "We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories."

47. Trusting intelligence gathered by Vice President Cheney's and Secretary Rumsfeld's "Office of Special Plans."

48. Spending $6.5 billion on nuclear weapons this year to develop new nuclear weapons this year – 50% more in real dollars than the average during the cold war – while shortchanging the troops on body armor.

49. Ignoring the importance of the Middle East peace process, which has deteriorated with little oversight or strategy evident in the region.

50. Siding with China in February, 2004 against a democratic referenda proposed by Taiwan, a notable shift from an earlier pledge to stand with "oppressed peoples until the day of their freedom finally arrives."

51. Undermining the War on Terrorism by preemptively invading Iraq.

52. Failing to develop a specific plan for dealing with North Korea.

53. Abandoning the United States' traditional role as an evenhanded negotiator in the Middle East peace process.

54. Signing a report endorsing outsourcing with thousands of American workers having their jobs shipped overseas.

55. Instituting steel tariffs deemed illegal by the World Trade Organization – Bush repealed them 20-months later when the European Union pledged to impose retaliatory sanctions on up to $2.2 billion in exports from the United States.

56. Promoting economic policies that failed to create new jobs.

57. Promoting economic policies that failed to help small businesses

58. Pledging a "jobs and growth" package would create 1,836,000 new jobs by the end of 2003 and 5.5 million new jobs by 2004—so far the president has fallen 1,615,000 jobs short of the mark.

59. Running up a foreign deficit of "such record-breaking proportions that it threatens the financial stability of the global economy."

60. Issuing inaccurate budget forecasts accompanying proposals to reduce the deficit, omitting the continued costs of Iraq, Afghanistan and elements of Homeland Security.

61. Claiming his 2003 tax cut would give 23 million small business owners an average tax cut of $2,042 when "nearly four out of every five tax filers (79%) with small business income would receive less" than that amount.

62. Passing tax cuts for the wealthy while falsely claiming "people in the 10 percent bracket" were benefiting most."

63. Passing successive tax cuts largely responsible for turning a projected surplus of $5 trillion into a projected deficit of $4.3 trillion.

64. Moving to strip millions of overtime pay.

65. Not enforcing corporate tax laws.

66. Backing down from a plan to make CEOs more accountable when "the corporate crowd" protested.

67. Not lobbying oil cartels to change their mind about cutting oil production.

68. Passing tax cuts weighted heavily to help the wealthy.

69. Moving to allow greater media consolidation.

70. Nominating a notorious proponent of outsourcing, Anthony F. Raimondo, to be the new manufacturing Czar—Raimondo withdrew his name days later amidst a flurry of harsh criticism.

71. Ignoring calls to extend unemployment benefits with long-term unemployment reaching a twenty-year high

72. Threatening to veto pension legislation that would give companies much needed temporary relief.

73. Under-funding No Child Left Behind

74. Breaking his campaign pledge to increase the size of Pell grants.

75. Signing off on an FY 2005 budget proposing the smallest increase in education funding in nine years.

76. Under-funding the Title I Program, specifically targeted for disadvantaged kids, by $7.2 billion.

77. Freezing Teacher Quality State Grants, cutting off training opportunities for about 30,000 teachers, and leaving 92,000 less

teachers trained than the president called for in his own No Child Left Behind bill.

78. Freezing funding for English language training programs.

79. Freezing funding for after school programs, potentially eliminating 50,000 children from after-school programs.

80. Not leveling with Americans about the cost of Medicare – the president told Congress his new Medicare bill would cost $400 billion over ten years despite conclusions by his own analysts the bill would cost upwards of $500 billion over that period.

81. Silencing Medicare actuary Richard Foster when his estimates for the Administration's Medicare bill were too high.

82. Letting business associate David Halbert, who owns a company which stands to make millions from new discount drug cards, craft key elements of the new Medicare bill.

83. Underfunding health care for troops and veterans.

84. Allowing loopholes to persist in Mad-Cow regulations.

85. Relaxing food labeling restrictions on health claims.

86. Falsely claiming the restrictions on stem cell research would not hamper medical progress.

87. Reducing action against improper drug advertising by 80 percent.

88. Abandoning the Kyoto Treaty without offering an alternative for reducing greenhouse effect.

89. Counting on a voluntary program to reduce emissions of harmful gasses—so far only a tiny fraction of American companies have signed up.

90. Gutting clean air standards for aging power plants.

91. Weakening energy efficiency standards.

92. Relaxing dumping standards for mountaintop mining, and opening the Florida Everglades and Oregon's Siskiyou National Forest to mining.

93. Lifting protection for more than 200 million acres of public land.

94. Limiting public challenges to logging projects and increased logging in protected areas, including Alaska's Tongass National Forest.

95. Weakening environmental standards for snowmobiles and other off-road vehicles while pushing for exemptions for air pollution proposals for five categories of industrial facilities.

96. Opposing legislation that would require greater fuel efficiency for passenger cars.

97. Reducing inspections, penalties for violations, and prosecution of environmental crimes.

98. Misleading the public about the Washington mad cow case and the likely effectiveness of USDA's weak testing program.

99. Withdrawing public information on chemical plant dangers, previously used to hold facilities accountable for safety improvements.

100. Cutting grants to state and local governments in FY 2005, forcing states to make massive cuts in job training, education, housing and environment.


Fuck you thunder dick. You and your ilk don't deserve to live and I'd gladly trade all the dead iraqi citizens for your lives in a heartbeat. It can't be done, but in any case, you're a miserable and shitty excuse for human being and I wish the absolute worst for you.

[balli]

How are you happy with all this blood on your soul? I hope you rot the hottest part of hell, you fucking piece of shit.
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[ThunderStix®]

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[DarkReign]

...you really are new Thunderstix...



Please, nothing negetive. This is supposed to be a pro-Bush thread.

:lmao

Welcome to the political forum, noob.

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[Kori Ellis]

Fuck you, fuck your gay ass little pro-Bush thread and fuck George Bush himself. He's the biggest piece of shit in the history of the United States. If you're still supporting him, you are too. Fucking scumbag.

Really, there's no need for this. You can disagree without just spewing obscenities. Try to have a constructive argument.

And to the original poster, you are never going to be able to start a "pro" Bush thread and have people stay out of it.

[ThunderStix®]

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[ChumpDumper]

Why don't you be a moderator for once?

[ThunderStix®]

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[ChumpDumper]

So that poll button is your free speech zone.

[ThunderStix®]

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[ThunderStix®]

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[ChumpDumper]

Too fucking bad.

Bush has been a disaster as president.

[Kori Ellis]

Why don't you be a moderator for once?

Because I've already done that once today. And that's about all the moderating I can muster. :lol

[balli]

Fuck you, you fucking murderer- http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqwarpix.html
I'm not interested in having a "resonable" discussion with a proud to be a baby killer, piece of shit ideologue like yourself.

[ChumpDumper]

Because I've already done that once today. And that's about all the moderating I can muster. :lol
Fair enough, but there is only one hour left in the day.

[2centsworth]

won't be able to respond for a week, but this is what I'll leave you with.

GWB has been a roaring success militarily. There hasn't been another attack in the states since GWB let the rest of the world, especially the middle-east, that we will kick their ass if something like that ever happens again. We instilled fear and that's good.

Fiscally the guy has been an absolute disaster. Budget deficits, bigger government, and one of the most irresponsible piece of legislation ever, Medicare part D.

[2centsworth]

Fuck you, you fucking murderer- http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqwarpix.html
I'm not interested in having a "resonable" discussion with a proud to be a baby killer, piece of shit ideologue like yourself.

we would still be part of the british empire with that logic.

[ThunderStix®]

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[ChumpDumper]

Yes, it was brilliant of Bush to focus on Islamic fundamentalist terrorism after 9/11.

[baseline bum]

Why did Cheney have to stop having heart attacks?

[ThunderStix®]

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[ThunderStix®]

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[ChumpDumper]

That's still better than nothing.Actually nothing is what he did before 9/11.


No one else did anything to stop it before him.Sure they did, and rest assured -- before 9/11, Bush did less.

[ThunderStix®]

I'm done with this thread. I made a mistake in starting it, you should delete this Kori.

I'm sorry if I made anyone angry. Please go on with your business now.

[Nbadan]

It's not like the Bush resentment hasn't been building for some time....used to be a guy would get bashed for posting many of the things posted about Dubya in this thread, now it's just status quo...this forum was constructed to help people release their frustrations about the sad shape of the U.S. political system instead of laying it on politically apathetic people like their friends, their families, or their co-workers....but it's time for Dubya haters to do something about it.....work to get him and Cheney impeached....donate to the Obama camp and stop Dubya from having a third term with McCain...the point is ...do something constructive with all that negative energy instead of just sitting back and taking it...there's a lot of people who still care about this country...

[Anti.Hero]

Damn Ballijuana! Deep breathes my man!

[balli]

Yeah man, I know, I'm too angry politically and I should have just stayed out of this thread.

It just amazes me that somebody could still be so gung-ho for Bush. It's one thing to have gotten fooled into voting for the man, but in 2008, after all the damage he's caused, I find it sickening that a person could still be so proud and happy with the Bush presidency. Y'Know a "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me," kind of a thing.

Or as that fucking idiot, war-criminal would say:

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All I know is that I'm very, very angry about it and maybe that just means I shouldn't post, but I did and quite frankly, my prose didn't even begin to describe how much hate and anger I have for neo-conservatism and its ideolgue adherents. I have no regrets- Fuck Bush Supporters.

[sabar]

Fuck you, fuck your gay ass little pro-Bush thread and fuck George Bush himself. He's the biggest piece of shit in the history of the United States. If you're still supporting him, you are too. Fucking scumbag.

I think you missed the link to the troll forum.

It's not healthy to be so angry you know. Life is way too short to be up in arms over something like politics. We're all gonna die and the world is miserable enough without people spouting off this trash talk.

Man the offseason is way too long.

[johnsmith]

This topic could be about cheesecake for all I care. Bush was a shitty Pres in my opinion, but




Ballijuana, you come off as a fucking douche bag.

[Ya Vez]

I can tell some are not students of history... all US presidents have had their bad policies and bad decisions... even kennedy had his bay of pigs... and escalated the Vietnam police action...........

[Extra Stout]

ballijuana = Unabomber-in-training

[RandomGuy]

I seriously can't imagine how anybody could still support Bush in anything.

As a Democrat though, I must thank the Republican party for picking a guy who is arguably the most incompetant president in US history. It is making our job of painting Republicans as incompetant in general much easier. :toast

[Ignignokt]

I seriously can't imagine how anybody could still support Bush in anything.

As a Democrat though, I must thank the Republican party for picking a guy who is arguably the most incompetant president in US history. It is making our job of painting Republicans as incompetant in general much easier. :toast

then one snowy christmas eve Liberals came to say... Obama with your halo so bright, will you accept the nomination tonight..

[baseline bum]

I seriously can't imagine how anybody could still support Bush in anything.

As a Democrat though, I must thank the Republican party for picking a guy who is arguably the most incompetant president in US history. It is making our job of painting Republicans as incompetant in general much easier. :toast

Democrats suck then, as they had the same opportunity in 2004.

[Trainwreck2100]

I seriously can't imagine how anybody could still support Bush in anything.

As a Democrat though, I must thank the Republican party for picking a guy who is arguably the most incompetant president in US history. It is making our job of painting Republicans as incompetant in general much easier. :toast


you know what else would help the Democrats

STOP NOMINATING SHITTY CANDIDATES!!!!!!!!

Also irony points for misspelling incompetent.

[RandomGuy]

you know what else would help the Democrats

STOP NOMINATING SHITTY CANDIDATES!!!!!!!!

Also irony points for misspelling incompetent.

I would agree. Kerry was a shitty candidate.

As for the irony: good catch.

[cheguevara]

I agree that democrats have been looking dumber of the 2. I mean, you can't get a better option to Bush??? fail.

[Ya Vez]

I mean even democrats had their jimmy carter.. who still ranks lower the than W..

[xrayzebra]

Fuck you, fuck your gay ass little pro-Bush thread and fuck George Bush himself. He's the biggest piece of shit in the history of the United States. If you're still supporting him, you are too. Fucking scumbag.

Damn I know who ballijuana is. He is dan's son. Post to himself.
Little doper is a lot like old boutons too. Speaks profane pretty good, but in a childish manner. :lmao

[Wild Cobra]

Fuck you, you fucking murderer- http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqwarpix.html
I'm not interested in having a "resonable" discussion with a proud to be a baby killer, piece of shit ideologue like yourself.

If it were up to me, I would ban people like you who can do nothing constructive, and only spew vial hatred towards others. How can someone with such bad kharma live a good life? I'll bet your life stinks!

[Wild Cobra]

I seriously can't imagine how anybody could still support Bush in anything.

As a Democrat though, I must thank the Republican party for picking a guy who is arguably the most incompetant president in US history. It is making our job of painting Republicans as incompetant in general much easier. :toast

There are severl things I dislike about president Bush. However, he has been a good president overall for the situations he has dealt with over these last 7 years.

So, you let his speach problems color your judgement of his competance? Nobody is perfect, and he has maintained his values and principles. Can't you respect him for that?

[Wild Cobra]

Fuck Bush Supporters.

I see you're having homosexual fantasies.

Your hatred is rather telling of your charactor. I say we don't need people like you in society. I'm pro-life, but it wouldn't bother me if people like you were retroactively aborted.

[mavs>spurs2]

i'm with ballijuana, bush supporters should be shot dead for the good of humanity..

how anyone can be this fucking stupid is incomprehensible

[penishead]

give the guy some credit, at least the economy is looking great :rolleyes

[Ignignokt]

i'm with ballijuana, bush supporters should be shot dead for the good of humanity..

how anyone can be this fucking stupid is incomprehensible

whats keeping you from doing it?

Or are you coward?

[Anti.Hero]

give the guy some credit, at least the economy is looking great :rolleyes

If you don't rely on the government and others to solve your problems, it's been a pretty damn good 8 years. :toast


Sure the reps have a lot of suckage right now, but what's the alternative? HA!

[mavs>spurs2]

whats keeping you from doing it?

Or are you coward?

:lol I can't be trolled.

[Ignignokt]

:lol I can't be trolled.

like you can't troll downs people.

[mavs>spurs2]

like you can't troll downs people.

speak in complete sentences son

[Ignignokt]

speak in complete sentences son


why do you hate using periods?

[GaryJohnston]

Fuck you, you fucking murderer- http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqwarpix.html
I'm not interested in having a "resonable" discussion with a proud to be a baby killer, piece of shit ideologue like yourself.

PMS much?

[mavs>spurs2]

PMS much?

says the fucknut who voted for bush

[mavs>spurs2]

GaryJohnston, ThunderStix®, Wild Cobra, xrayzebra im calling you all out you imbeciles

do you like rising cost of living?

increasingly faster growing national debt?

americans losing their lives for a lost cause?

elaborate what it is about Bush that you "support"

[dg7md]

Mavs>Spurs... you can't possibly believe Bush supporters will show actual signs of rationality. It's just not something they can do.

[baseline bum]

I don't see how anyone can like Bush. The left should hate him for being a puppet of the oilcos, and the right should hate him for his massive spending and ruining our dollar with all the borrowing from China. Bush is a god figure to Neocons though.

[2centsworth]

I don't see how anyone can like Bush. The left should hate him for being a puppet of the oilcos, and the right should hate him for his massive spending and ruining our dollar with all the borrowing from China. Bush is a god figure to Neocons though.

give him credit for preventing another major terrorist attack in the US when most people thought it was inevitable.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes, give him credit for implementing after 9/11 all the anti-terror policies that were recommended to him months before 9/11.

Brilliant.

[Oh, Gee!!]

give him credit for preventing another major terrorist attack in the US when most people thought it was inevitable.

People may have speculated or assumed another attack was coming, but nobody knew what was going to happen after 9-11.

[DarkReign]

It's not like the Bush resentment hasn't been building for some time....used to be a guy would get bashed for posting many of the things posted about Dubya in this thread, now it's just status quo...

True.



this forum was constructed to help people release their frustrations about the sad shape of the U.S. political system instead of laying it on politically apathetic people like their friends, their families, or their co-workers....

Also very true. At least, thats why I post here. I came to ST when the Pistons played the Spurs. But the political forum is the only reason Im still here.

...because the Pistons as a team are so incredibly unlikeable these days....


but it's time for Dubya haters to do something about it.....work to get him and Cheney impeached....donate to the Obama camp and stop Dubya from having a third term with McCain...the point is ...do something constructive with all that negative energy instead of just sitting back and taking it

Dont do any of those things. Worthless, back-biting, poltically charged rhetoric all in the name of meaningless finger pointing with no real intention of true results.


...there's a lot of people who still care about this country...

:lmao Yeah, right. People pay no mind beyond lip service. Too busy...you know, working and shit. Raising a family. Being a human.

Most just want to be left alone, the problem comes from the way we busy ourselves with the mundane contructs that define civilization and knowing no better way to do things. The need for currency, our basis of existence, our reason for getting up at 5am, our reason for missing our family reunion, our greatest accomplishments and our single greatest sins....all for the flimsy value of printed paper backed by nothing more than ore churned from the earth.

The moment humanity put value on dirt, we were doomed.

[DarkReign]

I can tell some are not students of history... all US presidents have had their bad policies and bad decisions... even kennedy had his bay of pigs... and escalated the Vietnam police action...........

I completely understand what you mean and very much agree.

But Bay of Pigs is a terrible example. Thats Eisenhower's baby all the way.

[Wild Cobra]

GaryJohnston, ThunderStix®, Wild Cobra, xrayzebra im calling you all out you imbeciles

do you like rising cost of living?

increasingly faster growing national debt?

americans losing their lives for a lost cause?

elaborate what it is about Bush that you "support"

In you have any intelligent questions, I may take more than a moment to answer.

No on each of the three questions, that only an idiot think are true, or president Bush's fault.

I support his humanity, tact, honor, integrity, and other things you obviously just don't understand. I disagree with many of his decisions, but the man has my respect.

How can anyone respect those who ran against president Bush? They were chronic liars.

[Wild Cobra]

I don't see how anyone can like Bush. The left should hate him for being a puppet of the oilcos, and the right should hate him for his massive spending and ruining our dollar with all the borrowing from China. Bush is a god figure to Neocons though.

I see you like to belong to ythe wives gossip club. That's all most the negative stuff about president Bush is that floats around. Just bullshit and gossip.

Real evidence and proof are still unavailable about the allegations.

[mavs>spurs2]

In you have any intelligent questions, I may take more than a moment to answer.

No on each of the three questions, that only an idiot think are true, or president Bush's fault.

I support his humanity, tact, honor, integrity, and other things you obviously just don't understand. I disagree with many of his decisions, but the man has my respect.

How can anyone respect those who ran against president Bush? They were chronic liars.

number one and two are fact, look up the numbers, due mainly to deficit spending and this "war" in Iraq which is a whole different story in itself. Bush severely underestimated the cost of war when we went over there and failed to realize one HUGE POINT. Muslims HATE Jews and Christians, and they especially hate the US for backing Israel. Sure, we went over there and dismantled what little military and army they had, no problem. But idiots fail to realize that this is a 2 thousand year old strife, they will hate us for all eternity, it's not changing. There will continue to be car bombings, violence, and unrest untill the day we leave Iraq. It's a war that can't be won as long as humans have the gift of free will and their own thoughts.

[Wild Cobra]

number one and two are fact, look up the numbers, due mainly to deficit spending and this "war" in Iraq which is a whole different story in itself. Bush severely underestimated the cost of war when we went over there and failed to realize one HUGE POINT. Muslims HATE Jews and Christians, and they especially hate the US for backing Israel. Sure, we went over there and dismantled what little military and army they had, no problem. But idiots fail to realize that this is a 2 thousand year old strife, they will hate us for all eternity, it's not changing. There will continue to be car bombings, violence, and unrest untill the day we leave Iraq. It's a war that can't be won as long as humans have the gift of free will and their own thoughts.
I didn't mean they weren't true, I meant they were not president Bush's fault. Social programs that are on the mandatory part of the budget are the reasons we have such out of control numbers. Our real cost of living has been going up faster than wages for decades. Only a fool blames it on president Bush. War is a necessary evil, and Iraq is not a lost cause. Military spending is addressed in the constitution. Social welfare is not. It is counterproductive to part of the preamble "promote the general welfare." Welfare in this case means that we fare well, not a welfare program.

The premises behind the other posting I responded to are simply false.

Apparently, you think Muslims are a lost cause. I guess that means you would advocate we do as Hitler tried to do to the Jews as well. With your attitude and their population growth dwarfing that of other faiths, they will rule the world someday unless we fight terrorism. I say it's not them as a religion, but men of power who use the religion as a tool for their own means. Once the right people are solidly in power, it is possible to keep a nation like Iraq stable.

President Bush has many faults and I really dislike many of his decisions, ideas, and policies. But he does deserve to be respected. When you libtards speak of real errors on his part rather than these lies from demonrats you repeat, I will join in on the criticism.

[rascal]

give him credit for preventing another major terrorist attack in the US when most people thought it was inevitable.

How did he prevent another attack? Going to Iraq has nothing to do with no more attacks. In matter in fact Iraq pisses them off more to plan other future attacks but its not easy to attack the US on its soil.

9-11 was an isolated event carried out by 20 or so fanatics and a few master minds behind the scenes. They hit the towers first when Clinton was president and were determined to take them down and manged to get something to work while Bush was president. Who the president was or is had nothing to do with it.

Its not like if there was another president other than Bush there would be many more attacks on the US. Sooner or later something else will happen but its not easy to plan major attacks on US soil, so it may take many years to pull something else off.

[baseline bum]

Shit, I insulted WildCobra's messiah.

[Wild Cobra]

Shit, I insulted WildCobra's messiah.

No. You insulted me, because I respect him. He no messiah, but he's more righteous than most.

Granted, President Bush has quite a few unfortunate qualities about him. He still has traits to be admired and respected. Nobody's perfect.

You show your ignorance by repeating the lies from the left rather than criticizing him on issues he deserves to be hit on.

[Spur-Addict]

Still implies having been supported at one point.

[2centsworth]

Yes, give him credit for implementing after 9/11 all the anti-terror policies that were recommended to him months before 9/11.

Brilliant.

GO OBAMA GO. You're such a wonderful cheerleader.

[ChumpDumper]

GO OBAMA GO. You're such a wonderful cheerleader.This has nothing to do with Obama, but good attempt at trying to change the subject.

[Nbadan]

...17% is about Dubya's current approval rating...

[rascal]

No. You insulted me, because I respect him. He no messiah, but he's more righteous than most.

Granted, President Bush has quite a few unfortunate qualities about him. He still has traits to be admired and respected. Nobody's perfect.

You show your ignorance by repeating the lies from the left rather than criticizing him on issues he deserves to be hit on.

Bush righteous? :rollin

[mavs>spurs2]

Bush should be tried for war crimes

[dg7md]

People who support Bush must not have friends or family in Iraq...

[Nbadan]

....Or friends anywhere else for that matter...except maybe parts of Africa, Texas or Utah...

[Wild Cobra]

Bush should be tried for war crimes

You don't think he would be if there was really any evidence?

There is nothing but propaganda and lies from the left to support such ideas. If there were really a case, he would be indicted!

[Nbadan]

There is nothing but propaganda and lies from the left to support such ideas. If there were really a case, he would be indicted!

:rolleyes

He would be indicted, if the corporate M$M didn't have so much invested in keeping him around...

[DarkReign]

People who support Bush must not have friends or family in Iraq...

It would seem most people speak in generalities and it creates huge problems for their argument.

I can only speak from my (very) limited experience with current/former young men who have served in Iraq/Afghanistan.

No bullshit, Im not lying, I met another young man this weekend (at a party) who just came back from his third tour in Iraq. He fucking loves it.

Also, the 3 others that I have met, all fucking love it.

I use the profanity to try to convey how.....serious I am. They made no bones about a) why they joined the military, b) what they expected and c) what their opinion of it was.

Dont get me wrong, they enjoyed coming home for the R&R, seeing family and so on. But even this 24 year old 3 days ago was already looking forward to going back.

Its plain and simple to me now, although I would have guessed wrong say 2 years ago. A very, very small minority of enlisted soldiers signed up to the armed forces for the paycheck and the free education, not to fight.

The vast, VAST majority of the enlisted armed forces signed up to kill people, to fight victorious wars and to protect their brothers and sisters on the field. Hands down, cant explain any better than that.

I have met 4 (small sample, I know) Iraq/Afghanistan vets in the past 1.5 years. Thats 4 for 4 that selected option A "I kick ass and chew bubble gum....and Im all out of bubble gum".

Moreover, they dont give a FUCK what we think. Or the media, or any other dipshit source of fucking information. They want this, they love this, they dont want it to end (im speaking about the 4 individuals Ive met, no one else).

Its just weird to me that, honestly, all 4 were of the exact same mind. Exactly the same mind. No deviations.

It opened my eyes a bit. It doesnt make me think any differently about the reasons for going to war or if we should be there in the first place (the military does not run the country's foreign policy for a reason, duhh....). But it does make me feel better about the "boots on the ground" and where their minds are at, as best as I can tell from the small handful of people Ive met.

[Wild Cobra]

It would seem most people speak in generalities and it creates huge problems for their argument.

I can only speak from my (very) limited experience with current/former young men who have served in Iraq/Afghanistan.

No bullshit, Im not lying, I met another young man this weekend (at a party) who just came back from his third tour in Iraq. He fucking loves it.

Also, the 3 others that I have met, all fucking love it.

I use the profanity to try to convey how.....serious I am. They made no bones about a) why they joined the military, b) what they expected and c) what their opinion of it was.

Dont get me wrong, they enjoyed coming home for the R&R, seeing family and so on. But even this 24 year old 3 days ago was already looking forward to going back.

Its plain and simple to me now, although I would have guessed wrong say 2 years ago. A very, very small minority of enlisted soldiers signed up to the armed forces for the paycheck and the free education, not to fight.

The vast, VAST majority of the enlisted armed forces signed up to kill people, to fight victorious wars and to protect their brothers and sisters on the field. Hands down, cant explain any better than that.

I have met 4 (small sample, I know) Iraq/Afghanistan vets in the past 1.5 years. Thats 4 for 4 that selected option A "I kick ass and chew bubble gum....and Im all out of bubble gum".

Moreover, they dont give a FUCK what we think. Or the media, or any other dipshit source of fucking information. They want this, they love this, they dont want it to end (im speaking about the 4 individuals Ive met, no one else).

Its just weird to me that, honestly, all 4 were of the exact same mind. Exactly the same mind. No deviations.

It opened my eyes a bit. It doesnt make me think any differently about the reasons for going to war or if we should be there in the first place (the military does not run the country's foreign policy for a reason, duhh....). But it does make me feel better about the "boots on the ground" and where their minds are at, as best as I can tell from the small handful of people Ive met.
As an Army veteran of 11 years, I completely understand this. They are rather unique people, aren't they? I suspect they have earned your respect as well, even if you don't agree with their attitudes completely.

What more can one ask for a volunteer military? Would people drafted have the same heart?

[DarkReign]

They are rather unique people, aren't they? I suspect they have earned your respect as well, even if you don't agree with their attitudes completely.

Absolutely. I judge not. Beyond the few minutes I spent talking to them about it (they brought it up every time), the only other time I brought it up was to shake their hand.


What more can one ask for a volunteer military? Would people drafted have the same heart?

Could never ask for more. These dudes were young, smart and in tip-top shape. Limited drinking, no smoking, no drugs, no hangups. Just real calm, cool and collected.

Also, no, a drafted army would be nothing near what we have now. Involuntary service is a far cry from voluntary.

Again, it doesnt change my opinion about the over-arching aspects of the War on Terror/Iraqi Liberation issues. It just soothes my mind in some (stupid) way that at least the people in the line of fire are very proud and very motivated (generally speaking).

[rascal]

As an Army veteran of 11 years, I completely understand this. They are rather unique people, aren't they? I suspect they have earned your respect as well, even if you don't agree with their attitudes completely.

What more can one ask for a volunteer military? Would people drafted have the same heart?

Thats from mind conditioning that the military does on them. It starts with basic training.

if anyone steps out of line they will be punished in one way or another so you learn early on during basic training to just go with the program and its best not to question anything and let the guys in charge do all the thinking for you. That is what is desired and what is best if you want to survive in the military.

[Wild Cobra]

Thats from mind conditioning that the military does on them. It starts with basic training.

if anyone steps out of line they will be punished in one way or another so you learn early on during basic training to just go with the program and its best not to question anything and let the guys in charge do all the thinking for you. That is what is desired and what is best if you want to survive in the military.
I see you have a biased perception.

Basic training was much easier than I thought it would be. I already loved my country and was proud to see president Reagan elected just befor I joined. Nobody needed to condition me. What you describe is a learning tool to follow orders. Not to 'condition the mind' which I read as brain washing by the way you said it. The military wants soldiers who not only follow orders, but can think on their feet.

Do you often speak of things you don't understand? Maybe you were like one of the several wash-outs I say during basic training?

[clambake]

I see you have a biased perception.

Basic training was much easier than I thought it would be. I already loved my country and was proud to see president Reagan elected just befor I joined. Nobody needed to condition me. What you describe is a learning tool to follow orders. Not to 'condition the mind' which I read as brain washing by the way you said it. The military wants soldiers who not only follow orders, but can think on their feet.

Do you often speak of things you don't understand? Maybe you were like one of the several wash-outs I say during basic training?

this.....coming from a farmer that said a group of american soldiers were killed because of their opposition to the war.

[Wild Cobra]

this.....coming from a farmer that said a group of american soldiers were killed because of their opposition to the war.

Huh?

How do you derive that?

[clambake]

Huh?

How do you derive that?

there's not one person in here that will ever forget your "kharma" post.

and know you've blessed us with your racism.

you are infamous.

[johnsmith]

you are infamous.

That means more then famous.

[clambake]

That means more then famous.

it means "having a bad reputation".

can't you just talk about my mutant wife and kid instead of taking up for this low life?:lol

[Wild Cobra]

there's not one person in here that will ever forget your "kharma" post.

and know you've blessed us with your racism.

you are infamous.
Will you please tell me where I implied that? Besides, I'm not a farmer. The posts I used the word Kharma didn't imply soldiers were killed because of it, so if I'm wrong, please show me.

Put your money where your mouth is!

[clambake]

Will you please tell me where I implied that? Besides, I'm not a farmer. The posts I used the word Kharma didn't imply soldiers were killed because of it, so if I'm wrong, please show me.

Put your money where your mouth is!

backpedal

[Wild Cobra]

this.....coming from a farmer that said a group of american soldiers were killed because of their opposition to the war.
For the second time, Where did I say that? Seems like you are doing the backpeddling.

Careful on that tricycle.

[clambake]

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