Old Bump: Finley Re-signs with Spurs

[Spurtacus]

We overpaid but I'm now very glad we have Finley after Ginobili injury.

[T Park]

:lmao:lmao:lmao

This offseason just keeps getting better and better.

Yeah lets hold onto that money, not sign anyone, then rip into Holt for saving for another Tractor or earth mover.

[Kori Ellis]

Yeah lets hold onto that money, not sign anyone, then rip into Holt for saving for another Tractor or earth mover.

Umm.. he's talking about next year being Finley's option. It would have been nice for the Spurs to have the flexibility to NOT bring back at 36 year old Finley next summer.

[Ocotillo]

This move is so Pop. Why the mancrush on the way past his prime Finley?

[Sissiborgo]

very good!..

[Ocotillo]

What next? Nick Van Exel for a two year deal at a little over the league minimum?

[Bruno]

$5M for Finley is a quite big contract. I thought that he would get a LLE like contract that is to say $4M/2 years.
You also had to consider that if Spurs gave given him that much money, it's not to stick him at the deep end of the bench. I had the same reasoning for Mason.
Unless Spurs plays Mason at PG or a lot of small ball, Spurs wings are quite overcrowded. Someone will be the odd man out and it could be Udoka.

And Spurs offseason has been very disappointing so far. Right now, Spurs aren't a serious contender for the 2009 title and it damn sucks.

[Ocotillo]

Must be something quirky about the contract like buy-out language even if the second year is Fin's option. Maybe they have their eye on someone for a trade who wants an expiring contract in Feb 2010? Gotta be something.......

[DarkMaverick]

I like Finley but I rather see David Robinson play in his 40s than see Finley play.

[benefactor]

5 mil over 2 years and he has the option for next year? This is a joke, right?

[The Truth #6]

Yeah lets hold onto that money, not sign anyone, then rip into Holt for saving for another Tractor or earth mover.

You do more blind cheerleading for the Spurs than the Coyote, but at least he is actually getting paid, and puts people in a good mood.

The terms of this deal are not favorable to the team at all. Why support it? Or worse, rip people for calling it out for what it is?

[Dramon]

occasional slumps? It's the other way around. Occasional Bright Spots.


Barry FINALLY turned into the Barry we wanted and now he's gone. :depressed

For ONE game and that was only offensively, even though he spent the rest of the season injured and one year older than Finley and Thomas.

Everyone says that we need more youth because TD and Manu are getting in the *gasp* early 30s and then they get pissed that we didn't resign the second oldest person on our roster last year.

[timvp]

This summer, the Spurs have made some bad moves and they've had some bad luck ... but signing Finley to a two-year, $5M contract with the second year as a player option might take the cake.

Finley is D-O-N-E. I'm not even sure he's better than 2003 Smitty. At least Smitty could pass a little bit and handle the ball a little bit. Finley is a one-trick jump shooting pony who has lost the ability to jump.

Unless he finds the fountain of youth over the summer, this will be one of the dumbest signings of the Pop era.

[pad300]

This summer, the Spurs have made some bad moves and they've had some bad luck ... but signing Finley to a two-year, $5M contract with the second year as a player option might take the cake.

Finley is D-O-N-E. I'm not even sure he's better than 2003 Smitty. At least Smitty could pass a little bit and handle the ball a little bit. Finley is a one-trick jump shooting pony who has lost the ability to jump.

Unless he finds the fountain of youth over the summer, this will be one of the dumbest signings of the Pop era.

Actually, the money I find I can live with; after all, I'm not paying it. Finley's 2.5 million shouldn't impact our space under the lux tax limit, and he goes away in 2010, in time for our (and everyone else's) big FA push... According to http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/08-09salaries.htm, our expected salary for 089/09 is $65,326,513, with Finley's 2.5 million included. (that gets us Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Emanuel Ginobili, Kurt Thomas, Bruce Bowen, Roger Mason, Fabricio Oberto, Matt Bonner, Jacque Vaughn, Ime Udoka, Ian Mahinmi, Anthony Tolliver, Michael Finley, George Hill). The lux tax line last year was 67 865 000. It's not going to go down. We are in no danger of Lux tax currently (and have over $2,500,000 to spend on our last roster spot if we so chose). Finley's contract value does make him tradeable for a much wider range of contracts. Thats the good news.

The thing that does worry me about this is that it may be a sign that Pop's Mancrush is unabated, as Finley got a lot more than market value. IF that's the case, we might see a lot more of Finley this year, as opposed to being 5th swing. Then I'm going to be unhappy. As TiMVP has admitted, Finley's D-O-N-E!

PS. What do people think about signing Shaun Livingston into that last roster spot with a guaranteed contract? (I say guaranteed, because that is what I think would take to get him to sign here). I think he'd be interesting. He's really a good passer, and can defend. He's also a relatively big (compared to our backcourt), capable of playing the 1, 2, or 3 at 6'7"...

[DROB4EVER]

Fin will help us. IMO he is not done, he is just done as a 25 plus min pr game guy. He is a streaky shooter who can score very quickly. His problem is on D he has had to defend smaller quicker players which he cant do. And on offense he is losing his lift due to playing to many mins.

This is causing him to shoot a lower %. Cut his mins to 12-14 pr game with a game off now and then and I believe he will increase is fg% and his scoring pr min avg.

Playing the 3 would help us giving the ball to manu at the top of the key and having fin and mason on the wings with the second team will give us a better scoring second unit.

Just pray pops keeps his mins down.

[Dramon]

Fin will help us. IMO he is not done, he is just done as a 25 plus min pr game guy. He is a streaky shooter who can score very quickly. His problem is on D he has had to defend smaller quicker players which he cant do. And on offense he is losing his lift due to playing to many mins.

This is causing him to shoot a lower %. Cut his mins to 12-14 pr game with a game off now and then and I believe he will increase is fg% and his scoring pr min avg.

Playing the 3 would help us giving the ball to manu at the top of the key and having fin and mason on the wings with the second team will give us a better scoring second unit.

Just pray pops keeps his mins down.


Actually the thing I liked about Finley last year is he did soak up a lot of minutes last year during the regular season giving Ginobili more time on the bench.

[benefactor]

Just pray pops keeps his mins down.
Don't blame God if this one goes unanswered....

[objective]

Actually the thing I liked about Finley last year is he did soak up a lot of minutes last year during the regular season giving Ginobili more time on the bench.

Considering that Manu had a career high in both total minutes and mpg last season, Finley must not have done a very good job at soaking up minutes.

[Dramon]

Considering that Manu had a career high in both total minutes and mpg last season, Finley must not have done a very good job at soaking up minutes.

Actually it had nothing to do with Finley. Finley still averaged 26mpg throughout the season. The reason Manu averaged so many minutes (still only 31mpg. 27:30 to 31:06 isn't that big a jump in minutes) was becuase Brent Barry was injured/traded throughout most of the season and also becuase of Tony Parker. When Parker went down in late January, Manu's averages jumped up to around 40mpg until he got back. Bag all you guys want on Finley but at least he's been able to play in all 82 games for the past two seasons.

[pad300]

Actually it had nothing to do with Finley. Finley still averaged 26mpg throughout the season. The reason Manu averaged so many minutes (still only 31mpg. 27:30 to 31:06 isn't that big a jump in minutes) was becuase Brent Barry was injured/traded throughout most of the season and also becuase of Tony Parker. When Parker went down in late January, Manu's averages jumped up to around 40mpg until he got back. Bag all you guys want on Finley but at least he's been able to play in all 82 games for the past two seasons.

Are you familiar with David Berri's statistical analysis of wins produced in Basketball? His statistics provide a certain amount of insight. I have 4 numbers I'd like to draw your attention to, from this table :
http://www.wagesofwins.com/Spurs0708.html
Brent Barry Wins Produced 07/08 season : 2.5
Mike Finley Wins Produced 07/08 season : 2.4
Brent Barry Minutes Played 07/08 Season : 554
Mike Finley Minutes Played 07/08 Season : 2204

Finley played 4 TIMES as many minutes, and provided less of a contribution to overall team success... An average player (WP/48 = 0.1), playing Finley's minutes would have improved our team success by approximately (.2*2204/48 - 2.4 = 2.2) 2.2 wins, which a) would have given us homecourt advantage, and b) would have let us rest Manu much more, as there would be a net of much more garbage time at the end of some wins...

[Dramon]

Are you familiar with David Berri's statistical analysis of wins produced in Basketball? His statistics provide a certain amount of insight. I have 4 numbers I'd like to draw your attention to, from this table :
http://www.wagesofwins.com/Spurs0708.html
Brent Barry Wins Produced 07/08 season : 2.5
Mike Finley Wins Produced 07/08 season : 2.4
Brent Barry Minutes Played 07/08 Season : 554
Mike Finley Minutes Played 07/08 Season : 2204

Finley played 4 TIMES as many minutes, and provided less of a contribution to overall team success... An average player (WP/48 = 0.1), playing Finley's minutes would have improved our team success by approximately (.2*2204/48 - 2.4 = 2.2) 2.2 wins, which a) would have given us homecourt advantage, and b) would have let us rest Manu much more, as there would be a net of much more garbage time at the end of some wins...

Too bad winning and basketball is more than just tables and calculations.

It does nothing to debunk what I said about Manu playing more minutes.

Also, Finley played more minutes was becuase he was healthy the ENTIRE season, while Barry went down with an injury like a third of the way into the season. I don't care how many wins over Finley that Barry generated, he's sure as hell didn't generate wins sitting on the bench injured.

Instead of using some stupid calculation based off formulas try looking at the games themselves. Even if you don't watch the games the boxscore tells a much better story. You'd be surprised at how much the big 3's health matters. Like for instance this game that we lost against the Celtics when Tony Parker was out.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AtXnU29rFIm0k1LBoFDbEmOkvLYF?gid=200 8021002

Finley shot 61.5% and finished with 19 points and we still lost.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AnAqcmSyUqeT_VW14W9UVn6kvLYF?gid=200 8040426

This game Finley shot 25% but so did Bowen while Jacque Vaughn and Udoka combined for 1-7, oh and Ginobili shot 2-10. So I don't think you can really attribute the loss to him when NOONE else stepped up either. There are several games he shot awesome percentages and we lost and several that he shot poorly but he wasn't the only one shooting poorly that game. The only thing I would be concerned about with Finley is getting a step slow on defense, forget about offense. Though, Barry is probably a step slower than Finley.

Oberto generated like 2.8 wins according to your link which is nice, but the dude averages less than 5 points a game and in most of our losses usually averages < 3 points.

If anything Vaughn and Udoka need to step it up in scoring. You guys keep looking at points but in our system its not points scored that you should be looking at for anyone not named Duncan, Parker, or Ginobili. You should be looking at specialty roles ie: perimeter shooter, elbow jumpshooter, etc and DEFENSE. If you're gonna grill any of our players for anything grill them for being slow on defense.

We lost HCA last year not because Finley or whoever was old, we lost it becuase each one of our big 3 went down at totally seperate times and they didn't have a chance to really play with each other except at the very beginning and end of the season so everytime someone would get healthy again they had to regain that chemistry. Also, I don't think Barry's not resigning had anything to do with the FO, I just think he really wanted to sign with Houston.

[timvp]

This summer, the Spurs have made some bad moves and they've had some bad luck ... but signing Finley to a two-year, $5M contract with the second year as a player option might take the cake.

Finley is D-O-N-E. I'm not even sure he's better than 2003 Smitty. At least Smitty could pass a little bit and handle the ball a little bit. Finley is a one-trick jump shooting pony who has lost the ability to jump.

Unless he finds the fountain of youth over the summer, this will be one of the dumbest signings of the Pop era.I hate you timvp.

[ducks]

did not finley have a fuck like this last year and played decent in the second half of the season

not thrilled he is a spur though

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Finley was done last season - everyone could see that but T Park... I called it, you called it, most of the fucking world called it. Sure, he hit a few shots against the Suns, but that was an aberration, and enough to blind Pop to the obvious.

We could have had Matt Barnes for the minimum.

:pctoss

[baseline bum]

Don't underestimate Pop's man-crush on this guy.

:pctoss :pctoss :pctoss

[timvp]

$5M for Michael Finley :lmao

[SequSpur]

did not finley have a fuck like this last year and played decent in the second half of the season

not thrilled he is a spur though

dude, did you just take your seizure medication? you must be drowsy or retarded.. you can't even read your shit...

Have you ever noticed the preview button? hit that and read your shit before you nauseate some other topic.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Everyone called Finley being done back in April.

Re-signing him has to be one of the top 2-3 bonehead moves of the Tim Duncan era (trading Scola to Houston and the Nocioni birthdate fuckup being the others).

[TDMVPDPOY]

finley has his ring already, now get rid of him...

lets trade his ass back to the mavs...

[baseline bum]

$5M for Michael Finley :lmao

That's not funny. :bang :bang :bang :bang :bang :bang :bang :bang

[TDMVPDPOY]

That's not funny. :bang :bang :bang :bang :bang :bang :bang :bang

dont forget his also earning another pay check from cuban....

[timvp]

Hopefully by the playoffs, the three players in suits are Finley, Bonner and Vaughn. That'd be a good sign that Pop is willing to cut the fat off of his steak.

[Ryvin1]

$5M for Michael Finley :lmao

uh 10mill no way he's opting out the second season..

[mVp]

NBA, where Finley getting two paychecks happens...

[timvp]

uh 10mill no way he's opting out the second season..It's $2.5M per season.

[timvp]

NBA, where Finley getting two paychecks happens...

Finley has earned more money in his career than Tim Duncan. He has earned more than David Robinson, Sean Elliott and George Gervin combined.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Finley haters.






















:cry

[mVp]

Life's so damn generous to some people...

[HarlemHeat37]

terrible signing..I'd rather have signed a younger guy..

Finley is absolutely done at this point..he's still a solid set shooter..but he's arguably the worst passer in the NBA for a guard..a horrendous defender..he rarely makes a shot after he takes a dribble..he's done..


I'm expecting Mason to start, and I hope that he does..I watched a number of his games last year, and he's going to surprise some people..great work ethic and should get better playing in our system..

I don't mind Finley as much if he's only gonna play at certain times..but like others have said, the combination of Finley+Pop is the part that scares me the most..

[Ryvin1]

It's $2.5M per season.

ok that makes me feel better.. slightly, but not as good if we offered that money to barry or about anyone else

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Everyone called Finley being done back in April.

Re-signing him has to be one of the top 2-3 bonehead moves of the Tim Duncan era (trading Scola to Houston and the Nocioni birthdate fuckup being the others).

Actually, I called him done back in January... :lol

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Surely Fin's Mavs contract ended last season?

[texwheel]

Thought he showed up at camp in great shape. For a shooter, 26.8% thru 5games, worst on the team, isn't too encouraging.

[benefactor]

I hate you timvp.
Unnecessary bump...its not like we have to be reminded. We get that every time he suits up.

[Lebowski Brickowski]

Finley has earned more money in his career than Tim Duncan. He has earned more than David Robinson, Sean Elliott and George Gervin combined.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Finley haters.



That is the single worst fact in the history of the universe.

[SenorSpur]

That is the single worst fact in the history of the universe.

If anything, when comparing his exhoribant earnings to his career contributions, that makes him all the more overpriced.

[mrspurs]

wow threads last this long?

[SenorSpur]

I wonder if Pop would like a "do-over" on this one. Of all the decisions that have brought the state of this roster to where it is, resigning this guy and Bonner have proved to be as detrimental as any.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Life's so damn generous to some people...

What, like us wastrels who have the luxury to sit around and chat about basketball whenever we like?


Unnecessary bump...its not like we have to be reminded. We get that every time he suits up.

...except it's his (and Kori's) forum, so what's necessary is not defined by you but by them, and let's face it, they don't force much upon us! :lmao

[Matchman]

i thought yall dont count no performances in November and Finley is damn clutch last playoffs:lol

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I wonder if Pop would like a "do-over" on this one. Of all the decisions that have brought the state of this roster to where it is, resigning this guy and Bonner have proved to be as detrimental as any.

The sad thing is I'm sure Pop would sign him for the same amount all over again. Pop just loves Finley. My dream in life is for Finley to be cut out of the rotation completely, but as long as Pop is the coach it just isn't gonna happen. No matter how poorly Finley shoots Pop is gonna say "Just keep shooting" and Finley will.

And that'll be our season.

[benefactor]

...except it's his (and Kori's) forum, so what's necessary is not defined by you but by them, and let's face it, they don't force much upon us! :lmao
I'm really not sure what you are getting at with this statement. The last time I checked, this was indeed a forum where I am entitled to my opinion. If want to say it was unnecessary to bump the thread then I will say it. It matters little to me if its him or you or whoever.

[Spurtacus]

This signing was a mistake.

[ducks]

This signing was a mistake.

have you ever made a mistake

[tp2021]

Probably, but never a multi-million dollar one! :lol

[SenorSpur]

Actually, I called him done back in January... :lol

Actually, I called him done when the Spurs signed him the first time. I argued with many on this board against the Spurs signing him. Only because I had watched him slowly start to deteriorate as a player. His current sucking phase really began his last 2-3 years in a Mavs uniform. He devolved into what he is now - a one trick pony - who can't consistently hit shots - not much else.

[m33p0]

i thought the first time Spurs signed him up was to screw Cuban. now it seems Pop actually likes the guy.

[Spurtacus]

have you ever made a mistake

Yes, I have. I never said otherwise. But, do you learn from your mistakes? The writing was on the wall after last season. Spurs made a mistake.

[mattyc]

Hopefully by the playoffs, the three players in suits are Finley, Bonner and Vaughn. That'd be a good sign that Pop is willing to cut the fat off of his steak.
Have to agree. Without any trades, you'd think and hope that our younger brigade will have the capacity to develop, earn their minutes and be primed for playoff experience.

That said, who knows how we will look in 70-odd games time.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I'm really not sure what you are getting at with this statement. The last time I checked, this was indeed a forum where I am entitled to my opinion. If want to say it was unnecessary to bump the thread then I will say it. It matters little to me if its him or you or whoever.

Are you that obtuse? It's his forum, he can bump whatever the hell he wants. Clear?

Bumping threads is obviously of great importance to you... :rolleyes

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Actually, I called him done when the Spurs signed him the first time. I argued with many on this board against the Spurs signing him. Only because I had watched him slowly start to deteriorate as a player. His current sucking phase really began his last 2-3 years in a Mavs uniform. He devolved into what he is now - a one trick pony - who can't consistently hit shots - not much else.

Yeah, but he was actually decent for what he was acquired for in '06-7. It was only last year that he really showed how much he'd deteriorated.

You are right though, he was almost done when he arrived here...

[MannyIsGod]

Are you that obtuse? It's his forum, he can bump whatever the hell he wants. Clear?

Bumping threads is obviously of great importance to you... :rolleyes

:lmao @ you calling him obtuse within the context of these posts. I don't believe he ever tried to stop LJ from bumping whatever he wants, he just gave his opinion on the bump.

Not that I care, its just ironic as hell that you would call him obtuse when you are the one missing the point.

[squire]

:lmao @ you calling him obtuse within the context of these posts. I don't believe he ever tried to stop LJ from bumping whatever he wants, he just gave his opinion on the bump.

Not that I care, its just ironic as hell that you would call him obtuse when you are the one missing the point.

PomN3d by a bandwagon Obama supporter.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

:lmao @ you calling him obtuse within the context of these posts. I don't believe he ever tried to stop LJ from bumping whatever he wants, he just gave his opinion on the bump.

Not that I care, its just ironic as hell that you would call him obtuse when you are the one missing the point.

Yeah Manny, you are the world authority on fucking everything. :rolleyes

His original comment was "Unnecessary bump...its not like we have to be reminded. We get that every time he suits up" - implication: thread should not have been bumped. I'm not missing any point. Why make the comment in the first place.

I called him obtuse because he said "I'm really not sure what you are getting at with this statement."

The bigger question here is why I bother arguing with you.

[MannyIsGod]

That is the bigger question. Its pretty easy to fuck with you. :lol

[squire]

Yeah Manny, you are the world authority on fucking everything. :rolleyes

His original comment was "Unnecessary bump...its not like we have to be reminded. We get that every time he suits up" - implication: thread should not have been bumped. I'm not missing any point. Why make the comment in the first place.

I called him obtuse because he said "I'm really not sure what you are getting at with this statement."

The bigger question here is why I bother arguing with you.

You should stop while your far behind. That was hilarious though when that guy said you were gaying up the thread.:lol

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

That is the bigger question. Its pretty easy to fuck with you. :lol

Indeed.

Only for you though, Manny. :lol

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

You should stop while your far behind. That was hilarious though when that guy said you were gaying up the thread.:lol

:lol :flipoff

Screw you, dorkoff.

[benefactor]

Yeah Manny, you are the world authority on fucking everything. :rolleyes

His original comment was "Unnecessary bump...its not like we have to be reminded. We get that every time he suits up" - implication: thread should not have been bumped. I'm not missing any point. Why make the comment in the first place.

I called him obtuse because he said "I'm really not sure what you are getting at with this statement."

The bigger question here is why I bother arguing with you.
I made the comment because I can...just like anyone else can. It's a FORUM and you are allowed to disagree with anything anyone says or does. We know it sucks that Finley got 2 more years, and being reminded is just salt in the wound. That's why I said it was unnecessary.

Lord, you would think things like this wouldn't have to be explained to someone with almost 11,000 posts.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Uh-huh. I get you. And I'm speaking my piece too. We're both in a little speaking our piece circle-jerk.

Fuck, it feels like free agent madness around here. :bang

Let's leave it there.

[SenorSpur]

I hope Finley's 2nd year is a team option - of course if it is - there's no doubt Pop will bring him back and waste another roster spot and a year's salary.

[timvp]

This summer, the Spurs have made some bad moves and they've had some bad luck ... but signing Finley to a two-year, $5M contract with the second year as a player option might take the cake.

Finley is D-O-N-E. I'm not even sure he's better than 2003 Smitty. At least Smitty could pass a little bit and handle the ball a little bit. Finley is a one-trick jump shooting pony who has lost the ability to jump.

Unless he finds the fountain of youth over the summer, this will be one of the dumbest signings of the Pop era.
It looks like the worst scenario is playing out. Finley has somehow won an extended role on this year's team to the point that Pop has elevated him into the Big Four. This has disaster written all over it.

Yeah, Finley helped out when the team was short-handed and he probably is responsible for two or three extra wins. But going forward, Finley's role as big as it currently is makes winning a championship an impossibility. There's just no way a team that is relying on Finley as much as Pop is relying on Finley right now is going to win a championship. Especially a 36-year-old Finley.

If Pop doesn't wake up and reduce Finley's role (and that doesn't mean more Udoka :rolleyes), this season is over. Either play Bowen more, play Hill more or shorten up the rotation and give more minutes to Mason and Ginobili.

[xtremesteven33]

It looks like the worst scenario is playing out. Finley has somehow won an extended role on this year's team to the point that Pop has elevated him into the Big Four. This has disaster written all over it.

Yeah, Finley helped out when the team was short-handed and he probably is responsible for two or three extra wins. But going forward, Finley's role as big as it currently is makes winning a championship an impossibility. There's just no way a team that is relying on Finley as much as Pop is relying on Finley right now is going to win a championship. Especially a 36-year-old Finley.

If Pop doesn't wake up and reduce Finley's role (and that doesn't mean more Udoka :rolleyes), this season is over. Either play Bowen more, play Hill more or shorten up the rotation and give more minutes to Mason and Ginobili.



Maybe one day Pop will write a book and tell us why he loves Fin so much.....until then well just assume they are lovers :married:

[benefactor]

I was thinking about tracking down this thread. It's kinda funny in a sad way to read through it...seeings how most of us could see the writing on the wall before the paint was even on the brush.

[SA210]

Maybe one day Pop will write a book and tell us why he loves Fin so much.....

:lol

Somehwere in that book, he will say, "We didn't hit our shots, the other team did"

[lefty]

http://www.demotivationalpics.com/diy/demotiv_pic_4651-Finsucks.jpg

[baseline bum]

It looks like the worst scenario is playing out. Finley has somehow won an extended role on this year's team to the point that Pop has elevated him into the Big Four. This has disaster written all over it.

Yeah, Finley helped out when the team was short-handed and he probably is responsible for two or three extra wins. But going forward, Finley's role as big as it currently is makes winning a championship an impossibility. There's just no way a team that is relying on Finley as much as Pop is relying on Finley right now is going to win a championship. Especially a 36-year-old Finley.

If Pop doesn't wake up and reduce Finley's role (and that doesn't mean more Udoka :rolleyes), this season is over. Either play Bowen more, play Hill more or shorten up the rotation and give more minutes to Mason and Ginobili.

I'm just waiting for that day when Pop retires, turning the head coaching job over to... Michael Finley.

[Creation88]

hated the decision then and hate it even more now.

[MaNu4Tres]

I really don't see the difference between Finley or Mason except for the fact that Mason can handle the ball a little better, which somewhat works against us when Mason tries to use his handles to create and penetrate. Both Finley and Mason are more just spot up shooters with the 1 or 2 dribble pull up than anything else. And they both are horrible defensively.

If your going to hate on Finley hate on Mason too. They are the same damn player.

[Borosai]

I like Finley as long as he's scoring. If he's cold, it's up to Pop to sit him and play someone else. Pop does not. Pop can't get enough of Finley.

I like Mason as long as he's scoring. If he's cold, it's up to Pop to sit him and play someone else. Pop does not. Pop likes Mason as a PG.

Neither one does much else other than make jumpshots: they don't get to the rim often and Mason can't finish, they don't get to the line, they don't defend very well. They are basically the same type of player, so hopefully one or both can be effective on any given night. If they both suck (like yesterday), then depth is pointless since it's a deep hole of suck.

[MaNu4Tres]

Neither one does much else other than make jumpshots: they don't get to the rim often and Mason can't finish, they don't get to the line, they don't defend very well. They are basically the same type of player, so hopefully one or both can be effective on any given night. If they both suck (like yesterday), then depth is pointless since it's a deep hole of suck.

I notice this too.

[objective]

I agree totally about not trusting Pop with Finley (I don't trust him with the non-Duncan bigs either).

And the key is Steve Smith by the end of 03. Unfortunately, at the beginning of 02/03 Smith was still the starter until he got hurt very very early. By that time his long history of knee and leg issues finally caught up with him and forced Pop in a different directions.

Too bad the Michael Finley has pretty much been an iron man, he doesn't have the same history as Smith.

If Finley doesn't get hurt this year somehow, I think it more than likely that he has the same exact role in 09 as he did in 08.

as long as we're reminiscing . . .

[Whisky Dog]

The problem isn't Finley, the problem is the way he's being used by Pop. He's great in a spot role, but not as a big rotation player.

[loveforthegame]

The problem isn't Finley, the problem is the way he's being used by Pop. He's great in a spot role, but not as a big rotation player.

Exactly. I don't even mind him starting but once you see he's cold bring in someone else. It's not like you can't bring Finley back in if no one else is playing well either.

I don't blame Finley but I do Pop for the way he's managing his minutes.

[G-Nob]

Maybe one day Pop will write a book and tell us why he loves Fin so much.....until then well just assume they are lovers :married:

I thought you wanted to see more Finley?
At least that's what you expected when you made your "bold prediction" to finish the season 9-0.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121230

[MaNu4Tres]

Maybe one day Pop will write a book and tell us why he loves Fin so much.....until then well just assume they are lovers :married:

The same reason why Pop loves Finley is the same reason why some Spurs fans love Roger Mason.

[Lebowski Brickowski]

This has been a shadow over the whole season.

might as well admit the facts instead of living in some imaginary wonderland where Pop knows that finley belongs off the court.

edit: it's been so damn frustrating all year

[xtremesteven33]

I thought you wanted to see more Finley?
At least that's what you expected when you made your "bold prediction" to finish the season 9-0.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121230



i said what would happen...not what i want to see happen.

[benefactor]

Exactly. I agree with those who say he will be starting at the beginning of the season. I don't doubt that he has something left...thats not the reason I wanted him gone. The biggest reason I didn't want him back is because Pop will be giving him too many minutes...minutes that Mason should be playing. He will be in during the playoffs at a key moment, his man will blow by him for a layup and 1 and down we go again.

The whole thing just gives me a sick feeling.
God...please...no.

[TDMVPDPOY]

i dunno man, this signed with us to get a ring

we got him a ring, we even fkn paid him for being loyalty..

now we are fuckd....

oh well as long pop doesnt favor him over the others, then im down for it...

[BOHOLANO#21]

i dunno man, this signed with us to get a ring

we got him a ring, we even fkn paid him for being loyalty..

now we are fuckd....

oh well as long pop doesnt favor him over the others, then im down for it...

:lol some grave digger got you!

[Gervin44Silas13]

In the words of Deni Lemueux from the Movie "Slap Shot" (W/ Paul Newman)

"TRADE ME RIGHT F******N NOW!"

[DBMethos]

This has nothing to do with his latest decision, correct?

[TDMVPDPOY]

2.5m

he makes that on his current term deposits.... :(

why finley why

[Why?]

2.5m

he makes that on his current term deposits.... :(

why finley why

+1

[DynastyBuilder]

:repost:


This summer, the Spurs have made some bad moves and they've had some bad luck ... but signing Finley to a two-year, $5M contract with the second year as a player option might take the cake.

Finley is D-O-N-E. I'm not even sure he's better than 2003 Smitty. At least Smitty could pass a little bit and handle the ball a little bit. Finley is a one-trick jump shooting pony who has lost the ability to jump.

Unless he finds the fountain of youth over the summer, this will be one of the dumbest signings of the Pop era.


I hate you timvp.

:bang

[Supergirl]

THIS ARTICLE IS FROM 1 YEAR AGO.

Kori, can we please delete old threads, or lock them, to keep them from recirculating?

[mystargtr34]

Lol good one.

[mystargtr34]

What got me was the part where it said Finley is drawing serious interest from other teams like Boston and Cleveland.

[Bruno]

These kind of threads are regularly bumped because some posters here damn enjoy sucking their own dick.

[polandprzem]

These kind of threads are regularly bumped because some posters here damn enjoy sucking their own dick.

All in all it's a great feeling



































wtf poland?


haha

[manufan10]

These kind of threads are regularly bumped because some posters here damn enjoy sucking their own dick.

If you could do that, you would never leave your house. :lol

[Dex]

This bump is badly timed.

[ulosturedge]

The only reason I don't like this is because I don't see Bruce being re-signed now. Other then that having Finley on the team is no where near as bad as having Bonner on the team. We have to keep a vet or 2 around on the bench. You want the entire bench to consist of young unproven talent. Thats kind of a high risk situation in itself.

[TDMVPDPOY]

All in all it's a great feeling



































wtf poland?


haha
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1244/epicfailhj1.jpg

[polandprzem]

:lmao

[SpursFan0728]

lol @ those who want Finley in Spurs 2010 new roster. With the man crush pop has with him, our young guys will have less minutes to develop. Finley should be done 2 years ago.

[Solid D]

I could tell this was old... "Re-Signs" as opposed to "exercises option" on his current contract. However, benefactor should have said more to distinguish old from new after dragging this out to self-quote.

[benefactor]

I could tell this was old... "Re-Signs" as opposed to "exercises option" on his current contract. However, benefactor should have said more to distinguish old from new after dragging this out to self-quote.
Yeah...I should have at least put a link to the new thread that had already been started. Guess I figured everyone had seen it already. Sorry about that.

These kind of threads are regularly bumped because some posters here damn enjoy sucking their own dick.
Thats interesting. I didn't see this type of response from you when timvp did the exact same thing in this same thread back in November. It's all good though. Sometimes I feel like being a douche for no reason too.

The fact is that the people who STILL think its a good idea for Fin to pick up his option need to read this thread all the way through again...then go check out some box scores and some game tape. Me, timvp, HarlemHeat, SenorSpur and all the other posters called it from the jump. Giving Finley that new deal with his own option to stay the next year was a straight epic fail. It's funny...because some of them are saying the same things we see in this thread. "He will play limited minutes." "He's a good vet in the locker room." "He can hit a few threes off the bench." Here is what is going to happen:

If Fin returns, I can see this finishing lineup:

C Duncan
PF Finley
SF Jefferson
SG Ginobili
PG Parker

As good as the other four players are on the court, Finley would single-handedly ruin it. The only big who I think Pop would trust more than Finley at the end of games is Rasheed. I think Pop would even play Finley over McDyess. No question Pop would play Finley over players like Gortat or Pachulia at the end of games.

:depressed
Wake up dammit. Finley is a drug that Pop cannot resist. I'm even worried about Pop seeing Finley as too valueable to trade...hopefully I am wrong.

[howbouthemspurs]

Great choice by Finley. He knows who's best.