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Nbadan
08-19-2008, 11:41 PM
So much bullshit so little time....l

The 3 a.m. Phone Call Is Real


Hillary Clinton's best anti-Obama ad came to be known as the "3 a.m. phone call." It stoked voter worries that in the event of an international crisis, the first-term junior senator from Illinois might be out of his depth. On Aug. 8, the White House phone did ring, alerting President Bush that the Soviet Union, um, that is, Russia, had just sent columns of tanks and armored personnel carriers across the internationally recognized border of Georgia (formerly the Soviet Socialist Republic of Georgia), a tiny, democratic, America-friendly, Western-leaning country in the Caucasus mountains.

It was a near perfect laboratory test — the sort that real life rarely provides until it's too late — for how the two nominees for president would respond to an international emergency. (It also tested the current president — more on that in a moment.) Sen. Obama flunked. His first response was to urge restraint upon "both sides" — that is upon the rapist and the rape victim.

A couple of days later, Obama strengthened his condemnation of the Russians (and withdrew his admonition to the Georgians), but then betrayed the soft, weak reflexes that characterize the leftist wing of the Democratic Party to which he belongs. The answer to this blatant and brutal violation of Georgian sovereignty was to — anyone? — alert the United Nations. "The United States, Europe and all other concerned countries must stand united in condemning this aggression, and seeking a peaceful resolution to this crisis," Obama said in a statement. "We should continue to push for a United Nations Security Council Resolution calling for an immediate end to the violence. This is a clear violation of the sovereignty and internationally recognized borders of Georgia — the U.N. must stand up for the sovereignty of its members, and peace in the world." Well, yes, and lions should lie down with lambs, but back in the real world, the United Nations has never been able to stop a conflict the parties did not wish to suspend. And since Russia holds a veto, no resolution from the Security Council would be possible. As Claudia Rosett of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies put it: "U.N. mediators can't even protect the dissident monks of Burma or the opposition in Zimbabwe, let alone a small country trying to fight off single-handed an invasion by the Russian army."

Sen.McCain's response was more muscular. He condemned Russia and urged her to "immediately and unconditionally cease ... military operations and withdraw all forces from sovereign Georgian territory ... The consequences of Euro-Atlantic stability and security are grave." McCain urged the U.N. Security Council to meet on the matter, but strengthened the point by adding that the "US should immediately work with the E.U. and the OSCE to put diplomatic pressure on Russia to reverse this perilous course that it has chosen," and, "We should immediately call a meeting of the North Atlantic Council to assess Georgia's security and review measures NATO can take to contribute to stabilizing this very dangerous situation." Later, McCain also urged that the U.S. convene "an emergency meeting of the G-7 foreign ministers" and offered the view that Russia was seeking more than the independence of South Ossetia, but was instead looking to overthrow the democratically elected government of Mikheil Saakashvili. His use of the term G-7 was significant, since it presaged his later call to throw Russia out of the group that has become the G-8. Noting that Georgia is home to the only oil pipeline that feeds Caspian oil to the west outside of Russian territory or control, he warned, "We must remind Russia's leaders that the benefits they enjoy from being part of the civilized world require their respect for the values, stability and peace of that world."

President Bush was slow off the mark. The image of him chatting up Vladimir Putin in Beijing while Russian tanks were crashing into Georgia (population 4.5 million) was not helpful. Perhaps President Bush has a slow fuse. It required a day or two for him to get his footing after Sept. 11. But now, finally, he has decided to send Condoleezza Rice to confer with Nicolas Sarkozy and then on to Tbilisi to show the flag. The humanitarian airlift, with its clear echoes of the Berlin airlift of 1948, is a bracing substantive and public relations move.

According to the Wall Street Journal, the Russians are permitting their Ossetian allies to burn villages, loot, and rob. The Russian soldiers are helping themselves as well. "The whole city is full of marauders," said one eyewitness who fled Gori. "Who in the world is going to help us?" wailed one distraught woman, who then answered her own question by sobbing, "Nobody cares."

Americans had already expressed misgivings about Barack Obama's preparedness for the harsh world we inhabit. This laboratory test can only increase that anxiety.

To find out more about Mona Charen and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate Web page at www.creators.com.

Guess ole Mona forgot that the it was the Georgians who got greedy and invaded s. Ossetia and bombed and burned villages, looted and robbed....but they what do you expect from a 'liberal paper'

:rolleyes

Nbadan
08-19-2008, 11:56 PM
Silence over Georgia attacks is a show of moral relativism


The eminent French political scientist Jean-François Revel, who died two years ago at the age of 82, was doubly blessed. He lived long enough to see the death of the Soviet Union — the last great homicidal regime of the 20th Century — but didn't have to see the West shrink before the KGB kleptocracy that grew like a black fungus over its remains.

In his seminal book “How Democracies Perish,” Revel wrote, “Democratic civilization is the first in history to blame itself because another power is working to destroy it.” He was describing the way citizens of Western nations condemned their own societies, their own governments, their own leaders for the hostile and sometimes genocidal acts of communist regimes during the Cold War.

When the Khmer Rouge, for instance, slaughtered more than one million people in pursuit of a communist utopia in Cambodia, quislings like Noam Chomsky — who retains a cult-like status in left-wing intellectual circles and on university campuses — first denied clear evidence of genocide, then placed blame for the atrocities not on Pol Pot and his murderous comrades, but instead on the United States.

“In addition to its external enemy,” Revel wrote, “democracy faces an internal enemy whose right to exist is written into law itself. Totalitarianism liquidates its internal enemies or smashes opposition as soon as it arises.”

I mention Revel's commentary and the pathetic antics of Chomsky a generation ago by way of asking the question: Where are the protestors today? You know, the ones who only a few years ago were marching against unilateral war and regime change. The ones pleading to give peace and the United Nations a chance in Iraq. The ones demanding, “No blood for oil.”

Where are they now as Georgia smolders?

To begin with, any sort of comparison between Saddam Hussein's Iraq and Georgia is obscene. Iraq under the rule of the Hussein family was a mafia crime scene at a national level. Georgia is democratic, not only in the sense that its government derives legitimacy from a relatively free and competitive election, but also in the sense that it is evolving the institutions of a free society.

For those with short attention spans, the government of Mikheil Saakashvili hasn't used chemical weapons on its own people or its neighbors, hasn't slaughtered hundreds of thousands of ethnic and religious minorities in genocidal campaigns, hasn't attempted to conquer or destroy neighboring countries, doesn't provide financial and military support to international terrorists and doesn't throw those suspected of disloyalty into human meatgrinders.

In further regard to this sickening moral relativism, the Russian government of Vladimir Putin did not, as three U.S. administrations did, endure the defiance of 17 U.N. Security Council resolutions over 12 years, the final one — Resolution 1441 in 2002 — unanimously providing the United States and its allies with the mandate to use military power.

Yet now, where are those thousands who took to the streets and signed petitions in the United States, Canada and Europe to protect the monstrous Baath syndicate against this mandate? Where are MoveOn and ANSWER? Where are all those professors and students, actors and artists?Silent — or worse, engaging in the same kind of intellectually dishonest, morally vacuous games that Chomsky did 30 years ago.

Here is a truly unilateral war that really is largely for oil — for the Kremlin to control or destroy the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline, Europe's only major source of Central Asian oil and gas that does not go through Russia. And Russian leaders cite NATO's bombing campaign against Serbia in 1999, not Iraq in 2003, as the precedent for attacking Georgia.

Nevertheless, the usual suspects allege the United States lacks the moral standing to criticize Russia's actions in Georgia because of Iraq. And, as always, the people inclined to blame America first — and only — demonstrate they lack the critical faculties to make such moral judgments.

Gurwitz (http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/Silence_over_Georgia_attacks_is_a_show_of_moral_re lativism.html)

So the moral of the story is - it's alright for democracies to invade territories for the control of oil, especially if they kill a bunch of Ossetians who will never make it to the M$M news, but if the Russians do it, and stick it to the Neo-Cons in the process - Well, that's just wrong I tell ya!

sabar
08-20-2008, 01:23 AM
It's pretty sad how everyone is either sympathizing with Georgia or with Russia when they both slaughtered innocent people.

What is even more sad is no one actually cares about South Ossetia and whether or not they gain independence.

The media has done a very poor job of reporting on the conflict fairly. I suggest people educate themselves on how the events transpired and ignore all the propaganda painting one side as evil.

MannyIsGod
08-20-2008, 02:36 AM
It's pretty sad how everyone is either sympathizing with Georgia or with Russia when they both slaughtered innocent people.

What is even more sad is no one actually cares about South Ossetia and whether or not they gain independence.

The media has done a very poor job of reporting on the conflict fairly. I suggest people educate themselves on how the events transpired and ignore all the propaganda painting one side as evil.

Exactly.

Ya Vez
08-20-2008, 06:03 AM
Dan has lord messiah obama called for a invasion .. and when do we invade...

Wild Cobra
08-20-2008, 04:07 PM
It's pretty sad how everyone is either sympathizing with Georgia or with Russia when they both slaughtered innocent people.

What is even more sad is no one actually cares about South Ossetia and whether or not they gain independence.

The media has done a very poor job of reporting on the conflict fairly. I suggest people educate themselves on how the events transpired and ignore all the propaganda painting one side as evil.

Very true. I did some research on this and couldn't come to an adaquate conclusion myself. It seems to me it is Ossetia causing the problems with Georgia trying to quel violence. However, that is not firm in my mind. They want to succeed, and it is not recognized by Georgia or the UN. Ossetia has resorted to terrorism. However, the extent seems small. Really not enough solid information coming from the region, but they have a history of almost 100 years of conflict already.

cool hand
08-20-2008, 08:40 PM
start shit, win an election, everything is going as planned.

DarkReign
08-21-2008, 11:32 AM
start shit, win an election, everything is going as planned.

...about all I got out of it as well.

RandomGuy
08-21-2008, 11:34 AM
So much bullshit so little time....l

The 3 a.m. Phone Call Is Real



To find out more about Mona Charen and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate Web page at www.creators.com.

Guess ole Mona forgot that the it was the Georgians who got greedy and invaded s. Ossetia and bombed and burned villages, looted and robbed....but they what do you expect from a 'liberal paper'

:rolleyes

Most of the bombing and burning was on the Russian side.

The Russians claimed about 1600+ casualties on the civilian side, and when NGO's actually went in and talked to hospitals and scouted villages, the figure came out to be... dozens.

Since then the Russians have let the ossetians burn houses and expel (or worse) any ethnic Georgians AND expanded their "security parameter" well beyond the territorial borders of S. Ossetia.

IceColdBrewski
08-21-2008, 11:58 AM
Guess ole Mona forgot that the it was the Georgians who got greedy and invaded s. Ossetia and bombed and burned villages, looted and robbed....but they what do you expect from a 'liberal paper'
:rolleyes

Sounds like ole Biden "forgot" as well.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/18/biden_back_from_georgia_speaks.html

Biden:"I left the country convinced that Russia's invasion of Georgia may be the one of the most significant events to occur in Europe since the end of communism. The claims of Georgian atrocities that provided the pretext for Russia's invasion are rapidly being disproved by international observers, and the continuing presence of Russian forces in the country has severe implications for the broader region. The war that began in Georgia is no longer about that country alone. It has become a question of whether and how the West will stand up for the rights of free people throughout the region," Biden said in a statement.

Ooooh. That last part sounds so...Bush-esque. But hey, that's all about to change. Right?

Obam-uh needs to make up his mind. Does he want to run with Bush or against him.

Nbadan
08-21-2008, 10:51 PM
I don't care for Biden or his denial about the invasion of Tskhinvali...

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1272735,00.jpg

By Catherine Belton in Tskhinvali
Published: August 17 2008 20:17 | Last updated: August 17 2008 20:17


The library in Tskhinvali is charred and pockmarked. House after house on the city’s main streets has been hit by rocket fire. And on Telman Street, a residential Jewish quarter just a few hundred yards from the city centre, nearly every home has been reduced to rubble.

Nowhere has suffered more than the South Ossetian capital during this month’s fierce fighting between Russian and Georgian troops for the breakaway enclave.

In Tskhinvali, few residents doubt that the government in Tbilisi began the battle for the city when the Georgian army launched a volley of rocket fire shortly before midnight on August 7. But among the thud of rockets that continued to rain on the town for the next three days, leaving those cowering in cellars shocked and traumatised, few could tell whether Russian bombs also took their toll.

“When you are sitting in a cellar under fire it makes no difference to you who is bombing you. You have no idea. Mainly people were hoping that the Russians would come and get us out. We just wanted to survive,” said Mamuka Tzemashvili, one of the few Georgians still living in the ethnic Ossetian-dominated capital.

Linky (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/dcc5225a-6c86-11dd-96dc-0000779fd18c,dwp_uuid=70662e7c-3027-11da-ba9f-00000e2511c8.html)

That's not to say that the Russians didn't do the same to Gori, but quit denying that what Georgia did was legitimate....

Ocotillo
08-22-2008, 03:54 PM
Dan has lord messiah obama called for a invasion .. and when do we invade...


that's Mr. lord messiah obama to you twerp......