Scola Performance on USA vs Argentina

[wisnub]

USA is the best basketball team in the world. I root for Argentina but I know from the start USA is going to win. USA won as predicted, Ginobili got hurt and only scored 2 points. The most interesting thing of all is Scola scoring 28 points with 11 rebounds against extremely stars loaded USA team. Scars from Rockets trade and "expensive contract" set in again. If only if only....just my feeling though,nothing else....

[Trainwreck2100]

Scola Thread!!!!!!!!!

[Sense]

USA is the best basketball team in the world. I root for Argentina but I know from the start USA is going to win. USA won as predicted, Ginobili got hurt and only scored 2 points. The most interesting thing of all is Scola scoring 28 points with 11 rebounds against extremely stars loaded USA team. Scars from Rockets trade and "expensive contract" set in again. If only if only....just my feeling though,nothing else....

The stars are not known for their defense...

Not even Howard....

[stretch]

i used to bash scola a lot, but that dude can ball. hes never going to be an all star or anything, but a very solid PF in this league. he plays hard, physical, and has heart.

[Deimosfobos]

The Scola trade will never make any sense at all, no matter how you see it.

[endrity]

i used to bash scola a lot, but that dude can ball. hes never going to be an all star or anything, but a very solid PF in this league. he plays hard, physical, and has heart.

I'd say he has a lot of skills too, not athletic ones, but basketball wise the guy is like an encyclopedia. Always knows when to turn, what lanes are available, when the double comes, how to locate the ball in traffic.

In a way he is like Duncan, he wins with his intelligence, not his athleticism. He'll be around the NBA for a long time I think.

[temujin]

Wel, they got Spanoulis in exchange.................

[rayweb_on]

The stars are not known for their defense...

Not even Howard....

jajaja so if he can score vs howard even if haward is not a defensive player ..i dont care...

[Solid D]

I've renamed my depression "Scola".

jk

[whottt]

1. Scola's team got owned...seriously, scoring a bunch of points in a blowout isn't that impressive. It wasn't like Team USA was focused on stopping him, and he scored on broken plays or defenders going to sleep. That's not truly a dominant player. It's Oberto with a scoring touch. Oberto, like he has been every time I have seen him play with Scola, was the much better defensive player.

2. I've seen Scola put up points early in big games before, always, always, coinciding with a choke in the final minutes if the game is close. The Spurs saw this too, because it's what defined him in Europe...that was what made him tradeable, that was what lead to them not categorizing him as a championship caliber player.


He's not the difference in a championship...and Splitter was better.

[rayweb_on]

whottt.. did scola fuck you that hard?

28 vs USA no matter what is 28 vs the best team in the world..you idiot

[ArgSpursFan.]

1. Scola's team got owned...seriously, scoring a bunch of points in a blowout isn't that impressive. It wasn't like Team USA was focused on stopping him, and he scored on broken plays or defenders going to sleep. That's not truly a dominant player. It's Oberto with a scoring touch. Oberto, like he has been every time I have seen him play with Scola, was the much better defensive player.

2. I've seen Scola put up points early in big games before, always, always, coinciding with a choke in the final minutes if the game is close. The Spurs saw this too, because it's what defined him in Europe...that was what made him tradeable, that was what lead to them not categorizing him as a championship caliber player.


He's not the difference in a championship...and Splitter was better.

you won't shup you,don't you fat ass?

[whottt]

whottt.. did scola fuck you that hard?

28 vs USA no matter what is 28 vs the best team in the world..you idiot




No you stupid fuck...it is not. Lots of guys have had similar games against Team USA throughout the years. If you'd been a basketball fan prior to 2003 you'd know this.

Scoring points when your team is getting blown out is meaningless...100%.

[Solid D]

whottt, I saw the game somewhat differently. I saw an outmatched Argentine team without their leader on the floor most of the game, make a good effort to get the game back to 6 just before halftime before the fortunate call Melo got for the foul instead of a block. I saw effort from Scola among bigger players that was similar to the energy that Malik Rose used to bring. At least Scola was able to convert in among the players and the contact in the lane and effort for 2nd chance points.

This time, Argentina was over-matched with or without Manu or Scola.

[Sense]

jajaja so if he can score vs howard even if haward is not a defensive player ..i dont care...

Ok so what's your point?

[rayweb_on]

i see that still hurt you!!!

what about the 20+ points vs usa when they won 4 years ago?????

[rayweb_on]

Ok so what's your point?

if howard is know cus his score talent..and not his D... scola should be know by his scoring talent 28 vs stars!!!

[whottt]

you won't shup you,don't you fat ass?



Tell you what...you stop disgracing the Spurs by putting them in your name, change your name to ArgRocketFan or ArgArgFan...change your team to the Rockets, or even better, "any team wth an Argie on it" or perhaps "Argie point totals are more important than wins"....and I'll shut up about Scrubola.


It's up to you...

[Sense]

i see that still hurt you!!!

what about the 20+ points vs usa when they won 4 years ago?????

lmao

what?

seriously... what?

I mean, what are you saying? I really don't understand you...

es mas hablame español

[Sense]

if howard is know cus his score talent..and not his D... scola should be know by his scoring talent 28 vs stars!!!

That is fucking sad lmao

that didn't make sense I'm sorry

[temujin]

1. Scola's team got owned...seriously, scoring a bunch of points in a blowout isn't that impressive. It wasn't like Team USA was focused on stopping him, and he scored on broken plays or defenders going to sleep. That's not truly a dominant player. It's Oberto with a scoring touch. Oberto, like he has been every time I have seen him play with Scola, was the much better defensive player.

2. I've seen Scola put up points early in big games before, always, always, coinciding with a choke in the final minutes if the game is close. The Spurs saw this too, because it's what defined him in Europe...that was what made him tradeable, that was what lead to them not categorizing him as a championship caliber player.


He's not the difference in a championship...and Splitter was better.

Not to mention Butler.

It's too bad that that to get rid of this looser Scola guy, that got owned yet again today by Chris Bosh, the Spurs had to get rid of a precious asset such as Butler.

[ArgSpursFan.]

Tell you what...you stop disgracing the Spurs by putting them in your name, change your name to ArgRocketFan or ArgArgFan...change your team to the Rockets, or even better, "any team wth an Argie on it" or perhaps "Argie point totals are more important than wins"....and I'll shut up about Scrubola.


It's up to you...

I tell you what,wottt
I'll change mine to ArgArgFan or ArgScolaandManufan and you change yours to ImafaTassSpurFan

deal?fat ass?

[rayweb_on]

lmao

what?

seriously... what?

I mean, what are you saying? I really don't understand you...

es mas hablame español

como eres pendejo...asi kedate en tu pendejez..mecoteee

[Cherry]

Wel, they got Spanoulis in exchange.................

Deal!

...oh wait

[wisnub]

The stars are not known for their defense...

Not even Howard....

I hear you....I just want to add that judging from the way they play they try hard to play D all the time because they want to win with highest margin possible....and they got TAYSHAUN PRINCE which is a defense specialist. I saw Lebron Jalmes blocking shots and racking rebound, in my opinion LBJ is underrated in defense although i understand his main talent is offense and athletic ability. Kobe also improved in defense although not significant. I know they dont put all defense specialist there, but I think its proper to give Scola credit for what he done today. After all its difficult to put double double against an All star team.

[ArgSpursFan.]

hay estos mejicanos nacidos del otro lado de la frontera :lol

[temujin]

No you stupid fuck...it is not. Lots of guys have had similar games against Team USA throughout the years. If you'd been a basketball fan prior to 2003 you'd know this.

Scoring points when your team is getting blown out is meaningless...100%.

Damn right.

That's why smart Oberto -Mr. $ 10.500.000 for 3 years- scored 2 points.
He knew beforehand what was going to happen.

Oberto is going to score 45 against Lithania.
Like in the first game they played...........

[Sense]

como eres pendejo...asi kedate en tu pendejez..mecoteee

pendejo? hahahaha aprende basketbol.

Entre mas hablen los Argentinos mas se miran mal, nomas callense el osico y admitan que perdieron contra un equipo mejor.

Si lo mejor que puedes sacar de la victoria es que Scola agarro puntos aunque aya perdido for 20, entonces alegrate por eso, nos das riza

[whottt]

whottt, I saw the game somewhat differently. I saw an outmatched Argentine team without their leader on the floor most of the game, make a good effort to get the game back to 6 just before halftime before the fortunate call Melo got for the foul instead of a block. I saw effort from Scola among bigger players that was similar to the energy that Malik Rose used to bring. At least Scola was able to convert in among the players and the contact in the lane and effort for 2nd chance points.

This time, Argentina was over-matched with or without Manu or Scola.

I saw Team USA putting out less mental effort to win this game than they did against Angola. I saw Scola doing what he always does...he's like Oberto only with a better scoring touch, maybe more agressive.

But the bottom line is that the Spurs had this guy in their system for 5 years and watched him inside out...and I know they saw the same things in him in Europe that I did. He's not a difference maker...he's not near as valuable as people think he is..and Splitter was the one to keep based on what was shown.

This guy gets pulled for his D by Rick Adelman...You cannot hide his defensive liabilities, and Pop is not going to chuck his defense for anyone...

I think the Spurs traded Scola for a reason...I think Pop traded him for a reason. It's not like Pop was a stranger to him...Pop got to see him up close and personal in 2004.

[ArgSpursFan.]

I tell you what,wottt
I'll change mine to ArgArgFan or ArgScolaandManufan and you change yours to ImafaTassSpurFan

deal?fat ass?

yes or no?

[Sense]

I hear you....I just want to add that judging from the way they play they try hard to play D all the time because they want to win with highest margin possible....and they got TAYSHAUN PRINCE which is a defense specialist. I saw Lebron Jalmes blocking shots and racking rebound, in my opinion LBJ is underrated in defense although i understand his main talent is offense and athletic ability. Kobe also improved in defense although not significant. I know they dont put all defense specialist there, but I think its proper to give Scola credit for what he done today. After all its difficult to put double double against an All star team.


I think this is partially why they didn't look well today, they're just trying too hard to play good defense and they kept getting a lot of fouls... the way I see this is that someone needed to come big for Argentina, and it couldn't be Ginobili.. it was almost a must for Scola to do so, and he did...


There shouldn't really be that big of a deal

[rayweb_on]

pendejo? hahahaha aprende basketbol.

Entre mas hablen los Argentinos mas se miran mal, nomas callense el osico y admitan que perdieron contra un equipo mejor.

Si lo mejor que puedes sacar de la victoria es que Scola agarro puntos aunque aya perdido for 20, entonces alegrate por eso, nos das riza

y tu q sabes de basket imbecil?
jajaja

[whottt]

Damn right.

That's why smart Oberto -Mr. $ 10.500.000 for 3 years- scored 2 points.
He knew beforehand what was going to happen.

Oberto is going to score 45 against Lithania.
Like in the first game they played...........



More to the game than scoring points.....take a look at the scoreboard if you don't believe.

[Sense]

hay estos mejicanos nacidos del otro lado de la frontera :lol

La verdad pense que la mayoria de los Argentinos sabian de lo que estaban hablando, y no saldrian aniñados... pero pense mal...

estas dando un mal ejemplo de Spurs fan, que la verdad no eres, y de Argentinos en general...

Ya no llores, vete a dormir, quitatelo de la mente

[Sense]

y tu q sabes de basket imbecil?
jajaja

Me diste la razon...

[rayweb_on]

Me diste la razon...

??? ni sabes de basket, ni eres fan, ni de spurs ni de argentina, si lo fueras te daria gusto ver a algun miembro del ekipo jugando bien, te molestaria una mala decision de tus directivos y sabrias reconocer el talento del ekipo al que vences, si no que valor tendria ganar...asi q mas bien eres un pendejo

[temujin]

More to the game than scoring points.....take a look at the scoreboard if you don't believe.

The SCOREboard has POINTS on it.

You get a win if you SCORE more points.

Oberto has Duncan and SCOLA, LUIS Scola, to score them for him.

But he is young.
He will improve............

[Sense]

??? ni sabes de basket, ni eres fan, ni de spurs ni de argentina, si lo fueras te daria gusto ver a algun miembro del ekipo jugando bien, te molestaria una mala decision de tus directivos y sabrias reconocer el talento del ekipo al que vences, si no que valor tendria ganar...asi q mas bien eres un pendejo

No sabes nada de mi....

obviamente soy fan de los Spurs, pero nunca seria fan de Argentina si tiene estupidos como tu en sus tierras....

pero si te digo que si soy fan de Ginobili, porque el me pone en la duda que no todos son tan llorones aya.. pero alamejor por eso lo quieren tanto..

yo no vi este juego como fanatico de los estados unidos... pero tampoco de Argentina, lo que eh visto son unos llorones que estan callendo en trampas de la gente de aqui y siguen con mamadas


cada Argentino que eh visto hoy ah llorado...

con la excepcion de Cherry

[rayweb_on]

No sabes nada de mi....

obviamente soy fan de los Spurs, pero nunca seria fan de Argentina si tiene estupidos como tu en sus tierras....

pero si te digo que si soy fan de Ginobili, porque el me pone en la duda que no todos son tan llorones aya.. pero alamejor por eso lo quieren tanto..

yo no vi este juego como fanatico de los estados unidos... pero tampoco de Argentina, lo que eh visto son unos llorones que estan callendo en trampas de la gente de aqui y siguen con mamadas

osea q mas bien eres pendejo

[Solid D]

Whottt, there you go putting words into Pop's mouth again. Are you really sure the Spurs saw all that? Tiago is not a difference-maker right now, BTW, unless he's playing in the U20 league.

[Typhoon]

pendejo? hahahaha aprende basketbol.

Entre mas hablen los Argentinos mas se miran mal, nomas callense el osico y admitan que perdieron contra un equipo mejor.

Si lo mejor que puedes sacar de la victoria es que Scola agarro puntos aunque aya perdido for 20, entonces alegrate por eso, nos das riza

"Nos das riza" Mexicano puto, donde mierda esta tu equipito de mierda que ni siquiera clasifico y te ríes, ándate a hacerte cojer puto...son tan frustrados ustedes que siempre buscan algo en contra de Argentina por que son unos perdedores en cualquier nivel que vean a su país.

Lo único que queda decir son la gente mas envidiosa y resentidas que he visto...infelices de mierda, no me gusta generalizar pero he visto y leído el resentimiento de estos contra Argentina.

[Sense]

osea q mas bien eres pendejo

Gracias por darme la razon otra vez...

ya no tiene cazo hablar contigo... ten

http://www.cluttercontrolfreak.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/kleenex.jpg

[lefty]

So Gregg Popovich's worst nightmare came to pass.

Do you think he's madder because Manu got hurt or because they kept Oberto and gave away Scola?

[ArgSpursFan.]

No sabes nada de mi....

obviamente soy fan de los Spurs, pero nunca seria fan de Argentina si tiene estupidos como tu en sus tierras....

pero si te digo que si soy fan de Ginobili, porque el me pone en la duda que no todos son tan llorones aya.. pero alamejor por eso lo quieren tanto..

yo no vi este juego como fanatico de los estados unidos... pero tampoco de Argentina, lo que eh visto son unos llorones que estan callendo en trampas de la gente de aqui y siguen con mamadas


cada Argentino que eh visto hoy ah llorado...

con la excepcion de Cherry


STFU and go back to mexico,where you belong to.

[lotr1trekkie]

The Scola trade was predicated on Splitter arriving this year. He is taller, younger and a better fit to play with Tim. I don't think we trade Scola if Splitter had signed last year. That said we need pray that manu doesn't need surgery to fix the ligaments in the ankle.

[Sense]

"Nos das riza" Mexicano puto, donde mierda esta tu equipito de mierda que ni siquiera clasifico y te ríes, ándate a hacerte cojer puto...son tan frustrados ustedes que siempre buscan algo en contra de Argentina por que son unos perdedores en cualquier nivel que vean a su país.

Lo único que queda decir son la gente mas envidiosa y resentidas que he visto...infelices de mierda, no me gusta generalizar pero he visto y leído el resentimiento de estos contra Argentina.



Nunca dije nada de Mexico...

obviamente tu tambien estas llorando... que no vez? Yo no estoy diciendo nada ni estoy de lado de nadie, pero si miro lo obvio, que en este caso es que alguien no sabe perder, lo voy a mensionar...

Ahora, mira lo que me dice tu amigo despues de que le ago una pregunta...


haha pero sabes que... te la doi, tu tambien me tratas de insultar con algo que no sale con el caso...
Pero yo tansiquiera se perder... y admito que Mexico no es bueno en cualquier deporte internacional...

ya maduren

[ArgSpursFan.]

I tell you what,wottt
I'll change mine to ArgArgFan or ArgScolaandManufan and you change yours to ImafaTassSpurFan

deal?fat ass?

yes or no??

deal faty?

[Sense]

STFU and go back to mexico,where you belong to.

:lol

[whottt]

The SCOREboard has POINTS on it.

You get a win if you SCORE more points.


And you can get your asskicked scoring 28 points...would you like a list of the players that have done similarly against Team USA? There's always one...




Oberto has Duncan and SCOLA, LUIS Scola, to score them for him.

But he is young.
He will improve............


Next time Scola makes a difference will be the first......and he better hurry.

[Typhoon]

Nunca dije nada de Mexico...

obviamente tu tambien estas llorando... que no vez? Yo no estoy diciendo nada ni estoy de lado de nadie, pero si miro lo obvio, que en este caso es que alguien no sabe perder, lo voy a mensionar...

Ahora, mira lo que me dice tu amigo despues de que le ago una pregunta...


haha pero sabes que... te la doi, tu tambien me tratas de insultar con algo que no sale con el caso...
Pero yo tansiquiera se perder... y admito que Mexico no es bueno en cualquier deporte internacional...

ya maduren

Aprende a escribir y después hablamos.

Pierden siempre, nunca ganaron nada en su vida, por supuesto que sabes perder, por que nacieron perdedores...

Nosotros no estamos llorando, Argentina hizo un buen esfuerzo contra un equipo superior, y lo manteníamos relativamente cerca sin nuestro mejor jugador, así que el que esta poniendo palabras como un ignorante eres tu, pero que se puede esperar eh.

[Sense]

Aprende a escribir y después hablamos.

Pierden siempre, nunca ganaron nada en su vida, por supuesto que sabes perder, por que nacieron perdedores...

Nosotros no estamos llorando, Argentina hizo un buen esfuerzo contra un equipo superior, y lo manteníamos relativamente cerca sin nuestro mejor jugador, así que el que esta poniendo palabras como un ignorante eres tu, pero que se puede esperar eh.

Aprende a escribir?

Me entiendes no? Es mas que obvio... no se que te hace pensar que escribo español diariamente, Aprendi hace 13 años y nunca lo uso... pero la verdad no me importa..

Nacimos perdedores? En deportes quizas, la verdad estos insultos de raza no me sorprenden, ahora ustedes se miran peores que yo.. y eso no se duda entre los que saben lo que esta pasando..

No estan llorando?
defiendanse todo lo que quieran... pero es mas que obvio.
Este juego fue perdido antes de que empesara...

[whottt]

Whottt, there you go putting words into Pop's mouth again.


Are you saying Pop was unaware he was traded and had no say in whether or not he was traded?

[wisnub]

So Gregg Popovich's worst nightmare came to pass.

Do you think he's madder because Manu got hurt or because they kept Oberto and gave away Scola?

:lol DEFINITELY FOR GIVING AWAY SCOLA and keep Oberto instead!!!! :p:

[wisnub]

I think Manu should be alright...he can got extra rest in preaseason games if necessary

[Typhoon]

Aprende a escribir?

Me entiendes no? Es mas que obvio... no se que te hace pensar que escribo español diariamente, Aprendi hace 13 años y nunca lo uso... pero la verdad no me importa..

Nacimos perdedores? En deportes quizas, la verdad estos insultos de raza no me sorprenden, ahora ustedes se miran peores que yo.. y eso no se duda entre los que saben lo que esta pasando..

No estan llorando?
defiendanse todo lo que quieran... pero es mas que obvio.
Este juego fue perdido antes de que empesara...

En que foro estamos? en un foro de deporte, así que de eso estoy hablando y lo estoy manteniendo en eso, pero la verdad si no lo puedes entender no hay sentido de seguir hablando.

Trata de cambiar el tema lo que quieras pero no cambia el punto que los Mexicanos son la gente mas resentida cuando viene a Argentina en deportes, y no creo que haya ningún Argentino que creyera que Argentina iba a ganar. (que este sano en la cabeza por lo menos)

[baseline bum]

RC Buford = Donnie Nelson :pctoss

[T Park]

RC Buford = Donnie Nelson :pctoss


Uh, no.

[rayweb_on]

Aprende a escribir?

Me entiendes no? Es mas que obvio... no se que te hace pensar que escribo español diariamente, Aprendi hace 13 años y nunca lo uso... pero la verdad no me importa..

Nacimos perdedores? En deportes quizas, la verdad estos insultos de raza no me sorprenden, ahora ustedes se miran peores que yo.. y eso no se duda entre los que saben lo que esta pasando..

No estan llorando?
defiendanse todo lo que quieran... pero es mas que obvio.
Este juego fue perdido antes de que empesara...

[smeagol]

1. Scola's team got owned...seriously, scoring a bunch of points in a blowout isn't that impressive. It wasn't like Team USA was focused on stopping him, and he scored on broken plays or defenders going to sleep. That's not truly a dominant player. It's Oberto with a scoring touch. Oberto, like he has been every time I have seen him play with Scola, was the much better defensive player.

2. I've seen Scola put up points early in big games before, always, always, coinciding with a choke in the final minutes if the game is close. The Spurs saw this too, because it's what defined him in Europe...that was what made him tradeable, that was what lead to them not categorizing him as a championship caliber player.


He's not the difference in a championship...and Splitter was better.

Your Scola takes are reaching duckish kind of levels when he talks about Manu.

Nobody is saying Scola is an AS. People are saying he is a decent player his a lot of heart. He could've ehelped the Spurs. That is all.

[whottt]

Your Scola takes are reaching duckish kind of levels when he talks about Manu.

Nobody is saying Scola is an AS. People are saying he is a decent player his a lot of heart. He could've ehelped the Spurs. That is all.


He's not worth all the bitching that has been done on this forum about him...

[smeagol]

He's not worth all the bitching that has been done on this forum about him...

Agreed.

But IMO the FO made a mistake.

[ArgSpursFan.]

your not worth to read or listen to,you fat ass

loose some weight and comeback,them we'll talk SPORTS again,fatty

[Sense]

En que foro estamos? en un foro de deporte, así que de eso estoy hablando y lo estoy manteniendo en eso, pero la verdad si no lo puedes entender no hay sentido de seguir hablando.

Trata de cambiar el tema lo que quieras pero no cambia el punto que los Mexicanos son la gente mas resentida cuando viene a Argentina en deportes, y no creo que haya ningún Argentino que creyera que Argentina iba a ganar. (que este sano en la cabeza por lo menos)


Es obvio que este foro es de los Spurs... no vez eso tu?

Por algo no se mensiona soccer aqui, haha..

Yo no cambio el tema, lo hacen ustedes..
primero con pendejo, etc.. y luego con raza..

Ami la verdad no me importa si Argentina es mejor que Mexico en soccer, porque se la posicion de Mexico en el deporte...

Ahora tambien me tratas de insultar con grammatica...

Nada de esto tiene que ver con el juego...
Rencor?
no tengo ninguno, pero tu incinuas que si, ok.. tu me has de conocer no?

yo ignorante?

heh

[ArgSpursFan.]

Es obvio que este foro es de los Spurs... no vez eso tu?

Por algo no se mensiona soccer aqui, haha..

Yo no cambio el tema, lo hacen ustedes..
primero con pendejo, etc.. y luego con raza..

Ami la verdad no me importa si Argentina es mejor que Mexico en soccer, porque se la posicion de Mexico en el deporte...

Ahora tambien me tratas de insultar con grammatica...

Nada de esto tiene que ver con el juego...
Rencor?
no tengo ninguno, pero tu incinuas que si, ok.. tu me has de conocer no?

yo ignorante?

heh

callate ya mojado de mierda

Anda a secarte los pantalones,todavia no se secaron de cuando pasaste ilegalmente el Rio.

[Sense]

callate ya mojado de mierda

Anda a secarte los pantalones,todavia no se secaron de cuando pasaste ilegalmente el Rio.

:lol

[Brox6]

forget Scola..its been 1 yr already:bang

[wisnub]

I AGREE...SCOLA CAN HELP SPURS, too bad Fo thinks differently. i understand we think we got Splitter at that time, but still letting such guy walk for virtually nothing (not close amount of exchange) hurt us

[T Park]

forget Scola..its been 1 yr already:bang

Ha.

Good luck with that.

Some losers just can't move on with their lives.

[Typhoon]

Es obvio que este foro es de los Spurs... no vez eso tu?

Por algo no se mensiona soccer aqui, haha..

Yo no cambio el tema, lo hacen ustedes..
primero con pendejo, etc.. y luego con raza..

Ami la verdad no me importa si Argentina es mejor que Mexico en soccer, porque se la posicion de Mexico en el deporte...

Ahora tambien me tratas de insultar con grammatica...

Nada de esto tiene que ver con el juego...
Rencor?
no tengo ninguno, pero tu incinuas que si, ok.. tu me has de conocer no?

yo ignorante?

heh

Todavía sigues sin entender eh...no es tan difícil.

No tiene sentido en seguir hablando con una persona que no tiene la menor idea, nunca mencione a futbol... me refería al equipo de México en basketball que no clasifico, si lees todos mis post aquí todos son referidos a basket pero a lo mejor no puedes ver eso, y la verdad me importa un carajo.

Pero ya esta, la verdad no tiene sentido seguir hablando, lo único que haces es repetir lo mismo, lo que no entiendo es por que haces comentarios idiotas al principio y no esperas respuestas entupidas de algunos Argentinos y después procedes diciendo que estamos llorando, es como que lo estabas planeando para romperle las bolas a algunos por tu resentimiento, y aparte que te importa, es obvio que no eres de Estados Unidos y Argentino, por que te metes y provocas eh.

[Sense]

el punto que los Mexicanos son la gente mas resentida cuando viene a Argentina en deportes,\)


La verdad no creo que ningun Mexicano se acuerde de algun juego de basketbol entre Argentina y Mexico...

Por eso, estas hablando de soccer.. no hay duda...

Enseñame lo que causo esto....

porque lo primero que yo vi fue pendejo...
y te digo algo? No vino de mi...

No tiene cazo hablar contigo tampoco...

Pero se que la mayoria de ustedes van a ver esto en algunos diaz y se van a acordar.

Y me meto porque este es un foro de los Spurs, y lo que estoy viendo son trolls....

Nos vemos amigo :)

[ChumpDumper]

Did ArgScolaFan ever figure out if Scola won Euroleague MVP for more than one month?

[wisnub]

ALL HAIL FEDOR " THE LAST EMPEROR" EMELIANENKO...best in MMA

[urunobili]

the day Manu goes down whottt going all out on this thread... lame

[rascal]

And you can get your asskicked scoring 28 points...would you like a list of the players that have done similarly against Team USA? There's always one...





Next time Scola makes a difference will be the first......and he better hurry.

I don't remember you saying Scola sucked before the spurs traded him.

[T Park]

I don't remember you saying Scola sucked before the spurs traded him.

Then you had your head up your ass during that time.

Oh wait.....

[DaDakota]

Thank you guys so much for Scola, his basketball mind is off the charts, and he never stops hustling.

Did you see that Punk Melo try to get in his head, all Luis did was bear down, keep rebounding, keep hitting jumpers, keep blocking shots, and keep scoring.

The guy is a godsend for us Rocket fans....he reminds me of Craig Biggio and Jeff Bagwell, players who play hard all the time, they play the game the right way.

Luis is like that, he plays the game the right way.

Let's see how he does against Lithuania, he may be their only offensive weapon.

DD

[Oh, Gee!!]

He's not the difference in a championship...and Splitter was better.

thanks for bringing up splitter.

[E20]

Scola was fucking great. He is a good player. I don't care what Spurs fans say in trying to defend the FO. The fucked up and traded a good player. Argentina was in it with Manu out and and a big portion of it was thanks to Scola. Bottomline:

Scola is a good player
Spurs FO fucked up in trading him.
Pop even admitted.
I'm pissed he ain't on the team
BUT FUCK
End of Story.

Pop is probably spitting his lungs our righ tnow lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Scola was fucking great. He is a good player. I don't care what Spurs fans say in trying to defend the FO. The fucked up and traded a good player. Argentina was in it with Manu out and and a big portion of it was thanks to Scola. Bottomline:

Scola is a good player
Spurs FO fucked up in trading him.
Pop even admitted.
I'm pissed he ain't on the team
BUT FUCK
End of Story.

Pop is probably spitting his lungs our righ tnow lmao
I suggest you say that in three other threads.

[E20]

I suggest you say that in three other threads.

I'm actually going to say that in every thread about argentina vs usa

scola fucking amazed me. nice to you know you read my posts.

k thx for playing buh bye

[ChumpDumper]

Argentina lost.

[E20]

Argentina lost.

Put an asterisk there.

k thx for playing buh bye

[ChumpDumper]

Scola is not a Spur and there is nothing you can do about it.

[E20]

actually chump this is the 2nd post I made about scola. I wasn't really spamming the board with scola posts only 1 thread which was about manu.

[E20]

Scola is not a Spur and there is nothing you can do about it.

that's why i said:
BUT FUCK
END OF STORY

[ChumpDumper]

that's why i said:
BUT FUCK
END OF STORYBut it's not really the end if you plan to keep posting about it.

[E20]

But it's not really the end if you plan to keep posting about it.

actually it is. becaue the dynamics of this post are brilliant. it is more of a decree rather than conversing with another member on the board. it is the ultimate finisher to any debate about scola. i have placed this burden on my self to post this phrase in any thread about scola and the spurs fo to end the debate by summing all the facts up in three lines (Scolas Good, Spurs fucked up, End of Story) so the dialouge in the thread is done. this dialouge should be done, but someone here is a nagging nanny.............(chump).

[ChumpDumper]

But that has been decided for months, so all your posts are superfluous.

[E20]

But that has been decided for months, so all your posts are superfluous.
read the post lmao any thread that is talking about scola and the spurs fo I post that in. so there you go. plus it seems that people need to be reminded because every month or so a scola and fo thread pop up.

[Bruno]

Scola threads = http://www.kofex.sk/csfd/fNeverendingStory02.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

read the post lmao any thread that is talking about scola and the spurs fo I post that in. so there you go. plus it seems that people need to be reminded because every month or so a scola and fo thread pop up.Not really. No one ever learns anything from them.

[Anti.Hero]

man I loved that movie

[E20]

Not really. No one ever learns anything from them.

that's why i need to remind everybody with my decree in every thread. but you know how people are now-a-days they never wanna give up and want to have the last word in a thread. (chump)

[GuerillaBlack]

http://www.chiviljoven.com.ar/deportes/basquet/mundial/Basquet%20Atenas%202004%20Scola%20Dunk.jpg

"He's a beast, he's a dog, he's a mother fucking problem!"

:toast

[ChumpDumper]

that's why i need to remind everybody with my decree in every thread. but you know how people are now-a-days they never wanna give up and want to have the last word in a thread. (chump)So now you are complaining that you can't have the last word in the thread?

Why is that important to you?

[E20]

So now you are complaining that you can't have the last word in the thread?

Why is that important to you?
LMAO no i'm not complainig ROFL

i simply saying that people normally in any thread on st want the last word and if you think you're not like this then i presume you will not respond any more on this topic.

[ChumpDumper]

LMAO no i'm not complainig ROFL

i simply saying that people normally in any thread on st want the last word and if you think you're not like this then i presume you will not respond any more on this topic.That's a pretty big presumption. I think of myself as more of a thread killer than anything.

[ArgSpursFan.]

So now you are complaining that you can't have the last word in the thread?

Why is that important to you?

and why is that so important to you champ??

since you always try to have the last word on every thread,even if your arguments are pointless.
that's even worst

[mavs>spurs2]

Whottt is kicking sore losing Argentinian ass all over the board today

[E20]

That's a pretty big presumption. I think of myself as more of a thread killer than anything.

Really? I alwasy thought of you as trying to do this in threads:

A) Make a bigger connection to simpler ideas
B) Correcting any mistakes (ESPECIALLY ABOUT THe TOROS LOL I always find this funny)
C) Usually combatting against people who are/sound unreasonable
D) If C doesn't work you just fuck around with them
E) Engaging Whottt(usually) or somebody else in debate

[ChumpDumper]

Those may be what I try to do but thread death is the result.

Which one do you think I'm doing with you now?

[E20]

Actually I am fucking around with YOU and YOU are wasting YOUR time. You may think vice versa, but....................................sorry:depre ssed


thanks for playing!

[ChumpDumper]

You're just trying to get in the last word.

[E20]

You're just trying to get in the last word.

no you are

[E20]

actually i am trying to get the last word in. RFOL

[jay014]

I tell you what
I'll change mine to Argnuthugger or isuckScolaandManucock and you change yours to ImafaTassSpurFan

deal?fat ass?

deal! cocksucker

[Kamnik]

Scola was fucking great. He is a good player. I don't care what Spurs fans say in trying to defend the FO. The fucked up and traded a good player. Argentina was in it with Manu out and and a big portion of it was thanks to Scola. Bottomline:

Scola is a good player
Spurs FO fucked up in trading him.
Pop even admitted.
I'm pissed he ain't on the team
BUT FUCK
End of Story.

Pop is probably spitting his lungs our righ tnow lmao

/thread




btw people... learn to ignore whott

[Allanon]

Pop and RC probably cringe every time they hear the word Scola.

Everybody knows that was "the one that got away". Rockets are on major rise this year with TMac, Yao, Artest, Scola, Alston and Battier.

I wouldn't be very surprised if Rockets end up a top 3 team.

[ArgSpursFan.]

deal! cocksucker

what's up with your gay statements all the time dude??

don't you have something else in your gay mind tham suck coks???


be more creative dude,or just keep sucking coks,or whatever,but don't bother straight people

[ChumpDumper]

be more creative dude:lol

[whottt]

the day Manu goes down whottt going all out on this thread... lame


It's truly unfortunate that Manu went down...however that has nothing to do with Scola, nor does it change my opinion about anything concerning Team USA VS Argentina...why should it?


I've always liked Manu, I've always disliked Scola...Manu being injured changes nothing.

[The Franchise]

I've always liked Manu, I've always disliked Scola...Manu being injured changes nothing.

This explains it all. There should be nothing else to debate.

[timvp]

It was hard to watch Scola playing so well against NBA players. He was awesome. Anyone who says anything different is a hater. Scola was one of the top five players on the court. He was great.

In fact, Argentina played a whole lot better when they ran their offense through Scola instead of Manu. Manu was in chunk three-pointers mode while Scola was scoring on the low block, demanding double-teams and passing well.

That was one of the best games I've ever seen Scola play. The thing I liked best was that he was under control the whole game. He can sometimes hurt his level of play by getting too emotional and overexcited. But he held it together and put on a great show.

It's just sickening to know the Spurs gave him away. I still can't believe it to this day. He's improving and learning how to play against NBA talent ... just like all Arg players. He's not going to be an All-Star but he's going to be damn good.

The part that really made me almost start vomiting was watching how well he plays the pick and roll defensively. His lateral quickness is much improved and he can now stay in front of quick perimeter players. He was isolated against the likes of LeBron James and Dwyane Wade and they couldn't take him off the dribble. Scola deserves props for getting in better shape and upping his agility in the last year. The Spurs don't have a bigman who can play against the pick and roll anywhere close to as well as Scola can play it.

Let whottt and the other Scola Trade Backers like ChumpDumper and Bruno pretend Scola didn't play great. Anyone else who watched knows what they saw.

:pctoss

[ChumpDumper]

I'm sure Scola played great. He's a very good basketball player.

I was never a backer of a the trade, I just accepted it as a luxury tax casualty. Just as I said, no one ever learns anything in these threads.

[timvp]

I'm sure Scola played great. He's a very good basketball player.

I was never a backer of a the trade, I just accepted it as a luxury tax casualty. Just as I said, no one ever learns anything in these threads.We learn that some people just accept horrible trades because there is a luxury tax threshold even though other trades could have occurred to get below the threshold without giving away a the second best bigman you have the rights to.

[ChumpDumper]

We learn that some people just accept horrible trades because there is a luxury tax threshold even though other trades could have occurred to get below the threshold without giving away a the second best bigman you have the rights to.Name the trades that were on the table in the window that Scola was a free agent. I seriously don't know of any others.

[timvp]

Name the trades that were on the table in the window that Scola was a free agent.

:lol Nice try.

I'm not even going to get on this merry-go-round. timvp names the moves the Spurs could have done to get under the threshold without gifting Scola. ChumpDumper responds by saying actual tape recorded messages of those moves being accepted by all general managers, players and agents involved are needed.

I've already played that game.

[whottt]

Let whottt and the other Scola Trade Backers like ChumpDumper and Bruno pretend Scola didn't play great. Anyone else who watched knows what they saw.



Game wasn't competitive and USA was never seriously challenged...


You want me to show you what Shane Heal did against Team USA?

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Nice try.

I'm not even going to get on this merry-go-round. timvp names the moves the Spurs could have done to get under the threshold without gifting Scola. ChumpDumper responds by saying actual tape recorded messages of those moves being accepted by all general managers, players and agents involved are needed.

I've already played that game.So you're saying there were no other trades on the table in the window where Scola was a free agent.

Game over.

[timvp]

Game wasn't competitive and USA was never seriously challenged...


You want me to show you what Shane Heal did against Team USA?Shane Heal smack. Classic :lmao


So you're saying there were no other trades on the table in the window where Scola was a free agent.

Game over.Link to where I said that?

Game over.

[ChumpDumper]

Link to where I said that?I asked for an alternative trade that was on the table at the time of the Scola trade. You can't or won't produce any evidence of one, so I can safely assume you simply have none.

It wasn't a leading question. I never heard of any other trade being mentioned at the time. I was out of town and off the boards then.

[jay014]

what's up with your gay statements all the time dude??

don't you have something else in your gay mind tham suck coks???


be more creative dude,or just keep sucking coks,or whatever,but don't bother straight people
That's all you do. You were on Scolas' dick for the longest time and now you wanna trade Manu to Denver to be part of the mile high club. Talking about being creative i'm suprised your comeback wasn't something about my mother you prick.

[whottt]

Bottom line is that if I'd known Splitter was going to stay in Europe I wouldn't have been near as supportive of that trade.

That said...

1. I still don't know that Scola didn't force the trade himself.
2. I've never seen anything to show me that the Spurs turned down better offers.
3. Scola is a choker who falters under pressure, as he proved in Europe(and there was no pressure in this game at any point).
4. Scola made no difference to the Rockets.
5. Scola's not good enough to justify all the bitching.
6. He's not young enough to justify all the bitching.
7. Scola's an asshole and has been since the night we drafted him.




:lmao @being a top 5 player on the court.

LeBron, Melo, Howard and Wade? Who were the other 4?

I am going to get Scola in the D-leagues....and we'll see if you truly believe that. I can't wait to pull the trigger on the Scola for Chris Paul deal...and Scola's a better fantasy player than he is a real player.




Tell you what timvp...I am going to aquire Scola in D-League...let's talk.

[The Franchise]

Bottom line is that if I'd known Splitter was going to stay in Europe I wouldn't have been near as supportive of that trade.

That said...

1. I still don't know that Scola didn't force the trade himself.
2. I've never seen anything to show me that the Spurs turned down better offers.
3. Scola is a choker who falters under pressure, as he proved in Europe(and there was no pressure in this game at any point).
4. Scola made no difference to the Rockets.
5. Scola's not good enough to justify all the bitching.
6. He's not young enough to justify all the bitching.
7. Scola's an asshole and has been since the night we drafted him.




:lmao @being a top 5 player on the court.

LeBron, Melo, Howard and Wade? Who were the other 4?

I am going to get Scola in the D-leagues....and we'll see if you truly believe that. I can't wait to pull the trigger on the Scola for Chris Paul deal...and Scola's a better fantasy player than he is a real player.




Tell you what timvp...I am going to aquire Scola in D-League...let's talk.

Hate.

[whottt]

Shane Heal smack. Classic :lmao.

So what, the Olympics only count when you want them too, Sarunas?

[timvp]

I asked for an alternative trade that was on the table at the time of the Scola trade. You can't or won't produce any evidence of one, so I can safely assume you simply have none.Your assumption is about as safe as your assumption the Scola trade was a good and necessary one.

Seriously though, the Spurs weren't in that much luxury tax hurt. All they needed to do was salary dump Butler (Butler + a pick somewhere for nothing), salary dump Beno (like they did), not re-sign Bonner and sign Scola and they would have made it under the threshold. It wasn't like they were in dire straights and trading Scola was their only way to reach salvation.

Perhaps the Spurs wouldn't have had the money to sign 75,000 D-League players for cups of coffee during the year but I think they would have survived.

[ChumpDumper]

Your assumption is about as safe as your assumption the Scola trade was a good and necessary one.And yet you still haven't produced one. Why is that? I wasn't here, you were. What was the trade?


Seriously though, the Spurs weren't in that much luxury tax hurt. All they needed to do was salary dump Butler (Butler + a pick somewhere for nothing), salary dump Beno (like they did), not re-sign Bonner and sign Scola and they would have made it under the threshold. It wasn't like they were in dire straights and trading Scola was their only way to reach salvation.

Perhaps the Spurs wouldn't have had the money to sign 75,000 D-League players for cups of coffee during the year but I think they would have survived.So who was in line to take Butler's deal and a pick for nothing?

[whottt]

Your assumption is about as safe as your assumption the Scola trade was a good and necessary one.

Seriously though, the Spurs weren't in that much luxury tax hurt. All they needed to do was salary dump Butler (Butler + a pick somewhere for nothing), salary dump Beno (like they did), not re-sign Bonner and sign Scola and they would have made it under the threshold. It wasn't like they were in dire straights and trading Scola was their only way to reach salvation.

Perhaps the Spurs wouldn't have had the money to sign 75,000 D-League players for cups of coffee during the year but I think they would have survived.



More like they didn't want to wait a year Scola to adjust to the NBA, and were more concerned with defending their title...and since Splitter would have been available the following year...


I just want you to prove Pop turned down better offers and okayed this trade stupidly...he didn't have to sign Oberto and Bonner.

[Sense]

Thank god ArgSpursFan got banned...

[timvp]

And yet you still haven't produced one. Why is that? I wasn't here, you were. What was the trade?

So who was in line to take Butler's deal and a pick for nothing?I don't remember the exact teams that had trade exceptions or salary cap room, but there were a number of options that were discussed around that time. Even if I went back and searched my posts, you wouldn't believe the trades were possible so it's not worth my time.

How the hell did you bait me on this merry-go-round again. :bang

[timvp]

I just want you to prove Pop turned down better offers and okayed this trade stupidly...he didn't have to sign Oberto and Bonner.It was an RC trade. Pop was on vacation. Pop was pissed about the trade almost right away. You don't remember the articles last year in preseason where he was pissed? And during the regular season where Pop said watching Scola on the Rockets made him "spit"?

[ChumpDumper]

I don't remember the exact teams that had trade exceptions or salary cap room, but there were a number of options that were discussed around that time. Even if I went back and searched my posts, you wouldn't believe the trades were possible so it's not worth my time.

How the hell did you bait me on this merry-go-round again. :bangI figure an actual offer would have been quite easy to remember. Stuff we make up here is quite forgettable, I agree.

[Sense]

I figure an actual offer would have been quite easy to remember. Stuff we make up here is quite forgettable, I agree.

lol 1-0 Chump

[timvp]

I figure an actual offer would have been quite easy to remember. Stuff we make up here is quite forgettable, I agree.

People tend to block tragic events from memory.

http://alices-animations.com/00images2/twohorsecarousel3sm.gif

[DPG21920]

http://www.discounthealthproducts.co.uk/images/aspirin325.jpg

[The Franchise]

http://www.discounthealthproducts.co.uk/images/aspirin325.jpg

:lmao

[timvp]

I figure an actual offer would have been quite easy to remember. Stuff we make up here is quite forgettable, I agree.Alright, I went back and looked. Butler and a first to the T'Wolves for nothing. Beno to the Clippers for one of their partially guaranteed contracts. Sign Scola instead of Bonner.

Luxury tax freedom. Now tell me why this wasn't possible.

Thanks.


http://alices-animations.com/00images2/twohorsecarousel3sm.gif

:lol

That made me laugh. Good one.

[timvp]

Now tell me why this wasn't possible.

Thanks.
Silence?

Game over.

[whottt]

It was an RC trade. Pop was on vacation. Pop was pissed about the trade almost right away.

Link? And whose fault was it that Pop was on vacation?





You don't remember the articles last year in preseason where he was pissed? And during the regular season where Pop said watching Scola on the Rockets made him "spit"?

I definitely remember that article...

Pop said he was pissed he was with the Rockets. Pop didn't say he didn't want to trade Scola. Pop didn't say they turned down better offers. Pop didn't say he didn't okay the trade. There are a many ways you can take what Pop said...

First and foremost was that was the best they could do........

Otherwise...

What you are saying is that Pop believed Scola was a great player and in the 5 years he was in the Spurs system never conveyed this to RC..and so RC cluelessly traded him without ever discussing Scola with Pop or consulting with him before the trade...


Are you seriously making that claim?

[ChumpDumper]

Alright, I went back and looked. Butler and a first to the T'Wolves for nothing. Beno to the Clippers for one of their partially guaranteed contracts. Sign Scola instead of Bonner.

Luxury tax freedom. Now tell me why this wasn't possible.

Thanks.Tim Duncan for Rashard Lewis straight up is possible.

You're welcome.

When I asked what trade was on the table, I didn't mean what had been dreamed up on this board.

[timvp]

Tim Duncan for Rashard Lewis straight up is possible.

You're welcome.WTF does that even mean? :lmao

Got owned and then throw some wild curve ball to try cause a distraction.

I'll be back to deal with your response and whottt's lack of research later.

Bye.

[Sense]

Hey Whottt bring back the Romain Sato avatar

[DPG21920]

http://www.siggraph.org/publications/newsletter/v33n4/columns/images/rouse3.jpg

[timvp]

When I asked what trade was on the table, I didn't mean what had been dreamed up on this board.
I told you. You want taped conversations. You owe me my five carnival tickets for getting on this merry-go-round.

Damn it, I knew better. Logical trades don't work. CD requires actual voice audio links.

Alright, this time I'm leaving.

Bye.

[ChumpDumper]

WTF does that even mean? :lmao

Got owned and then throw some wild curve ball to try cause a distraction.

I'll be back to deal with your response and whottt's lack of research later.

Bye.possible <> on the table

I showed you a trade that was possible, but in no way ever been on the table.

Maybe you have deluded yourself into thinking your posts here constitute published reports of trade rumors; that could just be an extension of the whole referring to yourself in the third person thing.

ChumpDumper asked what other trades were on the table during the window Scola was a free agent. timvp cited his own make believe transaction post as a source for a trade that was on the table.

[Mr. Body]

When Scola was traded my respect for the front office started fading.

[Solid D]

Bottom line is that if I'd known Splitter was going to stay in Europe I wouldn't have been near as supportive of that trade.

Splitter's never been as good as Scola. All you have to do is watch the Tau games that are available to us and see that Splitter has always had great physical attributes but he falls short in the intensity and execution departments. Mr. Potential.

Scola is energy, intensity, effort and skill. He is a great role player. The only thing he lacks is size at the 4. Yeah, Timmy plays the 4 too but most of the time, now, he's the tallest Spur on the floor.

He played well when the Rockets move Luis to the starting 4.... oddly coinciding with a 20+ game win streak. Luis isn't an All-Star, but I know what I see. He's the guy finding the seams and cutting to open spots for easy reverse layups. He's the guy setting nice, physical picks and getting a rebound between three other players with more hops or height.

The Spurs made a bad call and now they have to live with it.

[mystargtr34]

Luis Scola is an absolute stud, he'll be more valuable then Manu in 2 years

[MB20]

The Spurs made a bad call and now they have to live with it.

:toast
[/thread]

[mystargtr34]

Splitter's never been as good as Scola. All you have to do is watch the Tau games that are available to us and see that Splitter has always had great physical attributes but he falls short in the intensity and execution departments. Mr. Potential.

Scola is energy, intensity, effort and skill. He is a great role player. The only thing he lacks is size at the 4. Yeah, Timmy plays the 4 too but most of the time, now, he's the tallest Spur on the floor.

He played well when the Rockets move Luis to the starting 4.... oddly coinciding with a 20+ game win streak. Luis isn't an All-Star, but I know what I see. He's the guy finding the seams and cutting to open spots for easy reverse layups. He's the guy setting nice, physical picks and getting a rebound between three other players with more hops or height.

The Spurs made a bad call and now they have to live with it.

Exactly, Oberto is barely an inch taller then Scola, Duncan pretty much plays center these days for the Spurs - i would even say Scola is a more mobile defender than Oberto - and just absolutely shits all over him in the offensive side of the game.

What i dont understand is how 90% of the posters on here saw what we had and how excited everyone was, and somehow the FO fucks up and trades him for a bit of cap relief and to unload a 'terrible' contract.

[Ice009]

1. Scola's team got owned...seriously, scoring a bunch of points in a blowout isn't that impressive. It wasn't like Team USA was focused on stopping him, and he scored on broken plays or defenders going to sleep. That's not truly a dominant player. It's Oberto with a scoring touch. Oberto, like he has been every time I have seen him play with Scola, was the much better defensive player.

2. I've seen Scola put up points early in big games before, always, always, coinciding with a choke in the final minutes if the game is close. The Spurs saw this too, because it's what defined him in Europe...that was what made him tradeable, that was what lead to them not categorizing him as a championship caliber player.


He's not the difference in a championship...and Splitter was better.

Whottt, seriously man can you say that Scola would not have helped us for 15-20 minutes a game? You might be right about his crunch time performances as I didn't watch him play in Europe much, but the guy could have really helped us off the bench late in the first quarter, early second, mid third quarter when we go on huge scoring droughts. Who said anything about having to play him in crunch time? He really could have helped in those early game situations.

Also, If the Spurs chose Matt Bonner over him, again what does Matt Bonner do in crunch time? He's totally useless in those situations too. The only difference is that Scola would probably provide more in the middle of the game than Matt could. You've gotta say that the Spurs may have fucked up on this one.

[ploto]

The dumbest part about the Scola trade is that the Spurs did not even unload a big contract in it. Butler had one year and a couple million, IIRC. It's not like they used him to unload that awful contract of Rasho's :D

[ChumpDumper]

2 million = 4 million for a guy who retired at the age of 22.

And Rasho thread!

[Ice009]

It was hard to watch Scola playing so well against NBA players. He was awesome. Anyone who says anything different is a hater. Scola was one of the top five players on the court. He was great.

In fact, Argentina played a whole lot better when they ran their offense through Scola instead of Manu. Manu was in chunk three-pointers mode while Scola was scoring on the low block, demanding double-teams and passing well.

That was one of the best games I've ever seen Scola play. The thing I liked best was that he was under control the whole game. He can sometimes hurt his level of play by getting too emotional and overexcited. But he held it together and put on a great show.

It's just sickening to know the Spurs gave him away. I still can't believe it to this day. He's improving and learning how to play against NBA talent ... just like all Arg players. He's not going to be an All-Star but he's going to be damn good.

The part that really made me almost start vomiting was watching how well he plays the pick and roll defensively. His lateral quickness is much improved and he can now stay in front of quick perimeter players. He was isolated against the likes of LeBron James and Dwyane Wade and they couldn't take him off the dribble. Scola deserves props for getting in better shape and upping his agility in the last year. The Spurs don't have a bigman who can play against the pick and roll anywhere close to as well as Scola can play it.

Let whottt and the other Scola Trade Backers like ChumpDumper and Bruno pretend Scola didn't play great. Anyone else who watched knows what they saw.

:pctoss


That's exactly what I saw. Scola was FREAKING AWESOME. I didn't watch Scola play in Europe at all and so at the start of last season I listened to the more knowledgeable posters on Spurstalk and thought they knew what they were talking about. After I saw Scola play in the Olympic qualifiers though I really felt the Spurs screwed up with that one.

[Ice009]

Bottom line is that if I'd known Splitter was going to stay in Europe I wouldn't have been near as supportive of that trade.

That said...

1. I still don't know that Scola didn't force the trade himself.

Ahh didn't Scola say something like "It would have been lovely for me to play 10-15 minutes a game behind Tim Duncan"

Going by those comments after he was traded to the Rockets I doubt that he forced the trade at all. It sounds to me like he was willing to play garbage time minutes to prove himself and play for the Spurs. He could have just said that though to smooth things over, but I think he wanted to play for the team.

[Ice009]

When Scola was traded my respect for the front office started fading.

I'd have to agree. When I saw that trade I think that's the point when I started questioning the front office, especially RC Buford and Peter Holt.

[SequSpur]

Signed the Luis Scola Spurs Fan Club.

:bang

[SequSpur]

How in the fuck do you not sign Luis Scola and trade him to the fucking Rockets? Who owns this fucking team, somebody needs to check their nuts and start kicking some ass around here.

[T Park]

No cussing in the thread title idiot.

[DespЏrado]

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[SequSpur]

No cussing in the thread title idiot.

What I said was....

Suck My Balls... Mr. Garrison

[Solid D]

http://www.gearsandwidgets.com/external/wherethisthreadgoing.jpg

:rollin

[honestfool84]

What I said was....

Suck My Balls... Mr. Garrison


i think its a safe bet to say that sequspur is the most mature poster on the board..

[SequSpur]

i think its a safe bet to say that sequspur is the most mature poster on the board..

yeah, got hair on my balls. how's that?

[Solid D]

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[SequSpur]

DM5Z6gJlhL0

[Solid D]

Drink much?

[Tully365]

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yeah, got hair on my balls. how's that?

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[anakha]

That was merged pretty quick. :lol

[Tully365]

How in the fuck do you not sign Luis Scola and trade him to the fucking Rockets? Who owns this fucking team, somebody needs to check their nuts and start kicking some ass around here.

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[wisnub]

I never thought this topic will be popular as helll...

[Solid D]

How in the **** do you not sign Luis Scola and trade him to the ******* Rockets? Who owns this ******* team, somebody needs to check their nuts and start kicking some *** around here.

"Arrives-at-party-drunk-as-hosts-are-getting-ready-for-bed Guy".

[whottt]

Splitter's never been as good as Scola. All you have to do is watch the Tau games that are available to us and see that Splitter has always had great physical attributes but he falls short in the intensity and execution departments. Mr. Potential.

Scola is energy, intensity, effort and skill. He is a great role player. The only thing he lacks is size at the 4. Yeah, Timmy plays the 4 too but most of the time, now, he's the tallest Spur on the floor.

He played well when the Rockets move Luis to the starting 4.... oddly coinciding with a 20+ game win streak. Luis isn't an All-Star, but I know what I see. He's the guy finding the seams and cutting to open spots for easy reverse layups. He's the guy setting nice, physical picks and getting a rebound between three other players with more hops or height.

The Spurs made a bad call and now they have to live with it.

Solid, I remember you and I having this debate during the winning streak and I remember 21 games in or so I looked at the Rockets past schedule and what the health situation was of the good teams they had beaten, and I then looked at the up and coming schedule and accurately predicted them losing 4 out of the next 7 games based on the frontline matchups, they not only lost to every team I predicted they would lose too, they lost to one I didn't...I looked for you to respond to that and I don't recall you ever doing so. I still stand by my comments about Scola's worth and impact as a player...

Not impressed with Luis Scola.

[cly2tw]

Scola won't be able to play like that in the NBA. This version of dream team is built on speed and disruptive perimeter defense. This inevitably leads to mismatches after switches which Scola admirably exploited. That won't happen often in the NBA.

Actually, this is kind of the ideal team to play DAntoni's ball. You conceed at being dominated inside at times but get more than even on forcing turnovers and getting fastbreak chances. And that's also why DA's system won't win a championship: you can't assemble a team with this kind of star powers in the NBA.

[Tmac&Luther]

1. Scola's team got owned...seriously, scoring a bunch of points in a blowout isn't that impressive. It wasn't like Team USA was focused on stopping him, and he scored on broken plays or defenders going to sleep. That's not truly a dominant player. It's Oberto with a scoring touch. Oberto, like he has been every time I have seen him play with Scola, was the much better defensive player.

2. I've seen Scola put up points early in big games before, always, always, coinciding with a choke in the final minutes if the game is close. The Spurs saw this too, because it's what defined him in Europe...that was what made him tradeable, that was what lead to them not categorizing him as a championship caliber player.


He's not the difference in a championship...and Splitter was better.

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[Tmac&Luther]

Scola won't be able to play like that in the NBA.

http://www.nba.com/games/20080416/LACHOU/boxscore.html

http://www.nba.com/games/20080414/HOUUTA/boxscore.html

http://www.nba.com/games/20080111/MINHOU/boxscore.html

http://www.nba.com/games/20071228/HOUMEM/boxscore.html

http://www.nba.com/games/20071123/HOUMIA/boxscore.html

and against the Spurs

http://www.nba.com/games/20071116/HOUSAS/boxscore.html

http://www.nba.com/games/20080330/HOUSAS/boxscore.html

As well as 14 & 9 in the playoffs while holding Carlos Boozer well below his averages (so there goes Whotts shitty defense theory......didn't really understand that argument anyways, because he's at worst just as good as Oberto defensively, plus he's not a old as dirt, no talent hack like Oberto)

and all of this was just done in his rookie season while he was still making the transition to the NBA.....so YES......

I do think Scola will be able to play like that in the NBA, because he already has. :rolleyes

[Nocioni]

I want Scola for the cavs

[AusSpursFan]

How you can sign Oberto and not Scola? I will never know. Someone really earnt their salary making that decision. But in all seriousness, what is going on in our FO lately? Imagine where we would be if we had signed Scola and not Oberto and more recently drafted Chalmers instead of Hill? It was not like these were tough decisions. I am still hoping to be proven wrong with Hill, but I have my doubts heading into the future with the knowledge that our FO doesn't exactly adopt rationale thought.

[Solid D]

Solid, I remember you and I having this debate during the winning streak and I remember 21 games in or so I looked at the Rockets past schedule and what the health situation was of the good teams they had beaten, and I then looked at the up and coming schedule and accurately predicted them losing 4 out of the next 7 games based on the frontline matchups, they not only lost to every team I predicted they would lose too, they lost to one I didn't...I looked for you to respond to that and I don't recall you ever doing so. I still stand by my comments about Scola's worth and impact as a player...

Not impressed with Luis Scola.

The thread you are referencing is the "Rockets Winning Streak Is Impressive" thread. It wasn't really a debate about Scola. That was the thread where you were saying the Rockets were not a "true" defensive team under Adelman and even though somewhere in there you agreed that the Rockets' winning streak was impressive, they weren't world-beaters. So, even though you agreed with the thread premise, you tried to reset the premise and used all sorts of different slants on why the Rockets weren't a true defensive team.

Then you went off on one of your re-qualifying points that was separate from the topic by saying the Rockets had seen some teams that were missing players and once they played the Celtics, Hornets, Suns and Spurs, they would lose those games. Nobody disagreed with you but you were acting as though people might. The winning streak ended with Boston, and that was the end of the winning streak thread. I responded back to you regarding Boston but there was nothing else really to respond to otherwise. Your prediction was decent but nobody really disagreed with your prediction. It was a non-argued point and everyone moved on.

Your memory of being right about a prediction that nobody disagreed with you about is accurate though.

[DaDakota]

Thanks for the gift Spurs !

;)

Scola doing it against team USA.

gUrK1URGb0g

DD

[Showtime24 LAKERS]

Yall made a dumb trade dude...Scola is a stud!!

[anakha]

Yall made a dumb trade dude...Scola is a stud!!

You're a year behind the times - bashing Ginobili for the injury is the smack du jour this week.

[whottt]

The thread you are referencing is the "Rockets Winning Streak Is Impressive" thread. It wasn't really a debate about Scola. That was the thread where you were saying the Rockets were not a "true" defensive team under Adelman and even though somewhere in there you agreed that the Rockets' winning streak was impressive, they weren't world-beaters. So, even though you agreed with the thread premise, you tried to reset the premise and used all sorts of different slants on why the Rockets weren't a true defensive team.

Then you went off on one of your re-qualifying points that was separate from the topic by saying the Rockets had seen some teams that were missing players and once they played the Celtics, Hornets, Suns and Spurs, they would lose those games. Nobody disagreed with you but you were acting as though people might. The winning streak ended with Boston, and that was the end of the winning streak thread. I responded back to you regarding Boston but there was nothing else really to respond to otherwise. Your prediction was decent but nobody really disagreed with your prediction. It was a non-argued point and everyone moved on.

Your memory of being right about a prediction that nobody disagreed with you about is accurate though.


Hmmm....I seem to recall you citing the Rockets defensive FG% and I seem to recall part of my prediction was that stat, like Scola, would soon prove to be fool's gold...that was the point behind the prediction I made. And so it was...when matched up with a traditional and healthy NBA frontline.

So bring up stats all you want...and I'll keep pointing out the meaninglessness of them based on actual results with accurate predictions made based on the very apparent flaws in Scola's game. He's not near as good as you guys think he is...you guys are just hung up on stats....and I've got the predictions and lack of substantial results, based upon his flaws, to prove it.


You've got stats, and that's all you've got...and it's not like I grossly underpredicted his productution. I predicted he'd put up 9 and 4 on a healthy Rockets Team...he put up 10 and 6 on an injured one, after sucking hard early...and the Rockets didn't get out the first round, and they fared poorly against legitimate NBA frontlines. So far I am more aware of his postives, and his negatives, than his fans are...you guys aren't aware of his negatives at all...and thus our disagreement.

The point of those predictions was not that I was right just for being right...I am usually right, certainly right enough to where it isn't a novelty...the point is those predictions were based upon Scola and his weaknesses.


Not good enough to justify all the bitching done in his name. Not nearly good enough.......

[DaDakota]

The only stat that matters is whether the team wins...Scola helps his team win...everywhere.

DD

[Solid D]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89781

Well, here.
This is the thread you are referring to. I should have just looked it up and posted the link earlier but I was in a hurry to do other things.

It's here for all to see where you were going and then where the rest of us were going with this thread. Let the Forum see it for what it is.

[timvp]

Solid D just curbstomped whottt.

Wow.

[whottt]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89781

Well, here.
This is the thread you are referring to. I should have just looked it up and posted the link earlier but I was in a hurry to do other things.

It's here for all to see where you were going and then where the rest of us were going with this thread. Let the Forum see it for what it is.

You mean aside from it "going" as a Rockets thread in the Spurs forum? Yes..everyone else was so correct there.


Will it make you feel better if I tell you you can replace JVG with Rick Adelman and not lose any defensive focus? Because that seems to be what you want to hear.


It won't be true...but I can say it if it will free you from the idea that my non-circular argument was circular.

[whottt]

Solid D just curbstomped whottt.

Wow.


:yawn


I just curbstomped you. Wow.

[whottt]

BTW Solid D...there was something left for you to respond to:





Well, point A. isn't supported since the Rockets have held their opponents to 324-830 (.390) without Yao during the streak.



Can we can get some thoughts about that mighty Rockets defensive frontline holding players to 39% FG?


I notice you lost interest in the debate at exactly that point.....


Would you like me to post their defensive FG% after they started facing legitimate frontlines without Yao, or would you just prefer to keep calling my argument circular?


I guess timvp is right...I haven't been curbstomped this badly by you 2 since Robert Horry was "done" back in 2004.



Sigh...

[whottt]

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I'll save you the time...it was 45% for the rest of the season...over 50% against playoff teams.

[Tmac&Luther]

Hmmm....I seem to recall you citing the Rockets defensive FG% and I seem to recall part of my prediction was that stat, like Scola, would soon prove to be fool's gold...that was the point behind the prediction I made. And so it was...when matched up with a traditional and healthy NBA frontline.

So bring up stats all you want...and I'll keep pointing out the meaninglessness of them based on actual results with accurate predictions made based on the very apparent flaws in Scola's game. He's not near as good as you guys think he is...you guys are just hung up on stats....and I've got the predictions and lack of substantial results, based upon his flaws, to prove it.


You've got stats, and that's all you've got...and it's not like I grossly underpredicted his productution. I predicted he'd put up 9 and 4 on a healthy Rockets Team...he put up 10 and 6 on an injured one, after sucking hard early...and the Rockets didn't get out the first round, and they fared poorly against legitimate NBA frontlines. So far I am more aware of his postives, and his negatives, than his fans are...you guys aren't aware of his negatives at all...and thus our disagreement.

The point of those predictions was not that I was right just for being right...I am usually right, certainly right enough to where it isn't a novelty...the point is those predictions were based upon Scola and his weaknesses.


Not good enough to justify all the bitching done in his name. Not nearly good enough.......

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Seriously you can't even see how much of a fool your making yourself look right now.

You spend all this time making these lengthy threads (just like you did last year) and you think people actually believe the crap that your trying to sell. Everybody now knows what kind of player Scola is and now they just laugh at your continued hate on him.....they are laughing at how wrong you were and still are about him.

You have become the message board equivalent of the old Iraqi Prime Minister.....you know the idiot that constantly denied that the American forces were bearing down on Baghdad even though Uncle Sam had a scud missile shoved up his ass. "No people, Scola sucks...he'll never do anything in the NBA" "Scola is just Oberto, with a couple of more offensive moves". "the FO knew what they were doing, because Scola is not going to be a good player".........please STHU.

and please save yourself the embarrassment and stop insulting everybody's intelligence with your rediculous excuses and white wash bullcrap....your FO made a goof, even if you don't want to admit they did, that's fine.......but don't try to knock Scola down a peg just to make yourself feel better....especially when you have a piece of crap like Oberto playing at a position where Scola could be playing.

[whottt]

http://www.cleanchange.co.uk/store/images/Module%208.gif

Seriously you can't even see how much of a fool your making yourself look right now.

You spend all this time making these lengthy threads (just like you did last year) and you think people actually believe the crap that your trying to sell. Everybody now knows what kind of player Scola is and now they just laugh at your continued hate on him.....they are laughing at how wrong you were and still are about him.

You have become the message board equivalent of the old Iraqi Prime Minister.....you know the idiot that constantly denied that the American forces were bearing down on Baghdad even though Uncle Sam had a scud missile shoved up his ass. "No people, Scola sucks...he'll never do anything in the NBA" "Scola is just Oberto, with a couple of more offensive moves". "the FO knew what they were doing, because Scola is not going to be a good player".........please STHU.

and please save yourself the embarrassment and stop insulting everybody's intelligence with your rediculous excuses and white wash bullcrap....your FO made a goof, even if you don't want to admit they did that's fine.......but don't try to knock Scola down a peg just to make yourself feel better....especially when you have a piece of crap like Oberto playing at a position where Scola could be playing.



Um...somewhere along the way you must have confused yourself, because you are operating under a severe delusion that I give a flying fuck what a RocketFan thinks of the Scola trade...

Do you see me discussing this in a RocketForum? No you do not...there is a reason for that. Because I am absolutely not interested in their opinion...

Keep that in mind in the future would you?

I am not interested in what you have to say...at all. And I never will be..for the rest of your life.

[timvp]

Scola is now curbstomping whottt himself. If Scola can carry Argentina to a bronze medal, whottt will be wrong for the 234236346345 time.

Of course he'll dance around it and use his patented circular logic.

[whottt]

Scola is now curbstomping whottt himself. If Scola can carry Argentina to a bronze medal, whottt will be wrong for the 234236346345 time.


:lol

That's the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard...

Argentina has 3 NBA players on it even without Manu, even if you don't include Scola. That's a ridiculous statment that they are the underdogs in this game, which they would have to be before I would predict them to lose...and I never said it.

You could remove Nocioni too and they would still be about even with the Lithuanians...

And Bronze medals aren't gold medals...



Of course he'll dance around it and use his patented circular logic.


My logic isn't circular...people are just too stupid to understand what I am saying.

I don't see what's so hard to understand honestly...then again, you guys thought Horry was done and that Barry was a heartless choker so maybe I need make my explanations simpler...



I don't see how much simpler it can get that Adelman isn't the defensive coach Van Gundy is...that Yao is a defensive presence in the lineup, and that the Rockets Frontline got owned once they ran into legitimate ones.

There is nothing circular about my statements...

[Tmac&Luther]

Um...somewhere along the way you must have confused yourself, because you are operating under a severe delusion that I give a flying fuck what a RocketFan thinks of the Scola trade...

Do you see me discussing this in a RocketForum? No you do not...there is a reason for that. Because I am absolutely not interested in their opinion...

Keep that in mind in the future would you?

I am not interested in what you have to say...at all. And I never will be..for the rest of your life.

That's because you know everything I said was correct Mr. Prime Minister.....tell us again how your argument isn't falling to shit around you. :rollin

Do you know what's worse than being wrong? (actually being wrong isn't that bad, it happens and nobody is going to hold that against you).

What's worse than being wrong, is being to damn STUPID to admit you were wrong.......every time you respond in this thread you just come off sounding like a bigger and bigger dumbass.

[whottt]

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It's funny that you are typing stuff to me...and I'm not reading it, at all :lol

[Tmac&Luther]

It's funny that you are typing stuff to me...and I'm not reading it, at all :lol

Yeah, I'm sure you didn't read one word :rolleyes.....but you sure as hell responded to it didn't you..Mr. Prime Minister....."there is nothing going on, everything is fine"...."scola sucks, just like I said."

[whottt]

.."

"Tmac" :lol

[Tmac&Luther]

I bet this guy really just cries himself to sleep thinking about Scola.....that's why he's the only one on this board that hasn't been able to come clean, admit he was wrong, and then move on......because that's really the only way this is ever going to be put to rest.

When the Prime Minister finally tells the truth and admits he was wrong, until then he's just going to continue to look like a jackass with stupid responses like the one above and the one below.

[whottt]

:lol

[MaNuMaNiAc]

There's not much I agree on with whottt around here, but you have to admit people have overreacted like a motherfucker to Scola's trade. To read this message board, you'd think we traded Tim.

On the other hand, whottt has to admit that he was wrong about how good Scola is turning out to be. You got pissed because of the severe overreaction that went on around here, and that's fine, but then you started spewing shit about the dude that had no base on reality. The guy is better than anything we could trott out there in his place right now, and probably better than anything we could try and get at this point. It was definitely a mistake by the FO, though not the catastrophy that some here would like to make you believe.

[wildchild]

Damn right.

That's why smart Oberto -Mr. $ 10.500.000 for 3 years- scored 2 points.
He knew beforehand what was going to happen.

Oberto is going to score 45 against Lithania.
Like in the first game they played...........

Well Oberto finished with 9 points and Scola with 16 yesterday.
It's true? Oberto still injured? Good job RC. Manu and Oberto injured. Olympic Fucking Games.
I don't know about Scola but that guy Nocioni...He's a warrior. Why the kid doesn't play more in Chicago? I saw the last Bulls vs Spurs and the guy played only 8 or 9 min.

[whottt]

On the other hand, whottt has to admit that he was wrong about how good Scola is turning out to be. You got pissed because of the severe overreaction that went on around here, and that's fine, but then you started spewing shit about the dude that had no base on reality. The guy is better than anything we could trott out there in his place right now,.


What shit did I spew about the dude? That he was an asshole and didn't really want to be a Spur? I've said that off and on since the night we drafted him...he's made the comments in the media to justify that opinion.


As for his season...

I said he'd put up 9 and 4(assuming perfect health for the Rockets roster) off the bench. I said that he'd start off strong due to his polish and experience, and decline near the end of the season as NBA teams focused on him and learned his game, and end up shooting about 43% from the field.

I said he wouldn't make a difference in the Rockets playoff fate.

I fail to see what was so wrong abut my statement...he did worse that I predicted him to do in some ways, better in others, and made exactly the difference I thought he would.


He scores a few extra points more than Oberto does minus the toughness and defense...and Oberto had a better rebound rate.


Taking into account the fact that there hasn't been a single bigman signed by Pop whose numbers have not gone down, other than Tim Duncan...and Pop is not known for increasing the offensive output of players, while Adelman is...and the fact that we were the defending champions and it made more sense to to bring that roster back instead of turning it over and gambling on Scola's ability to adapt to the NBA...


I feel my assessment of Scola and that trade is as accurate as anyones...


Especially since we had a player in the pipeline, named Splitter who didn't say stupid things in the media, didn't blame the Spurs for his stupid buyout, and did exactly the same things Scola does on court, only being bigger...and without underperforming late in Euro championship games...

No to mention the fact that we got no better offerrs for him and he was making noises about signing longterm with Tau...



I stand by every single comment I have made concerning Scola...he has yet to prove me wrong in any way shape or form, he has yet to make a difference.


All that said...if I'd known Splitter was going to stay in Europe...I would not have been in favor of that trade. Now all someone needs to provide to me is proof they were saying Splitter was going to stay in Europe when we traded Scola, due to the falling dollar...and I've give that person some props...and only that person.

[timvp]

not have been in favor of that trade. And the backtracking begins.


http://bastardlogic.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/mission-accomplished.jpg

[timvp]

Now ChumpDumper and Bruno need to backtrack so we can put to bed the idea the trade was a good one.

[ChumpDumper]

I would have had to have said it was a good idea in the first place.

Trades made for purely financial reasons are rarely good basketball decisions.

[timvp]

I would have had to have said it was a good idea in the first place.


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[E20]

Finally Everybody Is Starting To See That Scola Is A Badass.

[kuato]

And Bronze medals aren't gold medals...

http://freshbread.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/09/04/captainobvious.jpg

Its is so freacking funny to watch how a thread goes completely far faaar away from its original topic. :toast

[timvp]

I'll admit I wasn't the biggest Scola fan mostly because he wasn't in the best of shape and that made it hard to imagine him being able to keep up with NBA athletes. But seeing him this summer, he's in much better shape and he can now run, jump and move better. Plus he erased that crybaby tendency he had over the years. If he improves anywhere near as much as Ginobili or Nocioni improved from year one to year two, he's going to be damn good.

Scola went to the NBA and realized he has to be in shape. Being skilled only goes so far. Now that he's both in shape and skilled, not much can hold him back.

If he were on the Spurs, he'd be a no-brainer starter heading into next season.

[whottt]

And the backtracking begins.


http://bastardlogic.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/mission-accomplished.jpg



RIF...I've been saying it since Splitter effed us. I also mentioned Splitter consistently as to why that trade wasn't a bad one. Pretty obvious when you think about it...


Then again, I don't think Pop's an idiot GM and you obviously do.


My stance on Scola never changed based on Scola himself...just like my stance on Barry and Horry didn't...it didn't have to.

[timvp]

RIF...I've been saying it since Splitter effed us. I also mentioned Splitter consistently as to why that trade wasn't a bad one. Pretty obvious when you think about it...


Then again, I don't think Pop's an idiot GM and you obviously do.Again, that trade was RC's brainchild. And the Spurs didn't have Splitter's rights for all the years you were ripping Scola.

Don't try to unbacktrack now. You've already conceded.

Only Bruno is left and then we can then put this ugly chapter behind us.

[whottt]

I'll admit I wasn't the biggest Scola fan mostly because he wasn't in the best of shape and that made it hard to imagine him being able to keep up with NBA athletes. But seeing him this summer, he's in much better shape and he can now run, jump and move better. Plus he erased that crybaby tendency he had over the years. If he improves anywhere near as much as Ginobili or Nocioni improved from year one to year two, he's going to be damn good.

Scola went to the NBA and realized he has to be in shape. Being skilled only goes so far. Now that he's both in shape and skilled, not much can hold him back.

If he were on the Spurs, he'd be a no-brainer starter heading into next season.


Scola's still over-rated as shit..at the same time, Oberto is like 33 now. That why losing Splitter hurt. It's a huge setback as now we have no veteran to offset the decline of Oberto...

[whottt]

Again, that trade was RC's brainchild. And the Spurs didn't have Splitter's rights for all the years you were ripping Scola.

Link? I want you to prove Pop didn't okay the trade...you can provide any quote from Pop utitlizing the words, "I" "did" "not" "ok" "that" and "trade".


Good luck...it's either that or prove Pop isn't a control freak...in which case I will instantly use your own words against you.



Don't try to unbacktrack now. You've already conceded.

I haven't conceded shit...except Splitter's decision to say in Europe effed us. Which is a no-brainer. I still like Splitter better...I still think he is better...and he pretty much proved it last season, when Tau fared just as well with him alone as they did with he and Scola.




Only Bruno is left and then we can then put this ugly chapter behind us.

Bruno's argument has made total sense to me from day 1...even if you try claim victory based on some out of context proof...it won't work on me like it does all the other dimwits in this forum...I know what he's been saying all along..and I pretty agree with his assessments of Scola.


Scola not that good and he's over-rated.



Every time I see Matt Bonner on the bench, or even worse, in a game...I am reminded of the sort of players you like...

[timvp]

Scola's still over-rated as shit..at the same time, Oberto is like 33 now. That why losing Splitter hurt. It's a huge setback as now we have no veteran to offset the decline of Oberto...Yeah wouldn't it be nice to have Scola to help offset the decline of Oberto. And Oberto's decline is damn obvious. Even in international play, he was a shell of his 2004 self. Sucks but he looks done. And I say that as a eight year fan of Oberto.

And you do realize that the Scola trade not only cost the Spurs Scola but also Splitter, right? If they let Scola sign longterm overseas, Tau wouldn't have had enough money to give Splitter his big contract.

So basically, the Spurs traded their rights to Scola and their chances of securing Splitter for nothing.

And Spurs fans tried to defend that trade . . . :lmao

[timvp]

Link? I want you to prove Pop didn't okay the trade...you can provide any quote from Pop utitlizing the words, "I" "did" "not" "ok" "that" and "trade". You are going to the ChumpDumper "I need hidden tape recordings" well? Get your own material. And stop jinxing the Spurs by siding with ChumpDumper. Ever since you and CD have befriended each other, the Spurs have had bad luck.


I haven't conceded shit...except Splitter's decision to say in Europe effed us. Which is a no-brainer. I still like Splitter better...I still think he is better...and he pretty much proved it last season, when Tau fared just as well with him alone as they did with he and Scola. You already conceded. I've crossed your name off the list.

And again, the Spurs traded their chances of ever landing Splitter in that Scola deal. So if you support the Scola trade, you support not ever getting Splitter.


Bruno's argument has made total sense to me from day 1That's a lie because Bruno initially said the trade was a bad one before flipflopping the next day and supporting the trade.


Every time I see Matt Bonner on the bench, or even worse, in a game...I am reminded as to the type of players Pop signs to a longterm contract.

Fixed.

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

http://freespace.virgin.net/sanjeev.sarpal/images/intro.1.jpg

"Scola trade is good. Front office is no mistake, no surrender. The Spurs need no Scola, Bonner is showing great player he is in the 2008 Playoffs. The reports telling that the Lakers beat the Spurs are false, no team that trades bad player Scola can lose. Spurs every time closer of beating Celtics".

[whottt]

You are going to the ChumpDumper "I need hidden tape recordings" well? Get your own material. And stop jinxing the Spurs by siding with ChumpDumper. Ever since you and CD have befriended each other, the Spurs have had bad luck.

Bullshit...Chump and I pulled Yeoman duty protecting this forum from being overrun with asshole RocketFans last season...

Some battles aren't meant for lightweights.




You already conceded. I've crossed your name off the list.

I've conceded the trade a bad one, because of what Splitter did, not at the time iw as made...


My opinion on Scola hasn't changed.


And hindsight is always 20/20....



And again, the Spurs traded their chances of ever landing Splitter in that Scola deal. So if you support the Scola trade, you support not ever getting Splitter.

I didn't see anyone bringing that up at the time...if they did, props to them.

Still doesn't change my estimation of Scola.





That's a lie because Bruno initially said the trade was a bad one before flipflopping the next day and supporting the trade.


Bruno thinks Scola's overrated too because Bruno can look beyond pts...And it's pretty easy to see Scola is over-rated. That's why everyone feels the need to spam the forum every day posting his stats....because he is over-rated, and the posters that do it, are ArgSpurfan and his ilk, or other newbies...and of course you and Solid D. Props.

The day I find myself sharing an analysis with ArgSpurfan is the day Is stop posting.

[DarkMaverick]

Scola with Duncan in the front court = More rings for SA!

I wish there's a twist of faith that would land us Scola or a good post guy to help Tim.

[whottt]

[IMG]
Its is so freacking funny to watch how a thread goes completely far faaar away from its original topic. :toast

BTW, my name is whottt. I post on here occasionally. You'll probably see other posts by me on this forum from time to time. Including participation in various threads.

Nice to meet you, and welcome to SpursTalk.

[timvp]

I've conceded the trade a bad one

:wow

whottt letting commonsense overcome stubbornness.

Props :tu

[timvp]

Bullshit...Chump and I pulled Yeoman duty protecting this forum from being overrun with asshole RocketFans last season...

Some battles aren't meant for lightweights. This much is true. As much as I hated the Scola trade, I hate the daily Scola updates even more. If the Spurs can survive after passing on Charles Barkley for Terry Cummings and Willie Anderson in 1991, they can survive Scola and Splitter for nothing.

[whottt]

This much is true. As much as I hated the Scola trade, I hate the daily Scola updates even more.

Thank you... I can't speak for chump but I've always felt aht the collective goal was that no one coming here wanting to discuss Scola would find it an enjoyable experience and leave with their thread unurinated upon...I sometimes wonder how successful it was, but every once in a while someone like Tmac :lmao gives me the validation I needed.



If the Spurs can survive after passing on Charles Barkley for Terry Cummings and Willie Anderson in 1991, they can survive Scola and Splitter for nothing.

Instant fail the second you include Scola with names like Charles Bakrley and Terry Cummings...even pre no-knees Willie Anderson. Not even close...

You are pushing the limits of reality if you even include Scola's name in the same sentence with Leandro Barbosa.

[timvp]

Instant fail the second you include Scola with names like Charles Bakrley and Terry Cummings...even pre no-knees Willie Anderson. Not even close...

You are pushing the limits of reality if you even include Scola's name in the same sentence with Leandro Barbosa.Read what you quoted again. If the Spurs can pass on Charles Barkley and survive, they can certainly survive by giving up Scola and Splitter.

Meaning Barkley >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scola + Splitter

[whottt]

Read what you quoted again. If the Spurs can pass on Charles Barkley and survive, they can certainly survive by giving up Scola and Splitter.

Meaning Barkley >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scola + Splitter


That's like saying if you can survive getting shot in the head you can survive taking a piss.

[timvp]

That's like saying if you can survive getting shot in the head you can survive taking a piss.Right. Thanks for the translation.

[Tmac&Luther]

Scola not that good and he's over-rated.



Every time I see Matt Bonner on the bench, or even worse, in a game...I am reminded of the sort of players you like...

I would really love for you to explain how a 1st year player that cost practically nothing and was able to put up 10 & 6 on the season (as a 4th option) without even starting half the season at PF is overrated......would love for you to explain how a player that posted 14 & 9 as a rookie in the playoffs is overrated.

But other than the fact that you can't explain that....infact you can't even form a agrument against it, but go ahead be a little pussy and respond with another gay smiley and prove to everybody how wrong you are.

and as for Scola being a "Matt Bonner" type player.......Oberto and Matt Bonner put up the same production. :rollin

Now queue the pussy cop-out smiley Mr. Prime Minister. :lol

[whottt]

Right. Thanks for the translation.


Hey..it's just returning the favor. :)

[DROB4EVER]

Look at rockets fan talking smack. The same rockets who have a center made of glass. Im taking bets on which season ending injury he will have this year. A Sg who is hurt all the time and who epicly fails every yr in the playoffs.

A whack job SF who carrys on conversations with himself when he isnt making crap albums I mean rap albums.

Scola was a solid player but is overated for sure. Ian will be 3 times the player Scola is. You guys just try to keep up with us this year.

[Tmac&Luther]

Look at rockets fan talking smack. The same rockets who have a center made of glass. Im taking bets on which season ending injury he will have this year. A Sg who is hurt all the time and who epicly fails every yr in the playoffs.

A whack job SF who carrys on conversations with himself when he isnt making crap albums I mean rap albums.

Scola was a solid player but is overated for sure. Ian will be 3 times the player Scola is. You guys just try to keep up with us this year.

We have a glass center, a injury prone 2 guard, and a crazy mofo at SF...

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Great now that we have gotten past all of that, because I'm still looking for my answer......HOW IS SCOLA OVERRATED?

Nobody has ever said he's going to be the next great PF, nobody has said he's a allstar. Everybody has just said he's a fantastic player and a solid player that can help a veteran team win ball games. He's the perfect hussle guy that you don't have to design plays for.....you can just run your offense and Scola is quietly going to have a great night finding his own buckets within your offense while grabbing boards and diving for loose balls.

When Yao was out Scola was able to step up and become a second option in the playoffs.....he's that versatile.

Anyways back to the original question.....how is Scola overrated?

[ElNono]

Personally, I don't think Scola is overrated at all. I think he had an excellent rookie year, and just like all great talents, it will take him a while to 'learn' the league, the refs, etc. Happened with Tony, Dirk, Manu...
I concur with timvp observation that he's in great shape.

I personally moved on from that trade. I said it was bad back then, and honestly it got worse as the time moved on. But there's no going back now. We got what we got, and hopefully it will be enough.

[Solid D]

Looks like I missed a lot since Saturday afternoon. By the way, I've noticed that if I don't log out but close the browser and leave, sometimes it still shows I'm on-line in whatever thread I last entered...for what it's worth.

Scola is a very good role player and any way you want to slice it, he played well against some of the best USA NBA players. I know the NBA All-Stars had to focus on such scoring threats and impact players as Prigioni, Quinteros, Delfino and Nocioni so it was pretty easy going for 28 points/11 reb/2 blocks/2 steals, but he's an okay player, I guess.

Whottt, as far as the Rockets being a good defensive team goes, I'll see you in the other thread, when I can get some time.

[urunobili]

BTW, my name is whottt. I am a single gay male and I post on here occasionally. You'll probably see other posts by me on this forum on a daily basis like 4,5 times a day sprees and i'm the biggest attention whore of them all... you may also see me including participation in various threads.

Nice to meet you and PM me whenever you want, and btw welcome to SpursTalk.

Fixed

[Bruno]

That's a lie because Bruno initially said the trade was a bad one before flipflopping the next day and supporting the trade.


No, you're wrong.
Bruno's stance on the trade has been consistent from day one. He didn't like the trade but didn't consider him as an horrible one.

Damn, I'm taking the timvp's road by referring to myself in the third person. :downspin:

And I know who is the flipflop king :

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1716924&postcount=33



I'd bring over Mahinmi and probably pick between Scola and Bonner, whichever is cheaper. The mistake I worry the Spurs doing is trading Butler before they ever give him a chance.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1991151&postcount=200


And no, I wasn't more upset with Butler leaving than Scola leaving.

[wildchild]

Yeah wouldn't it be nice to have Scola to help offset the decline of Oberto. And Oberto's decline is damn obvious. Even in international play, he was a shell of his 2004 self. Sucks but he looks done. And I say that as a eight year fan of Oberto.

Oberto looks done? Maybe I'm wrong but you didn't say the same in the Suprs-Hornets round. Only two months later and now he looks done? .:rolleyes
Plus Oberto was injured in the Olympic Games.

[century]

The Spurs don't need Scola because they have great players like Oberto and Bonner.

[picnroll]

How much did the shoe deal Scola got in China play into his willingness to come over and sign with the Rockets?

[timvp]

No, you're wrong.
Bruno's stance on the trade has been consistent from day one. He didn't like the trade but didn't consider him as an horrible one.


Not a good trade.
While dumping Butler contract somewhere was maybe the right thing to do, Scola is a lot to pay to do that.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1850370&postcount=528

Your first reaction was right. But then you flipflopped and tried to say the Scola trade was everything from "unavoidable" to "meaningless". Truth it was a horrible trade. Even as a salary dump it was weak. Considering that it ended up being Scola and Splitter for nothing, trying to protect the trade is impossible.

Even whottt has waved the white flag. ChumpDumper also stopped directly supporting the trade.


I've said from day one that I've siad that I didn't like the Scola trade but I considered him as a quite meaningless one.
So far, I've been right on that.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2690033&postcount=195

The Scola trade was meaningless? :lmao

Scola and Splitter are both better than any big the Spurs have outside of Duncan. Trading both away for nothing was not a meaningless trade. If the Spurs had Scola and Splitter, one would be starting and the other would be the first big off the bench.

If you want to say the Scola trade was good, that makes more sense than saying it was meaningless.


And I know who is the flipflop king :

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1716924&postcount=33


http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1991151&postcount=200

Let's see. Six months past between those two posts. In that time, we got to see Butler in summer league. I can also find a post of you saying you wouldn't trade Butler for a second round pick around the same time, so don't think I was the only one who was unaware that Butler had retired after cashing in his millions.

And more importantly, where do I say in that post to trade Scola? As I said the whole time, the Spurs should have called Scola's bluff. Even if he signed longterm in Tau, the Spurs could have then turned around and signed Splitter. I never thought Scola would actually sign longterm in Europe and thought he'd be a good replacement once Horry left.

If the Spurs played their cards right, they could have landed both Splitter and Scola. They made a panic move on a Scola bluff and are paying the price.

Hopefully Mahinmi or some other big emerges so we can put this topic to bed but I can't really be too mad at Spurs fans who are still frustrated at a trade that was so horribly stupid from Day 1.

[Bruno]

Your first reaction was right. But then you flipflopped and tried to say the Scola trade was everything from "unavoidable" to "meaningless".

You can "not like" a trade and call it a "quite meaningless" at the same time. I don't see where the flip flop is.

The best proof that it isn't flip flop is that I said it in the same post :
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1934360&postcount=383



The Scola trade was meaningless? :lmao

Yes, it was. Scola hasn't been an impact player in NBA so far.




And more importantly, where do I say in that post to trade Scola? As I said the whole time, the Spurs should have called Scola's bluff. Even if he signed longterm in Tau, the Spurs could have then turned around and signed Splitter. I never thought Scola would actually sign longterm in Europe and thought he'd be a good replacement once Horry left.

If the Spurs played their cards right, they could have landed both Splitter and Scola. They made a panic move on a Scola bluff and are paying the price.

You're way off.

First case, your theory of Scola bluffing is right and Scola would have been a free agent this summer. Look at what amount some players got in Russia. Do you really think that Scola would have signed a bargain contract with Spurs while Russian teams would have offered him way more money ? Be honest one second, Scola would have taken the money and sign a huge contract in Russia.
Second case, your theory of Scola bluffing was wrong and Scola signed a long term contract with Tau last summer. Your assumption that Spurs would have been able to get Splitter is also false. Splitter salary in Tau isn't that high (€1.4M per year). Tau could have had both. In the case they couldn't have had both, a Russian team would have likely offered them a lot of money to get Splitter. I'm quite sure Tau would have taken the money road and let Splitter go in Russia.

Just leave timvp's fantasy world were Spurs could have gotten both Scola and Splitter :
- Letting Scola rot in Europe wouldn't have been a positive solution.
- Splitter and Scola have almost nothing to do. Whether or not Scola had stayed with Tau, Splitter was lost.



Hopefully Mahinmi or some other big emerges so we can put this topic to bed but I can't really be too mad at Spurs fans who are still frustrated at a trade that was so horribly stupid from Day 1.

We both know what is the truth. You were pissed at this trade because of Butler, not because of Scola.
Month after, you come back in your white knight suit and say "Look at what Scola has done, I was right to call it the worst trade of Spurs history"

First, let's wait to see what Scola will do this year before judging this trade. He has had a good rookie year but it's not enough to turn this trade into a the disaster you said.
Second, the only way you can do your white knight things is if Butler plays great. You were fine with Spurs signing Bonner and not Scola, deal with that.

[Bonior]

Scola hasn't been an impact player in NBA so far.
I don't know how you measure "impact". On Jan. 26, 2008, the Rockets had a mediocre 24-19 record. Scola became a starter for us the next day, and we finished the season on a 31-7 tear. I would say Scola had a tremendous impact on our team.

[whottt]

I don't know how you measure "impact". On Jan. 26, 2008, the Rockets had a mediocre 24-19 record. Scola became a starter for us the next day, and we finished the season on a 31-7 tear. I would say Scola had a tremendous impact on our team.


That's typical of a Rick Adelman Team in the early part of his coaching tenure....seriously, check his record. Right down to doing it when a key player is injured.

Next year or this year your team will make a serious run at the best record in the league, possibly attaining it. Then TMac will choke and Adelman will whine and the wheels will begin to come off. But it'll take a good long torturous while before that final wheel comes off. Sure you want to say eventually he'll break through and win a championship...but uh-uh, not built around TMac(and Scola), with Yao becoming more and more injury prone, he won't...

Basically, it's Rick Adelman's world...you're just living in it.

[Bruno]

I don't know how you measure "impact". On Jan. 26, 2008, the Rockets had a mediocre 24-19 record. Scola became a starter for us the next day, and we finished the season on a 31-7 tear. I would say Scola had a tremendous impact on our team.

First, regular season. The true NBA season starts in April with the playoffs. The regular season is just an endless preseason.

Second, your logic is flawed. Rockets have ended well the regular season last year because of a lot of factors like an easy schedule, the team mastering better Adelman's style, some players playing better (Scola, Alston, Landry...)...
Giving Scola all the credit for the 31-7 ending is plain wrong.

[Allanon]

If you think Scola is not an impact player or not good you're smoking crack.

In 25 minutes, he score 10ppg on 51% shooting, 6 rebounds.

If you do a per 48 minutes, he'd be about 20 ppg, 11 rebounds.

20 ppg & 11 rbds are close to All Star numbers.... and that was his rookie season.

Scola this year on the Spurs would have alleviated the scoring pressure off the Big 3 and allowed more rest for Manu since Tim, TP, Finley + Scola could provide pretty good #'s. And since he's Manu's buddy, Manu could have trusted him to get the job done and feel secure in resting his ankle more.

It was a terrible trade, really screwed the Spurs last season, and this season will allow the Rockets the depth to be one of the best NBA teams this year.

But it's time to move past this one as its not going to change now.

[whottt]

If you think Scola is not an impact player or not good you're smoking crack.

In 25 minutes, he score 10ppg on 51% shooting, 6 rebounds.

If you do a per 48 minutes, he'd be about 20 ppg, 11 rebounds.

20 ppg & 11 rbds are close to All Star numbers.... and that was his rookie season.

Scola this year on the Spurs would have alleviated the scoring pressure off the Big 3 and allowed more rest for Manu since Tim, TP, Finley + Scola could provide pretty good #'s. And since he's Manu's buddy, Manu could have trusted him to get the job done and feel secure in resting his ankle more.

It was a terrible trade, really screwed the Spurs last season, and this season will allow the Rockets the depth to be one of the best NBA teams this year.

But it's time to move past this one as its not going to change now.


You wish!

[Allanon]

You wish!

I'm certain Scola shot your dog or something like that.

[smeagol]

whottt's take on Scola should be disregarded. He posts them under extreme emotional instability.

[MajorMike]

Oh, mah, lawd, will you swole argy wannabes ever get over this whole thing?

[Red Hawk #21]

Scola was so impressive in that game, I really hope Al Horford can model his game to be something like luis scola's game.

[Bonior]

[Going 24-19, making Scola a starter, then going 31-7 is] typical of a Rick Adelman Team in the early part of his coaching tenure....seriously, check his record. Right down to doing it when a key player is injured.
That could be typical Adelman, but Scola could still be important. You would be more likely right if we started winning some random time after making Scola a starter; if that was what happened, we could question his value. But our huge winning roll started almost instantly; the only exception was a loss in the very first game of Scola's tenure as a starter, when Yao was out with the flu. We had a huge turnaround after making just one change: Scola. So I think he was very important to us.


Next year or this year your team will make a serious run at the best record in the league, possibly attaining it. Then TMac will choke and Adelman will whine and the wheels will begin to come off. But it'll take a good long torturous while before that final wheel comes off. Sure you want to say eventually he'll break through and win a championship...but uh-uh, not built around TMac(and Scola), with Yao becoming more and more injury prone, he won't...

Basically, it's Rick Adelman's world...you're just living in it.
We could be watching another rerun of the Adelman Show, true, but somehow I doubt it. The difference this time is that the Rockets were already a great defensive team when Adelman showed up. His previous teams sometimes played good defense, but you always got the feeling that offense was the priority. Not so on the Rockets. We were a great defensive team, we continued to be great under Adelman, and with the addition of Artest our defense could be legendary. And as you fans of the Spurs know so well, defense wins championships.

[Bonior]

[Discussing Scola's impact] First, regular season. The true NBA season starts in April with the playoffs. The regular season is just an endless preseason.
Kevin Garnett passed the first round of the playoffs only 3 times in his career. So are you saying that KG was not an impact player in 9 of his 12 seasons? I think you need to revise your definition of "impact".


Second, your logic is flawed. Rockets have ended well the regular season last year because of a lot of factors like an easy schedule, the team mastering better Adelman's style, some players playing better (Scola, Alston, Landry...)...
Giving Scola all the credit for the 31-7 ending is plain wrong.
As I said in the message just above, the Rockets started winning instantly upon making Scola a starter (the only exception being the first game when Yao was out with the flu). I think that's pretty strong evidence that Sola has had a huge impact on our team.