Manu made the all star team

[Taco]

I just read in another forum

i'm looking for a link

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I just read in another forum

i'm looking for a link
Is it a serious forum??

[Mr. Body]

Yes. Got scooped.

[Taco]

can anybody get into NBA.com?

I can't

[Sec24Row7]

I have a reason to watch the all star game now!

Woo Woo!

[travis2]

just looked...not there yet...

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I just got in

[Ballcox]

Congrats Manu, you deserve it!

:fro

[travis2]

Congrats Manu, you deserve it!

:fro

Hold off...he may deserve it, but it's not confirmed yet...

[exstatic]

Nothing official yet. It'll be at NBA dot com before it's anywhere else.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

That's what I'm waiting for!

[Ballcox]

My bad, thought it was a done deal, hope it comes through for Manu. Would love to see him and TD playing together in the game.

:fro

[maxpower]

based on a forum posting?

[SpursWoman]

Yes, He did! (http://aol.nba.com/allstar2005/allstar_game/reserves_050208.html)

:elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant

Six First-Time All-Stars Head List of Reserves

NEW YORK, February 8 – Six first-time All-Stars headline the list of reserves for the 2005 NBA All-Star Game, to be played on Sunday, February 20 at Pepsi Center in Denver, Colorado.
Washington Wizards guard Gilbert Arenas and forward Antawn Jamison and Miami Heat guard Dwyane Wade will all make their first career All-Star appearance for the Eastern Conference. Center Zydrunas Ilgauskas of the Cleveland Cavaliers, forwards Jermaine O’Neal of the Indiana Pacers, Paul Pierce of the Boston Celtics and Ben Wallace of the Detroit Pistons round out the Eastern reserves.



Three Western Conference players are also making their initial All-Star appearance as forwards Manu Ginobili of the San Antonio Spurs, Rashard Lewis of the Seattle SuperSonics and Amaré Stoudemire of the Phoenix Suns have each been invited to Denver. Also named to the Western Conference All-Star team are guard Ray Allen of Seattle, forward Shawn Marion and guard Steve Nash of the Phoenix Suns and forward Dirk Nowitzki of the Dallas Mavericks.

The 14 players selected—seven each from the Eastern and Western Conferences—were chosen by a vote of the 30 NBA head coaches. The coaches were asked to vote for seven players in their respective conferences – two guards, two forwards, one center and two players regardless of position. They were not permitted to vote for players from their own team.

Previously selected, as starters for the East through the NBA All-Star 2005 Balloting Program were Cleveland’s LeBron James, who is also making his first NBA All-Star Game appearance, Miami’s Shaquille O’Neal, New Jersey’s Vince Carter, Orlando’s Grant Hill and Philadelphia’s Allen Iverson. Houston’s Tracy McGrady and Yao Ming, Los Angeles Lakers’ Kobe Bryant, Minnesota’s Kevin Garnett and San Antonio’s Tim Duncan will start for the West.

The selections of Ilgauskas (Lithuania), Ginobili (Argentina), Nash (Canada), Nowitzki (Germany) along with voted-starters Duncan (U.S. Virgin Islands) and Yao (China), gives the 2005 All-Star Game six international players, tying the 2003 and 2004 All-Star Game record for the most international All-Stars in one year.

Should any player be unable to participate in the All-Star Game due to injury, NBA Commissioner David Stern will select the replacement. Stan Van Gundy of the Miami Heat will coach the Eastern Conference All-Stars and Gregg Popovich of the San Antonio Spurs will represent the Western Conference.

The NBA All-Star Game will be televised live nationally on TNT in the United States and on Rogers Sportsnet in Canada at 6 p.m. MT/ 8 p.m. ET. Live audio broadcasts are available on ESPN Radio and on NBA.com in multiple languages.

For the third consecutive year, NBA All-Stars will wear uniforms created just for the game. This year’s All-Stars will be outfitted in new uniforms from Reebok which were inspired by the Denver Nuggets uniform design. The West will wear white jerseys and the East will wear blue while the shorts will feature a star encapsulated NBA logo on each side, a conference logo on the waistband and a “05DN” wordmark on the center back which represents 2005 Denver.

NBA.com will provide basketball fans with the opportunity to have their vote count towards selecting the MVP of the 54th NBA All-Star Game, as a part of the site's exclusive NBA All-Star 2005 coverage.

Through the 2005 NBA All-Star Balloting program, which ran from November 18, 2004 through January 23, 2005, fans had the opportunity to vote in more ways than ever. The balloting program expanded to include 19 languages on the NBA.com Network, downloadable ballots via Verizon Wireless and approximately 150 Loews Cineplex Entertainment movie theaters in the United States. This year, Twentieth Century Fox joined Sprite, America Online, Reebok and approximately 2,100 Foot Locker and Champs Sports stores in the United States and Canada as All-Star balloting partners. Ballots were also distributed in all 29 NBA arenas and all six NBDL arenas.

NBA All-Star 2005 is a week-long celebration that enables fans to experience the thrill of the world’s greatest athletes playing the game they love and features a full slate of community enhancing activities and fan festivals.

[Taco]

based on a forum posting?

I'm looking I'm Looking!!!

[Taco]

Yes, He did (http://aol.nba.com/allstar2005/allstar_game/reserves_050208.html)

:elephant

Thanks SW

[Ginofan]

Thanks SW!!! Wooo hooo go Manu!

[Manu20]

Go Manu :elephant

Thank you SW.

[Sec24Row7]

Wooot!

Official!

[MaNuMaNiAc]

HELLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!! YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! I WON MESELF 500 vBookie BUCKS!!! I LOVE THAT MANU!!!!

[travis2]

Congratulations Manu!

But...WTF does Phoenix get 3 players and SA gets two?

Question

[ducks]

Shawn Marion suprised I thought he would not

[MaNuMaNiAc]

probably 'cause San Antonio has 2 players and a coach, but whatever the reason, you can't say either of the Phoenix players aren't deserving.

[SPARKY]

I distinctly recall a paranormal entity as well as a vertically challenged individual claiming that the Spurs had no star talent outside of Tim Duncan.

[Shelly]

cool....now i get some vbookie money back!

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I distinctly recall a paranormal entity as well as a vertically challenged individual claiming that the Spurs had no star talent outside of Tim Duncan.
:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[waly.mg]

http://www.nba.com/allstar2005/allstar_game/reserves_050208.html

[ShoogarBear]

But...WTF does Phoenix get 3 players and SA gets two?

Um, cause they have three players who deserve it?

Biggest surprise is nobody from Sacramento.

[SPARKY]

Sacramento should just fold already. Their 15 minutes of NBA fame are up.

[picnroll]

Kind of surprising that the Kings got skunked.


and Stevie Francis will be pouting.

[SpursWoman]

cool....now i get some vbookie money back!


There was a vbookie? I missed that one.... :(

[ducks]

so if kobe is a no go who takes his place?

[Jimcs50]

I told you.

:smokin

[waly.mg]

Kind of surprising that the Kings got skunked.


QUEENS SACRAMENTO QUEENS

[BronxCowboy]

Does suck for the Kings. They definitely deserve at least one selection more than Phoenix deserves three.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

There was a vbookie? I missed that one.... :(
That's alright SW, you can have some of mine!! since you're the one that confirmed it!! HAHAHHAA

[Experiment2100]

Only Four West teams are represented by reserves. Very interesting.

[Frenchise player]

almost all these players were espected, Ilgauskas and Lewis are the more surprising picks.
Congrats Manu!!!
Next year will be Tp time.

[exstatic]

But...WTF does Phoenix get 3 players and SA gets two?
;) So far. They may need a replacement for Kobe. If so, Stern makes the pick. He's the chief pimp, and marketeer of the NBA, who's big push is the overseas market. Hmmmm. :lol

[ShoogarBear]

If they need a replacement for Kobe, it will be a King.

Bank on it.

[blackbucket]

Congrats Manu! :fro

[sa_butta]

Giiinobiliiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Frenchise player]

Does anybody know where we can see the votes totals?

[boutons]

So Barkley has to go to Denver. :)

[travis2]

Does anybody know where we can see the votes totals?

Not sure they post the coaches totals...

[waly.mg]

almost all these players were espected, Ilgauskas and Lewis are the more surprising picks.
Congrats Manu!!!
Next year will be Tp time.

If Kobe continues Injury, may be TP time this year

Specially because the NBA select the Player, and with POP as Coach. TP may be the first Option

If anyone injures, Tony may be his replacement

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Not to diss TP, but the Kings probably deserve a representative more than San Antonion deserves its third player. If they don't take that into account, then definately TP. He obviously deserves it.

[Mr. Body]

Yes, it will be Bibby, perhaps, if Kobe is out, though they may want another forward in there. Bibby has better numbers than Parker.

Man, Manu in the ASG!

[maxpower]

who's eating crow about manu being an allstar?

[exstatic]

If Kobe can't go, I think it's Tony, too. I think the Kings are just SOL. It sucks for them, but the NBA is marketing a worldwide product. Frankly, Bibby has done little to separate himself from Tony this year. The team is stocked at forward already, and you don't want another center slowing down the game.

Nothing wrong with three Spurs if there are already three Suns.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

you're right, except IMO there is something wrong with 3 Spurs, 3 Suns, and no Kings. But you're right about Parker, and the fact that the forward position is all filled up. I really don't know. It would rock to have 3 Spurs in the All-Star. When was the last time that happened?

[Taco]

you're right, except IMO there is something wrong with 3 Spurs, 3 Suns, and no Kings. But you're right about Parker, and the fact that the forward position is all filled up. I really don't know. It would rock to have 3 Spurs in the All-Star. When was the last time that happened?

That would be nice to see 3 Spurs on the All Star team but if a replacement for Kobe is named I think it'll be Bibby

[exstatic]

When was the last time that happened?
Never. We've had two a couple of times, Dave and Sean, Dave and Tim.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Yup, at least that's what I remember

[manustarting2gd]

Yeah Manu! Represent the Latino's, boy!

[Obvious]

MANU is an ALL-STAR
Don't cry for my Argentina!! :elephant :elephant :elephant

[MannyIsGod]

Bibby needs to go if Kobe can't. It's that simple.

[baseline bum]

I'm excited to see Manu there, but not picking Webber was ludicrous. 21.6 / 9.6 / 5.1 while being on pace for 56 wins is no joke.

At the same time I'm glad to see another Texas guy (Rashard) make it.

[GoSpurs21]

Congratulations Manu!

But...WTF does Phoenix get 3 players and SA gets two?

QuestionBecause its mainly based on offensive numbers and those three suns selected have good ones

[Nikos]

Manu did not affect Webber's spot did he?

Isn't it basically Lewis and Marion who really were taken over Webber, considering the comitee has to pick 2G, 2F, 1C?

[adidas11]

To replace Webber, it'll be Bibby, Peja, or Webber. Probably Webber.

[adidas11]

Manu did not affect Webber's spot did he?

Isn't it basically Lewis and Marion who really were taken over Webber, considering the comitee has to pick 2G, 2F, 1C?


The last two spots on the All Star team (11th and 12th spots) can be any position. Considering that Nash and Allen were the first two guards picked, Manu was probably a 11th or 12th spot pick. Manu definitely deserves to be on the team, and I despise Webber, but there is no way Webber should have NOT made the team with his stats this season so far.

[TheWriter]

Lewis or Marion = Should not be there.

[exstatic]

Bibby needs to go if Kobe can't. It's that simple.

Black and white rarely is. I don't GAF if Tony makes it because he's foreign, in fact, I'd love it. I had to put up with too many years of Laker trash on TV and in the AS game. Big markets. Fine. Pop moved the game. The Spurs have the biggest market of all now: the world. If Phoenix has three All Stars, I'm certainly not going to apologize if SA winds up with that many. Fuck the Kings. Chrissie Webber and her legacy of injuries because she refuses to tape up. Losing ass motherfuckers. We own their asses.

[exstatic]

Marion >> Chrissie Webber.

[waly.mg]

i don´t think then All the Coachs select Allen
Many Coachs may selected Nash-Manu

That´s Probably the real reason that TP is not Select

No body select Tony over Nash, he can only be a Wild Card

[smeagol]

Manu = Allstar

Suck on that, rascal

:lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao

[IceColdBrewski]

Vindication is mine.

[SPARKY]

Stupidity is yours as well.

[Ghost Writer]

Apologize, timvp.

[Kori Ellis]

Did timvp say Tony would make it this year?

He has said to me for the last few weeks that Manu would, but not Tony.

[SPARKY]

What should he apologize for? You're the one who claimed that the Spurs had "no talent" outside of Tim Duncan.

Atone for your past stupidity O etheral one.

[IceColdBrewski]

Stupidity is yours as well.

Awww. Poor baby. Don't get mad at me for being right.

[Matrix]

Lewis or Marion = Should not be there.


If Manu was going to make it there was no way Marion could be snubbed.

[ShoogarBear]

Leaving Marion off would have been the biggest A-S crime of the past decade.

The guy is a highlight reel with no real weaknesses, and one of only 2-3 guys in the league who is an almost annual 100 steal, 100 block player.

[exstatic]

Rashard Lewis has the softest game for someone 6'10" this side of Hedo.

[Sec24Row7]

At least there weren't FOUR suns picked like they picked FOUR lakers in 98.

That was rediculous.

[E20]

Ginobili was listed as a forward on ESPN. Well congrats to Manu!
http://www.nba.com/media/spurs/manu_preview_050208.jpg
He got his hair done!

[Jimcs50]

You have to give Seattle, SA and Phoenix at least ywo players....they are the class of the West so far.

[Spurminator]

IIRC Precident in the past is that if a starter cannot go, the Commissioner usually picks the next highest vote-getter in that position.

[Rick Von Braun]

IIRC Precident in the past is that if a starter cannot go, the Commissioner usually picks the next highest vote-getter in that position.Could someone confirm this?

That is great news!!

Tony is 6th among the guards voted by fans, so he should be selected if Kobe is injured (assuming the above criteria is correct).

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smielephant.gif

[rascal]

Jason Richardson, Bibby or Webber should have been selected over Manu.


Manu doesn't have the overall numbers.

[E20]

I skipped school for this shit.

[TwoHandJam]

Congrats to Manu!

I thinks this works out best for the Spurs. I feel bad for TP but he does play better when he feels slighted and Manu plays better when he's in the spotlight.

[Kori Ellis]

I think Tony will participate in the Skills Challenge; so they'll be a lot of Spurs in Denver.

[Ginofan]

Has there every been this many reps from SA in the All Star festivities??

[E20]

Rascal the all star game isn't about overall #'s.

[ducks]

I think Tony will participate in the Skills Challenge; so they'll be a lot of Spurs in Denver.

I think I read on his site he will not unless he plays in allstar game

[Kori Ellis]

I think I read on his site he will not unless he plays in allstar game

I thought I read that he WOULD do the Skill Challenge if he was not selected to the AllStar team.

We'll see.

[Frenchise player]

I heard in his radio show that he would rather go in Las Vegas with his friend Diaw (Hawks player) than go to Denver for the skills challenge.

[Jimcs50]

I thought I read that he WOULD do the Skill Challenge if he was not selected to the AllStar team.

We'll see.


What is his skill?

Picking up hotties from television?

[ducks]

What is his skill?



burning steve fransic
:angel

[2centsworth]

Jason Richardson, Bibby or Webber should have been selected over Manu.


Manu doesn't have the overall numbers.

What a joke.

[SPARKY]

Jason Richardson, Bibby or Webber should have been selected over Manu.


Manu doesn't have the overall numbers.


So what do the coaches know, eh?

[mrose31]

Don't get too excited with pop coaching the team Duncan and Manu may play 10 minutes.

[smeagol]

Jason Richardson, Bibby or Webber should have been selected over Manu.


Manu doesn't have the overall numbers.
Sour grapes from a negative fvck like you. Why am I not surprised?

Are you a spurs fan at all? Instead of being happy for Manu you say you would pick JRich over him.

French kiss a colt, pull the trigger and get it over with, pathetic looser.

[SpursWoman]

French kiss a colt, pull the trigger and get it over with


:wow :lol

[TMTTRIO]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA020805.manu.online.8a8461cc.html

Ginobili to play in All-Star Game
Web Posted: 02/08/2005 11:50 AM CST

Johnny Ludden
Express-News Staff Writer

CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Manu Ginobili has been selected as a reserve for the Western Conference All-Star team.

Ginobili joins Tim Duncan, who was voted a starter last week, at the All-Star Game Feb. 20 in Denver. Spurs coach Gregg Popovich and his staff will coach the West. Beno Udrih will play in the Rookie Challenge on a team coached by Spurs assistant P.J. Carlesimo.

Ginobili is the first Spurs guard since Alvin Robertson in 1988 to make the All-Star Game.
“If you would have told me a month ago, I would have been very surprised,” Ginobili said. “But in the last couple of weeks people have been talking about that, so you start to realize you may have a chance.

“For me, this is huge. Terribly huge.”
Tony Parker was not among the other six reserves selected. He still has the opportunity to be chosen as a replacement by NBA commissioner David Stern if any of the West’s 12 All-Stars can’t play because of injury.
NBA head coaches voted on the reserves for their respective conferences. They weren’t allowed to vote for their own players.

Phoenix’s Amare Stoudemire, Steve Nash and Shawn Marion, Seattle’s Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis, and Dallas’ Dirk Nowitzki are the other West reserves.

“I’m very, very honored because the coaches are the ones who are watching tapes 24-7,” Ginobili said. “Sometimes you may have a special relationship with the fans because the way you play or because where you are from, but coaches are coaches. They don’t care where you are from. They just care if you play good.”
The Eastern Conference reserves are Miami's Dwyane Wade, Gilbert Arenas and Antawn Jamison of the Washington Wizards, Zydrunas Ilgauskas of Cleveland, Ben Wallace of Detroit, Jermaine O'Neal of Indiana and Paul Pierce of Boston.

Notes: Popovich said Duncan, who has a sprained right ankle, will not play tonight against Charlotte. Rasho Nesterovic will be activated from the injured list after missing the past six games with a sprained left ankle.


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[carolgino]

yeah,coaches are coaches^_^

Congrats..Manu..

i still can't fall asleep even it's 4:35am here..

[Rummpd]

The only downside is that Barkely will have to go! (Actually, I like Chuck = I attended Auburn for some graduate work for while after he was there and he was by reputation a party animal as well as a heck of a BB player even back then.)

[Rummpd]

Not sold on Rashard Lewis but the coaches apparently are - so be it.

[tekdragon]

Wonderful news!!!

Congrats to Manu! Well deserved!

Any basketball fan who watches this guy play a few times will become a Manu fan. You can't help but love his game, his hustle, and his heart. The guy's just exciting to watch. He reminds me of Bird in that way: Love him or hate him, you have to watch him play because when he's on the court, something will happen. And if you watch long enough, you're likely to see something you've never seen before.

He's that special.

I think this year he's really come into his own, he's now really comfortable with the NBA game and the NBA season, and I think that he'll finally be able to really show what he can do in the playoffs. He's shown flashes of brilliance on the biggest stage, but I think we've only scratched the surface of his greatness in the clutch. I predict that will change with this year's postseason, but we'll get a glimpse at the All-Star Game. He's going to do something spectacular. Bet on it.

He's ready.

[Medvedenko]

I don't know....good for Manu and the spurs...I guess you need to have 2 players go from the best team in the NBA...Congrats....
I wouldn't have picked him over B Miller, or Bibby...but I like Manu better than those players.

[Obvious]

“I’m very, very honored because the coaches are the ones who are watching tapes 24-7,” Ginobili said. “Sometimes you may have a special relationship with the fans because the way you play or because where you are from, but coaches are coaches. They don’t care where you are from. They just care if you play good.”
That's why this pick is so important, it was made by people who really knows. :rollin

[T Park]

I wouldn't have picked him over B Miller, or Bibby

wich goes to show NBA coaches know more than you, so STFU.

[Guru of Nothing]

I think Tony will participate in the Skills Challenge; so they'll be a lot of Spurs in Denver.

Will Eva be there with Tony? Enquiring minds want to know.

[Medvedenko]

I guess 16,4,4 get's you an All-star appearance....it just shows you how much the record plays into it....Unless the system is keeping his numbers down....I don't know.
I feel for Elton Brand the most...

[whottt]

I guess 16,4,4 get's you an All-star appearance....it just shows you how much the record plays into it....Unless the system is keeping his numbers down....I don't know.
I feel for Elton Brand the most...


Maybe the coaches just know more than you...maybe since he plays against their teams, they have a better gauge of his All Star Worthiness...

Even Magic picked him as an AS.

You cannot judge Manu just by his stats...but you can judge him by his bitch slapping of an All Star Team, Larry Brown and Pop, in the Olympics.

Don't you think there would be something a little wrong with all those Suns making the All Star team ahead of Manu when Manu whipped their ass in the Olympics?

And guess what, he did it a few weeks ago in the NBA also.

I wouldn't get too caught up on stats if I were you...going by stats Kobe damn sure doesn't deserve to be starting...luckily for him the fans are stupid....the fans made Kobe a starter, the coaches made Manu an AS...which selection to you think has more credibility behind it?

[exstatic]

it just shows you how much the record plays into it....
The Lakers benefitted from it, now they have to suck it. Brand was good, but frankly, his numbers don't jump out against the other forwards, and his team is still sucking wind.

[T Park]

BTW,

does

Manu STILL = Manure???


Just curious......


Oh, and where is Ghost's "We dont have a legit star outside of Duncan"

or the "We CANT acquire a star outside of Tim Duncan."

[The_Game]

I wouldn't get too caught up on stats if I were you...going by stats Kobe damn sure doesn't deserve to be starting...luckily for him the fans are stupid....the fans made Kobe a starter, the coaches made Manu an AS...which selection to you think has more credibility behind it?


Yeah it's not like Kobe puts up good numbers..he only averages 27,7 and 7..what terrible stats

[MosesGuthrie]

Jason Richardson, Bibby or Webber should have been selected over Manu.

you are so right. What do NBA coaches know? All they do for a living is NBA ball. :rolleyes


it just shows you how much the record plays into it....

Yeah...probably had nothing to do with the fact that the coaches thought he was worthy of it or anything trivial like that.

mmmm.....can you smell it? (takes large whiff...exhales...) nice, garden fresh hate.

[Medvedenko]

Why do I even try to discuss the merits of an All-star selection....it's all BS...
Hell Steve Francis didn't make the team...that's just sad. He's having a great season on a new team no less. Kobe the most effecient 2 guard in the L and averaging crazy numbers while being hurt and playing on a team with 4 new starters and a new coach. An all-star is indicative of a player you would build your team around...not a guy that doesn't even play 30 minutes a game and has a few all-nba worthy games....big woop. Look, I love Manu....but the NBA obviously likes to market the international players..I'm surprised Gasol didn't make it either.

[SpursWoman]

An all-star is indicative of a player you would build your team around...not a guy that doesn't even play 30 minutes a game and has a few all-nba worthy games....big woop. Look, I love Manu....but the NBA obviously likes to market the international players..I'm surprised Gasol didn't make it either.


No, an All Star Starter is voted in strictly by the fans. How many years in a row has Vince Carter made it? He may be playing now, but do you honestly think he was the best last season...etc? Is Yao honestly better than Shaq?

Manu's selection IMO means more than the starters in terms of actual merit because he was chosen by professionals, not just those who voted everyday on NBA.com and stuffed the ballot at games 'cuz he's cute. :nerd

[whottt]

Yeah it's not like Kobe puts up good numbers..he only averages 27,7 and 7..what terrible stats


NBA Field-Goal Shooting Leaders
Per Game Total ADJ.
NAME GP PPG FGM FGA FGM FGA FG% 2PM 2PA 2P% PPS* FG%
1 Mike Miller, MEM 42 12.4 4.8 9.2 200 386 .518 127 223 .570 1.35 .613
2 Manu Ginobili, SAS 46 15.9 5.2 10.6 238 486 .490 174 323 .539 1.51 .556
3 Dwyane Wade, MIA 46 23.5 7.9 16.5 364 759 .480 361 745 .485 1.42 .482
4 Bobby Simmons, LAC 48 16.4 6.4 13.3 305 637 .479 284 584 .486 1.24 .495
5 Matt Harpring, UTH 44 13.0 4.9 10.5 217 460 .472 209 429 .487 1.24 .480
6 Darius Miles, POR 35 12.4 5.1 10.8 178 378 .471 175 369 .474 1.15 .475
7 Ricky Davis, BOS 48 14.8 5.5 11.9 264 571 .462 229 474 .483 1.25 .493
8 Josh Howard, DAL 40 11.7 4.6 10.0 183 399 .459 164 334 .491 1.17 .482
9 Raja Bell, UTH 42 11.7 4.7 10.3 197 433 .455 161 339 .475 1.13 .497
10 Jalen Rose, TOR 47 16.3 5.9 13.0 276 609 .453 221 463 .477 1.26 .498
11 Michael Redd, MIL 45 22.2 8.3 18.6 372 836 .445 306 667 .459 1.19 .484
12 J. Richardson, GSW 39 22.3 8.9 20.0 347 780 .445 293 600 .488 1.11 .479
13 Joe Johnson, PHO 49 16.1 6.2 14.1 306 689 .444 203 462 .439 1.15 .519
14 Desmond Mason, MIL 44 16.6 5.7 12.8 250 564 .443 249 558 .446 1.29 .444
15 Ben Gordon, CHI 44 13.7 5.0 11.3 220 497 .443 155 348 .445 1.21 .508
16 Vince Carter, NJN/TOR 43 21.0 8.1 18.5 350 794 .441 295 649 .455 1.14 .475
17 Paul Pierce, BOS 48 22.3 7.0 16.0 337 766 .440 281 587 .479 1.40 .477
18 Bonzi Wells, MEM 42 11.2 4.2 9.6 177 403 .439 149 333 .447 1.17 .474
19 R. Hamilton, DET 46 20.2 7.1 16.2 326 745 .438 308 684 .450 1.25 .450
20 Larry Hughes, WAS 34 21.2 7.5 17.3 256 588 .435 223 486 .459 1.23 .463
21 G. Wallace, CHA 40 11.0 4.1 9.5 165 380 .434 155 346 .448 1.16 .447
22 Luol Deng, CHI 44 12.3 4.9 11.3 216 499 .433 187 393 .476 1.08 .462
23 Ray Allen, SEA 43 24.0 8.1 18.8 347 807 .430 235 509 .462 1.28 .499
24 Hedo Turkoglu, ORL 47 13.9 4.9 11.5 232 541 .429 163 369 .442 1.21 .493
25 M. Finley, DAL 31 17.2 6.5 15.3 202 475 .425 147 330 .445 1.12 .483
26 Tracy McGrady, HOU 46 25.8 9.0 21.4 416 983 .423 320 697 .459 1.21 .472
27 Jeff McInnis, CLE 44 15.0 5.7 13.4 250 591 .423 181 402 .450 1.12 .481
28 C. Mobley, ORL/SAC 34 16.1 5.6 13.2 189 450 .420 109 272 .401 1.22 .509
29 J. Stackhouse, DAL 41 15.8 5.2 12.4 213 508 .419 190 416 .457 1.28 .442
30 C. Maggette, LAC 38 21.1 6.2 14.9 236 565 .418 208 467 .445 1.42 .442
31 L. Sprewell, MIN 46 12.5 4.8 11.5 221 530 .417 170 382 .445 1.08 .465
32 Eddie Jones, MIA 49 12.7 4.3 10.3 211 507 .416 124 279 .444 1.23 .502
33 M. Peterson, TOR 48 11.6 3.9 9.5 187 457 .409 108 266 .406 1.22 .496
34 Kobe Bryant, LAL 34 27.5 8.4 20.6 285 702 .406 219 503 .435 1.33 .453
35 J. Crawford, NYK 37 18.6 6.6 16.8 245 622 .394 154 362 .425 1.11 .467
36 Kirk Hinrich, CHI 44 15.8 5.6 14.3 245 627 .391 162 379 .427 1.11 .457
37 David Wesley, NOR/HOU 47 12.1 4.3 11.3 203 531 .382 140 364 .385 1.07 .442
38 Q. Richardson, PHO 49 15.8 5.4 14.3 266 703 .378 117 281 .416 1.10 .484



NBA Three-Point Shooting Leaders
Per Game Total ADJ.
NAME GP PPG 3PM 3PA 3PM 3PA 3P% 2PM 2PA 2P% PPS* FG%
1 Fred Hoiberg, MIN 46 5.6 1.0 1.9 44 88 .500 37 72 .514 1.61 .644
2 Joe Johnson, PHO 49 16.1 2.1 4.6 103 227 .454 203 462 .439 1.15 .519
3 C. Mobley, ORL/SAC 34 16.1 2.4 5.2 80 178 .449 109 272 .401 1.22 .509
4 E. Piatkowski, CHI 35 4.5 0.9 2.0 31 69 .449 24 60 .400 1.23 .547
5 Mike Miller, MEM 42 12.4 1.7 3.9 73 163 .448 127 223 .570 1.35 .613
6 Steve Smith, CHA 31 8.2 1.2 2.6 36 81 .444 47 106 .443 1.36 .540
7 Ben Gordon, CHI 44 13.7 1.5 3.4 65 149 .436 155 348 .445 1.21 .508
8 Jon Barry, ATL/HOU 39 5.9 1.1 2.6 42 100 .420 40 101 .396 1.15 .512
9 M. Peterson, TOR 48 11.6 1.6 4.0 79 191 .414 108 266 .406 1.22 .496
10 Fred Jones, IND 45 10.9 1.3 3.2 58 144 .403 107 241 .444 1.27 .504
11 Hedo Turkoglu, ORL 47 13.9 1.5 3.7 69 172 .401 163 369 .442 1.21 .493
12 Manu Ginobili, SAS 46 15.9 1.4 3.5 64 163 .393 174 323 .539 1.51 .556
13 Jim Jackson, HOU/PHO 32 12.5 2.2 5.7 71 181 .392 78 158 .494 1.18 .544
14 Michael Redd, MIL 45 22.2 1.5 3.8 66 169 .391 306 667 .459 1.19 .484
15 S. Jackson, IND 16 16.1 2.0 5.1 32 82 .390 58 142 .408 1.15 .473
16 Kareem Rush, LAL/CHA 40 8.0 1.0 2.7 41 107 .383 83 216 .384 0.98 .447
17 Raja Bell, UTH 42 11.7 0.9 2.2 36 94 .383 161 339 .475 1.13 .497
18 Eddie Jones, MIA 49 12.7 1.8 4.7 87 228 .382 124 279 .444 1.23 .502
19 Vince Carter, NJN/TOR 43 21.0 1.3 3.4 55 145 .379 295 649 .455 1.14 .475
M. Finley, DAL 31 17.2 1.8 4.7 55 145 .379 147 330 .445 1.12 .483
21 David Wesley, NOR/HOU 47 12.1 1.3 3.6 63 167 .377 140 364 .385 1.07 .442
22 Jalen Rose, TOR 47 16.3 1.2 3.1 55 146 .377 221 463 .477 1.26 .498
23 Ray Allen, SEA 43 24.0 2.6 6.9 112 298 .376 235 509 .462 1.28 .499
24 C. Jacobsen, NOR/PHO 49 5.7 0.8 2.2 39 106 .368 42 96 .438 1.38 .498
25 Jeff McInnis, CLE 44 15.0 1.6 4.3 69 189 .365 181 402 .450 1.12 .481
26 D. Anderson, POR 39 10.3 1.3 3.6 51 140 .364 90 222 .405 1.11 .460
27 Bryon Russell, DEN 41 4.7 0.9 2.4 36 99 .364 22 54 .407 1.27 .497
28 Ricky Davis, BOS 48 14.8 0.7 2.0 35 97 .361 229 474 .483 1.25 .493
29 Juan Dixon, WAS 41 8.9 0.9 2.4 36 100 .360 101 209 .483 1.18 .502
30 Brent Barry, SAS 48 7.0 1.2 3.4 59 164 .360 51 90 .567 1.32 .549
31 Q. Richardson, PHO 49 15.8 3.0 8.6 149 422 .353 117 281 .416 1.10 .484
32 J. Crawford, NYK 37 18.6 2.5 7.0 91 260 .350 154 362 .425 1.11 .467
33 L. Sprewell, MIN 46 12.5 1.1 3.2 51 148 .345 170 382 .445 1.08 .465
34 Tracy McGrady, HOU 46 25.8 2.1 6.2 96 286 .336 320 697 .459 1.21 .472
35 Kirk Hinrich, CHI 44 15.8 1.9 5.6 83 248 .335 162 379 .427 1.11 .457
36 James Posey, MEM 30 8.7 1.3 3.9 39 117 .333 46 110 .418 1.15 .460
37 Kobe Bryant, LAL 34 27.5 1.9 5.9 66 199 .332 219 503 .435 1.33 .453
38 Larry Hughes, WAS 34 21.2 1.0 3.0 33 102 .324 223 486 .459 1.23 .463
39 Paul Pierce, BOS 48 22.3 1.2 3.7 56 179 .313 281 587 .479 1.40 .477
40 Reggie Miller, IND 31 12.1 1.3 4.2 40 129 .310 89 166 .536 1.27 .505
41 J.R. Smith, NOR 41 5.9 0.9 2.8 35 116 .302 58 149 .389 0.92 .417
42 J. Richardson, GSW 39 22.3 1.4 4.6 54 180 .300 293 600 .488 1.11 .479

Doesn't it seem odd to you guys that the Starting Shooting Guard in the AS game is actually one of the worst shooters in the NBA?

But never let the truth get in the way of the hype right?


>>>insert shitty teamate excuse here<<<<

[Medvedenko]

You're telling me that each of the starters who were voted by the fans wouldn't be on the team this year....VC is an all-star...he's a superstar player, yes he's had a few poor stretches....doesn't diminish his talents. It's all about team record...that's all I see.

[ALVAREZ6]

Thank You!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow, This is awesome

[T Park]

Of course not.

I mean, he can dunk and has shown hes a complete sleeze ball.

What else. His shooting is dow because Crank Fu aint there anymore.


But, he would never admit that.

[MosesGuthrie]

Look, I love Manu....but the NBA obviously likes to market the international players..I'm surprised Gasol didn't make it either.

ahh...the time tested conspiracy theory.

Isn't it just possible that the coaches may think he deserves it because of his play?

[MosesGuthrie]

It's all about team record

that is an opinion not a fact.

[SpursWoman]

You're telling me that each of the starters who were voted by the fans wouldn't be on the team this year....VC is an all-star...he's a superstar player, yes he's had a few poor stretches....doesn't diminish his talents. It's all about team record...that's all I see.



Yao > Shaq?

[Nikos]

The league likes to market a lot of things. It is not a big deal.

It is entertainment and a business. And it is not like Kobe did not get his props and hype before the whole rape thing. As a matter of fact he still gets plenty of hype now, especially when he goes against Shaq (see AS game commercial).

BTW, Kobe is far from being the most efficient guard in the NBA. He has been all BUT efficient this season. He has been racking up a bunch of stats, but not efficiently. The NBA calls their stat efficiency, but it is more like accumlated good stats - bad stats. When you play tons of minutes, get a ton of shots your likely to get a high efficiency rating.

The idea is to be efficient based on the number of possesions and shots you get. And Kobe has not been efficient in that regard. His points per shot/possesion are way down this season and he is turning the ball over a lot.

Kobe can and should turn it around. But so far he is underacheiving this season. I expect him to play better when he gets back.

[whottt]

You're telling me that each of the starters who were voted by the fans wouldn't be on the team this year....VC is an all-star...he's a superstar player, yes he's had a few poor stretches....doesn't diminish his talents. It's all about team record...that's all I see.


I'm telling you that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...

The same people that made Yao a starter over Shaq made Kobe a starter...while coaches and HOF players were the ones lobbying for Manu.


>>>>insert typical Lakerfan BS conspiracy theory here<<<<

[Medvedenko]

Whott...thanks I guess if FG% is so important....than the top 8 of the 10 players are not allstars..however are all tops in FG%....yes thanks for your worthless post.

[whottt]

Whott...thanks I guess if FG% is so important....than the top 8 of the 10 players are not allstars..however are all tops in FG%....yes thanks for your worthless post.


Yeah cuz...no one except Kobe the great can average 20 points a game jacking up 29 shots a game.

[Medvedenko]

1. Kevin Garnett (Minnesota Timberwolves) 48 32.81
2. LeBron James (Cleveland Cavaliers) 44 28.39
3. Dirk Nowitzki (Dallas Mavericks) 45 28.16
4. Amare Stoudemire (Phoenix Suns) 49 26.69
5. Tim Duncan (San Antonio Spurs) 48 26.33
6. Shawn Marion (Phoenix Suns) 49 25.80
7. Shaquille O'Neal (Miami Heat) 49 24.96
8. Chris Webber (Sacramento Kings) 39 24.10
9. Kobe Bryant (Los Angeles Lakers) 34 23.85
10. Tracy McGrady (Houston Rockets) 46 23.72
Best Guard in the L....

[Nikos]

Again, they call it efficiency, but that is not what really represents.

It simply means THE GOOD STATS minus the BAD ONES, with no regard to amount of possesions used, PACE of game etc.... You have to factor a lot more things to get a true efficiency type of rating. Not just the addition and subtraction of total player stats.

[Medvedenko]

So I guess stats mean nothing....let's from now on prove players by highlights, pacing, style and shoes and community assistance....Christ....this is just sad.

[LuvBones]

Manu's an all-star!! :spin

I'm so excited I already asked for the ASW nights off. I have the feeling Manu's going to make some very exciting plays. Here's to Manu making more All Star appearances. :drunk

[whottt]

Hey, we haven't been fair to Kobe, I finally found something he is the best in the NBA at...


NBA Turnover Leaders
RNK NAME GP MPG TO TOPG TOP48 AST/TO STL/TO
1 Kobe Bryant, LAL 34 42.0 151 4.4 5.1 1.48 0.30
2 Dwyane Wade, MIA 46 38.7 191 4.2 5.2 1.74 0.36
3 Steve Francis, ORL 47 38.0 192 4.1 5.2 1.71 0.31
4 R. Jefferson, NJN 33 41.1 132 4.0 4.7 1.01 0.25
5 Allen Iverson, PHI 42 42.0 166 4.0 4.5 1.92 0.55
6 J. Tinsley, IND 37 34.0 126 3.4 4.8 1.94 0.62
7 A. Walker, ATL 47 40.1 160 3.4 4.1 1.09 0.36
8 LeBron James, CLE 44 41.5 145 3.3 3.8 2.32 0.71
9 C. Anthony, DEN 40 36.2 131 3.3 4.3 0.87 0.31
10 C. Maggette, LAC 38 36.7 123 3.2 4.2 1.03 0.30
11 J. O'Neal, IND 31 36.4 96 3.1 4.1 0.61 0.22
12 Steve Nash, PHO 46 34.3 142 3.1 4.3 3.61 0.34
13 S. Marbury, NYK 48 39.7 144 3.0 3.6 2.72 0.48
Al Harrington, ATL 46 39.7 138 3.0 3.6 1.04 0.45
15 G. Arenas, WAS 45 39.9 132 2.9 3.5 1.77 0.61
16 Eddy Curry, CHI 41 29.0 120 2.9 4.8 0.26 0.11
17 Paul Pierce, BOS 48 36.3 138 2.9 3.8 1.49 0.59
18 Chris Webber, SAC 39 36.0 112 2.9 3.8 1.78 0.54
19 S. O'Neal, MIA 49 35.1 140 2.9 3.9 1.03 0.14
20 Yao Ming, HOU 48 31.8 134 2.8 4.2 0.28 0.17
21 R. Hamilton, DET 46 39.3 128 2.8 3.4 1.49 0.39
22 Pau Gasol, MEM 39 33.9 107 2.7 3.9 0.97 0.22
23 Kevin Garnett, MIN 48 39.2 129 2.7 3.3 2.22 0.56
Tony Parker, SAS 48 33.6 129 2.7 3.8 2.31 0.40
Carlos Boozer, UTH 48 35.3 129 2.7 3.7 1.06 0.30
26 Tracy McGrady, HOU 46 42.3 123 2.7 3.0 2.15 0.63
27 Zach Randolph, POR 39 35.7 103 2.6 3.5 0.78 0.29
28 Andre Miller, DEN 47 36.7 123 2.6 3.4 2.39 0.56
29 Grant Hill, ORL 45 34.5 117 2.6 3.6 1.42 0.49
30 Ray Allen, SEA 43 39.8 111 2.6 3.1 1.59 0.45
31 Lamar Odom, LAL 46 36.1 118 2.6 3.4 1.32 0.25
32 J. Richardson, GSW 39 38.0 99 2.5 3.2 1.49 0.58
33 C. Billups, DET 45 37.2 113 2.5 3.2 2.50 0.49
34 Elton Brand, LAC 47 37.6 117 2.5 3.2 1.09 0.30
35 Kirk Hinrich, CHI 44 36.9 108 2.5 3.2 2.84 0.61
36 M. Williams, MIL 45 26.6 110 2.4 4.4 2.38 0.34
37 Z. Ilgauskas, CLE 46 33.4 112 2.4 3.5 0.60 0.29
38 Dirk Nowitzki, DAL 45 39.5 109 2.4 2.9 1.23 0.55
39 Ricky Davis, BOS 48 31.5 116 2.4 3.7 1.16 0.50
40 A. Stoudemire, PHO 49 36.4 117 2.4 3.1 0.67 0.46
41 Ben Gordon, CHI 44 22.7 103 2.3 5.0 0.76 0.25
42 Rafer Alston, TOR 46 33.7 105 2.3 3.2 3.11 0.63
Manu Ginobili, SAS 46 29.8 105 2.3 3.7 1.74 0.77
44 Jalen Rose, TOR 47 29.9 106 2.3 3.6 0.96 0.27
45 Kenyon Martin, DEN 44 34.3 99 2.3 3.2 1.21 0.67
46 Chris Bosh, TOR 48 35.7 107 2.2 3.0 0.73 0.40
47 Mark Blount, BOS 48 28.5 106 2.2 3.7 0.84 0.16
48 G. Wallace, CHA 40 29.4 88 2.2 3.6 0.80 0.73
49 Mike Bibby, SAC 46 38.2 99 2.2 2.7 2.95 0.69
50 Doug Christie, ORL/SAC 43 31.3 91 2.1 3.2 1.97 0.73

>>>insert LakerFan's pathetic attempts to sound knowledgable while arguing that FG% and TO's are unimportant here<<<<

[Ghost Writer]

timvp:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=156309#post156309

Better luck next year, Parker.

[Medvedenko]

You're an idiot...the best players in the game are high in Turnovers....man great arguement...what are you proving..I guess your biased opinion on why kobe sucks...but can't really put it past you that all of those supposed coaches and HOF's that we seem to covet would pick Kobe over 99% of all the players in the L. But once again your analysis is worthy of....bullshit.

[whottt]

You're an idiot...the best players in the game are high in Turnovers....man great arguement...what are you proving..I guess your biased opinion on why kobe sucks...but can't really put it past you that all of those supposed coaches and HOF's that we seem to covet would pick Kobe over 99% of all the players in the L. But once again your analysis is worthy of....bullshit.


So all those coaches and HOFers are legitimate when picking Kobe over 99% of the players in the league but not when they pick Manu to be an All Star?

Kick your own ass much?


Stay down Med...just stay the fuck down.

You are on the same side of the fence as the people who voted Yao over Shaq and who vote in guys that haven't played a game all season...

Magic said Manu is an All Star, end of argument!...Suck it and STFU.

The fact is that people who have an enhanced knowledge of the game do see why Manu is an All Star...

While the only ones saying he isn't are nimrod casual fans that can't see beyond PPG.

Manu is the basketball purists pick...those who know the game think Manu is an All Star.

[Medvedenko]

Manu is an all-star...yes you are right...
Should he have been.....no

[whottt]

Yeah cuz PPG is all that matters. You've impressed us with your insight.

[Medvedenko]

PPG does matter....ass....you can't win without scoring the rock.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

Go manu! I dont feel like reading through the rest of the psots that undoubtaldly question the validity of his selcetion and Tony's snub.

[timvp]

timvp:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=156309#post156309

Better luck next year, Parker.

What part of IF didn't you understand?

What team is Chris Whitney on?

Questions.

[whottt]

PPG does matter....ass....you can't win without scoring the rock.

TMac lead the NBA in scoring last season....ass....his team had the worst record in the NBA.

Kobe's scoring is up from last season...ass....how's LA's record compared to last season?

[Medvedenko]

Are you that dense....you win games by scoring points...he's the most effecient guard in the league....they are in the playoff hunt....what more accolades do you need. Manu's not even in the top 20 players in the L. If it wasn't for AK 47's injury earlier...Manu would be watching from the sidelines with Tony L.

[whottt]

By the way Med...I want to give you props...you are the first Lakerfan I've ever seen that is willing to admit AI and TMac are better than Kobe.

[ZStomp]

If they need a replacement for Kobe, it will be a King.

Bank on it.


I don't see Kobe 'sitting' out for the ASG. He likes the limelight too much. Isn't he suppose to be back this week anyway?

[Brodels]

Awesome.

I'm glad he made it, although I've thought he was a borderline case all along. I do feel for Webber. He should be on the team.

It's refreshing to see a player like Manu go. He doesn't have the monster numbers, but he does all of the little things.

More importantly, I'm calling out Jimcs. Francis couldn't even make the all star team in the weaker eastern conference?

I guess it's official now:

Arenas > Francis
Ginobili > Francis

Eventually his style of play and mental incapacity to star in the league were going to catch up with him. And I'm lovin' it.

[Medvedenko]

Did you actually read any of my posts....PPG does matter, just not the be all end all of stats....it's the intangibles plus those stats that matter....rebounds, assists, leadership, grit, composure, making the big plays...
Once again....Kobe's the best guard in the L.

[Brodels]

Rashard Lewis > Francis?

[Medvedenko]

How the hell is Manu better than Francis...I'm getting way too tired about this BS.

[whottt]

PPG does matter, just not the be all end all of stats....

End of argument.

Manu is the only 2 guard in the NBA that is in the top 10 in every single major statistical category.


And he is the most efficient scoring guard in the NBA.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out he would score more if he took more shots.

[SuperManu!!!]

Are you that dense....you win games by scoring points...he's the most effecient guard in the league....they are in the playoff hunt....what more accolades do you need. Manu's not even in the top 20 players in the L. If it wasn't for AK 47's injury earlier...Manu would be watching from the sidelines with Tony L.


This is for you my friend!!!
http://www.geocities.com/felipejulieta/shutup.JPG


This thread is about Manu, not Kobe. Go some elsewere!

[Nikos]

So I guess stats mean nothing....let's from now on prove players by highlights, pacing, style and shoes and community assistance....Christ....this is just sad.

Where the hell did this comment come from? If it was directed at me that was pathetic.

Pace means how fast a team plays. If you are the Kings, Wizards, or Suns you play at a fast pace meaning they get easier baskets, and more opportunities to produce more stats. Understand? Higher pace = more stats. More Stats does not mean BETTER.

I never said Kobes stats mean nothing -- all I said is he is not nearly as efficient as he should be. His offensive efficiency has dropped considerably this season. His team has a lot more room for growth. But he is not getting it out of them yet. We will see if he can when he gets back.

[Ginofan]

there's a difference between the best (i.e. how man points you can score, assists you log, steals...etc) and being the most efficient (fg%, steal to TO ratio, etc)

[ALVAREZ6]

How the hell is Manu better than Francis...I'm getting way too tired about this BS.
How isn't he?

Manu owns Francis.

Dude, don't even bother bringing this up in a Spurs forum.

[Medvedenko]

Yeah...taking more shots matters...like if Mike Miller took more shots than he would average the most points ever in the NBA....once again look at the stats...look at the intangibles....look at history....nuff said.

[ALVAREZ6]

Manu is an all-star...yes you are right...
Should he have been.....no
Why the fuck are you such a hater?

Are you mad because Slava isn't going to denver? Dude, you need to calm down. Manu is without a doubt an all-star, and if you can't accept that, what do you want me to tell you?

Just don't watch the game.

[Buenos Hairys]

I FROM ARGENTINA I SAY FUCK SLAVA PUTA

[Medvedenko]

Manu's my favourite spur...I'm just not blinded by the BS...
Look I mean no disrespect for the majority of you posters (Nikos etc).

[Medvedenko]

Great..the Argentines are here...more non biased postings....yeah right.

[SuperManu!!!]

Yeah...taking more shots matters...like if Mike Miller took more shots than he would average the most points ever in the NBA....once again look at the stats...look at the intangibles....look at history....nuff said.


DUDE....you are really pissed off. Chill out and have a nice big cup of shut the fuck up. Go to the lakers forum and complain there....where not even lakers fans care about stupid Slava :lol

[Nikos]

Yeah...taking more shots matters...like if Mike Miller took more shots than he would average the most points ever in the NBA....once again look at the stats...look at the intangibles....look at history....nuff said.

No one ever said suggested that anyone who takes more shots can be like Kobe or Ray Allen or any elite shooting guard/forward.

The point is Manu is an efficient player who sees a decent amount of possesions as a Spur. And right now he is making really efficient use of those possesions. Its not like hes just a spot up shooter for the team.

It is rather feasible that Manu could put up better stats (not neccesarily Kobe like), but reasonable stats that look appealing from an NBA.comEfficiency Rating or Glory Stats (Pts+Reb+Ast+Stls) standpoint.

[Medvedenko]

Yup...here comes the brilliant responses...
I am pissed off..my original post was congratulating Manu...but once I start seeing people dissing my boy...I get sensitive....but then again...I'll try not to let my emotions dictate my responses.

[Matrix]

The only reason I don't care, well first off we have three and second, us Dagos stick together

[SpursWoman]

The only reason I don't care, well first off we have three and second, us Dagos stick together


:lmao

[totalspurshomer]

whottt vs. medvedenko...

:lol :lol :lol

If I understand your positions, whottt doesn't think Kobe belongs and med doesn't think Manu belongs. OK, guys I think you both know that the truth lies somewhere in between.

First, Manu's numbers and contributions in support of Tim(the star of the team) make him a worthy pick, especially considering who picked him. We have no clue how he would fare as the star of an NBA team. He did great in an Olympic role, but honestly this is the NBA, a whole different animal, regardless of the USA disaster in Athens.

But, playing down Kobe's awesome numbers because of FG% and TO's is just plain wrong. With Shaq gone, his responsibilities, shots, TO's are understandably up, as are his positive stats. I don't know that whottt was implying this, but Kobe easily belongs in All Star game ahead of Manu.

As an aside, I see alot of talk on boards and media alike questioning Kobe and TMac's place on the team. I believe they, along with LeBron, are the only ones averaging 25+, 6, and 6 AND doing so as the unquestioned elite player on their team.(teams that are seen as being less than stacked and/or deep) Kobe's absence has them dropping out of the playoff race. Meanwhile, TMac has slowly taken charge of the Rockets while improving his criticized weaknesses...non-coachable, no defense, no leadership. Anyone here who has closely watched him this year, has seen a TMac that is maturing and transforming. How much or how far he goes...we'll have to wait and see.

[Manu20]

http://www.nba.com/media/spurs/wp0405_manuas_800.jpg

:fro

[SuperManu!!!]

Great wallpaper!!!

[exstatic]

How the hell is Manu better than Francis...I'm getting way too tired about this BS.

Um, DIFFERENT conferences? Besdies, ALL questions and bitches should go to the COACHES in each conference. They voted for the reserves. Injury replacements are fair game for the ol' NBA is marketing foreign players shtick. Stern appoints them.

Francis didn't make it. Michael Redd didn't make it, and I think he's the best pure shooter in the game, and yes, that includes Ray Allen. Tough shit. There are probably 5-6 players each year who deserve to go, but don't. Kwitcherbellyakin. I know it's a shock that you only have one AS this year, Slobber. I know it will be an EQUAL shock to find out that LA has had their share of undeserving All Stars over the years, like Eddie Jones, and a young NVE. Suck it.

[whottt]

Yeah...taking more shots matters...like if Mike Miller took more shots than he would average the most points ever in the NBA....once again look at the stats...look at the intangibles....look at history....nuff said.

What a fucking douche you are...

The motherfucker is scoring 16 ppg on 49% shooting...now how hard do you think it would be for him to score 20 ppg by taking 2 or 3 more shots per game?

Do you think there is some impossible barrier preventing him from doing that? Do you think he is physicaly incapable of doing that?

And don't you dare say it's because he plays with Tim Duncan, Shaq.

Medevdenko, people like you are why Steve Nash isn't starting the AS game...

You haven't impressed anyone with the lame ass BS you are spewing...you have contradicted yourself and kicked your own ass at every turn.

The only thing you have proven here in this argument is that you have a very limited knowledge of the game...as if the fact that you are fan of Slava hadn't already done a good enough job of convincing us of that.

Stay down.

[whottt]

.

Nice breakdown...except for the fact that I never said Kobe doesn't belong.

I didn't like Med's "I guess 16, 4 and 4 gets you an AS berth" comment...since he wanted to get technical about it I got technical about it.


The truth is the starting spots are a lot more questionable than the coaches selections...I mean is it a no-brainer that Kobe deserves to be starting over Ray Allen? Not from my POV...Ray Allen has kicked our butts this season...while Bowen kicked Kobe's butt...and it's not like Allen has Shaq on his team or anything.

And more questionable voting...How in the hell is Steve Nash not starting? The guy is the freaking MVP.

If people want to second guess selections...let's do it with the fan voting...not with the guy that HOFers and coaches are selecting.

[ALVAREZ6]

Great..the Argentines are here...more non biased postings....yeah right.
To start with, you're in a Spurs forum.

What do you expect?

[jcrod]

Woohoo, great Manu. Sure would've of like to see TP in there instead of three PHX.

[ALVAREZ6]

Woohoo, great Manu. Sure would've of like to see TP in there instead of three PHX.
We still have the head coach in there.

[slayermin]

whottt owns medvedenko on this thread.

Congrats, Manu. Well deserved.

Keep your head up TP. Your gonna get there.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

If Pop gives Manu 20 minutes he will be the All-Star game MVP, provided the Suns don't hog the ball with each other.

[SequSpur]

Told you.

[Guru of Nothing]

If Pop gives Manu 20 minutes he will be the All-Star game MVP, provided the Suns don't hog the ball with each other.

Dammit! We can put a man on the moon, but we cannot create a satisfactory internet forum search tool (or maybe I lack savvy). I called Manu for All-Star game MVP before the season started, but now I cannot find it. I expect AHF will back me up because way back when, he agreed with me.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Well I've been saying for a frickin' year now that he would win it if given the chance.

I remember you and I being on the same wavelength on that one.

Manu will go absolutely nuts in a game like that, I can't wait. Oh, and it's one time Pop can let him go and not worry about him causing the Spurs a loss :lol

[TMTTRIO]

I can see every time Manu has the ball in his hands Pop tries everything to not go crazy :lol

[smeagol]

Great..the Argentines are here...more non biased postings....yeah right.
He is not Argentine.

[smeagol]

Slava, a couple of things.

1) Nobody gives a flying fuck if you think Manu deserves or not to be an all-star. The fact is he has been voted by the most bball-savvy people in the world. The 30 NBA coaches. Even legends such as Magic and Charles Barkley, plus numerous bball reporters, have said Manu is an Allstar. So again, trying to downplay his nomination by saying things like:


I guess 16,4,4 get's you an All-star appearance
and

it just shows you how much the record plays into it
and

An all-star is indicative of a player you would build your team around...not a guy that doesn't even play 30 minutes a game and has a few all-nba worthy games....big woop
and

the NBA obviously likes to market the international players

in a Spurs forum just makes you look stupid.

It is harder to argue against the picks for AS reserves, because of the way they are chosen, then the starters (i.e. Yao Ming instead of Shak, last year).

2) Stop saying Kobe is efficient. Go back and read Nikos' posts. Kobe is far from being efficient. When a guy has the ball the amount of time Kobe has it and shoots as many shots as Kobe does, of course he will be on top in the "NBA way of calculating effciency" list. Are you that stupid you can't see this?

3) My man whottt owned you. Please STFU.

[xcoriate]

MAAAANNNNUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


On a side note Barkley is relieved as he can go to the all-star game.

[T Park]

Aggie,

you think for one minute, pop is gonna play him alot of minutes so he can get hurt.

[Guru of Nothing]

STUFF


Homers say what?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

TPark,

I don't think he'll intend to, but after Manu goes ape and is on the verge of winning the MVP, I think he'll give him enough run to pull it out.

[Ghost Writer]

When people like timvp were adornign Tony Parker the next "bi O" in his rookie year, he was posting numbers that were weaker than the great Chris Whitney.

Fact.

[GoSpurs21]

When people like timvp were adornign Tony Parker the next "bi O" in his rookie year, he was posting numbers that were weaker than the great Chris Whitney.

Fact.And you were saying that we need another all star and that Manu was not an all star. So what was your point agian?

[finched]

I hate to change the subject (argument).. but I just wanted to mention that I was at the Spurs-Wiz game today, and Manu was very popular with the DC fans. During the announcement of the starters when the crowd boos for the opposing team, the crowd cheered as loud, if not louder, for Manu than they did for any Wiz player. And every time he scored, he got a good amount of cheers. It was so unexpected, but pretty cool.


That's all. Sorry for the interruption, carry on.

[Taco]

I hate to change the subject (argument).. but I just wanted to mention that I was at the Spurs-Wiz game today, and Manu was very popular with the DC fans. During the announcement of the starters when the crowd boos for the opposing team, the crowd cheered as loud, if not louder, for Manu than they did for any Wiz player. And every time he scored, he got a good amount of cheers. It was so unexpected, but pretty cool.


That's all. Sorry for the interruption, carry on.

That was cool

[nkdlunch]

I hate to change the subject (argument).. but I just wanted to mention that I was at the Spurs-Wiz game today, and Manu was very popular with the DC fans. During the announcement of the starters when the crowd boos for the opposing team, the crowd cheered as loud, if not louder, for Manu than they did for any Wiz player. And every time he scored, he got a good amount of cheers. It was so unexpected, but pretty cool.


That's all. Sorry for the interruption, carry on.


Yeah I noticed that too. He's becoming a very popular player all over the place.

[Medvedenko]

Not to beat dead horse...once again manu had an "all-star" worthy performance last night....against the bobcats no less....considering TD didn't play, I'm surprised by his lack of game...or am I...it's funny, because I love Manu's game....

[angel_luv]

Hey now, he's an all star, get your game on, go play ( lalalalala)!

I am so happy! Gino is the best. It would have been a trav-a-sham-a- mockery if he hadn't made it.
Congrats to him, Timmy, Beno and our awesome coaching staff! Spurs rule!