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08-23-2008, 02:40 PM

Jeff McDonald: Ginobili awaiting 'miracle'
Spurs fans over the years have become used to watching Manu Ginobili make the miraculous look easy. It appears he will have to pull off another such wonder just to suit up for Argentina's Olympic bronze-medal game against Lithuania tonight.

"Only a miracle would allow me to go onto the court," Ginobili told FIBA.com Saturday. "I would need to wake up really good."

Ginobili strained a tendon in his left foot during Friday's game against Team USA, aggravating the same injury that had hobbled him throughout the playoffs last season.

The Spurs, meanwhile, are awaiting results of an MRI that would show the extent of Ginobili's latest injury.

It is too early to determine if Ginobili would need surgery to correct the ailment. He told the FIBA website he is "prepared" to go under the knife, if it comes to that.
http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/

timvp

08-23-2008, 03:05 PM

I've supported Manu so far but if he limps out there for the bronze medal game, my respect for his sanity would plummet.

spurschick

08-23-2008, 03:09 PM

I've supported Manu so far but if he limps out there for the bronze medal game, my respect for his sanity would plummet.

The team played pretty well without him, so I think it's time for him to sit this one out and support the guys who will be carrying the torch for the team from here on out.

Tully365

08-23-2008, 03:24 PM

Yeah-- bronze is just a little too inconsequential to risk further injury.

ducks

08-23-2008, 03:25 PM

I've supported Manu so far but if he limps out there for the bronze medal game, my respect for his sanity would plummet.

yeah lets just completelty screw the spurs

lets play on it and make sure it never heals right

ducks

08-23-2008, 03:26 PM

The team played pretty well without him, so I think it's time for him to sit this one out and support the guys who will be carrying the torch for the team from here on out.

no they could never without the great manu

MannyIsGod

08-23-2008, 03:27 PM

I've supported Manu so far but if he limps out there for the bronze medal game, my respect for his sanity would plummet.

Read that quote. He's going to go do it. This guy just doesn't realize when he should sit down. He probably should have shut himself down last season for the Spurs too. He just doesn't get it.

Man I love Manu a ton, but I really am starting to see his fatal flaws.

Kori Ellis

08-23-2008, 03:30 PM

no they could never without the great manu

Come on, stop already.

Tony is playing international this summer too, even though I'm sure the Spurs aren't thrilled. So stop bashing Manu for it. And Tony's playing in tournament with bad gyms.

It's extremely unfortunate that Manu got hurt, and if he tries to play in the Bronze medal game, that's ridiculous and I will think he has lost his mind. But the never ending bashing for him going to the Olympics this summer is crazy. He was cleared by doctors to play.

ducks

08-23-2008, 03:34 PM

ducks

08-23-2008, 03:35 PM

Read that quote. He's going to go do it. This guy just doesn't realize when he should sit down. He probably should have shut himself down last season for the Spurs too. He just doesn't get it.

Man I love Manu a ton, but I really am starting to see his fatal flaws.

their coach makes him carry the flag to make him feel he has to

argentina is almost as bad as china

Kori Ellis

08-23-2008, 03:37 PM

pop publically told manu not to play
tp has said pop said he could
BIG difference

other then ploto posting he could play in bad gyms does anyone else have proof

and tp is not hurt going into the thing and has rested 2 and half months

manu never rested

Pop suggested that Manu didn't play just like I'm sure he suggested Tony didn't play. But I'm sure he prefers neither one of them play.

And umm.. yeah about the gyms. It was a big topic of conversation last time when multiple players were getting hurt because the floors were uneven, and there weren't adequate facilities.

MaNuMaNiAc

08-23-2008, 03:42 PM

their coach makes him carry the flag to make him feel he has to

argentina is almost as bad as china

WTF?? seriously Ducks learn when to SHUT THE FUCK UP! You've been talking out of your fucking ass for the whole of the offseason. No coach is making Manu wear the flag, Manu wears it because he wants to. Every Argentinian does it, from fans to sports icons, and noone is forcing them to do it. They have national pride, sue them.

ducks, you've turned into a complete fucking moron lately, and I know its intoxicating having free reign to spew your bullshit with all that's been happening lately, but try and control yourself. For starters try not to open your mouth about things you don't know shit about.

I'm all for talking shit when games like these come along, but the Argentinian bashing around here is getting to be pretty fucking lame.

T Park

08-23-2008, 03:50 PM

Read that quote. He's going to go do it. This guy just doesn't realize when he should sit down. He probably should have shut himself down last season for the Spurs too. He just doesn't get it.

Man I love Manu a ton, but I really am starting to see his fatal flaws.

If he does, then you put him on the block.

Hes putting an exhibition game above the team.

Adios.

johngateswhiteley

08-23-2008, 03:50 PM

ducks, you've turned into a complete fucking moron lately...

lately? when is he not a fucking moron?

MaNuMaNiAc

08-23-2008, 03:51 PM

P.S. I'd like to add that I also think Manu suiting up for the bronze is fucking insane given the circumstances. I think most people see this. Anyone rooting for Manu to play injured in a bronze medal game is a fucking idiot in my book.

ducks

08-23-2008, 03:59 PM

Pop suggested that Manu didn't play just like I'm sure he suggested Tony didn't play. But I'm sure he prefers neither one of them play.

And umm.. yeah about the gyms. It was a big topic of conversation last time when multiple players were getting hurt because the floors were uneven, and there weren't adequate facilities.

it was not in the local paper like manu
manu was told in local sa paper not to play

spurs really really did not want manu to go

spurs may or may not be thrilled with tp but they are more ok with him going then manu

but I leave it alone for now

most posters are posting manu should not be playing especacilly tomorrow

MaNuMaNiAc

08-23-2008, 04:01 PM

it was not in the local paper like manu
manu was told in local sa paper not to play

spurs really really did not want manu to go

spurs may or may not be thrilled with tp but they are more ok with him going then manu

but I leave it alone for now

most posters are posting manu should not be playing especacilly tomorrow

Where the fuck do you get this brilliant insight ducky boy?? enlighten us. Stop making shit up, please.

MaNuMaNiAc

08-23-2008, 04:02 PM

lately? when is he not a fucking moron?

yeah, but you let some shit slide, you know what I'm saying? Thing is, I've been reading ducks bullshit for the better part of 3 months, at this point enough shit has been let slide that now it just starts to piss me off.

The thing about ducks is he'll try to camouflage the shit out of his Manu hating. Normally, given this forum's predilection for Manu, there aren't many threads criticizing Manu around for ducks to put in his two cents without being noticed :lol. Now on the other hand, the forum is ripe for his rants. Lots of threads where noone is going to call him out on his comments because they're on par with the thread's theme.

T Park

08-23-2008, 04:07 PM

Where the fuck do you get this brilliant insight ducky boy?? enlighten us. Stop making shit up, please.

actually parker stated Pop was OK with him playing this summer.

While Pop "suggested" Ginobili not play.

greenroom

08-23-2008, 04:13 PM

Where the fuck do you get this brilliant insight ducky boy?? enlighten us. Stop making shit up, please.

Dude. Manu was hurt prior and was still hurt. TP is not hurt as bad as Manu.

Lets be real on this. Do any of the NBA teams want any of there players playing other than with them...NO

But if a player is hurt and decides to play and risk his teams future for his personal gain then yes the team will make it more public.

Kori Ellis

08-23-2008, 04:15 PM

actually parker stated Pop was OK with him playing this summer.

While Pop "suggested" Ginobili not play.

Exactly. PARKER stated Pop was okay with him playing. We haven't heard Pop say anything about it. But I'm sure he's not thrilled with Parker playing - considering that he wanted him to rest this summer and Tony had agreed to that.

In both Manu and Tony's cases, the Spurs or Pop can't tell them what to do. If they are cleared to play by doctors (as Manu was), they can do anything they want in their free time. And yes ... the offseason is their free time. The league can't control players in the summer. They can't make them come to mandatory workouts, they can't stop them from partying, and they can't tell them they can't play in the Olympics. There aren't stipulations in their contracts for these things.

Manu's situation is extremely unfortunate for him, for Argentina and for the Spurs, but you can't tell players not to compete for their national teams.

MaNuMaNiAc

08-23-2008, 04:18 PM

actually parker stated Pop was OK with him playing this summer.

While Pop "suggested" Ginobili not play.

What I read was Pop was going to discourage Manu playing in the Olympics unless the ankle showed significant improvement. Before the Olympics started Manu said the ankle felt great.

I'm not saying Pop was happy about Manu playing, but don't give me this bullshit Pop was alright with Tony playing but didn't want Many to play. I'm pretty damn sure Pop would rather BOTH of them didn't play. Unfortunately that's not his decision.

ducks

08-23-2008, 04:19 PM

Pop suggested that Manu didn't play just like I'm sure he suggested Tony didn't play. But I'm sure he prefers neither one of them play.

And umm.. yeah about the gyms. It was a big topic of conversation last time when multiple players were getting hurt because the floors were uneven, and there weren't adequate facilities.

not publically he did not with tp only manu

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103353
is where tp says pop is OK with it

MaNuMaNiAc

08-23-2008, 04:20 PM

not publically he did not with tp only manu

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103353
is where tp says pop is OK with it

:lol What the hell is OK??

Kori Ellis

08-23-2008, 04:21 PM

not publically he did not with tp only manu

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103353
is where tp says pop is OK with it

Yeah, I know. Tony says Pop is okay with it. That's not the same as Pop saying he's encouraging it. I'm sure Pop would rather have Tony continue to work out with Chip and scrimmage at the practice facility, not trot off overseas to play. And as far as Manu goes - Pop never said he absolutely didn't want him to go. He said he didn't want him to go if he wasn't healthy. And he was cleared to play and feeling good before the games.

ducks

08-23-2008, 04:21 PM

What I read was Pop was going to discourage Manu playing in the Olympics unless the ankle showed significant improvement. Before the Olympics started Manu said the ankle felt great.

I'm not saying Pop was happy about Manu playing, but don't give me this bullshit Pop was alright with Tony playing but didn't want Many to play. I'm pretty damn sure Pop would rather BOTH of them didn't play. Unfortunately that's not his decision.

show me where publically he was not thrilled about it

I have not seen it anywhere

Darthkiller

08-23-2008, 04:22 PM

Obviously i think he should rest but If he can play, he will , otherwise his name will not be ginobili.

Brutalis

08-23-2008, 04:23 PM

No way Manu plays on that thing

He isn't that stupid.

Or is he?

Kori Ellis

08-23-2008, 04:23 PM

so me where publically he was not thrilled about it

I have not seen it anywhere

He hasn't said he's thrilled or not thrilled. That's the point.

ducks

08-23-2008, 04:26 PM

He hasn't said he's thrilled or not thrilled. That's the point.
MY point is pop thought it was important enough to pubically tell manu not to play but not tp

MaNuMaNiAc

08-23-2008, 04:32 PM

It wasn't as if he called a freaking press conference just to state he didn't want Manu to play. The issue about Manu playing in the Olympics was pretty public at the time, so Pop had no choice but. The reason why it was public was because Manu was hurt at the time, hence why he added the "unless the ankle showed significant improvement" part.

T Park

08-23-2008, 04:40 PM

What I read was Pop was going to discourage Manu playing in the Olympics unless the ankle showed significant improvement. Before the Olympics started Manu said the ankle felt great.

I'm not saying Pop was happy about Manu playing, but don't give me this bullshit Pop was alright with Tony playing but didn't want Many to play. I'm pretty damn sure Pop would rather BOTH of them didn't play. Unfortunately that's not his decision.

Im just telling you what Parker said.

No need to insult me kiddo.

IceColdBrewski

08-23-2008, 04:43 PM

MY point is pop thought it was important enough to pubically tell manu not to play but not tp

Stop it already. It wasn't that long ago that the Spurs didn't want Tony to play for his country after an ankle problem. And (as usual) you turned into the worlds biggest Tony Parker appologist. I remember you making some sort of an excuse that it would be good for Tony so he could lose any weight he might have gained over the summer. :lol

But let me guess. It's only selfish if Manu plays for his country after an ankle injury. Right?

MaNuMaNiAc

08-23-2008, 04:47 PM

Im just telling you what Parker said.

No need to insult me kiddo.

Show me where I insulted you there T Park?

Either way, I was not trying to. I apologize

T Park

08-23-2008, 04:47 PM

Yeah Duck's is Whottt esque though in he will refuse to acknowledge that he was wrong or right in anything.
Quite annoying.

T Park

08-23-2008, 04:48 PM

Show me where I insulted you there T Park?

Either way, I was not trying to

Saying "dont give me this bullshit" is termed not exactly friendly in america, dunno about argentina.

Bruno

08-23-2008, 04:49 PM

I don't think that Parker playing with the NT this summer is a huge problem for Pop. Parker has had a lot of rest and, while there is greater risk of getting an injury than when you practice, playing with the NT is a good way to be in shape for the NBA season.

And it doesn't mean that Parker is a more loyal Spur than Ginobili. In the past, Parker has played for his NT while Pop was very worried about that. It was the case during the 2005 summer.

MaNuMaNiAc

08-23-2008, 04:50 PM

Saying "dont give me this bullshit" is termed not exactly friendly in america, dunno about argentina.

:lol Don't give me this bullshit means don't give me this bullshit. Its not a personal insult. Its aimed at the content of what you're saying. Again though, I apologize for the missunderstanding.

MaNuMaNiAc

08-23-2008, 04:52 PM

And it doesn't mean that Parker is a more loyal Spur than Ginobili. In the past, Parker has played for his NT while Pop was very worried about that. It was the case during the 2005 summer.

and this is the kind of thing I recriminate ducks. I don't judge Tony for wanting to play for his national team. I understand that Spurs fans would rather he didn't though. Ducks on the other hand, only complains about shit when Manu is involved.

T Park

08-23-2008, 05:00 PM

:lol Don't give me this bullshit means don't give me this bullshit. Its not a personal insult. Its aimed at the content of what you're saying. Again though, I apologize for the missunderstanding.

Well the content is accurate.

Sorry it doesn't fit what you want to believe.

MaNuMaNiAc

08-23-2008, 05:01 PM

Well the content is accurate.

Sorry it doesn't fit what you want to believe.

Wrong the content is misleading, I've already explained why.

MaNuMaNiAc

08-23-2008, 05:04 PM

By the way, just so people know, Ginobili has already stated to Argentine media that he is DEFINITELY NOT playing against Lithuania.

EDIT: Here's the link (http://www.infobae.com/contenidos/399199-100884-0-Gin%C3%B3bili-confirm%C3%B3-que-no-estar%C3%A1-Lituania) for those that speak Spanish.

kobyz

08-23-2008, 05:04 PM

i didn't understand: is this the same injury from the playoff?

smeagol

08-23-2008, 05:29 PM

He is not playing. It is all over the Argie media.

DPG21920

08-23-2008, 05:47 PM

Saying "dont give me this bullshit" is termed not exactly friendly in america, dunno about argentina.

Aren't you the one always telling people to drink drain-o? Lame, quit crying about people insulting you if you are going to do the same thing.

T Park

08-23-2008, 06:07 PM

Wrong the content is misleading, I've already explained why.

So Parker is lying?

Okkk

T Park

08-23-2008, 06:08 PM

Aren't you the one always telling people to drink drain-o? Lame, quit crying about people insulting you if you are going to do the same thing.

Don't like it? There's the fuckin door kid.

ducks

08-23-2008, 06:37 PM

Stop it already. It wasn't that long ago that the Spurs didn't want Tony to play for his country after an ankle problem. And (as usual) you turned into the worlds biggest Tony Parker appologist. I remember you making some sort of an excuse that it would be good for Tony so he could lose any weight he might have gained over the summer. :lol

But let me guess. It's only selfish if Manu plays for his country after an ankle injury. Right?

looks like ice is here to defend manu
but does not even post anything all summer:rolleyes

ducks

08-23-2008, 06:38 PM

carina_gino20

08-23-2008, 06:39 PM

looks like ice is here to defend manu
but does not even post anything all summer:rolleyes

Because that really makes a difference whether his point is valid or not.:lol

ducks

08-23-2008, 06:40 PM

He is not playing. It is all over the Argie media.

thank you

ducks

08-23-2008, 06:41 PM

I was not thrilled with tp playing when he was hurt
I am only ok with tp going now because pop said it was ok
he knows the players more then anyone here

E20

08-23-2008, 06:47 PM

Manu > TP

IceColdBrewski

08-23-2008, 07:14 PM

looks like ice is here to defend manu
but does not even post anything all summer:rolleyes

Weak.

I call you out for being a hypocrite, and all you've got to come back with is my summertime post count? :lol

You were here to defend Parker's decision when he pulled the same shit. And if memory serves, Parker ended up breaking his finger after the Spurs told him he should stay home. But of course, you defended him.

By your logic, Tony was being just as "selfish" as Manu. Both were asked to stay home after finishing the season with a sore ankle, and both went on to get injured after answering the call of their home country.

Don't be a two-faced dick about it. You're being a hypocrite, and everybody knows it.

DarkMaverick

08-23-2008, 07:37 PM

Manu wants to play for his country in the bronze medal game but it doesnt mean he will play. There is huge difference between wanting to play vs. actually playing.

So I suggest the Manu haters here to shut up or eat shit.

mytespurs

08-23-2008, 08:08 PM

From the sound of it, Manu may only be a cheerleader at best in the game for the bronze. Personally, I don't think he should push it.....just be there to support your team in their bronze medal game.

TheMadHatter

08-23-2008, 08:12 PM

I hope for Spurs fans that Ginobili's injury isn't going to sideline him for the rest of his career.

Everyone here saying they should trade him needs to realize he actually has very little trade value right now. Nobody is going to give up quality assets for someone who seems to be injury prone at this stage in his career. You are stuck with Manu, for better or worse.

T Park

08-23-2008, 08:20 PM

Uh as much as that would make you happy, it is not a career ending injury.

urunobili

08-23-2008, 09:27 PM

Manu will not play. He stepped out of the game because he felt pain and promised he wouldnt do so under such circumstances. he'll get his medal in the ceremony if ARG wins though :) he deserves it

anakha

08-23-2008, 09:37 PM

Don't like it? There's the fuckin door kid.

Double standards, much?

ducks

08-23-2008, 10:55 PM

Weak.

I call you out for being a hypocrite, and all you've got to come back with is my summertime post count? :lol

You were here to defend Parker's decision when he pulled the same shit. And if memory serves, Parker ended up breaking his finger after the Spurs told him he should stay home. But of course, you defended him.

By your logic, Tony was being just as "selfish" as Manu. Both were asked to stay home after finishing the season with a sore ankle, and both went on to get injured after answering the call of their home country.

Don't be a two-faced dick about it. You're being a hypocrite, and everybody knows it.
I was not in favor of him going over there
your memory does not serve you well