If Manu needs surgery, should Spurs pursue Kirk Snyder?

[Tully365]

With the possibility that Manu may need surgery-- which would mean missing some games in the first half of the season-- should the Spurs look to sign another wing? I think they should consider Kirk Snyder. He would be cheaper than some players with comparable stats, & he's still very young, having been drafted at #16 just 3 years ago. After being traded to Minnesota from Houston last year, he started 18 games, including his best on April 12 where he went for 22 pts, 11 rebs, 2 assists, 3 steals, and a block in 38 minutes. His rebounding ability is similar to Kelenna Azubuike's and Udoka's. He didn't take many threes last year, but shot a respectable 35% from there in the two previous years. Of the remaining free agents, I think he has the most potential upside, and would be extremely affordable. Here are some numbers comparisons:

Kirk Snyder
2007-08 Statistics
PPG 7.3
RPG 3.5
APG 1.8
SPG 0.6
BPG 0.4
FG% 0.508
FT% 0.727
3P% 0.217
MPG 21.1

Kelenna Azubuike
2007-08 Statistics
PPG 8.5
RPG 4.0
APG 0.9
SPG 0.6
BPG 0.4
FG% 0.445
FT% 0.717
3P% 0.364
MPG 21.4

Ime Udoka
2007-08 Statistics
PPG 5.8
RPG 3.1
APG 0.9
SPG 0.8
BPG 0.2
FG% 0.424
FT% 0.759
3P% 0.370
MPG 18.0

[The Franchise]

If you were to sign Kirk Snyder you would end up regretting it more than the Bonner signing. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!!!!!!!:nope

[Tully365]

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[Tully365]

If you were to sign Kirk Snyder you would end up regretting it more than the Bonner signing. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!!!!!!!:nope

Why? Attitude problems?

[The Franchise]

Here's a comparison in games which Azubuike and Snyder started. Their numbers are relatively similar.


Azubuike:
G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF REB APG SPG BPG PPG
As A Starter 17 17 33.1 .426 .391 .718 1.8 3.5 5.4 1.2 0.8 0.3 12.9


Snyder: G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF REB APG SPG BPG PPG
As A Starter 18 18 27.1 .533 .100 .745 1.1 4.0 5.1 2.2 0.6 0.5 9.6

Yeah but Kirk Snyder is as Dumb as they come. When he's out on the floor he seems lost and out of sync. I would cheer for him hoping he would come around only to have my hopes dashed repeatedly. The spurs are my second favoite team so I would hate for them to waste any more money. Kirk Snyder would just be a study in futility.

[Texas_Ranger]

Snyder....NOT!!!

Azabuki....YES!!!

[Tully365]

Yeah but Kirk Snyder is as Dumb as they come. When he's out on the floor he seems lost and out of sync. I would cheer for him hoping he would come around only to have my hopes dashed repeatedly. The spurs are my second favoite team so I would hate for them to waste any more money. Kirk Snyder would just be a study in futility.

I unposted those starter stats cuz I couldn't fix them from being all jumbled up-- sorry 'bout that. But I think he showed progress as a starter in Minnesota last year & for a 1 year/1.9 or 2 yr/3.8 deal it would be a very inexpensive risk. That's all the Spurs have to offer right now, so there's no risk of a Bonner-type deal.

[ChumpDumper]

We're begging now, not choosing.

Sign him up.

[Tully365]

We're begging now, not choosing.

Sign him up.

It's a kind of dignified begging though, don't you think?

[dbestpro]

Bonzi Wells might have something left in the tank.

[ChumpDumper]

Granted it is easy to beg using $4-5 million over a couple of years.

[Tully365]

Granted it is easy to beg using $4-5 million over a couple of years.

:lol
I've begged for less.

[T Park]

Link to where it says Ginobili needs surgery?

[Tully365]

Link to where it says Ginobili needs surgery?

The word "IF" starts the post. You saw that, right?

[xtremesteven33]

id rather pursure Ben Gordon

[Tully365]

id rather pursure Ben Gordon

Gordon turned down a 5 year/50 mil offer-- do you think he'll sign for 1.9 mil now? Plus he's restricted.

[Bruno]

No, Mason/Finley/Bowen/Udoka is enough.
Spurs have played full seasons with 4 wings, they can do it if Manu miss some time this season because of his injury.

[Allanon]

No, Mason/Finley/Bowen/Udoka is enough.
Spurs have played full seasons with 4 wings, they can do it if Manu miss some time this season because of his injury.

Mason's the only guy capable of big time scoring but he's been pretty inconsistent. Finley of course can have some big nights but he's looked a bit old last year, I wonder how much is left in the tank.

Spurs have faced alot of scoring droughts and I don't think they have enough scoring help for TD and TP right now. This team looks alot like the Cavaliers right now, great defense but offensively challenged.

'Melo, Steve Blake, Jamaal Crawford, Linas Kleiza would be perfect for the Spurs, I just don't know how they'd get a player of that caliber.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Snyder....NOT!!!

Azabuki....YES!!!

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[Solid D]

He's a strong, athletic player who doesn't stick with teams. T-Wolves the latest to turn up their nose to keeping him. The Spurs would probably find a better 3-point shooting wing locally (one of the high schools or Gold's Gym). He could fill a slot but...he's not such a good option.

[BigVee]

With increased playing time, which seems probable now, I think Udoka will be a pleasant surprise.

[T Park]

If Hairston would've taken advantage of his summer league team time better, he would've been a good option to fill the vacant slot.

[xtremesteven33]

With increased playing time, which seems probable now, I think Udoka will be a pleasant surprise.



you may have a point.

it seems like a lot of people have forgot about the spurs "project" in progress.

hopefully he can contribute a whole lot more next year.

[T Park]

Also, theres better ideas than Kirk Snyder, Snyder is a stiff.

[SenorSpur]

If Hairston would've taken advantage of his summer league team time better, he would've been a good option to fill the vacant slot.

My thoughts exactly.

Hell, I'm still lamenting the fact that Marcus Williams turned out a dud and never got a chance to develop. How good would he (or another player of similar ilk) have looked in his 2nd year for this franchise?

Perhaps even another athletic wing player who may have been on the board at pick #33 in last year's NBA draft.

[Walton Buys Off Me]

Kirk Snyder....?

We're talking about replacing the number 2 player in the world with a guy I haven't even heard of?

[Tully365]

Also, theres better ideas than Kirk Snyder, Snyder is a stiff.

For the LLE or less? Name one.

[Tully365]

Kirk Snyder....?

We're talking about replacing the number 2 player in the world with a guy I haven't even heard of?

Did you know who Ime Udoka was before the Spurs signed him?
Snyder wouldn't replace Manu. He'd be third in the depth chart behind Mason and Finley.

[century]

I think they should consider Kirk Snyder.

Huh? Or maybe a can of Campbell's tomato soup?

It is just fucking sad that we're talking about the most successful NBA team in the last ten years....:bang

[Tully365]

Huh? Or maybe a can of Campbell's tomato soup?

It is just fucking sad that we're talking about the most successful NBA team in the last ten years....:bang

I don't see what's sad about suggesting a very cheap option for a guy who would be the 4th or 5th guy off the bench for a few months in the event that Manu needs surgery... I think you're over-reacting. Teams aren't composed of 15 all-stars. Smart FOs find bargains to fill out rosters.

[DPG21920]

If Hairston would've taken advantage of his summer league team time better, he would've been a good option to fill the vacant slot.

I still find it odd that neither Hill or Hairston have recieved an offer yet. I wonder if there is a trade really being discussed or if the Spanoulis rumor might be true and they are waiting...

[T Park]

For the LLE or less? Name one.


I'd have to look at the free agency list but trust me, anything is better than that brain dead retard.

[T Park]

I still find it odd that neither Hill or Hairston have recieved an offer yet. I wonder if there is a trade really being discussed or if the Spanoulis rumor might be true and they are waiting...


Whats the hurry? They have their rights. Nothing new in it.

[Allanon]

I still find it odd that neither Hill or Hairston have recieved an offer yet. I wonder if there is a trade really being discussed or if the Spanoulis rumor might be true and they are waiting...

What Spanoulis rumor is that? Hell if they could get Spanoulis to come over, the Spurs could come out on top again.

[mountainballer]

snyder isn't the worst idea. in fact, if he signed for small money (a contract like Ime's), he is a low risk high reward option.
people should look at his defensive potential.
he is not just athletic, he is one of the few players, who are strong enough to withstand the strongest wings, but still quick enough for to stay in front of any player at his position.
the question are bb smarts and character. maybe he will never get it, but could he ever find a better environment to somehow get it than with the Spurs?
in the position the Spurs are in currently, it seems smarter to take a low risk gamble rather than look for another JV type signing.
btw. anyone remember James Posey in his first years? he also wasn't called smart and he was also somehow problematic. (and as far as I remember, the Rockets fans also didn't exactly love him). if it was possible to turn Posey into a a player with a decent understanding of the game and a perfect role player, why not try with a player, who displays almost exactly the same potential?

[Biggems]

I would rather sign Luke Jackson if he is available

[DPG21920]

Whats the hurry? They have their rights. Nothing new in it.

Well I know in Hairston's case they lose his rights and he becomes a FA if they do not make him an offer before training camp. It also seems a little strange that considering there is not much room for negotiation (80%-120%) because of the rookie pay scale and no other back ups that Hill would not have gotten an offer. Just leads me to believe that something may be in the works, not sure.

Haven't most of the first rounders already been signed?

[bigdog]

First of all, chill out about Manu. If he does need surgery, then we can all go fucking insane.

But KIRK SNYDER? That guy is horrible. His jumpshot is horrible.

[DPG21920]

What Spanoulis rumor is that? Hell if they could get Spanoulis to come over, the Spurs could come out on top again.

Yes. Our resident Spanoulis lover has said the he and the Spurs were in talks before the Olympics and were waiting until after they ended to negotiate. He posted an article, but I, along with others, seriously doubt it is true.

[DROB4EVER]

Yes sign snyder, he can play the 2 or 3 and is very athletic. He can drawl fouls and gets to the rim. So GMs believe he can be a solid 3rd scoring option. Im not that optomistic but I can see him as a good fourth or fifth guy.

Not many players his size still out there.

On the Spanoulis front, I have also heard he wants to join the spurs. I know there was talk between his reps and the spurs and one reason spurs have not signed Malik is to see whats up with Spanoulis.

He said he wanted to play over seas one yr and come back so nows his chance. He could give us a lift of the bench. I think he will be a spur either this yr or in 2010.

[DPG21920]

If we get Spanoulis, in my opinion that would give the Spurs the best pg combo in the league.

[Tully365]

First of all, chill out about Manu. If he does need surgery, then we can all go fucking insane.

But KIRK SNYDER? That guy is horrible. His jumpshot is horrible.

He shot 50.8% FG last year-- that's higher than Bowen, Udoka, Finley, and Mason. He isn't a big time scorer, but he does attack the rim and rebound well, and is relatively efficient. Again, let me emphasize, he is not a star or a replacement for Manu-- he is a cheap solution to a 5th wing. Jesus, some of you act like I'm comparing him to Danny Granger or Luol Deng.

[DROB4EVER]

He shot 50.8% FG last year-- that's higher than Bowen, Udoka, Finley, and Mason. He isn't a big time scorer, but he does attack the rim and rebound well, and is relatively efficient. Again, let me emphasize, he is not a star or a replacement for Manu-- he is a cheap solution to a 5th wing. Jesus, some of you act like I'm comparing him to Danny Granger or Luol Deng.

I agree, go get him for LLE better option the Hairston

[Tully365]

snyder isn't the worst idea. in fact, if he signed for small money (a contract like Ime's), he is a low risk high reward option.
people should look at his defensive potential.
he is not just athletic, he is one of the few players, who are strong enough to withstand the strongest wings, but still quick enough for to stay in front of any player at his position......

.....btw. anyone remember James Posey in his first years? he also wasn't called smart and he was also somehow problematic. (and as far as I remember, the Rockets fans also didn't exactly love him). if it was possible to turn Posey into a a player with a decent understanding of the game and a perfect role player, why not try with a player, who displays almost exactly the same potential?

That's a very interesting point. I remember when Jerry West signed Posey as a FA in Memphis-- it hardly even registered as a story back then.

[Dramon]

He shot 50.8% FG last year-- that's higher than Bowen, Udoka, Finley, and Mason. He isn't a big time scorer, but he does attack the rim and rebound well, and is relatively efficient. Again, let me emphasize, he is not a star or a replacement for Manu-- he is a cheap solution to a 5th wing. Jesus, some of you act like I'm comparing him to Danny Granger or Luol Deng.

He shot over 50% playing for the T-wolves, a very bad team. Theres a very good chance his percentage is gonna plummet if he were to play for the Spurs, especially if he can't figure out the offense. Also, for a 4th option/role player he's kinda turnover prone averaging 1.8 turnovers last season, while most Spurs not in the big 3 averaged < .8.

Signing this guy would be a waste, we already have Mason. Even if he gets signed to a minimum contract, regardless of risk, it ties up the FO's hands for later in the season if they get in a crunch or another deal comes along. The season is still months away so who knows will happen from here to the playoffs.

[SenorSpur]

With the possibility that Manu may need surgery-- which would mean missing some games in the first half of the season-- should the Spurs look to sign another wing? I think they should consider Kirk Snyder. He would be cheaper than some players with comparable stats, & he's still very young, having been drafted at #16 just 3 years ago. After being traded to Minnesota from Houston last year, he started 18 games, including his best on April 12 where he went for 22 pts, 11 rebs, 2 assists, 3 steals, and a block in 38 minutes. His rebounding ability is similar to Kelenna Azubuike's and Udoka's. He didn't take many threes last year, but shot a respectable 35% from there in the two previous years. Of the remaining free agents, I think he has the most potential upside, and would be extremely affordable. Here are some numbers comparisons:

Kirk Snyder
2007-08 Statistics
PPG 7.3
RPG 3.5
APG 1.8
SPG 0.6
BPG 0.4
FG% 0.508
FT% 0.727
3P% 0.217
MPG 21.1

Kelenna Azubuike
2007-08 Statistics
PPG 8.5
RPG 4.0
APG 0.9
SPG 0.6
BPG 0.4
FG% 0.445
FT% 0.717
3P% 0.364
MPG 21.4

Ime Udoka
2007-08 Statistics
PPG 5.8
RPG 3.1
APG 0.9
SPG 0.8
BPG 0.2
FG% 0.424
FT% 0.759
3P% 0.370
MPG 18.0

How about DeMarr Johnson? Are we forgetting about him? He could be a servicable stop-gap solution. After all, he's played in the system before and is a long, athletic shooter.

[Tully365]

How about DeMarr Johnson? Are we forgetting about him? He could be a servicable stop-gap solution. After all, he's played in the system before and is a long, athletic shooter.

I thought he signed in europe... I'll do some research later. I thought Julius Hodge might be interesting too, but he signed in Australia I believe.

[wisnub]

Bonzi Wells might have something left in the tank.

AGREE I LIKE BONZI

[Tully365]

He shot over 50% playing for the T-wolves, a very bad team. Theres a very good chance his percentage is gonna plummet if he were to play for the Spurs, especially if he can't figure out the offense. Also, for a 4th option/role player he's kinda turnover prone averaging 1.8 turnovers last season, while most Spurs not in the big 3 averaged < .8.

Signing this guy would be a waste, we already have Mason. Even if he gets signed to a minimum contract, regardless of risk, it ties up the FO's hands for later in the season if they get in a crunch or another deal comes along. The season is still months away so who knows will happen from here to the playoffs.

I agree on the turnovers, that's a concern. The FG% could potentially go up on a good team-- there weren't as many options to distract defenders in Minnesota... Doing nothing could be the wisest move, saving the LLE for next year, although he could be a possible trade asset to bundle with other players... anyway, thanks for a well thought out answer. It gets annoying when someone on Spurstalk suggests a 12th or 13th insurance guy for a minimum salary and people immediately respond with he sucks he's not an all-star! he won't score 15 points a game....

[Tully365]

Now the thread title can officially be:

Manu will definitely get surgery. Should the Spurs pursue Kirk Snyder?

[Spurs Brazil]

Now the thread title can officially be:

Manu will definitely get surgery. Should the Spurs pursue Kirk Snyder?

I'd go after Q.Ross first

[ShoogarBear]

Now the thread title can officially be:

Manu will definitely get surgery.

It's your fault!

[Sissiborgo]

No!..

[Spurtacus]

Pass.

[Tully365]

It's your fault!

:lol
I'm rushing out right now to get a lottery ticket! Didn't realize I had the gift of prophecy!

[Tully365]

I'd go after Q.Ross first

I know his D is very good, but he doesn't take threes at all (he has made 12 threes in 4 years!) and his FG% was 39% last year. Snyder has shortcomings, but if Ross put up Snyder's stats next year it would be a career best season for him in terms of points, rebounds, assists, and FG% by a long shot.

I don't know about his locker room presence-- he might be more level-headed and mature, which was one of Snyder's problems in the past, though not in Minnesota as far as I've read. Has Ross gotten any interest that you know of? I know Boston looked at Snyder...

[Allanon]

An update on Shaun Livingston,

I guess he is available after all, I had heard earlier reports the Lakers looked at him but found him totally not ready. But from Warriors rumors, Livingston can play 5 on 5 now.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't want to replace an injury-prone player with an even more injury-prone player.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

This is like the 7th jinx thread this offseason. If we didn't jinx anything, Maggette and Gist would be on the team, and Manu would be in tiptop shape.

Ok, not exactly. But still, fuck off with the jinx threads.

[Tully365]

This is like the 7th jinx thread this offseason. If we didn't jinx anything, Maggette and Gist would be on the team, and Manu would be in tiptop shape.

Ok, not exactly. But still, fuck off with the jinx threads.

:lol Geez, still believing in jinxes in the 21 century, huh? Maybe if you sacrifice a virgin to the Sun God or read one of the selections from the Oprah Book Club, you'll be able to undo the jinx, and also end all wars and illnesses.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:lol Geez, still believing in jinxes in the 21 century, huh? Maybe if you sacrifice a virgin to the Sun God or read one of the selections from the Oprah Book Club, you'll be able to undo the jinx, and also end all wars and illnesses.

You'll have to call Chuck Norris if you need that to happen.

[Tully365]

You'll have to call Chuck Norris if you need that to happen.

:lol
That bastard jinxed Bruce Lee! Screw him!

[Danny.Zhu]

With this terrible news, the roger mason deal seems to make sense.

[Tully365]

I'd have to look at the free agency list but trust me, anything is better than that brain dead retard.

Hmmm... still waiting on a single name...

[century]

Kirk-fucking-who?:lmao

[Manufan909]

I second that.

[Tully365]

Kirk-fucking-who?:lmao

Innovative use of a smilie.

So your argument is that you only know the stars of the league, and therefore bringing up a lesser known bench/role player's name doesn't impress you... the guy with a limited knowledge of the NBA? That's a convincing argument...

[rapliketp]

If you were to sign Kirk Snyder you would end up regretting it more than the Bonner signing. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!!!!!!!:nope

Why not? He has a hot wife.

[angelbelow]

damn if only we landed KA :)