Manu to have surgery.

[DaDakota]

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/08/29/sports/LA-BKN-Ginobili-Surgery.php

.....out 6-8 weeks....Article below, for the click challenged.

BUENOS AIRES, Argentina: San Antonio Spurs guard Manu Ginobili says he needs arthroscopic surgery to repair a ligament injury in his left heel after playing for Argentina in the Beijing Olympics.

"They're going to operate on me," Ginobili was quoted as saying by Argentina's La Nacion newspaper Friday.

Ginobili, who helped lead Argentina to a bronze medal in Beijing, said a subsequent MRI exam of his injured ankle showed no improvement.

"It's the same as it was two months ago, when they did the first exam," he said. "It's not worse, which is important. Now, the thing is, it's not better either, and it seems like the only way to repair it completely is arthroscopic surgery."

Ginobili first hurt the ankle during the NBA playoffs, and Spurs coach Gregg Popovich had urged his player not to compete in the Olympics unless the injury improved. Ginobili had to sit out the bronze-medal match against Lithuania after feeling pain during the semifinals against the United States.

Ginobili, 31, said he doesn't know what doctor will perform the surgery or when.

"Aside from this situation, I'm comfortable with the situation," he said. "My plan was to be part of the Olympic games, and I knew that if I suffered from pain they would have to operate. This isn't something that took me by surprise."


DD

[JamStone]

What a pussy.

[E20]

So he should be ready around the beginign of the season, but his minutes should definintely be limited to around 20 MPG maybe a little more.

[BlackSwordsMan]

trade him now!

[bdictjames]

Has he had surgery before?

[mrspurs]

Welcome back Michael Finley, and for those of you Spurs Fans who had no problems with Manu playing in the Olympics. This is what happens when you let a player decide whether or not he plays or sits depending on what the doctor says. (You cant tell me someone didnt have the money to do an MRI on the side, its done for Players Personal Insurance Policys.) And there are still fans out there, who have no problems with TP playing overseas at the moment :lol. Its a no brainer Pop is furious, the FO is upset. This is the future of the San Antonio Spurs, not some country called Argentina or France. Like it or not, but with our current roster, we will live and die from beyond the arc, because now teams only have to stop one penetrator. TP. Someone should Text TP. :wow

[Walton Buys Off Me]

I bet Roger Mason's agent wishes they had waited till after the Olympics before signing......

[rayray2k8]

Unbelievable......
Sounds like he wanted to get hurt..
On the bright side, it gives some of the new talent some minutes.

[angel_luv]

Manu and his ankles are in my prayers.

Be healed quickly, MG. :)

[Cherry]

“I will undergo surgery, but I would make the same decision of going to Beijing again”

By Manu
Translation By Urunobili

San Antonio – Here I am, back in San Antonio, happy with the Bronze medal won in the games and ready to face a new season on the NBA. After I arrived they immediately did an MRI on my left ankle, more than anything to check how the ligament looked, if it was bigger or smaller than last time we checked or if it was damaged. Basically, the studies indicated that it’s just like it was two months ago when I got the first MRI. It is not worse which is important. Now the thing is it is not better either, and it looks that the only way for a total recovery is to undergo arthroscopic surgery.

There is still no timeline defined for the intervention, I do not know either what doctor will do it, but the thing is I must to do this. I was explained that they have to clean the area where the scar is and bring the ligament to its normal size for it not to bother any more. Today, the ankle doesn’t hurt when I walk, but it does when I jump or run. On these cases, the rehab period it’s from six to eight weeks, but I don’t know if on the eight week I’ll be ready to start playing or simply start training. I have the impression that I will make it for the season opener or maybe lose the first few games.

Apart from this situation I am in peace, I knew what was in stake; the plan was to be part of the Olympic Games and then, if I had any sort of pain, I would need to get surgery. It is not a surprise, and it is not that today I am saying “Uh I never thought I’d get an arthroscopic intervention!”

I know that a lot was talked about the subject, but I ma sure of what I did, because it wasn’t an unilateral decision, it is something that it was talked with San Antonio Spurs coaching staff. I would make that same decision of going to Beijing again. I understand the frustration; I understand that is possible that I miss some matches. But being part of the Olympic Games is very important for any athlete. In my case, it made me more mature than what I was, it offered another life experience and I always felt I had to do it. Any athlete that has the possibility of experiencing an Olympic Game shouldn’t refuse it. There are some people who will understand and some other that won’t.

I had the chance to read some columns in a San Antonio communication medium, where I was criticized for my decision of going with the National Team to the games. It’s all good, I respect the journalist that is giving his opinion and who is paid to do such thing. To me, from my part, I have a very well formed opinion. The most important thing is that Gregg Popovich is on the same page with me and he is, at the end of the day my contractor to say it somehow. That’s why I am very confident about the way I proceeded, and I feel backed up by the people in San Antonio.


Sincerely, I was very surprised that Pop picked me up at the San Antonio International airport. I was not expecting it at all because it was 10:30pm, that here is considered very late. But of course I value his gesture, it is a shown of affection and class very important. When this approach with the coach happened I was talking to a group of journalists; he grabbed my arm and said: “let’s go, you have been traveling too much”. We then got into his SUV and talked on a very friendly way. So that’s how things look regarding the Spurs.

About the National Team, even with the happiness that meant that we were able to make it to the podium like in Athens 2004, I would have preferred to stay with the rest of the team a little more to celebrate, be together and then say goodbye. It was painful that we had to run all over the place after the Bronze medal game against Lithuania. We came back to the Village, changed our clothes, grabbed the medal our carry on luggage and then get in the plane right away. I didn’t like it at all, because after being together 60 days we didn’t enjoy of a moment of tranquility, without that responsibility of facing the following day another match. I would have liked to celebrate the medal in Ezeiza with everyone, but for different compromises with the foreign teams it was impossible to keep the while team together.

From the bottom of my heart, I have no idea how my career with the National Team will follow. I didn’t say anything after Athens 2004, nothing after Japan’s 2006 World Cup and I am not saying anything now, but I think that is convenient to separate things. In Japan I commented that my future on the team did not depend if we won gold or end up last in the tournament. This time either; being healthy or not now won’t be defining what I have done for the team on my career with them. Once the time arrives, it will all be evaluated. Before a big commitment you have to know where you stand physically. Like Pepe Sanchez did, he didn’t say what he would do until the occasion arrived. Then, and from there, he evaluated his physical conditioning and his spirit. I will do the same thing. Even more so I don’t think there is a big necessity to decide nothing right now, there are two years left for Turkey’s World Cup isn’t it?

I don’t think it’s convenient either to give my opinion about Sergio Hernandez, about if he should be or not leading the squad. What he definitively did is a great job. He begun his cycle with lots of doubts form the people and the press. But this Bronze medal gives him lots of credit; it certifies his conditions for the job. Let’s remember that he begun his job with the highest ceiling you could get, he took over a group that came from being Olympic Champion. I think in Beijing, Sergio conducted a great tournament. I insist; if he has to continue or not it’s going to be his decision and the Argentine Confederation one.

I am keeping in my heart also that the team is back at the number 1 position in the FIBA rankings. I don’t know how that stat is being calculated, it’s something huge. It’s incredible to be distinguished as a power house ahead of giants like the United States, Russia, Serbia, Lithuania and Spain. Our team starts renewing and rejuvenating, but I don’t know if the changes ahead will be as dynamic as they’ve been. At the moment we just have to enjoy it.

[ShoogarBear]

Hoo, boy . . .

[mytespurs]

Manu having surgery? Let the "trade him" whining begin......:rolleyes

I have faith in you Manu! Get well!!! :toast

[Budkin]

Goddamn Manu.

[angel_luv]

I was not expecting it at all because it was 10:30pm, that here is considered very late. But of course I value his gesture, it is a shown of affection

:lol

[bigfan]

Well, the situation sux but better to just bite the bullet and go ahead and get the surgery done now. I dont blame the guy for playing for his home country in the olympics. They grew up there and to play for your national team is an honor that goes beyond your playing years or your professional career. I also know Finley will do a good job while Manu is out. That said, this is the risk of drafting foreign players and maybe Pop and RC will think more carefully on this in the future. We lucked out on Manu and Tony, it may not happen again.

[Brutalis]

Better it happen now than in December.

[Whisky Dog]

Hopefully the surgery will successfully repair the ligaments and with some rehab and conditioning work he can be back to productive in 12 to 14 weeks. If he can't go in November, fine, just get ready for the start of 2009.

[ShoogarBear]

:pctoss

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Welcome back Michael Finley, and for those of you Spurs Fans who had no problems with Manu playing in the Olympics. This is what happens when you let a player decide whether or not he plays or sits depending on what the doctor says. (You cant tell me someone didnt have the money to do an MRI on the side, its done for Players Personal Insurance Policys.) And there are still fans out there, who have no problems with TP playing overseas at the moment :lol. Its a no brainer Pop is furious, the FO is upset. This is the future of the San Antonio Spurs, not some country called Argentina or France. Like it or not, but with our current roster, we will live and die from beyond the arc, because now teams only have to stop one penetrator. TP. Someone should Text TP. :wow


Mrs. Purs, I saw one of your previous posts that mentioned you were in the military prior to your sex change operation. A post like this one has me concerned that perhaps a grenade exploded a bit too close to your head at some point during your time serving our country...because it makes no sense whatsoever. I read it twice and I can't figure out what your point(s) are.

[xtremesteven33]

i just want him back at 110% for the playoffs....thats all

[T Park]

shoog why do you think this is bad? Sounds like a pretty simple procedure.

[angelbelow]

hoping for a speedy recovery. :flag:

[Cherry]

Has he had surgery before?

Never (in his case is amazing)

[50 cent]

I'm fucking sick of Ginobili's antics.

[Tully365]

Good. His ankle will be fixed, & he'll come back healthy and well rested. We'll just have to read about it 1,000 times a day from posters who are angrier about the Olympics than Pop, RC, or Holt. He played in the olympics, and it's done with. The Spurs options now are to either move forward constructively, or to cry endlessly and bitterly about a decision that's already been made. They're pretty good at these types of situations-- my guess is they move forward constructively.

[ShoogarBear]

Surgery +rehab is always a crap shoot when it comes to estimating recovery time. 6-8 weeks may be right but you always wonder with older guys, and Manu's no spring chicken. September is not when you want to be making these decisions.

[temujin]

Bad news.

Very bad news.

The question of whether it was appropriate to play in the Olimpics is now totally irrelevant.

If the ligament is as bad as requiring a surgery on, the injury he had at the Olimpics would have most likely happened within the first games of the new season.

I seriously wonder whether we will ever see the old Manu again.

[Whisky Dog]

He needed this surgery after the playoffs if his ankle is in fact in basically the same condition that it was at the end of the season. To me the issue is that:

1) He could have gotten the surgery in July if he passed on the Olympics and would have been ready to go by November

or

2) He would not have gotten the surgery anyway and could have aggravated the ankle during the season resulting in surgery much later down the road and much more costly to the Spurs.

Depending on how you look at it the Olympics were either a curse or a blessing.

[lolo21209]

Hey guys, I've been reading this forum for about 6 months now, but have never registered cause I am a girl and guys give me crap cause I like basketball.


Anyways...

I had surgery yesterday morning at the surgical center next to the Spurs training center. It's the same place that duncan and me had our knee surgeries around the same time back in 2001. We had the same surgeon. Dr. David Shmidt. Well he was there yesterday, (the dr, he's also the Spurs team Dr) and I over heard a bunch of Docs talking about Ginobili, it wasn't clear what they were saying, but my mother and I DEFINITELY heard Ginobili's name, and I swear this was before my anesthesia was administered. My mom also saw Duncan there at the center, she said he needed a hair cut. She saw him leaving and went out and yelled "we love you Duncan!" and he turned around smiled and waved, then got back on his cell phone. I wonder if Ginobili was there yesterday and Tim was visiting???

I swear all of this is true. And no, my meds ARE NOT making me hallucinate.

Just thought I share this bit of info with y'all. I'm bored at home recovering and I wanted to get an update on Ginobili so I got on Spurstalk and saw the surgery thread and I am now very dissapointed.


P.S. I had torn ligaments and a torn meniscus in my right knee when I was 15 and Dr. Shmidt repaired it. I started rehab at week 3, and was back to normal at 6 weeks. I'm no basketball player, but I was a scrawny 15 year old girl and I healed quickly. Just pray that Ginobili gets it fixed fast, he should be great by January at the latest.

[ShoogarBear]

Hey guys, I've been reading this forum for about 6 months now, but have never registered cause I am a girl and guys give me crap cause I like basketball.


Anyways...

I had surgery yesterday morning at the surgical center next to the Spurs training center. It's the same place that duncan and me had our knee surgeries around the same time back in 2001. We had the same surgeon. Dr. David Shmidt. Well he was there yesterday, (the dr, he's also the Spurs team Dr) and I over heard a bunch of Docs talking about Ginobili, it wasn't clear what they were saying, but my mother and I DEFINITELY heard Ginobili's name, and I swear this was before my anesthesia was administered. My mom also saw Duncan there at the center, she said he needed a hair cut. She saw him leaving and went out and yelled "we love you Duncan!" and he turned around smiled and waved, then got back on his cell phone. I wonder if Ginobili was there yesterday and Tim was visiting???

I swear all of this is true. And no, my meds ARE NOT making me hallucinate.

Just thought I share this bit of info with y'all. I'm bored at home recovering and I wanted to get an update on Ginobili so I got on Spurstalk and saw the surgery thread and I am now very dissapointed.

So, you're saying you sat on this information for 24 hours and didn't tell us?

:madrun

[Tully365]

My mom also saw Duncan there at the center, she said he needed a hair cut.

:lol

[lolo21209]

So, you're saying you sat on this information for 24 hours and didn't tell us?

:madrun

I just read the thread today, I was too busy with my own surgery recovery until now!!! Be glad I had the courage to talk to you scary boys!

[JudynTX]

i just want him back at 110% for the playoffs....thats all

Didn't you hear? We aren't suppose to make the playoffs this year! :rolleyes

:depressed I hope you have a speedy recovery.

[temujin]

The ligament was evidently bad before, and it got worse, of course.

In essence, surgery is the last resort.

Don't expect it to solve the problem, though, unless the ligament is given a lot of time to stabilize.

Manu SHOULD not be back before the ASB.

This is my advice to him.

But of course he is Manu and will want to rush things up.....

[Tully365]

I just read the thread today, I was too busy with my own surgery recovery until now!!! Be glad I had the courage to talk to you scary boys!

Don't be afraid-- it's all bark and no painful bites at Spurstalk. Thanks for the good info.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

I broached this idea last year during the offseason and I think it's worth revisiting it now: breaking down Matt Bonner into healthy replacement parts for rotation players.

[ashbeeigh]

Hey guys, I've been reading this forum for about 6 months now, but have never registered cause I am a girl and guys give me crap cause I like basketball.
.


There are plenty of lovely girls here that talk basketball on this forum. There is no reason for you to not post just because you're a girl! I hope you feel better too! Duncan228 would have just about fainted from seeing Tim Duncan. :lol


But as far as this surgery goes, as a lot of other people have said, better now then December, January, or god forbid, even February. I just hope he comes back and better then ever. It'll be a rough start for us without him, but we're a strong team!

[mytespurs]

Hey guys, I've been reading this forum for about 6 months now, but have never registered cause I am a girl and guys give me crap cause I like basketball.


Anyways...

I had surgery yesterday morning at the surgical center next to the Spurs training center. It's the same place that duncan and me had our knee surgeries around the same time back in 2001. We had the same surgeon. Dr. David Shmidt. Well he was there yesterday, (the dr, he's also the Spurs team Dr) and I over heard a bunch of Docs talking about Ginobili, it wasn't clear what they were saying, but my mother and I DEFINITELY heard Ginobili's name, and I swear this was before my anesthesia was administered. My mom also saw Duncan there at the center, she said he needed a hair cut. She saw him leaving and went out and yelled "we love you Duncan!" and he turned around smiled and waved, then got back on his cell phone. I wonder if Ginobili was there yesterday and Tim was visiting???

I swear all of this is true. And no, my meds ARE NOT making me hallucinate.

Just thought I share this bit of info with y'all. I'm bored at home recovering and I wanted to get an update on Ginobili so I got on Spurstalk and saw the surgery thread and I am now very dissapointed.


P.S. I had torn ligaments and a torn meniscus in my right knee when I was 15 and Dr. Shmidt repaired it. I started rehab at week 3, and was back to normal at 6 weeks. I'm no basketball player, but I was a scrawny 15 year old girl and I healed quickly. Just pray that Ginobili gets it fixed fast, he should be great by January at the latest.

I'm a lady too.....and a Spurs fan...that's why I'm here. :)

And thanks for the information...how exciting to see Timmy!

Get well and welcome! :D

[carina_gino20]

Stick around, lolo21209. Hope you recover soon. Surgery is no fun thing.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

here comes the usual string of surgery bookings for the run up to the season. First Monta, now Manu......im just waiting for a Kmart or Nene knee injury :depressed

[2centsworth]

ligament damange requiring surgery to the foot is not good for a basketball player. He will need 9months to recover fully IMO.

[50 cent]

We had the same surgeon. Dr. David Shmidt. Well he was there yesterday, (the dr, he's also the Spurs team Dr) and I over heard a bunch of Docs talking about Ginobili, it wasn't clear what they were saying, but my mother and I DEFINITELY heard Ginobili's name, and I swear this was before my anesthesia was administered.

Wow, talk about a major HIPAA violation by those doctors.

[Tully365]

I broached this idea last year during the offseason and I think it's worth revisiting it now: breaking down Matt Bonner into healthy replacement parts for rotation players.

:lol
I have a hacksaw in my trunk!

[Josepatches]

Olympic was not so bad at all because he would have problems with the ankle in the regular season and the ankle could be as bad as last year in the playoffs.
Now IMO he could be better in May and he could be full of energy when all the players are tired.

But now we need the best Finley in the regular season

[lolo21209]

Thanks for the warm welcome everyone!

I've actually waited on Timmy before when I worked at Macaroni Grill on I-10. He came in after the lunch rush on a tuesday around September 2006. He likes to sit in the back where its very dark and private. He was very nice and tipped well. Another time I was at Walmart on I-10 and DeZavala getting groceries after a long day at school and work. I saw a tall guy in line and I got behind him cause he looked hot, then I realized it was Timmy!!! I didn't bother him though because I was afraid to say hello. This was back in March of 05. Other Spurs I have met are Malik Rose, Robert Horry an Beno Udrih(who hit on me when I worked at the OG but I heard he's a BIG player). I also met Tony Parker when I worked at Dillards last spring. He did an autograph signing because he is sponsored by Perry Ellis. I have also sung the Nat'l Anthem for some Spurs games, and even though the staff never gives me a chance to talk to them I get to stand on the court and sing with them right there!!! They're all sasquatches!!! Ok, enough bragging. I just wanted to tell you all that they are all very nice. I really wish I could meet Ginobili, who knows maybe I will this year...


Oh, and thanks for the get well wishes. I had a deviated septum and a hairline fracture on my nasal bone from an old gymnastics injury. I finally had the courage to fix it yesterday. I feel pretty good right now, just bored here at home.

[lolo21209]

Wow, talk about a major HIPAA violation by those doctors.

I guess it was pretty much violated today since I just heard about it on KSAT 12.

[50 cent]

I guess it was pretty much violated today since I just heard about it on KSAT 12.
Ginobili announced it and KSAT reported it.

It's a whole different situation than overhearing doctors speak about the treatment of a patient of theirs.

[DDS4]

Get well soon. We'll see you during Christmas and make the typical Spurs run in early '09.

:lobt2:

[ShoogarBear]

Thanks for the warm welcome everyone!

I've actually waited on Timmy before when I worked at Macaroni Grill on I-10. He came in after the lunch rush on a tuesday around September 2006. He likes to sit in the back where its very dark and private. He was very nice and tipped well. Another time I was at Walmart on I-10 and DeZavala getting groceries after a long day at school and work. I saw a tall guy in line and I got behind him cause he looked hot, then I realized it was Timmy!!! I didn't bother him though because I was afraid to say hello. This was back in March of 05. Other Spurs I have met are Malik Rose, Robert Horry an Beno Udrih(who hit on me when I worked at the OG but I heard he's a BIG player). I also met Tony Parker when I worked at Dillards last spring. He did an autograph signing because he is sponsored by Perry Ellis. I have also sung the Nat'l Anthem for some Spurs games, and even though the staff never gives me a chance to talk to them I get to stand on the court and sing with them right there!!! They're all sasquatches!!! Ok, enough bragging. I just wanted to tell you all that they are all very nice. I really wish I could meet Ginobili, who knows maybe I will this year...


Well, in one post you just made duncan228, angel_luv, and the various Parker groupies jealous. Pretty soon the scary boys will be the only ones you haven't pissed off.


Oh, and thanks for the get well wishes. I had a deviated septum and a hairline fracture on my nasal bone from an old gymnastics injury. I finally had the courage to fix it yesterday. I feel pretty good right now, just bored here at home.

But can you still sing?

[Spurs73]

Pretty sure for it to be a HIPPA violation it has to be a specific condition that is discussed regarding a specific person. Hearing doctors say Ginobili's name is not what I would consider a HIPPA violation.

[J.T.]

Fuck Manu Ginobili for playing for his country, what a bitch.

[ShoogarBear]

No, any mention of personal information, even just the name, is a violation.

[Allanon]

Spurstalk should send some members over to that clinic just to sit and wait for the news...cool story by LoLo :D

As a Laker fan still waiting for Bynum's return in 4 weeks, then 6 weeks, then next month then Playoffs, then "next season", I know how y'all feel...it's going to be tough watching him in a suit on the sidelines.

Hopefully Manu gets better quick, I'd never wish an injury on any player but maybe Bonner can donate an ankle to Manu?

[tlongII]

The Spurs are in BIG trouble! They will be lucky to make the playoffs now.

[Sissiborgo]

What a pussy.

What about Rip Hamilton 3 broken noses what a pussy..:toast

[Streakyshooter08]

I just hope he will be 100% again. I would prefer a surgery if he becomes totally healthy again to a situation where he does not do surgery but is in constant pain. If they do it to repair it I am totally fine with it. I also hope it does not take longer than 2 months. In this western conference the Spurs will need Manu...

[T Park]

Ginobili announced it and KSAT reported it.

It's a whole different situation than overhearing doctors speak about the treatment of a patient of theirs.

:lol

Man chill out..

[mytespurs]

The Spurs are in BIG trouble! They will be lucky to make the playoffs now.

NEVER underestimate the Spurs! :hat

[century]

Hey guys, I've been reading this forum for about 6 months now, but have never registered cause I am a girl and guys give me crap cause I like basketball.


Anyways...

I had surgery yesterday morning at the surgical center next to the Spurs training center. It's the same place that duncan and me had our knee surgeries around the same time back in 2001. We had the same surgeon. Dr. David Shmidt. Well he was there yesterday, (the dr, he's also the Spurs team Dr) and I over heard a bunch of Docs talking about Ginobili, it wasn't clear what they were saying, but my mother and I DEFINITELY heard Ginobili's name, and I swear this was before my anesthesia was administered. My mom also saw Duncan there at the center, she said he needed a hair cut. She saw him leaving and went out and yelled "we love you Duncan!" and he turned around smiled and waved, then got back on his cell phone. I wonder if Ginobili was there yesterday and Tim was visiting???

I swear all of this is true. And no, my meds ARE NOT making me hallucinate.

Just thought I share this bit of info with y'all. I'm bored at home recovering and I wanted to get an update on Ginobili so I got on Spurstalk and saw the surgery thread and I am now very dissapointed.


P.S. I had torn ligaments and a torn meniscus in my right knee when I was 15 and Dr. Shmidt repaired it. I started rehab at week 3, and was back to normal at 6 weeks. I'm no basketball player, but I was a scrawny 15 year old girl and I healed quickly. Just pray that Ginobili gets it fixed fast, he should be great by January at the latest.


Highly unlikely that Duncan was visiting Manu. These are not teen girls. What it more likely means is that Duncan will probably require surgery too for some yet unpublished malady. That would really complete a Spurs clusterfuck.

[T Park]

Trade the fucker! Who wants to worry about his shit anymore...

and get what for him?

Nothing?

Yeah thats smart.

[T Park]

Highly unlikely that Duncan was visiting Manu. These are not teen girls. What it more likely means is that Duncan will probably require surgery too for some yet unpublished malady. That would really complete a Spurs clusterfuck.

Uh the Spurs guys like Duncan, Bowen, Ginobili are all pretty close.

Quit with the melodrama.

[urunobili]

We reported this first than any other news source in the US :tu

props to TMTTRIO for the La Nacion Article

[TMTTRIO]

hey your the one to give us a really good translation of it rather than that google gibberish stuff :).

[DMX7]

His ankle could be going the Grant Hill route.

[T Park]

His ankle could be going the Grant Hill route.

See as Grant Hill had continuing fractures and Ginobili just has a ligament getting fixed, that would be 100% wrong.

[T Park]

He Shoog if your there, what kind of surgery is this, and what exactly would they be doing?

[century]

I have a felling that Manu as we knew him is no more, surgery or not.

[benefactor]

8 weeks seems a little short...I'm thinking closer to Christmas time.

Whatever the case may be, I hope we can stay in pretty good shape standings-wise so that he doesn't force himself back to soon because he feels we need him. That is probably my biggest worry in all of this.

[Tully365]

Highly unlikely that Duncan was visiting Manu. These are not teen girls. What it more likely means is that Duncan will probably require surgery too for some yet unpublished malady. That would really complete a Spurs clusterfuck.

Whoa. Are you writing from inside of your Panic Room? Are the locks secure? Do you have a one year supply of powdered milk and beef jerky?!

It's strange that you think of visiting a friend in the hospital as the characteristic of a teenaged girl...

[Tully365]

I have a felling that Manu as we knew him is no more, surgery or not.

You should be more in touch with your brain, and less with your fellings.

[MannyIsGod]

You can't trade him now of course. He's got no value.

I think he needed to have this after the playoffs and just sat on it so he could play. Fine, Manu did what he had to do for his personal glory. Just because it doesn't involve money doesn't mean its a noble decision. But whatever. I think its was a really stupid decision to play but if I was Argentinian maybe I'd think otherwise.

Whatever, as a Spurs fan I'm pissed at Manu. Hopefully he can recover sometime before 2009. I'm not buying this 6-8 week bullshit. Manu has never been one to recover quickly.

[dbestpro]

This is absolutely fantastic news. If Ginobili had not played in the Olympics he would not have realized that he needed surgery. We would have rolled into playoff time and would have lost him again or sometime late in the year. Now that he is having the surgery we will have a fresh and physically fit Ginobili for the second half of the season.

This also allows for Udoka and Mason to see major minutes. Look for Mason to have a green light and light up a few scoreboards. Just when they are peaking we will be able to toss Manu back into the mix. That 5th ring just may be on its way.

[rj215]

We're doomed! Trade Manu! Fire Pop! Let's hope Timmy doesn't retire early! Let's trade Vaughn and Bonner for LeBron! Can we get DRob to come out of retirement?

Spurs fans suck! We might struggle early but we'll be right in the thick of it by the end of the season. Let's all calm down....don't forget that we have :lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt: because this organization knows what it's doing...

[ShoogarBear]

:lol at people trying to rationalize that if he hadn't gone to the Olympics he wouldn't be getting the surgery.

Dream on. Spurs' doctors would have examined him 3-4 weeks ago, realized that the ankle wasn't getting better, and done the surgery then, and things would be a month ahead of where they are now.

[ShoogarBear]

He Shoog if your there, what kind of surgery is this, and what exactly would they be doing?

Not my field.

[ducks]

he is going to be out atleast tell dec

pop is going to make sure manu is healthy



doctors could have suggested surgery but manu could have said no that is not an option I want to play in summer games

I AM NOT SAYING THAT IS A FACT THOUGH


good to get the knife and get well
manu will have to obey now with surgery

[nil.ball]

Shane Battier for Manu?
maybe we (rockets) will throw in something RC will really like, ca$$$$h?

[T Park]

You can't trade him now of course. He's got no value.

I think he needed to have this after the playoffs and just sat on it so he could play. Fine, Manu did what he had to do for his personal glory. Just because it doesn't involve money doesn't mean its a noble decision. But whatever. I think its was a really stupid decision to play but if I was Argentinian maybe I'd think otherwise.

Whatever, as a Spurs fan I'm pissed at Manu. Hopefully he can recover sometime before 2009. I'm not buying this 6-8 week bullshit. Manu has never been one to recover quickly.

Spot on.

[T Park]

:lol at people trying to rationalize that if he hadn't gone to the Olympics he wouldn't be getting the surgery.

Dream on. Spurs' doctors would have examined him 3-4 weeks ago, realized that the ankle wasn't getting better, and done the surgery then, and things would be a month ahead of where they are now.

He could've had the surgery back in June and been ahead of schedule.

[ShoogarBear]

I believe that they were willing to wait a little to see if he could go without surgery. If he definitely needed the surgery in June, then they would never have cleared him for the Olympics.

[MannyIsGod]

I believe that they were willing to wait a little to see if he could go without surgery. If he definitely needed the surgery in June, then they would never have cleared him for the Olympics.

I'm not sure we'll ever know, but I think its possible they saw surgery as a pretty good possibility back then. They would have gained nothing but telling that to people on the outside though, so why release it?

It doesn't make much sense otherwise. Everything we heard that his ankle was looking bad and it was staying that way. Then what was it, 2 weeks before Manu was going it all of a sudden looked good? Then this happens? I'm pretty sure it never looked good.

[dbestpro]

:lol at people trying to rationalize that if he hadn't gone to the Olympics he wouldn't be getting the surgery.

Dream on. Spurs' doctors would have examined him 3-4 weeks ago, realized that the ankle wasn't getting better, and done the surgery then, and things would be a month ahead of where they are now.

:lol at people who think that Manu would have had the surgery any earlier when this problem has been going on for 2-3 years.

[Sissiborgo]

You High?..

[angel_luv]

Well, in one post you just made duncan228, angel_luv, and the various Parker groupies jealous. Pretty soon the scary boys will be the only ones you haven't pissed off.


Nah. I am happy for her.


Welcome, Lolo.

Wait till you meet Manu. He is so nice. :)

[timvp]

I believe that they were willing to wait a little to see if he could go without surgery. If he definitely needed the surgery in June, then they would never have cleared him for the Olympics.Wouldn't it have depended on whether or not they thought he could hurt his ankle further? It sounds more like nagging inflammation than severe structural damage.

But yeah, I don't buy that the Olympics were good for Manu because now he can get the surgery out of the way. The Spurs would have kept updated on the injury and would have gone ahead with the surgery at some point. Latest would have probably been early July.

As a Spurs fan, this situation pretty much sucks. I understand why Manu played in the Olympics and I'm not pissed at him -- but then again, he didn't have the Spurs' best interest in mind at all. His recent article makes me question how much he cares at all about the upcoming season. Manu said he was sad that he couldn't stick around and enjoy China more with his teammates. Um yeah that is great and all but you have an ankle injury that you haven't had an MRI on and your employers who are paying $10M need to see it.

Pop will no doubt delay Manu's comeback as long as possible. As long as the Spurs are winning at a decent clip, there shouldn't be a rush to bring him back.

When Manu comes back, hopefully he is not only physically healthy but mentally totally into the Spurs. He seems like he's Argentina mode right now but the Spurs will need him to be as dedicated as ever to pull out a fifth championship.

Bottomline is I'd never trade Manu and as always I'm very happy he's on the Spurs, but looking at this situation as a Spurs fan rather than a Manu fan, I have to say it is all one big cluster of disappointment.

[timvp]

:lol at people who think that Manu would have had the surgery any earlier when this problem has been going on for 2-3 years.

Link?

[ShoogarBear]

:lol at people who think that Manu would have had the surgery any earlier when this problem has been going on for 2-3 years.

Really? So then why didn't they do surgery 2-3 years ago?

[sprrs]

It's gonna be early in the season, so it won't be that bad. I was hoping Manu would have the chance to rest anyway during that time, and hopefully he'll come back even better and less likely to re-injure it. The only problem would be getting him into game shape when he does come back, but he would have plenty of time for that.

[urunobili]

I'm pretty sure it never looked good.

it seems you didn;t see anything of the Olympics despite starting all those threads...

leading Scorer until he went down and assists leader for the 4 first games... monster dunks... speed was back.... yeah he could have played like this against the lakers then and he baked the series on purpose is what it'd mean if what you say is true... :pop:

[DPG21920]

This is just so upsettig as a Spurs fan. I will never question his reasoning behind playing for his country, but this is just terrible news. Manny is right to a certain degree. Manu is not a quick healer and I am worried that it might be a bit longer recovery than is being let on. I hope he gets well and can get back, this is going to have to be a massive group effort from many players to keep the Spurs in contention.

[T Park]

but then again, he didn't have the Spurs' best interest in mind at all. His recent article makes me question how much he cares at all about the upcoming season. Manu said he was sad that he couldn't stick around and enjoy China more with his teammates. Um yeah that is great and all but you have an ankle injury that you haven't had an MRI on and your employers who are paying $10M need to see it.


I've been saying that about his lack dedication to the Spurs and I got ripped to shreds about it.

[timvp]

Oh and for the love of basketball gods Pop, please start Roger Mason over Michael Finley while Manu is out.

Please?

[SpursFanFirst]

Surgery +rehab is always a crap shoot when it comes to estimating recovery time. 6-8 weeks may be right but you always wonder with older guys, and Manu's no spring chicken. September is not when you want to be making these decisions.

I hear what you're saying, but it's Manu. This was bound to happen with the way he's constantly sacrificing his body.
It's better it happens now than halfway through the season. No?

[MannyIsGod]

it seems you didn;t see anything of the Olympics despite starting all those threads...

leading Scorer until he went down and assists leader for the 4 first games... monster dunks... speed was back.... yeah he could have played like this against the lakers then and he baked the series on purpose is what it'd mean if what you say is true... :pop:

He also had months of rest before that. Don't you think I thought about that before I posted?

[SpursFanFirst]

I broached this idea last year during the offseason and I think it's worth revisiting it now: breaking down Matt Bonner into healthy replacement parts for rotation players.

:( Now that is NOT nice. Where is easjer, anyway?

[DPG21920]

Is anyone else waiting on some good news this offseason. Hell, I can even live witht the typical no news. But the bad news is killing me right now.

[urunobili]

Wouldn't it have depended on whether or not they thought he could hurt his ankle further? It sounds more like nagging inflammation than severe structural damage.

this doesn't prove they would have gone with surgery instead of the treatment he had.. he could have injured in the pre season and the results would be worse than having him go over surgery now


But yeah, I don't buy that the Olympics were good for Manu because now he can get the surgery out of the way. The Spurs would have kept updated on the injury and would have gone ahead with the surgery at some point. Latest would have probably been early July.

The following MRI's he had early July showed the ligament way smaller so this is BS



As a Spurs fan, this situation pretty much sucks. I understand why Manu played in the Olympics and I'm not pissed at him -- but then again, he didn't have the Spurs' best interest in mind at all. His recent article makes me question how much he cares at all about the upcoming season. Manu said he was sad that he couldn't stick around and enjoy China more with his teammates. Um yeah that is great and all but you have an ankle injury that you haven't had an MRI on and your employers who are paying $10M need to see it.

:lmao at Drama and the Harvey like feelings... you should proofread when he says that the Spurs agreed with his offseason plans. and THEY pay the money not you or any citizen of the city of SAT with taxes... you just have to get over it



Pop will no doubt delay Manu's comeback as long as possible. As long as the Spurs are winning at a decent clip, there shouldn't be a rush to bring him back.

Blessing in disguise... Mason could turn out to be a stud and he'll get plenty of minutes to learn the system :tu



When Manu comes back, hopefully he is not only physically healthy but mentally totally into the Spurs. He seems like he's Argentina mode right now but the Spurs will need him to be as dedicated as ever to pull out a fifth championship.

He wants it as badly as you do... you have to believe in that... he never made you think the opposite, no proof of that and i think you're kinds jealous of the chemistry he has with the NT



Bottomline is I'd never trade Manu and as always I'm very happy he's on the Spurs, but looking at this situation as a Spurs fan rather than a Manu fan, I have to say it is all one big cluster of disappointment.

We all are sad... but as it was seen last season we need him healthy to win it all... and there is no proof he wouldn't have gone down anyway without playing the Olympics so get a Pop kinda attitude and embrace him again

[duncan228]

Hey guys, I've been reading this forum for about 6 months now, but have never registered cause I am a girl and guys give me crap cause I like basketball.

Welcome to the board lolo21209, the more girls the better. And if you hadn't told them you were a girl they may never have figured it out. Trust me.


There are plenty of lovely girls here that talk basketball on this forum. There is no reason for you to not post just because you're a girl! I hope you feel better too! Duncan228 would have just about fainted from seeing Tim Duncan. :lol

Just about fainted? I think it's pretty clear that fainting would have been in order.


Well, in one post you just made duncan228, angel_luv, and the various Parker groupies jealous. Pretty soon the scary boys will be the only ones you haven't pissed off.

:lol I don't know if I'm jealous or not. The whole thought of actually being that close to Duncan freaks me out. I think I do better at a safe distance.

As for Manu, it is what it is. I'm glad it's being taken care of now, he'll have plenty of time to rehab before the meat of the season. There's nothing to be gained by rehashing whether he should have played in the Olympics or not. It's done. I hope the surgery is successful and he recovers fully.

[timvp]

The following MRI's he had early July showed the ligament way smaller so this is BSThat's a lie. Link or STFU.


:lmao at Drama and the Harvey like feelings... you should proofread when he says that the Spurs agreed with his offseason plans. and THEY pay the money not you or any citizen of the city of SAT with taxes... you just have to get over itLink to where I said the Spurs didn't approve.


He wants it as badly as you do... you have to believe in that... he never made you think the opposite, no proof of that and i think you're kinds jealous of the chemistry he has with the NTWTF? I'm jealous of what now?

Manu Fan can be so damn annoying/stupid/arrogant it's amazing. Worst sect of "Spurs fans" in Spurs history.

[Spurs1234]

I think gino would have had to have the surgery eventually, he just was not right in that lakers series. Remember, even up to the olympics, he was taking along time to recover and their was doubt if he would play..if it was a normal spained ankle, he would have been ok in two months rest. I still dont know what play he hurt it, everyoen says game one vs. the suns, but if you see his final score in double ot, he looked ok to me...who knows..either way, he will be ready for the season, could have been worse. everyone needs to get over he hurt himself in the olympics, it was an old injury that would have flarred up anyways, seems to me the olympics are a blessing in disguise.

[urunobili]

That's a lie. Link or STFU.

i'm looking for the link right now...


Link to where I said the Spurs didn't approve. you didn't say it you suggested it


WTF? I'm jealous of what now?

you have mentioned on several of your previous posts "Argentine mindset that needs to become Spurs one" among other stuff that suggests your nonconformity therefore it could be interpreted Jealously for how much he loves them since u feel the Spurs are <NT and that is NOT TRUE Spurs=NT for Manu



Manu Fan can be so damn annoying/stupid/arrogant it's amazing. Worst sect of "Spurs fans" in Spurs history.
You are being WAY rude and derogatory with me... i am a Spurs fan thanks to the admiral and since 1995. i am sorry you consider the CoM as the worst in history... that is not good :depressed and if my nickname suggests i am a Manu fan first please change it to UruSpur... i'd enjoy another ring second to nothing on this world... thanks

[T Park]

You are being WAY rude and derogatory with me... i am a Spurs fan thanks to the admiral and since 1995. i am sorry you consider the CoM as the worst in history... that is not good

With the way you guys act, its freaking true.

[MannyIsGod]

you have mentioned on several of your previous posts "Argentine mindset that needs to become Spurs one" among other stuff that suggests your nonconformity therefore it could be interpreted Jealously for how much he loves them since u feel the Spurs are <NT and that is NOT TRUE Spurs=NT for Manu


:lmao

Yeah
Fucking
Right

The Spurs are the mistress and the NT is Manu's wife. No matter how many times he tells the Spurs he's leaving his wife its just not true.

[timvp]

i'm looking for the link right now...Good luck. Doesn't exist. Manu said it felt better but there was no MRI done that showed the inflammation and the ligament in question were "way smaller".


you have mentioned on several of your previous posts "Argentine mindset that needs to become Spurs one" among other stuff that suggests your nonconformity therefore it could be interpreted Jealously for how much he loves them since u feel the Spurs are <NT and that is NOT TRUE Spurs=NT for ManuI don't see where jealousy comes into play. Manu himself said the NT is the best team he's ever played on. He says he treasures the medals he won at the Olympics more than anything. But that is to be expected. Great accomplishments and they should be his most cherished wins.

My original point was that after the Olympics were over, he needed to start caring for his ankle because the Spurs season will be here before he knows it. By his own words, he wanted to stay in China with his teammates. I apologize if I have the nerve to think Manu should do all he can to be healed ASAP and try to win a championship.


You are being WAY rude and derogatory with me... i am a Spurs fan thanks to the admiral and since 1995. i am sorry you consider the CoM as the worst in history... that is not good :depressedHey, you are the one who came out attacking me. And as you said you are a Spurs fan, so I wasn't talking about you.

Those fans who only care what happens to Manu and couldn't care less whether the Spurs win or lose is who I was talking about. I don't think you are in that group.

[coachmac87]

As long as he will be good to go after the all-star break im ok with it. Spurs need to find out what they have with hill, udoka, and mason anyways. And him missing some time is i guess a way to find out. Finley will start the season( i hope not) but its POP. The spurs alone with Tony and Tim will keep them in contention. With I hope Mason being the starter when he returns Manu can contribute right away off the bench,and Finley can just be a 3pt shooter off bench like barry. We are gonna find out real quick how the spurs did this offseason. So i am kind of looking forward to the beginning of the season for once. I would not rush Manu at all!!!

[Yuixafun]

The most Important information is that Manu is at peace.

That means he can focus his entire being into recovering and he'll be longing to step back on the court and start wreaking havoc again. Basketball is in his soul.

The surgery is happening early enough that he will not miss too many games (hopefully).

Anyway, the Spurs have new players. This is a good time for them to get reps, early, as opposed to throwing them in, during the midst of a playoff race.

Let Pop find out who has game, while the competition is not heated, since the rest of the league is also trying to figure out what they have on their roster. Come on people elevate your thought process, please?

Say Manu didn't play in the Olympics, turned his back on players he grew up with. Said thank you President but no, let someone else carry the flag, I will sit this out because the Spurs asked me not to play.

It would have eaten him up inside. The same love, fire, fiercely competive aspects of his personality that helped win 3 championships for the Spurs, are the same reasons that it was never in doubt he would answer the call of his country.

I'd rather have a Manu Ginobili who is injured for a couple months of the season, but who is here Entirely, and able to put all his spirit and will into playing winning basketball and be fresh for the playoffs.

Than A Manu Ginobili who is 1 month further along in his rehab sechedule, but is mindfucked and spiritually malaised.

These athletes have the best doctors, this injury is not career threatening, and Manu GAINED from his Olympic experience.

When he comes back from his injury healed, and is dropping 30 in back to back to back games again....

all you folk who are so quick to bash someone and judge someone for doing something they believe in, will be singing his praises, acting like you had his back all along.

But for now, hush children, stop showing your ass.

[dbestpro]

Link?

http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php/Manu_Ginobili

"The 2005-2006 season started with troubles for Ginobili, who suffered foot and ankle injuries that hindered his ability to play."

[GoGatos]

Mark my words: Manu will be out minumum 8-12 weeks. 2 months. Period. This whole 6-8 weeks business is a pipe dream.

[timvp]

http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php/Manu_Ginobili

"The 2005-2006 season started with troubles for Ginobili, who suffered foot and ankle injuries that hindered his ability to play."Not the same injury. That was a sprained ankle he hurt against the Heat, IIRC.

[Tully365]

http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php/Manu_Ginobili

"The 2005-2006 season started with troubles for Ginobili, who suffered foot and ankle injuries that hindered his ability to play."

Also, it was the other foot.

[urunobili]

it will be in LAX...

http://www.globesports.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080829.wsptmanu29/GSStory/GlobeSportsBasketball/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20080829.wsptmanu29

[dbestpro]

Not the same injury. That was a sprained ankle he hurt against the Heat, IIRC.

I will disagree and say that the injury is related. People who have ankle and foot injuries that continue to reoccur are related to the initial injury.

[Bruno]

His recent article makes me question how much he cares at all about the upcoming season. Manu said he was sad that he couldn't stick around and enjoy China more with his teammates. Um yeah that is great and all but you have an ankle injury that you haven't had an MRI on and your employers who are paying $10M need to see it.


While I agree with you on most on your points, I find you a little harsh with Manu on this one. He has been for more than one month playing BB with players that are great friends. I can understand that Spurs aren't in his mindset at this moment and that he is disappointed to leave them early.


More generally, Argentina NT > Spurs for Manu and I have no problem with that as long as he gives 100% of himself when he plays for Spurs.

[urunobili]

Good luck. Doesn't exist. Manu said it felt better but there was no MRI done that showed the inflammation and the ligament in question were "way smaller".

http://www.huaxlee.com/olympics/2933/ginobili-chosen-as-argentina-flagbearer/

one sec... i'm finding one with the results of that second MRI done in SAT at least i'm proving there was a second one

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/olympics/Argentina_Olympic_basketball_team_has_Spurs_look.h tml

no results were given of the second MRI... there was a second one.. but no one knows the results... :wow:wow

[Allanon]

There is a bit of silver lining to all of this though that the Spurs can thank the basketball gods for. I swear the NBA scheduler is a Spurs fan.

The Spurs season starts out with 3 straight losses and doom and gloom and "Trade Manu".

But then it really lightens up. November and December are relative cakewalks.

They'll pay the price in January though as it really toughens up and all those powerhouse matches to show up along with extended road trips. Rodeo this year will be abnormally harsh.

So best case scenario, the Spurs are a few games over .500 coming into January when a fully rested Manu will hopefully be ready and TP & Timmy aren't out of gas.

[timvp]

it will be in LAX...

http://www.globesports.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080829.wsptmanu29/GSStory/GlobeSportsBasketball/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20080829.wsptmanu29

"Ginobili will have surgery next week in Los Angeles, said a person close to Ginobili who wanted to remain anonymous because the Spurs have not yet announced the surgery."

Interesting. Nice find.


While I agree with you on most on your points, I find you a little harsh with Manu on this one. He has been for more than one month playing BB with players that are great friends. I can understand that Spurs aren't in his mindset at this moment and that he is disappointed to leave them early.The thing is though is that the Spurs asked Manu to go back to San Antonio after he got injured. He said he wanted to wait until after the bronze medal game. The Spurs say okay and now he's saying he wanted to stay even longer.

While that is an understandable emotion, at that point no one had done an MRI on his ankle. For all he knew he could have torn something or broken a bone and been hurting it further walking around. If he had the MRI in China and it showed nothing serious, I would have been fine with him staying for however long he wants. But when he could possibly have suffered major damage, he needed to have it checked out ASAP.

[timvp]

http://www.huaxlee.com/olympics/2933/ginobili-chosen-as-argentina-flagbearer/

one sec... i'm finding one with the results of that second MRI done in SAT at least i'm proving there was a second one

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/olympics/Argentina_Olympic_basketball_team_has_Spurs_look.h tml

no results were given of the second MRI... there was a second one.. but no one knows the results... :wow:wowYeah it was widely reported that there was a second one but that one showed everything was basically the same. He never went from hurt to healed. He had a few injections and weeks of rest that allowed him to play but his ankle never got better.

[Bruno]

And Manu should go in France to have his surgery. :stirpot:
We have goo doctors, just ask it to Angelina...

[Spurs Brazil]

I think the good news is that happened now.

He may miss a few games but it'll be in the beggining of the season and Manu said it won't bother him anymore. We can survive one month without Manu.

And as timvp said. Please Pop start Mason and not Finley

[Spurs Brazil]

Ginobili to have surgery

Mike Monroe - Express-News Spurs star Manu Ginobili will have surgery next week on his left ankle and heel to repair ligament damage that has hampered his game for many months.
The Spurs medical staff has been in consultation for several days with other sports medicine experts to determine when and where the arthroscopic procedure will be done.

Ginobili most recently injured the joint while playing for Argentina in the Olympic basketball tournament in Beijing. He limped to the sidelines early in Argentina's semifinal game against the United States last Friday. He did not play again in the tournament, missing Argentina's victory Sunday over Lithuania that earned the bronze medal.

Ginobili, who returned from Beijing late Monday night, had another MRI exam taken of the injured foot and ankle after his return. Results of that test, he told the Argentine newspaper La Nacion indicated the need for surgery.

"They're going to operate on me," Ginobili told the paper. "It is the same as it was two months ago when they did the first (MRI) exam. It's not worse, which is important. Now, the thing is, it's not better, either, and it seems the only way to repair it completely is arthroscopic surgery."

The Spurs issued a press release Friday afternoon confirming Ginobili will have the surgery next week.

Ginobili has been hampered by soreness in his left ankle and heel for several seasons. He jammed the joint during the Spurs' first-round series against Phoenix and was hampered through the remainder of the playoffs. His production dropped off dramatically in the Spurs' Western Conference finals elimination by the Los Angeles Lakers.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/Ginobili_to_have_surgery.html

[ShoogarBear]

Oh and for the love of basketball gods Pop, please start Roger Mason over Michael Finley while Manu is out.

Please?
Not A Chance.

[ShoogarBear]

Oh, great, and now it's going to be Laker Fan operating on it? Perfect,.

[DPG21920]

Good news is Shoog, is that Kobe's pinky surgery is in San Antonio

[Cherry]

The thing is though is that the Spurs asked Manu to go back to San Antonio after he got injured. He said he wanted to wait until after the bronze medal game. The Spurs say okay and now he's saying he wanted to stay even longer.

Yeah, but just for 24 hours. They play 18 days every 2 o 4 years. His family was there too. :lol


While that is an understandable emotion, at that point no one had done an MRI on his ankle. For all he knew he could have torn something or broken a bone and been hurting it further walking around. If he had the MRI in China and it showed nothing serious, I would have been fine with him staying for however long he wants. But when he could possibly have suffered major damage, he needed to have it checked out ASAP.

Don't worry for what is done. Dr Grippo was in contact with Spurs and Manu's room was always a mini-hospital.

[ShoogarBear]

Dr. Grippo? Harpo, Chico, and Zeppo must have been busy.

[Spurs Brazil]

Manu Ginobili to Undergo Surgery


SAN ANTONIO – The San Antonio Spurs today announced that Manu Ginobili will undergo surgery to correct a posterior impingement of his left ankle.
He originally suffered the injury in the Spurs-Suns series in the 2008 NBA Playoffs. The injury hampered Ginobili for the remainder of the postseason. After a rehabilitation program Ginobili was cleared to play in the 2008 Olympics. He re-aggravated the injury in the tournament’s semifinal round in a game versus the U.S.A. on August 22.

Following the conclusion of the Olympic Games Ginobili returned to San Antonio. An MRI conducted earlier this week confirmed that he had re-aggravated the injury and that there was no additional damage to the ankle or the ligament.

The surgery is expected to take place next week. Following the surgery the Spurs will announce a timeline for his return.
http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/ginobili_surgery_080829.html

[jack sommerset]

Mangoo got hurt! Noone saw that coming.:lol

[Red Hawk #21]

I hope he can heal and come back 100%

[Harry Callahan]

There is less time now to heal, but at least he has a chance to get better.

Everyone will be in a lot better mood around here because Manu's do not grow on (Mango) trees. They need him well in April, May, and (hopefully) June.

[polandprzem]

They should put a new leg into the olds ones place

[DPG21920]

Come on Ian Mahinmi, have a breakout year.

[timvp]

Following the surgery the Spurs will announce a timeline for his return.
http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/ginobili_surgery_080829.html
Damn, that sounds scary. TBD timelines aren't good ... especially following arthroscopic surgeries. Just ask Amare or Oden.

Luckily it is his ankle so hopefully there can't be anything too major messed up in there.

[xtremesteven33]

I Hope timmy stops defering to his teammates now and just takes over games like he used to.

friggin 25 points a game with like 13 RPG........time to turn back the clock Tim

[DPG21920]

This makes me want to drink heavily at the GTG tonight

[Tully365]

I will disagree and say that the injury is related. People who have ankle and foot injuries that continue to reoccur are related to the initial injury.

It's not related. It was the other foot.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/players/Manu_Ginobili

Jan 28, 2006: Missed 3 games (ankle injury).
Jan 22, 2006: Ankle injury, day-to-day.
Dec 27, 2005: Missed 8 games (foot injury).
Dec 13, 2005: Foot injury, inactive list.
Dec 5, 2005: Missed 2 games (right ankle injury).
Dec 1, 2005: right ankle injury, day-to-day.

[Spurtacus]

I planned on reading all six pages of this thread. But I read enough crybaby posts after page 1.

Manu will be fine. If he's 100% healthy by the end of the year, I'll be very thankful. 8 weeks recovery would put him back at the start of the season. If it takes another month than do it. We can win without him. Get well Manu!

[urunobili]

Ginobili announced it and KSAT reported it.

It's a whole different situation than overhearing doctors speak about the treatment of a patient of theirs.


We reported this first than any other news source in the US :tu

props to TMTTRIO for the La Nacion Article


i just want him back at 110% for the playoffs....thats all

that should be the spirit :king

[timvp]

Find that link yet, urunobili?

:wakeup

[Biernutz]

If Manu is back before the Rodeo road trip, that's when the Spurs get going anyway. With Manu out it's time for the role players to show their stuff.

[urunobili]

Find that link yet, urunobili?

:wakeup

i give up... NONE of the ones i find from that Second MRI talks about the results...

So you were right he didn't totally heal but i was right that there was a second MRI... :yield

[SenorSpur]

I keep hearing the national pundits say that the Spurs org is pissed about this. I imagine they're not happy about it, but does anyone have more inside information?

[Tully365]

I keep hearing the national pundits say that the Spurs org is pissed about this. I imagine they're not happy about it, but does anyone have more inside information?

Pop and co. are notoriously secretive about their day to day operations and long term plans... I call bullshit on any national sports media guys who claim to know something about how Pop or RC feel, unless they have actual interviews on tape-- it's obvious in almost every interview he gives that Pop thinks most broadcasters and announcers are a bunch of knuckleheads.

[Cherry]

I keep hearing the national pundits say that the Spurs org is pissed about this. I imagine they're not happy about it, but does anyone have more inside information?

The only information by now is this:



I had the chance to read some columns in a San Antonio communication medium, where I was criticized for my decision of going with the National Team to the games. It’s all good, I respect the journalist that is giving his opinion and who is paid to do such thing. To me, from my part, I have a very well formed opinion. The most important thing is that Gregg Popovich is on the same page with me and he is, at the end of the day my contractor to say it somehow. That’s why I am very confident about the way I proceeded, and I feel backed up by the people in San Antonio.

Sincerely, I was very surprised that Pop picked me up at the San Antonio International airport. I was not expecting it at all because it was 10:30pm, that here is considered very late. But of course I value his gesture, it is a shown of affection and class very important. When this approach with the coach happened I was talking to a group of journalists; he grabbed my arm and said: “let’s go, you have been traveling too much”. We then got into his SUV and talked on a very friendly way. So that’s how things look regarding the Spurs.

[tlongII]

Damn, that sounds scary. TBD timelines aren't good ... especially following arthroscopic surgeries. Just ask Amare or Oden.

Luckily it is his ankle so hopefully there can't be anything too major messed up in there.

I would rather have knee surgery than ankle surgery. Ankles have so many moving parts that you never know how it will recover.

[dbestpro]

It's not related. It was the other foot.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/players/Manu_Ginobili

Jan 28, 2006: Missed 3 games (ankle injury).
Jan 22, 2006: Ankle injury, day-to-day.
Dec 27, 2005: Missed 8 games (foot injury).
Dec 13, 2005: Foot injury, inactive list.
Dec 5, 2005: Missed 2 games (right ankle injury).
Dec 1, 2005: right ankle injury, day-to-day.

Right ankle in 2005, left ankle in 2005 and 2006.:king

[ducks]

I planned on reading all six pages of this thread. But I read enough crybaby posts after page 1.

Manu will be fine. If he's 100% healthy by the end of the year, I'll be very thankful. 8 weeks recovery would put him back at the start of the season. If it takes another month than do it. We can win without him. Get well Manu!

lets just put the head in the sand and say everything will be ok

[lolo21209]

:lol

Man chill out..

Ya, they didn't say "Oh Manu needs surgery" Maybe they were just talking about the Spurs, there's an autographed Duncan jersey in the main hallway of the center. Everyone there knows the Spurs players pretty well. The surgical center is directly next door to the practice center. I think we just overheard a basic convo, I didn't even hear details. If you read my first post all I said was I definitely heard them say Ginobili, but nothing else was clear enough.

[lolo21209]

Well, in one post you just made duncan228, angel_luv, and the various Parker groupies jealous. Pretty soon the scary boys will be the only ones you haven't pissed off.



But can you still sing?


Ya, actually my voice will be better now, I had a 90% deviation of my septum so resonance was not easy. My PS is also an ENT. He's the same PS that patented the plastic mask the NBA players use to protect their noses (Richard Hamilton/Pistons Player). He is also the team Dr. for the New Orleans Saints. He took good care of me. I may sing for more Spurs games this season. I will post dates when I get them.

[lolo21209]

Whoa. Are you writing from inside of your Panic Room? Are the locks secure? Do you have a one year supply of powdered milk and beef jerky?!

It's strange that you think of visiting a friend in the hospital as the characteristic of a teenaged girl...

:lol My thoughts exactly!

[carina_gino20]

I think Manu's comment about wanting to stay back a bit more with the NT has been blown way out of proportion. As he also said, the past month has been tense for them, because they're always thinking about the games. Manu is a different beast when it comes to his NT. At least that's what I've seen. Maybe it's the added pressure of being the best player on the team, plus he's playing for his flag. He just wanted a little time to relax, is all.

And the notion that he's not fully committed to the Spurs is laughable. How many more blows does he have to suffer before people are convinced? Does he have to sacrifice a limb, too? :lol

[Slippy]

I will undergo surgery, but I would make the same decision of going to Beijing again”

By Manu
Translation By Urunobili



There is still no timeline defined for the intervention, I do not know either what doctor will do it, but the thing is I must to do this. I was explained that they have to clean the area where the scar is and bring the ligament to its normal size for it not to bother any more. Today, the ankle doesn’t hurt when I walk, but it does when I jump or run. On these cases, the rehab period it’s from six to eight weeks, but I don’t know if on the eight week I’ll be ready to start playing or simply start training. I have the impression that I will make it for the season opener or maybe lose the first few games.




Even Manu realises it's gonna be longer than 6 to 8 weeks by telling us he's un-certain if he can start training straight after. Looking a lot like December start as in resuming training. He's probably going to need a reconditioning and strengthning regimen for the ankle first.




San Antonio – Here I am, back in San Antonio, happy with the Bronze medal won in the games and ready to face a new season on the NBA. After I arrived they immediately did an MRI on my left ankle, more than anything to check how the ligament looked, if it was bigger or smaller than last time we checked or if it was damaged. Basically, the studies indicated that it’s just like it was two months ago when I got the first MRI. It is not worse which is important. Now the thing is it is not better either, and it looks that the only way for a total recovery is to undergo arthroscopic surgery.


Apart from this situation I am in peace, I knew what was in stake; the plan was to be part of the Olympic Games and then, if I had any sort of pain, I would need to get surgery. It is not a surprise, and it is not that today I am saying “Uh I never thought I’d get an arthroscopic intervention!”





So going by this Manu suspected he might need surgery but took a short term solution that allowed him to play in the olympics . Atleas he's honest and at peace with it.:bang

The less i read about this the better.

[Strike]

trade him now!

Really? And what do you expect to get in return for him right now?

Good thinking. :lol

[urunobili]

Leo Guitierrez told in an interview to Ole that Manu probably won't play anymore with the NT... Nocioni, Scola and Delfino will...

http://www.ole.clarin.com/notas/2008/08/29/basquet/01748432.html


-¿La Generación Dorada tiene recambio?

-Recambio seguramente habrá. Hay algunos que no van a estar más, como Manu. Por la lesión que tuvo, San Antonio no lo va dejar. Chapu (Nocioni), Luis (Scola), Carlos (Delfino) y yo vamos a seguir. Y los que vienen están a la altura de la Selección. Está demostrado por lo que hicimos en Las Vegas. Con la mentalidad que tiene el argentino, que es ganador y va al frente, tenemos para seguir estando arriba.
- Will the golden Generation have new components to replace you?

We'll have new faces for sure and some people won't be back like Manu. After the injury he had, San Antonio won't let him play with us anymore. Chapu (Nocioni), Luis (Scola), Carlos (Delfino) and I will be there though. And the ones that will join us have NT level. It was demonstrated on Las Vegas. With the argentine mentality that is a winner and is not afraid we have enough to keep ourselves up there.

[DROB4EVER]

I dont think anyone should freak out, as long as he has no infection set in after the operation he should be practicing within 6 weeks and in game shape by early Nov.

This could be a good thing for the spurs. One it would give more mins to Mason, Udoka and maybe Hill while shorting Manus season which could mean he will be much fresher and healthy for the playoff run.

Mason will get to settle in as the starting SG with Fin and Udoka and Hill getting backup mins and in Hill and Masons case getting experiance in the spurs system.

Still I think it would be a good idea to look at signing K Snyder or trading for a wing player as insurance incase Mason turns an ankle early on. We need to consider if something happens to him we would be very thin at the 2 and be forced to play Fin big mins again and we all know how that will work out.

[Spurs Brazil]

Update on Monroe report

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/Surgery_costs_Ginobili_months_not_weeks.html

Though Ginobili on Thursday told an Argentine newspaper he expected to return to action six to eight weeks after the operation, sources familiar with the procedure say it is much more likely he will be out for two to three months. That makes it unlikely he can be ready for action when the Spurs open the regular season Oct. 29 in a game at the AT&T Center against the Phoenix Suns.

[Brutalis]

Is he healed up yet? I've been waiting for almost a week now.

[Brutalis]

Update on Monroe report

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/Surgery_costs_Ginobili_months_not_weeks.html

Though Ginobili on Thursday told an Argentine newspaper he expected to return to action six to eight weeks after the operation, sources familiar with the procedure say it is much more likely he will be out for two to three months. That makes it unlikely he can be ready for action when the Spurs open the regular season Oct. 29 in a game at the AT&T Center against the Phoenix Suns.

Looking at a late November / early December return.

It could be worse.

[Tully365]

I dont think anyone should freak out, as long as he has no infection set in after the operation he should be practicing within 6 weeks and in game shape by early Nov.

This could be a good thing for the spurs. One it would give more mins to Mason, Udoka and maybe Hill while shorting Manus season which could mean he will be much fresher and healthy for the playoff run.

Mason will get to settle in as the starting SG with Fin and Udoka and Hill getting backup mins and in Hill and Masons case getting experiance in the spurs system.

Still I think it would be a good idea to look at signing K Snyder or trading for a wing player as insurance incase Mason turns an ankle early on. We need to consider if something happens to him we would be very thin at the 2 and be forced to play Fin big mins again and we all know how that will work out.

:tu
agree 100%

[ducks]

Update on Monroe report

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/Surgery_costs_Ginobili_months_not_weeks.html

Though Ginobili on Thursday told an Argentine newspaper he expected to return to action six to eight weeks after the operation, sources familiar with the procedure say it is much more likely he will be out for two to three months. That makes it unlikely he can be ready for action when the Spurs open the regular season Oct. 29 in a game at the AT&T Center against the Phoenix Suns.
like I said earlier dec is the month he will be back

[ducks]

Looking at a late November / early December return.

It could be worse.

be late jan or feb he will be in game shape

[T Park]

early December means middle December.

Nothin wrong with that.

Finley, Mason, and Udoka can carry that load till then.

[Tully365]

If the surgery is done this week, that gives him all of Sept. and Oct.-- two full months to heal, and then all of November to get into playing shape. That's three full months, which is the high end prediction for the less optimistic prognosis. Early December would be fine. At the end of Nov., the Spurs will have played 16 games. Hopefully, by then, they are 10-6 and Roger Mason is everybody's favorite new Spur.

[angelroz]

Let's all just shut up please! And let Manu be! Just pray for his faster healing than keep bitching about him going to the olympics. Then you can stop worrying about the precious Spurs.

[ducks]

If the surgery is done this week, that gives him all of Sept. and Oct.-- two full months to heal, and then all of November to get into playing shape. That's three full months, which is the high end prediction for the less optimistic prognosis. Early December would be fine. At the end of Nov., the Spurs will have played 16 games. Hopefully, by then, they are 10-6 and Roger Mason is everybody's favorite new Spur.

excuse me manu is a part of the big three
POP will make sure he is healthy and baby him along
pop needs a healthy manu in the playoffs

[ducks]

Let's all just shut up please! And let Manu be! Just pray for his faster healing than keep bitching about him going to the olympics. Then you can stop worrying about the precious Spurs.

and who the heck are you

[angelroz]

and who the heck are you

Angelroz

[T Park]

Let's all just shut up please! And let Manu be! Just pray for his faster healing than keep bitching about him going to the olympics. Then you can stop worrying about the precious Spurs.

:lol

The church of manu grows worse.

[angelroz]

:lol

The church of manu grows worse.

productivity.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

As long as Pop gives Mason his minutes instead of Finley, we'll be fine.

Oh, and all you Argentinian fuckers who were nutting on the board about him stepping up for Team Argentina, fuck you.

[Kori Ellis]

I’ve said it before and ill say it again ...

You won't be saying it here anymore.

Good night, freak.

[Biernutz]

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb270/systime/manufoot2.jpg

Manu will have surgery on the ligaments marked in red------

[xellos88330]

Well, I hope that the Spurs can do well enough without at the start of the season. For some odd reason I get the funny feeling Pop won't let him play until after the all-star break. Maybe it's a crazy notion, but it could be Pop's way of saying "I told you so!" with the cover of 'making sure that ankle is 100%'. After all, that is what I would do to make a statement without making myself look like a total dick.

[spursfan09]

Let's all just shut up please! And let Manu be! Just pray for his faster healing than keep bitching about him going to the olympics. Then you can stop worrying about the precious Spurs.

You are right we shouldn't worry about the Spurs anymore. Welcome to Ginobilitalk.com

[porscha]

I feel so embarrassed to see all these bashing to our own player when Manu has always gave us his 200% since day1.

Some of you treat him like a paid slave and who can never have his own thinking nor can go any where unless you let him to. I imaging he will probably be bashing too if he just got hurt by choking a pizza, because he is so wrong and should absolutely do nothing to jeopardizes your chance for the rings.

The guy should never have his own dream unless it’s your dream.
No matter how those guys hurting, bleeding, sweating, playing so hard on the court, when they are up they are good, but when they are down they are useless for you anymore.
All those bashing and trade talk will be flooded all over the internet, it is so easy by just typing on the keyboard but the words can be mortal somehow before you realized it.

I always feel proud as a San Antonion and the Spurs fan, not because of how many rings that this town has. It is because of those very unique and devoted players we have and the family feeling in the Spurs and our fans has their most friendly and classy way to show our love and support to our own team and other’s team too actually.

Now I feel like we are even worse then the MAV’s or PHX’s fan! They are harsh to against other team’s player, but we are harsh to against our very own team’s player!

I love my Spurs and I love Manu, I will never treat them like a ring machine.
Watching them happily playing the games is the most enjoyment for me and I will treasure these moment all my life.

For all those people who really loves Manu, we shall praying for him and hope he will always be happy and healthy.

For all those people who don’t like Manu, at least you can do is give him a nicer feeling so he can heal up quickly and be your ring machine again!

[dbestpro]

Not the same injury. That was a sprained ankle he hurt against the Heat, IIRC.


"Ginobili has been bothered by varying degrees of soreness in his left ankle and heel for several seasons."

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/Surgery_costs_Ginobili_months_not_weeks.html

[bigfundamental21]

This is absolutely fantastic news. If Ginobili had not played in the Olympics he would not have realized that he needed surgery. We would have rolled into playoff time and would have lost him again or sometime late in the year. Now that he is having the surgery we will have a fresh and physically fit Ginobili for the second half of the season.

This also allows for Udoka and Mason to see major minutes. Look for Mason to have a green light and light up a few scoreboards. Just when they are peaking we will be able to toss Manu back into the mix. That 5th ring just may be on its way.


+1

This is the silver lining to the situation. Manu will work hard to recover and be back ready to go. Don't doubt him.

[smeagol]

My feeling is that this injury would've happened anyways. Even if he stayed in SA and not played in the Olympics.

[SenorSpur]

I just read the thread today, I was too busy with my own surgery recovery until now!!! Be glad I had the courage to talk to you scary boys!

We'll consider your our own personal mole inside the doctor's office. Next time, perhaps you can probe those quacks for some more detailed information. :lol

Hope your rehab goes well. Get well soon!

[SenorSpur]

This is absolutely fantastic news. If Ginobili had not played in the Olympics he would not have realized that he needed surgery. We would have rolled into playoff time and would have lost him again or sometime late in the year. Now that he is having the surgery we will have a fresh and physically fit Ginobili for the second half of the season.

This also allows for Udoka and Mason to see major minutes. Look for Mason to have a green light and light up a few scoreboards. Just when they are peaking we will be able to toss Manu back into the mix. That 5th ring just may be on its way.

:toast

I tend to look at it that way too. This injury was obviously not going to heal simply by resting the ankle. It could very well be a "blessing in disguise" that he injured it now. Better now that in Nov or Dec.

[lotr1trekkie]

Probably needed surgery anyway to make the ankle near 100%. Without it Manu would likely broken down again during next season. If not for the Olympics the operation would have been done in June. The real question is how competitive can we be until Manu returns? I think we will be lucky to play 50/50.

[wijayas]

Manu, Get well soon!!!!

[urunobili]

My feeling is that this injury would've happened anyways. Even if he stayed in SA and not played in the Olympics.

True

my take... Pop will play EXTRA conservative and if we're doign good on the standings he'll unleash him for either the Rodeo Trip or After the All Star Game... :wakeup

[ShoogarBear]

My feeling is that this injury would've happened anyways. Even if he stayed in SA and not played in the Olympics.

Despite all evidence to the contrary, which is that the surgery is taking place because the MRI is unchanged. If the MRI was unchanged earlier this summer, he would have had the surgery earlier this summer. The injury itself had nothing to do with it.

[Tully365]

As long as Pop gives Mason his minutes instead of Finley, we'll be fine.

Oh, and all you Argentinian fuckers who were nutting on the board about him stepping up for Team Argentina, fuck you.

:lol
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you our new ambassador to Argentina: Aggie!

[Sasha]

I would rather have knee surgery than ankle surgery. Ankles have so many moving parts that you never know how it will recover.

I've had both - but my ankle surgery involved a severed ligament, which is much worse than what Manu will have to deal with. Once my incision had healed, which took 6 weeks, and my physical therapy was finished, which took another 4 weeks, my repaired ligament was actually much stronger than my other ankle. It is to this day much stronger.

Arthroscopic surgery is far less invasive and his ligament is just aggravated, not torn or severed, so he will do just fine. He's got the best doctors, the best trainers, and the best therapists - far better than I had. He's also in much better physical condition than I was, for sure!

I'm not worried about him at all.

[Manufan909]

I don't know if I can wait that long to see Manu play... But hopefully Mason and Udoka takes all his minutes, and Hill gets a little bit, as well as some of JV's minutes. The worst thing imo is to see Finley start for more than five games whilst Manu is out. But then again, we all thought that Horry woulld be able to stop that one Phoenix player in the 1st round...

[manufor3]

ahh man

[Manufan909]

I've had both - but my ankle surgery involved a severed ligament, which is much worse than what Manu will have to deal with. Once my incision had healed, which took 6 weeks, and my physical therapy was finished, which took another 4 weeks, my repaired ligament was actually much stronger than my other ankle. It is to this day much stronger.

Arthroscopic surgery is far less invasive and his ligament is just aggravated, not torn or severed, so he will do just fine. He's got the best doctors, the best trainers, and the best therapists - far better than I had. He's also in much better physical condition than I was, for sure!

I'm not worried about him at all.

Will his repaired ligament end up stronger than the other one like yours? Or does that only occur when it was torn to start?

[Tully365]

I've had both - but my ankle surgery involved a severed ligament, which is much worse than what Manu will have to deal with. Once my incision had healed, which took 6 weeks, and my physical therapy was finished, which took another 4 weeks, my repaired ligament was actually much stronger than my other ankle. It is to this day much stronger.

Arthroscopic surgery is far less invasive and his ligament is just aggravated, not torn or severed, so he will do just fine. He's got the best doctors, the best trainers, and the best therapists - far better than I had. He's also in much better physical condition than I was, for sure!

I'm not worried about him at all.

Your ligament was actually severed?! Wow-- sounds painful. Congrats on the full recovery.

Have you been keeping up on Shaun Livingston's comeback? I've read he's able to dunk again and plays one-on-one, but not full contact 5-on-5 yet. It would be an amazing story if he makes it back.

[Bruno]

http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/basketball/fba/story?id=3560956

No early timetable for Ginobili return

By Stephania Bell
August 30, 2008, 3:14 PM

The San Antonio Spurs announced on their official Web site Friday that Manu Ginobili will undergo surgery to correct a posterior impingement of his left ankle. He is expected to have the surgery next week, and his timetable to return will be announced by the team afterward.
Guy Lake

The injury to Ginobili is not a new one. He originally injured his ankle during the Spurs-Suns series in the 2008 NBA playoffs. The ankle bothered him for what was left of the season and also hampered his effectiveness. Ginobili underwent a trial of conservative rehabilitation that included an injection into the painful area, immobilization of the ankle in a walking boot and structured activity designed to regain strength to support the ankle. It was no secret that there was concern on the part of the Spurs regarding Ginobili's decision to play in the Olympics, given the recent problems with his ankle. However, Ginobili was determined to represent his native Argentina if his ankle was no worse, and he did so with great pride, even carrying his country's flag in the opening ceremonies.

But the residual effects of the original ankle injury made themselves known during Ginobili's efforts in the semifinal game between Argentina and, of all teams, the United States. In the first quarter, Ginobili appeared to aggravate the injury as he rolled out on a play. The play was fairly unremarkable in that there was no hard contact and it did not result from an awkward landing -- suggesting that Ginobili's setback was perhaps inevitable, a result of instability still present in the ankle.

Ginobili explained his decision to undergo surgery to Argentina's La Nacion newspaper Friday. "It's the same as it was two months ago, when they did the first [MRI] exam," Ginobili said. "It's not worse, which is important. Now, the thing is, it's not better either, and it seems like the only way to repair it completely is arthroscopic surgery."

So what is a "posterior ankle impingement" and what is reasonable to expect from Ginobili afterward? Posterior impingement is actually a condition in which the name pretty well explains the problem. The impingement, or "pinching," results from injury to the soft and bony tissue in the posterior ankle region. Compression of the soft tissue in the posterior (back) of the ankle occurs during repeated plantar flexion, or pointing of the foot (which happens during pushing off, running and jumping), as the soft tissue gets pinched between the two bones that form the joint surfaces. This repeated pinching can lead to pain, inflammation and thickening of any of the associated tissues. Impingement can occur for a variety of reasons, including ankle instability resulting from prior sprains, which cause excessive motion within the joint and place strain on nearby tissues.

The timetable for return ultimately depends on exactly what transpires during surgery. That's why the Spurs are likely reserving a timetable announcement until surgery is complete. Various reports have Ginobili missing six to eight weeks, which is a reasonable timeframe, assuming surgery and rehabilitation proceed without incident. The timetable will be dependent upon how quickly he recovers his range of motion and then progresses through activity that will return him to readiness to play. Keeping in mind that Ginobili's explosiveness and power had been limited for some time by the condition, it might take additional time, once he is back on the court, for him to return to pre-injury form.

[Bruno]

ESPN, where fantasy basketball writers are better than the ones called "experts". :rolleyes

[Obstructed_View]

Will his repaired ligament end up stronger than the other one like yours? Or does that only occur when it was torn to start?

I'm no doctor, but it sounds like the repair is going to be on the parts causing the impingement, not on the ligament. Once it no longer gets pinched when he extends his foot, the ligament just needs to heal, which I know from experience can take a long time depending on the severity.

EDIT of above: Upon further research it looks like the ligment itself may need to be debrided, which is when the extra tissue is shaved away, allowing it to heal.

[Slippy]

http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/basketball/fba/story?id=3560956

No early timetable for Ginobili return

By Stephania Bell
August 30, 2008, 3:14 PM

Ginobili underwent a trial of conservative rehabilitation that included an injection into the painful area, immobilization of the ankle in a walking boot and structured activity designed to regain strength to support the ankle. It was no secret that there was concern on the part of the Spurs regarding Ginobili's decision to play in the Olympics, given the recent problems with his ankle. However, Ginobili was determined to represent his native Argentina if his ankle was no worse, and he did so with great pride, even carrying his country's flag in the opening ceremonies.



Short term solution. Surgery was on the cards. I wonder if some fully undertsand the risks Manu was taking to play in the Olympics.



After I arrived they immediately did an MRI on my left ankle, more than anything to check how the ligament looked, if it was bigger or smaller than last time we checked or if it was damaged. Basically, the studies indicated that it’s just like it was two months ago when I got the first MRI. It is not worse which is important. Now the thing is it is not better either, and it looks that the only way for a total recovery is to undergo arthroscopic surgery.


Poeple saying this injury was waiting to happen no matter where are ignoring the fact that it could of gotten worse by playing in the olympics. Luckily it was still the same. There was zero chance of making it worse if he had been resting. Going by unchanged MRI surgey was bound to happen.

[Slippy]

:lol

The church of manu grows worse.

Im a spurs fans first but a big Manu fan as well. No way do i want to turn this into a Manu is selfish thread because he's not even close to it. IF anything it shows how much courage and determination this guy posseses. What he was willing to put at stake for his country . They are great traits of a great person.

My perspective was this. Keeping in mind he had already given 10 years of service to his NT. With the injury he was carrying, Is 3weeks worth the risk when we could have a healthy Manu for years to come. To finish his career as a Spur going out on his own terms instead of having it curtailed by injury. It was no-brainer for me. The last thing i wanted to see was a gimpy Manu finishing out his career a shell of his former self . Wouldn't true Manu fans have wanted this as well.

Im just gratefull that the injury wasn't worse and it wont go down that path.

[urunobili]

the Surgery will be done tomorrow...

http://www.ole.clarin.com/notas/2008/09/02/basquet/01751226.html

[Bruno]

Thanks. :tu

I will cross my fingers tomorrow. Hopefully, Spurs won't wait to long before releasing the recovery timetable.

[timvp]

Sounds like best case scenario is December return. But could be even later depending on what is found during surgery.

[MiamiHeat]

the Surgery will be done tomorrow...

http://www.ole.clarin.com/notas/2008/09/02/basquet/01751226.html

ouch

[wildbill2u]

Athletes are incurable optimists, always believing that their superb bodies will never fail them in any meaningful way.

If they had any other attitude they wouldn't be able to play at a high level because they'd be afraid of injuries all the time.

Blaming Manu for this attitude is like blaming an animal for following its primal nature.

[MiamiHeat]

That's the stupidest comment I've read all week.

They aren't brain dead without the ability to rationalize, wise guy. Use your common sense and don't do stupid shit.

[DPG21920]

That's the stupidest comment I've read all week.

They aren't brain dead without the ability to rationalize, wise guy. Use your common sense and don't do stupid shit.

He should of just tanked it like most super stars, won 15 games, and then drafted Beasley...

[MiamiHeat]

What does that have anything to do with what I said?

Resort to changing the topic, sad sign of mental weakness.



AS I WAS SAYING,

They aren't brain dead without the ability to rationalize, wise guy. Use your common sense and don't do stupid shit.

[DPG21920]

He did rationalize. He said it is not going to get any worse. I can still play as long as I can handle the pain. Surgery was going to happen no matter what. Did you read the articles? He said it got NO WORSE.

It is called using deductive reasoning. Your statements were about athletes (in this case Manu) "not doing stupid shit". In the same context I cited Wade's decision to tank a season. I does not matter if you miss games for your NBA team at the end of a season (Wade) or the beginning of a season (Manu). Wade could have finished the season out with the Heat, and done his rehab during the Olympics.

Quit trying to act like you are someone more intelligent than others by saying stupid things like "sad sign of mental weakness". It just makes you look like a tool.

[MiamiHeat]

Then stop acting stupid so you don't feel inferior when debating me.

Manu will say anything to play in the Olympics, it's common knowledge that coaches tell their players when and when not to play. Players always want to play. Why do you make me explain elementary shit to you, dumbass? Stop posting.

Pop knew and told his ass to sit down and not play. Manu went anyway and fed us bullshit. He re-injured his already injured ankle and made it worse than it was before.

That was plain stupid. S-T-U-P-I-D. Manu is a HUMAN, not a fucking chimpanzee that has no rationale.

[DPG21920]

Then stop acting stupid so you don't feel inferior when debating me.

Manu will say anything to play in the Olympics, it's common knowledge that coaches tell their players when and when not to play. Players always want to play. Why do you make me explain elementary shit to you, dumbass? Stop posting.

Pop knew and told his ass to sit down and not play. Manu went anyway and fed us bullshit. He re-injured his already injured ankle and made it worse than it was before.

That was plain stupid. S-T-U-P-I-D. Manu is a HUMAN, not a fucking chimpanzee that has no rationale.

It is so easy to debate people like you. All I need is to prove you wrong once and your arguments fall to pieces. Here is a link to the article where it says the ankle got NO WORSE THAN IT WAS BEFORE HE PLAYED. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3559440

It is funny the guy with 190 posts is calling people dumb ass and telling them to stop, especially when he just got owned so easily.

[DPG21920]

Athletes are incurable optimists, always believing that their superb bodies will never fail them in any meaningful way.

If they had any other attitude they wouldn't be able to play at a high level because they'd be afraid of injuries all the time.

Blaming Manu for this attitude is like blaming an animal for following its primal nature.


That's the stupidest comment I've read all week.

They aren't brain dead without the ability to rationalize, wise guy. Use your common sense and don't do stupid shit.


Then stop acting stupid so you don't feel inferior when debating me.

Manu will say anything to play in the Olympics, it's common knowledge that coaches tell their players when and when not to play. Players always want to play. Why do you make me explain elementary shit to you, dumbass? Stop posting.

Pop knew and told his ass to sit down and not play. Manu went anyway and fed us bullshit. He re-injured his already injured ankle and made it worse than it was before.

That was plain stupid. S-T-U-P-I-D. Manu is a HUMAN, not a fucking chimpanzee that has no rationale.

Isn't that what the first guy said and you jumped him? Self ownage is a beautiful thing.

[DPG21920]

MiamiHeat: your the one I see only posting worthless garbage about your preconceived notions of patriotism and bringing nothing introspective about basketball. This is who you remind me of:

Q2fGl9587X8

[RashoFan]

Good Luck to Manu as he has surgery on his ankle. Fast recovery Manu!

[Cherry]

I cross my fingers for Manu.
Get well soon.

:flag:

[ducks]

I cross my fingers for Manu.
Get well soon.

:flag:

give him a kiss he might get better

[Cherry]

give him a kiss he might get better

stfu:sucker

[SuperManu!!!]

give him a kiss he might get better

YOu just love having manu hurt doesn't it? The last time i checked, when manu was hurt, spurs didn't won the conference finals so if you want parker win mvp again, you should hope he is ok fast

[SenorSpur]

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/08/29/sports/LA-BKN-Ginobili-Surgery.php

.....out 6-8 weeks....Article below, for the click challenged.

BUENOS AIRES, Argentina: San Antonio Spurs guard Manu Ginobili says he needs arthroscopic surgery to repair a ligament injury in his left heel after playing for Argentina in the Beijing Olympics.

"They're going to operate on me," Ginobili was quoted as saying by Argentina's La Nacion newspaper Friday.

Ginobili, who helped lead Argentina to a bronze medal in Beijing, said a subsequent MRI exam of his injured ankle showed no improvement.

"It's the same as it was two months ago, when they did the first exam," he said. "It's not worse, which is important. Now, the thing is, it's not better either, and it seems like the only way to repair it completely is arthroscopic surgery."

Ginobili first hurt the ankle during the NBA playoffs, and Spurs coach Gregg Popovich had urged his player not to compete in the Olympics unless the injury improved. Ginobili had to sit out the bronze-medal match against Lithuania after feeling pain during the semifinals against the United States.

Ginobili, 31, said he doesn't know what doctor will perform the surgery or when.

"Aside from this situation, I'm comfortable with the situation," he said. "My plan was to be part of the Olympic games, and I knew that if I suffered from pain they would have to operate. This isn't something that took me by surprise."

DD

I don't know if this has been brought up or not. I was too lazy to read through all the pages.

If Manu's ankle is the same as it was 2 months ago, why didn't he just have the surgery then and get it over with? He would've been well into his rehab by now. I realize that would've meant missing the Olympics and I don't begrudge him for his strong loyalty to his country and countrymen, but the Spurs are his bread and butter and the ones that pay him the enormous salary.

[smeagol]

I realize that would've meant missing the Olympics and I don't begrudge him for his strong loyalty to his country and countrymen, but the Spurs are his bread and butter and the ones that pay him the enormous salary.

Now here's an original take. One we haven't heard ever on this forum. :rolleyes

[Obstructed_View]

Despite all evidence to the contrary, which is that the surgery is taking place because the MRI is unchanged. If the MRI was unchanged earlier this summer, he would have had the surgery earlier this summer. The injury itself had nothing to do with it.

If there had been no international competition this summer, do you think he would have already had the surgery and been several weeks into his recovery by now?

[Bonior]

Even though I'm a Rockets fan, I wish Manu well. I enjoy watching him when he's not playing us, and when he's not flopping. Besides, when we play the Spurs, I don't want them to have any excuses for losing.