View Full Version : Karl Rove Thinks Palin Pick Ignores Responsibility of Presidency
Mr. Peabody
08-29-2008, 02:55 PM
Per CBS News
CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/10/ftn/main4336134.shtml)
Rove: Obama Will Make Political Veep Pick
Suggests Choice Of Virginian Tim Kaine Would Be An "Intensely Political Choice" That Ignores Responsibilities Of Presidency
(CBS) Republican strategist Karl Rove said on Face The Nation Sunday that he expects presumptive Democratic nominee Barack Obama to choose a running mate based on political calculations, not the person's readiness for the job.
"I think he's going to make an intensely political choice, not a governing choice," Rove said. "He's going to view this through the prism of a candidate, not through the prism of president; that is to say, he's going to pick somebody that he thinks will on the margin help him in a state like Indiana or Missouri or Virginia. He's not going to be thinking big and broad about the responsibilities of president."
Rove singled out Virginia governor Tim Kaine, also a Face The Nation guest, as an example of such a pick.
"With all due respect again to Governor Kaine, he's been a governor for three years:lol:toast, he's been able but undistinguished," Rove said. "I don't think people could really name a big, important thing that he's done. He was mayor of the 105th largest city in America.":lol:toast
Rove continued: "So if he were to pick Governor Kaine, it would be an intensely political choice where he said, `You know what? I'm really not, first and foremost, concerned with, is this person capable of being president of the United States? :lol:toast What I'm concerned about is, can he bring me the electoral votes :lol:toast of the state of Virginia, the 13 electoral votes in Virginia?'"
How do you spin this?
Buddy Holly
08-29-2008, 02:56 PM
They can't. They will.
JoeChalupa
08-29-2008, 02:57 PM
But McCain did good.
Findog
08-29-2008, 03:02 PM
It's a terrible pick. VPs cant help you, they can only hurt. She undercuts his arguing against Obama being inexperienced. They're going to carry Alaska anyway. They're delusional if they think they're going to win this election on the backs of bitter Hillary dead-enders.
T Park
08-29-2008, 03:07 PM
He was on somewhere earliers saying it was a great pick.
Believe what you want to believe I guess.
CubanMustGo
08-29-2008, 03:10 PM
What do I want in a VP? Someone who can run the country if, God forbid, something happens to the president.
I'd rather not have someone whose primary qualifications include mayor of a town with 9000 people and governor of a state totally like any other in the union (not to mention with fewer people than Austin) with their hands on the football should McCain go down. And the man IS 72, and the office DOES age its occupants prematurely. At least he didn't choose Carly Fiorina. Kay Bailey would have been a far better choice.
Biden may not be the sharpest tool in the drawer but I'd take him over this rookie any day.
Wild Cobra
08-29-2008, 03:11 PM
Oh, now I have to call you Mr. Pea Brain!
You are comparing apples and oranges!
Look more closely at the quote:
"he's been able but undistinguished," Rove said. "I don't think people could really name a big, important thing that he's done."
Palin has definitely distinguished herself. She has accomplished things. To take what Rove says about Kaine, and apply it to Palin is asinine.
Per CBS News
How do you spin this?
He doesn't need to.
Karl Rove isn't running for president.
Mr. Peabody
08-29-2008, 03:19 PM
Oh, now I have to call you Mr. Pea Brain!
You are comparing apples and oranges!
Look more closely at the quote:
"he's been able but undistinguished," Rove said. "I don't think people could really name a big, important thing that he's done."
Palin has definitely distinguished herself. She has accomplished things. To take what Rove says about Kaine, and apply it to Palin is asinine.
And Karl Rove was pointing to Kaine's length of service as governor and size of city he presided over as mayor because.....:rolleyes
Mr. Peabody
08-29-2008, 03:19 PM
He doesn't need to.
Karl Rove isn't running for president.
He's the chief strategist for the Republican Party.
This is ridiculous...how many left wing talking heads blasted McCain for being the same old crap we've had in Washington the past 30 years right before Obama picked an old white dude who has been in Washington for the past 30 years?
Do we need a thread for each one?
He's the chief strategist for the Republican Party.
Ehhhhhhhh...he was Bush's cheif strategist years ago.
Im not even sure if "Cheif Strategist for the Republican Party" is an actual position.
Right now he's just a pundit for Fox News and he's writing a book.
Are Obamanites REALLY in here arguing experience is really, really, important.
At least Palin IS governor; Obama's experience post STATE legislator is "running for president", isn't it?
Also, you cats are being AWFUL sexist assuming her ONLY qualification is "being a woman". Have you not seen how giddy the Right Wingers are with this pick of a (something that should be taboo with them) Working Mother of Five? Her politics and commitment to conservatism were necessary.
Hypocrites.
Buddy Holly
08-29-2008, 03:28 PM
Oh, now I have to call you Mr. Pea Brain!
You are comparing apples and oranges!
Look more closely at the quote:
"he's been able but undistinguished," Rove said. "I don't think people could really name a big, important thing that he's done."
Palin has definitely distinguished herself. She has accomplished things. To take what Rove says about Kaine, and apply it to Palin is asinine.
And there is how you spin!
Winner winner!
She distinguished herself, how? No one even paid attention or knew who this woman was 24 hours ago. How is it if she's soooo distinguished did she remain so unknown? More so than Kaine.
What was her big accomplishment that netted her distinguish?
Stopping the bridge to nowhere from happening?
Extra Stout
08-29-2008, 03:28 PM
If they ever make a TV show about the Sarah Palin Presidency, Geena Davis has experience...
Wild Cobra
08-29-2008, 03:29 PM
And Karl Rove was pointing to Kaine's length of service as governor and size of city he presided over as mayor because.....:rolleyes
Because there was nothing the man did with distinction, so pointing this out continues to show he just doesn't have what it take. The size of the city doesn't matter hardly at all when you take action with distinction.
He had three years and accomplished nothing important. She accomplished plenty in less time. That's the key.
Think about those facts. If it was one year and did nothing, you could say nothing came up.
If they ever make a TV show about the Sarah Palin Presidency, Geena Davis has experience...
Is Mickey Rooney still alive? ...could play McCain.
Mr. Peabody
08-29-2008, 03:32 PM
Are Obamanites REALLY in here arguing experience is really, really, important.
I wouldn't call Rove an "Obamanite." He slammed McCain's pick two weeks before McCain made it.
PixelPusher
08-29-2008, 03:34 PM
Are Obamanites REALLY in here arguing experience is really, really, important.
At least Palin IS governor; Obama's experience post STATE legislator is "running for president", isn't it?
Also, you cats are being AWFUL sexist assuming her ONLY qualification is "being a woman". Have you not seen how giddy the Right Wingers are with this pick of a (something that should be taboo with them) Working Mother of Five? Her politics and commitment to conservatism were necessary.
Hypocrites.
Look in the goddamn mirror, all I've heard all throughout the campaign season is Republicans harping on Obama's lack of experience...now they're all just fine and dandy with a newbie from Alaska.
Hypocrites.
Look in the goddamn mirror, all I've heard all throughout the campaign season is Republicans harping on Obama's lack of experience...now they're all just fine and dandy with a newbie from Alaska.
Hypocrites.
You haven't heard me harping on that; I've harped on his ACTUAL POLICIES; they scare the crap out of me.
Mr. Body
08-29-2008, 04:03 PM
Ehhhhhhhh...he was Bush's cheif strategist years ago.
Im not even sure if "Cheif Strategist for the Republican Party" is an actual position.
Right now he's just a pundit for Fox News and he's writing a book.
Rove is tremendously important to the GOP still and is only unofficial to the McCain campaign. Not sure if they'll make it official, but he's there.
When McCain started focusing his neg. messages? The celebrity stuff? That was Rove coming in.
Anti.Hero
08-29-2008, 04:08 PM
lulz, keep it coming
It's entertainment watching some people scramble to come up with so many laughable arguments against her.
Pelosi would be 3rd option, so 2nd choice could never be BAD hahaha
Anti.Hero
08-29-2008, 04:12 PM
Shit, not everyone can go from Community Organizer to Senator by using some loophole to prohibit the incumbent.
Us simple folk gots to start out small in 9k people towns. Don't hate.
Mr. Peabody
08-29-2008, 04:15 PM
Video of Rove panning McCain pick
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Anti.Hero
08-29-2008, 04:20 PM
Who gives a shit about Kaine?
Palin has done many great things for Alaska. Look it up. Not only did she cut taxes and build up some state capital, she re-invested it! Holy shit! I thought that made politicians melt.
Argue actual good work by a politician when Obama's greatest Senate achievement is preventing lobbyist from feeding politicians when they are sitting? Awesome..
How do you guys do this with a straight face? :lmao:lmao
Mr. Body
08-29-2008, 04:27 PM
She grew the budget of the small town she mayored by a lot. She's a perfect Republican: big government for no reason!
Other than that, she rode her snowmobile around and chased moose off the streets. It'll be hilarious when McCain croaks and she has to face down Vladimir Putin. Ft. Worth has more people than all of Alaska.
PixelPusher
08-29-2008, 04:38 PM
lulz, keep it coming
It's entertainment watching some people scramble to come up with so many laughable arguments against her.
Lulz, keep it up.
It's entertaining watching you guys slap each other on the back for this VP pick, and not realize that the issue of Obama's experience has just been taken off the table, to his advantage.
Mr. Body
08-29-2008, 05:18 PM
It's not just that Obama's experience is off the table, it's that McCain's age is practically ushered to the front of the stage. Not only are we obligated to ask about his judgment in making this pick, when standing side by side he comes off as incredibly weird looking, grey and washed out, and tremendously old.
Ignignokt
08-29-2008, 05:30 PM
Lulz, keep it up.
It's entertaining watching you guys slap each other on the back for this VP pick, and not realize that the issue of Obama's experience has just been taken off the table, to his advantage.
how did that happen, did Obama step back and let Biden be the Pres candidate?
Ignignokt
08-29-2008, 05:30 PM
It's not just that Obama's experience is off the table, it's that McCain's age is practically ushered to the front of the stage. Not only are we obligated to ask about his judgment in making this pick, when standing side by side he comes off as incredibly weird looking, grey and washed out, and tremendously old.
Ronald Reagan was old too.
Sucks to be a democrat :rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin
Nbadan
08-30-2008, 12:19 AM
err........Iran - contra.................
SnakeBoy
08-30-2008, 12:53 AM
Other than that, she rode her snowmobile around and chased moose off the streets. It'll be hilarious when McCain croaks and she has to face down Vladimir Putin.
Obama is too much of a pussy to face McCain in a town hall meeting or any venue where he can't prepare for the questions in advance. He's even scared to sit down with any non friendly press guys but you keep on pretending he has what it takes to handle the likes of Putin. Biden was right about the presidency not lending itself to on the job training what he failed to mention was that OJT for the presidency is called vice president.
After passing on a guaranteed win by putting Hillary on the ticket, I hope the dems stick with the she's just a woman line of attack on Palin. Idiots :rolleyes
Nbadan
08-30-2008, 01:34 AM
Obama is too much of a pussy to face McCain in a town hall meeting or any venue where he can't prepare for the questions in advance.
STFU, Obama is gonna bitch slap McCain in the debates...
Aggie Hoopsfan
08-30-2008, 02:01 AM
What do I want in a VP? Someone who can run the country if, God forbid, something happens to the president.
I'd rather not have someone whose primary qualifications include mayor of a town with 9000 people and governor of a state totally like any other in the union (not to mention with fewer people than Austin) with their hands on the football should McCain go down. And the man IS 72, and the office DOES age its occupants prematurely. At least he didn't choose Carly Fiorina. Kay Bailey would have been a far better choice.
Biden may not be the sharpest tool in the drawer but I'd take him over this rookie any day.
As much as she has stood up to big oil, whom everyone hates and the dems wants to blame all of society's problems on, you'd think that would be impressive.
But hey, fuck the facts. Democratic talking points that Obama and his staff came up with while in the fetal position over her selection work well as far as copy and paste goes.
Aggie Hoopsfan
08-30-2008, 02:02 AM
Lulz, keep it up.
It's entertaining watching you guys slap each other on the back for this VP pick, and not realize that the issue of Obama's experience has just been taken off the table, to his advantage.
The difference is, she'd be able to learn on the job as VP. Obama doesn't have the luxury of being the backup.
Not to mention, she's accomplished more in her time as governor of Alaska than Obama has as a senator. But hey, he's black, gotta vote for him, right?
Aggie Hoopsfan
08-30-2008, 02:04 AM
Stopping the bridge to nowhere from happening?
Well, that's more than Obama could do in the Senate. And he didn't have five kids to raise.
:toast
Aggie Hoopsfan
08-30-2008, 02:05 AM
Look in the goddamn mirror, all I've heard all throughout the campaign season is Republicans harping on Obama's lack of experience...now they're all just fine and dandy with a newbie from Alaska.
Hypocrites.
SHe's fixed more shit in Alaska in her time as governor than Obama has as his entire time as an elected official in Illinois and the Senate. Next.
Nbadan
08-30-2008, 02:19 AM
As much as she has stood up to big oil, whom everyone hates and the dems wants to blame all of society's problems on, you'd think that would be impressive.
Dude, her husband works for BP
Nbadan
08-30-2008, 02:20 AM
SHe's fixed more shit in Alaska in her time as governor than Obama has as his entire time as an elected official in Illinois and the Senate. Next.
but, but............Alaska is one big socialist state...You get paid for not working...
Ya Vez
08-30-2008, 11:56 AM
So I guess VP's don't have staffs and advisor's on everything from national security to domestic issues... besides she is not at the top of the ticket, and people are acting like Mccain is going to croak or something within his presidency.. the experience argument is a mute point as far as I am concerned... you see Presidents and VP's have staffs and advisor's no matter the party affiliation.. And I rather have a VP doing on the job training rather than the president... IMHO
Wild Cobra
08-30-2008, 12:20 PM
STFU, Obama is gonna bitch slap McCain in the debates...
Without a teleprompter?
Fat chance...
cool hand
08-30-2008, 01:00 PM
that sarah palin is HOT!
http://themodernsavage.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/sexy-teacher1.jpg
Tully365
08-30-2008, 01:43 PM
" ...based on political calculations, not the person's readiness for the job."
"I think he's going to make an intensely political choice, not a governing choice," Rove said.
Good job, Brownie. --G Bush*
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