One day later...

[Nbadan]

Palin had a cop fired for personal reasons..


For most of her tenure as governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin has enjoyed widespread popularity and a reputation as a maverick who refused to stand by fellow Alaska Republicans facing their own ethics scandals.

But the 44-year-old Palin, who was selected as Sen. John McCain's running mate today, is now the focus of her own state ethics investigation as part of the so-called "Troopergate" scandal, a bizarre controversy involving the firing of a state police chief and his reluctance to fire an Alaska state trooper, Palin's former brother-in-law who has been involved in a bitter custody fight with her younger sister.

Just two weeks ago, Palin revealed an audio recording of an aide pressuring the state's Public Safety Department to fire trooper Mike Wooten, the Anchorage Daily News reported.

Palin also acknowledged that her staff had contacted Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan about two dozen times about Wooten. Monegan himself was fired July 11 (the dismissal was "out of the blue," he told reporters) and he later said that he was pressured by Palin's staff and family to get rid of Wooten, a trooper based in Palmer, Alaska.

Washington Post (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washingtonpostinvestigations/2008/08/mccains_vp_pick_palin_facing_e.html)

[Nbadan]

After weeks of denying she, or anyone from her office, pressured former Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan to fire state trooper Michael Wooten, Wednesday, Governor Sarah Palin had to backtrack.


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[whottt]

See what I meant Chalupa?

[Nbadan]

I love it when the leader for responsible government, Ted Stevens, vouches for Palin's ethics! Pure gold.


B5vwzvUK_qg

[whottt]

whottt to Joe Chalupa about Palin in The Club earlier today:



If you are just going to post propaganda, save it...Nbadan and boutons do it better than you and they'll be beginning shortly.



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[Nbadan]

Yeah, it's all propaganda :rolleyes

Palin's sister got a divorce from a State Trooper a couple years ago, they had/have an ongoing custody battle. Since the divorce, Palin and her family have put in something like 25 complaints to the troopers about the Ex. The troopers investigated, found 3 of them to be true, and he was disciplined during the adminsitration before Palin's. That should have been the end of it, but Palin took office and in the first year of her administration there were at least 25 calls made to higher ups in the State Troopers and to the Commisioner of Public Safety putting pressure on them to fire the trooper. It is illegal for the governor or any member of her staff to interfere with a non-exempt employee in the state.

When it became clear the head of Public Safety wasn't going to fire the ex-brother in law, and when there were rumours that the troopers might be investigating the pressure being placed on them, Palin fired the Commisioner. She said she fired him because he had a different vision for the direction of the troopers. Then the next day she released a memo with her administrations vision, and it was exactly the same as the fired Commisioner's, the same language was even used. Then she said he wasn't making adequate progress on alcohol issues in bush Alaska, but when he was fired he was offered another job as head of the Alcoholic Beverage Control board, where Palin said he would be able to continue his in his expertise working on alcohol issues in bush Alaska.

The legislature approved and hired a special investigator to look into the whole mess, and the day before he was supposed to start Palin had a press conference indicating that she had had her Attorney General do an investigation to "find out who knew what." They actually had the nerve/lack of brains to say that in the conference. They uncovered an audio tape of one of Palin's top aides, a guy considered her right hand and more important in her administration than the chief of staff, calling a trooper and clearly applying pressure on behalf of the governor. She said she had no idea he did it, that it was hurtful and embarrassing to the state that he would do that, that it was absolutely wrong of him, and then nothing happened to him. He was still on the job for about a week, before the media started pushing hard about why he wasn't fired. So she placed him on PAID administrative leave.

That is where things are now with it. The investigator is doing his investigation, but there are potential several laws that were broken, and at the very least we know she is a vindictive liar, and that her open, honest, transparent anti-corruption image is a sham.

[whottt]

Yeah, it's all propaganda :rolleyes

Palin's sister got a divorce from a State Trooper a couple years ago, they had/have an ongoing custody battle. Since the divorce, Palin and her family have put in something like 25 complaints to the troopers about the Ex. The troopers investigated, found 3 of them to be true, and he was disciplined during the adminsitration before Palin's. That should have been the end of it, but Palin took office and in the first year of her administration there were at least 25 calls made to higher ups in the State Troopers and to the Commisioner of Public Safety putting pressure on them to fire the trooper. It is illegal for the governor or any member of her staff to interfere with a non-exempt employee in the state.

When it became clear the head of Public Safety wasn't going to fire the ex-brother in law, and when there were rumours that the troopers might be investigating the pressure being placed on them, Palin fired the Commisioner. She said she fired him because he had a different vision for the direction of the troopers. Then the next day she released a memo with her administrations vision, and it was exactly the same as the fired Commisioner's, the same language was even used. Then she said he wasn't making adequate progress on alcohol issues in bush Alaska, but when he was fired he was offered another job as head of the Alcoholic Beverage Control board, where Palin said he would be able to continue his in his expertise working on alcohol issues in bush Alaska.

The legislature approved and hired a special investigator to look into the whole mess, and the day before he was supposed to start Palin had a press conference indicating that she had had her Attorney General do an investigation to "find out who knew what." They actually had the nerve/lack of brains to say that in the conference. They uncovered an audio tape of one of Palin's top aides, a guy considered her right hand and more important in her administration than the chief of staff, calling a trooper and clearly applying pressure on behalf of the governor. She said she had no idea he did it, that it was hurtful and embarrassing to the state that he would do that, that it was absolutely wrong of him, and then nothing happened to him. He was still on the job for about a week, before the media started pushing hard about why he wasn't fired. So she placed him on PAID administrative leave.

That is where things are now with it. The investigator is doing his investigation, but there are potential several laws that were broken, and at the very least we know she is a vindictive liar, and that her open, honest, transparent anti-corruption image is a sham.




:sleep

[Nbadan]

:rolleyes

Just another law breaking Republican to you....

[whottt]

So awesome to feel the winds of "change" blowing through this thread.


Tell me dan...are there any women Presidential candidates that you don't hate, Mr. Liberal?

[whottt]

boutons please hurry up and post your opinion on Palin...I have something to post as soon as you do now that dan has started....and frankly your opinion isn't worth waiting this long for...


So please hurry up and spew your hate filled propaganda....

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

BFD. She's got a long way to go to catch up to hanging out with a domestic terrorist whose only regrets are that he didn't blow up the entire Pentagon and other buildings he bombed.

Seriously, those who live in demostic terrorist laden glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones.

[whottt]

boutons is a cocksucker for leaving the forum...

[Mr. Body]

Ted Stevens and others make the state GOP the most corrupt in the nation. Fortunately Palin is not part of their stuff.

[SnakeBoy]

Yep, Obama can go after her on that. Sarah Palin isn't qualified, she's just a woman ,um, err, I mean a typical white woman, and she abused her power by trying to get a poor wife beating cop fired.

That's sure to get those PUMA's to warm up to him.

[Mr. Body]

This family's dirty laundry is about to get aired all over the United States.

[ChumpDumper]

This kind of makes me think the story that she wasn't fully vetted might be true.

[Mr. Body]

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/6011/palinfactssmalllowrezsn7.jpg

[whottt]

:lmao You guys are going to come off as such colossal assholes going after a mother of 5. Especially after the way you went after Hillary.

This is going to be funny...


Go party of change go!

[Mr. Body]

Is this the new line?

You can't say McCain's addled and doesn't know what he's doing... because he was a POW!

You can't say Palin's totally unqualified... because she has five children!

[whottt]

Is this the new line?

You can't say McCain's addled and doesn't know what he's doing... because he was a POW!

You can't say Palin's totally unqualified... because she has five children!


:lmao you go ahead and say it all you want...by all means, go for it.


Attack...rip...maim...get after it. I just want a good seat for the show.

[whottt]

:lmao Go after her at least as much as you did Hillary(and then left her off the ticket)...be sure to let Hilary and all those women know that their job right now is to stand BEHIND you and offer their support...because that's what change is all about.

Tell them that if they can't stand the heat they should get back in the kitchen :lol


Not to mention ask Hillary to give up a shot in 2012.



McCain was mean to not use any lube on you guys. He really was...

The best thing for you guys to do know is be viscious about it, and attack...you know, like you did Hillary, and Bush, because it works so well. :lol


Be sure to let people know how stupid they are...and how little their stupid little downs and states matter...and if they'd just shut up and get out of the way the world would be a better place :lol


I look forward to your next round of pictures...

[whottt]

Attack...sicem boy! Post that propaganda :lmao

[Trainwreck2100]

Seriously, those who live in demostic terrorist laden glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones.

they would if there were innocent American citizens in the house as well

[AZLouis]

Today Sarah Palin says (and the media ate it up and repeated the same talking points from the McCain campaign) that she shot down the "Bridge to nowhere" and that they didn't want funding for it. Total and complete lies folks. Will the media ever research facts?

From today's speech:

I signed major ethics reform. And I appointed both Democrats and independents to serve in my administration. And I championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. In fact, I told Congress -- I told Congress, "Thanks, but no thanks," on that bridge to nowhere.

If our state wanted a bridge, I said we'd build it ourselves. Well, it's always, though, safer in politics to avoid risk, to just kind of go along with the status quo. But I didn't get into government to do the safe and easy things. A ship in harbor is safe, but that's not why the ship is built.

Politics isn't just a game of competing interests and clashing parties. The people of America expect us to seek public office and to serve for the right reasons.

And here was her support for the bridge a couple of years ago and disappointment when Alaska couldn't get the federal funding.
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_p...o-nowhere.aspx

Did Palin Really Fight The “Bridge To Nowhere”?
Republicans have been heavily touting Sarah Palin's reformist credentials, with her supposed opposition to Alaska's "Bridge to Nowhere" as Exhibit A. But how hard did she really fight the project? Not very, it seems. Here's what she told the Anchorage Daily News on October 22, 2006, during the race for the governor's seat (via Nexis):

5. Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?

Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now--while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.

So she was very much for the bridge and insisted that Alaska had to act quickly—the party of Ted Stevens and Don Young might soon lose its majority, after all. By that point, the project was endangered for reasons that had nothing to do with Palin—the bridge had become a national laughingstock, Congress had stripped away the offending earmark, shifting the money back to the state's general fund, and future federal support seemed unlikely. True, after Palin was sworn into office that fall, her first budget didn't allocate any money for the bridge. But when the Daily News asked on December 16, 2006, if she now opposed the project, Palin demurred and said she was just trying to figure out where the bridge fit on the state's list of transportation priorities, given the lack of support from Congress. Finally, on September 19, 2007, she decided to redirect funds away from the project altogether with this sorry-sounding statement:

"Ketchikan desires a better way to reach the airport, but the $398 million bridge is not the answer," said Governor Palin. "Despite the work of our congressional delegation, we are about $329 million short of full funding for the bridge project, and it's clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island," Governor Palin added. "Much of the public's attitude toward Alaska bridges is based on inaccurate portrayals of the projects here. But we need to focus on what we can do, rather than fight over what has happened."

Maybe I've missed something, but it sure looks like she was fine with the bridge in principle, never had a problem with the earmarks, bristled at all the mockery, and only gave up on the project when it was clear that federal support wasn't forthcoming. Now, Charles Homans, who knows Alaska well, says Palin's anti-corruption instincts are fairly solid (she sold off the gubenatorial jet upon taking office, for one), and a casual Nexis search suggests that she's fiscally conservative (insofar as that term makes sense in a quasi-socialist state like Alaska), but this hardly looks like the "Mr. Smith Goes To Washington" moment everyone's making it out to be.

P.S. Here's a piece that Palin's special counsel, John Katz, wrote in March of this year for the Juneau Empire, assuring the Alaskan public that Palin was still very much in favor of earmarks, but sadly needed to scale back her requests somewhat (to "only" 31 earmarks this year—down from 54 last year) in response to "unwanted attention" from Congress and the press

[Mr. Peabody]

Maybe I've missed something, but it sure looks like she was fine with the bridge in principle, never had a problem with the earmarks, bristled at all the mockery, and only gave up on the project when it was clear that federal support wasn't forthcoming. Now, Charles Homans, who knows Alaska well, says Palin's anti-corruption instincts are fairly solid (she sold off the gubenatorial jet upon taking office, for one), and a casual Nexis search suggests that she's fiscally conservative (insofar as that term makes sense in a quasi-socialist state like Alaska), but this hardly looks like the "Mr. Smith Goes To Washington" moment everyone's making it out to be.



How dare you.....!

She has five children.

And each of these children spent five years as a POW.

Wait....I might have the wrong.....

[Anti.Hero]

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/6011/palinfactssmalllowrezsn7.jpg

In bed with oil companies. She took away some of the tax cuts they had been getting.


LOL at the political process. Fuck it.

You wanted someone new. You wanted someone from out of washington. Obama isn't it. You see someone who is. And because she isn't a pathetic pussy liberal the sheep will bash her. Hahahahahah

[JoeChalupa]

See what I meant Chalupa?

Surely you knew this coming. :lol From what I've read that State Trooper was a real a-hole so I don't see this hurting her at all.

[JoeChalupa]

BFD. She's got a long way to go to catch up to hanging out with a domestic terrorist whose only regrets are that he didn't blow up the entire Pentagon and other buildings he bombed.

Seriously, those who live in demostic terrorist laden glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones.

:lmao Yeah, Obama was what?...8 yrs old when this shit happened? Try again. :lmao

[xrayzebra]

Hey dan, if you had a sister in custody battle over kids I guess you would take the x-brother-n-laws side. And if you were Governor you would stay neutral. Yeah, dan, we know. You are the fairest of them all. Crap!

This is like Clinton's sex life, family stuff, we shouldn't be concerned about it. :lol

[xrayzebra]

:lmao Yeah, Obama was what?...8 yrs old when this shit happened? Try again. :lmao

What he was 8 years old when he served on those boards with Ayers. I didn't know that. I thought he was in a Muslim school at that time.

[Sec24Row7]

:lmao Yeah, Obama was what?...8 yrs old when this shit happened? Try again. :lmao

If Hitler was alive would you hang out with him just because when he was doing all those awful things you hadn't been born yet?

Not comparing the dude to Hitler... just making a similar analogy.

[Ya Vez]

I love it when the leader for responsible government, Ted Stevens, vouches for Palin's ethics! Pure gold.


B5vwzvUK_qg

Kind of like Bill Ayers, and Rev. Wright...

[efrem1]

You libs. What more do you want? Her old running mate Lt. Gov. Parnell actually ran against Don Young in the primary for the US House seat. You all worship Ted Kennedy who is the king of pork who got billions and billions of dollars to build that atrocity known as the Big Dig. He is the only one keeping Massachusetts from being a backwater state (See Jon Keller's book "The BLuest State). Palin is a true reformer.

[Wild Cobra]

This kind of makes me think the story that she wasn't fully vetted might be true.

If you do a little reading on the issue, you find other facts thats support the guy's replacement. He's been fired from other jobs!

Considering she gave an interview on this subject more than two weeks ago, you can be sure she was vetted, and confidence is there this is just slander against her.

[Wild Cobra]

Today Sarah Palin says (and the media ate it up and repeated the same talking points from the McCain campaign) that she shot down the "Bridge to nowhere" and that they didn't want funding for it. Total and complete lies folks. Will the media ever research facts?
Did you read that article carefully, or jump to conclusions?

She was for the state paying fo it. Not the federal government. Other facts apply too.

[Mr. Body]

McCain - "She's taken on special interests since she ran for the PTA and city council and mayor."

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I'd tap that like a keg of Paulaner Hefeweizen.

[Nbadan]

How dare you.....!

She has five children.

And each of these children spent five years as a POW.

Wait....I might have the wrong.....

:lmao

[Nbadan]

....on the vetting vettors....

BREAKING: McCain Campaign heading to Alaska to investigate


A very reliable source overheard Republican spokesperson McHugh Pierre state TODAY that he had spoken to the McCain Campaign. They are coming to Alaska tomorrow to check out the "Troopergate" investigation.

In other words, THEY DID NOT DO SO PROPERLY AHEAD OF TIME.

So, I wonder what else they may not know...like why Bristol Palin may be holding a blanket over her abdomen in public when she's turned to the side towards the cameras?

Linky (http://divasblueoasis.blogspot.com/2008/08/breaking-mccain-campaign-heading-to.html)

[Vinnie_Johnson]

:lmao You guys are going to come off as such colossal assholes going after a mother of 5. Especially after the way you went after Hillary.

This is going to be funny...


Go party of change go!

Plus 1

:lmao

[JoeChalupa]

Yeah, you guys have never attacked Hillary before. :lmao What a joke. It is all good when you all bash Hillary but how DARE anyone say anything about Palin. :lmao

[Mr. Body]

....on the vetting vettors....

BREAKING: McCain Campaign heading to Alaska to investigate



Linky (http://divasblueoasis.blogspot.com/2008/08/breaking-mccain-campaign-heading-to.html)

Oh crap. What the hell, man? Did they really not look into this?

[whottt]

Oh crap. What the hell, man? Did they really not look into this?


Do you get all you news from "reliable" sources at Celtic Divas Blue Oasis? If so that explains a lot.

[JoeChalupa]

I still don't think it'll be a big thing but then again republicans are masters of making big issues out of little things.

[Tully365]

BFD. She's got a long way to go to catch up to hanging out with a domestic terrorist whose only regrets are that he didn't blow up the entire Pentagon and other buildings he bombed.

Seriously, those who live in demostic terrorist laden glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones.

Who are you talking about?

[whottt]

Yeah, you guys have never attacked Hillary before. :lmao What a joke. It is all good when you all bash Hillary but how DARE anyone say anything about Palin. :lmao


No one is saying not to go after her...we're just telling you you are going to look like assholes when you do it.


By all means do it...open up all those freshly healed wounds of the Hilary supporters......all 19 million of them.

[whottt]

And keep talking about her lack of experience :lmao

[Nbadan]

...about the only similarities Hillary and Palin share is that neither swings left or right....but Whott thinks that enough for 19 million women....

[efrem1]

NbaDan:

From what I hear, this trooper was a sleaze bag. The democrats are the party of change? Please. Since 2006, the ethical Dems had Eliot Spitzer go down. The mayor of Detroit about to be run out of town. The Attorney General of Ohio going bye bye because of sexual harrasment issues. The Democratic leadership in Pennsylvania being entangled in bonusgate. And don't forget the esteemed state of Massachusetts where corruption is the name of the game.

Go back to bed NBAdan.

[Mr. Peabody]

If Hitler was alive would you hang out with him just because when he was doing all those awful things you hadn't been born yet?

Not comparing the dude to Hitler... just making a similar analogy.

If you're not comparing him to Hitler, your analogy makes no sense.

The simple fact is that William "Bill" Ayers is a highly-respected member of the community in Hyde Park and a Distinguished Professor of Education at the University of Illinois-Chicago.

Because of his credentials in the field of education, he's served in many civic organizations in Chicago. One of them was the Woods Fund of Chicago, a philanthropic organization devoted to poverty relief. The organization often has prominent people from the community (investment banks (USB), education, law firms, big oil (British Petroleum), etc.) serving on its 10 person board of directors. They meet quarterly (four times/year) to review and reward various grant applications for community projects.

It was in this context that Obama served with Bill Ayers on the board of directors from 1999 to 2002, when Obama left the organization.

Here is the current roster of the board of The Woods Fund

Laura S. Washington, Board Chair*
Ida B. Wells-Barnett University Professor and Fellow of the DePaul Humanities Center

Jesus G. Garcia, Vice Chair*
Executive Director, Little Village Community Development Corporation

William C. Ayers
Distinguished Professor of Education, University of Illinois at Chicago

Lee Bey
Director of Media and Governmental Affairs, Skidmore, Owings, & Merrill LLP

Doris Salomon Chagin
Category Manager - Ethnic Markets, BP Products North America

Beth E. Richie
Professor and Head of the Department of African American Studies, University of Illinois at Chicago

Patrick M. Sheahan
Executive Director, Public Affairs, UBS Investment Bank

Charles N. Wheatley,
President, Sahara Enterprises, Inc.
(Investment Holding Company)

Lucia Woods Lindley
Board Member Emeritus

Kristin Patton*
Secretary

[Mr. Body]

NbaDan:

From what I hear, this trooper was a sleaze bag.

It's not abuse of power? You like your officials to administer petty justice for personal reasons? Huh.

[efrem1]

Yeah, just like the leader of the California State Assembly for punishing a fellow democrat for not voting on a state budget; she ordered her office closed, had sargeant of arms staff boxed up all of her stuff and told her staff to move out of the State Capitol to a dinky office across the street. Mr. Body, you saw my post above, the Democrats are just as corrupt if not more than the GOP. Don't you and your buddies talk about pious change.

[Mr. Body]

Yeah, just like the leader of the California State Assembly for punishing a fellow democrat for not voting on a state budget; she ordered her office closed, had sargeant of arms staff boxed up all of her stuff and told her staff to move out of the State Capitol to a dinky office across the street. Mr. Body, you saw my post above, the Democrats are just as corrupt if not more than the GOP. Don't you and your buddies talk about pious change.

You're talking about idiots like Kwame Kilpatrick in Detroit - who gives a fuck? Seriously, who gives a flying fuck?

I'll talk about firing of state attorneys, about burning the identities of CIA agents to protect false intelligence for wars. I'll talk about forgeries and high court shenanigans.

WHO THE BRAINLESS FUCK ARE YOU TO CLAIM THE GOP IS NOT CORRUPT AFTER EIGHT YEARS OF THIS BULLSHIT?

Please. It's all you guys do. Lie, cheat, weasel, prettify your way into office, then fail to fund bridge maintenance and start illegal wars, destroy the dollar and explode the budget. It's so tiresome.

[JoeChalupa]

Let's get ready to rumble!!!!!

[SnakeBoy]

I'll talk about firing of state attorneys, about burning the identities of CIA agents to protect false intelligence for wars. I'll talk about forgeries and high court shenanigans.


I don't see any reason to bring up Bill Clinton.

[efrem1]

You're talking about idiots like Kwame Kilpatrick in Detroit - who gives a fuck? Seriously, who gives a flying fuck?

I'll talk about firing of state attorneys, about burning the identities of CIA agents to protect false intelligence for wars. I'll talk about forgeries and high court shenanigans.

WHO THE BRAINLESS FUCK ARE YOU TO CLAIM THE GOP IS NOT CORRUPT AFTER EIGHT YEARS OF THIS BULLSHIT?

Please. It's all you guys do. Lie, cheat, weasel, prettify your way into office, then fail to fund bridge maintenance and start illegal wars, destroy the dollar and explode the budget. It's so tiresome.

Oh like what CLinton did in Bosnia? I guess the term "illegal" varies from administration to administration. Clinton takes out Milosevic and he is a great guy. Bush takes out Hussein and he is interfering in internal affairs. The federal government apportions highway funds to the several states. It is up to the states to apportion those funds so don't blame Bush for the bridges. As for the GOP, yeah sure Stevens, Cunningham and Ney desrve to get run, but you Democrats have corruption in you house too.

AS for the budget, Bush gave in to the liberals and created a huge perscription drug benefit for Medicare, started the bureaucratic No Child Left Behind Act and gave the farmers all of those ethanol subsidies. I never liked Nixon either, he kept up LBJ's programs and expanded them as well.
Tell me how is Mr. Obama going to provide universal health care? I saw what the NHS did in Britian and it is a joke not to mention the filithiness of their hospitals. As my friend said, if you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it is free.

[whottt]

...about the only similarities Hillary and Palin share is that neither swings left or right....but Whott thinks that enough for 19 million women....

And that you and boutons hate them...and they know it. You've made it clear...killer.

[Wild Cobra]

It's not abuse of power? You like your officials to administer petty justice for personal reasons? Huh.

I read where Palin has no worries about the situation. As soon as this became an issue some time back, she approved an investigation. I do trust from all I read that the fired man is just out to get her, and this will be proved in her favor.

[Buddy Holly]

Surely you knew this coming. :lol From what I've read that State Trooper was a real a-hole so I don't see this hurting her at all.

Since when did being an a-hole because a legit reason to fire someone?

:lol

[Mr. Body]

Since when did being an a-hole because a legit reason to fire someone?

:lol

IOKIYAR

[spurster]

Probably similar to Hillary, we'll see all sorts of things to appeal to our stereotypes of women. In this case, it's the vindictive woman stereotype.

[T Park]

You're talking about idiots like Kwame Kilpatrick in Detroit - who gives a fuck? Seriously, who gives a flying fuck?

I'll talk about firing of state attorneys, about burning the identities of CIA agents to protect false intelligence for wars. I'll talk about forgeries and high court shenanigans.

WHO THE BRAINLESS FUCK ARE YOU TO CLAIM THE GOP IS NOT CORRUPT AFTER EIGHT YEARS OF THIS BULLSHIT?

Please. It's all you guys do. Lie, cheat, weasel, prettify your way into office, then fail to fund bridge maintenance and start illegal wars, destroy the dollar and explode the budget. It's so tiresome.



Whos the party that made famous the saying

"Vote early, Vote often?"


Masticate on that and then answer.

[Wild Cobra]

I'll talk about firing of state attorneys, about burning the identities of CIA agents to protect false intelligence for wars. I'll talk about forgeries and high court shenanigans.

Wow. What evidence do you have? Maybe you should have testified during the investigations! What do you know that wasn't brought into evidence?



WHO THE BRAINLESS FUCK ARE YOU TO CLAIM THE GOP IS NOT CORRUPT AFTER EIGHT YEARS OF THIS BULLSHIT?

Well, all I've seen are unfounded allegations of corruption at the executive level. Sure some republicans are corrupt. Allegations are not proof, yet you libtards buy the propaganda hook, line, and sinker!



Please. It's all you guys do. Lie, cheat, weasel, prettify your way into office, then fail to fund bridge maintenance and start illegal wars, destroy the dollar and explode the budget. It's so tiresome.

That's right. The democrat controlled congress failed to fund the bridge!

[Mr. Body]

The Bush administration is one of the most corrupt this nation has ever seen. Leave aside their incompetence, their corruption was amazing. If it wasn't kick-backs to contractors, it was lying to get us into war.

[Wild Cobra]

The Bush administration is one of the most corrupt this nation has ever seen. Leave aside their incompetence, their corruption was amazing. If it wasn't kick-backs to contractors, it was lying to get us into war.
Repeating the dogma of the rediculous left over and over isn't going to convince anyone of intelligence who have searched for facts.

Have any facts, or just propaganda?

[Mr. Body]

Repeating the dogma of the rediculous left over and over isn't going to convince anyone of intelligence who have searched for facts.

Have any facts, or just propaganda?

Dude, read a newspaper. I can't help you if you're wilfully lazy.

[xrayzebra]

Repeating the dogma of the rediculous left over and over isn't going to convince anyone of intelligence who have searched for facts.

Have any facts, or just propaganda?

Yep old body comes into a conversation about 7.8 years late and thinks he is saying something original. Damn where was he on the 9/11 thruthers.
I'll bet he knows where all the bodies are buired.:lmao

[Wild Cobra]

Dude, read a newspaper. I can't help you if you're wilfully lazy.
Oh, I see...

If it's on the TV, Radio, or Newspaper, it must be fact.

OK.

Say, I have a bridge for sale. Interested? I'll bet you don't verify that claim either... that is if I put it in the classified...

[xrayzebra]

Oh, I see...

If it's on the TV, Radio, or Newspaper, it must be fact.

OK.

Say, I have a bridge for sale. Interested? I'll bet you don't verify that claim either... that is if I put it in the classified...

If he buys yours tell him I have one in Laredo that takes in some good tolls, but I need to unload. I will run an ad if it helps.:lol

[Mr. Body]

Sorry... I don't feel things 'in my gut'. I don't believe it's 'true' because it shines down on me in rays from the moon.

[Wild Cobra]

Sorry... I don't feel things 'in my gut'. I don't believe it's 'true' because it shines down on me in rays from the moon.

Whatever.

It's been thoroughly debated in months past. I'm not going to continue on it except this:

You repeat the same inaccuracy being propagated in the media again.... EIGHT YEARS! Here I though it was just over seven and a half.

If you cannot be accurate, then you should shut you trap. Stupid enough to repeat exaggerations, then stupid enough not to understand the propagandizing nature.

[PixelPusher]

Oh, I see...

If it's on the TV, Radio, or Newspaper, it must be fact.

OK.

Say, I have a bridge for sale. Interested? I'll bet you don't verify that claim either... that is if I put it in the classified...

:lol says the guy who's constantly citing right-wing radio hacks like Limbaugh, Savage, Hewitt, Boortz...

[Mr. Body]

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[xrayzebra]

Sorry... I don't feel things 'in my gut'. I don't believe it's 'true' because it shines down on me in rays from the moon.

But obviously you do. You support The Messiah. Who derives his power
from rays above. Hope and change, along with a little neighborhood organizing along the way.

I have a question for you Mr. Body. Why do neighborhoods need organizing? Were they un-organized before The Messiah came along?
And are they now un-organized again since he left the hood?
Dan you and boutons are free to explain this to me, if you like.

[JoeChalupa]

It cracks me up the way republicans joke about the messiah when they've been supporting their own "King" for the past 7 1/2 years. :lmao
Give me a break.

[Mr. Body]

But obviously you do. You support The Messiah. Who derives his power
from rays above. Hope and change, along with a little neighborhood organizing along the way.

I have a question for you Mr. Body. Why do neighborhoods need organizing? Were they un-organized before The Messiah came along?
And are they now un-organized again since he left the hood?
Dan you and boutons are free to explain this to me, if you like.

Nobody thinks Obama is the Messiah. That's a right-wing talking point.

As usual you guys focus on your own failures - and here you reflect your adoration of ZombieReagan and the incredible, almost sexual devotion you had for George W. Bush.

[2Blonde]

It makes sense that some background things would only come out after the nomination. Since the McCain camp was so intent on keeping this off the grid until the announcement, they couldn't exactly ask too many questions of too many people without word leaking early. Only time will tell which rumors are true and which aren't. Secrets live in shadows and dark corners and only come out when exposed to bright lights.

[Mr. Peabody]

I have a question for you Mr. Body. Why do neighborhoods need organizing? Were they un-organized before The Messiah came along?
And are they now un-organized again since he left the hood?
Dan you and boutons are free to explain this to me, if you like.

I'm not Mr. Body, but let's not let a little "Pea" stand in the way. The idea behind community organizing is that certain segments of the population get drowned out or underrepresented during discussions and decision-making by civic or state leaders. The purpose of community organizing is to pull the resources of the community together and provide a representative voice in discussions that affect that particular community.

For example, during Obama's time as community organizer, the City of Chicago was hiring companies to inspect and remove asbestos from vacant commercial property in an attempt to at revitalization, but hadn't checked the surrounding low-income apartment buildings to see whether they had a problem with asbestos as well. Obama organized a campaign that eventually got the city to inspect the apartment buildings and remove the asbestos they contained.

[Mr. Body]

I'm not Mr. Body, but let's not let a little "Pea" stand in the way. The idea behind community organizing is that certain segments of the population get drowned out or underrepresented during discussions and decision-making by civic or state leaders. The purpose of community organizing is to pull the resources of the community together and provide a representative voice in discussions that affect that particular community.

For example, during Obama's time as community organizer, the City of Chicago was hiring companies to inspect and remove asbestos from vacant commercial property in an attempt to at revitalization, but hadn't checked the surrounding low-income apartment buildings to see whether they had a problem with asbestos as well. Obama organized a campaign that eventually got the city to inspect the apartment buildings and remove the asbestos they contained.

He's a communist! Those people should have magically known about the program, found the building with the board room, and individually went in and offered information! That's, like, how something works!1!!

He's also the Messaih because people like him and he says the problems of this country will take far more than just him to solve! That's crazy talk! Regean!! Regean! Bush who? Reeagn is th ebest oh my god I just came in my pants!

[JoeChalupa]

Communist? :lmao I stopped reading right there. :lmao You need to stop reading all those e-mails.

[Mr. Body]

Communist? :lmao I stopped reading right there. :lmao You need to stop reading all those e-mails.

That was parody.

[SnakeBoy]

Why do neighborhoods need organizing? Were they un-organized before The Messiah came along?


See you just haven't opened your mind to the accomplishments of the chosen one. I just saw the "Obama Revealed" biography on CNN last night. I bet you didn't know that the city of Chicago was going to remove asbestos from managment offices of some projects but the Messiah in all his wisdom stood up and said "Hey there is asbestos in the apartments too! The city should also remove that!". Only a few years later, the asbestos was removed. No one on the planet except for the great messiah could have pulled that off. It is clearly change we can believe in.

[Mr. Peabody]

Communist? :lmao I stopped reading right there. :lmao You need to stop reading all those e-mails.

Joe, if you've read the rest of Mr. Body's posts, you know his views on these issues.

We need more blue around here....

[PixelPusher]

See you just haven't opened your mind to the accomplishments of the chosen one. I just saw the "Obama Revealed" biography on CNN last night. I bet you didn't know that the city of Chicago was going to remove asbestos from managment offices of some projects but the Messiah in all his wisdom stood up and said "Hey there is asbestos in the apartments too! The city should also remove that!". Only a few years later, the asbestos was removed. No one on the planet except for the great messiah could have pulled that off. It is clearly change we can believe in.

True, lots of people could have "pulled it off". The catch is, lots of people didn't give a shit, so they wouldn't have volunteered their time and effort to do so.

[xrayzebra]

True, lots of people could have "pulled it off". The catch is, lots of people didn't give a shit, so they wouldn't have volunteered their time and effort to do so.

But the question really is: Was the asbestos removed by one of Rezko's companies? An inquiring mind wants to know. Or was it one of Daly's bunch.

[ChumpDumper]

But the question really is: Was the asbestos removed by one of Rezko's companies? An inquiring mind wants to know. Or was it one of Daly's bunch.You don't really want to know. You prefer the innuendo.

[Mr. Body]

All this love for Palin just shows how much the Right hates their candidate, John McCain, and wants someone else.

[xrayzebra]

You don't really want to know. You prefer the innuendo.


Of course I am being sarcastic. But it would be interesting to know, wouldn't it.

[QUOTE]Mr. Body
..
All this love for Palin just shows how much the Right hates their candidate, John McCain, and wants someone else. [/UNQUOTE]

You have a really, really funny way of reasoning. Really strange.:wow

[ChumpDumper]

Of course I am being sarcastic. But it would be interesting to know, wouldn't it.If it was a government contract, I'm sure the information is readily available.

[xrayzebra]

If it was a government contract, I'm sure the information is readily available.

In Chicago...............:lmao

[Mr. Body]

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u189/chucklesmcnoodle/2813642976_035e94e851_o.jpg

It's officially from the campaign because it has the logo.

[ChumpDumper]

In Chicago...............:lmaoSo what?

Once again, you don't really care.

[xrayzebra]

So what?

Once again, you don't really care.

Oh, Chump. Have I hurt your feelings. I'm sorry.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh, Chump. Have I hurt your feelings. I'm sorry.You haven't and wouldn't be sorry about it either.

[xrayzebra]

You haven't and wouldn't be sorry about it either.

That's true. And I knew I hadn't, but hell the day wouldn't be complete without a little fuss with you.....:lol:toast

Going to see how the Hurricane is doing. I am starting a rumor that Obama is out in the gulf doing his Messiah thing to save New Orleans.
He didn't need a boat. He walked out there. But Rev. Wright is having a little trouble treading water. Some Catholic priest keeps pulling him under.:lol

[Mr. Peabody]

I am starting a rumor that Obama is out in the gulf doing his Messiah thing to save New Orleans.


Reality imitating satire


McCain flew down to Mississippi with his running mate Sarah Palin on Sunday to check on preparations for the deadly storm, and said he would use the convention to marshall support for likely victims of the hurricane.

"We must redirect our efforts from the really celebratory event of the nomination of president and vice president of our party to acting as all Americans," he said after touring Mississippi's emergency operations center.

Evidently, the McCain campaign is using Gustav as a training ground for Palin.

[SnakeBoy]

True, lots of people could have "pulled it off". The catch is, lots of people didn't give a shit, so they wouldn't have volunteered their time and effort to do so.

The nice thing about google is it's so easy to find out if anybody else gave a shit.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-obamaorganize19-2007feb19,0,6545664.story




Obama's Altgeld Gardens account also omits the work of Johnson.

She was already widely known for her pioneering work in pushing officials to investigate environmental hazards at local industrial sites. Spurred by her husband's premature death from lung cancer, Johnson had begun documenting the health complaints of Altgeld residents in the late 1970s. Johnson formed a group called People for Community Recovery and tried to cajole scientists to study possible links between the ailments that residents reported to her and the harmful substances around their community.

One of those scientists, Regnal Jones, visited Johnson in the early 1980s and recalls sitting in her kitchen as she laid out hundreds of index cards listing the illnesses throughout Altgeld. He said he was "blown away" by Johnson's survey.

During that visit, Jones said, he inspected Johnson's apartment and concluded that her heating pipes were insulated with asbestos.

From that point on, Johnson says, she included asbestos in her complaints to government officials.

As Obama became involved in the asbestos issue, Johnson was among those who worked with him.

[PixelPusher]

The nice thing about google is it's so easy to find out if anybody else gave a shit.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-obamaorganize19-2007feb19,0,6545664.story

One more person does not equal "lots of people". The point is if "lots of people" gave a shit, there wouldn't be a need for organizers and volunteers to begin with.

[Wild Cobra]

Nobody thinks Obama is the Messiah. That's a right-wing talking point.

We use such terms because of his lack of specific message, yet he is a magnet.

CHANGE!

No specifics, just the same promises to be broken that demonrats always make, yet people flock around him as if he was the living Christ!



As usual you guys focus on your own failures - and here you reflect your adoration of ZombieReagan and the incredible, almost sexual devotion you had for George W. Bush.
LOL...

There are real reasons to like president Reagan. Not so many for president Bush. President Bush isn't trated like a diety at all.

Are you an Obambie?