Sarah Palin Is NOT The Mother of Trig, but rather his Grandmother

[Sense]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137


it's pretty long......... but I believe it..


She tells the world that she's the mother of Trig, but lies in doing so.... Trig is apparently the kid of her 17 year old daughter...

[whottt]

Maybe...or maybe not. Some of those photos she does look kind of pregnant in and others she really doesn't. She actually looks like she could be pregnant in that video...why don't they have any of her beyond 7 months?

It's not like she stopped making appearances.


But just say she did...what would a pro-lifer do if their underage child got pregnant....have the baby aborted?

They'd never do that.

They'd do something like rasing the child as their own instead of having the baby aborted so their daughter could still have a normal life....it's an alternative to abortion, and there are families that do it. And if you announce you are doing it you kind of undermine giving your daughter a chance to have a normal life.


Even if she did do it she's just going to use it as an example of an alternative to abortion, it's not going to make her look like a hypocrite. Her daughter having an abortion would have. It won't alienate the pro-lifers and it's going to piss a lot of people off that the KOS went after her daughter and baby.

[scott]

Here is a another progressive alternative to abortion: the mother takes responsibility for her actions, has the baby, and raises it as her own without the need to hide it from anyone.

[greywheel]

If this was true I don't see how the secret could be kept. I have a seventeen year old daughter and one thing they do is talk more to their friends than they do their parents. Plus you would have some boy demanding a paternity test. Unless the father comes from the same type of uptight family.

[exstatic]

Maybe...or maybe not. Some of those photos she does look kind of pregnant in and others she really doesn't. She actually looks like she could be pregnant in that video...why don't they have any of her beyond 7 months?

It's not like she stopped making appearances.


But just say she did...what would a pro-lifer do if their underage child got pregnant....have the baby aborted?

They'd never do that.

They'd do something like rasing the child as their own instead of having the baby aborted so their daughter could still have a normal life....it's an alternative to abortion, and there are families that do it. And if you announce you are doing it you kind of undermine giving your daughter a chance to have a normal life.


Even if she did do it she's just going to use it as an example of an alternative to abortion, it's not going to make her look like a hypocrite. Her daughter having an abortion would have. It won't alienate the pro-lifers and it's going to piss a lot of people off that the KOS went after her daughter and baby.

"Went after" implies an attack or made up shit. It seems the only thing KOS "went after" was the truth.

If she did this, McCain should drop her tomorrow for lack of judgment. I'm sure they asked her if she had anything that would come back on them. I'd say a lie of this size qualifies. It makes his campaign look like they don't know how to properly vet a VP candidate.

[Kori Ellis]

I'm not sure whether I believe it or not. Despite the stats in the article, it's much more likely for a woman over 40 to have a Down's Syndrome baby than a teenager girl. Plus, she does looking a little thicker in some of the pictures than she was earlier. I've read that the daughter didn't really miss that much time from school as this article indicates .. that she only missed a month or two for mono.

Who knows at this point, but it's interesting.

[Kori Ellis]

From the March of Dimes:


The risk of Down syndrome increases from about 1 in 1,250 at age 25, to 1 in 1,000 at age 30, 1 in 400 at age 35, 1 in 100 at age 40 and 1 in 30 at age 45.

Obviously not impossible that her daughter had the baby, but stats lean the other way.

[exstatic]

She's showed horrible judgment, either way. The cover up would be bad. Flying around at 8 months leaking amniotic fluid could possibly be worse for someone construed as pro-life.

[DynastyBuilder]

And the following photograph was printed in the Anchorage Daily News, on March 9th: (http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/v-gallery/story/339587.html?/news/alaska/v-enlarge/story/339587-a339583-t3.html)
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/1113/6873504039standaloneprokr3.jpg
However the date the picture was taken was in '06.

http://www.adn.com/photos/v-gallery/story/509850.html?/1521/gallery/509852-a509987-t3.html


Sarah Palin at home with her family in Wasilla, Alaska in 2006. From left is Piper, 5, husband Todd, Willow, 12, and at right is Bristol, 16. Not pictured is Palin's son Track, 17. Trig Palin was born in 2008.

[xrayzebra]

What difference does it make one way or the other. If it is her daughters
child and she and her husband adopts it. Then it is her child, she will raise it as her child.

Besides using the dimm-o-crap standard this should only be a resume enhancement. You know like Edwards going up on his speaking fees since he got caught. Dimms should support her, don't you think.

And DailKos is not what you would call an unbiased pub.

[DynastyBuilder]

And DailKos is not what you would call an unbiased pub.

+1

[ChumpDumper]

What difference does it make one way or the other.Because it makes her a liar.
And DailKos is not what you would call an unbiased pub.Agreed. Just going by the stats Kori mentioned, it seems unlikely -- just slightly more likely than Obama's being a Muslim sleeper agent.

[Mr. Body]

More troubling is the names of her kids. Track? Trig? Bristol? That shows terrible judgment. Terrible.

[Nbadan]

Seen these rumors and I'm not buying it............yet...........

http://alaskareport.com/images31/palin_pregnant.jpg

[Mr. Body]

The real story is she jumped on the plane and ran around instead of hitting the hospital. What the hell?

[xrayzebra]

Because it makes her a liar.

Not in the true sense of the word. It makes her a Mother of her Daughter, who she wants to protect.

The thing I really don't understand in all of this, hospitals have to keep records which are public. You know like Births/Deaths. And births have to be recorded. Maternity wards have upteen people working in them. Now I find it hard to believe that she could go in a hospital, not have a child, but her daughter did, and how many people would be aware of it. And hospital records would have to be altered, doctors records altered, how many records would have to altered/falsified? Too many places this little plan could go wrong and too many records exist to prove her Daughter is the true mother. And the source of this story doesn't cite any of these records, does it?

[Mr. Body]

Not in the true sense of the word. It makes her a Mother of her Daughter, who she wants to protect.

The thing I really don't understand in all of this, hospitals have to keep records which are public. You know like Births/Deaths. And births have to be recorded. Maternity wards have upteen people working in them. Now I find it hard to believe that she could go in a hospital, not have a child, but her daughter did, and how many people would be aware of it. And hospital records would have to be altered, doctors records altered, how many records would have to altered/falsified? Too many places this little plan could go wrong and too many records exist to prove her Daughter is the true mother. And the source of this story doesn't cite any of these records, does it?

It's all conjecture. Very leading circumstantial evidence -- I mean, if she had to run to where her daughter was prematurely having a baby, getting on the next flight post-haste and driving out to an obscure hospital once in Alaska instead of the larger, more obvious ones nearby, this is how she'd do it.

And it's lying and deeply dishonest if she were masking her child's pregnancy. Not to mention will screw them all up at some point psychologically.

But I'm not buying it.

It's hers. And she put her baby and herself in threat by jumping on the plane.

[ChumpDumper]

Not in the true sense of the word.Yes in the true sense of the word.

If she tells a lie, it makes her a liar. I don't even think this is true, but your making morally relativist excuses for her in advance is quite entertaining.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

It's hers. One of my friends said the smear campaign by the left against Palin would be ridiculous. It appears they've upped the ante early.

[PixelPusher]

It's hers. One of my friends said the smear campaign by the left against Palin would be ridiculous. It appears they've upped the ante early.

When someone photoshops her in muslim garb and claims she's not really an American because like Hawaii, Alaska isn't part of the "real" America, then it'll be on par with the ridiculousness of the '08 campaign so far.

[Anti.Hero]

lol politics are brutal.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

When someone photoshops her in muslim garb and claims she's not really an American because like Hawaii, Alaska isn't part of the "real" America, then it'll be on par with the ridiculousness of the '08 campaign so far.

Come on, how many photoshops of W. have boutons and Dan graced us with?

The Muslim headress stuff is stupid. I have a bigger problem with Obama being unapologetic about his relationship with people like Ayers than any of that stupid shit.

[Mr. Body]

The GOP is unrivalled in smear campaigns. McCain knows that. He got killed by it in 2000 when Rove started a whisper campaign about his black baby knowing it would kill him with the racists making up the party.

The girl who was adopted. Bridget.

Who, curiously enough, you never see in pictures anymore.

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2008/news/080908/sarah_palin4400.jpg

http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/NA-AQ120_Cindyp_20080416200201.jpg

She's disappeared off the face of the earth. Wonder how that feels, to be asked to stay away.

[Wild Cobra]

Liberal Retards strike again, repeating propaganda without verifying...

You should be ashamed of yourself!

Look at this starting just before the 2 minute mark:

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[Mr. Peabody]

This is a ridiculous accusation. It seems that some people have been watching too much Desperate Housewives. Plus, wft does it matter? If she did do anything, she did it to protect her daughter. How can you fault her for that?

This reminds me of the idiotic "Obama is not a citizen" smear.

There are more things to worry about with Palin than the possibility that she covered up her daughter's pregnancy. Things like that fact that she is completely unqualified to be on a presidential ticket, doesn't have any interest in national security or foreign policy, and has extreme positions on social issues.

[Mr. Body]

There are more things to worry about with Palin than the possibility that she covered up her daughter's pregnancy. Things like that fact that she is completely unqualified to be on a presidential ticket, doesn't have any interest in national security or foreign policy, and has extreme positions on social issues.

Agree. It was raised on DailyKos (a community blog) but was immediately shouted down as idle conjecture.

On her merits, she is lightweight. On the merits of the pick, McCain has a lot to answer for.

[whottt]

Here is a another progressive alternative to abortion: the mother takes responsibility for her actions, has the baby, and raises it as her own without the need to hide it from anyone.

She's 16 years old, not necessarily ready for motherhood, or an abortion. I would view this completely as a personal matter and one that doesn't contradict any of her political stances but actually confirms them.


You'd be surprised how many were raised by their grandparents thinking they were their parents..


Jack Nicholson for 1.


It's no different then adopting and not telling the child they were adopted until later in life which many people do.



I'm not saying it's what I would do personally, but I hear and see it done often enough to where it doesn't freak me out.


And it's about the daughter and babies rights.


Abortion can be extremely traumatic for some women...I don't think it's the sort of thing you put a 16 year old through, nor is motherhood if they aren't ready for it.

[Mr. Body]

Nicholson has said he was screwed up because of his family life.

[shelshor]

What day is Alex Jones putting this one on right after yet another "proof" that the World Trade Center was brought down by explosives?

[whottt]

Nicholson has said he was screwed up because of his family life.

I guess being raised by your grandparents could fuck you up considerably....



Hmmm...

[JoeChalupa]

I think this is nothing and pure BS. I don't read thedailykos ever but this kind or crap does tend to stick to those who are gullible enough. Just like the BS put out by right-wing nuts about Obama that is 100% false and yet there are still people out there who believe it.
This is nonsense.

[Mr. Peabody]

She's 16 years old, not necessarily ready for motherhood, or an abortion. I would view this completely as a personal matter and one that doesn't contradict any of her political stances but actually confirms them.


Look, I don't believe the story is true. And even if it is, who cares? I don't. However, I don't agree with the assertion that such wouldn't raise some questions about her political stances.

If she's concocted a story to hide the fact that her daughter is pregnant, what does that say about her views on teenage pregnancy? For someone who is as staunchly pro-life as she is, it appears that she thinks that a teenage pregnancy is something so shameful that it needs to be hidden from society and yet, she strongly opposes abortion. In other words, the teenage mother should have the child, but the pregnancy is something that should be covered up.

A better course of action would have been to say, "My daughter is pregnant. It was unintended, but we're are happy to have another member in the family and we will help her in raising the child."

I just think secrecy and hiding in these situations reinforces the notion that teenage pregnancy is such a shameful act, an act so embarrassing it cannot be revealed. This is a notion that, in large part, drives young women to want abortions in the first place. It's also a large burden to lay on a young women to shame her for being pregnant, all the while, shame her into keeping the baby.

It also reinforces my opinion that many people in the "pro-life" movement are not "pro-life" but rather "pro-birth." They really could care less about the consequences of pregnancy, birth, or having a child, so long as the child is born.

But as far as this story goes and any conclusion about Palin that I derive from it, it's bullshit. It's not true. Plus, I read somewhere that Palin was still nursing only a few weeks ago. Can't do that without having a child first.

[whottt]

Look, I don't believe the story is true. And even if it is, who cares? I don't. However, I don't agree with the assertion that such wouldn't raise some questions about her political stances.

If she's concocted a story to hide the fact that her daughter is pregnant, what does that say about her views on teenage pregnancy? For someone who is as staunchly pro-life as she is, it appears that she thinks that a teenage pregnancy is something so shameful that it needs to be hidden from society and yet, she strongly opposes abortion. In other words, the teenage mother should have the child, but the pregnancy is something that should be covered up.

It could mean that their daughter is not ready for motherhood....and they want to be able to go to school and hang out with her friends, without a responsibility she isn't ready for yet.


If you want to make this into a teen pregnancy issue I am willing to do so....


I don't know where we'd get with it though, it'd just prove the pro-lifers get faced with the same problems as pro-choicers....and handle it a different way.









A better course of action would have been to say, "My daughter is pregnant. It was unintended, but we're are happy to have another member in the family and we will help her in raising the child."

I agree with that....that would be the best way of doing it. However raising the child as their own isn't the horrible option you make it out to be. Nor would allowing their daughter to grow up without the responsibilities of motherhood.




I just think secrecy and hiding in these situations reinforces the notion that teenage pregnancy is such a shameful act, an act so embarrassing it cannot be revealed. This is a notion that, in large part, drives young women to want abortions in the first place. It's also a large burden to lay on a young women to shame her for being pregnant, all the while, shame her into keeping the baby.

It also reinforces my opinion that many people in the "pro-life" movement are not "pro-life" but rather "pro-birth." They really could care less about the consequences of pregnancy, birth, or having a child, so long as the child is born.

That kind of an ignorant conclusion to draw based on the evidence at hand and the argument we are having.






But as far as this story goes, it's bullshit. Plus, I read somewhere that Palin was still nursing only a few weeks ago. Can't do that without having a child first.


Think what you wish...just do me a favor, go ask Jack Nicholson if he thinks he'd be less screwed up right now if his mother had aborted him.

[whottt]

BTW, you are not going to get much mileage out of me on this because I am a pro choice person..


Guess what, even though I am pro choice...I still like her better than anyone else in this election based on what I know...

[JoeChalupa]

I like her but I won't vote for her.

[whottt]

Well all I want Mr.Peabody(and anyone else) is prove to me that taking the child as their own is worse than having it aborted...

Because the whole implied scandal behind this is based on her abortion stance...

You know...the whole backwards religious pro-lifers thing...


So just prove to me that "lying" and saying the child is hers, and raising it as her own, is worse than her 16 year old daughter getting an abortion...


It's not...

[ChumpDumper]

Of course it's not, but lying about it is worse than telling the truth about it. That's the only real issue to me that would ever come out of any of this. Ultimately, I don't know how much of an issue it would be to me since the regular personal scandals of politicians aren't that big a deal to me.

[Mr. Peabody]

That kind of an ignorant conclusion to draw based on the evidence at hand and the argument we are having.



I admitted that there was "no evidence" of this incident occurring and therefore, any conclusions I drew from the alleged incident were BS. I said that in my final paragraph.

I do stand by my assertion that many pro-lifers are really just pro-birthers and could give a shit about the consequences of pregnancy outside the issue of the decision regarding whether to keep the baby.

A comprehensive review of abortion and child welfare policies in all 50 states found that states with the most restrictive abortion laws spend the least on education, on facilitating adoption and on nurturing poor children. The study's author, Jean Reith Schroedel, concludes that states with "pro-life" abortion laws "are consistent in according lower political, social and economic status to women" and "less likely than pro-choice states to provide adequate care to poor and needy children."

[Mr. Peabody]

Well all I want Mr.Peabody(and anyone else) is prove to me that taking the child as their own is worse than having it aborted...


Why should I prove that to you? I never said nor implied that. I am pro-choice, but I am against abortion. I am steadfast in my opposition to people using abortion as a means of birth control.

My point was, and it's something that I constantly argue, the problem with the pro-life movement is that it appears to ignore the realities and consequences of having a child. For example, I think the pro-life movement would benefit from putting forth more ideas of assistance to young mothers in the form of daycare, job training, etc. I think many young women get abortions because they feel they don't have the support (financial, emotional, education, etc.) in place to help them raise a child. If we can address those issues, I think the incidences of abortion will decrease.

The other point was that I don't think that ostracizing teenage mothers or shaming them is a way to encourage young women to keep their children. By hiding a pregnancy or lying about it, it reinforces the notion that pregnancy is a shameful condition.

It's an interesting debate though and truth be told, I don't think our views are all that different.

[whottt]

I admitted that there was "no evidence" of this incident occurring and therefore, any conclusions I drew from the alleged incident were BS. I said that in my final paragraph.

I do stand by my assertion that many pro-lifers are really just pro-birthers and could give a shit about the consequences of pregnancy outside the issue of the decision regarding whether to keep the baby.



And yet here's a woman from one of those states that just got the VP nomination...


While the former first lady and Senator from one of the most liberal states in the Union. who incidentally got a shitload of votes, can't get a similar nomination in her own liberal party...


What point are you trying to make?


You guys royally fucked up by not giving Hillary the nomination...don't blame the Republicans for it.

I like Hillary a hell of a lot better than Joe Biden...any day of the week.

[Mr. Peabody]

And yet here's a woman from one of those states that just got the VP nomination...


While the former first lady and Senator from one of the most liberal states in the Union. who incidentally got a shitload of votes, can't get a similar nomination in her own liberal party...


What point are you trying to make?


You guys royally fucked up by not giving Hillary the nomination...don't blame the Republicans for it.

I like Hillary a hell of a lot better than Joe Biden...any day of the week.

Wow, that's a total non sequitur!

Palin got the nomination, in large part, for two reasons:
1. She has a vagina
2. She is an ultra-conservative on social issues (creationism, no abortion in cases of rape/incest, global warming denialist, etc.)

Why is it a surprise that she would get the nomination from the Republican Party? Those positions are entirely in line with the social conservative platform.

The only surprise in her nomination is that McCain would choose her after making "experience" the key part of his opposition to Obama.

[Mr. Body]

The only surprise in her nomination is that McCain would choose her after making "experience" the key part of his opposition to Obama.

That's the big thing. The VP pick changed their campaign narrative in an instant. Hard to re-brand as late as this.

[whottt]

Why should I prove that to you? I never said nor implied that. I am pro-choice, but I am against abortion. I am steadfast in my opposition to people using abortion as a means of birth control.

My point was, and it's something that I constantly argue, the problem with the pro-life movement is that it appears to ignore the realities and consequences of having a child. For example, I think the pro-life movement would benefit from putting forth more ideas of assistance to young mothers in the form of daycare, job training, etc. I think many young women get abortions because they feel they don't have the support (financial, emotional, education, etc.) in place to help them raise a child. If we can address those issues, I think the incidences of abortion will decrease.

The other point was that I don't think that ostracizing teenage mothers or shaming them is a way to encourage young women to keep their children. By hiding a pregnancy or lying about it, it reinforces the notion that pregnancy is a shameful condition.

It's an interesting debate though and truth be told, I don't think our views are all that different.




You make some great points...however if the child isn't ready for it, and still wants to be a child, I see absolutely no problem with the parents saying they are the parents of the grandchild...

Can it lead to some fucked up stuff later on in life? Yeah....but in general terms not as much for the child as aborting it would....assuming the grandparents are loving a good parents...and they are unquestionably more experienced.


Sometimes kids aren't ready to be placed in adult situations, regardless of how things "should be", and on an issue such as this...I have no problems if the parents "lie" and say the baby is their own. The baby doesn't get aborted, the teen or child resumes her teenage and childhood years.




FWIW, I agree with you that the Pro-Lifers(wanting to impose that belief on everyone) are unrealistic...but that issue, has nothing to do with this, and literally means jack shit to me, becuase I know it won't be overturned.


Dude...I am a guy that personally believes there are way too many people having kids and becoming parents that don't need to be having kids and becoming parents. I think in some cases, many children would have been better off aborted...and some people should be forced to take a test before being allowed to have children...



However that doesn't mean it's always true...and in general the grandparents becoming the parents thing,(whether the child knows it or not) turns out well for the child.

[whottt]

That's the big thing. The VP pick changed their campaign narrative in an instant. Hard to re-brand as late as this.


I don't think so...Obama's still the least experienced of anyone in this campaighn, and he won't be a heartbeat away from becoming President...he'll be the President.


Why are you guys attempting to equate the Democratic Presidential Nominee with the Republican Vice Presidential Nominee? Can you not see the difference?

[Mr. Peabody]

You make some great points...however if the child isn't ready for it, and still wants to be a child, I see absolutely no problem with the parents saying they are the parents of the grandchild...


I don't see a problem with it either, other than the connotation it creates, and agree that it's a much better option than abortion.

[Mr. Peabody]

Why are you guys attempting to equate the Democratic Presidential Nominee with the Republican Vice Presidential Nominee? Can you not see the difference?

I'm not equating them. I don't think they're comparable. The McCain campaign started comparing them both as a defense to Palin and as an attack on Obama. The only times I've compared them on this board is when others have said she is more qualified than Obama. I disagree with that notion, but do agree that his actual opponent is McCain.

[Mr. Peabody]

I don't think so...Obama's still the least experienced of anyone in this campaighn, and he won't be a heartbeat away from becoming President...he'll be the President.


Really?

From another thread

Let's go through their experience and compare.

Undergraduate Education
Obama - B.A. Political Science (specializing in international relations) Columbia University

Palin - B.A. Journalism University of Idaho

Post-Graduate Education
Obama - J.D. Harvard Law School, magna cum laude

Palin - none

Jobs Prior to Political Career
Obama - Community Organizer, Civil Rights Attorney, Professor of Constitutional Law -University of Chicago

Palin - TV Sports Reporter, Fisherman

Other Notable Non-Political Achievement
Obama - First Black Editor-in-Chief, Harvard Law Review

Palin - 2nd Place, Alaska Beauty Pageant, PG High School Basketball Team

Initial Political Office
Obama - Illinois State Senate 1997-2004

Palin - PTA, Wasilla City Council 1992-1996 (part-time), Wasilla Mayor 1997-2002

Current Political Office
Obama - United States Senator 2004-present

Palin - Governor of Alaska 2007-present

[whottt]

Wow, that's a total non sequitur!

Palin got the nomination, in large part, for two reasons:
1. She has a vagina

How classy of you...:lmao

Keep doing it...



2. She is an ultra-conservative on social issues (creationism, no abortion in cases of rape/incest, global warming denialist, etc.)



Why is it a surprise that she would get the nomination from the Republican Party? Those positions are entirely in line with the social conservative platform.


No shit...but guess what, she'll still have appeal to non-idiots that don't vote entirely by party loyalty....undecided non-idiots....the ones that usually swing the vote to one party or the other.

Sometimes likeability is all you have to go on...just ask Barrack.








The only surprise in her nomination is that McCain would choose her after making "experience" the key part of his opposition to Obama.

She seems more experienced to me, Alaska is basically it's own country...plus I generally don't like lawyers. Especially Democrat Lawyers...

I worked for one for a long time, and I got to know many of them...and I have my reasons for having the opinion I do. Main one being...complete and total corruption, deciet, childishness and narcissim on a scale you could not imagine.




That said...I haven't made up my mind yet.




I cannot adequately explain to you guys how much I dislike the pick of Joe Biden as VP....I'd vote for him over Kennedy or Kerry(and only because he's not a total idiot on the Iraq War) ...and that's about it.


Seriously...Hillary was a better choice than Biden.


No one likes this guy...especially not moderate white males.


Obama is not in touch with non-selfhating white males...he just doesn't get it.

[Mr. Peabody]

I cannot adequately explain to you guys how much I dislike the pick of Joe Biden as VP....I'd vote for him over Kennedy or Kerry(and only because he's not a total idiot on the Iraq War) ...and that's about it.

Seriously...Hillary was a better choice than Biden.

No one likes this guy...especially not moderate white males.

Obama is not in touch with non-selfhating white males...he just doesn't get it.

I understand your stance on Biden. I am not a Hillary fan and absolutely detested her during the primary, but after seeing her speech at the convention, I was having second thoughts about keeping her off the ticket.

I think Hillary was left off the ticket for a couple of reasons. One, I think there are some issues out there will Bill Clinton and his Clinton Foundation that the Obama campaign was concerned about. Two, in light of the Edwards' story, I think the possibility that Bill had continued his philandering was an issue.

Finally, I think Hillary mishandled her exit from the primaries. After Obama won Wisconsin, Hillary literally had no chance of winning the primary. Yet, not only did she continue her campaign, she started making comments that McCain was more qualified than Obama. This was AFTER it was apparent that Obama was going to be the nominee. It was a hail mary on her part and it didn't work out.

[whottt]

Really?

From another thread

Yeah...so actually she's got more experience than McCain and Biden even.

[whottt]

I think Hillary was left off the ticket for a couple of reasons. One, I think there are some issues out there will Bill Clinton and his Clinton Foundation that the Obama campaign was concerned about. Two, in light of the Edwards' story, I think the possibility that Bill had continued his philandering was an issue..


Dude...no on really gave a shit about Clinton getting a blowjob...and the Republicans going after him on that issue accomplished nothing...difference is, the Republicans figured that out real quick...while the Democrats still haven't....hence the past 8 years.


You guys have been so locked into opposing that you don't even know what you stand for anymore....just, the opposite.

[Mr. Peabody]

Yeah...so actually she's got more experience than McCain and Biden even.

I'm not a fan of McCain, but to say she has more experience than McCain is absolutely ridiculous and I refuse to play along. McCain's been on the national stage for 20+ years and was tackling national security and foreign policy issues while Palin was entering beauty pagents and auditioning for ESPN.

[Mr. Body]

All this love for Palin just shows how much the Right hates their candidate, John McCain, and wants someone else.

[xrayzebra]

Yeah...so actually she's got more experience than McCain and Biden even.



She has more experience that either Biden or Obama in
running something that has real responsibility connected to it. McCain has at least been "in command" of a naval squadron and had the responsibility of his actions.

Now how much responsibility does a Senator have? None where he is actually held responsible. He can screw up his whole career which some have, and never be held to accountability. Obama has never been held to accountability. He just takes credit for something that turns out right. Hell Kennedy wasn't held responsible for swimming off and leaving the young woman to drown. He is being treated as a damn celebrity by his party. So much for accountability in D.C.:depressed

[IceColdBrewski]

On how to fix rising gas prices:

Palin-"Come drill in Alaska."

Obama-"Put more air in your tires."

[ChumpDumper]

On how to fix rising gas prices:

Palin-"Come drill in Alaska."

Obama-"Put more air in your tires."How much will drilling in Alaska lower gas prices?

[Mr. Peabody]

She has more experience that either Biden or Obama in
running something that has real responsibility connected to it. McCain has at least been "in command" of a naval squadron and had the responsibility of his actions.


This is such a ridiculous argument.:bang

So, in other words, what makes McCain qualified to be POTUS is NOT the 20+ years he's spent in the Senate crafting national legislation and tackling national issues, but rather the time he spent 30 YEARS AGO leading a naval squadron?

That's so fucking idiotic.:bang

You cannot possibly believe this shit to be true.:bang

[xrayzebra]

How much will drilling in Alaska lower gas prices?

A heck of a lot more than putting air in your tires will. :lol

[Mr. Body]

A heck of a lot more than putting air in your tires will.

Citation please.

[ChumpDumper]

A heck of a lot more than putting air in your tires will. :lolHow much?

[whottt]

I understand your stance on Biden. I am not a Hillary fan and absolutely detested her during the primary, but after seeing her speech at the convention, I was having second thoughts about keeping her off the ticket.

I think Hillary was left off the ticket for a couple of reasons. One, I think there are some issues out there will Bill Clinton and his Clinton Foundation that the Obama campaign was concerned about. Two, in light of the Edwards' story, I think the possibility that Bill had continued his philandering was an issue.

Finally, I think Hillary mishandled her exit from the primaries. After Obama won Wisconsin, Hillary literally had no chance of winning the primary. Yet, not only did she continue her campaign, she started making comments that McCain was more qualified than Obama. This was AFTER it was apparent that Obama was going to be the nominee. It was a hail mary on her part and it didn't work out.



Hillary can come off as a bitch and that's something you guys were going to have to work around...


But she's not as unlikeable as Cheney was...and she's not as unlikeable as Biden is.

Furthermore, she was an extremely credible candidate, with better qualifications than Obama.





You guys seriously need to stop being worried about being liked(by everyone other than Republicans) and taking conformist positions.


Hint: W won the last election.

IT's fucking you guys up six ways from Sunday.


PS: Bill Clinton remains an enormously charismatic politician...


Pretty ignorant to lock out the most charismatic politician in either party, if you ask me. Especially when your whole premise is likeability...

[whottt]

McCain has at least been "in command" of a naval squadron and had the responsibility of his actions.

Not the same....


She's got more experience running a government of any kind, than he does...she's got more than Biden does, and yes, she's got more than Obama does.


I am not saying it's a lot...I'm saying the other guys have none.

[xrayzebra]

This is such a ridiculous argument.:bang

So, in other words, what makes McCain qualified to be POTUS is NOT the 20+ years he's spent in the Senate crafting national legislation and tackling national issues, but rather the time he spent 30 YEARS AGO leading a naval squadron?

That's so fucking idiotic.:bang

You cannot possibly believe this shit to be true.:bang

I am talking about holding positions where you are held accountable.
Crafting legislation is a group project in most cases and done more by their aids than the legislatures themselves. You know that.

Well, maybe Mayors aren't held accountable. I mean look what happen in NO and the mayor was not called on the carpet and even got re-elected.

[Mr. Body]

She has more experience that either Biden or Obama in
running something that has real responsibility connected to it. McCain has at least been "in command" of a naval squadron and had the responsibility of his actions.


McCain crashed five navy jets at great taxpayer expense.

/you wanted to go there

[xrayzebra]

McCain crashed five navy jets at great taxpayer expense.

/you wanted to go there

Really, what did the boards say on what happened? You know accountability. And blame.

[xrayzebra]

Not the same....


She's got more experience running a government of any kind, than he does...she's got more than Biden does, and yes, she's got more than Obama does.


I am not saying it's a lot...I'm saying the other guys have none.

But Obama has all that experience organizing. And locating Asbestos.
Doesn't that count?

[whottt]

I'm not a fan of McCain, but to say she has more experience than McCain is absolutely ridiculous and I refuse to play along. McCain's been on the national stage for 20+ years and was tackling national security and foreign policy issues while Palin was entering beauty pagents and auditioning for ESPN.


# of city, state or federal governments McCain has been in charge of = 0
# of city, state or federal governments Biden has been in charge of = 0
# of city, state or federal governments Obama has been in charge of = 0
# of city, state of federal governments Palin has been in charge of = 2

Yeah they were small governments...but still bigger than any political governments the other 3 guys have ever run.


Fact.



Running a state is a lot more like running the country than being a Naval Commander, or a Law Professor...or a Senator.

[Mr. Body]

Really, what did the boards say on what happened? You know accountability. And blame.

He was 894 of 899 at Annapolis.

His father was an admiral. So was his grandfather. That's how he got in.

He, himself, never got close to admiral.

Class members have said he's a nice guy but extremely angry and impulsive. He's the last person they'd ever want in office, but as a Senator he's okay.

[Mr. Peabody]

I am talking about holding positions where you are held accountable.
Crafting legislation is a group project in most cases and done more by their aids than the legislatures themselves. You know that.

Well, maybe Mayors aren't held accountable. I mean look what happen in NO and the mayor was not called on the carpet and even got re-elected.

I have a position where I am accountable. If I don't perform, I don't make money and can't pay my employees. That doesn't prepare me in the slightest to enter politics on a global level.

Former mayor, Ed Garza presided over a city that has twice the population of Alaska and roughly the same GDP for eight years. Is he more qualified to be President than John McCain or Joe Biden? Would you send Ed Garza to negotiate with Putin over a McCain or Biden?

[xrayzebra]

He was 894 of 899 at Annapolis.

His father was an admiral. So was his grandfather. That's how he got in.

He, himself, never got close to admiral.

Class members have said he's a nice guy but extremely angry and impulsive. He's the last person they'd ever want in office, but as a Senator he's okay.

Where did you place at Annapolis? Or would you even have the qualifications to be selected for Annapolis?

I understand Obama's family had slaves at one time. On his Mother's side. Would that trump your Father being an admiral?

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/politics/bal-te.obama02mar02,0,3453027.story

[IceColdBrewski]

And I love how everyone on the Obama side keeps throwing out the "community organizer" label in support of him. Can you define "Community organizer"?

I can. Go around registering minorities to vote. Which I'm sure was more for his own selfish ambitions than anything. I guess anyone who's ever gone out and stumped for votes is now a "community organizer." So you can throw Palin under that column as well.

[whottt]

All this love for Palin just shows how much the Right hates their candidate, John McCain, and wants someone else.


Dude...this chick is badass, and the more she talks the more people are going to like her. And even if this is her daughter's baby it won't make people dislike her. Neither will her stance on abortion.


Yeah she's infinitely more likeable than McCain..or Biden. She's more likeable than Obama.

She's got the same thing Bill Clinton has...only she's female.



Seriously...she seems to be the kind of girl every man really wants. You can deny it, but that's the appeal she has...and it's going to be a huge boost for McCain.


You know those cute little apple gymnasts that always capture the heart and soul of America?

Mary Lou Retton, Shawn Johnson?

Well the Republicans just got a VP with that same appeal...ya'll are fucked.


Female attraction trumps every other instinct a man has...and as a man you know it.




PS: Biden may get her on foreign relations...but she's going to own his ass on energy.

[Mr. Peabody]

# of city, state or federal governments McCain has been in charge of = 0
# of city, state or federal governments Biden has been in charge of = 0
# of city, state or federal governments Obama has been in charge of = 0
# of city, state of federal governments Palin has been in charge of = 2

Yeah they were small governments...but still bigger than any political governments the other 3 guys have ever run.

Fact.

Running a state is a lot more like running the country than being a Naval Commander, or a Law Professor...or a Senator.

Even assuming, arguendo, she has more experience, does she have the knowledge necessary to do it? She admittedly has never taken an interest in foreign policy or national security issues.

Generic experience is not the be all, end all for success. Again, I operate a business that has been more and more profitable as I've operated it. I now have two employees (started with none) and may hire another in the near future. This experience I have does not qualify me to run AT&T. I would think that a recent business graduate who has studied the telecommunications industry would be far more qualified than I would. True, I've operated a business, but not on that scale. And the issues I've faced are not comparable to the issues AT&T faces. My experience as an executive, as a business owner, would give me absolutely no insight on how to handle a much larger and more complex enterprise.

[whottt]

Even assuming, arguendo, she has more experience, does she have the knowledge necessary to do it? She admittedly has never taken an interest in foreign policy or national security issues.

#1. At least she's honest.
#2. She's likeable...that's the #1 foreign policy skill there is. It's what W lacks. Incidentally...it's also what Biden lacks which is why his foreign policy experience means jack shit.
#3. Her nickname was barracuda, you don't get that name without being a hardass at some point.










Generic experience is not the be all, end all for success. Again, I operate a business that has been more and more profitable as I've operated it. I now have two employees (started with none) and may hire another in the near future. This experience I have does not qualify me to run AT&T. I would think that a recent business graduate who has studied the telecommunications industry would be far more qualified than I would. True, I've operated a business, but not on that scale. And the issues I've faced are not comparable to the issues AT&T faces. My experience as an executive, as a business owner, would give me absolutely no insight on how to handle a much larger and more complex enterprise.

I'd say the state of Alaska is more complex than you are giving it credit for...it's outside of the continental United States, it's economy is entirely rooted in industry that benefits the rest of the United States.


Honestly...you guys aren't going to get her on foreign policy, energy, economics or a lack of experience...


Her weakness is domestic social issues, that's what she has no experience with....

[whottt]

The #1 issue she is qualified to deal with based on her background is the Energy Crunch...and based on her background, she's more qualified than anyone else in this campaign...

Now you tell me, is that a major issue in this election?



She's going to rip Biden(and McCain for that matter) a new hole on Anwar...she's been there, she lives there.

[ChumpDumper]

Has anyone figured out how much drilling in ANWAR will lower gas prices?

[Mr. Peabody]

#2. She's likeable...that's the #1 foreign policy skill there is. It's what W lacks. Incidentally...it's also what Biden lacks which is why his foreign policy experience means jack shit.



If that's the criteria, then Obama would be the most effective when it comes to issues of foreign policy. Even more so than Ms. Palin.

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2008-07/41214322.jpg

Quite honestly though, likability is not the most important trait for being successful in foreign policy. You can't be a Sara Lee diplomat ("No one doesn't like Sara Lee") and get anywhere unless you have a strategy and developed goals in mind. You don't develop those in two months after a lifetime of not taking an interest in them.

[whottt]

If that's the criteria, then Obama would be the most effective when it comes to issues of foreign policy. Even more so than Ms. Palin.

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2008-07/41214322.jpg


I haven't heard anyone doubt Obama's international appeal or his likeability...that's what has got him this far.

What they doubt is how much America appeals to him.






Quite honestly though, likability is not the most important trait for being successful in foreign policy. You can't be a Sara Lee diplomat ("No one doesn't like Sara Lee") and get anywhere unless you have a strategy and developed goals in mind. You don't develop those in two months after a lifetime of not taking an interest in them.


I diagree...likeability is far and away the #1 most important attribute in foreign policy...if people like the leader, they'll like the country and it's people, and if they don't they won't.

Don't get me wrong...it's not the only important thing, but it is the most important.


PS: Obama doesn't have any more of the other foreign policy qualifications beyond likeability than Palin does,

[Mr. Body]

PS: Obama doesn't have any more of the other foreign policy qualifications beyond likeability than Palin does,

A seat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee? I dunno, seems that would make him one of the experts in the country.

Oh, just in case that isn't enough for you - because you'll come up with some affirmative action crap - the chair of the committee is who? Eh? Joseph Biden.

Ranking members Dick Lugar (R) and Chuck Hagel (R) love the hell out of the guy and probably, if they weren't prevented by party loyalty, would endorse the guy. In fact, they may.

But go ahead. Talk like you know something.

[Mr. Peabody]

[B]

Ranking members Dick Lugar (R) and Chuck Hagel (R) love the hell out of the guy and probably, if they weren't prevented by party loyalty, would endorse the guy. In fact, they may.



Dick Lugar co-sponsored the Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-Proliferation Act with Obama, in an effort to reduce world-wide proliferation of nuclear materials.

B-b-b-but, Palin was responsible for the decisions of a fishing village in Alaska....

[whottt]

A seat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee? I dunno, seems that would make him one of the experts in the country.

Only if you're fucking ignorant. He hasn't done shit but campaign since he was on the cimmittee.




Oh, just in case that isn't enough for you

It isn't.




- because you'll come up with some affirmative action crap - the chair of the committee is who? Eh? Joseph Biden.

No shit?





Ranking members Dick Lugar (R) and Chuck Hagel (R) love the hell out of the guy and probably, if they weren't prevented by party loyalty, would endorse the guy. In fact, they may.

But go ahead. Talk like you know something.


A non-idiot would have mentioned that he spent a significant portion of his life being raised outside of the US and that is father was from another nation...

Then again, you aren't a non-idiot..are you now,
Robertas.

Still again, a non-idiot would have realized sitting on the foreign relations committe doesn't mean jack shit to me...based on my comments on Biden.

Did sitting on the Seante Intelligence Committee keep Kerry from being "lied" too about WMD? No it did not.


The qualifications I am talking about are spending a signifcant amount of time in another country as a representative of the United States of America...

Not sitting around...in it...you idiot.


Not to mention having a history of standing up to other countries, as well as befriending them...instead of offering to suck their dicks.

Just shut up until you get smarter...this has been a relatively enjoyable thread in particular because of the lack of idiots within it...try not to fuck that up...mmmm kay?

[PEP]

Has anyone figured out how much drilling in ANWAR will lower gas prices?
If they ever start drilling then you'll know.

[Mr. Body]

If they ever start drilling then you'll know.

Because they can't figure it out any other way. The 'invade and see' approach. Nice.

[ChumpDumper]

If they ever start drilling then you'll know.How much?

[T Park]

It's hers. One of my friends said the smear campaign by the left against Palin would be ridiculous. It appears they've upped the ante early.

but what happened to the campaign of "change" and different politics?

[ElNono]

I diagree...likeability is far and away the #1 most important attribute in foreign policy...if people like the leader, they'll like the country and it's people, and if they don't they won't.

Don't get me wrong...it's not the only important thing, but it is the most important.


Wow, just wow... Spoken like a true American that has never ever lived long enough in a foreign country and been directly affected by US foreign policy...
I'm on vacation for another two weeks, so I can't look up right now what each candidate offers in terms of foreign policy on their platform. But whoever wins will have to pay a ton of lip service to a bunch of regions to undo the damage this administration has done on that specific topic.

[efrem1]

He, himself, never got close to admiral.



He retired a Captain (O-6) just below the flag rank of Commordore; go read a Bluejacket's Manual. :bang

[Mr. Body]

He retired a Captain (O-6) just below the flag rank of Commordore; go read a Bluejacket's Manual. :bang

You're correct. I assumed someone with as undistinguished a record as he did (crashing planes, poor at Annapolis), other than valor in prison, never made it that far. But I guess having connections helped.

Don't get me wrong, but without being John Sydney McCain III (with I and II being admirals), I don't think he'd get that far.

[Mr. Peabody]

but what happened to the campaign of "change" and different politics?

Well, he's refrained from the types of character attacks he's received thus far from the McCain campaign.

[SnakeBoy]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137


it's pretty long......... but I believe it..


She tells the world that she's the mother of Trig, but lies in doing so.... Trig is apparently the kid of her 17 year old daughter...

You believe it because your a complete idiot.

The birth weight of Down's Syndrome babies is up to 20% lower, so the fact that she didn't show that much isn't any reason for yet another liberal conspiracy theory.

Add to that the fact that the probability of having a Down Syndrome baby increases with the age of the mother. What do you think the vegas odds would be on this kid being the child of a 17 year old or a 44 year old woman.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Trisomy21_graph.jpg

[George Gervin's Afro]

Ever since Obama came on to the scene many democrat actions have made me ashamed to be a democrat. This story is yet another example of taking the democratic party into the gutter. The Daily Kos type people are quickly becoming the Ditto Heads many people ridicule.

[AFBlue]

You're correct. I assumed someone with as undistinguished a record as he did (crashing planes, poor at Annapolis), other than valor in prison, never made it that far. But I guess having connections helped.

Don't get me wrong, but without being John Sydney McCain III (with I and II being admirals), I don't think he'd get that far.

You're right....they put retarded fuck ups in charge of the largest flying squadron in the Navy.

:rolleyes

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Her son's name is Track. And Mitt Romney's son's name is Tag.

[JoeChalupa]

but what happened to the campaign of "change" and different politics?

That's exactly why McCain picked Palin. In elections "change" almost always beats experience.

[Mr. Body]

You're right....they put retarded fuck ups in charge of the largest flying squadron in the Navy.

:rolleyes

Read this. (http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_mccain_lost_five_u.htm)


Navy pilot John Sidney McCain III should have never been allowed to graduate from the U.S. Navy flight school. He was a below average student and a lousy pilot. Had his father and grandfather not been famous four star U.S. Navy admirals, McCain III would have never been allowed in the cockpit of a military aircraft.

His father John S. "Junior" McCain was commander of U.S. forces in Europe later becoming commander of American forces in Vietnam while McCain III was being held prisoner of war. McCain III's grandfather John S. McCain, Sr. commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945.

During his relative short stunt on flight status, McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft, four in accidents and one in combat.

[Mr. Peabody]

From Governor's Convention, just before birth -

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b48/skater314159/palin_preggers_400.jpg

She's clearly pregnant.

Also -

From NBC's Mark Murray
Reuters: "The 17-year-old daughter of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is pregnant, Palin said Monday in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child.

End of issue.

[DynastyBuilder]

She is indeed going to be a Grandmother though... just in today...

To rebut rumors, Palin says daughter, 17, pregnant
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2944356420080901

[DarkReign]

Quick question, whott...

What makes you think H. Clinton would accept the VP role?

Do we know if she was offered it? Did she deny it?

Lets be real....shes an egotistical bitch with her sights set on the big chair at the big table. Second place is not tolerable for her, IMO.

[smeagol]

Ever since Obama came on to the scene many democrat actions have made me ashamed to be a democrat. This story is yet another example of taking the democratic party into the gutter. The Daily Kos type people are quickly becoming the Ditto Heads many people ridicule.

We all know with H. Clinton as the candiate for the Dems, these things would never happen. :rolleyes

[implacable44]

Yes in the true sense of the word.

If she tells a lie, it makes her a liar. I don't even think this is true, but your making morally relativist excuses for her in advance is quite entertaining.

Obama is a liar -- one could even say he is a pathalogical one --(his grandfather's liberating nazi death camps that were liberated by Rusiia ?) as well as a propaganda machine - Did you catch that video before his speech ? Look up the real story of his "father".

[Mr. Body]

Obama is a liar -- one could even say he is a pathalogical one --(his grandfather's liberating nazi death camps that were liberated by Rusiia ?) as well as a propaganda machine - Did you catch that video before his speech ? Look up the real story of his "father".

His father was a philandering, wandering man. No one disputes this, I don't believe. Hey, there's a reason Obama was raised by a single mother.

The Buchenwald/Birkenau slip has been addressed. His uncle, who was at Buchenwald, was introduced during John Kerry's speech at the convention.

[cool hand]

Sarah Palin is the mother of Trig. I want to know who the mother of Calculus is.

[JoeChalupa]

Ever since Obama came on to the scene many democrat actions have made me ashamed to be a democrat. This story is yet another example of taking the democratic party into the gutter. The Daily Kos type people are quickly becoming the Ditto Heads many people ridicule.

I'm not ashamed of being a Democrat at all but yeah, thedailykos, moveon.org give democrats a bad name and I don't agree with that crap. But the far right also make republicans look like idiots. Hannity and Limpbaugh and Savage do them injustice as well but I do listen to them. William Bennett is a guy I like though. He is the fairest of the them all, IMO.

[Mr. Peabody]

Sarah Palin is the mother of Trig. I want to know who the mother of Calculus is.


Calculus Entropy: How do you do? I be Calculus Entropy, you be Mr. and Mrs. Fletcher?

Fletch: I be Fletch, Geometry Fletch. She be Miss Trigonometry Ross.

Fletch Lives....anyone....anyone.....:depressed

[whottt]

Ignignokt, why do you waste the effort on these guys? Have you seen anything from them to indicate they are worthy of that effort? Do you honestly expect any sort of concession from them or admission they are wrong?

These are people that overlook churches being burnt down, they overlook comedians making jokes about her being raped, they overlook attacks on children.

They tell you, this mother of children, she should evidentally not let her children be seen in public if she is running for office, otherwise the attacks are fair game.


I mean did you or did you not see whinehole pointing out that the difference between Obama and Palin(and why he doesn't really have to hide his children) is because, no one goes after his children?

That is the stupidest statement since Patrick Ewing said sure we make a lot of money, but we spend a lot of money.



She brings her children out on stage like every other Presidential or VP candidate in history and all of sudden she's using them for political advantage, props.

Why in the world do you consider them worth the effort of a legitimate attempt at discourse?


They're total fucking dicks and they literally don't give a shit about anything but their political party and maintaining it's hold on power, at pretty much any cost.


Since you really want to do this...I'll PM you some links...


I'll even PM you my my supersecret info on Palin's international experience as Governor of Russia.

[ChumpDumper]

Nice bump.

[Ignignokt]

Ha!

I remember so many college students being "birthers" around election time. Infact there was a whole youth voter turnout over this, and many people believed these rumors to be true.

While the mainstream media didn't take side on the issue, whenever it was brought up, they didn't make any effort to publically disclaim it, they would leave it as "rumors" the palins and the McCain campaign are fighting.

[Winehole23]

They tell you, this mother of children, she should evidentally not let her children be seen in public if she is running for office, otherwise the attacks are fair game. I didn't say that. I said it showed bad judgment.


I mean did you or did you not see whinehole pointing out that the difference between Obama and Palin(and why he doesn't really have to hide his children) is because, no one goes after his children?Another misrepresentation. Why can't you play it straight whottt?

I said no one goes after Obama's kids because of racial sensitivity, and because there's no story there.

I also blamed McCain for tapping a nationally unknown figure for his VP without doing his due diligence and preparing the ground. He's as much to blame for the media storm around Palin as anybody.

[Ignignokt]

Correction, the youth voter turnout was not solely based on the birther conspiracy but had a role in discreditting Palin.

[whottt]

Nice bump.

I couldn't provide the link to the Daily Kos article, it's no longer there.

[whottt]

I didn't say that. I said it showed bad judgment.

Another misrepresentation. Why can't you play it straight whottt?

I said no one goes after Obama's kids because of racial sensitivity, and because there's no story there.

I also blamed McCain for tapping a nationally unknown figure for his VP without doing his due diligence and preparing the ground. He's as much to blame for the media storm around Palin as anybody.

No, the people that go after her kids are the ones to blme for going after her kids, 100%, them, and those that remain silent because it suits their political agenda.

[ChumpDumper]

I couldn't provide the link to the Daily Kos article, it's no longer there.No shit. I knew that hours ago when I dug up the Andrew Sullivan blog. The link to the original was there too.

[Winehole23]

No, the people that go after her kids are the ones to blme for going after her kids, 100%, them, and those that remain silent because it suits their political agenda.The media that didn't run with it were in on it too!:lol

[Winehole23]

It suited their political agenda not to report on it!

Widespread!

Nonstop!

24/7!


:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[whottt]

It suited their political agenda not to report on it!

Widespread!

Nonstop!

24/7!


:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

It probably suits their agenda to not be sued for libel by continuing to have 100% proven beyond all doubt libelous claims floating around on their sites.

That said...the articles and broadcasts you seek are out there. I just don't consider you worth the effort of posting them.

I mean, you think it's ok to go after children.

[Winehole23]

I mean, you think it's ok to go after children.I don't. And you can't back it up.

Why can't you play it straight, whottt?

[ChumpDumper]

That said...the articles and broadcasts you seek are out there. I just don't consider you worth the effort of posting them.Ah, the Wild Cobra "you're not worthy of getting any proof from me (good lord I can't find anything to back myself up)" gambit.

Well played.

[Winehole23]

It probably suits their agenda to not be sued for libel by continuing to have 100% proven beyond all doubt libelous claims floating around on their sites.In other words, you hold it against media outlets that practiced responsible journalism from a well-founded concern about printing libel or slander. In your mind, doing the responsible thing and not running the story... proves their mens rea. Classic!

[Winehole23]

Or did you just universalize the Kos scrub?

[whottt]

Um...I consider pretty much every major media outlet in the country to be a partisan blog, I don't think they practice good journalism, that said, our beautiful girl Sarah likes green as much as the next guy and I don't think they're stupid enough to offer it up to her on a silver platter.

It's libel you see, in this case it would be completely stupid libel.

That said, the links are out there...if you are so unbiased post them. Prove you merit a civil discussion.

[whottt]

Ah, the Wild Cobra "you're not worthy of getting any proof from me (good lord I can't find anything to back myself up)" gambit.

Well played.

I already backed myself up...I did so with this thread. I know I know...but it's biased.

[ChumpDumper]

Um...I consider pretty much every major media outlet in the country to be a partisan blog, I don't think they practice good journalism, that said, our beautiful girl Sarah likes green as much as the next guy and I don't think they're stupid enough to offer it up to her on a silver platter.

It's libel you see, in this case it would be completely stupid libel.

That said, the links are out there...if you are so unbiased post them. Prove you merit a civil discussion.:lol


"Post the links you asked me to post."

This is good. Right up there with your super secret international Palin duties that you never posted.

[Winehole23]

Post them, whottt. Prove to us you're not the Augean stables.

[ChumpDumper]

I already backed myself up...I did so with this thread. I know I know...but it's biased.No, it's just the worst argument you have ever adopted on this board.

"You asked me for links, so you go find those links you asked me for."

This is just sad.

[Winehole23]

I'd be willing to bet money you won't.

[ChumpDumper]

I couldn't provide the link to the Daily Kos article, it's no longer there.Here's a Daily Kos article you didn't post for some odd reason:


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b48/skater314159/palin_preggers_400.jpg

OK, there is a visibly-pregnant Sarah Palin talking with a CBS 11 (Dallas Juneau) reporter at the Governor's meeting in Texas end of the Alaska legislative session. She clearly appears to be pregnant.

Unless someone has counter evidence, we can drop this crap now. Yes, there are still some interesting questions, such as why she flew to Dallas and back when she was this pregnant, and why the Alaska Airlines crewmembers insisted that she was not visibly pregnant on the flight. Nevertheless, until this photo is debunked, we look stupid pushing this rumor.

That is all.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/31/234157/516/1017/581734

That's from August 31.

"national media"

"running with it"

[whottt]

Here's a Daily Kos article you didn't post for some odd reason:


Odd being,

A. Ya'll weren't asking for an article admitting they fucked up. They can be sued for slander of course they're going to denounce it.

B. I don't read the daily kos.




http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/31/234157/516/1017/581734

That's from August 31.

"national media"

"running with it"

[ChumpDumper]

Odd being,

A. Ya'll weren't asking for an article admitting they fucked up. They can be sued for slander of course they're going to denounce it.

B. I don't read the daily kos.But your argument is that pretty much everyone else does because it's huge national media-- so everyone knows the story was debunked.

Odd.

[Winehole23]

*Doing the responsible thing, and admitting their mistake to the whole world, proves their bad faith.*

[whottt]

But your argument is that pretty much everyone else does because it's huge national media-- so everyone knows the story was debunked.

Odd.

I don't watch CNN, MSNBC, FOX News or read any papers or magazines either....I guess they don't count as Media on the basis of my lack of vieweship either..

Your logic, not mine.

[Winehole23]

Do you believe everything you say?

[ChumpDumper]

I don't watch CNN, MSNBC, FOX News or read any papers or magazines either....I guess they don't count as Media on the basis of my lack of vieweship either..

Your logic, not mine.The debunking was in the national media by your definition.

Your logic, not mine.

[Winehole23]

In his mind, that only proves their guilt. It fit their political agenda.

[Winehole23]

It damns them doubly.

[whottt]

The debunking was in the national media by your definition.

Your logic, not mine.
My logic was that Bristol Palin was attacked by the National Media upon Sarah Palin's nomination for VP, which I have proved, it had nothing to do with whether or not it was debunked...

[ChumpDumper]

My logic was that Bristol Palin was attacked by the National Media upon Sarah Palin's nomination for VP, which I have proved, it had nothing to do with whether or not it was debunked...:lmao

One blog posted the rumor then debunked it before September.

You really played it up like it was something much bigger.

You should have just said one blog posted the rumor and then nothing else really happened.

[whottt]

:lmao

One blog posted the rumor then debunked it before September.

It wasn't debunked until Sarah Palin announced her daughter was pregnant.




You really played it up like it was something much bigger.

You should have just said one blog posted the rumor and then nothing else really happened.

But that's not what happend, it was reported in the National Media by multiple sources, and it was an extremely libelous claim with absolutely no basis in reality that nonetheless was done with malicious purpose because Sarah Palin was nominated for Vice President. It was an attack on a child, two of them in fact, done to hurt, and entirely for political gain, because of the positive vibe to the Palin nomination, nothing of that sort was ever leveled at Obama's chldren, it most certainly was not harmless or just happy liberal fun.



You think it's funny harmless good natured fun..I don't.

[ChumpDumper]

It wasn't debunked until Sarah Palin announced her daughter was pregnant.Wrong. It was debunked one day before.

I provided a link to that.

You can see it.


But that's not what happend, it was reported in the National Media by multiple sourcesStop right there.

Prove it.

Post them.


You think it's funny harmless good natured fun..I don't.I don't think that, I just don't care that much because unlike you I don't have an imaginary girlfriend.

Since you are so deadly serious about this, tell us all what you have done about it besides complain about it on the internets.

[ChumpDumper]

Dude, boutons just called Palin a bitch in another thread.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3525854&postcount=4

What are you going to do about it?

[whottt]

Wrong. It was debunked one day before.

I provided a link to that.

You can see it.

That really doesn't debunk anything, and it also doesn't change the fact her daughter was attacked. Beyond that I never said the fucking thing didn't get debunked nor was it ever the focus of this argument prior to you getting the Daily kos stuck up your ass...And finally you can't debunk that act of attacking a child. There is no debunking that.




Stop right there.

Prove it.

Post them.

Google it.




I don't think that, I just don't care that much because unlike you I don't have an imaginary girlfriend.

You obviously care as much as I do since you've argued about it as long as I have. Actually you might even care about it more since I attempted to go see a movie. You just care on the wrong side.




Since you are so deadly serious about this, tell us all what you have done about it besides complain about it on the internets.

These attacks on her kids originate on the internet...that is where they must be fought.

[whottt]

Dude, boutons just called Palin a bitch in another thread.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3525854&postcount=4

What are you going to do about it?

Point out what an asshole you are for not being offended by it. You really need t hat explained?

[ChumpDumper]

That really doesn't debunk anythingSure it does.
and it also doesn't change the fact her daughter was attacked.By respected professional national mainstream journalists ArcXIX and Inky99
Beyond that I never said the fucking thing didn't get debunked nor was it ever the focus of this argument, prior to you getting the Daily kos stuck up your ass...And finally you can't debunk that act of attacking a child. There is no debunking that.I acknowledged that loons did indeed do that. I consider ArcXIX and Inky99 to be loons and you consider them respected professional national mainstream journalists. Feel free to stick them up your ass.


Google it.I did. I found pretty straight reporting talking about the disclosure and the reasons for the disclosure. If you have anything different, post the links.


You obviously care as much as I do since you've argued about it as long as I have. Actually you might even care about it more since I attempted to go see a movie. You just care on the wrong side.Nah, I really don't care about it. You are getting more stupid and delusional as time goes on. It's fun to watch.


These attacks on her kids originate on the internet...that is where they must be fought.And what have you done about it on the internets outside this forum?

[whottt]

By respected professional national mainstream journalists ArcXIX and Inky99I acknowledged that loons did indeed do that. I consider ArcXIX and Inky99 to be loons and you consider them respected professional national mainstream journalists. Feel free to stick them up your ass.

I did. I found pretty straight reporting talking about the disclosure and the reasons for the disclosure. If you have anything different, post the links.

Nah, I really don't care about it. You are getting more stupid and delusionaltime on. It's fun to watch.

And what have you done about it on the internets outside this forum?

That is by far the shittiest most incoherent and messiest post I have ever seen from you, looks better after I cleaned it up. I'm not the one getting stupider...when you come back after going to sleep you'll realize that.

[ChumpDumper]

Sorry. I cleared up the errors. I've done much worse.

Is there still something you need help with, or is this just a way to avoid admitting you aren't doing anything about attacks on children outside the forum?