Sarah Palin's 17 year old daughter is pregnant

[Murphy]

Just heard it on FNC. Too early for me to find a hard source to link it to. Its a fresh story so stay tuned to the networks. Martha McCallum broke it. She said her daughter is keeping the baby and that she will marry the father of the baby. Glad to see she is keeping the baby instead of aborting it like many do nowadays.

[Mr. Peabody]

Just heard it on FNC. Too early for me to find a hard source to link it to. Its a fresh story so stay tuned to the networks. Martha McCallum broke it. She said her daughter is keeping the baby and that she will marry the father of the baby. Glad to see she is keeping the baby instead of aborting it. I know many liberals will be upset that she actually believes baby's are human and that they are a true blessing! And worth keeping!

Link and story


Link (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/)
Bristol Palin pregnant -- right now
Posted: Monday, September 01, 2008 11:58 AM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: 2008, Palin

From NBC's Mark Murray
Reuters: "The 17-year-old daughter of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is pregnant, Palin said Monday in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child.

Bristol Palin, one of Alaska Gov. Palin's five children with her husband, Todd, is about five months pregnant and is going to keep the child and marry the father, the Palins said in a statement released by the campaign of Republican presidential candidate John McCain.

Bristol Palin made the decision on her own to keep the baby, McCain aides said. 'We have been blessed with five wonderful children who we love with all our heart and mean everything to us,' the Palins' statement said. 'Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support,' the Palins said."

*** UPDATE *** Here's a statement the McCain camp released from Todd and Sarah Palin, which is identical to the quote in the Reuters story: "We have been blessed with five wonderful children who we love with all our heart and mean everything to us. Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. We're proud of Bristol's decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents. As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support."

"Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family. We ask the media to respect our daughter and Levi's privacy as has always been the tradition of children of candidates."

[Murphy]

thanks for the link! now where is everyone jumping over that daily kos story! lol

[DynastyBuilder]

To rebut rumors, Palin says daughter, 17, pregnant
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsO...44356420080901 (http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2944356420080901)

[Mr. Body]

Ok, fine. Let's move on.

[Brutalis]

Ssssssslut!

[boutons_]

Why wasn't she doing evangelical's failed wet dream of Abstinence Only birth control. Didn't she take the abstinence pledge?

Bristol is now the poster child for the FAILURE of the "Christian" supremacists' Abstinence Only bullshit, which dubya dumped a couple $B into, and Palin's highly effective mothering. :lol

[Mr. Body]

Bristol Palin sounds like a pharameutical company.

[Mr Dio]

Palin family obviously on par with the Spears family.
Spears family does a better job of pubic speaking though. :lol

Great job McCain!
The 1st of many great decisions huh? :lmao

[Mr. Peabody]

Why wasn't she doing evangelical's failed wet dream of Abstinence Only birth control. Didn't she take the abstinence pledge?

Bristol is now the poster child for the FAILURE of the "Christian" supremacists' Abstinence Only bullshit, which dubya dumped a couple $B into, and Palin's highly effective mothering. :lol

It's a 17 year-old girl going through an unplanned pregnancy in front of the national media.

This shouldn't be politicized.

:nope

[spurster]

I guess this is part of Palin's valuable executive experience.

[whottt]

Mr. Dio and Brutalis...it's pretty alarming that you would attack a 17 year old pregnant girl...


Especially since Barrack Obama's mother was a 17 year old unwed mother.


By all means keep it up...



Meanwhile, the Daily Kos and Democratic Underground have been deliberately publishing slanderous lies about Govenor Palin...do you care?


No you don't. You don't care at all.

[Murphy]

i support birth control but even that is not proven to be 100 percent effective. If for some reason if there was a story in a few days saying that bristol palin was on the pill you would hear liberals start saying that she probably didn't take it correctly,lol.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

For someone that is so against abortion, she failed to instill in her children the value of birth control.

I don't think this should be held against her though

[Murphy]

good point Whottt. I dont care for obama very much but you don't see me calling his mom a s*ut or worse. My cousin of 17 years of age just had a baby out of wedlock, her whole family is super conservative and she and her new baby are being embraced with unconditional love by them. Life is beautiful, a baby is so innocent yet people treat unwed mothers like trash.....whY?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Mr. Dio and Brutalis...it's pretty alarming that you would attack a 17 year old pregnant girl...


Especially since Barrack Obama's mother was a 17 year old unwed mother.


By all means keep it up...



Meanwhile, the Daily Kos and Democratic Underground have been deliberately publishing slanderous lies about Govenor Palin...do you care?


No you don't. You don't care at all.

Whottt the democratic party is not notorious for pushing a "holier than thou" group of voters behind a "we are religious and moral therefore the only real americans" mindset.

Barack Obama's mother being 17 years old and unwed is just that. A republican conservative mother having a slutty 17 year old preggo is seen as just that.

It's worse for the right than the left by definition.

[Murphy]

what if the baby's father was black?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

The only reason they pushed the news break for this was that they're hoping it will be pushed to the background by Gustav.

[spurster]

I predict Palin will drop out. Any headway that has been made on establishing her qualifications is lost and more, and it is hard to see how you can get it back. Any discussion on her qualifications is going to bring this up over and over again. I cannot believe the stupidity of McCain campaign.

[Tully365]

Ok, fine. Let's move on.

Well said.

Both sides viciously accuse the other side of politicizing every event, and then both sides continue to politicize every event.

[2centsworth]

In the words of Barack, having the child is punishment enough.

[Mr. Peabody]

The troubling thing about this issue is that it seems that the McCain campaign decided to politicize this issue -

The 17-year-old daughter of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is pregnant, Palin said on Monday in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child.Bristol Palin, one of Alaska Gov. Palin's five children with her husband, Todd, is about five months pregnant and is going to keep the child and marry the father, the Palins said in a statement released by the campaign of Republican presidential candidate John McCain.

Bristol Palin made the decision on her own to keep the baby, McCain aides said.

My question is why does the campaign feel that it's important to note that she made the choice to keep the baby? Why do you get credit for a not choosing the option you are trying to eradicate for other people? Was any other option (i.e., abortion) truly available to her?

It reminds me of the issue of the moral accountability of agents in a deterministic system. The argument is that if everything is predetermined (by God, the laws of physics, etc.), how can you hold an agent morally accountable for choices/actions? Some philosophers have posited that as long as we have the appearance of choice/other possibilities (which we do), it's enough to hold an agent morally accountable. I disagree with this position, but my explanation would take us too far off topic.

Also, what does it say that the McCain campaign is trying to give the Palin family credit for making a choice, while campaigning on a platform that would deny others the opportunity to make that same choice?

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Whottt the democratic party is not notorious for pushing a "holier than thou" group of voters behind a "we are religious and moral therefore the only real americans" mindset.

Barack Obama's mother being 17 years old and unwed is just that. A republican conservative mother having a slutty 17 year old preggo is seen as just that.

It's worse for the right than the left by definition.

Why exactly is she slutty? because she's pregnant? Isn't she marrying the father? I don't understand

[boutons_]

"This shouldn't be politicized."

Nor should sex between consulting adults.

You really think the Repugs wouldn't run with this like freight train if a Dem candidate's under-aged kid came up pregnant?

When the non-Repugs reflect the Repug slime/slander tactics back at the Repugs, the Repug whine like the little bitches they are.

McJerk doesn't even know Palin, met her once before taking her at veep. Shows his great care in large decision-making.

She was not vetted at all. She had the qualifications only as bait for McJerk's targeted constituencies: radical-right, evangelical, pro-BigOil, pro-drill-all-over-Alaska, creationist, anti-scientific, etc. Experience and competence need not apply. epitomized by: "You're Doing a Heckuva Job, Brownie"

As always with the Repugs, ideology and get-elected-at-any-cost by any slime/slander tactics reigns before competence and real qualifications.

[Mr. Peabody]

what if the baby's father was black?

Do Black people live in Alaska...?

[Mr Dio]

Mr. Dio and Brutalis...it's pretty alarming that you would attack a 17 year old pregnant girl...


Especially since Barrack Obama's mother was a 17 year old unwed mother.


By all means keep it up...



Meanwhile, the Daily Kos and Democratic Underground have been deliberately publishing slanderous lies about Govenor Palin...do you care?


No you don't. You don't care at all.



Attack? :lmao
r u serious man?
I guess having an opinion is an attack? :nope

I didn't throw that ho in the national spotlight, she can thank her mom & "Clinging to Life" McCain for that. It was your man McCain's idiocy that brought this to light. Who would honestly care (or in your case, cry) about this) if Palin wasn't chosen by JMc to snare the femme vote?


Who nominated Obama's mom for VP again? Refresh my memory. PLEASE, refresh my memory, who was it? :hat
How's that for keeping it up? :lmao

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Why exactly is she slutty? because she's pregnant? Isn't she marrying the father? I don't understand

Yes, you do not understand. Read the first line of my post.

"...the democratic party is not notorious for pushing a "holier than thou" group of voters behind a "we are religious and moral therefore the only real americans" mindset."
A liberal who has a kid at 17, well, conservatives can look down on that, but liberals are liberals and by definition, big deal.

A conservative who has a kid at 17...its hypocritical for a another conservative to gloss over this.

Get it? You have to keep in mind where liberals and conservatives come from.

[Mr. Peabody]

Yes, you do not understand. Read the first line of my post.

"...the democratic party is not notorious for pushing a "holier than thou" group of voters behind a "we are religious and moral therefore the only real americans" mindset."
A liberal who has a kid at 17, well, conservatives can look down on that, but liberals are liberals and by definition, big deal.

A conservative who has a kid at 17...its hypocritical for a another conservative to gloss over this.

Get it? You have to keep in mind where liberals and conservatives come from.

The other thing to consider is how Rush ("Chelsea is a dog") Limbaugh and Hannity would treat the issue if it was Obama's 17 year-old daughter that was pregnant. Would they attack the issue or would they respect the notion that candidates' children are off limits? What about Fox News? What would they do?

I would hope they wouldn't attack such an issue, but the reality is that they would.

[whottt]

Whottt the democratic party is not notorious for pushing a "holier than thou" group of voters behind a "we are religious and moral therefore the only real americans" mindset.


:lol @ you saying the Democrats don't have a holier than thou mindset.


Geezus Christ.


The Democratic Party is notorious for being on the wrong side of history at nearly every turn and then some how attributing their deeds to the Republicans.






Barack Obama's mother being 17 years old and unwed is just that. A republican conservative mother having a slutty 17 year old preggo is seen as just that.

That's funny because the only ones I hear calling a 17 year old girl a slut on this forum are you, boutons, and Mr. Dio...and you guys aren't Republicans.



It's worse for the right than the left by definition.

Unplanned pregnancy isn't a right vs left issue...what you do with the baby is.

Both sides don't want it to happen...both sides have it happen.


The left advocates safe sex and is ok with abortion.

The right advocates abstinence and isn't ok with abortion.


Neither side has solved the issue to their satisfaction.


The idea that 17 year old conservative girls don't get pregnant is a stupid one...because for that to be true, 17 year old boys would have to not want sex.

A 17 year old girl with conservative parents is much more likely to wind up having the baby..., that's the difference.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Obama's presidency and political hopes would be dashed if he had a black pregnant 17 year old daughter. And he's a liberal.

The only thing that really makes this hurt the republicans is that Palin is a woman. If a white conservative male VP candidate had a preggo 17 year old, while a hurricane was coming, there is a good shot it could be shot down.
But you have to realize the same sexist country that gave Hillary a hard time might strike hard on this for a woman to be VP that has a preggo daughter.

If the democrats were not such inept and pussy campaigners, this campaign would be as good as won for them.

From a centrist-voter POV, McCain already has lost his "experience" attack line (not that it really worked anyways) and he has now weakened his "moral high ground" method of attack. If the democrats had a spine or intelligence amongst them, they'd keep quiet about this and let the Hurricane do its thing, then save and attack this opening ruthlessly in the debates and later into the election when McCain dares to use a moral line of attack on Obama.

But democrats probably will do the same old shit and act like giant twats.

[Mr Dio]

The other thing to consider is how Rush ("Chelsea is a dog") Limbaugh and Hannity would treat the issue if it was Obama's 17 year-old daughter that was pregnant. Would they attack the issue or would they respect the notion that candidates' children are off limits? What about Fox News? What would they do?

I would hope they wouldn't attack such an issue, but the reality is that they would.


Hell yeah they'd attack it!
Not just comment on it, but realistically attack it.

You are now going to see all the dumbasses who suck Rush's cock like it gives oxygen start to take the stance that it's a private/family matter & shouldn't be a public matter.

News flash pugfuglians, YOUR candyass VP candidate is in the public eye by her own choosing! She accepted a desperate old man's invite because making a fool of herself as a sportscaster wasn't enough.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

:lol @ you saying the Democrats don't have a holier than thou mindset.


Geezus Christ.
Holier? As in religious? I meant literally not figuratively. Republicans have won the last 5 presidential elections pushing a "holier than thou we are religious moral and you aren't therefore we're better americans" line and you can't deny it. And never once along the way has there been a pregnant high schooler in the picture.



The Democratic Party is notorious for being on the wrong side of history at nearly every turn and then some how attributing their deeds to the Republicans.
That's irrelevant in this context.







That's funny because the only ones I hear calling a 17 year old girl a slut on this forum are you, boutons, and Mr. Dio...and you guys aren't Republicans.
I'm not calling her that myself I'm playing devil's advocate



Unplanned pregnancy isn't a right vs left issue...what you do with the baby is.

Both sides don't want it to happen...both sides have it happen.


The left advocates safe sex and is ok with abortion.

The right advocates abstinence and isn't ok with abortion.


Neither side has solved the issue to their satisfaction.


The idea that 17 year old conservative girls don't get pregnant is a stupid one...because for that to be true, 17 year old boys would have to not want sex.

A 17 year old girl with conservative parents is much more likely to wind up having the baby..., that's the difference.

Of course it happens, just not in the midst of a presidential election.
It's funny that Jamie Lynn Spears is being brought up, so let me use that as an example. Are only liberals calling Jamie Lynn Spears a stupid slut on the internet, on tv, etc?

No.

Are they really saying "But she kept the baby! It's a good thing!"

No.

You can't deny this damages the moral credibility of the republican party.
It is impossible.

[01.20.09]

Just heard it on FNC. Too early for me to find a hard source to link it to. Its a fresh story so stay tuned to the networks. Martha McCallum broke it. She said her daughter is keeping the baby and that she will marry the father of the baby. Glad to see she is keeping the baby instead of aborting it like many do nowadays.

Jamie Lynn Spears must be her role model.

[Mr Dio]

That's funny because the only ones I hear calling a 17 year old girl a slut on this forum are you, boutons, and Mr. Dio.





Good ahead & quote me, just be sure to place my words next to yours.

Go find it, where did I call that little hussy tramp of a Ho a "Slut" on this forum? :lmao

You took my 1st comment & YOU judged her to be a SLUT.
Look @ my 1st comment & see how your hypocrisy has blinded you. Where did I call her a slut in the comment you were so quick to judge? Where again? That's what I thought.

An adult would come back & apologize. I guess the pugfuglian party has no adults?

[Mr Dio]

Jamie Lynn Spears must be her role model.

Are you saying she's a SLUT?!?! :lol

[JoeChalupa]

Mr. Dio and Brutalis...it's pretty alarming that you would attack a 17 year old pregnant girl...


Especially since Barrack Obama's mother was a 17 year old unwed mother.


By all means keep it up...



Meanwhile, the Daily Kos and Democratic Underground have been deliberately publishing slanderous lies about Govenor Palin...do you care?


No you don't. You don't care at all.

You mean like all the conservatives blasting all those lies spread about Obama from the likes of Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. No, because you don't care at all. Sucks doesn't it?

[JoeChalupa]

Teen preganancy has no boundaries and it happens to well-off familes just like it does to everyone else.

[JoeChalupa]

:lol @ you saying the Democrats don't have a holier than thou mindset.


Geezus Christ.


The Democratic Party is notorious for being on the wrong side of history at nearly every turn and then some how attributing their deeds to the Republicans.






That's funny because the only ones I hear calling a 17 year old girl a slut on this forum are you, boutons, and Mr. Dio...and you guys aren't Republicans.



Unplanned pregnancy isn't a right vs left issue...what you do with the baby is.

Both sides don't want it to happen...both sides have it happen.


The left advocates safe sex and is ok with abortion.

The right advocates abstinence and isn't ok with abortion.


Neither side has solved the issue to their satisfaction.


The idea that 17 year old conservative girls don't get pregnant is a stupid one...because for that to be true, 17 year old boys would have to not want sex.

A 17 year old girl with conservative parents is much more likely to wind up having the baby..., that's the difference.

There you go again distorting views again. I am NOT okay with abortion but I am okay with a woman's right to choose. I would NEVER go the route of abortion if any of my daughter's ever got pregnant. NEVER. But again, I am for a woman's right to choose. But I'm not okay with abortion.
Just like I won't allow a gun in my house but defend the right to bear arms.
Damn I don't see what is so damn hard to understand.

[Mr. Peabody]

Obama statement regarding Bristol Palin

Politico's Carrie Budoff Brown reports: At a press avail in Monroe, Mich., Obama on Palin: "Back off these kinds of stories."

"I have said before and I will repeat again: People's families are off limits," Obama said. "And people's chidlren are especially off limits. This shouldn't be part of politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as a governor and or her potential perfromance as a vice president. So I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18 and how a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldn’t be a topic of our politics."

[Ignignokt]

So did Sarah Palin make her daughter get knocked up?

I mean what's so hard to understand?

Parents give you guidance, Sarah's daughter had access to birth control, if she had access to have sex with a guy, she had access to birth control.

What Palin did was admit to the daughters pregnancy rather than threaten everyone who'd break the story.

This will only lose credibility to people like CBF and Mr Dio who don't care or give a rats ** about a persons morality or peoples religion.

Evangelicals have a kid who backslide and get pregnant, so if anything this will only make them feel as if they have something in common with Palin. And since Evangelicals know they are sinners, this is no big deal.

This just showed that Palin was dealt with a problem many parents face, and she stuck to her principles.

Calling the girl a slut, like CbF will guarnsheed the election for McCain.

Mr Dio calling the girl a slut probably indicts a third to a half of his family members who had kids out of wedlock.


Congratulations Dio, you probably just called some of your aunts, neices, cousins a slut. You're a great guy.

[JoeChalupa]

Obama statement regarding Bristol Palin

A new kind of politics indeed. :tu
:tu

[Ignignokt]

Mr Dio just called Obama's mom a slut.

[whottt]

Obama's presidency and political hopes would be dashed if he had a black pregnant 17 year old daughter. And he's a liberal.


So you're saying liberals wouldn't support him?

And you say the Republicans are the hypocrites?

Because the Republicans aren't going to supprt him no matter what he is, because he's a Democrat.


What's next, will you attempt to say the Republicans wouldn't support a woman?

:lmao








The only thing that really makes this hurt the republicans is that Palin is a woman. If a white conservative male VP candidate had a preggo 17 year old, while a hurricane was coming, there is a good shot it could be shot down.
But you have to realize the same sexist country that gave Hillary a hard time might strike hard on this for a woman to be VP that has a preggo daughter.


Um...the sexist ones wre the liberals in this election. The Democrats and Obama were the ones trashing Hillary...not McCain.


Don't put this on the Republicans or I will be forced to post the countless trashings by Nbadan and co.



Only thing I hever said about her was that she was that I don't want to have to look at her for the next 4 years...

OTOH, I will enjoy looking at Palin for the next 4 years. And so will you.




If the democrats were not such inept and pussy campaigners, this campaign would be as good as won for them.

No it wouldn't...because the dudes name is Hussein, he has a pastor that says god-dm America and he doesn't put his hand over his heart when he says the pledge of allegiance.

That's what people don't like about him, as the President of the US.


It's just that simple...yes he has the right to do all of that stuff, and the American people have the right to not elect him President because of it.





From a centrist-voter POV, McCain already has lost his "experience" attack line (not that it really worked anyways) and he has now weakened his "moral high ground" method of attack.


The far right wingers hate McCain.





If the democrats had a spine or intelligence amongst them, they'd keep quiet about this and let the Hurricane do its thing, then save and attack this opening ruthlessly in the debates and later into the election when McCain dares to use a moral line of attack on Obama.

But democrats probably will do the same old shit and act like giant twats.

Ya'll have no idea how badly John McCain has owned you by selecting this woman as his VP.



You want a real person in Washington...there she is.

Obama? He went to Harvard...just like W.

He's a lawyer...like 90% of the other politicians in Washington.

[JoeChalupa]

So did Sarah Palin make her daughter get knocked up?

I mean what's so hard to understand?

Parents give you guidance, Sarah's daughter had access to birth control, if she had access to have sex with a guy, she had access to birth control.

What Palin did was admit to the daughters pregnancy rather than threaten everyone who'd break the story.

This will only lose credibility to people like CBF and Mr Dio who don't care or give a rats ** about a persons morality or peoples religion.

Evangelicals have a kid who backslide and get pregnant, so if anything this will only make them feel as if they have something in common with Palin. And since Evangelicals know they are sinners, this is no big deal.

This just showed that Palin was dealt with a problem many parents face, and she stuck to her principles.

Calling the girl a slut, like CbF will guarnsheed the election for McCain.

Mr Dio calling the girl a slut probably indicts a third to a half of his family members who had kids out of wedlock.


Congratulations Dio, you probably just called some of your aunts, neices, cousins a slut. You're a great guy.

I concur. But in today's world stories like this are news and you know damn well if this was about Obama Hannity and Limbaugh would be all over it accusing him of his liberal ways poisoning his daughter judgement, blah, blah, blah.
Oh, and Mr.Dio did not call her a slut....that was Whottt putting words in his post. read again.

[whottt]

A new kind of politics indeed. :tu
:tu



Be sure to show CBF, Mr. Dio and boutons that Obama doesn't agree with them.

[spurster]

Obama can be the good cop, and let the rest of us knock down Palin.

[whottt]

Obama can be the good cop, and let the rest of us knock down Palin.



Yeap...and ya'll will come off ass assholes once you do.

[Mr Dio]

Mr Dio just called Obama's mom a slut.



ActuallyI called your mom a slut but that was part of the script.
That filthy whore of a cunt is still trying to break into mainstream porn even though her front teeth have been broken off in all her BDSM flicks. :lol

[whottt]

Who nominated Obama's mom for VP again? Refresh my memory. PLEASE, refresh my memory, who was it? :hat



The same people that nominated Palin's pregnant daughter for VP...

[Mr Dio]

Ignignokt the Idiot


I changed your name to something more appropriate.
BTW, you seem really offended & like a typical hypocrite you are prob just venting at how much of your family suffers from inbreeding & some sort of mental retardation.

I feel sorry for you.

[Mr Dio]

:lmao
The same people that nominated Palin's pregnant daughter for VP...



So you are saying that a despearte old man from the pugfuglian party nominated Obama's mom.
What year? Hmmm, link please, I have to be sure & read it. :lol


Ignignokt the Idiot, is that Whott's troll name?
Seriously, Irnoramuskunt is quite a loser. :lol

[whottt]

Get it? You have to keep in mind where liberals and conservatives come from.



Sorry but you are full of shit...the Democrats are the ones that are holier than thou...they are the ones that call religious people ignorant, backwards, that insult small town people...


They insult patriotism...



And more importantly, they spam message board forums with propaganda non-stop.


Daily Kos... :lol

[possessed]

And Cheyney's daughter is a lesbo. That really turned the tide in favor of Bush's opponents. :wakeup

[T Park]

You mean like all the conservatives blasting all those lies spread about Obama from the likes of Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. No, because you don't care at all. Sucks doesn't it?

What lies have they spread about Obama?

[Ignignokt]

ActuallyI called your mom a slut but that was part of the script.
That filthy whore of a cunt is still trying to break into mainstream porn even though her front teeth have been broken off in all her BDSM flicks. :lol

Um, okay Mr dio...

I guess i was going to say... i apologize for confusing CBF with your post , but you had to use your lame putdowns you learned from your role model at the Burger Tex during your job as fry cook.

but whatever...

Sorry about what I said, It was actually CBF who said..
Whottt the democratic party is not notorious for pushing a "holier than thou" group of voters behind a "we are religious and moral therefore the only real americans" mindset.

Barack Obama's mother being 17 years old and unwed is just that. A republican conservative mother having a slutty 17 year old preggo is seen as just that.
It's worse for the right than the left by definition.

It was dumb of me to assume because CBF is the brains of the Victard legion, that you who is incapable of thinking up any coherent argument would follow your talking points from your master CBF.

[DynastyBuilder]

In the words of Barack, having the child is punishment enough.

Classic!

:rollin

[Ignignokt]

Ignignokt the Idiot


I changed your name to something more appropriate.
BTW, you seem really offended & like a typical hypocrite you are prob just venting at how much of your family suffers from inbreeding & some sort of mental retardation.

I feel sorry for you.

Ignignokt the Idiot???:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

how should i counter such shattering insult.

Maybe i could allow Palin's downs kid Trig to log on my computer to come up with Mr. Dio the Dummy.

That would only be fair. That would be fighting fire with fire.

Or more appropriately matches with matches.

[T Park]

I don't like Obama's politics. BUT, I've said all along, I like him as a person, and his response to this is great to see.

If his workers around him, and people that run stuff would follow his lead that would be great.

[Mr Dio]

Um, okay Mr dio...

I guess i was going to say... i apologize for confusing CBF with your post , but you had to use your lame putdowns you learned from your role model at the Burger Tex during your job as fry cook.

but whatever...




That's it?!?!?!
That's all you have??!?!?! :lmao
You really need to learn better on that corner you walk.


Damn, you use the same lines your mom uses except I'm filming her getting gangbanged by animals & parolees, so basically, your family members.

[Mr Dio]

Ignignokt the Idiot


Maybe i could allow Palin's downs kid Trig to log on my computer to come up with Mr. Dio the Dummy.





Show how much of a Hypocrite MORON you are on a forum by attacking kids with serious mental challenges. :nope

Yeah, you are a real winner.
Bet your family is real proud of you. :rollin :lmao :lol

[Ignignokt]

That's it?!?!?!
That's all you have??!?!?! :lmao
You really need to learn better on that corner you walk.

WHat the ???
.ANd here's the real ironic part where Mr Dio doesn't know how backwards dumbnuts he really is by self indicting his own stupidity.


Damn, you use the same lines your mom uses except I'm filming her getting gangbanged by animals & parolees, so basically, your family members.

[Mr Dio]

Damn Idiot, you make perfect sense.
Like your MOm in one of her Meth induced orgy flicks

[Ignignokt]

Show how much of a Hypocrite MORON you are on a forum by attacking kids with serious mental challenges. l

And all apologies to your family, they have a wonderful "gifted" boy in Mr Dio.

[whottt]

Good ahead & quote me, just be sure to place my words next to yours.

Go find it, where did I call that little hussy tramp of a Ho a "Slut" on this forum? :lmao



My bad...you compared her to Britney Spears...that was worse.

[whottt]

Anyway...it's pretty sad to see that guys like Mr. Dio and CBF would call a girl with Native American blood in her a slut...

[Ignignokt]

Damn Idiot, you make perfect sense.

You think idiots make perfect sense, i believe you.

[Mr Dio]

You think idiots make perfect sense, i believe you.



At least you don't dispute that you're an Idiot, Inkinutkrhtgut.

[Mr Dio]

Anyway...it's pretty sad to see that guys like Mr. Dio and CBF would call a girl with Native American blood in her a slut...



Sluts come from all backgrounds. All ranges of family incomes & religions.
All types of political beliefs. Different countries.


Look at Inkngkoftugrt's mom, no one knows if she was born or hatched. However, she's a slut.

[Ignignokt]

Damn Idiot, you make perfect sense.
Like your MOm in one of her Meth induced orgy flicks

SO to Mr Dio.

Idiots make perfect sense.

And Meth induced orgy's make perfect sense.

In one cut down aimed at somebody he manages to put himself down twice at the same time.

If i were Dio, i'd give up and just copy and paste CBF's put downs. He'd fare much better.

[whottt]

Sluts come from all backgrounds. All ranges of family incomes & religions.
All types of political beliefs. Different countries.



I agree...it even happens to Republicans :tu


Difference is...we'll still vote for em, because we aren't bigots :smokin

[Mr Dio]

SO to Mr Dio.

Idiots make perfect sense.

And Meth induced orgy's make perfect sense.

In one cut down aimed at somebody he manages to put himself down twice at the same time.

If i were Dio, i'd give up and just copy and paste CBF's put downs. He'd fare much better.


Perfect example of an IDIOT not knowing how defeated she is.
Oh well, she makes it easier for me. :lol:lol:lol

Keep going MORON.... :lmao

[Ignignokt]

Sluts come from all backgrounds. All ranges of family incomes & religions.
All types of political beliefs. Different countries.


Look at Inkngkoftugrt's mom, no one knows if she was born or hatched. However, she's a slut.

If you put larry the cable guy, stone cold steve austin, and and a retard you'd get Mr. Dio's stand up routine.

But back to the point, Mr Dio is now claiming girls who have unwanted pregnancies are sluts.

Why doesn't Mr DIo be a real man and say it in public at the abortion clinics?

He could make protest signs out of macaroni and crayolas and put his pre k education to work.

It'll be a blast!!

[Ignignokt]

Perfect example of an IDIOT not knowing how defeated she is.
Oh well, she makes it easier for me. :lol:lol:lol

Keep going MORON.... :lmao

You could also call people poo poo heads, that'll convince everyone you're winning the argument.

[whottt]

You mean like all the conservatives blasting all those lies spread about Obama from the likes of Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. No, because you don't care at all. Sucks doesn't it?


I don't listen to Rush or Sean Hannity...nor do I post articles from Right Wing Blogs.

PS: I also don't watch Fox News.


But every liberal I know does....

[Mr Dio]

You could also call people poo poo heads, that'll convince everyone you're winning the argument.



Wow, "poo poo"...u came up with "poo poo".........
U def won this argument girl! :lmao

Please.....hahahaha, please post again & show us how smart u are. :lmao

[Ignignokt]

I wonder why that is? Why do liberals watch fox news if they hate it?

[Ignignokt]

Binga binga bam bam.

:lol okay mr dio eat your vegetables first then you can play with your blocks.

[Clandestino]

Why are we hearing more about Palin's enlisted son who is on his way to Iraq?

[Mr Dio]

Damn Daddy Dio, why do you beat my ass at home, fuck my whore of a mom in front of me and then school me on this board? Don't you love your little 'tarded girl anymore?



Hell no!
You were always a waste of my sperm!

[JoeChalupa]

I wonder why that is? Why do liberals watch fox news if they hate it?

I watch it because I'm a fair and balanced individual who gets his news and information from a variety of sources. Just like I listen to Sean insHannity and Rush Limpballs to hear the views from the far right.
But I don't read theDailyKos or visit moveon.org either.

[Mr Dio]

Dio........dude, seriously. I may watch cartoons but I'm not always this big of an IDIOT! lol, BTW, how did you know my mom always called me IDIOT as her pet name for me? You must've really fucked my mom huh?



You always have been an idiot, Idiot.
Wanna make my case for me again? :lol

[boutons_]

McJerk "knows how to win wars" (although he's never won one, and not been in a war that was won), but does his self-proclaimed experience and decision-making mean he can't choose a once-met running-mouth mate and vet her thoroughly?

When was Bristol known to be pregnant?

Did McWarMonger and his staff know his running mate would have a illegitimate pregnancy in her houselhold?

Or were they lied to and sandbagged by Palin?

If McSenile knew about the pregnancy, then why did he sill go with "family values" Palin and all the distraction the pregnancy brings?

There's nothing positive about this for McBefuddled and Palin, and tons of negatives.

[Mr. Peabody]

Evidently Jake Tapper of ABC News had the same question about this story that I did.


Just Askin'…

September 01, 2008 1:26 PM

What would the response be if Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, and his wife Michelle had a pregnant unmarried teenage daughter?

-- jpt

[Ignignokt]

Hell no!
You were always a waste of my sperm!


Did you run out of feces to finger paint with?

How come you're on the computer at this time, when did they start having wifi on shortbuses?

[Ignignokt]

Evidently Jake Tapper of ABC News had the same question about this story that I did.

McCain has already proved that he would rise above politics during the whole jeremiah wright thing, i'm not so sure about talk radio, but it would be on the news regardless if it were a R or D to whom it happened to.

[Mr Dio]

Did you run out of feces to finger paint with?

How come you're on the computer at this time, when did they start having wifi on shortbuses?


You sure are good at proving my point girl! :lol

Keep going, all this from the trick who came up with, "Poo Poo"...... :lmao

Please keep going. :lmao

[Ignignokt]

You always have been an idiot, Idiot.
:lol
It's always better to use your actual qoutes, they do a better job than the ones i could make up for you to illustrate how stupid you are.

[jochhejaam]

Evidently Jake Tapper of ABC News had the same question about this story that I did.

Thanks for letting us know that you and Tapper had the same question.

Please update us if anyone else asks it.

[Mr. Peabody]

McCain has already proved that he would rise above politics during the whole jeremiah wright thing, i'm not so sure about talk radio, but it would be on the news regardless if it were a R or D to whom it happened to.

Really...

"I saw yesterday some additional comments that have been revealed by Pastor Wright. One of them, comparing the United States Marine Corps with Roman legionnaires who were responsible for the death of our savior. I mean, being involved in that. It's beyond belief. And then of course, saying that al Qaeda and the American flag were the same flags. So, I can understand. I can understand why people are upset about this. I can understand why, that Americans when viewing these kinds of comments are angry and upset."

Oh yeah, and McCain was actually wrong about this statement....

Wright never said "al Qaeda and the American flag were the same flags." He compared Americans thinking that God blesses US military actions that kill innocent civilians with the belief of al Qaeda. He decried "making a pre-emptive strike in the name of God. We cannot see how what we are doing is the same thing that al-Qaeda is doing under a different color flag -– calling on the name of a different God to sanction and approve our murder and our mayhem.”

You may well find that offensive in itself, but McCain misrepresented what Wright said, in his April 2003 sermon.

[Ignignokt]

You sure are good at proving my point girl! :lol

Keep going, all this from the trick who came up with, "Poo Poo"...... :lmaoPlease keep going. :lmao

I suggested that you call people poo poo head since you already started with the "your a girl" routine.

But i don't blame you for not being able to read, maybe that's the part where you lost your wifi signal when you hopped on the short bus.

[Mr Dio]

Dio........dude, seriously. I may watch cartoons but I'm not always this big of an IDIOT! lol, BTW, how did you know my mom always called me IDIOT as her pet name for me? You must've really fucked my mom huh?


I see this got under your skirt a lil huh?

[Mr Dio]

I suggested that you call people poo poo head since you already started with the "your a girl" routine.

But i don't blame you for not being able to read, maybe that's the part where you lost you wifi signal when you hopped on the short bus.


My lil Trick dislikes being called what she is huh? :lol

You'll always be Daddy's lil bitch, bitch. :lmao

[Mr. Peabody]

Thanks for letting us know that you and Tapper had the same question.

Please update us if anyone else asks it.

I know the story hurts, but it'll pass.

[Mr Dio]

Please keep going, oh great inventor of Poo Poo.....

Show us all how much I got under your skirt & how lame you are.

[whottt]

Evidently Jake Tapper of ABC News had the same question about this story that I did.



I guess that's a question for the Democrats to be asking themselves....the Republicans aren't in charge of who gets the Democratic Nomination. The Democrats are.


Seriously, are ya'll really that stupid?




Just like the Democrats need to be asking themselves why they didn't give Hillary the nomination...


If the Democrats give their nominations based on whether or not Republicans will vote for them...that's ignorant.



This woman wasn't nominated because of her appeal to Democrats...she was nominated because of her appeal to women and conservatives, and because she really is outside of Washingon.

[jochhejaam]

I would hope they wouldn't attack such an issue, but the reality is that they would.

Speculation equals reality...that's 2 gems in the same thread for ya PB.
Yer rollin' dude!

[Ignignokt]

I see this got under your skirt a lil huh?

the part where you mustered all of your working brain cells to say my mom is a slut and i watch cartoons... :lol

I want to say yes, just so i can encourage your retarded self to make more of a bafoon of himself, but that would be wrong on my part.

[JoeChalupa]

I love me a good pu pu platter.

http://www.birchwoodonthepark.com/images/pupu_side_shot.jpg

[JoeChalupa]

This woman wasn't nominated because of her appeal to Democrats...she was nominated because of her appeal to women and conservatives, and because she really is outside of Washingon.

You mean not because she was the best qualified?

[whottt]

I just want to know why a party that calls itself liberal isn't celebrating the nomination of a female VP by Republicans...


You guys aren't happy about this advancement for women at all...you've shit on it from the second it was announced(Chalupa does get a pass on this one).


Kinda like ya'll shit on Hillary.

[whottt]

You mean not because she was the best qualified?

Best qualified in what way?

[JoeChalupa]

I just want to know why a party that calls itself liberal isn't celebrating the nomination of a female VP by Republicans...


You guys aren't happy about this advancement for women at all...you've shit on it from the second it was announced(Chalupa does get a pass on this one).

Obama and Biden called McCain to congratulate him on his decision. I just don't buy into nominating a woman just because she IS a woman. But I understand why he did it.

[Mr Dio]

the part where you mustered all of your working brain cells to say my mom is a slut and i watch cartoons... :lol

I want to say yes.......

At least you're admitting it lil girl.
Now keep proving my point.
Kepp going lil bitch, your Daddy commands you! :hat :lmao

[Ignignokt]

Please keep going, oh great inventor of Poo Poo.....
.

This guy just called me the inventor of Poop.


oooooooooooooohhhhhhH!!!!!!!!!!!! burnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mr Dio]

I love me a good pu pu platter.

http://www.birchwoodonthepark.com/images/pupu_side_shot.jpg



Hahaha.......:lmao


I wonder what genius the dumbass kid IDIOT-Igneketorgfutyrt will come up with next. If his parents haven't taken away his lil cmptr yet. :lol
Ohhh kids on the web can so fun to get riled up!

[whottt]

Obama and Biden called McCain to congratulate him on his decision.

Wow...that's never been before in history now has it?


I'm not talking about them...I'm talking you liberals.






I just don't buy into nominating a woman just because she IS a woman.

She wasn't nominated just because she is a woman.


Is Obama nominated just because he is black?


But I understand why he did it.


I don't think you really do Joe...you've been drinking Nbadan and boutons koolaid for 4 years now...

[Ignignokt]

You watch cartoons, yo momma a ho, and i'm yo daddy... im a ninja..

-dio

[jochhejaam]

I know the story hurts, but it'll pass.

There doesn't need to be any hurt (other than that which may be derived from some of the moronic comments similar from those rendered by some in this thread) The reality of a beautiful baby girl of baby boy tends to take the hurt away.

And certainly no need for condemnation, she probably already overloaded herself with that. If I were her dad she'd get nothing less than unconditional support.

[AZLouis]

So Palin has completed the trifecta...

MILF

VPILF

GILF

[Ignignokt]

Ohhh kids on the web can so fun to get riled up!

I'm starting to believe that Johngateswhiteley logged in as Dio to show the stupidity of Victoria longhorn fans.

[boutons_]

"I just want to know why a party that calls itself liberal isn't celebrating the nomination of a female VP by Republicans"

Gender and race "should" be non-factors.

Palin's unsuitability is not because she's a woman.

Hillary's defeat was not because she was a woman.

As with dubya's risible nominaton of Harriet Meiers to SC because of her lengthy loyalty to dubya, Palin was chosen to pander to certain narrow-minded, reactionary, hard-right constituencies where her gender was not an issue, so why should her gender be an issue for non-Repugs.

In neither case, for anybody with a worthwhile opinion, was gender an issue. Many Repugs have put forward more experienced, more well-known Repug women, so it seems the gender issue isn't dominant for Repugs, either.

Whott's trying to slime the non-Repugs as promoting women no matter how unqualified and incompetent, while in fact it's the Repugs selecting an inexperienced, unqualified Palin, easily interpreted as a "woman no matter whott" as long as she passed the right-wing and "Christian" supremacists' litmus tests.

[whottt]

:lol @ boutons attempting to pass himself off as a non-whore.


You're a whore bouton...an ignorant whore.

[Mr. Body]

Boutons nails it.

[Mr Dio]

I'm starting to believe that Johngateswhiteley logged in as Dio to show the stupidity of Victoria longhorn fans.

That's it???
U r not serious?!?!
That is the best you've got????? :lmao:lmao:lmao



C'mon girl, u gotta show us more of that awesomeness.
You totally rock! Must be watching a cartoon right now to get your ideas because they are soooo awesome! :lmao



Tell ya what, I'll leave you alone so u can think ( :lol ) & then when I come back from an adults party we'll read what you've posted & all laugh at u.
Ooops, I mean, I mean, laugh at al the awesome things you've thought of all by yourself! :lmao

[Ignignokt]

That's it???
U r not serious?!?!
That is the best you've got????? :lmao:lmao:lmao



C'mon girl, u gotta show us more of that awesomeness.
You totally rock! Must be watching a cartoon right now to get your ideas because they are soooo awesome! :lmao



Tell ya what, I'll leave you alone so u can think ( :lol ) & then when I come back from an adults party we'll read what you've posted & all laugh at u.
Ooops, I mean, I mean, laugh at al the awesome things you've thought of all by yourself! :lmao


Gold!!!!!:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

I admit Dio..:rollin you are the best, i can't win a retard sprint against you.

Celebrate and go to your adults party and get your dumb on.

[whottt]

I think she's qualified to be VP...I actually like her better than McCain. Matter of fact...she has probably swung me to voting for McCain.

I'm actually not afraid of this woman becoming President at all...and that's just something you're going to have to learn to accept....that I'm not a sexist...and you are.



Plus she's hot.

[whottt]

Boutons nails it.


boutons nailed what?


He's been calling Republicans racists, sexists and bigots for years now...and now he's being critical because we aren't?

And BTW, I'm not a Republican...


Here's what boutons nailed...


boutons was ignorant then...

boutons is ignorant now.



boutons is ignorant.

[Mr. Peabody]

And certainly no need for condemnation, she probably already overloaded herself with that. If I were her dad she'd get nothing less than unconditional support.

I completely agree. If you've read my prior posts, I've said that this issue should not be politicized. The simple truth is that Bristol's pregnancy says nothing about the way she was raised by her parents. She's 17 and bears responsibility for her actions. To act as if 17 year-olds are not having sex is to turn a blind eye to the realities of contemporary society. She got pregnant and her family is dealing with it. End of story.

The issues I was posting on were:

1. Why the McCain campaign felt it necessary to highlight the fact that she made the choice to keep the baby; and

2. Whether the right-wing media (e.g. Rush, Hannity, and Fox News) would give the Obama's the same privacy on this matter that others have been calling for?

[boutons_]

Whott is so embarrassed and pissed at off at me for bitch-slapping his wimpy ass, yet again, that he can't make a credible response, so calls me an ignorant whore.

[Mr. Peabody]

I think she's qualified to be VP...I actually like her better than McCain. Matter of fact...she has probably swung me to voting for McCain.


I like her personality better than McCain's too. As I've stated, I think she has a compelling story; one that will play well with women. I don't think she's nearly as qualified as McCain, Biden, or even Obama, but we could debate that for days (and I think we have) and get nowhere.

I understand the pick. It's high risk/high reward for McCain. We'll see how it plays out.

[T Park]

I completely agree. If you've read my prior posts, I've said that this issue should not be politicized. The simple truth is that Bristol's pregnancy says nothing about the way she was raised by her parents. She's 17 and bears responsibility for her actions. To act as if 17 year-olds are not having sex is to turn a blind eye to the realities of contemporary society. She got pregnant and her family is dealing with it. End of story.

The issues I was posting on were:

1. Why the McCain campaign felt it necessary to highlight the fact that she made the choice to keep the baby; and

2. Whether the right-wing media (e.g. Rush, Hannity, and Fox News) would give the Obama's the same privacy on this matter that others have been calling for?


1. Because I'm sure the media is salivating at the hope she would have an abortion.

BTW, she is marrying the father, so the attack dogs can chill out and hope for some other thing to attack the woman on.

Hypocrits.

[Mr. Body]

Republicans racists, sexists and bigots for years now...

whottt nailed it.

[cool hand]

:lol


Prediction: Jindal will take her place.:lmao

[Mr. Peabody]

1. Because I'm sure the media is salivating at the hope she would have an abortion.


That's my point though. She doesn't have the option of having an abortion. Her mother opposes abortion even in cases of rape or incest, so having one because you're not ready for a child is out of the question. The simple truth is that she has to keep the child. That's not necessarily a bad thing for her because that's what her family believes is the right thing to do. And I am sure that unlike other young women, she has the family structure in place to help her through this life-changing event. My issue is why give her credit for such a "choice," in light of the fact that Gov. Palin would deny others the opportunity to make the same choice.

[cool hand]

1. Because I'm sure the media is salivating at the hope she would have an abortion.

BTW, she is marrying the father, so the attack dogs can chill out and hope for some other thing to attack the woman on.

Hypocrits.



another prediction: get the fuck out of dodge neo-cons you are done:rollin

[whottt]

I like her personality better than McCain's too. As I've stated, I think she has a compelling story; one that will play well with women. I don't think she's nearly as qualified as McCain, Biden, or even Obama, but we could debate that for days (and I think we have) and get nowhere.

I understand the pick. It's high risk/high reward for McCain. We'll see how it plays out.


Depends on what you are talking about when you say qualified...

Qualified for what?

[possessed]

another prediction: get the fuck out of dodge neo-cons you are done:rollin

A nervous laugh from a person in deep denial. :sleep

[cool hand]

A nervous laugh from a person in deep denial. :sleep

:lmao, no not really nervous, just really :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

So this is her second kid?

All Palin has to do is cry when she talks about it. Crisis over.

[Mr. Peabody]

Depends on what you are talking about when you say qualified...

Qualified for what?

To assume the office of the presidency.

Again, I know we disagree on this issue and I don't know that we will reconcile those differences of opinion.

[whottt]

To assume the office of the presidency.

Again, I know we disagree on this issue and I don't know that we will reconcile those differences of opinion.



Oh well if qualifications to assume the office of the Presidency are your primary concern, then you should be voting for McCain...not Obama.

[whottt]

This is where you bring up that qualifications aren't important to you but if they were...Presidential Candidate Obama's made one more trip to Iraq than Vice Presidential Candidate Palin has...

[Mr. Peabody]

Depends on what you are talking about when you say qualified...

Qualified for what?

I think the key difference is that I think education and job experience are key aspects to being qualified. Others think that only executive experience (of any type) should matter (I'm not necessarily including you in that category).

So we can argue about who has more "experience" or is more qualified, but until we can come to an agreement about what type of experience should matter, the argument is an exercise in futility. I do appreciate the insight though.

[whottt]

Bottomline about all of this is that Obama had one thing going for him...he's likeable. Guess what, he's not as likeable as Palin is...


It's really just that simple...


And I consider that he is a Harvard educated lawyer a negative BTW...there is no shortage of those in Washington DC...they don't exactly make it a better place if you know what I mean.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

It's a 17 year-old girl going through an unplanned pregnancy in front of the national media.

This shouldn't be politicized.

:nope

But it's what jackasses like boutons do best, is it any surprise?

It's amazing, Clinton was running, and Demos insisted Chelsea should be hands off as far as any attacks go.

Here we are a couple of years later, and the libs will use anything they can to protect the Chosen One.

[Mr. Body]

Bottomline about all of this is that Obama had one thing going for him...he's likeable. Guess what, he's not as likeable as Palin is...


It's really just that simple...


And I consider that he is a Harvard educated lawyer a negative BTW...there is no shortage of those in Washington DC...they don't exactly make it a better place if you know what I mean.

This is where you say his advantage in foreign policy is simply that he is likeable to foreign leaders, but Palin is more likeable than him.

Therefore she is a better foreign leader.

Then we point out he is on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and reached across the isle to pen legislation on foreign matters.

Then I think you say something about how close Alaska and Russia are. And they've been intertwined forever, maybe even so close Alaska is still Russian.

Then we say that section of Siberia is one of the emptiest quarters in the world. As is Alaska.

And that Boston, Mass., is closer to Moscow than Juneau is.

Then you say something about Obama being a secrit mosslem and was 'raised in a madrassah' and is a queer.

[whottt]

I think the key difference is that I think education and job experience are key aspects to being qualified. Others think that only executive experience (of any type) should matter (I'm not necessarily including you in that category).

So we can argue about who has more "experience" or is more qualified, but until we can come to an agreement about what type of experience should matter, the argument is an exercise in futility. I do appreciate the insight though.

I think the key difference is that you don't have a leg to stand on...

First and foremost being because you are comparing a VP to a P. And it gets more flawed from there...


Why don't you just simply say the truth...you like Democrats better, and you are voting for Obama because you like him.



It's more logical that way...

[Mr. Peabody]

Oh well if qualifications to assume the office of the Presidency are your primary concern, then you should be voting for McCain...not Obama.

I agree that McCain is qualified. I've never said that he wasn't. In fact, I argued against those who asserted that Palin somehow has more qualifications that he does. I think that such an argument is ridiculous. I also think that Obama is qualified, given his education and prior job experience.

[jochhejaam]

Bottomline about all of this is that Obama had one thing going for him...he's likeable. Guess what, he's not as likeable as Palin is...


Regarding Palin's likeability;


The McCain campaign raised more than $10 million in the two and a half days after Alaska Governor Sarah Palin was named as the vice presidential running mate, bringing the total raised in the month of August to more than $47 million, campaign officials tell ABC News.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5700022&page=1

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Gender and race "should" be non-factors.

This coming from a poster who has played the race card on here a couple of times over anyone having the audacity to question or not get down on their knees for Obama.

Classic.

[Mr. Peabody]

I think the key difference is that you don't have a leg to stand on...

First and foremost being because you are comparing a VP to a P. And it gets more flawed from there...


Why don't you just simply say the truth...you like Democrats better, and you are voting for Obama because you like him.



It's more logical that way...

I do like Democrats better. I am a secular progressive (as O'Reilly would say). I've never denied that. If you've seen any of my posts, you'd see that it's quite evident. I do think the argument of you can't hold a VP candidate up to the same criteria you would a P candidate is questionable. What do you do if/when the VP has to assume the role of P? Do you make apologies and claim "Well, we honestly never thought she'd have to do this?". And again, I wasn't comparing her directly to Obama. I compared her to the three others on the national ticket.


I like her personality better than McCain's too. As I've stated, I think she has a compelling story; one that will play well with women. I don't think she's nearly as qualified as McCain, Biden, or even Obama, but we could debate that for days (and I think we have) and get nowhere.

I understand the pick. It's high risk/high reward for McCain. We'll see how it plays out.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Anyway...it's pretty sad to see that guys like Mr. Dio and CBF would call a girl with Native American blood in her a slut...

I never called her a slut i was playing devils advocate

Personally i dont think she's a slut i just think its laughable to think some of the religious right won't be further pushed away from the ticket because of this.

[Spurminator]

Remember when Barack Obama gave that speech when he accepted the Democratic nomination? Man that seems like forever ago...

[Mr. Peabody]

Regarding Palin's likeability;





Link (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/01/MNUU12M0N6.DTL)
In an office park across from the city-size Mall of America in Bloomington - the country's largest retail center - GOP pollster Frank Luntz was holed up with 24 undecided Midwestern voters as part of an American Association of Retired Persons focus group to gauge the mood on issues and candidates as the convention is about to begin.

"You're representative of Middle America," he told them. "You're supposed to be Middle America."

Tough Midwest crowd

Luntz had asked the group - which included nurses, teachers and retirees - to react on a "second-by-second basis" to campaign ads and the statements of presidential and vice presidential nominees.

Voters in Luntz's focus group here, by a more than 2-to-1 ratio, were negative on Palin, McCain's VP pick. Though they expressed respect for the Alaska governor and interest and admiration in her life story, they said she is not experienced enough for the office.

Luntz said his gathering underscores that Midwest voters could be a tough sell to both Republicans and Democrats.

Indeed, the mood of Midwest voters appears to be one of deep concern - for the future, on the economy, on energy - and some are even grim.

Nearly all raised their hands when asked if the country is in a recession.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Um...the sexist ones wre the liberals in this election. The Democrats and Obama were the ones trashing Hillary...not McCain.
laughable
I find it hard to believe alabama red necks selling tshirts with sexist slogans were all liberal. Etc, Etc. The sexism goes across the board.

You make it sound like the bad things Obama supporters say about Hilary weren't also said by Repubs, and the bad things Hilary supporters said about Obama weren't also said by Repubs.

They were. You talk of nbadan, boutons, etc, how bout tpark, gtown, etc.

[Tully365]

"This shouldn't be politicized."

Nor should sex between consulting adults.

You really think the Repugs wouldn't run with this like freight train if a Dem candidate's under-aged kid came up pregnant?

When the non-Repugs reflect the Repug slime/slander tactics back at the Repugs, the Repug whine like the little bitches they are.

McJerk doesn't even know Palin, met her once before taking her at veep. Shows his great care in large decision-making.

She was not vetted at all. She had the qualifications only as bait for McJerk's targeted constituencies: radical-right, evangelical, pro-BigOil, pro-drill-all-over-Alaska, creationist, anti-scientific, etc. Experience and competence need not apply. epitomized by: "You're Doing a Heckuva Job, Brownie"

As always with the Repugs, ideology and get-elected-at-any-cost by any slime/slander tactics reigns before competence and real qualifications.

The point is that if you find certain types of behavior slimy and slanderous,
maybe it would be better to rise above them and improve on them, rather than imitating them to perfection, which gives the impression that maybe you view those characteristics as somehow admirable since you've chosen to adopt them.

[jochhejaam]

Frank Luntz was holed up with 24 undecided Midwestern voters

A whole 24 people? Wow, that's a credible sample for a Country of 300,000,000. :lol

That amounts to nothing more than a tainted whisper, and you have the audacity to post that in response to the $10.5 million in 2 days, the Palin selection brought into the McCain campaign? :lol

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Who cares this is a non story. She is doing the right thing.

[whottt]

Personally i dont think she's a slut i just think its laughable to think some of the religious right won't be further pushed away from the ticket because of this.

Some of them will be...good for the Republicans if they get rid of some of the shitheads.

You guys are the ones saying McCain is the same as Bush...

The problem is the Democrats are comprised entirely of those sorts of shitheads...and they have them in leadership positions.

[whottt]

They were. You talk of nbadan, boutons, etc, how bout tpark, gtown, etc.

TPark hardly posts in the political forum and no one knows what gtown is tallking about half the fucking time...I had a like a 10 page flame war with gtown in this forum.


It's laughable that you would somehow insinuate that I agree with them or am allied with them...ask them if they think that.




Meanwhile, boutons and Nbadan never shut the fuck up...never.
And that is typical of the Democrat party.

[PixelPusher]

A whole 24 people? Wow, that's a credible sample for a Country of 300,000,000. :lol

That amounts to nothing more than a tainted whisper, and you have the audacity to post that in response to the $10.5 million in 2 days, the Palin selection brought into the McCain campaign? :lol

You confuse "all Americans" with "Republican donors".

No one disputes that socially conservative Republicans like her, but you guys were going to vote McCain over Obama anyway.

[whottt]

I don't really appreciate being called the close minded one...I can sit and show you I am considering voting for Obama...even though I never thought he was going to win. Becuase of the anti-American shit...

The same shit that you guys pulled that got W re-elected.


Do you realize there is no fucking way in hell Bush should have been re-elected and the only reason he was is because you guys were fucking clueless.


IT wasn't a victory for you guys that eledction was so close...it was a humiliating defead...it should have been a landslide in your favor, and it would have been if you guys had been capable of anything other than attacking and politicizing the war.

The Republican did it? Then should you guys taken the same stance...and you didn't, and it put you on the wrongside of America.

Just like right now...the Republicans decied not to oppsoe you guys...ya'll went with a minority candidate, and the Republicans instead of opposing included...that is openmindedness...not mindless opposition.


None of you fuckers that are anti-Republican have said a halfway decent word about anyone one close to a traditional Republican in over 4 years.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Some of them will be...good for the Republicans if they get rid of some of the shitheads.

You guys are the ones saying McCain is the same as Bush...

The problem is the Democrats are comprised entirely of those sorts of shitheads...and they have them in leadership positions.

I guess that's just where we differ. I see them having shitheads on both sides all the same.

[Tully365]

Teen preganancy has no boundaries and it happens to well-off familes just like it does to everyone else.

Exactly. Sorry, but political philosophies and religion very often don't trump the hormones of teenagers.

Anyone remember Romeo and Juliet?

This forum is pathetic. Regardless of what side of the political aisle you call home, you should consider this: If you have a seething hatred in your brain and heart for every American who belongs to a different political party from you, then you are really fooling yourself if you think you are a good American.

[whottt]

I guess that's just where we differ. I see them having shitheads on both sides all the same.



The Republican shitheads were pushed to the side long ago. Like in the 90's.


W and Cheney getting elected the first time was a mistake, the second time they got elected was the failure of the Democratic Party.


Because they ceased to be the Democratic Party and instead became the Anti-Bush party.


And McCain is not Bush...


And every time you guys make a crack about his age, that is discrimination.

[clambake]

it' not a big deal. however, they should cancel the impending "bubba hick shotgun wedding" that will be doomed to fail.

[Mr. Body]

I'm not a big fan of Frank Luntz and focus groups. Luntz is pretty hard right. And focus groups are easily swayed one way or another, and by each other.

[boutons_]

"boutons and Nbadan never shut the fuck up...never."

You love, you REALLY love me! :lol

GFY. It's a libertarian-ly free country, right?

If you don't like people posting here, nuke 'em and STFU. Fucking dickless whiner, faux Macho Man, bitching about dissent in a political forum. GMAFB

[whottt]

"boutons and Nbadan never shut the fuck up...never."

You love, you REALLY love me! :lol

GFY. It's a libertarian-ly free country, right?

If you don't like people posting here, nuke 'em and STFU. Fucking dickless whiner, faux Macho Man, bitching about dissent in a political forum. GMAFB


What you do isn't dissent...it's either deliberate disinformation, or legitimate stupidity, but don't call it dissent...dissent isn't almost completely dishonest, and always SLANTED.




And sure you got free speech, freedom of speech also includes me being able to say that I wish you would shut the fuck up. Why would you deny me my right to say you should shut the fuck up?

[Brutalis]

Wow at the panties in a bundle. I was fucking kidding. Wowza.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

The Republican shitheads were pushed to the side long ago. Like in the 90's.


W and Cheney getting elected the first time was a mistake, the second time they got elected was the failure of the Democratic Party.


Because they ceased to be the Democratic Party and instead became the Anti-Bush party.


And McCain is not Bush...


And every time you guys make a crack about his age, that is discrimination.

If you're saying Democrats can't run an election because of their shitty tactics I completely agree, I talked about this earlier.

[Supergirl]

LOL I love it when right wing nut jobs are exposed for being idiots and frauds.

Sarah Palin's daughter has just provided a great example for why abstinence-only education FAILS.

BTW, when used correctly, birth control is about 99% effective against preventing pregnancy. Condoms (when used correctly) are only about 85% effective, but are about 99% effective against preventing disease transmission.

[Ignignokt]

LOL I love it when right wing nut jobs are exposed for being idiots and frauds.

Sarah Palin's daughter has just provided a great example for why abstinence-only education FAILS.

BTW, when used correctly, birth control is about 99% effective against preventing pregnancy. Condoms (when used correctly) are only about 85% effective, but are about 99% effective against preventing disease transmission.

btw when used correctly, abstinance is 100% effective against preventing pregnancy.

Your argument is moot.

Let parents raise their children however they want. i was raised to abstain. Didn't need a counselor to tell me that condoms existed.

[Mr. Body]

Abstinence-only sex education is not.

[boutons_]

Bristol is 5 months "Knocked Up", so did McJerk and his vetting process approve the hyper-qualified Palin with this knowledge?,

or did Palin hide the info?

Either way, one huge, distracting fuckup by McJerk and his campaign staff.

[Buddy Holly]

btw when used correctly, abstinance is 100% effective against preventing pregnancy.

You abstained but you don't even know how to spell abstinence correctly?

Anyway, abstinence isn't 100%, human error knocks that done to 3% fail proof. :lol

[Buddy Holly]

Bristol is 5 months "Knocked Up", so did McJerk and his vetting process approve the hyper-qualified Palin with this knowledge?,

or did Palin hide the info?

Either way, one huge, distracting fuckup by McJerk and his campaign staff.

If you honestly think there was any vetting process, you're crazy.

[Biernutz]

What is all this hell raised about how a family handles a teen pregnancy.

Sarah Palin's family elected to have the baby, so you know how they chose to handle it.

Barack Obama has stated that his daughters should not have to pay for a "mistake". It sounds like his daughter would get a abortion.

Obama was born when his mom was 18. So you know how his parents handled it. So should we open up the can of worms about his parents now?

Let it all die!!!!!!! Move on to something more important in the campaign.

[MannyIsGod]

Why are we hearing more about Palin's enlisted son who is on his way to Iraq?

Is he pregnant too?

[Mr. Body]

Bristol is 5 months "Knocked Up", so did McJerk and his vetting process approve the hyper-qualified Palin with this knowledge?,

or did Palin hide the info?

Either way, one huge, distracting fuckup by McJerk and his campaign staff.

It's a stumper, ain't it?

It sounds like Palin failed to mention it. And because McCain failed to vet her, or even send a minion up to Alaska to poke around, it was news to them.

Story was, the Palin clan flew down to Arizona on Friday to meet the McCains right before the announcement. McCain had already offered her the spot over the phone.

Reports are they got along well in one of Cindy McCain's palaces. But can you imagine old John's reaction when old Preggers Bristol walks in with a blanket wrapped around her waist? Good God!

:rollin

[George Gervin's Afro]

why is this even an issue?

[Buddy Holly]

What is all this hell raised about how a family handles a teen pregnancy.

Sarah Palin's family elected to have the baby, so you know how they chose to handle it.

Barack Obama has stated that his daughters should not have to pay for a "mistake". It sounds like his daughter would get a abortion.

Obama was born when his mom was 18. So you know how his parents handled it. So should we open up the can of worms about his parents now?

Let it all die!!!!!!! Move on to something more important in the campaign.

Nice way to take Obama out of context.

The "mistake" he meant was have sex at 16.


The exchange appeared to be prompted by Obama’s earlier comments that he does not favor abstinence-only education, but rather comprehensive sexual education that includes information on abstinence and birth control.

“Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old,” he said. “I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.”

Basically, he wants his daughters to use protection when/if they make the mistake of having sex at such a young age. AKA, he's for sex education and protection and not the "save yourself til marriage" stuff. You see, he's realistic and also smart to tell them to use protection.

Now you know.

[Buddy Holly]

why is this even an issue?

Probably because her mother is pro-abstinence yet can't even get her own daughter to follow suit.

[Biernutz]

Nice way to take Obama out of context.

The "mistake" he meant was have sex at 16.



Basically, he wants his daughters to use protection when/if they make the mistake of having sex. AKA, he's for sex education and protection and not the "save yourself til marriage" stuff.

Now you know.


Yeah he said it's O.K. to get out the coat hanger!

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah he said it's O.K. to get out the coat hanger!Nah, medical abortions don't use those.

[Buddy Holly]

Yeah he said it's O.K. to get out the coat hanger!

What? Are you brain dead?

[whottt]

So are you guys attempting to claim that parents that advocate birth control have less unplanned pregnancy?


I bet you're wrong on that.

[Buddy Holly]

So are you guys attempting to claim that parents that advocate birth control have less unplanned pregnancy?


I bet you're wrong on that.

So would you rather they not wear protection?

I honestly think people who preach "abstinence" just completely forget what it was like when they were 14, 15, or 16 years old.

[MannyIsGod]

LOL @ this thread. So funny.

[01.20.09]

Will she make the cover of OK magazine?

http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2007-12/34381477.jpg

[Biernutz]

What? Are you brain dead?

Does Obama support abortion as a freedom of choice? Yes or No?

[Buddy Holly]

Does Obama support abortion as a freedom of choice? Yes or No?

Yes he does.

But what does that have to do with the statement you quoted?

He was talking about teaching his children to use protection so they don't get pregnant or an STD.

Again, are you brain dead?

[Buddy Holly]

http://www.libchrist.com/sexed/abstinanceMn.html


01/04/2004 - The state's $5 million abstinence-only sex education program isn't working, according to an independent study commissioned by the Minnesota Department of Health. The study found that sexual activity among junior high kids at three schools where the program was taught doubled between 2001 and 2002 -- a pattern similar to that exhibited by kids statewide -- and that the number who said they would probably have sex during high school nearly doubled, as well. The state's five-year-old abstinence-only initiative has been taught to 45,000 Minnesota kids and is funded by state and federal dollars.

[01.20.09]

1. Because I'm sure the media is salivating at the hope she would have an abortion.

BTW, she is marrying the father, so the attack dogs can chill out and hope for some other thing to attack the woman on.

Hypocrits.

Did you jump on the "Jamie Lynn Spears is white trash" bandwagon like so many conservatives did?

[Biernutz]

Yes he does.

But what does that have to do with the statement you quoted?

He was talking about teaching his children to use protection so they don't get pregnant or an STD.

Again, are you brain dead?


Would his teen have a baby or would he support an abortion to end the pregnancy?

[Buddy Holly]

http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/007772.html


Studies have shown that abstinence-only education does virtually nothing to prevent kids from having sex; the most recent one, released in April 2007, revealed that about half of all kids in both comprehensive and abstinence-only sex education programs had had sex by the end of the study period, and more than a third of both groups had had two or more partners.


The US has one of the highest teen pregnancy rates in the developed world--almost twice as high as those of England, Wales and Canada, and eight times as high as those of the Netherlands and Japan, despite similar levels of sexual activity. It's time for the US to abandon programs that don't work and try something new: Comprehensive, medically accurate, non-condescending sex education.

[Buddy Holly]

Would his teen have a baby or would he support an abortion to end the pregnancy?

He would support his teen daughter's choice.

You get it? He wants to enable her with the choice. How hard is that for some people to understand?

You lame fucks paint it as if he's ready to throw her down some stairs the moment his daughter tells him she's pregnant.

[Biernutz]

http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/007772.html



Quoting crap on birth control from a web site doesn't change a thing. Each family handles things the way they want. Once again move on to more compelling issue instead its bad for Palin's daughter to have a teen pregnancy but it's o.k. for Obama to be born to a teen mother.

[Buddy Holly]

I could care less about Palin's daughter being pregnant. I'm not judging her. I know women who have gotten pregnant at a young age. Hell, I went to high school where a 13 year old was pregnant. I know it's a fact of life that young women get pregnant whether on purpose or accident.

Some too scared to buy condoms, others clueless in thinking "pulling out" works. I am speaking for both male and female here. They need the proper education in this field and not the "close your eyes, cover you ears and pretend it doesn't happen" approach.

The only thing I'm making an issue with his Sarah Palin's "abstinence only" morals which basically fell flat. Yet she'll probably still preach it to no end.

Aside from not, this is all a non-issue.

[Buddy Holly]

[LEFT]Quoting crap on birth control from a web site doesn't change a thing.

Yeah, that study is pure crap... :lol

Live in your own little bubble.

[Wild Cobra]

Wow... after hearing this announced during the convention, I was surprised there are so many posts on subject. Then as I read them, I see many of them are petty bickering. With so many, I just quickly skimmed them, and here's a bunch I'm replying to. I may have missed some, but I wasn't going to thoroughly read so many.



Why wasn't she doing evangelical's failed wet dream of Abstinence Only birth control. Didn't she take the abstinence pledge?

I'm sure they did teach abstinence in the home, at least it's most likely they did. Even at that, you have the Department of Education that forces certain programs down kids throats. They teach that Birth control works when it is far from perfect.



Bristol is now the poster child for the FAILURE of the "Christian" supremacists' Abstinence Only bullshit, which dubya dumped a couple $B into, and Palin's highly effective mothering. :lol

Wrong. All kids are rebellious by nature. No matter how well brought up, nobody is perfect. Even we adult conservatives fail to always practice as we believe is right. A major defining thing is what we do when we fuck-up. We conservatives generally take responsibility rather than blame someone else like you libtards.

Why are your problems always president Bush's fault?


It's a 17 year-old girl going through an unplanned pregnancy in front of the national media.

This shouldn't be politicized.

:nope
I agree. If she wants to speak on the subject, then let her. Nobody should hound her though.


For someone that is so against abortion, she failed to instill in her children the value of birth control.

I don't think this should be held against her though
Really? Are also under the false assumption that birth control doesn't fail?


The only reason they pushed the news break for this was that they're hoping it will be pushed to the background by Gustav.
LOL... you think? No way. Gustav hit with a glancing blow and hit as a cat 2. I'm surprised there was as much coverage of the storm as there was.

Think about it. They were likely keeping it secret till after the election. I do believe them when they say they announced it to dispel the lies propagating about Palin's most recent son.

Thing is, you libtards believe those leftist lies all the time. Maybe now, you will do as I have asked all along....

VERIFY!

Start being a bit wiser on your posts and I will stop calling you guys LIBeral reTARDs!


Yes, you do not understand. Read the first line of my post.

"...the democratic party is not notorious for pushing a "holier than thou" group of voters behind a "we are religious and moral therefore the only real americans" mindset."
A liberal who has a kid at 17, well, conservatives can look down on that, but liberals are liberals and by definition, big deal.

No, we look down on those who make poor choices around the subject, and cannot financially deal with a child, and/or have a missing father. In this case, as inconvenient as it is for all involved, the child will have the proper financial support and loving family.



A conservative who has a kid at 17...its hypocritical for a another conservative to gloss over this.

Why? We are not perfect. We make mistakes. We applaud those who do the best they can in dealing with their mistakes.



Get it? You have to keep in mind where liberals and conservatives come from.
Yes:

Liberal = not my fault, not my responsibility, etc.

Conservative = Ooops... I made a mistake, What can I do to make good on it, etc.



I think she's qualified to be VP...I actually like her better than McCain. Matter of fact...she has probably swung me to voting for McCain.

I agree with you here. Before, I was going to vote for Bob Barr. Now I will support John McCain.



I'm actually not afraid of this woman becoming President at all.

Neither am I. Never was, never will be. Anyone who doesn't play the race or gender card and has executive experience is qualified in my eyes. That still doesn't mean I like their politics!


That's my point though. She doesn't have the option of having an abortion. Her mother opposes abortion even in cases of rape or incest, so having one because you're not ready for a child is out of the question. The simple truth is that she has to keep the child. That's not necessarily a bad thing for her because that's what her family believes is the right thing to do. And I am sure that unlike other young women, she has the family structure in place to help her through this life-changing event. My issue is why give her credit for such a "choice," in light of the fact that Gov. Palin would deny others the opportunity to make the same choice.
You know you're wrong, don't you?

She could have had an abortion and her parents would have never known.



LOL I love it when right wing nut jobs are exposed for being idiots and frauds.

No, it is your perception of conservatives that is being proven to be wrong.



Sarah Palin's daughter has just provided a great example for why abstinence-only education FAILS.

Really? You mean the Department of Education let her schools teach abstinence only?



BTW, when used correctly, birth control is about 99% effective against preventing pregnancy. Condoms (when used correctly) are only about 85% effective, but are about 99% effective against preventing disease transmission.

Dah-Dah...

We have a winner!

Not 100% effective!

Ever stop to consider that she used birth control?

[Biernutz]

Yeah, that study is pure crap... :lol

Live in your own little bubble.

Anyone can find a study on the internet to support their side of any discussion. Ain't the internet grand. Thanks Al Gore!

[Buddy Holly]

Then it'll be no problem for you to find a study supporting your side.

Yes, the internet is grand. Now go, go find the easily findable study,

[Biernutz]

Then it'll be no problem for you to find a study supporting your side.

Yes, the internet is grand. Now go, go find the easily findable study,

I don't need a $1 billion government study to tell you this. You can tell teen's how to have safe sex but just remember one thing, teen's are teen's and they will do pretty much what the want to do. That includes safe sex and abstinence. When you become a teen you will see.

[MannyIsGod]

Obviously we're in this situation because of the movie Juno. Pallin let her daughter watch it and she figured teenage pregnancy was cool!

[ChumpDumper]

I know a 30-year old who got knocked up because of that movie.

[Mr Dio]

btw when used correctly, abstinance is 100% effective against preventing pregnancy.
Your argument is moot.

Let parents raise their children however they want. i was raised to abstain. Didn't need a counselor to tell me that condoms existed.



1) It didn't help your mom when she was raped & had you. (I do feel sorry for her though.)

2) You didn't abstain as much as the dudes in your middle school find you ugly. :lol

[Mr. Peabody]

Obviously we're in this situation because of the movie Juno. Pallin let her daughter watch it and she figured teenage pregnancy was cool!

Honest to blog?






It should be noted that I just saw it today with my wife, which it how I know the dialogue

[MrChug]

Bristol Palin sounds like a pharameutical company.

DAMNIT! I just bought stock in that, you mean it's not!?!? Shit.

[boutons_]

McSame's mucky-mucks admit that they vetted Palin in person, and learned about the pregnancy.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

McSame's mucky-mucks admit that they vetted Palin in person, and learned about the pregnancy.

And you still hate her. This is pretty comical. boutons, your panties haven't been in this big a bunch since Bush got re-elected.

[Wild Cobra]

And you still hate her. This is pretty comical. boutons, your panties haven't been in this big a bunch since Bush got re-elected.

He just sees that the Dali-Bama's chances of winning are getting slim!

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Obviously we're in this situation because of the movie Juno. Pallin let her daughter watch it and she figured teenage pregnancy was cool!

:lmao MannyisFunny


I think one of the more interesting aspects of this weekend's spurstalk political hullabaloo is ChumpDumper's responses in these threads. Still not sure where he's coming from but he's taking no prisoners.

[clambake]

it's sad that they are forcing a shotgun marriage on their kid for the sake of running with mccain.

[Wild Cobra]

it's sad that they are forcing a shotgun marriage on their kid for the sake of running with mccain.
It wouldn't surprise me if there was a great deal of pressure, but far from a shotgun wedding.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

it's sad that they are forcing a shotgun marriage on their kid for the sake of running with mccain.

Shotgun wedding? There was an article earlier today that said the daughter has been engaged for a couple of months now.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

It wouldn't surprise me if there was a great deal of pressure, but far from a shotgun wedding.

Actually, it sounds like a textbook definition of a shotgun wedding.

[Wild Cobra]

Actually, it sounds like a textbook definition of a shotgun wedding.
No.

In times past, the father would literally force the man to marry his daughter. If the wouldn't, he would kill him. There was then no shame in the family because it was true that the babies daddy had died.

[Mr. Peabody]

Shotgun wedding? There was an article earlier today that said the daughter has been engaged for a couple of months now.

I'm sure the "engagement" had nothing to do with the pregnancy. Teenagers are always looking to get married at the first opportunity. Damn teenagers, always trying to get married!

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

No.

In times past, the father would literally force the man to marry his daughter. If the wouldn't, he would kill him. There was then no shame in the family because it was true that the babies daddy had died.

So what does the term mean today?

[Mr. Peabody]

So what does the term mean today?

Don't you get it? It means the same thing today. When people use the term, they still mean situations where the father literally shoots the son-in-law. You can't tell me you've heard it used in any other way.

[Wild Cobra]

So what does the term mean today?
Today, it's just a figure of speech in most parts. There still may be some who practice it though!

Any hill-billies out there?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Yep, a figure of speech(idiom) that means:

A shotgun marriage, or shotgun wedding, is one that is forced because of pregnancy.
A wedding in which the bride is already pregnant.
A marriage that is forced or necessitated because of pregnancy.
An agreement or compromise made out of necessity.

So, shotgun wedding works just fine in this instance.

[Wild Cobra]

Yep, a figure of speech(idiom) that means:

A shotgun marriage, or shotgun wedding, is one that is forced because of pregnancy.
A wedding in which the bride is already pregnant.
A marriage that is forced or necessitated because of pregnancy.
An agreement or compromise made out of necessity.

So, shotgun wedding works just fine in this instance.

I jumped in when you said "textbook."

It is a figurative shotgun wedding.

[PixelPusher]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09012008/news/nationalnews/palin_admits_her_17_year_old_daughter_is_127025.ht m
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Palin and her husband, Todd, said their daughter plans to marry the child's father - who sources said is Levi Johnston - and that both "are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family."
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On his MySpace page, Johnston boasts, "I'm a f - - -in' redneck" who likes to snowboard and ride dirt bikes.

"But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some s- - - and just f - - -in' chillin' I guess."

"Ya f - - - with me I'll kick [your] ass," he added.

He also claims to be "in a relationship," but states, "I don't want kids."

Getting married may be the "appropriate" thing to do, but it isn't going to solve their problems. Levi's gonna have to grow up real quick.

[PixelPusher]

I jumped in when you said "textbook."

It is a figurative shotgun wedding.

He was using the term "textbook definition" as a figure of speech. Trust me, you're the only one here who assumed actual shotguns were involved.

[baseline bum]

So do they get divorced when Obama gets elected?

[Wild Cobra]

Getting married may be the "appropriate" thing to do, but it isn't going to solve their problems. Levi's gonna have to grow up real quick.
I might believe it if they linked the Myspace page so we could see for ourselves. I did searches, and couldn't find the page. Google and Alta Vista would point to pages even if they were removed! No search hits to Myspace!

[ChumpDumper]

Today weddings are more likely to be semi-automatic.

[whottt]

Not to rain on anyones parade here but Palin supports birth control(other than abortions) and isn't in favor of introducing anti-abortion legislation. I know that fucks everyone up...but her anti-abortion stance is her personal belief system and not her political ambition.


I'd post a link but you guys won't believe it unless it comes from the Daily Kos anyway...so what would be the point?

[JohnnyMarzetti]

Not to rain on anyones parade here but Palin supports birth control(other than abortions) and isn't in favor of introducing anti-abortion legislation. I know that fucks everyone up...but her anti-abortion stance is her personal belief system and not her political ambition.


I'd post a link but you guys won't believe it unless it comes from the Daily Kos anyway...so what would be the point?

Well since it is not her political ambition that would make her pro-choice.

[JohnnyMarzetti]

Obviously we're in this situation because of the movie Juneau. Pallin let her daughter watch it and she figured teenage pregnancy was cool!


Fixed.

[whottt]

And while we're on this subject...


I personally am not in favor of the birth control pill...because of my own personal observation.


Every woman I've ever known before she got on the pill turned into a complete bitch after she got on the pill. In fact you could almost say they stopped acting like women.

Just a personal observation...

[PixelPusher]

Not to rain on anyones parade here but Palin supports birth control(other than abortions) and isn't in favor of introducing anti-abortion legislation. I know that fucks everyone up...but her anti-abortion stance is her personal belief system and not her political ambition.


I'd post a link but you guys won't believe it unless it comes from the Daily Kos anyway...so what would be the point?
The McCain campaign would appreciate it if you kept that one on the down low; they don't want to lose the social conservatives' enthusiasm they just acquired.

[JohnnyMarzetti]

And while we're on this subject...


I personally am not in favor of the birth control pill...because of my own personal observation.


Every woman I've ever known before she got on the pill turned into a complete bitch after she got on the pill. In fact you could almost say they stopped acting like women.

Just a personal observation...

It wasn't the pill that turned them into a bitch.

[PixelPusher]

And while we're on this subject...


I personally am not in favor of the birth control pill...because of my own personal observation.


Every woman I've ever known before she got on the pill turned into a complete bitch after she got on the pill. In fact you could almost say they stopped acting like women.

Just a personal observation...
Hormones. lol


The Pill may put you off smell of your man and ruin your relationship (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article4516566.ece)

Mark Henderson, Science Editor

To millions of women it has been the great liberator over the past four decades, allowing them the freedom to control their fertility and their relationships. But the contraceptive Pill could also be responsible for skewing their hormones and attracting them to the “wrong” partner.

A study by British scientists suggests that taking the Pill can change a woman’s taste in men — to those who are genetically less compatible.

The research found that the Pill can alter the type of male scent that women find most attractive, which may in turn affect the kind of men they choose as partners. It suggests that the popular form of contraception — used by a quarter of British women aged between 16 and 50 — could have implications for fertility and relationship breakdowns.

The findings, from a team at the University of Liverpool, add to growing evidence that the hormones in the Pill influence the way that women assess male sexual attractiveness.
{snip, cont.}

[whottt]

The McCain campaign would appreciate it if you kept that one on the down low; they don't want to lose the social conservatives' enthusiasm they just acquired.

Eh...she walks the walk, I am sure they will be quite happy with her over that.

[whottt]

Hormones. lol


Holy shit...


That explains so fucking much it isn't even funny.


Thanks for that link...I got some I told you so's to dispense now.

[Wild Cobra]

OK, I found the MySpace links for Bristol (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=145055687) and Levi (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=216482927), but I have no way of knowing they beling to the two people we are talking about. Bristols is a page never worked on. No friends added and dated 1/13/07 as her last log in. Levi's is dated 7/21/07 for a last log in and is private. I found the link from a search listing it as the entry. It could be any "levi" from Alaska, or made up. There is no way of knowing if these two pages even beling to the new couple, or if someone made them in the past as a joke like these:

Bristol Palin (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=410018736)

Bisto Palin's Baby (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=176097566)

Even if the My Space is correct for Levi, remember how much we changed in 15 months from the age of 16 to 17? If the entry was true even, it might just be something written to impress friends.

Point is, we really don't know. It's not worth focusing on, rather they should be given the benifit of the doubt.

Those of you who continue to focus on finding bad in people are of the worse our society have to offer. You guys are flat out evil.

Now here is someything to consider...

Since the link is private for the profile since at least 7/21/07, how did any of the media get to see the profile?

[whottt]

It wasn't the pill that turned them into a bitch.

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

Those of you who continue to focus on finding bad in people are of the worse our society have to offer. You guys are flat out evil.:lol

You should really read your own posts sometime.

[Wild Cobra]

:lol

You should really read your own posts sometime.
I'll admit that I should have worded that better. Shouldn't people who have no effect on your life be left alone?

[PixelPusher]

OK, I found the MySpace links for Bristol (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=145055687) and Levi (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=216482927), but I have no way of knowing they beling to the two people we are talking about. Bristols is a page never worked on. No friends added and dated 1/13/07 as her last log in. Levi's is dated 7/21/07 for a last log in and is private. I found the link from a search listing it as the entry. It could be any "levi" from Alaska, or made up. There is no way of knowing if these two pages even beling to the new couple, or if someone made them in the past as a joke like these:

Bristol Palin (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=410018736)

Bisto Palin's Baby (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=176097566)

Even if the My Space is correct for Levi, remember how much we changed in 15 months from the age of 16 to 17? If the entry was true even, it might just be something written to impress friends.

Point is, we really don't know. It's not worth focusing on, rather they should be given the benifit of the doubt.

Those of you who continue to focus on finding bad in people are of the worse our society have to offer. You guys are flat out evil.
Yeah, the fact that he's 17 and says dumb shit on his myspace page isn't the sum total of his character, but it doesn't bode well all the same.

I've been to one of these young kids weddings. It sucked because the whole time the minister was going on about the sanctity of marriage and making God a part of their marriage, I and most of the people in attendance knew it wasn't going to work. It didn't.

[ChumpDumper]

I thought you were going to say all their friends were texting each other during the ceremony.

[PixelPusher]

I thought you were going to say all their friends were texting each other during the ceremony.

it was back in 1998, texting wasn't "in" yet.

[TDMVPDPOY]

still that dude is one lucky sob, cougar and milf in one house :D

[Mr. Peabody]

And while we're on this subject...


I personally am not in favor of the birth control pill...because of my own personal observation.


Every woman I've ever known before she got on the pill turned into a complete bitch after she got on the pill. In fact you could almost say they stopped acting like women.

Just a personal observation...

Go ahead. Keep it up. They love it when you call them that.:lol

[Anti.Hero]

LOL @ any lib attacking the daughter.

Take one look at Bama's mom and stfu haha

[clambake]

LOL @ any lib attacking the daughter.

Take one look at Bama's mom and stfu haha

they're not attacking the kid. they're attacking the mom that's forcing her kid to get married so she can run as mccains VP.

nope. no "family first" arguments in this house.

[Anti.Hero]

Daughter fucked up. Politics is a business. Stupid kid should have realized what was at stake.


Palin could have been like Obammassiah and said "I dun wunna punish my daughta wit a baby!"

[spurster]

I'm simply boggled by how McCain has bungled this. I guess the whole situation appeals to the religious right, but it has got to hurt otherwise. Having problems running your family does not make a good argument that you can run a country.

[Mr. Body]

Daughter fucked up. Politics is a business. Stupid kid should have realized what was at stake.

I'm sure this was Sarah Palin's take, too. Can you imagine her going to town on her daughter? "How DARE YOU interfere with MY CAREER, you lousy BITCH!! Take it in your POOPER like a GOOD ABSTINENT CHRISTIAN, goddammit!"

[JoeChalupa]

LOL @ any lib attacking the daughter.

Take one look at Bama's mom and stfu haha

I concur.
I know IF one of my daughter's became pregnant NO WAY would I agree to an abortion. That being said I, yes as a so called liberal, do preach abstinence in my home. Yeah, that's right. I may be pro-choice but I am against teens having sex.
I run a very conservative home although I'm a progressive thinker.

[Anti.Hero]

I'm simply boggled by how McCain has bungled this. I guess the whole situation appeals to the religious right, but it has got to hurt otherwise. Having problems running your family does not make a good argument that you can run a country.

She ran Alaska pretty damn well.

But you're right. That's not nearly as presidential as catch phrases and messiah like auras.


LMFAO.


Palin does nothing but highlight the lunacy of Obama.

[Mr. Peabody]

She ran Alaska pretty damn well.

But you're right. That's not nearly as presidential as catch phrases and messiah like auras.


LMFAO.


Palin does nothing but highlight the lunacy of Obama.

What? You mean Alaska prospered while oil was at record-level prices? No friggin' way.:wow

[JoeChalupa]

She ran Alaska pretty damn well.

But you're right. That's not nearly as presidential as catch phrases and messiah like auras.


LMFAO.


Palin does nothing but highlight the lunacy of Obama.

Not to mention the "roll the dice" judgment of McCain.

[Mr. Body]

In her term in the governorship, teenage pregnancies have exploded in her household.

[JoeChalupa]

In her term in the governorship, teenage pregnancies have exploded in her household.

But so have marriage proposals so it is all good.

[Anti.Hero]

What? You mean Alaska prospered while oil was at record-level prices? No friggin' way.:wow

Prospered? Making enough for the state to re-invest the money into a state savings account.

Yeah, prospered is a good word. Thx.


You act as if she can do anything about oil prices? You must have missed the part where they are so tied up in enviroloser bullshit all they can do is sit on their hands. The rest of the country is like that too. I wonder how many of them actually got off their ass and started to attack the problem though? Polar Bears aren't endangered homie!

With congress going on vacation and coming up with absolutely no solution other than to pump policy to inflate Pelosi's future investments...what can a small-town gal from Alaska hope to do??? LOL

[Mr. Body]

Ted Stevens turned the US government into a cash cow for Alaska.