Gov. Palin's speech tonight.

[JoeChalupa]

Who else will be watching? I'll will and I'm also looking forward to Rudy's speech as well. I think she'll do a good job at speaking to her base and firing them up.
Good luck Sarah.

[I Love Me Some Me]

She should start by taking those glasses off, and letting her hair fall down. rrrrraaaarrrrrr!!!!

[Mr. Body]

She will fire them up. It'll be fairly bland but hit all the rah-rah points. She'll say, "Yes I'm ready to be president if needed. Yup, yup!"

[romad_20]

She'll get a "rise" out of the crowd. Zing

[ChumpDumper]

All she needs to do is cry when talking about her daughter and McCain will have this election wrapped up.

[AFBlue]

I'll be watching for sure, and what I'll be looking for is a reintroduction into who she is (better, more concise speech than Ohio)....

And then I'll actually be looking for some edgy talk. I would love for her to go after the media and after those who have questioned her experience.

In my mind, she needs to come across as a bit tough...because at this point the whole "hockey mom" thing isn't going to carry. She needs to convince people she's capable of being a VP and acting presidential.

[Mr. Body]

She's a big fighter, that's a huge part of her bio.

[I Love Me Some Me]

I'll be watching for sure, and what I'll be looking for is a reintroduction into who she is (better, more concise speech than Ohio)....

And then I'll actually be looking for some edgy talk. I would love for her to go after the media and after those who have questioned her experience.

In my mind, she needs to come across as a bit tough...because at this point the whole "hockey mom" thing isn't going to carry. She needs to convince people she's capable of being a VP and acting presidential.

This is so true, and really what I expect. She needs to come balls out, blast the media, defend her family, defend her beliefs, neutralize her own inexperience with that of Obama's, and show that she's ready to go toe-to-toe with Biden.

What I see tonight will go a long way in making up my mind about her.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I'm looking forward to her speech. I think a lot of people aren't giving her the benefit of the doubt. I'm not completely sold on this ticket, or her, so we'll see. It's funny though. I don't really see any reports of any Greek temple built for tonight speech. Silly me.

[Spurminator]

All she needs to do is cry when talking about her daughter and McCain will have this election wrapped up.

Palin visibly holding back tears is a stone cold lock tonight.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Palin visibly holding back tears is a stone cold lock tonight.
i don't know about that. she's more of a man then a lot of other men in washington or anywhere else for that matter.

[JoeChalupa]

The Barracuda will not be shedding any tears but look for them in the crowd.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

The Barackuda!!
ORALE, QUE SI!!!!!!

[Anti.Hero]

Let's get it on!!!

[Oh, Gee!!]

I wonder if she'll make Thompson's speech palin comparison

[JoeChalupa]

I wonder if she'll make Thompson's speech palin comparison

^RACK!! :lmao

[Oh, Gee!!]

The Barracuda will not be shedding any tears but look for them in the crowd.


maybe they'll have to bring a palin 2 catch all the tears.

[jochhejaam]

I wonder if she'll make Thompson's speech palin comparison

sarah nuther speaker after her?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

..............and the crowd goes mild.

[JoeChalupa]

maybe they'll have to bring a palin 2 catch all the tears.

:lmao

[jochhejaam]

Thompson was okay and Lieberman's content was good, although other than his lips moving, it seemed like he was frozen in place. Should have put some itching powder in his shorts.

Lookin' forward to her speech, and the tears will be okay as long as she doesn't openly sob (I seriously doubt she broaches the subject of Bristol, other than that there wouldn't be another reason for tears).

[Viva Las Espuelas]

i'm sure Billary will be shaking in their boots.

[Wild Cobra]

She should start by taking those glasses off, and letting her hair fall down. rrrrraaaarrrrrr!!!!

No, she'd give away her secret identity like Catwoman would. Please, let the Teflon Barracuda keep her secret.

[AFBlue]

This is so true, and really what I expect. She needs to come balls out, blast the media, defend her family, defend her beliefs, neutralize her own inexperience with that of Obama's, and show that she's ready to go toe-to-toe with Biden.

What I see tonight will go a long way in making up my mind about her.

Based on excerpts of the speech that were released and word of what is to come...you'll get everything you're wishing for.

[JoeChalupa]

I look for the Barracuda do lay down the law tonight.

[JoeChalupa]

and McCain's heroism.

[Anti.Hero]

She should start by taking those glasses off, and letting her hair fall down. rrrrraaaarrrrrr!!!!

This lady or gentleman speaks the truth.

[01.20.09]

She'll be all over McCain's nut sack tonight.

[DarkReign]

First off, the conventions are nothing but cheerleader processions intent on building image. So watching these fluff pieces put out by the resident egos in the RNC/DNC are really just an opportunity for the rational to get an idea what they sound like or for the zealous to get their required party hard-on.

With that said...

I was underwhelmed. Im not a startegist of any sort (really?), but that was as bland as bland can be. Ive seen more engaging PowerPoint presentations on future plant production schedules. Im not kidding.

I cant believe I stayed up for that. Much like after the DNC, Ill skip the post game of this one too. Pulling any party cocksucker who walks by to tell me how so-and-so just knocked it out of the park (when clearly they didnt), or some other Americana reference drivel is reserved for those who a) are masochists or b) to fulfill their party-mandated Self Gratification Session.

*yawn*

[Anti.Hero]

Nothing special. Conservatives have been deprived of fire for the last 8 fucking years and she barely hints at big government/government dependence/BIG PICTURE.


It was solid.



She better have her shit on check for these debates/interviews.

[ggoose25]

Wow. How disappointing. I was hoping to be somewhat convinced of her ability to assume the presidency when McCain kicks it, but her whole speech was nothing but an attack on Obama. A witty, sarcastic, possibly effective attack, but nothing more.

This was her big opportunity to allay any fears Americans might have over her inexperience and she did NOT deliver.

I'm curious to see how the polls shift in accordance to her attacks.

[Anti.Hero]

Wow. How disappointing. I was hoping to be somewhat convinced of her ability to assume the presidency when McCain kicks it, but her whole speech was nothing but an attack on Obama. A witty, sarcastic, possibly effective attack, but nothing more.

This was her big opportunity to allay any fears Americans might have over her inexperience and she did NOT deliver.

I'm curious to see how the polls shift in accordance to her attacks.

And I'm sure one rah rah speech would have done that :rolleyes


Only the one, The Obama, can do that. :lmao Silence fears of inexperience from a rah rah speech. :lmao

[Wild Cobra]

What can I say?

Liberals go by who has the best "Hollywood fluff."

Conservatives go by who has the best facts.

[1369]

As pure political theater, she freaking nailed it.

But it's just one speech on one night. Does it resonate with the entire American populace? I'm not entirely sure it does, across the board (and aisle).

My belief is the Dems absoultely slaughter the Repubs in the Congressional and Senatorial elections this year, but the Repubs retain the White House.

Standoff and gridlock ensues.

[ggoose25]

And I'm sure one rah rah speech would have done that :rolleyes


Only the one, The Obama, can do that.

What?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

If Palin did not have big naturals and was not attractive in the face, she'd be finished after a speech like this. All those little sarcastic remarks and her air of confidence would have led to bashing exactly like Hillary received when she was the frontrunner and confident and not afraid to bite back. She was perceived as bitchy, arrogant, etc.

This Palin chick's attractiveness is going to give her an edge unlike any other witnessed in high level american politics.

[Mr. Peabody]

And I'm sure one rah rah speech would have done that :rolleyes


Only the one, The Obama, can do that.

I think it was an impossible task. You can't give a wonky speech in this forum and that's really the only way to show political depth.

[ggoose25]

If Palin did not have big naturals and was not attractive in the face, she'd be finished after a speech like this. All those little sarcastic remarks and her air of confidence would have led to bashing exactly like Hillary received when she was the frontrunner and confident and not afraid to bite back. She was perceived as bitchy, arrogant, etc.

This Palin chick's attractiveness is going to give her an edge unlike any other witnessed in high level american politics.

Good take. She was bitchy. But because everyone wants to nail her, she's going to not get called on it.

McCain got his attack dog.

[JoeChalupa]

She just made this a very, very tight race.

[Holt's Cat]

Grand. Slam.

[1369]

She just made this a very, very tight race.

Just me Joe, or does her speech (impact) remind you of one given about four years ago by an unknown from Illinois?

BTW, you did call it 4 years ago.

[Buddy Holly]

She just made this a very, very tight race.

How? By touching on no real issues and just bashing Obama? Yeah, total tight race going on.

The debates are going to expose her. Unless Bush's former speech writers are going to write her answers like they wrote her speech tonight... :lol

[Buddy Holly]

Just me Joe, or does her speech (impact) remind you of one given about four years ago by an unknown from Illinois?

BTW, you did call it 4 years ago.

Did he have the former Bush speech writers writing his speech?

[1369]

How? By touching on no real issues and just bashing Obama? Yeah, total tight race going on.

The debates are going to expose her. Unless Bush's former speech writers are going to write her answers like they wrote her speech tonight... :lol

No kidding, Biden has been Xeroxing his responses for years.

[1369]

Did he have the former Bush speech writers writing his speech?

I sincerely doubt it.

[Holt's Cat]

No kidding, Biden has been Xeroxing his responses for years.

*rimshot*

[1369]

*rimshot*

I'll be here all week. Try the veal.

[Buddy Holly]

I sincerely doubt it.

So she needed GW's writers to make all those repubs wet their pants... sad. :depressed

[Buddy Holly]

No kidding, Biden has been Xeroxing his responses for years.

And she's still going to get exposed and just murdered in the debates.

Let's hope she sticks to her own words and doesn't pull the "woman" card.

[ggoose25]

Just rereading the speech. She absolutely nailed those snarky lines. I have a feeling a lot of everyday women will be turned off by this. Hillary's appeal was that she was tough and qualified for the the presidency. When she started saying those contrived lines like "change you can Xerox" is when she turned off a lot of voters.

[1369]

So she needed GW's writers to make all those repubs wet their pants... sad. :depressed

Do what? I was not talking about who wrote Gov Palins speech. I was talking about a speech given four years ago at the DNC by an unknown from Illinois.

RIF

[Anti.Hero]

She should hire Axlerod.

Hillary is a power-hungry bitch. Of course Palin pulls it off; not just because she's a gmilf.


She says those sarcastic lines, because we have had to sit through this lunacy bullshit from Obama for a year while the idiots eat it up. She calls out the stupidity in Bama's catch phrases and she is a meany. Cry more :lmao

[Holt's Cat]

Denali ain't just a mountain in Alaska.

[1369]

And she's still going to get exposed and just murdered in the debates.

Let's hope she sticks to her own words and doesn't pull the "woman" card.

If her answers are original, then it'll be a step up from Biden.

[possessed]

How? By touching on no real issues and just bashing Obama? Yeah, total tight race going on.

The debates are going to expose her. Unless Bush's former speech writers are going to write her answers like they wrote her speech tonight... :lol

This chick goes out into the woods and blows the brains out of moose.

Biden will be an easier and much quicker meal for her.

I'm sure she's shaking in her heels. :lol

[Buddy Holly]

Do what? I was not talking about who wrote Gov Palins speech. I was talking about a speech given four years ago at the DNC by an unknown from Illinois.

RIF

Exactly. I asked if he needed GW's former writers to write his speech.

Because, NEWS ALERT, that entire speech tonight was written by FORMER GW speech writers.

[Buddy Holly]

Denali ain't just a mountain in Alaska.

Holy shit. Not even close to funny or clever. You failed at shooting for clever. Failed.

[Buddy Holly]

This chick goes out into the woods and blows the brains out of moose.

Biden will be an easier and much quicker meal for her.

I'm sure she's shaking in her heels. :lol

All Biden has to ask her is "What does the VP do?"

At that moment she will pee herself and run off stage.

[Holt's Cat]

Holy shit. Not even close to funny or clever. You failed at shooting for clever. Failed.

Sorry. I guess I was channeling Obama.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Link for the entire speech?

[1369]

Exactly. I asked if he needed GW's former writers to write his speech.

Because, NEWS ALERT, that entire speech tonight was written by FORMER GW speech writers.

Really, who specifically did write her speech tonight?

Seriously, I'm curious who crafted it, because they did an good job and put it in her wheelhouse when speaking to the convention.

[ggoose25]

Link for the entire speech?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/09/remarks_by_alaska_governor_sar.php

[possessed]

All Biden has to ask her is "What does the VP do?"

At that moment she will pee herself and run off stage.

She'll grab Biden by the hair plugs and bloody him up pretty good.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Just have to say that, as a group, those are possibly the worst children's names I've come across...

[1369]

Link for the entire speech?


Mr. Chairman, delegates, and fellow citizens: I am honored to be considered for the nomination for Vice President of the United States...

I accept the call to help our nominee for president to serve and defend America.

I accept the challenge of a tough fight in this election... against confident opponents ... at a crucial hour for our country.

And I accept the privilege of serving with a man who has come through much harder missions ... and met far graver challenges ... and knows how tough fights are won - the next president of the United States, John S. McCain.

It was just a year ago when all the experts in Washington counted out our nominee because he refused to hedge his commitment to the security of the country he loves.

With their usual certitude, they told us that all was lost - there was no hope for this candidate who said that he would rather lose an election than see his country lose a war.

But the pollsters and pundits overlooked just one thing when they wrote him off.

They overlooked the caliber of the man himself - the determination, resolve, and sheer guts of Senator John McCain. The voters knew better.

And maybe that's because they realize there is a time for politics and a time for leadership ... a time to campaign and a time to put our country first.

Our nominee for president is a true profile in courage, and people like that are hard to come by.

He's a man who wore the uniform of this country for 22 years, and refused to break faith with those troops in Iraq who have now brought victory within sight.

And as the mother of one of those troops, that is exactly the kind of man I want as commander in chief. I'm just one of many moms who'll say an extra prayer each night for our sons and daughters going into harm's way.

Our son Track is 19.

And one week from tomorrow - September 11th - he'll deploy to Iraq with the Army infantry in the service of his country.

My nephew Kasey also enlisted, and serves on a carrier in the Persian Gulf.

My family is proud of both of them and of all the fine men and women serving the country in uniform. Track is the eldest of our five children.

In our family, it's two boys and three girls in between - my strong and kind-hearted daughters Bristol, Willow, and Piper.

And in April, my husband Todd and I welcomed our littlest one into the world, a perfectly beautiful baby boy named Trig. From the inside, no family ever seems typical.

That's how it is with us.

Our family has the same ups and downs as any other ... the same challenges and the same joys.

Sometimes even the greatest joys bring challenge.

And children with special needs inspire a special love.

To the families of special-needs children all across this country, I have a message: For years, you sought to make America a more welcoming place for your sons and daughters.

I pledge to you that if we are elected, you will have a friend and advocate in the White House. Todd is a story all by himself.

He's a lifelong commercial fisherman ... a production operator in the oil fields of Alaska's North Slope ... a proud member of the United Steel Workers' Union ... and world champion snow machine racer.

Throw in his Yup'ik Eskimo ancestry, and it all makes for quite a package.

We met in high school, and two decades and five children later he's still my guy. My Mom and Dad both worked at the elementary school in our small town.

And among the many things I owe them is one simple lesson: that this is America, and every woman can walk through every door of opportunity.

My parents are here tonight, and I am so proud to be the daughter of Chuck and Sally Heath. Long ago, a young farmer and habber-dasher from Missouri followed an unlikely path to the vice presidency.

A writer observed: "We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty, sincerity, and dignity." I know just the kind of people that writer had in mind when he praised Harry Truman.

I grew up with those people.

They are the ones who do some of the hardest work in America ... who grow our food, run our factories, and fight our wars.

They love their country, in good times and bad, and they're always proud of America. I had the privilege of living most of my life in a small town.

I was just your average hockey mom, and signed up for the PTA because I wanted to make my kids' public education better.

When I ran for city council, I didn't need focus groups and voter profiles because I knew those voters, and knew their families, too.

Before I became governor of the great state of Alaska, I was mayor of my hometown.

And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves.

I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organizer," except that you have actual responsibilities. I might add that in small towns, we don't quite know what to make of a candidate who lavishes praise on working people when they are listening, and then talks about how bitterly they cling to their religion and guns when those people aren't listening.

We tend to prefer candidates who don't talk about us one way in Scranton and another way in San Francisco.

As for my running mate, you can be certain that wherever he goes, and whoever is listening, John McCain is the same man. I'm not a member of the permanent political establishment.< br>
And I've learned quickly, these past few days, that if you're not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone.

But here's a little news flash for all those reporters and commentators: I'm not going to Washington to seek their good opinion - I'm going to Washington to serve the people of this country. Americans expect us to go to Washington for the right reasons, and not just to mingle with the right people.

Politics isn't just a game of clashing parties and competing interests.

The right reason is to challenge the status quo, to serve the common good, and to leave this nation better than we found it.

No one expects us to agree on everything.

But we are expected to govern with integrity, good will, clear convictions, and ... a servant's heart.

I pledge to all Americans that I will carry myself in this spirit as vice president of the United States. This was the spirit that brought me to the governor's office, when I took on the old politics as usual in Juneau ... when I stood up to the special interests, the lobbyists, big oil companies, and the good-ol' boys network.

Sudden and relentless reform never sits well with entrenched interests and power brokers. That's why true reform is so hard to achieve.

But with the support of the citizens of Alaska, we shook things up.

And in short order we put the government of our state back on the side of the people.

I came to office promising major ethics reform, to end the culture of self-dealing. And today, that ethics reform is the law.

While I was at it, I got rid of a few things in the governor's office that I didn't believe our citizens should have to pay for.

That luxury jet was over the top. I put it on eBay.

I also drive myself to work.

And I thought we could muddle through without the governor's personal chef - although I've got to admit that sometimes my kids sure miss her. I came to office promising to control spending - by request if possible and by veto if necessary.

Senator McCain also promises to use the power of veto in defense of the public interest - and as a chief executive, I can assure you it works.

Our state budget is under control.

We have a surplus.

And I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending: nearly half a billion dollars in vetoes.

I suspended the state fuel tax, and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress.

I told the Congress "thanks, but no thanks," for that Bridge to Nowhere.

If our state wanted a bridge, we'd build it ourselves. When oil and gas prices went up dramatically, and filled up the state treasury, I sent a large share of that revenue back where it belonged - directly to the people of Alaska.

And despite fierce opposition from oil company lobbyists, who kind of liked things the way they were, we broke their monopoly on power and resources.

As governor, I insisted on competition and basic fairness to end their control of our state and return it to the people.

I fought to bring about the largest private-sector infrastructure project in North American history.

And when that deal was struck, we began a nearly forty billion dollar natural gas pipeline to help lead America to energy independence.

That pipeline, when the last section is laid and its valves are opened, will lead America one step farther away from dependence on dangerous foreign powers that do not have our interests at heart.

The stakes for our nation could not be higher.

When a hurricane strikes in the Gulf of Mexico, this country should not be so dependent on imported oil that we are forced to draw from our Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

And families cannot throw away more and more of their paychecks on gas and heating oil.

With Russia wanting to control a vital pipeline in the Caucasus, and to divide and intimidate our European allies by using energy as a weapon, we cannot leave ourselves at the mercy of foreign suppliers.

To confront the threat that Iran might seek to cut off nearly a fifth of world energy supplies ... or that terrorists might strike again at the Abqaiq facility in Saudi Arabia ... or that Venezuela might shut off its oil deliveries ... we Americans need to produce more of our own oil and gas.

And take it from a gal who knows the North Slope of Alaska: we've got lots of both.

Our opponents say, again and again, that drilling will not solve all of America's energy problems - as if we all didn't know that already.

But the fact that drilling won't solve every problem is no excuse to do nothing at all.

Starting in January, in a McCain-Palin administration, we're going to lay more pipelines ... build more new-clear plants ... create jobs with clean coal ... and move forward on solar, wind, geothermal, and other alternative sources.

We need American energy resources, brought to you by American ingenuity, and produced by American workers. I've noticed a pattern with our opponent.

Maybe you have, too.

We've all heard his dramatic speeches before devoted followers.

And there is much to like and admire about our opponent.

But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform - not even in the state senate.

This is a man who can give an entire speech about the wars America is fighting, and never use the word "victory" except when he's talking about his own campaign. But when the cloud of rhetoric has passed ... when the roar of the crowd fades away ... when the stadium lights go out, and those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot - what exactly is our opponent's plan? What does he actually seek to accomplish, after he's done turning back the waters and healing the planet? The answer is to make government bigger ... take more of your money ... give you more orders from Washington ... and to reduce the strength of America in a dangerous world. America needs more energy ... our opponent is against producing it.

Victory in Iraq is finally in sight ... he wants to forfeit.

Terrorist states are seeking new-clear weapons without delay ... he wants to meet them without preconditions.

Al Qaeda terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America ... he's worried that someone won't read them their rights? Government is too big ... he wants to grow it.

Congress spends too much ... he promises more.

Taxes are too high ... he wants to raise them. His tax increases are the fine print in his economic plan, and let me be specific.

The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes ... raise payroll taxes ... raise investment income taxes ... raise the death tax ... raise business taxes ... and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars. My sister Heather and her husband have just built a service station that's now opened for business - like millions of others who run small businesses.

How are they going to be any better off if taxes go up? Or maybe you're trying to keep your job at a plant in Michigan or Ohio ... or create jobs with clean coal from Pennsylvania or West Virginia ... or keep a small farm in the family right here in Minnesota.

How are you going to be better off if our opponent adds a massive tax burden to the American economy? Here's how I look at the choice Americans face in this election.

In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers.

And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change.

They're the ones whose names appear on laws and landmark reforms, not just on buttons and banners, or on self-designed presidential seals.

Among politicians, there is the idealism of high-flown speechmaking, in which crowds are stirringly summoned to support great things.

And then there is the idealism of those leaders, like John McCain, who actually do great things. They're the ones who are good for more than talk ... the ones we have always been able to count on to serve and defend America. Senator McCain's record of actual achievement and reform helps explain why so many special interests, lobbyists, and comfortable committee chairmen in Congress have fought the prospect of a McCain presidency - from the primary election of 2000 to this very day.

Our nominee doesn't run with the Washington herd.

He's a man who's there to serve his country, and not just his party.

A leader who's not looking for a fight, but is not afraid of one either. Harry Reid, the Majority Leader of the current do-nothing Senate, not long ago summed up his feelings about our nominee.

He said, quote, "I can't stand John McCain." Ladies and gentlemen, perhaps no accolade we hear this week is better proof that we've chosen the right man. Clearly what the Majority Leader was driving at is that he can't stand up to John McCain. That is only one more reason to take the maverick of the Senate and put him in the White House. My fellow citizens, the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of "personal discovery." This world of threats and dangers is not just a community, and it doesn't just need an organizer.

And though both Senator Obama and Senator Biden have been going on lately about how they are always, quote, "fighting for you," let us face the matter squarely.

There is only one man in this election who has ever really fought for you ... in places where winning means survival and defeat means death ... and that man is John McCain. In our day, politicians have readily shared much lesser tales of adversity than the nightmare world in which this man, and others equally brave, served and suffered for their country.

It's a long way from the fear and pain and squalor of a six-by-four cell in Hanoi to the Oval Office.

But if Senator McCain is elected president, that is the journey he will have made.

It's the journey of an upright and honorable man - the kind of fellow whose name you will find on war memorials in small towns across this country, only he was among those who came home.

To the most powerful office on earth, he would bring the compassion that comes from having once been powerless ... the wisdom that comes even to the captives, by the grace of God ... the special confidence of those who have seen evil, and seen how evil is overcome. A fellow prisoner of war, a man named Tom Moe of Lancaster, Ohio, recalls looking through a pin-hole in his cell door as Lieutenant Commander John McCain was led down the hallway, by the guards, day after day.

As the story is told, "When McCain shuffled back from torturous interrogations, he would turn toward Moe's door and flash a grin and thumbs up" - as if to say, "We're going to pull through this." My fellow Americans, that is the kind of man America needs to see us through these next four years.

For a season, a gifted speaker can inspire with his words.

For a lifetime, John McCain has inspired with his deeds.

If character is the measure in this election ... and hope the theme ... and change the goal we share, then I ask you to join our cause. Join our cause and help America elect a great man as the next president of the United States.

Thank you all, and may God bless America.

[Buddy Holly]

Terrorist states are seeking new-clear weapons without delay ... he wants to meet them without preconditions.

They had to spell the word phonetically?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Meh.

[tlongII]

She was terrific. She was calm, poised, well-spoken, and very funny. You can't ask for much more in a political speech of this type.

[Buddy Holly]

She was terrific. She was calm, poised, well-spoken, and very funny. You can't ask for much more in a political speech of this type.

McCain and his creepy ass self is going to throw a big bucket of water on whatever fire was started tonight.

[1369]

Exactly. I asked if he needed GW's former writers to write his speech.

Because, NEWS ALERT, that entire speech tonight was written by FORMER GW speech writers.

Again, who were the writers?

[Nbadan]

McCain and his creepy ass self is going to throw a big bucket of water on whatever fire was started tonight.

Have you noticed that McCain never turns his neck....God that's creepy...

[Buddy Holly]

Again, who were the writers?

Matthew Scully was the main writer.

[T Park]

Have you noticed that McCain never turns his neck....God that's creepy...

Having your arms tied to them for hours on end will do that dumbass.

[Yonivore]

Have you noticed that McCain never turns his neck....God that's creepy...
God, Dan...sometimes you just don't turn on the lights, do ya?

[Nbadan]

Having your arms tied to them for hours on end will do that dumbass.

Geezzz...I knew Cindy was kinda kinky but....


....oh, you mean when McSame was collaborating with the Vietnamese......sorry

[Yonivore]

Geezzz...I knew Cindy was kinda kinky but....


....oh, you mean when McSame was collaborating with the Vietnamese......sorry
It's not his picture the North Vietnamese put in a museum honoring heroes...now was it, Dan?

[Buddy Holly]

Having your arms tied to them for hours on end will do that dumbass.

But HAHAHAHA, Obama says POW's should have rights. HAHAHAHAHA!

[Yonivore]

But HAHAHAHA, Obama says POW's should have rights. HAHAHAHAHA!
I'm sure the North Vietnamese would have followed suit had Obama been President in the '60s.

[PixelPusher]

Having your arms tied to them for hours on end will do that dumbass.

Just so we're clear, that is NOT torture.

- signed, The Bush Admin.

[clambake]

he came back "by the grace of god" (and dumped his wife)

bad idea focusing on god and dumping your wife.

[SpursFanFirst]

They had to spell the word phonetically?

:lol we have an anchor at work that does the exact same thing...no matter how many times nuclear comes up in a script!

[SpursFanFirst]

Again, who were the writers?

I wrote this in another thread, but according to CNN, the original speech was written before the VP pick was announced.
Once she came on board, the speech was changed, and she had input.

[T Park]

Just so we're clear, that is NOT torture.

- signed, The Bush Admin.


:lol

Way to deflect from the point. Pure Obama "new politics"

[PixelPusher]

:lol

Way to deflect from the point. Pure Obama "new politics"

So you do agree McCain was tortured as a POW? Good, we agree on that.

[Buddy Holly]

:lol

Way to deflect from the point. Pure Obama "new politics"

McCain was a POW who was tortured.

McCain is a Senator and potential President who is fine with torture.

:lol

[Yonivore]

McCain was a POW who was tortured.

McCain is a Senator and potential President who is fine with torture.

:lol
Really, where did he say he was "fine with torture?"

[Yonivore]

I wrote this in another thread, but according to CNN, the original speech was written before the VP pick was announced.
Once she came on board, the speech was changed, and she had input.
CNN? Yeah, I believe that.

[Buddy Holly]

I wrote this in another thread, but according to CNN, the original speech was written before the VP pick was announced.
Once she came on board, the speech was changed, and she had input.

The input she had was minimal and none of it pertaining to the issues or McCain.

All that was filled in by former GW writers, around the stuff about the family, special needs and her "experience".

Though you have to wonder when her lies will finally catch up to her.

[Buddy Holly]

Really, where did he say he was "fine with torture?"

I don't know, maybe I made it up.

Oops, no I didn't.

In case you don't click on the links. He voted against a "torture ban."

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/02/16/mccain_drops_the_torture_ball/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/13/mccain-votes-against-tort_n_86549.html

[Yonivore]

I don't know, maybe I made it up.

Oops, no I didn't.

In case you don't click on the links. He voted against a "torture ban."

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/02/16/mccain_drops_the_torture_ball/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/13/mccain-votes-against-tort_n_86549.html

McCain said that while he remains opposed to waterboarding, "We always supported allowing the CIA to use extra measures."
Two of the three times waterboarding was used it resulted in actionable intelligence that saved countless lives.

McCain isn't stupid. There's torture for the sake of torture and then, there are coersive techniques that result in valuable informaiton. 3 versus the hundred -- or thousands (if you count South Vietnamese POW's) -- is a fair trade.

[Mr. Body]

I know I'm late and haven't read the entire thread...

but that speech made me physically disgusted. I expected a Credibility Speech or a Giving Our Vision Speech, but this was just spiteful and vindictive in a petty way. Where does she come from like that? What dues did she pay to spit out such rotten chowder? Good lord.

No doubt the fanboys had several orgasms, and the overwhelmingly white delegation (93% white) ate it up with spoons - this fires up the base like never before...

And Leslie Blitzer and the rest of the media are back to lovin' McCain.

But this can't be good for the independents, especially independent women. Such a hateful night, what a tone to strike. I can't imagine this goes over very well, but we'll see. Republicans have won with Culture Wars before - it really works.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

She just made this a very, very tight race.

Thanks for the solid take. Honestly, she just made this the most interesting presidential race in history. And I think that's awesome.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I know I'm late and haven't read the entire thread...

but that speech made me physically disgusted. I expected a Credibility Speech or a Giving Our Vision Speech, but this was just spiteful and vindictive in a petty way. Where does she come from like that? What dues did she pay to spit out such rotten chowder? Good lord.

No doubt the fanboys had several orgasms, and the overwhelmingly white delegation (93% white) ate it up with spoons - this fires up the base like never before...

And Leslie Blitzer and the rest of the media are back to lovin' McCain.

But this can't be good for the independents, especially independent women. Such a hateful night, what a tone to strike. I can't imagine this goes over very well, but we'll see. Republicans have won with Culture Wars before - it really works.

You're right, I mean after the petty attacks from Camp Obama and his loving press, she should have delivered some bland ass speech about refrom and some such shit :rolleyes

Face it, after four days of liberal slander, Palin put the liberal press in a headlock and beat the shit out of them. And that's awesome. And bad for the Democraps.

[midgetonadonkey]

I listened to it. I wasn't impressed. She just sounds like another dumbshit republican.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I listened to it. I wasn't impressed. She just sounds like another dumbshit republican.
it really takes a dumbshit to recognize a dumbshit, casa, no va.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I listened to it. I wasn't impressed. She just sounds like another dumbshit republican.

Yeah, I'm sure she'd have your vote if only she were a dumbshit liberal.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

You're right, I mean after the petty attacks from Camp Obama and his loving press, she should have delivered some bland ass speech about refrom and some such shit :rolleyes

Face it, after four days of liberal slander, Palin put the liberal press in a headlock and beat the shit out of them. And that's awesome. And bad for the Democraps.

She said nothing of substance, IMO.

[T Park]

I thought it was refreshing for a Republican to grow a pair and actually fight back against the freaking media and Obama the untouchable.

Props Sarah.

[midgetonadonkey]

Yeah, I'm sure she'd have your vote if only she were a dumbshit liberal.

Honestly, I'm neither. I just want to vote for someone that makes sense. And that bitch didn't say anything that would make me want her as a VP.

And from what I've learned these past 8 years, the VP pretty much runs the country.

I really don't have preset ideas about how the country should be run or anything but what I do kno wis that I did not care for what retard mom said and I know I have not agreed with what any of the speakers at the RNC have said.

[T Park]

I did not care for what retard mom said

Class as always.

[midgetonadonkey]

I thought it was refreshing for a Republican to grow a pair and actually fight back against the freaking media and Obama the untouchable.

Props Sarah.

Don't you remember the last RNC where the old wrinkled dude gave a really angry speech against Kerry and the Democrats? All the Republicans do is give angry, negative speeches.

[midgetonadonkey]

Class as always.

Real class is staying home to take care of the retard kid you had. Not putting it on a nanny and bring it out when the camera makes for a good photo op.

[T Park]

Don't you remember the last RNC where the old wrinkled dude gave a really angry speech against Kerry and the Democrats? All the Republicans do is give angry, negative speeches.

You mean like Obama's angry negative speech?

Oh wait hes different....

[T Park]

Real class is staying home to take care of the retard kid you had. Not putting it on a nanny and bring it out when the camera makes for a good photo op.


Ah so, barefoot and pregnant. No woman belongs in the white house.

Any other sexist ideas you wanna bring to the forefront?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Real class is staying home to take care of the retard kid you had. Not putting it on a nanny and bring it out when the camera makes for a good photo op.
i guess that's better then when biden left behind his family after they lost his MOM in less than a month. also taking a, now $98 train trip ONE WAY, everyday like every other american does.
:lmao
your dems are so funny

[T Park]

i guess that's better then when biden left behind his family after they lost his MOM in less than a month. also taking a, now $98 train trip ONE WAY, everyday like every other american does.
:lmao
your dems are so funny

200 bucks each way.

But hes just like every american....

[midgetonadonkey]

i guess that's better then when biden left behind his family after they lost his MOM in less than a month. also taking a, now $98 train trip ONE WAY, everyday like every other american does.
:lmao
your dems are so funny

Did they have to care for her dead body?

It's more expensive to care for a retard than a dead person.

[T Park]

Did they have to care for her dead body?

It's more expensive to care for a retard than a dead person.

Wow thats a groundbreaking news story.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Did they have to care for her dead body?

It's more expensive to care for a retard than a dead person.

rings are also expensive.

:lmao
:lmao

[Viva Las Espuelas]

200 bucks each way.

But hes just like every american....
of course. it took palin 4 months to "abandon" her family. it took biden less than a month.

[T Park]

of course. it took palin 4 months to "abandon" her family. it took biden less than a month.


I agree with Giuliani on one thing.

How come no one questions the men when they run for office, if THEY are abandoning their family?

Hypocrits.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I agree with Giuliani on one thing.

How come no one questions the men when they run for office, if THEY are abandoning their family?

Hypocrits.

first of all it's hypocrites.

the dems are so "women focused" yet they wanna put the woman as the sole child up bringer. i don't find that very "progressive".

[whottt]

Don't you remember the last RNC where the old wrinkled dude gave a really angry speech against Kerry and the Democrats? All the Republicans do is give angry, negative speeches.



That guy was a Democrat :lmao


Zell Miller.

[T Park]

first of all it's hypocrites.

the dems are so "women focused" yet they wanna put the woman as the sole child up bringer. i don't find that very "progressive".


Why has the NOW organization not supported her?

I mean, shes furthering women's place in the world!

Oh yeah, they are a opinionated political hack organization...

[PixelPusher]

Why has the NOW organization not supported her?

I mean, shes furthering women's place in the world!

Oh yeah, they are a opinionated political hack organization...

Shame on women for not mindlessly voting for anyone with a vagina!

[T Park]

Shame on women for not mindlessly voting for anyone with a vagina!

What a shocker, the lib misses the point.

My point is, why don't they support the woman whos going for vice President?

Support the woman whos furthering the sake of women?

I mean is that NOT the point of NOW, to help further the sake of women?

[T Park]

BTW, on top of that, how come NOW hasn't defended Sarah pahlin from this bullshit blogging media crap about leaving the family behind and stuff?

I mean, are they NOT in favor of women doing MORE!? Are they not in favor of the woman showing strength, showing that they are more than just baby makers?

[PixelPusher]

What a shocker, the lib misses the point.

My point is, why don't they support the woman whos going for vice President?

Support the woman whos furthering the sake of women?

I mean is that NOT the point of NOW, to help further the sake of women?
Shame on feminists for not living down to your one-dimensional stereotypes of them. Issues? Values? Why, oh why don't they just vote for whoever sports a vagina?

[mrsmaalox]

What a shocker, the lib misses the point.

My point is, why don't they support the woman whos going for vice President?

Support the woman whos furthering the sake of women?

I mean is that NOT the point of NOW, to help further the sake of women?

The main reason is her pro life stance. She also calls herself a feminist. Feminist and pro-life don't match. NOW is not going to ever support a pro choice candidate, because that does not help "further the sake of women."

[mrsmaalox]

BTW, on top of that, how come NOW hasn't defended Sarah pahlin from this bullshit blogging media crap about leaving the family behind and stuff?

I mean, are they NOT in favor of women doing MORE!? Are they not in favor of the woman showing strength, showing that they are more than just baby makers?

They didn't defend Hilary either. No inconsistency there.

[whottt]

Shame on feminists for not living down to your one-dimensional stereotypes of them. Issues? Values? Why, oh why don't they just vote for whoever sports a vagina?


You miss the point entirely...it's not just that she's a woman. It's that she's a badass woman.


She's no token, fail to notice to your own detriment. Keep in mind...you are a hardcore Democrat and heavily biased. And surely you realize that right...you are heavily biased in favor of the Democratic Party. There is nothing she could say that would get your vote. I mean were you expecing to like her speech? I wasn't expecting you to.

[T Park]

Shame on feminists for not living down to your one-dimensional stereotypes of them. Issues? Values? Why, oh why don't they just vote for whoever sports a vagina?


Its one dimensional for them to support a woman that has a chance to break barriers?

Clearly.

Keep reaching.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Its one dimensional for them to support a woman that has a chance to break barriers?

Clearly.

Keep reaching.

You've completely missed the point.

[T Park]

The main reason is her pro life stance. She also calls herself a feminist. Feminist and pro-life don't match. NOW is not going to ever support a pro choice candidate, because that does not help "further the sake of women."

Feminist I always thought was the woman on the poster from the 1940s that were chipping in to help with the war effort? Feminism wanting to show yes we can go and be vie president, and if something happens, leader of the free world? They can't ONCE, say "we don't agree with everything she says, but we are proud to support a WOMAN running for office"

[T Park]

You've completely missed the point.

You've completely missed my point.

Square dance everyone.

[mrsmaalox]

Feminist I always thought was the woman on the poster from the 1940s that were chipping in to help with the war effort? Feminism wanting to show yes we can go and be vie president, and if something happens, leader of the free world? They can't ONCE, say "we don't agree with everything she says, but we are proud to support a WOMAN running for office"

The thing about NOW, is that although it came into being during the era of women's liberation, is that it is just an organization of feminists. Not say like the ACLU who pick up causes and rally for victims. It's a multi-issue organization that is against ALL oppression, not just against women. Of course the focus on women comes from pushing for constitutional equality in the issues of racism, reproductive freedom, sexual and domestic violence, which women are the most vulnerable to. Palin fits well with everything they stand for, except reproductive freedom.

[Mr. Body]

The thing about NOW, is that although it came into being during the era of women's liberation, is that it is just an organization of feminists. Not say like the ACLU who pick up causes and rally for victims. It's a multi-issue organization that is against ALL oppression, not just against women. Of course the focus on women comes from pushing for constitutional equality in the issues of racism, reproductive freedom, sexual and domestic violence, which women are the most vulnerable to. Palin fits well with everything they stand for, except reproductive freedom.

I wouldn't say that was a biggie or anything.

[mrsmaalox]

I wouldn't say that was a biggie or anything.

Exactly. And in another thread someone said something about Palin bringing in "single issue" female voters. Unfortunately for the Repubs, reproductive freedom is the single issue.

[PixelPusher]

The thing about NOW, is that although it came into being during the era of women's liberation, is that it is just an organization of feminists. Not say like the ACLU who pick up causes and rally for victims. It's a multi-issue organization that is against ALL oppression, not just against women. Of course the focus on women comes from pushing for constitutional equality in the issues of racism, reproductive freedom, sexual and domestic violence, which women are the most vulnerable to. Palin fits well with everything they stand for, except reproductive freedom.

Why should whottt or Tpark take anything you say seriously? I mean, what the hell do you know about women?

[PixelPusher]

Exactly. And in another thread someone said something about Palin bringing in "single issue" female voters. Unfortunately for the Repubs, reproductive freedom is the single issue.

No, I'm pretty sure Yonivore knows more about this stuff than you. "Special Needs Children" has always been the defining issue for women in general and feminists in particular.

[PixelPusher]

FYI, the great "Champion of Special Needs Children" slashed the school budget for special needs kids by 62% (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_09/014545.php) as Governor.

[whottt]

Why should whottt or Tpark take anything you say seriously? I mean, what the hell do you know about women?

If she's that worried about ROE VS Wade she's wasn't going to vote Republican anyway.

[DarkReign]

If she's that worried about ROE VS Wade she's wasn't going to vote Republican anyway.

She never said anything about her personal views.

She explained why an organization like NOW isnt right behind a pro-life candidate like Palin.

That was it.

[whottt]

She never said anything about her personal views.

She explained why an organization like NOW isnt right behind a pro-life candidate like Palin.

That was it.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/if


If it's too complex I can start with "a" or something like that.


edit: I'm not saying it's too complex.

[remingtonbo2001]

It's simply amazing how much conversation this woman is generating.

She gave a fantastic speech that significantly rallied the base.

I personally believe the majority of Democrats are simply jealous that their convention was unable to generate the same level of enthusiasm.

[mrsmaalox]

If she's that worried about ROE VS Wade she's wasn't going to vote Republican anyway.

See that's the thing. Every time anyone mentions the pro-choice/pro-life thing, you start going on about Roe vs. Wade. That doesn't even matter here. I myself told you a few days ago that anything in this campaign that affects RvW or the Supreme Court is a stretch. A biiig stretch. That argument is NEVER going to be resolved. One camp is fighting for a percieved "human right" the other is fighting for a percieved "civil right"---2 totally different things. A pro-choice female will find it difficult to vote for her because they aren't even on the same page---not because of RvW or because she's a Republican. Keep in mind, I'm only talking about pro-choice women, not women in general.

[spurster]

She is a very good speaker. She could even make a crowd cheer for torture.

[SpursFanFirst]

Real class is staying home to take care of the retard kid you had. Not putting it on a nanny and bring it out when the camera makes for a good photo op.

Yes. I'm sure she decided to keep her baby knowing he would have down syndrome because she knew he'd come in handy for photo ops. Give me a break.

You are truly disgusting.
Are you capable of coming up with an argument that doesn't include the words "Bitch," "Retard," etc?

[Hook Dem]

It's simply amazing how much conversation this woman is generating.

She gave a fantastic speech that significantly rallied the base.

I personally believe the majority of Democrats are simply jealous that their convention was unable to generate the same level of enthusiasm.

BINGO...BINGO...BINGO! Why is it surprising that liberals didn't find her to be motivating? Why are they even commenting? Could it be that they are worried? The only liberal on here that has been fair is Joe Chalupa!

[boutons_]

"was unable to generate the same level of enthusiasm."

WTF? the Repug convention was forced to be moribund with the losers like Thompson and Giuliani boring them to death with shithead speeches, and the convention was totally distracted by all the FACTS of Palin's minuscule public service and knocked-up private life. Palin is obviously more stimutating than all the old white guys, including the wooden McSame, bundled together.

There was no enthusiasm last week in Denver?
There's no enthusiasm in the Dem grass roots organization that even the Repugs admit finds no equivalent on their side?

The Repugs are not excited by McSame, Repug voter registration is way down vs Dems and vs 00 and 04. The Repug power brokers and the "Christian" supremacists are not really behind McSame, tried to defeat him with the fake and weak Romney, and were forced to accept McSame. Palin is the anti-choice, anti-science, pro-earmark, pro-govt-abusing, pro-thin-skinned-vindictiveness candidate. THAT's what really excites the Repug and "Christian" supremacist base.

[mrsmaalox]

She is a very good speaker. She could even make a crowd cheer for torture.

:tu Joe Biden has a tough, tough job ahead of him!!

[TheProfessor]

Here's an issue of concern (and I think Palin was very good last night): Obama's convention not only rallied the base, but expanded his audience. Hugely. And won converts from undecideds, if you believe the majority of the polling that followed. Palin's speech will be extremely well-received by conservatives. But how will it be received by moderate women in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, etc.? I'm not certain that's where her speech was aimed, and that would be my only concern if I were running that campaign.

I'm not looking to start some partisan argument, just want to see if people think it will win over with that constituency?

[whottt]

See that's the thing. Every time anyone mentions the pro-choice/pro-life thing, you start going on about Roe vs. Wade. That doesn't even matter here. I myself told you a few days ago that anything in this campaign that affects RvW or the Supreme Court is a stretch. A biiig stretch. That argument is NEVER going to be resolved. One camp is fighting for a percieved "human right" the other is fighting for a percieved "civil right"---2 totally different things. A pro-choice female will find it difficult to vote for her because they aren't even on the same page---not because of RvW or because she's a Republican. Keep in mind, I'm only talking about pro-choice women, not women in general.

I'm talking explicitly about Pro-Choice Feminists...a great many of them. Not NOW...but real women, that actually work campaigns.


Would you like a link to a board whose membership includes a bunch of feminists that are going to vote for her?


www.hillaryclintonforums.net


Not only they are going to vote for McCain...many of them are going to volunteer to work for McCain's campaign, just like they did for Hillary. I'd imagine it's pretty much them that that were responsible for the 10 million in donations in the two days immediately following McCain's announcement.

Seems a bunch of them didn't really appreciate being called bitch, dyke, slut and whore etc. at the DNC and other rallies for wearing their Hillary shirts.

The general impression I get is that they'd vote for Bobby Riggs for President right about now...and if they had a choice between appointing Obama or Jerry Falwell Chief Justice of the Supreme Court...Falwell would get the nod.



Among the other things that have pissed them off

1. Being told only unintelligent women would vote for Palin.
2. Being told that it's not important that she's a woman.
3. Family and kid attacks. And they love the baby. And her 17 year old daughter getting put through the ringer really pissed them off.
4. That Hilary didn't get the VP nomination.




On that forum there are threads with a huge collective "Shut your stupid hole" to Oprah and Barbara Streisand. And they are cheering Sean Hannity.



But beyond all that...they're extremely pissed off at NOW.


I didn't come up with the information that Palin is against anti-abortion legislation, and endorses birth control...

They did.


The Lesbians are pretty impressed with her veto on the gay rights thing...seems to them the Democrats just pay lipservice to gay rights anyway.

[Das Texan]

That speech pissed me off for two reasons.

1) She came off as this smug, I'm better than you woman. But thats typical elitism, just annoys the living fuck out of me. At least try to make it a little less obvious. That was probably the most sarcastic political speech I've seen in a while.

2) Most importantly, she basically insulted not only Obama, but community organizers. I think this alone is going to come back to haunt the Republicans. Supposedly there are a ton of angry people who are now energized because of this line. You can insult a candidate and get away with it. But to insult a fairly large bloc of voters, to just absolutely throw it in their face and say what they do is virtually useless, thats going to hurt in the long run.

[xrayzebra]

I think she put the dimms on notice that they have a problem. She speaks much better than Obama and Biden, hehehehehehe. Poor guy, Obama may dump him. I can see his and his party minds now. Why, why did we pick foot in mouth Biden, she will make mince meat of him.

[JoeChalupa]

I think she put the dimms on notice that they have a problem. She speaks much better than Obama and Biden, hehehehehehe. Poor guy, Obama may dump him. I can see his and his party minds now. Why, why did we pick foot in mouth Biden, she will make mince meat of him.

I can understand your gloating but no way does she speak better than Obama and you have to consider the crowd she was speaking to. I give her props but you also have to see it with an open mind...if that is possible. I'll take Joe Biden's foreign policy knowledge over hers any day of the week and if you can't acknowledge that than you are nothing but a partisan hack.

[clambake]

FYI, the great "Champion of Special Needs Children" slashed the school budget for special needs kids by 62% (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_09/014545.php) as Governor.

and there you have it. :toast

[tlongII]

I can understand your gloating but no way does she speak better than Obama and you have to consider the crowd she was speaking to. I give her props but you also have to see it with an open mind...if that is possible. I'll take Joe Biden's foreign policy knowledge over hers any day of the week and if you can't acknowledge that than you are nothing but a partisan hack.

It's going to be interesting. Obama is a great speaker, but Palin ain't chopped liver. Though Biden's foreign policy knowledge is most likely greater than Palin's I would say McCain's is greater than Obama's as well. I think it will be a close race. :toast

[remingtonbo2001]

I personally believe the majority of Democrats are simply jealous that their convention was unable to generate the same level of enthusiasm.


There was no enthusiasm last week in Denver?

Those would be your words, not mine. I can't make that claim. However, I really haven't heard much about the Democratic Convention since John McCain made Palin his choice as Vice President.

I'm merely observing the amount of enthusiasm this woman is creating. I can't imagine why you would take offense to my observation. :)

[mrsmaalox]

I'm talking explicitly about Pro-Choice Feminists...a great many of them. Not NOW...but real women, that actually work campaigns.


Would you like a link to a board whose membership includes a bunch of feminists that are going to vote for her?


www.hillaryclintonforums.net


Not only they are going to vote for McCain...many of them are going to volunteer to work for McCain's campaign, just like they did for Hillary. I'd imagine it's pretty much them that that were responsible for the 10 million in donations in the two days immediately following McCain's announcement.

Seems a bunch of them didn't really appreciate being called bitch, dyke, slut and whore etc. at the DNC and other rallies for wearing their Hillary shirts.

The general impression I get is that they'd vote for Bobby Riggs for President right about now...and if they had a choice between appointing Obama or Jerry Falwell Chief Justice of the Supreme Court...Falwell would get the nod.



Among the other things that have pissed them off

1. Being told only unintelligent women would vote for Palin.
2. Being told that it's not important that she's a woman.
3. Family and kid attacks. And they love the baby. And her 17 year old daughter getting put through the ringer really pissed them off.
4. That Hilary didn't get the VP nomination.




On that forum there are threads with a huge collective "Shut your stupid hole" to Oprah and Barbara Streisand. And they are cheering Sean Hannity.



But beyond all that...they're extremely pissed off at NOW.


I didn't come up with the information that Palin is against anti-abortion legislation, and endorses birth control...

They did.


The Lesbians are pretty impressed with her veto on the gay rights thing...seems to them the Democrats just pay lipservice to gay rights anyway.

I have yet to give you my personal opinion of the woman. I am fully aware of that particular population of women you are talking about here (even though the link isn't working for me right now: I'll try again) and I share many of their opinions. I've never said feminists, women, pro choice or whatever would never vote for her. The only point I've tried to make is about the monumentous task the Repubs have in swaying feminists, pro-choice, and every day kind of women to their side. That fraction of Hilary Clinton supporters does not bag the victory.

[JohnnyMarzetti]

I'm not surprised all the repugs are blowing their wads over the fish called sarah.

[boutons_]

Palin is a distraction from all the shittiness and failures of the Repugs under dubya and the Congress under the Repugs for the last 15+ years. Distractions and personalities and fear-mongering about AQ, gays, etc. are how the Repugs sucker sheeple into voting for them.

She's going to DC to fight ... the DC establishment? Sarah, my chunky little darling, DC has been run by YOUR Repug party, Exec and Congress, so you're gonna fight the establishment Repugs?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Palin is a distraction from all the shittiness and failures of the Repugs under dubya and the Congress under the Repugs for the last 15+ years. Distractions and personalities and fear-mongering about AQ, gays, etc. are how the Repugs sucker sheeple into voting for them.

She's going to DC to fight ... the DC establishment? Sarah, my chunky little darling, DC has been run by YOUR Repug party, Exec and Congress, so you're gonna fight the establishment Repugs?
wow. you must have a hard on for olbermann's chair whenever he leaves.

[johnsmith]

Sarah, my chunky little darling,

Pot, meet kettle.

[Hook Dem]

I'm not surprised all the repugs are blowing their wads over the fish called sarah.

You just never get tired of being a loser do you Johnny?

[Rappin' Obama]

I can understand your gloating but no way does she speak better than Obama and you have to consider the crowd she was speaking to. I give her props but you also have to see it with an open mind...if that is possible. I'll take Joe Biden's foreign policy knowledge over hers any day of the week and if you can't acknowledge that than you are nothing but a partisan hack.

She's all right. She doesn't elongate words all preacher-like, like me. But that is a skill only the chosen ones can develop.

She can look at the crowd without having to read word for word off the teleprompter, but that ain't no big shakes ya hurd?


Hopefully my main dawg B-ddityBaBaBaBiden won't die on me and make the country rely on my foreign policy experience.

[DarkReign]

She's all right. She doesn't elongate words all preacher-like, like me. But that is a skill only the chosen ones can develop.

She can look at the crowd without having to read word for word off the teleprompter, but that ain't no big shakes ya hurd?


Hopefully my main dawg B-ddityBaBaBaBiden won't die on me and make the country rely on my foreign policy experience.

Weakest Troll of the Year Award

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Weakest Troll of the Year Award
he's a poet and, unfortunately, knows it

[DarkReign]

he's a poet and, unfortunately, knows it


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[Viva Las Espuelas]

thank you. thank you.
i'll be here all week.



please tip your bartenders and waitresses

[spurster]

FYI, the great "Champion of Special Needs Children" slashed the school budget for special needs kids by 62% (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_09/014545.php) as Governor.

Actually, this is misreading of the budget.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_09/014545.php

The budget increased, not decreased.