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Useruser666
02-09-2005, 11:09 AM
http://reuters.myway.com/article/20050209/2005-02-09T065017Z_01_N09331273_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-LIFE-UNIVERSITY-DC.html

Scholar Defiant Amid Furor Over 9/11 Remarks
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Feb 9, 1:50 AM (ET)

By Keith Coffman

BOULDER, Colo. (Reuters) - A University of Colorado professor under fire for comparing World Trade Center victims to a Nazi war criminal on Tuesday refused to apologize for his remarks.

"I am not backing off an inch," said Ward Churchill, drawing an ovation from a standing-room-only crowd of about 1,200 students and backers gathered in a ballroom. "I owe no one an apology."

Churchill, who filed a lawsuit earlier in the day after officials at the state-funded university had threatened to cancel his speech, said his central message was that the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks had been provoked by U.S. foreign policy.

"Naturally and inevitably, what you put out will blow back on you and that's what happened," Churchill said.

In his essay, "Some People Push Back," written shortly after Sept. 11, Churchill said the hijackers had mounted "counterattacks" in the face of hostile U.S. policy in the Middle East and a campaign of "genocide" against Iraq through the trade sanctions imposed after the first Gulf War.

In the essay, later revised for a book, Churchill also said that World Trade Center victims could not be seen as innocent, calling them "little Eichmanns," a reference to German World War II criminal Adolf Eichmann.

"True enough, they were civilians of a sort," he wrote. "But innocent? Gimme a break. They formed a technocratic corps at the very heart of America's global financial empire."

'I DON'T WORK FOR BILL OWENS'

Churchill, a veteran Native American activist, first attracted widespread notice last month after Hamilton College in New York canceled a scheduled appearance, citing threats against him and others who had been slated to appear.

The University of Colorado then launched an investigation, a first step toward possibly firing Churchill.

Scholars have rallied to the defense of what they see as the free-speech rights at stake in the case, saying the firing of a tenured professor over unpopular remarks would threaten academic freedoms.

Colorado Gov. Bill Owens, a Republican, has called for Churchill to be dismissed and state lawmakers have passed resolutions denouncing him.

"I do not work for the taxpayers of Colorado, and I don't work for Bill Owens. I work for you," Churchill told the audience.

Churchill has resigned as chairman of the university's ethnic studies department but has threatened to sue the school if he is fired.

Churchill said he felt sorrow for "the firefighters, food service workers, broom pushers and passersby" who died in the Sept. 11 attacks.

But he added that he also felt sorrow for the 500,000 Iraqi children he said had died as a result of the sanctions imposed on that country after the first Gulf War.

And he said he thought his initial published remarks had been deliberately miscast by conservative pundits.

"Nowhere in there did I justify the killing of innocent people," he told Reuters. "Those words are not there."

University administrators reversed course on Tuesday, allowing Churchill's speech to take place after determining students who organized the speech had not received death threats, as one had earlier claimed.

Even so, Churchill's lawyer, Darold Killmer, asked U.S. District Judge Bob Blackburn to grant an injunction that would prevent the university from "further suppression" of Churchill's free speech rights.

Blackburn gave the university until Feb. 24 to respond to that petition.

Hook Dem
02-09-2005, 11:48 AM
Ain't America great?

JohnnyMarzetti
02-09-2005, 01:12 PM
Yes it is.

Useruser666
02-09-2005, 02:17 PM
I think those are very poor remarks. It's his right nonetheless.

Clandestino
02-09-2005, 03:43 PM
he is only 3/16ths Native American.. Fucking Native American activist.. whatever!

MannyIsGod
02-09-2005, 04:52 PM
he is only 3/16ths Native American.. Fucking Native American activist.. whatever!

That's ok, you're only 15/16ths dumbass, and we let you keep the entire title.

Clandestino
02-09-2005, 04:54 PM
That's ok, you're only 15/16ths dumbass, and we let you keep the entire title.

and your ears are 15/16ths the wingspan of a 747!

SpursWoman
02-09-2005, 05:03 PM
That's ok, you're only 15/16ths dumbass, and we let you keep the entire title.


I have to remember that one. :lol :lol


This guy is entitled to his opionion as I am mine. And mine is that he is a few cards shy of a full deck.

:)

Useruser666
02-09-2005, 05:03 PM
So what is your take on his remarks Manny?

MannyIsGod
02-09-2005, 05:06 PM
Without reading his remarks in context and entirety...

It's extremist and I don't agree with him. Some dude working at Meryl Lynch maybe be supporting bad foreign policy in a very extreme way, but in no way does that make him a non civillian.

I have a feeling he didn't put it that simply though. Remarks that generate this much furor are almost always taken out of context.

SpursWoman
02-09-2005, 05:11 PM
I based my opinion on what I just read ... and I honestly don't think there is any way, shape or form that he could convince me that those 9/11 victims were even remotely not innocent victims.

I don't need to read his book or watch him speak to believe that.

Useruser666
02-09-2005, 05:12 PM
Seems like a publicity stunt for his book.

MannyIsGod
02-09-2005, 05:15 PM
Yeah, I definetly agree with that, but what I think gets lost is his overall message that the commercial society that fuels our foreign policy which has led to the US being the target of terrorist attacks. He makes a reach of an association by saying that people working in that society are not innocent and it's one hell of a reach.

Useruser666
02-09-2005, 05:32 PM
That's like saying, since I'm not a Muslim in the middle East, I am a target for terrorism.

SPARKY
02-09-2005, 05:33 PM
So if someone takes public money do they lose their 1st amendment rights?

Clandestino
02-09-2005, 05:36 PM
in another thread some of us stated... no, you don't lose your rights... but that doesn't mean you can't be fired for exercising your 1st amendment rights..

Useruser666
02-09-2005, 05:38 PM
So if someone takes public money do they lose their 1st amendment rights?

Nope. Just stating what I believe is the reasoning behind making such an inflammatory comment.

Useruser666
02-09-2005, 05:38 PM
Uh oh, sig warfare!

Clandestino
02-09-2005, 05:39 PM
Uh oh, sig warfare!

but can you figure out which one he is?

SPARKY
02-09-2005, 05:43 PM
Maybe he needs to post a pic of him and a couple Silver Dancers down at the local HEB when they were out in the community meeting with the peasants.

Clandestino
02-09-2005, 05:44 PM
Maybe he needs to post a pic of him and a couple Silver Dancers down at the local HEB when they were out in the community meeting with the peasants.

nah, you would mess my picture up!

MannyIsGod
02-09-2005, 06:02 PM
chicken?

I'm not to worried about what Clad thinks I look like. If him saying I look like a monkey helps him cope with being a mental midget, then feel free.

The women have never had a problem with my big ears.

Useruser666
02-09-2005, 06:06 PM
No it's that small penis! :lol j/king!

SpursWoman
02-09-2005, 06:06 PM
The women have never had a problem with my big ears.


Something to hold on to? :eyebrows :lol

Clandestino
02-09-2005, 06:12 PM
The women have never had a problem with my big ears.

you and your woman look happy together.. I guess that is all that truly matters...

http://www.globalresponse.org/graphics/chimps.jpg

MannyIsGod
02-09-2005, 06:15 PM
Still waiting for Cladestino to grow some balls and post a few pics of himself. Not expecting it anytime soon.

You know, with as many animal pictures Cladestino has here, are we sure he's not Dusty Garza?

SPARKY
02-09-2005, 06:20 PM
You know, with as many animal pictures Cladestino has here, are we sure he's not Dusty Garza?

Damn, that's worse than accusing him of being a terrorist.

raragona
02-09-2005, 06:28 PM
Uh-oh! I think Manny is picking fleas and ticks from her down South!

MannyIsGod
02-09-2005, 06:33 PM
:lmao you made a new name for that?

raragona
02-09-2005, 06:34 PM
No. "Down South" is not a new name, I just don't want to offend the kids.

Useruser666
02-09-2005, 06:36 PM
:lmao you made a new name for that?

I thought so too but the start date is last year. Damn, I have to start registering names too.

Clandestino
02-09-2005, 06:38 PM
I thought so too but the start date is last year. Damn, I have to start registering names too.

yeah, it is not me.

raragona
02-09-2005, 06:40 PM
Nah, I'm not Clan. I don't think one can type that quick with a hook for a hand.