McCain hits a home run

[MannyIsGod]

You know the thread is coming and what the actual speech is like doesn't really matter so please start saying how McCain hit a home run right now. Lets stay ahead of the curve, imo.

[Nbadan]

........can't top Palin's home-run...

[PixelPusher]

Who's up for a "my friends" drinking game?

[CubanMustGo]

Golly, I never knew John McCain was a POW before the 172,726 mentions of it tonight.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Somebody tell Brokaw to STFU.

[MannyIsGod]

Republicans invoking 9/11? Never.

[CubanMustGo]

Are we voting for McCain or his momma and daddy?

[MannyIsGod]

Should have just let Palin speak again.

[lurker]

I'll be donating to Obama as soon as McCain finishes his speech.

[possessed]

This is going to be boring as Hell.

[mrsmaalox]

Come on, that really was a beautiful video; I have no doubt he is a good man and a great patriot. I'm just not sure he can be a decent POTUS.

[MannyIsGod]

bizarre

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

bizarre

Pro-choicers, I think.

[tlongII]

Somebody let a liberal nut job in there.

[baseline bum]

You're a full of shit douchebag libtard, Manny. McCain hit a fucking walk-off grand-slam.

[George Gervin's Afro]

:sleep

[MannyIsGod]

Its about time for another USA chant imo.

[hitmanyr2k]

I can't help but see Dr. Evil when McCain speaks :lol

He sounds like him. He moves like him. Even looks like him a little.

[MannyIsGod]

You're a full of shit douchebag libtard, Manny. McCain hit a fucking walk-off grand-slam.

:lmao

[lurker]

The protester was from Code Pink. They're an anti-war group.

[CubanMustGo]

So McCain has stolen the "Change" mantra from the dems, eh?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Is he going to talk about issues or just Palin?

C'mon John, get to the meat.

[baseline bum]

I work for .... Charles Keating

[baseline bum]

WTF? Did I just see someone black?

[baseline bum]

I've fought as a member of the Keating Five.

[baseline bum]

U S A! U S A! U S A! U S A! U S A!

[possessed]

WTF? Did I just see someone black?

What's he doing off the plantation? Get him!

[baseline bum]

America... Fuck Yeah!

[Cry Havoc]

"I've fought union bosses"


WOW McCain. WOW. How fucking stupid can you be? You fought against the one decent weapon workers have against mega-corporations? Congratulations.

[Findog]

He's terrible. It's the same 3 looping talking points over and over again that we've already heard from other speakers.

[jochhejaam]

Hey, ease up a bit on the Unions there Mac.


AFSCME

[baseline bum]

What are we fighting for, McCain?

[hitmanyr2k]

LOL @ he'd rather lose an election than lose a war. That's why he goes out and gets one of the most inexperienced VPs with no foreign experience to run this country (while we're at war). He risked the security of this nation to appease the right wing and win an election. What hypocrite.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Ohio next?

[baseline bum]

LOL @ he'd rather lose an election than lose a war. That's why he goes out and gets one of the most inexperienced VPs with no foreign experience to run this country (while we're at war). He risked the security of this nation to appease the right wing and win an election. What hypocrite.

McCain's got his chance to lose both.

[MannyIsGod]

Someone refresh my memory because it hasn't been mentioned in awhile, is McCain a POW?

[lurker]

WTF? Did I just see someone black?
They always make sure to put the camera on the token blacks. Last night, they showed one bouncing around to country music while waving his McCain/Palin sign. He was like a real life Carlton Banks.

[CubanMustGo]

LOL @ he'd rather lose an election than lose a war. That's why he goes out and gets one of the most inexperienced VPs with no foreign experience to run this country (while we're at war). He risked the security of this nation to appease the right wing and win an election. What hypocrite.

But she ran the Alaska National Guard!

so what if she never gave them an order, her name was at the top of the pyramid so dammit she's experienced in military matters

[baseline bum]

The war in Iraq is about keeping us safe? I thought you fuckers already admitted it was about energy.

[Cry Havoc]

Someone refresh my memory because it hasn't been mentioned in awhile, is McCain a POW?

A "Prick On the Warpath"? Absolutely.

[MannyIsGod]

LOL I'm not even kidding now, but that crowd is out of steam. They all look bored. Even Palin.

[PixelPusher]

"...who lost their housing investments..."

The speechwriter was asleep at the wheel on that one. The word you were looking for is "home" not "housing investments".

[baseline bum]

Rather artificial standing O there. :pctoss

[CubanMustGo]

"We believe" this speech is way boring.

[MannyIsGod]

Nothing makes me want to vote for a Republican more than the judicial activism argument.

[PixelPusher]

even the "boos" sound bored.

[baseline bum]

What is McCain's health plan anyways? Google it?

[MannyIsGod]

LOL I've seen McCain do better than this. Maybe he'll finish strong but wow. This shit isn't even a bunt right now.

[robino2001]

What is McCain's health plan anyways? Google it?

hoping to stay alive to 80 years old...

oh, you mean for the country...???

[CubanMustGo]

Yep, the deficit the last four years is the highest ever and McCain wants to cut taxes. He's a Republican alright.

[hitmanyr2k]

So far McCain's speech = My plan will work, my opponent's won't. Don't worry about specifics or anything. Just trust me, it'll work.

[CubanMustGo]

Hey SAC is a big part of McCain's plan. Everyone go to SAC, you'll get a great job!!

[baseline bum]

This guy is a terrible speaker, but then again it didn't stop Bush twice

:pctoss :pctoss :pctoss :pctoss :pctoss

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Severely lacking in the nuts and bolts, IMO.

Weak, thus far.

[MannyIsGod]

So now McCain is a populist? Yeah, ok. No one is buying this.

[MannyIsGod]

I swear this crowd looks like they're all on valium.

[PixelPusher]

So now McCain is a populist? Yeah, ok. No one is buying this.

lol at the hesitant applause for his lines about unemployment programs.

[FromWayDowntown]

Nothing makes me want to vote for a Republican more than the judicial activism argument.

I don't know -- hearing that for the 16,743rd time, I'm now convinced that concerns for judicial activism are actually principled arguments with objective bases that don't have anything to do with simply disliking the outcome of cases.

McCain should be about education -- RIF and all.

[MannyIsGod]

Wow oil came up and it was like life was injected into the hall. Now that we've moved off of oil the enthusiasim left too. :lmao

[johnsmith]

I'll give you guys this, he's not the greatest speaker in the world. However, LMFAO at all you guys expecting anything other then a "hooray for us" type of speech. It's the fucking convention, that's what it's for. That's what the Dems used it for last week and that's what the repubs are doing this week. I know you guys didn't follow politics until the rockstar showed up, but this has been the way conventions have been forever.

[hitmanyr2k]

McCain has the smile of a used car salesman. I can't believe these sheep are cheering after every line. Reminds me of Bush's state of the union addresses.

[Mr. Peabody]

What is McCain's health plan anyways? Google it?

I hear he eats lots of fiber, has a strenuous workout regime,

http://www.fmca.com/fmc2002/images/julmag/Exercise%20Equipment.gif

and enjoys the outdoors.

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc173/jbl55/oldmanyellsatcloud.jpg

[CubanMustGo]

I went over and started reading the Rappin' Shaq R.I.P. thread - it's a lot more entertaining and about as informative.

[johnsmith]

I bet he's in better shape then every one of you.

[Cry Havoc]

"I'm not afraid of [the threats]."

Of course not, you fucking ass. You aren't on the front lines anymore. When you send someone off to die you don't have to see his face.

I cannot believe anyone who's ever experienced war wants MORE of it. That says a lot about McCain.

[johnsmith]

I know he's in better shape then Coco......errrrr........manny.

[baseline bum]

I know how to secure the peace... by going to war for 100 years.

[MannyIsGod]

Vietnam speech!!!

[MannyIsGod]

POW Speech!!!

[BRHornet45]

sons you foolish, Obama bandwagon jumping, stephen colbert nut-hugging, liberals will all be crying in November whenever McCain easily wins over Obama ... "but but but CNN told me Hussein was winning in the polls!!!" .... When will you morons wake up and realize that the media is the ONLY reason why Obama is even in this thing? There is life outside of California and New York where the Democrats dominate. Luckily the majority of this country have their heads on straight (for the most part) and can see through the Obama hype. McCain will win nearly all of middle America, Texas, and most of the south (including Florida).

[Cry Havoc]

I bet he's in better shape then every one of you.

I'll take that bet. I run a 10k in about 42 minutes and I'm not even in shape for myself. What's his time?

[ChumpDumper]

I know he's in better shape then Coco......errrrr........manny.Seriously, you're better than that.

And it's Koko.

[MannyIsGod]

sons you foolish, trendy, Obama bandwagon jumping, stephen colbert nut-hugging, liberals will all be crying in November whenever McCain easily wins over Obama ... "but but but CNN told me he was winning in the polls!!!" .... When will you morons wake up and realize that the media is the ONLY reason why Obama is even in this thing? There is life outside of California and New York where the Democrats dominate. Luckily the majority of this country have their heads on straight (for the most part) and can see through the Obama hype. McCain will win nearly all of middle America, Texas, and most of the south (including Florida).

Start a thread and show me the states McCain wins to get 270. Go for it.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

POW Speech!!!

Nailed it.

[Mr. Peabody]

I'll take that bet. I run a 10k in about 42 minutes and I'm not even in shape for myself. What's his time?

5 years as a POW! That's his time you insensitive bastard.

[MannyIsGod]

I'll take that bet. I run a 10k in about 42 minutes and I'm not even in shape for myself. What's his time?

Bet you never ran a 10k in a Viet Cong prison.

[baseline bum]

McCain was a POW? Seriously?

[MannyIsGod]

5 years as a POW! That's his time you insensitive bastard.


:lmao

[Mr. Peabody]

When McCain speaks, I always expect him to say -

"With a name like Smuckers, it has to be good."

[johnsmith]

I'll take that bet. I run a 10k in about 42 minutes and I'm not even in shape for myself. What's his time?

errrrrrrrr.................41 minutes.

He can also bend steel over his head.

[BRHornet45]

Start a thread and show me the states McCain wins to get 270. Go for it.

son judging by your picture ... its obvious that your the typical stephen colbert nut-hugging liberal. your obviously too young to understand the real world so you buy into and do everything that clowns like he has to say.

[MannyIsGod]

He was in solitary!!!!!

[FromWayDowntown]

sons you foolish, Obama bandwagon jumping, stephen colbert nut-hugging, liberals will all be crying in November whenever McCain easily wins over Obama ... "but but but CNN told me Hussein was winning in the polls!!!" .... When will you morons wake up and realize that the media is the ONLY reason why Obama is even in this thing? There is life outside of California and New York where the Democrats dominate. Luckily the majority of this country have their heads on straight (for the most part) and can see through the Obama hype. McCain will win nearly all of middle America, Texas, and most of the south (including Florida).

If he doesn't win 270 electoral votes, none of that will matter. Just ask Al "I won the popular vote in 2000" Gore.

I think the assumption that the nation is predominantly conservative/republican is misguided.

[johnsmith]

Seriously, you're better than that.

And it's Koko.

No I'm not and you know it.

[CubanMustGo]

McCain: "Let me tell you just how noble and self-sacrificing I am again.

And oh, did you know I was a POW?"

[Cry Havoc]

5 years as a POW! That's his time you insensitive bastard.


My dad is a commie. Does that count?

[BRHornet45]

If he doesn't win 270 electoral votes, none of that will matter. Just ask Al "I won the popular vote in 2000" Gore.

I think the assumption that the nation is predominantly conservative/republican is misguided.

son please read the full statement. I clearly stated he will win Texas and Florida ... two of the biggest electoral states.

[MannyIsGod]

son judging by your picture ... its obvious that your the typical stephen colbert nut-hugging liberal. your obviously too young to understand the real world so you buy into and do everything that clowns like he has to say.

Start a thread showing a breakdown of how exactly McCain is going to get 270 electoral votes. Thanks.

[Mr. Peabody]

My dad is a commie. Does that count?

As long as he's not a community organizer. Those bastards have ruined this nation.:ihit

[BRHornet45]

Start a thread showing a breakdown of how exactly McCain is going to get 270 electoral votes. Thanks.

LOL at you son ... don't you have a keg party to go to tonight? or some beer pong to play before you watch your idol stephen colbert????

[johnsmith]

Start a thread showing a breakdown of how exactly McCain is going to get 270 electoral votes. Thanks.

Start a thread that doesn't say "the sky is falling".........oooh, better yet, start a thread that doesn't have you being "the smartest guy there". Wait, wait, start a thread that doesn't talk about poker.

[Mr. Peabody]

Start a thread showing a breakdown of how exactly McCain is going to get 270 electoral votes. Thanks.

Does Alaska have 250...?

[PixelPusher]

He was in solitary!!!!!

1 in 100 Americans are currently incarcerated. That's a hell of a voting bloc! (providing they can cast a vote)

[BRHornet45]

Start a thread that doesn't say "the sky is falling".........oooh, better yet, start a thread that doesn't have you being "the smartest guy there". Wait, wait, start a thread that doesn't talk about poker.

LMAO son

[tlongII]

It's gotta be killing the libs that McCain is truly an American Hero.

[FromWayDowntown]

son please read the full statement. I clearly stated he will win Texas and Florida ... two of the biggest electoral states.

Okay. Obama will win California and New York . . . two of the biggest electoral states.

How is McCain going to get to 270?

[MannyIsGod]

LOL at you son ... don't you have a keg party to go to tonight? or some beer pong to play before you watch your idol stephen colbert????


Start a thread that doesn't say "the sky is falling".........oooh, better yet, start a thread that doesn't have you being "the smartest guy there". Wait, wait, start a thread that doesn't talk about poker.

Start a thread showing a state by state breakdown of how McCain is going to get 270 electoral votes. Thanks.

[FromWayDowntown]

Spelling is fundamental.

"Mavrick"

[Mr. Peabody]

LOL at you son ... don't you have a keg party to go to tonight? or some beer pong to play before you watch your idol stephen colbert????

Didn't Fox News try to start a Daily Show/Colbert Report-type show? That went over real well.

[Mr. Peabody]

He's lost it. He's rambling.

[baseline bum]

America - FUCK YEAH!

[Mr. Peabody]

Get off my lawn!!!!

Get off my lawn!!!

[MannyIsGod]

God Bless America!

PS - I'm a POW

[hitmanyr2k]

I'm sorry but I'm cracking up right now. The sheep applauding and McCain sounding like a Dr. Evil clone is killing me :lol:lol:lol

[baseline bum]

Grand FUCKING Slam! This thing is over. Hussein might as well take his ass back to Kenya.

[BRHornet45]

Okay. Obama will win California and New York . . . two of the biggest electoral states.

How is McCain going to get to 270?

McCain will win nearly all of middle America (small in electoral votes yes, but they add up), he will take Texas (34 votes), he will take Florida (27 or 28 votes?), he will take most of the south, and a few eastern states. The electoral votes will without a doubt be close at the end, I am not doubting that.

[Mr. Peabody]

Start a thread showing a state by state breakdown of how McCain is going to get 270 electoral votes. Thanks.

How many electoral votes does the State of Denial get?

[PixelPusher]

Grand FUCKING Slam! This thing is over. Hussein might as well take his ass back to Kenya.

/thread

[baseline bum]

Damn! McCain just won the championship!

[PixelPusher]

How many electoral votes does the State of Denial get?

The State of Denali gets 3.

[IceColdBrewski]

Eh. Not bad. Needed a stronger ending, but I thought the speech on the whole was pretty good. Laid out his plans, kept it clean, and even criticized the current administration more than I expected. B to B+ IMO.

[BRHornet45]

sons now that was a real political convention about real issues. not lies. unlike the MTV music awards last week in Denver.

[jack sommerset]

So McCain has stolen the "Change" mantra from the dems, eh?


they all say change. o'bama spent more money on "change" signs.

[MannyIsGod]

Damn! McCain just won the championship!

Asterisk imo.

[hitmanyr2k]

Eh. Not bad. Needed a stronger ending, but I thought the speech on the whole was pretty good. Laid out his plans, kept it clean, and even criticized the current administration more than I expected. B to B+ IMO.

What plans? :lol

[florige]

Grand FUCKING Slam! This thing is over. Hussein might as well take his ass back to Kenya.



blah, blah, blah, Dem's were saying the same shit last week. Same shit different day.....:lol

[Findog]

It's gotta be killing the libs that McCain is truly an American Hero.

You've gotta be the only conservative in Oregon. That must smart.

[Findog]

sons now that was a real political convention about real issues. not lies. unlike the MTV music awards last week in Denver.

God bless you sons, for your astute political analysis.

[BRHornet45]

You've gotta be the only conservative in Oregon. That must smart.

no son it just means that he isn't a blind sheep.

[florige]

Now that all this bullshit is behind us let the REAL games begin.....

[Mr. Peabody]

The State of Denali gets 3.
:toast
Nice.

[Findog]

Grand FUCKING Slam! This thing is over. Hussein might as well take his ass back to Kenya.

Hanoi Johnny FTW!

Can we get some Rappin' McCain up in here?

[Anti.Hero]

First half was HORRIBLE.

Second half he rebounded.



Watching these vets in the audience is something.


What a shitty joke to have McCain representing conservatives. Whatever.

[PixelPusher]

You've gotta be the only conservative in Oregon. That must smart.
Wild Cobra is from Oregon. And he is smart. He tells us so all the time.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Cindy and John both were drawn out and boring in their speeches. Too bad. Especially after such a high note the previous night from Palin.

The entire convention was too full of Johns Bio, and constant references to him being a POW.

I'm still leaning towards the McCain ticket though.

[Cry Havoc]

Start a thread showing a state by state breakdown of how McCain is going to get 270 electoral votes. Thanks.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v116/whisperingstorm/howmccainwins.jpg

[mrsmaalox]

OMG were they really playing Heart's "Barracuda" in the background?!

[tlongII]

You've gotta be the only conservative in Oregon. That must smart.

Well you got that right. There are more liberals here than anywhere in the USA with the possible exception of San Francisco. I'm not a republican though. I'm an independent. I actually voted for Al Gore believe it or not.

[florige]

Cindy and John both were drawn out and boring in their speeches. Too bad. Especially after such a high note the previous night from Palin.

The entire convention was too full of Johns Bio, and constant references to him being a POW.

I'm still leaning towards the McCain ticket though.



Are you surprised?

[CubanMustGo]

McCain hit it out of the park, allright:

http://www.ultimate-baseball-field-renovation-guide.com/images/diagram-little-league-baseball.jpg

[Findog]

no son it just means that he isn't a blind sheep.

It means he's outnumbered and his vote is wasted. Just like mine in Texas.

[Mr. Peabody]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v116/whisperingstorm/howmccainwins.jpg

:lmao:lmao:lmao:rollin:lmao

[lurker]

Dear Republicans,

Don't make signs if you can't spell a simple word like maverick, or if you can't even spell the name of the country you live in.

[MannyIsGod]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v116/whisperingstorm/howmccainwins.jpg

Oh shit...

:lmao

[Cry Havoc]

See? The miracle of my powers in "paint" are awesome.

[MannyIsGod]

Best pain ever dude. I don't care what you call an annular storm, that fucking ruled.

Penis = McCain

[timvp]

Damn, McCain's speech was weak for the first 50 or so minutes. He eventually stopped stumbling over himself near the end.

Then again, most should have known going into it that McCain makes Bush seem like Obama when it comes to giving a speech.

[jn77]

Sorry got in late, Just heard McCain was a POW. Did you guys know that?

[Findog]

John McCain was a POW, and Jerome Bettis is from Detroit.

John Kerry reporting for duty was maudlin horseshit, but John McCain was poignant and resonant. John Fuckin' McCain! He's a fuckin' Maverick!

[CubanMustGo]

Damn, McCain's speech was weak for the first 50 or so minutes. He eventually stopped stumbling over himself near the end.

Then again, most should have known going into it that McCain makes Bush seem like Obama when it comes to giving a speech.

I thot his '04 speech was much more effective.

[timvp]

John McCain was a POW, and Jerome Bettis is from Detroit.

John Kerry reporting for duty was maudlin horseshit, but John McCain was poignant and resonant. John Fuckin' McCain! He's a fuckin' Mavrick!

Fixed.

[Kamala]

sons now that was a real political convention about real issues. not lies. unlike the MTV music awards last week in Denver.

Issues like...

We're winning in Iraq and the surge worked are so true- ok no!


I do wish the dems would ask where that missing 100 million is from the Iraq Reconstruction Fund and why there are more contractors than troops, but it seems like both candidates are going to continue this Iraq scam built on lies.

[scott]

McCain was as effective at keeping me awake as the Redskins offense tonight.

[Findog]

Fixed.

I'm too dumb to know what the butt of that joke is.

[CubanMustGo]

I'm too dumb to know what the butt of that joke is.

A McCain supporter had poster with Maverick spelled incorrectly.

[ducks]

atleast he mentioned heath care did obama NO

[Findog]

A McCain supporter had poster with Maverick spelled incorrectly.

Ah. You know, now that you mentioned it, something my viewing companion said earlier makes more sense now. I stopped paying attention about 25 minutes in, it was so bad.

[PixelPusher]

I'm too dumb to know what the butt of that joke is.

He fixed your east coast liberal elite spelling of "Maverick" to the wholesome, conservative heartland spelling of "Mavrick"

[AFBlue]

I thought McCain did exactly what he needed to do tonight....

He stayed "above the fray" and kept the message positive. He told the POW story not in a self-indulgent way, but as a frame who he is...as a leader and a person.

He reached out to independents and democrats and re-established himself as the reforming maverick of the party.

He even gave the people inside the stadium a few reasons to get up out of their chairs and cheer loudly...especially at the end.

Definitely a home run for McCain.

[scott]

atleast he mentioned heath care did obama NO


Also not mentioned: funding for spelling, grammar and punctuation programs.

[tlongII]

Issues like...

We're winning in Iraq and the surge worked are so true- ok no!


I do wish the dems would ask where that missing 100 million is from the Iraq Reconstruction Fund and why there are more contractors than troops, but it seems like both candidates are going to continue this Iraq scam built on lies.

Dude, the surge DID work. Even Obama admitted it in his interview with O'Reilly tonight.

[AFBlue]

Also not mentioned: funding for spelling, grammar and punctuation programs.

Are we really going to judge a candidate by the supporters he/she garners?

Because Obama is in trouble if those nutjob loudmouth protesters support him. Maybe they can spell, but they sure can't act right.

[Cry Havoc]

Dude, the surge DID work. Even Obama admitted it in his interview with O'Reilly tonight.

Yeah, it only took around a half trillion (1,000,000,000,000) dollars to do it.

[ducks]

this is McCain race to lose
alot of people I know wish his vp was actually the president though

[Findog]

He fixed your east coast liberal elite spelling of "Maverick" to the wholesome, conservative heartland spelling of "Mavrick"

Everybody knows that real Mavricks play the right way, hustle back on defense, make the extra pass, salute the flag and support a strong national defense, unlike those effeminate liberal elitist Mavericks up in Dallas.

[whottt]

McCain's finish was awesome. It's actually going to feel good voting for McCain and Palin....

[ducks]

Yeah, it only took around a half trillion (1,000,000,000,000) dollars to do it.

it also might have saved your life

[T Park]

It was an OK speech. He was a bit all over the place and didn't really stay on one issue.

but McCain is not a speech guy. Hes alot better in townhall meetings, and debates. Thats where he shines when he speeks without teleprompters and can speek free and easy.

What he said about education being "the civil rights issue of our generation" was pretty damn good.

[Findog]

this is McCain race to lose
alot of people I know wish his vp was actually the president though

You know as much about politics as you do LeBron's game.

The race is Obama's to lose. I mean, in summation:


"I know the GOP has screwed this country royally for the last 8 years, but trust me, I'll put an end to it. Don't ask me any details, I've got it figured all out. Go eat a Hot Pocket."

[AFBlue]

this is McCain race to lose
alot of people I know wish his vp was actually the president though

You're nuts if you think so....and that's coming from a McCain supporter.

[whottt]

BTW you guys look like complete fucking assholes for trashing this dude...actually you are completely fucking assholes.


Why don't ya'll go find out where he's at so you can spit on him..

[dav4463]

I thought McCain did a good job. He didn't speak down to us in a condescending way like the Greek God who descended from the heavens to stand between the styrofoam columns did.

[tlongII]

Yeah, it only took around a half trillion (1,000,000,000,000) dollars to do it.

The war was not handled correctly. I think even McCain would admit that. However, McCain isn't GWB. McCain is not your usual repub. Perhaps you liberals will realize that someday.

[ducks]

You know as much about politics as you do LeBron's game.

The race is Obama's to lose. I mean, in summation:

james can not play horse:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit

[Cry Havoc]

it also might have saved your life

:lmao

You're going to have to explain that one for me.

:lmao

[ducks]

maccain is a indepent or liberal
not a repubilican

[Findog]

McCain's finish was awesome. It's actually going to feel good voting for McCain and Palin....

It'll be like rooting for the Mavericks. Hey, they ARE Mavericks! Get it? See what I did there? McCain and Palin are anti-Washington Mavericks, and I root for the basketball team Mavericks, and I just compared them in a way that was witty and clever. Get it? See what I did there?

[hitmanyr2k]

Great, the surge worked. Now what? When is someone going to ask McCain this? I'm sick of hearing about this surge bullshit. It's played out now and he's still breaking his arm patting himself on the back. How about some damn specifics on what comes after? This guy is supposed to have all this experience and yet we never hear any specifics about any of it. He always uses the POW story as a crutch. Where are his policies? He sounds just as hollow as Obama to me and that's inexcusable for someone who's supposedly so "experienced".

[T Park]

McCain's finish was awesome. It's actually going to feel good voting for McCain and Palin....

Yeah I agree, I wasn't a huge McCain fan in the primaries, but he would be a darn good president.

I don't think he will win, but I sure as hell hope he does.

[ducks]

:lmao

You're going to have to explain that one for me.

:lmao

those people could have came over to your country and dropped a bomb on you or shot you with a gun
or use a airplane to destroy buildings and kill people or wait that did happen

thanks clinton

[Cry Havoc]

It'll be like rooting for the Mavericks. Hey, they ARE Mavericks! Get it? See what I did there? McCain and Palin are anti-Washington Mavericks, and I root for the basketball team Mavericks, and I just compared them in a way that was witty and clever. Get it? See what I did there?

:wow Dude you just blew my mind.

[T Park]

BTW you guys look like complete fucking assholes for trashing this dude...actually you are completely fucking assholes.


Why don't ya'll go find out where he's at so you can spit on him..


But the left is about CHANGE!!!!

[Findog]

BTW you guys look like complete fucking assholes for trashing this dude...actually you are completely fucking assholes.


Why don't ya'll go find out where he's at so you can spit on him..

Wait, can you clear something up for me? I hear John McCain might be a POW. Really? Is that so?

Wasn't it maudlin horseshit when John Kerry "reported for duty?" My grandfather rarely talked about his service, it was not something he talked about lightly, and when he did, it certainly wasn't to brag about it. It was a very private thing for him.

[ducks]

Great, the surge worked. Now what? When is someone going to ask McCain this? I'm sick of hearing about this surge bullshit. It's played out now and he's still breaking his arm patting himself on the back. How about some damn specifics on what comes after? This guy is supposed to have all this experience and yet we never hear any specifics about any of it. He always uses the POW story as a crutch. Where are his policies? He sounds just as hollow as Obama to me and that's inexcusable for someone who's supposedly so "experienced".

give me specifics what omama is going to do
except for big big goverment and raise taxes

[Findog]

Great, the surge worked.

No, we're just paying off the warlords and tribal leaders to keep the peace now. Also, the country has kind of been bled dry, literally. There's not as many targets left anymore in a war-torn wasteland.

[whottt]

It'll be like rooting for the Mavericks. Hey, they ARE Mavericks! Get it? See what I did there? McCain and Palin are anti-Washington Mavericks, and I root for the basketball team Mavericks, and I just compared them in a way that was witty and clever. Get it? See what I did there?



Damn you guys are so cynical and miserable...it's just going to drive people away from your cause.

[whottt]

Obama will not do as well as Kerry did in the last election.


It was genuinely hard to vote for Bush and Cheney...it won't be for this ticket.

[T Park]

Obama will not do as well as Kerry did in the last election.


It was genuinely hard to vote for Bush and Cheney...it won't be for this ticket.

I hope your right.

I'm just afraid the country is snowed by Obama's socialism promise BS babble.

[timvp]

Even though McCain's speech sucked for the most part, I kinda liked his strategy. Obama promised the world, the moon, the galaxy and most of the known universe in his speech. McCain talked in generalities but overall, he came across as much more believable. His POW talk got damn old but to me it sounded mostly like filler so he didn't have to start getting too specific.

It looked like the game plan of the speech was:

-I was a POW.
-My mom is 96 so don't worry I'm not going to die.
-I was a POW who was in solitary confinement.
-I love the USA.
-Washington is in need of change.
-I may be a hard ass but I do it because I love my country.
-My grandpa died the day after he came home from the military.
-My mom, who is 96, has a good 24 years on me.
-I was a POW who almost died but I love my country.
-I could have left solitary confinement but I stayed because I'm a hard ass.
-My mom wasn't a POW but I was and both her and me AKA the hard ass love our country.
-We need change.
-POW was I.

Honestly, I'm undecided in this election. I don't respect McCain personally too much but I also don't think he'll do anything to hurt our country. He's a plain candidate who isn't much of a risk and could very well do a good job steering the ship.

Obama seems pretty cool and while he's mostly hot air, his power and ability to herd stupid people is off the charts. If someone is dumb and has no longstanding political bias, chances are they thing Obama is the greatest thing since since sliced bread. Seeing as most of the country is consisted of stupid people, that may very well be a huge asset in office.

It'll be interesting to see who I end up supporting. The last two times, Gore and Kerry were such pitiful candidates that they made the decision easy. There isn't a bad candidate this time so it'll be a tougher choice.

[whottt]

Wait, can you clear something up for me? I hear John McCain might be a POW. Really? Is that so?

Wasn't it maudlin horseshit when John Kerry "reported for duty?" My grandfather rarely talked about his service, it was not something he talked about lightly, and when he did, it certainly wasn't to brag about it. It was a very private thing for him.


McCain doesn't like to talk about his Vietnam experience...he's spent most of his career not talking it...

It may not matter to you guys what the guy went through, but it matters to me. He's not full of shit about it. And you guys can't go after him like you did Bush...he's a vet. His son served in Iraq, his entire family has served this country.

I don't know why ya'll resent that so much...but it's not impressing me.


You're a bunch of cynical whining bitches...

In fact you seem jealous.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I just don't see anything changing with another (R) in office. As of right now, leaning Obama.

And that speech was average at best.

[Mr. Body]

The entire convention was too full of Johns Bio, and constant references to him being a POW.

That's all they have.

Can you explain what else they have? What ideas?

[Findog]

Damn you guys are so cynical and miserable...it's just going to drive people away from your cause.

Democrats used harsh rhetoric in Denver to attack GOP policies and McCain's stands on issues.

Here is what we just heard this week in St. Paul. I could not believe my ears when I heard the following things:

- The former mayor of New York City using "cosmopolitan" as a pejorative

- Republicans talking up a war most people don't like and most of the rest couldn't care less about.


- Chants of "zero, zero, zero" from Republicans, apparently digging Obama on his meteoric rise in politics. This after Democrats went out of their way to pay respect to McCain's sacrifice and public career and Obama personally defended Palin's credentials and boundaries.


- Teen pregnancy being exalted and a good education mocked by the party that used to pride itself on values.


- Community service being demeaned in the most cruel and base way imaginable. As a person who has done community service before and not because I had to, I was saddened and repulsed.


- A VP candidate promising to be "a friend to families with special needs children" while her own special-needs baby was handed off to a seven-year-old (and no, the father didn't step up to hold the baby).


- Civil rights--a proud American tradition--being turned into nothing more into a nasty laugh line by a major party candidate. I bet McCain's captors never "read him his rights" either.


- A nineteen-year-old future soldier identified to the world as the child of a prominent political figure. I didn't appreciate that when Biden did it either.


- Hockey moms being called pit bulls with lipstick. That stuff may play in Peoria, but it's a sexist remark that should be beneath a major party candidate.


- Republicans talking out of one side of their mouth about how waterboarding isn't torture while on the other side they manage to give us every last detail of McCain's ordeal in Hanoi without using the word.


- Republicans somehow taking up the mantle for "real change" after their party has been in power for 6 of the last 8 years and held the presidency all that time. Better late than never, I guess.



This was jaw-dropping, and not in a good way. I was for Obama all along, and the Democrats certainly used harsh rhetoric of their own in Denver, but it was aimed squarely at GOP policies and McCain's stances on the issues.


It's one thing to say that Obama's resume doesn't qualify him to be President, but it's another to look down on and demean his work with the indigent in Chicago, especially when he probably turned down an extremely lucrative career in corporate law in order to do so. There seemed to be something ugly and personal about the way they were attacking Obama, and I think it will backfire.

And you think its liberals and Democrats who are getting ugly? I don't care about Palin's personal family business. What people write on DailyKos or whatever has nothing to do with me or Obama. I don't like what I know of her record in Alaska, and her speech last night was petty and small for somebody accepting a major party nomination for VP.

[T Park]

I don't respect McCain personally too much

I can't honestly say the same.

Call me partisan whatever, the guy is a hell of a man, and he is pretty darn consistent. He even admits when he changes his mind about things and admitted that at the church interview.

[T Park]

Community service being demeaned in the most cruel and base way imaginable. As a person who has done community service before and not because I had to, I was saddened and repulsed.



It was not in the least, you're taking that wayyyy out of context.

[Findog]

McCain doesn't like to talk about his Vietnam experience...he's spent most of his career not talking it...

It may not matter to you guys what the guy went through, but it matters to me. He's not full of shit about it. And you guys can't go after him like you did Bush...he's a vet. His son served in Iraq, his entire family has served this country.

I don't know why ya'll resent that so much...but it's not impressing me.


You're a bunch of cynical whining bitches...

In fact you seem jealous.

I don't think it's relevant enough to the point that they talk about it OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER again instead of talking about what their policy proposals are and what they plan to do for the country. It was cynical horseshit when Kerry pimped his Vietnam service, and it's cynical horseshit from McCain when he has nothing to offer the country except more of the same.

There is much fear of the unknown in Obama, he is a politician, not a Saint descended from the heavens, and he will inevitably do things that offend and upset liberals, moderates or conservatives at one point or another. But he's clearly the better choice here, it's not even close. It's about judgment and competence, not who can hump the flag the best. I wish the stars and stripes junkies would just resume masturbating quietly in the corner.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Macomb County is going blue again, CNN.

[hitmanyr2k]

give me specifics what omama is going to do
except for big big goverment and raise taxes

This isn't about Obama right now. Obama isn't the "experienced" one. McCain didn't give me one damn specific on anything. George Bush did the same thing for 8 years. Promise after promise and didn't deliver on shit. Why am I going to trust McCain when he can't say how he's going to do anything?

That "I want to cut taxes....my opponent wants to raise taxes" bullshit isn't going to fly. A fuckin idiot can stand up there and say that shit. If you have experience and "know how the world works" then bring it and let the people see you're different and know what the hell you're talking about. That whole speech was garbage.

[Kamala]

I have a problem with the idea that the "surge" worked. Sure violence has been reduced, but when the police leave the hornet nest is reborn. This isn't long-term, just an expensive band-aid. I see this as a way to continue corruption of the Bush era.

[T Park]

It's one thing to say that Obama's resume doesn't qualify him to be President, but it's another to look down on and demean his work with the indigent in Chicago, especially when he probably turned down an extremely lucrative career in corporate law in order to do so. There seemed to be something ugly and personal about the way they were attacking Obama, and I think it will backfire.



:lol

Whatever.

[ducks]

it made more sence then obama speech

[remingtonbo2001]

Obama seems pretty cool and while he's mostly hot air, his power and ability to herd stupid people is off the charts. If someone is dumb and has no longstanding political bias, chances are they thing Obama is the greatest thing since since sliced bread. Seeing as most of the country is consisted of stupid people, that may very well be a huge asset in office.

:lmao

[tlongII]

Even though McCain's speech sucked for the most part, I kinda liked his strategy. Obama promised the world, the moon, the galaxy and most of the known universe in his speech. McCain talked in generalities but overall, he came across as much more believable. His POW talk got damn old but to me it sounded mostly like filler so he didn't have to start getting too specific.

It looked like the game plan of the speech was:

-I was a POW.
-My mom is 96 so don't worry I'm not going to die.
-I was a POW who was in solitary confinement.
-I love the USA.
-Washington is in need of change.
-I may be a hard ass but I do it because I love my country.
-My grandpa died the day after he came home from the military.
-My mom, who is 96, has a good 24 years on me.
-I was a POW who almost died but I love my country.
-I could have left solitary confinement but I stayed because I'm a hard ass.
-My mom wasn't a POW but I was and both her and me AKA the hard ass love our country.
-We need change.
-POW was I.

Honestly, I'm undecided in this election. I don't respect McCain personally too much but I also don't think he'll do anything to hurt our country. He's a plain candidate who isn't much of a risk and could very well do a good job steering the ship.

Obama seems pretty cool and while he's mostly hot air, his power and ability to herd stupid people is off the charts. If someone is dumb and has no longstanding political bias, chances are they thing Obama is the greatest thing since since sliced bread. Seeing as most of the country is consisted of stupid people, that may very well be a huge asset in office.

It'll be interesting to see who I end up supporting. The last two times, Gore and Kerry were such pitiful candidates that they made the decision easy. There isn't a bad candidate this time so it'll be a tougher choice.

I am surprised that you don't respect McCain. I don't see how anyone cannot at least respect him. He's endured more than 99.9% of the population can ever imagine. He needs to bring up the POW thing. This election will bring out more voters than any in American history. Many of these people don't know his story. This is an effective way to ensure that message gets to as many people as possible.

[Nbadan]

I can't honestly say the same.

Call me partisan whatever, the guy is a hell of a man, and he is pretty darn consistent. He even admits when he changes his mind about things and admitted that at the church interview.

So you like a guy who doesn't stand on principle? Check....

[Findog]

:lol

Whatever.

You seem scared. I would be too if I was backing a losing cause. It may not happen this year, but things are going to be radically different in 10-15 years.

[T Park]

You seem scared. I would be too if I was backing a losing cause. It may not happen this year, but things are going to be radically different in 10-15 years.

Yeah, we will have a hammer and scicle instead of stars and stripes.

Goody.

[T Park]

So you like a guy who doesn't stand on principle? Check....

He voted against tax cuts, BECAUSE, they didn't include spending cuts.

Think whatever and go ahead and vote for socialism.

[whottt]

By the way...

Any non-idiot can tell Obama's economic plan is not going to work.


You tax the corporations and they will move those companies out of this country. Or they will move the jobs out of this country. Exactly what will he be taxing then? What's left?

Those companies are in the business of making money...they are not going to get jacked willingly.


The ultra rich people will just use loops holes(the loopholes that all the ultra rich Democrats will put in there) to avoid the tax, and the middle class is going to take it up the ass..


Don't get me wrong...I will benefit from Obama's tax plan...but the country won't.


And I still want to know how Obama's going to get gas prices lower....

[timvp]

I am surprised that you don't respect McCain. I don't see how anyone cannot at least respect him. He's endured more than 99.9% of the population can ever imagine. He needs to bring up the POW thing. This election will bring out more voters than any in American history. Many of these people don't know his story. This is an effective way to ensure that message gets to as many people as possible.My beef isn't with his military service. That is definitely commendable.

My lack of respect for McCain more comes from the fact that he cheated on and then left his handicapped wife to marry a rich chick who could further his political aspirations. That was a lame move and it makes me not believe that he's seeking the presidency for any reasons other than that has been his ultimate goal for the last 40 years.

That said, all politicians are dirty so it's hard to either be too surprised or too put off.

[T Park]

nd I still want to know how Obama's going to get gas prices lower....

" I like where Gas prices are. I just think they went up to fast" - Barack Obama

[T Park]

My beef isn't with his military service. That is definitely commendable.

My lack of respect for McCain more comes from the fact that he cheated on and then left his handicapped wife to marry a rich chick who could further his political aspirations. That was a lame move and it makes me not believe that he's seeking the presidency for any reasons other than that has been his ultimate goal for the last 40 years.

That said, all politicians are dirty so it's hard to either be too surprised or too put off.


In that respect, I agree.

[ducks]

By the way...

Any non-idiot can tell Obama's economic plan is not going to work.


You tax the corporations and they will move those companies out of this country. Or they will move the jobs out of this country. Exactly what will he be taxing then? What's left?

Those companies are in the business of making money...they are not going to get jacked willingly.


The ultra rich people will just use loops holes(the loopholes that all the ultra rich Democrats will put in there) to avoid the tax, and the middle class is going to take it up the ass..


Don't get me wrong...I will benefit from Obama's tax plan...but the country won't.


And I still want to know how Obama's going to get gas prices lower....

yep heinz is already making ketchup in Mexico:rolleyes

[timvp]

Democrats used harsh rhetoric in Denver to attack GOP policies and McCain's stands on issues.

Here is what we just heard this week in St. Paul. I could not believe my ears when I heard the following things:

- The former mayor of New York City using "cosmopolitan" as a pejorative

- Republicans talking up a war most people don't like and most of the rest couldn't care less about.


- Chants of "zero, zero, zero" from Republicans, apparently digging Obama on his meteoric rise in politics. This after Democrats went out of their way to pay respect to McCain's sacrifice and public career and Obama personally defended Palin's credentials and boundaries.


- Teen pregnancy being exalted and a good education mocked by the party that used to pride itself on values.


- Community service being demeaned in the most cruel and base way imaginable. As a person who has done community service before and not because I had to, I was saddened and repulsed.


- A VP candidate promising to be "a friend to families with special needs children" while her own special-needs baby was handed off to a seven-year-old (and no, the father didn't step up to hold the baby).


- Civil rights--a proud American tradition--being turned into nothing more into a nasty laugh line by a major party candidate. I bet McCain's captors never "read him his rights" either.


- A nineteen-year-old future soldier identified to the world as the child of a prominent political figure. I didn't appreciate that when Biden did it either.


- Hockey moms being called pit bulls with lipstick. That stuff may play in Peoria, but it's a sexist remark that should be beneath a major party candidate.


- Republicans talking out of one side of their mouth about how waterboarding isn't torture while on the other side they manage to give us every last detail of McCain's ordeal in Hanoi without using the word.


- Republicans somehow taking up the mantle for "real change" after their party has been in power for 6 of the last 8 years and held the presidency all that time. Better late than never, I guess.



This was jaw-dropping, and not in a good way. I was for Obama all along, and the Democrats certainly used harsh rhetoric of their own in Denver, but it was aimed squarely at GOP policies and McCain's stances on the issues.


It's one thing to say that Obama's resume doesn't qualify him to be President, but it's another to look down on and demean his work with the indigent in Chicago, especially when he probably turned down an extremely lucrative career in corporate law in order to do so. There seemed to be something ugly and personal about the way they were attacking Obama, and I think it will backfire.

And you think its liberals and Democrats who are getting ugly? I don't care about Palin's personal family business. What people write on DailyKos or whatever has nothing to do with me or Obama. I don't like what I know of her record in Alaska, and her speech last night was petty and small for somebody accepting a major party nomination for VP.

I liked this better the first time I read it, Effie.

http://letters.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/04/rnc_wed/permalink/e1edbd3e80df9a23bbb68a79df3963d0.html

[tlongII]

My beef isn't with his military service. That is definitely commendable.

My lack of respect for McCain more comes from the fact that he cheated on and then left his handicapped wife to marry a rich chick who could further his political aspirations. That was a lame move and it makes me not believe that he's seeking the presidency for any reasons other than that has been his ultimate goal for the last 40 years.

That said, all politicians are dirty so it's hard to either be too surprised or too put off.

Why do you think Barack married Michelle?

[T Park]

:lol

salon.com

theres a very independent and free thinking periodicle.

[timvp]

Why do you think Barack married Michelle?So his kids could jump high.

[Nbadan]

In case your wondering if McCain is a Neocon Puppet...

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20080905/i/r3400818518.jpg

[tlongII]

So his kids could jump high.

I'm sure the fact that her father is well connected in the Chicago political scene had nothing to do with it.

[Cry Havoc]

McCain doesn't like to talk about his Vietnam experience...he's spent most of his career not talking it...

It may not matter to you guys what the guy went through, but it matters to me. He's not full of shit about it. And you guys can't go after him like you did Bush...he's a vet. His son served in Iraq, his entire family has served this country.

I don't know why ya'll resent that so much...but it's not impressing me.


You're a bunch of cynical whining bitches...

In fact you seem jealous.

Fuck you. My dad was a combat vet. He's killed people, some of them children, because his country ordered him to. Don't come in here high and mighty like we've never had to deal with war in our families. To this day my dad struggles with PTSD from the Vietnam war.

He says he would never go to another war again. In his words, "It is a hell beyond comprehension."


Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.

This world in arms is not spending money alone.

It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.

This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.

----

I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity.

- Former President Dwight D. Eisenhower
4 Star General
Commander, United States Armed forces

That's the only thing that needs to be said about war.

How does McCain feel about war? Well someone asked him and his reply was, "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran." He then laughed.

The differences between a real man and the person that claims "there will be more wars" could NOT be more definite and vast.

[ducks]

In the battleground state of Virginia , for example, Glenn Druckenbrod said he was heading to the local Republican headquarters Thursday to volunteer after watching Palin's speech.

"As a conservative, I've been frustrated since 1988 that we have been lacking an effective communicator," said Druckenbrod, a doctor from Fairfax Station , a suburb of Washington .

"We had George H.W. Bush , then Bob Dole , then George W. Bush . None were effective communicators. Now we've got John McCain . Like him or not, the guy doesn't light you up. Now the Republican Party has someone who can communicate."

[whottt]

Democrats used harsh rhetoric in Denver to attack GOP policies and McCain's stands on issues.

Here is what we just heard this week in St. Paul. I could not believe my ears when I heard the following things:

- The former mayor of New York City using "cosmopolitan" as a pejorative

- Republicans talking up a war most people don't like and most of the rest couldn't care less about.


- Chants of "zero, zero, zero" from Republicans, apparently digging Obama on his meteoric rise in politics. This after Democrats went out of their way to pay respect to McCain's sacrifice and public career and Obama personally defended Palin's credentials and boundaries.


- Teen pregnancy being exalted and a good education mocked by the party that used to pride itself on values.


- Community service being demeaned in the most cruel and base way imaginable. As a person who has done community service before and not because I had to, I was saddened and repulsed.


- A VP candidate promising to be "a friend to families with special needs children" while her own special-needs baby was handed off to a seven-year-old (and no, the father didn't step up to hold the baby).


- Civil rights--a proud American tradition--being turned into nothing more into a nasty laugh line by a major party candidate. I bet McCain's captors never "read him his rights" either.


- A nineteen-year-old future soldier identified to the world as the child of a prominent political figure. I didn't appreciate that when Biden did it either.


- Hockey moms being called pit bulls with lipstick. That stuff may play in Peoria, but it's a sexist remark that should be beneath a major party candidate.


- Republicans talking out of one side of their mouth about how waterboarding isn't torture while on the other side they manage to give us every last detail of McCain's ordeal in Hanoi without using the word.


- Republicans somehow taking up the mantle for "real change" after their party has been in power for 6 of the last 8 years and held the presidency all that time. Better late than never, I guess.



This was jaw-dropping, and not in a good way. I was for Obama all along, and the Democrats certainly used harsh rhetoric of their own in Denver, but it was aimed squarely at GOP policies and McCain's stances on the issues.


It's one thing to say that Obama's resume doesn't qualify him to be President, but it's another to look down on and demean his work with the indigent in Chicago, especially when he probably turned down an extremely lucrative career in corporate law in order to do so. There seemed to be something ugly and personal about the way they were attacking Obama, and I think it will backfire.

And you think its liberals and Democrats who are getting ugly? I don't care about Palin's personal family business. What people write on DailyKos or whatever has nothing to do with me or Obama. I don't like what I know of her record in Alaska, and her speech last night was petty and small for somebody accepting a major party nomination for VP.





You don't get it do you...

When we want to elect assholes...we vote Republican. That's how it works.

We don't elect asshole Democrats..we never have. I mean domestic assholes.


People don't want the Democrats to be ugly. That's not what Democrats are supposed to be. They don't want them to be exactly like the Republicans except just the opposite...

And if you are going to get ugly...you need to prove you can do it with someone other than Republicans.



What they want is the Democrats to be like Clinton...not cynical, uplifting.


And I give Obama credit, visually he is doing that...but his supporters or his people, are undermining it.



We'll see...economics are a powerful factor and since there is a time table for the troop withdraw people may not see the same reasons for vote Republican, I honestly wouldn't expect them too...in many ways this is the exact same situation when Bush 1 got beat by Clinton. But honestly...Bush 1 really isn't any more likeable than W is...and Clinton was. It was easy to see Clinton was going to beat him.



But right now the Republicans are coming off as the more positive party and the Democrats just seem pissed off. Especially over the last few weeks. And the mood I get from the base is entirely different than the one Obama is trying to put out...and it's undermining him.



Remember in the 90's when the Republican were always going after Clinton? Remember how it never worked and just made people despise the Republicans...Democrats are making the exact same mistakes over the last 4 years that the Republicans made then....it was working because Bush is such an idiot and easy target...but it's not working now guys. America is looking for kinder gentler Democrats domestically...

[Cry Havoc]

Obama seems pretty cool and while he's mostly hot air, his power and ability to herd stupid people is off the charts. If someone is dumb and has no longstanding political bias, chances are they thing Obama is the greatest thing since since sliced bread

Interesting you say that.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/106360/Obama-Dominates-Clinton-Among-College-Graduates.aspx

Clearly, Obama is only corralling the less educated of the populace.

[ducks]

April 9, 2008^^^^^

[whottt]

McCain nailed it when he said they're sick of seeing us yell at each other. Whether or not he intends to do that...he was dead on with that statement. I am sick of the partisanship and extremists...

[timvp]

By the way...

Any non-idiot can tell Obama's economic plan is not going to work.


You tax the corporations and they will move those companies out of this country. Or they will move the jobs out of this country. Exactly what will he be taxing then? What's left?

Those companies are in the business of making money...they are not going to get jacked willingly.


This is true. As someone who would have to feel the wrath of that corporate persecution, Obama's plan is somewhat frightening. Promising the world while saying at the same time he's going to cut taxes for 95% of citizens doesn't leave much doubt in what is plan is going to be. He's going to want corporations to grab their ankles. There is no other way of explaining how his plan would work.

All things being equal, I think Obama is more capable of being a better leader. People listen to and believe what he says. He's not a risk to keel over and die any second. It's hard not to like him.

The reason why I'm torn is because Obama's economic plan doesn't seem too logical. More specifically, Obama's plan to somehow recapture outsourced jobs is so amazingly shortsighted that it makes me wonder what else he has up his sleeve.

[T Park]

How does McCain feel about war? Well someone asked him and his reply was, "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran." He then laughed.



He said tonight he despises it, and wouldn't wish it on anyone.

But don't take that into account since you've assumed alot.

[T Park]

As someone who would have to feel the wrath of that corporate persecution, Obama's plan is somewhat frightening. Promising the world while saying at the same time he's going to cut taxes for 95% of citizens doesn't leave much doubt in what is plan is going to be. He's going to want corporations to grab their ankles. There is no other way of explaining how his plan would work.




Not just corporations, but ANY business.

[Cry Havoc]

April 9, 2008^^^^^

What does the date matter? Obama is clearly drawing in large numbers of educated people.

Unless you have data to prove otherwise?

Oh, that's right. You don't. Fail. I more than challenge you to show me where McCain leads Obama among a SINGLE group with a collegiate education.

[T Park]

I more than challenge you to show me where McCain leads Obama among a SINGLE group with a collegiate education

Oh if only we had a college education...

[timvp]

Interesting you say that.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/106360/Obama-Dominates-Clinton-Among-College-Graduates.aspx

Clearly, Obama is only corralling the less educated of the populace.

Clearly, a poll between Obama and Hillary was the way for you to go to prove your point :lol

Besides, most of the dumbest people I know are college educated. The smartest people I know figure out rather quickly that college is for suckers.

:hat

[lurker]

Obama seems pretty cool and while he's mostly hot air, his power and ability to herd stupid people is off the charts. If someone is dumb and has no longstanding political bias, chances are they thing Obama is the greatest thing since since sliced bread. Seeing as most of the country is consisted of stupid people, that may very well be a huge asset in office.

http://i34.tinypic.com/10o4goy.jpg

[timvp]

http://i34.tinypic.com/10o4goy.jpg

What a mavrick avenue you venture.

[Cry Havoc]

Oh if only we had a college education...

You're right. You clearly have a better way of objectively measuring the intelligence of the general populace.

I'm going to go out on a tiny limb here and say that the average doctor has a higher IQ than the average high school graduate with no college education.

[PixelPusher]

http://i34.tinypic.com/10o4goy.jpg
Why do you hate Ameirca?

[Kori Ellis]

Besides, most of the dumbest people I know are college educated. The smartest people I know figure out rather quickly that college is for suckers.

:hat

Umm... thanks? :lol

[whottt]

Interesting you say that.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/106360/Obama-Dominates-Clinton-Among-College-Graduates.aspx

Clearly, Obama is only corralling the less educated of the populace.

Many of those "more" educated people are not actually that intelligent, they're just elitists.


W has degrees from Harvard and Yale...a degree doesn't make you smart. In fact I think Harvard and Yale are where rich idiots go to get their degrees to prove they aren't idiots.

[T Park]

You're right. You clearly have a better way of objectively measuring the intelligence of the general populace.

I'm going to go out on a tiny limb here and say that the average doctor has a higher IQ than the average high school graduate with no college education.

and he might also be dumber than a post.

College eduation just proves you went to school for 4,6,8 years more than than anyone else.

[Nbadan]

Many of those "more" educated people are not actually that intelligent, they're just elitists.

Whott's High School diploma is talking

:lol

[ducks]

and he might also be dumber than a post.

College eduation just proves you went to school for 4,6,8 years more than than anyone else.

and get you in debt and then cry that you have no money and expect the goverment to bail your ass out

after you sign the interest free loans on their houses:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes

[Nbadan]

College eduation just proves you went to school for 4,6,8 years more than than anyone else.

:lmao

[ElNono]

It's certainly funny to see some of you right wingers constantly trying to bring up Obama, and his supposedly nonsensical, inaccurate or plain impossible policy proposals, instead of underlining the intelligent, constructive and well crafted policy proposals by McCain. To an outsider, it certainly reads like:
- You are most likely a partisan hack
- McCain has basically no policy proposals to speak of (not that Obama is any different)
- It's a sorry attempt to make it seem like one candidate is 'even worse' than the other (making it pretty much implicit that the other one is pretty horrible already)

Sometimes some people think that because one candidate's policy is bad/terrible/impossible the other candidate policy is automatically better/good/best. And that's not necessarily the case at all.
It's like boutoun's trying to defend Obama by bringing up one of the McSame rants we're used to see around here.

[ChumpDumper]

Elitist is the new thermite.

[whottt]

Besides, most of the dumbest people I know are college educated. The smartest people I know figure out rather quickly that college is for suckers.

:hat


Timvp speaks the truth...


Bill Gates had no college education when he founded Microsoft....and neither did Michael Dell when he founded Dell. I think Steve Case and Steve Jobs were dropouts too..


College is a good place to go to learn shit, or sometimes to break into a field where a degree is required, but it doesn't make you more intelligent than someone who hasn't gone to college.

[T Park]

Many of those "more" educated people are not actually that intelligent, they're just elitists.


W has degrees from Harvard and Yale...a degree doesn't make you smart. In fact I think Harvard and Yale are where rich idiots go to get their degrees to prove they aren't idiots.


:lol

Ya know I love that, the Democrats talk about the superiority in having a college education, how your only smart if you have been to college, you bring up Bush going and then they quickly drop "Well that doesn't mean anything"

:lol

[Nbadan]

and got you in debt and then cry that you have no money and expect the goverment to bail your ass out

the government doesn't bail people with student loans...go back to school

[Nbadan]

Ya know I love that, the Democrats talk about the superiority in having a college education, how your only smart if you have been to college, you bring up Bush going and then they quickly drop "Well that doesn't mean anything"

Most college educated people don't get into Harvard or Yale because of legacy - DUH!

[ducks]

It's certainly funny to see some of you right wingers constantly trying to bring up Obama, and his supposedly nonsensical, inaccurate or plain impossible policy proposals, instead of underlining the intelligent, constructive and well crafted policy proposals by McCain. To an outsider, it certainly reads like:
- You are most likely a partisan hack
- McCain has basically no policy proposals to speak of (not that Obama is any different)
- It's a sorry attempt to make it seem like one candidate is 'even worse' than the other (making it pretty much implicit that the other one is pretty horrible already)

Sometimes some people think that because one candidate's policy is bad/terrible/impossible the other candidate policy is automatically better/good/best. And that's not necessarily the case at all.
It's like boutoun's trying to defend Obama by bringing up one of the McSame rants we're used to see around here.

my candiate did not make it
the lesser of the 2 evils are mccain by a landfill

[T Park]

Timvp speaks the truth...


Bill Gates had no college education when he founded Microsoft....and neither did Michael Dell when he founded Dell. I think Steve Case and Steve Jobs were dropouts too..


College is a good place to go to learn shit, or sometimes to break into a field where a degree is required, but it doesn't make you more intelligent than someone who hasn't gone to college.

Hell how many times do you hear the story about "Einstein didn't get more than a 3rd grade eduation"

[T Park]

Most college educated people don't get into Harvard or Yale because of legacy - DUH!


Ah of course.

You get in on just name.

Classic...

[dav4463]

Timvp speaks the truth...


Bill Gates had no college education when he founded Microsoft....and neither did Michael Dell when he founded Dell. I think Steve Case and Steve Jobs were dropouts too..


College is a good place to go to learn shit, or sometimes to break into a field where a degree is required, but it doesn't make you more intelligent than someone who hasn't gone to college.


College is a great way to develop social skills more than anything. The friendships you make in college, the experiences you have in college, last you the rest of your life if the experiences don't kill you! I know my college friends made me pretty much forget the old high school buddies for the most part.

[ducks]

the government doesn't bail people with student loans...go back to school

oh wait they have student loans so they sign a interest free loan on their horse
then expect the goverment to bail them out when interest rates go up:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes
big gov is suppose to take care of me they think
I can not take care of myself

[Kori Ellis]

There are idiots everywhere. Education doesn't define intelligence to me. You can have a handful of degrees but not be the sharpest tool in the shed, or not have any college degree and be a genius. Being booksmart isn't the only thing that's important anyway. I prefer the person has a balance of booksmarts, streetsmarts and the savvy to put their knowledge to work.

[whottt]

And BTW, College is also liberal brainwashing...so you could say it makes you stupider. I'd say it takes some people decades to get over the stupidity hammered into their skulls in college.

The fact that old people are overwhelmingly conservative, and that people get more conservative the older they get, kinda of hammers this point home.


Case in point:

Remember all those Supersmart hippies that were dropping all that Acid and doing coke and smack back in the sixties? You know...the guys that were enlightening themselves with altered perception and saw throught he sham of the Vietnam War? How many of them are still doing that shit...living that lifestyle?

Yeah they were real smart.

[Cry Havoc]

W has degrees from Harvard and Yale...a degree doesn't make you smart. In fact I think Harvard and Yale are where rich idiots go to get their degrees to prove they aren't idiots.

W barely passed his courses and it's obvious his daddy had a hand in it. "C" average... by the grace of daddy's money.

Obama was from a relatively poor family. He EARNED his way into Harvard and instructed at the University of Chicago, the latter of which is not well known but has always been one of the top 10 universities in the country. It's not a status-university, and if you don't know your shit there they will kick you out instantly.

[T Park]

And BTW, College is also liberal brainwashing...so you could say it makes you stupider. I'd say it takes some people decades to get over the stupidity hammered into their skulls in college.

:lol QFT

[Kori Ellis]

Oh and timvp's brother just graduated from Yale ... and he's very smart (and there is no Yale legacy in the family).

[T Park]

W barely passed his courses and it's obvious his daddy had a hand in it. "C" average... by the grace of daddy's money.

Obama was from a relatively poor family. He EARNED his way into Harvard and instructed at the University of Chicago, the latter of which is not well known but has always been one of the top 10 universities in the country. It's not a status-university, and if you don't know your shit there they will kick you out instantly.

:lol

Of course of course.

[baseline bum]

Hell how many times do you hear the story about "Einstein didn't get more than a 3rd grade eduation"

This would be the first time I ever heard that.

[Nbadan]

College is a great way to develop social skills more than anything. The friendships you make in college, the experiences you have in college, last you the rest of your life if the experiences don't kill you! I know my college friends made me pretty much forget the old high school buddies for the most part.

Depends on how you decide to educate yourself.....you want a dime a dozen business degree? Psychology? Or a profitable science degree?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Oh and timvp's brother just graduated from Yale ... and he's very smart (and there is no Yale legacy in the family).

Apparently, he just got stupider.

My condolences.