Bynum can't wait to form "twin tower" with Gasol

[LakeShow]

Friday, September 5, 2008
Bynum can't wait to form "twin tower" with Gasol

Recovering Lakers center says, "The knee is good, I'm 100 percent."

By JANIS CARR
The Orange County Register
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Andrew Bynum was disappointed to find so few teammates hanging around the Lakers’ training facility Friday. He was ready, willing and finally able to play basketball.
Nearly eight months after suffering a season-ending knee injury, Bynum is healthy and eager to start the season.
“The knee is good, I’m 100 percent,” Bynum told a crowd of reporters Friday. “I can’t wait to play with the fellas. It’s been about seven months since I did that.”
Last January, Bynum dislocated his left knee and suffered a bone bruise after stepping on Lamar Odom’s foot while attempting a rebound in a game against Memphis. The Lakers had hoped to get him back for the NBA playoffs, but the knee didn’t respond to early rehabilitation efforts.
Bynum had surgery May 21 in New York, and after watching the Lakers lose to the Boston Celtics in the NBA Finals, returned to the East Coast to continue his rehabilitation.
He then headed to Atlanta, where he and trainer Sean Zarzana began a rigorous conditioning program that included weight and track work aimed to strengthen his knee.
“We worked so many hours, I just think the first day I got on the track I knew I was ready,” Bynum said.” I’m better (than before). My times on the track are better, I’m stronger, I’m able to lift more weight. I weight about the same, 285, but with less body fat. The surgery definitely helped.”
Bynum said a week after starting the program, he didn’t experience any pain.
“(I felt relief) the day that I could actually run without any pain, I think,” Bynum said. “And I have been building from that. I don’t have any pain or swelling. I can play three to four hours without pain.”
Bynum said he has participated in 2-on-2 and 3-on-3 games, but hasn’t tested his knee in a full-court situation. He will begin working with Lakers assistant Kurt Rambis on Monday then reconnect with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar for further workouts.
Bynum said he doesn’t foresee any problems with the Lakers having acquired Pau Gasol in his absence. He envisions the two of them forming a formidable defensive team.
“I think it’s going to be great,” he said. “He’ll play the four, I’ll play the five. He’s a good passer as am I and he’ll be able to throw me lobs. So I really can’t wait for it.
“Then on defense, I think we’ll have kind of a ‘Twin Towers’ effect. If they get by him that will already change their shot and I’ll be catching them on the other side, so I think it will work out well.”
Bynum said being away from the game made him appreciate basketball more.
“It definitely made me step back and realize how easily things can be taken away,” he said. “I can’t wait to get back.”

[lefty]

Bynum needs to shut up.

He does have great potential, but he needs to can it

[Anti.Hero]

These young fellas have no respect for history.

They ain't no DRob and TimmyD...GTFoutta here.

[duncan228]

There's more conversation here, the same quote was in another article.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104310

[Sissiborgo]

Bynum sucks he talks like he's lebron but he ain't shit...:wow

[The Franchise]

Friday, September 5, 2008
Bynum can't wait to form "twin tower" with Gasol

Recovering Lakers center says, "The knee is good, I'm 100 percent."

By JANIS CARR
The Orange County Register
Comments 5 (http://www.ocregister.com/articles/lakers-2147267#slComments)| Recommend (http://javascript<b></b>:recommendReview('OCRArticle2147267'))5

Andrew Bynum was disappointed to find so few teammates hanging around the Lakers’ training facility Friday. He was ready, willing and finally able to play basketball.
Nearly eight months after suffering a season-ending knee injury, Bynum is healthy and eager to start the season.
“The knee is good, I’m 100 percent,” Bynum told a crowd of reporters Friday. “I can’t wait to play with the fellas. It’s been about seven months since I did that.”
Last January, Bynum dislocated his left knee and suffered a bone bruise after stepping on Lamar Odom’s foot while attempting a rebound in a game against Memphis. The Lakers had hoped to get him back for the NBA playoffs, but the knee didn’t respond to early rehabilitation efforts.
Bynum had surgery May 21 in New York, and after watching the Lakers lose to the Boston Celtics in the NBA Finals, returned to the East Coast to continue his rehabilitation.
He then headed to Atlanta, where he and trainer Sean Zarzana began a rigorous conditioning program that included weight and track work aimed to strengthen his knee.
“We worked so many hours, I just think the first day I got on the track I knew I was ready,” Bynum said.” I’m better (than before). My times on the track are better, I’m stronger, I’m able to lift more weight. I weight about the same, 285, but with less body fat. The surgery definitely helped.”
Bynum said a week after starting the program, he didn’t experience any pain.
“(I felt relief) the day that I could actually run without any pain, I think,” Bynum said. “And I have been building from that. I don’t have any pain or swelling. I can play three to four hours without pain.”
Bynum said he has participated in 2-on-2 and 3-on-3 games, but hasn’t tested his knee in a full-court situation. He will begin working with Lakers assistant Kurt Rambis on Monday then reconnect with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar for further workouts.
Bynum said he doesn’t foresee any problems with the Lakers having acquired Pau Gasol in his absence. He envisions the two of them forming a formidable defensive team.
“I think it’s going to be great,” he said. “He’ll play the four, I’ll play the five. He’s a good passer as am I and he’ll be able to throw me lobs. So I really can’t wait for it.
“Then on defense, I think we’ll have kind of a ‘Twin Towers’ effect. If they get by him that will already change their shot and I’ll be catching them on the other side, so I think it will work out well.”
Bynum said being away from the game made him appreciate basketball more.
“It definitely made me step back and realize how easily things can be taken away,” he said. “I can’t wait to get back.”

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[JamStone]

These young fellas have no respect for history.

They ain't no DRob and TimmyD...GTFoutta here.

Whoever labeled D-Rob and Duncan the "twin towers" stole it from Hakeem and Ralph. If it's recyclable once, why not again?

[The Franchise]

This Bynum love is Getting as bad as Oden love.

[Hemotivo]

Whoever labeled D-Rob and Duncan the "twin towers" stole it from Hakeem and Ralph. If it's recyclable once, why not again?

[LakeShow]

Whoever labeled D-Rob and Duncan the "twin towers" stole it from Hakeem and Ralph. If it's recyclable once, why not again?

I thought the same thing.

Who do you guys think was the best Twin Towers?

[IronMexican]

I thought the same thing.

Who do you guys think was the best Twin Towers?

Hakeem > D-Rob

Ralph <<< Duncan.


So i'd say D-rob and Duncan.

[angelbelow]

duncan and robinson.

[LakeShow]

I would have to say overall that Duncan and Drob were the best twin towers although I believe that Hakeem and Sampson caused the Lakers the most grief in their play than did Duncan and Drob. Mainly because Kareem was a finesse player and had trouble getting shots off of those guys where Shaq was power and had little to no trouble with Tim and David.

Looks like the rockets aren't the original twin towers.

Seattle Supersonics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Supersonics): Jack Sikma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Sikma) and Marvin "Eraser" Webster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_%22Eraser%22_Webster) (1977-1979)
Houston Rockets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Rockets): Ralph Sampson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Sampson) and Hakeem Olajuwon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakeem_Olajuwon) (1984-1988)
New York Knicks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Knicks): Patrick Ewing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Ewing) and Bill Cartwright (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cartwright) (1985-1988)
San Antonio Spurs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Antonio_Spurs): David Robinson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Robinson_(basketball)) and Tim Duncan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Duncan) (1997-2003)

[JamStone]

I remember when Charlie Villanueva said he envisioned Chris Bosh and himself being a duo similar to Duncan and Robinson and being the next twin towers.

Where do they rank?

[TheMACHINE]

Twin Towers? Did he not forget that Odom will be playing the 3. Thats a hella tall lineup

[lefty]

Hakeem > D-Rob

Ralph <<< Duncan.


So i'd say D-rob and Duncan.

+1 on every count

[monosylab1k]

I can see the nickname working, so long as you assume one tower is made with peanut brittle and the other out of papier mache.

[rj215]

I think the 'Twin Towers' that Bynum was refering to was the sexual position he and Gasol will be using when they get gay with each other. And Kobe'll watch and jerk himself off like he did in Colorado.

[Allanon]

DRob + Duncan > Hakeem + Ralph...just cuz Ralph is no match for Duncan, although Dream could more than hold his own.


Twin Towers? Did he not forget that Odom will be playing the 3. Thats a hella tall lineup

Yup, big ass, yet athletic lineup. I'd say Gasol is the slowest of the bunch but he's still faster than alot of power forwards.

Like your sig btw, Lakers will have the "Triple Towers" this year.

[Roxsfan]

These young fellas have no respect for history.

They ain't no DRob and TimmyD...GTFoutta here.

The Spurs ripped "twin towers" description from the original Twin Towers, Hakeem Olajuwon and Ralph Sampson. Short lived due to Ralph's knees:depressed
ORIGINAL TWIN TOWERS-OLAJUWON AND SAMPSON, check out the first clip, these dudes were some bad ass motherfuckers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65VopPKEPmY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0YUN4DBIgo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l97uj9Uvnvo&feature=related

http://www.ballers.cz/obrazky/1356.jpg

[Roxsfan]

Whoever labeled D-Rob and Duncan the "twin towers" stole it from Hakeem and Ralph. If it's recyclable once, why not again?

beat me to it:wow

[DPG21920]

Its recyclable because each of those sets had at least one hall of fame player if not two. I am not sure, but I do not think that either Pau or Bynum are even close. A nick name should be reserved for those who can compare or deserve it. I guess Kwame and Darko could be the twin towers as well, I mean they are both 6'11 - 7'0 feet tall and played on the same team.

[That's Funked Up]

That's alright cause KG's got a pilots license

[Roxsfan]

Its recyclable because each of those sets had at least one hall of fame player if not two. I am not sure, but I do not think that either Pau or Bynum are even close. A nick name should be reserved for those who can compare or deserve it. I guess Kwame and Darko could be the twin towers as well, I mean they are both 6'11 - 7'0 feet tall and played on the same team.

very compelling arguments there:toast

[Allanon]

Its recyclable because each of those sets had at least one hall of fame player if not two. I am not sure, but I do not think that either Pau or Bynum are even close. A nick name should be reserved for those who can compare or deserve it. I guess Kwame and Darko could be the twin towers as well, I mean they are both 6'11 - 7'0 feet tall and played on the same team.

The last part of the equation is they have to be good players. It's a bit early to say I suppose but the talent is there. Pau is the best player from Spain, Bynum is a possible superstar...there's some star power there. As for Hall of Fame, Pau has a good chance of getting in for his Gold/Silver/Bronze medals in international play, Bynum's still early of course.

[DPG21920]

The last part of the equation is they have to be good players. It's a bit early to say I suppose but the talent is there. Pau is the best player from Spain, Bynum is a possible superstar...there's some star power there. As for Hall of Fame, Pau has a good chance of getting in for his Gold/Silver/Bronze medals in international play, Bynum's still early of course.

If Ginobili is on the "fringe" than there is no chance for Gasol. He is a nice player, but nicknames like "twin towers" should be reserved for people who compare with those who used the name before them. Not saying Gasol and Bynum won't be nice, but giving yourself that nickname is just sad.

It would be like the Cowboys defense giving themselves the Steel Curtain nickname.

[DPG21920]

Ginobili has 2 NBA Championships, an Olympic Gold and Bronze medal, he has won 2 Lega A MVP awards, Euroleague finals MVP award, and a league championship. He has been an NBA all-star, 6th man of the year, and Ginobili is also the only player ever to win a Euroleague title, an NBA championship, and an Olympic gold medal.

[Roxsfan]

That's alright cause KG's got a pilots license

Fuck you and your 9/11 reference asshole

[JamStone]

Ginobili has 2 NBA Championships, an Olympic Gold and Bronze medal, he has won 2 Lega A MVP awards, Euroleague finals MVP award, and a league championship. He has been an NBA all-star, 6th man of the year, and Ginobili is also the only player ever to win a Euroleague title, an NBA championship, and an Olympic gold medal.

Are you saying one of Ginobili's three NBA championships are a fluke or that he didn't earn it?

[JamStone]

Its recyclable because each of those sets had at least one hall of fame player if not two. I am not sure, but I do not think that either Pau or Bynum are even close. A nick name should be reserved for those who can compare or deserve it. I guess Kwame and Darko could be the twin towers as well, I mean they are both 6'11 - 7'0 feet tall and played on the same team.

Amare and Shaq are the real current twin towers.

[DPG21920]

Are you saying one of Ginobili's three NBA championships are a fluke or that he didn't earn it?

Typo obviously

[DPG21920]

Amare and Shaq are the real current twin towers.

That would indeed be a better argument, considering Robinson was at the tail end of his career and Duncan emerging. Just like Shaq and Amare. But there is no way it is even close considering one of the "Twin Towers" won 2 chips together. Plus while you can argue Shaq=Duncan=Robinson, Amare is not in the conversation.

[Ice009]

I think if you want to be a twin tower you have to be leaders of the team.

Olajuwon and Sampson were focal points of the team. That team gets no where with out them. Tim and D-Rob lead the team.

Where would the Lakers be if you take away Kobe? Could Gasol and Bynum lead them anywhere? I don't think they're at that level. Pau showed us he can't take a team anywhere. Bynum is still young though with tons of potential, let's see what he can do. Personally I'd like to see what these guys can do with out Kobe cause who knows with out Kobe they may be about as good as Bosh and Villuenova (no idea how to spell that name) were as a twin tower tandem ;).

I like Bynum and think he is a very good player so far, but I think he needs to keep quiet and show us by letting his game do the talking.

[TheMadHatter]

Kobe is paramount to anything the Lakers do. He is the reason why they are a championship caliber team. Without him the Lakers probably barely make the playoffs if they are lucky.

When you look at championship teams they almost all have one thing in common, the superstar. Without the superstar you just don't win in this league. DET is the only recent team that comes to mind that was able to do it.

[LakeShow]

I think if you want to be a twin tower you have to be leaders of the team.

Olajuwon and Sampson were focal points of the team. That team gets no where with out them. Tim and D-Rob lead the team.

Where would the Lakers be if you take away Kobe? Could Gasol and Bynum lead them anywhere? I don't think they're at that level. Pau showed us he can't take a team anywhere. Bynum is still young though with tons of potential, let's see what he can do. Personally I'd like to see what these guys can do with out Kobe cause who knows with out Kobe they may be about as good as Bosh and Villuenova (no idea how to spell that name) were as a twin tower tandem ;).

I like Bynum and think he is a very good player so far, but I think he needs to keep quiet and show us by letting his game do the talking.

I agree with you to a certain extent but I would also add that a twin tower be defined as players that plays big on both ends of the court and I agree that Pau has not shown that he can do that. Maybe he will this season but the jury is still out. That's probably why Dirk and Bradley/Dirk and Dampier were never referred to as the twin towers although they fit the bill physically. Like Danny Ainge said, Dirk plays 7 feet on the offensive end and 6'5 on the defensive end. You can't be considered a tower playing like a guard on the defensive end.

[Mad_Hatter]

That's alright cause KG's got a pilots license

hahha so wrong but so funny

[Allanon]

I agree with you to a certain extent but I would also add that a twin tower be defined as players that plays big on both ends of the court and I agree that Pau has not shown that he can do that. Maybe he will this season but the jury is still out. That's probably why Dirk and Bradley/Dirk and Dampier were never referred to as the twin towers although they fit the bill physically. Like Danny Ainge said, Dirk plays 7 feet on the offensive end and 6'5 on the defensive end. You can't be considered a tower playing like a guard on the defensive end.

The Lakers need Olympic & International play Pau. It seems when Pau plays for his country, he's a beast. Pau gave Chris Bosh & DHo more than they could handle in that Finals game. If the Lakers had Olympic Pau during the Finals, they coulda had a ring.

[mrspurs]

That would mean our current twin towers are......Timmy and Fab? or Timmy and Kurt? Either way poor Timmy is gonna get schooled again if we go in with the choke artist from Argentina. Fab will go down with some of the biggest choke artists the Spurs ever had easily.

[LakeShow]

The Lakers need Olympic & International play Pau. It seems when Pau plays for his country, he's a beast. Pau gave Chris Bosh & DHo more than they could handle in that Finals game. If the Lakers had Olympic Pau during the Finals, they coulda had a ring.

No doubt. I have to admit that I was pretty down on Pau after the finals, much moreso than Odom and any other Lakers performance. Against the USA, He definitely was a much tougher player than what I saw in the finals. Maybe because his little brother was on the team had something to do with his sudden toughness? I don't know but the Lakers need to see if they can get him to bring that same intensity to the Lakers.

[21_Blessings]

This Bynum love is Getting as bad as Oden love.

How so? Bynum proved he can be dominant at the NBA level whereas Oden hasn't even set foot on a NBA court.

[spursfan09]

I would say Gasol is more like a really long noodle, before I would call him any sort of a building.

[JamStone]

How so? Bynum proved he can be dominant at the NBA level whereas Oden hasn't even set foot on a NBA court.

Very good. I'd hesitate before using the word "dominant" just yet.

[21_Blessings]

Very good. I'd hesitate before using the word "dominant" just yet.

He was playing 'dominant' basketball right before he went down and the Lakers just happened to have the #1 seed at the time. He had games where he completely outplayed Kaman, Amare, Duncan, Biedrens, Okur and Bogut, But no biggie, Bynum is nothing but hype, yup.

[tlongII]

If you people don't believe Oden will dominate then you are idiots.

[21_Blessings]

If you people don't believe Oden will dominate then you are idiots.

You mean hes going to get dominated the first game of the season

[tlongII]

You mean hes going to get dominated the first game of the season

I predict that Bynum will develop a mysterious ailment that will cause him to sit out game 1.

[Spur-Addict]

The Lakers need Olympic & International play Pau. It seems when Pau plays for his country, he's a beast. Pau gave Chris Bosh & DHo more than they could handle in that Finals game. If the Lakers had Olympic Pau during the Finals, they coulda had a ring.

Did anyone see Duncan or KG in the olympics? me neither :lol

[manufor3]

I can see the nickname working, so long as you assume one tower is made with peanut brittle and the other out of papier mache.


I think the 'Twin Towers' that Bynum was refering to was the sexual position he and Gasol will be using when they get gay with each other. And Kobe'll watch and jerk himself off like he did in Colorado.

:lol:lol:lol

[Allanon]

Did anyone see Duncan or KG in the olympics? me neither :lol

We already saw alot of Pau vs Duncan a few months ago unless you've already forgotten that? Pau already beat Duncan during the WCF so there's nothing left to prove there, really. :lol

[21_Blessings]

I predict that Bynum will develop a mysterious ailment that will cause him to sit out game 1.

Oden will develop a mysterious knee ailment that will cause him to sit out another season.

[rj215]

We already saw alot of Pau vs Duncan a few months ago unless you've already forgotten that? Pau already beat Duncan during the WCF so there's nothing left to prove there, really. :lol

Duncan's numbers Vs. Gay-sol and the Lakers in the WCF:

vs. LAL 5 40.2 43-101 .426 0-2 .000 26-44 .591 3.2 14.2 17.4 1.20 2.00 2.40 2.80 4.8 22.4

That's 22 ppg, 17 rbp and 2 bpg

Gasol's numbers:

vs. SA 5 37.0 29-65 .446 0-0 .000 8-11 .727 2.6 7.0 9.6 1.00 1.60 1.60 2.60 3.6 13.2

He had 13 ppg, 9 rpb, and 1 bpg

Looks like Timmy ate Pau's lunch. And if you watched that series, Pau couldn't handle Tim at all. The Lakers used their advantage with Odom, steady play by Bryant and Manu's injury to win.

[21_Blessings]

Looks like Timmy ate Pau's lunch. And if you watched that series, Pau couldn't handle Tim at all. The Lakers used their advantage with Odom, steady play by Bryant and Manu's injury to win.

Notice the 42% Duncan shot on the series. Yeah, he really took Pau's lunch money.

And what Odom advantage? You do realize he was on the BENCH during the majority of both comebacks, right?

Ah, the Manu injury excuse once again. Sure didn't stop him from dropping a 30+ game on the Lakers.

Spurs got punked by the Lakers, plain and simple and that was without their starting center who is only going to get better. Duncan and Manu are on the decline. Parker is what he is: overrated. No future prospects.

The Spurs are fucking done. :bking

[The Franchise]

Notice the 42% Duncan shot on the series. Yeah, he really took Pau's lunch money.

And what Odom advantage? You do realize he was on the BENCH during the majority of both comebacks, right?

Ah, the Manu injury excuse once again. Sure didn't stop him from dropping a 30+ game on the Lakers.

Spurs got punked by the Lakers, plain and simple and that was without their starting center who is only going to get better. Duncan and Manu are on the decline. Parker is what he is: overrated. No future prospects.

The Spurs are fucking done. :bking

Backdoor fuckin sweep.:lmao:lmao

[IronMexican]

I actually agree with everything 21 blessings said.



boy does that feel weird.:lol

[J21]

Notice the 42% Duncan shot on the series. Yeah, he really took Pau's lunch money.

And what Odom advantage? You do realize he was on the BENCH during the majority of both comebacks, right?

Ah, the Manu injury excuse once again. Sure didn't stop him from dropping a 30+ game on the Lakers.

Spurs got punked by the Lakers, plain and simple and that was without their starting center who is only going to get better. Duncan and Manu are on the decline. Parker is what he is: overrated. No future prospects.

The Spurs are fucking done. :bking

thats not the same as pau beating duncan

[ambchang]

I am sure Laker fans noticed that Manu was on fire on the single game he dropped 30 on the Lakers, and made something like 6 of 9 3 pters. I would imagine an ankle injury inhibits Manu's ability to cut, which is normally his strength, more than his ability to launch 3s.

Those arguments also show how much Gasol dominated Duncan ..... or not.

[rj215]

Notice the 42% Duncan shot on the series. Yeah, he really took Pau's lunch money.

And what Odom advantage? You do realize he was on the BENCH during the majority of both comebacks, right?

Ah, the Manu injury excuse once again. Sure didn't stop him from dropping a 30+ game on the Lakers.

Spurs got punked by the Lakers, plain and simple and that was without their starting center who is only going to get better. Duncan and Manu are on the decline. Parker is what he is: overrated. No future prospects.

The Spurs are fucking done. :bking

Boy you're a real fucktard. No one the Spurs had the size to keep up with Odom. Udoka did the best but his lack of height hurt him. Manu had one 'Manu-type' game when he probably didn't have a whole lot of pain in his ankle. It's a shame he didn't get a chance to really play healthy.

Yeah Tim's sure on the decline but that didn't stop him from schooling your boy Pau. Watch the games again moron and you'll see Pau punked by Tim over and over. By the way, he averaged nearly 20, 12 and 2 for the regular season. Any team would kill to have a PF like that.

As far as the Spurs being done, join the chorus of dipshits that say that every year only to see us either make a deep playoff run or win the title. And please let me know how you guys are gonna do when Big Chief Triangle decides to hang it up after a year and Kurt Rambis is your coach.

So kindly STFU, you make Lakers fans look bad with your dumbass statements.

[21_Blessings]

Yeah Tim's sure on the decline but that didn't stop him from schooling your boy Pau. Watch the games again moron and you'll see Pau punked by Tim over and over. By the way, he averaged nearly 20, 12 and 2 for the regular season. Any team would kill to have a PF like that.

Shooting 42% for the series isn't 'schooling' anybody. He also had 40 more shots than Pau. But I wasn't the one who claimed Pau outplayed Duncan so that makes you the fucktard.


As far as the Spurs being done, join the chorus of dipshits that say that every year only to see us either make a deep playoff run or win the title. And please let me know how you guys are gonna do when Big Chief Triangle decides to hang it up after a year and Kurt Rambis is your coach.

Spurs are done. The Lakers emergence made sure that. Title run :lmao :lmao :lmao Good luck with that. Spurs were stomped in 5 games by the Lakers and that was without their steadily improving 20 year old starting center. Seriously, :lol:lol spurs title run :lol:lol


So kindly STFU, you make Lakers fans look bad with your dumbass statements.


Take your own advice and learn to comprehend the post before reply you fucking moron

[Allanon]

Duncan's numbers Vs. Gay-sol and the Lakers in the WCF:

vs. LAL 5 40.2 43-101 .426 0-2 .000 26-44 .591 3.2 14.2 17.4 1.20 2.00 2.40 2.80 4.8 22.4

That's 22 ppg, 17 rbp and 2 bpg

Gasol's numbers:

vs. SA 5 37.0 29-65 .446 0-0 .000 8-11 .727 2.6 7.0 9.6 1.00 1.60 1.60 2.60 3.6 13.2

He had 13 ppg, 9 rpb, and 1 bpg

Looks like Timmy ate Pau's lunch. And if you watched that series, Pau couldn't handle Tim at all. The Lakers used their advantage with Odom, steady play by Bryant and Manu's injury to win.

If you can call losing to the Lakers in 5 eating somebody's lunch, I am not sure what else to think. It's alot like how Amaré gets great numbers in a losing effort because "his team sucks and is injured". Pau won, Duncan lost...the rest are excuses.

[Spur-Addict]

We already saw alot of Pau vs Duncan a few months ago unless you've already forgotten that? Pau already beat Duncan during the WCF so there's nothing left to prove there, really. :lol

Really now? Pau beat Timmy? Interesting. See, what I saw was Duncan totally destroy Pau the first game, then the doubles and triples came the following games. Maybe you need to re eval your choice of eye doctors, the Lakers beat the Spurs, period. Heads up Duncan would kill him like he showed already.


If you can call losing to the Lakers in 5 eating somebody's lunch, I am not sure what else to think. It's alot like how Amaré gets great numbers in a losing effort because "his team sucks and is injured". Pau won, Duncan lost...the rest are excuses.


It's a team game the last time I checked. Although, there is some truth in your statement. Pau was on the victorius side, Timmy lost, but in comparisons with all taken into account, Pau did not beat Timmy. :nope
Also, we can just totally forget when Pau was on Memphis and Duncan destroyed him. But hey, I can understand that some of us have selective memory.

[Allanon]

Really now? Pau beat Timmy? Interesting. See, what I saw was Duncan totally destroy Pau the first game, then the doubles and triples came the following games. Maybe you need to re eval your choice of eye doctors, the Lakers beat the Spurs, period. Heads up Duncan would kill him like he showed already.

Of course, straight up Duncan would kill Pau. But we aren't talking straight up...we're talking on a team.



It's a team game the last time I checked. Although, there is some truth in your statement. Pau was on the victorius side, Timmy lost, but in comparisons with all taken into account, Pau did not beat Timmy. :nope
Also, we can just totally forget when Pau was on Memphis and Duncan destroyed him. But hey, I can understand that some of us have selective memory.

You say "team game" yourself there on the first line but you are going back to 1 on 1? What is it with you and 1 on 1? The simple fact is Pau helped his team in a WIN and Timmy helped his team in a LOSS.

It's funny how Spurfan can say Kobe's selfish because he puts up great numbers but the team loses. Then when it's Duncan, they forget the loss and think he's eating somebody's lunch. Very convenient.

It doesn't matter how great you are individually if your team loses, I doubt that Timmy is telling his friends he "ate Pau's lunch" cuz they'd say "Uhm, you lost, bro".

[Spur-Addict]

Of course, straight up Duncan would kill Pau. But we aren't talking straight up...we're talking on a team.



You say "team game" yourself there on the first line but you are going back to 1 on 1? What is it with you and 1 on 1? The simple fact is Pau helped his team in a WIN and Timmy helped his team in a LOSS.

It's funny how Spurfan can say Kobe's selfish because he puts up great numbers but the team loses. Then when it's Duncan, they forget the loss and think he's eating somebody's lunch. Very convenient.

It doesn't matter how great you are individually if your team loses, I doubt that Timmy is telling his friends he "ate Pau's lunch" cuz they'd say "Uhm, you lost".

That's all I needed to hear in the bold print.

The original issue is, if Pau was olympic Pau we would've won the chip. Well, Pau didn't have to face Duncan or KG in the olympics. The most impressive big men were no where to be found. Sure, you had a half healthy Yao, then other bigs who aren't as polished and refined as Duncan and KG in the olympics. Therefore, the status of Pau in the Olympics was raised. See how this comes full circle?

[Allanon]

That's all I needed to hear in the bold print.

The original issue is, if Pau was olympic Pau we would've won the chip. Well, Pau didn't have to face Duncan or KG in the olympics. The most impressive big men were no where to be found. Sure, you had a half healthy Yao, then other bigs who aren't as polished and refined as Duncan and KG in the olympics. Therefore, the status of Pau in the Olympics was raised. See how this comes full circle?

Ah, but you see the point there, Pau already faced Duncan and won unless the WCF was a dream. I know Spurfan would love to forget it.

If your argument was "Pau didn't see KG in the Olympics" you would have been right and there would have been no argument from me. :D

[rj215]

Shooting 42% for the series isn't 'schooling' anybody. He also had 40 more shots than Pau. But I wasn't the one who claimed Pau outplayed Duncan so that makes you the fucktard.



Spurs are done. The Lakers emergence made sure that. Title run :lmao :lmao :lmao Good luck with that. Spurs were stomped in 5 games by the Lakers and that was without their steadily improving 20 year old starting center. Seriously, :lol:lol spurs title run :lol:lol




Take your own advice and learn to comprehend the post before reply you fucking moron



Yeah he shot 42% and when he missed his shots, he just grabbed the board cuz that pussy Pau couln't do anything with him. Notice the 17 boars per game.

Yeah the Lakers are set...unless Bynum turns into a overhyped bust. All you Lakers fans bust a nut at the thought of this guy and yet all he's done is have 1/2 a great season and then got hurt. Guess what Vince Carter can do the same thing.

And as far the Lakers not having their young center, put done your Kobe blow up doll and use that pea brain of yours. Here's what you forget, stupid ass: IF BYNUM WAS HEALTHY THEY WOULDN"T HAVE TRIED TO GET PAU. So either you have Pau or your 20 old hybrid of Wilt Chamberlin, Bill Russell and Jesus.

And don't forget genuis Duncan > Bynum then and now. Also Duncan > Pau then and now.

Duncan gets credit and the benefit of the doubt because HE CARRIED A TEAM TO AN NBA CHAMPIONSHIP. Let me know when Bynum, Pau or Kobe does that.

It's a shame that none of your 21 blessings was common sense, you dumbass.

[The Franchise]

Yeah he shot 42% and when he missed his shots, he just grabbed the board cuz that pussy Pau couln't do anything with him. Notice the 17 boars per game.

Yeah the Lakers are set...unless Bynum turns into a overhyped bust. All you Lakers fans bust a nut at the thought of this guy and yet all he's done is have 1/2 a great season and then got hurt. Guess what Vince Carter can do the same thing.

And as far the Lakers not having their young center, put done your Kobe blow up doll and use that pea brain of yours. Here's what you forget, stupid ass: IF BYNUM WAS HEALTHY THEY WOULDN"T HAVE TRIED TO GET PAU. So either you have Pau or your 20 old hybrid of Wilt Chamberlin, Bill Russell and Jesus.

And don't forget genuis Duncan > Bynum then and now. Also Duncan > Pau then and now.

Duncan gets credit and the benefit of the doubt because HE CARRIED A TEAM TO AN NBA CHAMPIONSHIP. Let me know when Bynum, Pau or Kobe does that.

It's a shame that none of your 21 blessings was common sense, you dumbass.
Wow.

[Allanon]

And as far the Lakers not having their young center, put done your Kobe blow up doll and use that pea brain of yours. Here's what you forget, stupid ass: IF BYNUM WAS HEALTHY THEY WOULDN"T HAVE TRIED TO GET PAU. So either you have Pau or your 20 old hybrid of Wilt Chamberlin, Bill Russell and Jesus.


Who's to say the deal wasn't already in the works? Pau for Kwame always sounds like a good trade even if you're not in the market.



And don't forget genuis Duncan > Bynum then and now. Also Duncan > Pau then and now.


Duncan is obviously better than Pau and Bynum individually but the NBA is a team sport and the thread topic says "Twin Tower"

Duncan >>>Pau
Duncan >>>>Bynum

Pau >>>>>>>>>>>>Fabricio
Bynum >>>>>>>>>>Fabricio

Pau+Bynum >>>>>>> Duncan + Fabricio

[DPG21920]

Duncan + Fabricio = NBA Title

Pau + Bynum = ?

[TheMACHINE]

Duncan + Fabricio = NBA Title

Pau + Bynum = ?

Pau + Bynum = atelast 3 future titles.

[Spur-Addict]

Ah, but you see the point there, Pau already faced Duncan and won unless the WCF was a dream. I know Spurfan would love to forget it.

If your argument was "Pau didn't see KG in the Olympics" you would have been right and there would have been no argument from me. :D

Duncan is better than Pau in pure skill, you said it. Duncan beat Pau more times in the playoffs as evidenced by the numerous victories over Pau when he was in Memphis. If you wanna play that game, Duncan is up still. Also, we can continue to ignore untimely injuries.. But, he's still up in Playoff victories. Also, I noticed Boston was healthy but w/e.

[Allanon]

Duncan + Fabricio = NBA Title

Pau + Bynum = ?

Duncan + Fabricio = NBA Title circa 2007

Pau = WCF
Pau + Bynum + Kobe + Odom + Ariza + Fisher + Vujacicic + Farmar = Dominance 2008

[Allanon]

Duncan is better than Pau in pure skill, you said it. Duncan beat Pau more times in the playoffs as evidenced by the numerous victories over Pau when he was in Memphis. If you wanna play that game, Duncan is up still. Also, we can continue to ignore untimely injuries.. But, he's still up in Playoff victories. Also, I noticed Boston was healthy but w/e.

Why dig up the past when we have the present WCF winner Pau right here? As of right now and most recently, Duncan lost to Pau.

Sure Shaq beat up alot of guys in the past too but you don't see me bringing him up.

[Spur-Addict]

Duncan + Fabricio = NBA Title circa 2007

Pau = WCF
Pau + Bynum + Kobe + Odom + Ariza + Fisher + Vujacicic + Farmar = Dominance 2008

Facts far outweigh speculation.

[Allanon]

Facts far outweigh speculation.

Duncan + Fabricio = Lost in 5 games to Pau+Odom in the 2007/2008 WCF

[DPG21920]

Pau + Bynum = atelast 3 future titles.

You sir must be a:

http://elainereese.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/crystal-ball.jpg

[DPG21920]

Duncan + Fabricio = NBA Title circa 2007

Pau = WCF
Pau + Bynum + Kobe + Odom + Ariza + Fisher + Vujacicic + Farmar = Dominance 2008

You act like 2007 was 50 years ago, I could understand if you said their last title was in 2002, but they are one year removed from a title and got to the WCF. It is called consistency. The Lakers were first round and done playoff fodder until just last year. Lets see what they can string together first.

[Spur-Addict]

Duncan + Fabricio = Lost in 5 games to Pau+Odom in the 2007/2008 WCF

Again, you choose to ignore what you want. When a guard loses mobility he becomes something totally different. We can keep bullshitting around if you want.

[DPG21920]

Duncan + Fabricio = Lost in 5 games to Pau+Odom in the 2007/2008 WCF

Pau + Odom + Bynum + Sasha + Famar = still yet to win a title. Do they have a good future? Yes. Are they nearly good enough to guarantee "2008 dominance and at least 3 future titles"? No.

I will take an all-time great and a good role player over two above average players any day. Give me someone who has won a title over someone who could possibly. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush (in this case Pau and Bynum)

[Allanon]

Again, you choose to ignore what you want. When a guard loses mobility he becomes something totally different. We can keep bullshitting around if you want.

If you want to bring up the injury excuse, we could say the same about Bynum or Kobe's pinkie on his shooting hand.

[Allanon]

Pau + Odom + Bynum + Sasha + Famar = still yet to win a title. Do they have a good future? Yes. Are they nearly good enough to guarantee "2008 dominance and at least 3 future titles"? No.

I will take an all-time great and a good role player over two above average players any day. Give me someone who has won a title over someone who could possibly. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush (in this case Pau and Bynum)

Are you saying that Duncan + Fabricio is better than Pau + Bynum? That is laughable to me (not the Duncan part but Fabricio?)

If so we can agree to disagree and can bump this thread in a few months to see how it's doing.

[DPG21920]

If you want to bring up the injury excuse, we could say the same about Bynum or Kobe's pinkie on his shooting hand.

So when is Kobe's surgery? Because Manu wants to send him a get well card. He knows how hard surgery can be on a high-level player.

Ya, and getting an injured player sucks, especially when you can make a trade that would not of happened (which your own front office said) that allows you to put in a better player. That would be like Manu going down and we make a trade for T-Mac without giving up anything.

[Allanon]

So when is Kobe's surgery? Because Manu wants to send him a get well card. He knows how hard surgery can be on a high-level player.

Ya, and getting an injured player sucks, especially when you can make a trade that would not of happened (which your own front office said) that allows you to put in a better player. That would be like Manu going down and we make a trade for T-Mac without giving up anything.

If you watched the Finals and the Olympics, you can see Kobe just isn't shooting well. If your shooting hand has a limp finger, I'd think you wouldn't shoot as well as if you had all working fingers to balance the ball.

When did the front office say they wouldn't have made the trade if Bynum didn't get hurt? Kwame for Pau sounds like a no-brainer to me no matter what team it is.

[Spur-Addict]

If you want to bring up the injury excuse, we could say the same about Bynum or Kobe's pinkie on his shooting hand.

A pinkie? Where in fact Kobe performs better? That's no injury. That's an ailment, learn the difference. Gino had and has what people who play sports call an injury. Please, stop with this absurdity.

If Bynum would've played, he takes someones minutes, lineups change, so there's no way you can determine his performance and team performance based on speculation. What you are doing with Bynum is attempting to prove a negative, good luck with that.

[DPG21920]

Are you saying that Duncan + Fabricio is better than Pau + Bynum? That is laughable to me (not the Duncan part but Fabricio?)

If so we can agree to disagree and can bump this thread in a few months to see how it's doing.

Yes I am. Are you saying you would rather have two above average players over one of the best players ever and an average player? If so, that is laughable to me.

It is the sum of the whole, the synergies. You can build around Duncan and Oberto and still win a title. You can not build around Pau + Bynum and win (at least it has not been proven). Lets put it this way since we are so into speculation: Pau + Bynum + Kobe is <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Duncan + Oberto + Kobe. So hence, Duncan and Oberto are better because even if you put another superstar like Kobe with Duncan, it would be over. You can not say that with your duo.

[Allanon]

A pinkie? Where in fact Kobe performs better? That's no injury. That's an ailment, learn the difference. Gino had and has what people who play sports call an injury. Please, stop with this absurdity.

Since when is needing surgery an ailment? Bumps and bruises are ailments, requiring surgery is an injury.

You say Kobe performs better, under that same reasoning, Manu doesn't have an injury cuz he scored 30 in game 3 of the WCF. How can you have an "injury" and still score 30?

Manu and Kobe are both hard-nosed players who play through injuries.



If Bynum would've played, he takes someones minutes, lineups change, so there's no way you can determine his performance and team performance based on speculation. What you are doing with Bynum is attempting to prove a negative, good luck with that.

If Manu played, he would've taken someone's minutes as well and lineups change. What if he played and sucked? What if he played and was great? Nobody knows that's why injury cards suck.

You were the one that played the injury card, I didn't bring it up.

[Allanon]

Yes I am. Are you saying you would rather have two above average players over one of the best players ever and an average player? If so, that is laughable to me.

It is the sum of the whole, the synergies. You can build around Duncan and Oberto and still win a title. You can not build around Pau + Bynum and win (at least it has not been proven). Lets put it this way since we are so into speculation: Pau + Bynum + Kobe is <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Duncan + Oberto + Kobe. So hence, Duncan and Oberto are better because even if you put another superstar like Kobe with Duncan, it would be over. You can not say that with your duo.

Duncan is a great player, don't get me wrong...he just doesn't have a good duo going on.

Pau + Bynum should average 37 points, 25 rebounds
Duncan + Fabricio should average 25 points + 15 rebounds

I would easily take Pau+Bynum+Kobe right now over Kobe+Duncan+Oberto

Alright, so we disagree, I'll bump this thread for you in a few months and see how your boy Fabricio is lighting it up in San Antonio this year.

[Spur-Addict]

Since when is needing surgery an ailment? Bumps and bruises are ailments, requiring surgery is an injury.

You say Kobe performs better, under that same reasoning, Manu doesn't have an injury cuz he scored 30 in game 3 of the WCF. How can you have an "injury" and still score 30?
Manu and Kobe are both hard-nosed players who play through injuries.



If Manu played, he would've taken someone's minutes as well and lineups change. What if he played and sucked? What if he played and was great? Nobody knows that's why injury cards suck.

You were the one that played the injury card, I didn't bring it up.


There is a big difference between the pinky and the ankle. That pinky is an ailment, he keeps delaying treatment, even in the offseason, it isn't as serious.

The ankle is a very unique area, Explanation you say? Sure.

The last season I played, I had a teammate who played on a broken ankle. I'm sorry, let me repeat, ON A BROKEN ANKLE. He was a slasher guard who could dunk and float like it was nothing. During the time of his injury of course he couldn't perform as such, as a result of playing on it he can no longer play. The point here is, you can play on a broken ankel which is certainly an injury. Blasted ligaments certainly are an injury.

If manu played? What are you talking about? You just got done saying he played in the series. :nope

[DPG21920]

If you watched the Finals and the Olympics, you can see Kobe just isn't shooting well. If your shooting hand has a limp finger, I'd think you wouldn't shoot as well as if you had all working fingers to balance the ball.

When did the front office say they wouldn't have made the trade if Bynum didn't get hurt? Kwame for Pau sounds like a no-brainer to me no matter what team it is.

That deal would have not been on the table. The Lakers were already in first place and not looking to do a deal. They were looking for other pieces to fill in some spots, but none of that magnitude. Once they saw Bynum hurt, they made calls to find another very solid player that could keep them in the number one spot. That is when they found Memphis.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/22/AR2008042202903.html


It is also funny how everyone in Laker land forgets that Kobe wanted Bynum's ass shipped out of town. He reamed him in public radio, tv and to fans. Now Bynum is the savior????

[Allanon]

There is a big difference between the pinky and the ankle. That pinky is an ailment, he keeps delaying treatment, even in the offseason, it isn't as serious.

The ankle is a very unique area, Explanation you say? Sure.

The last season I played, I had a teammate who played on a broken ankle. I'm sorry, let me repeat, ON A BROKEN ANKLE. He was a slasher guard who could dunk and float like it was nothing. During the time of his injury of course he couldn't perform as such, as a result of playing on it he can no longer play. The point here is, you can play on a broken ankel which is certainly an injury. Blasted ligaments certainly are an injury.



Kobe's ligament in his finger IS blasted, that's why he requires surgery to fix it....it won't heal on its own. "Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant has been diagnosed with a complete tear of the radial collateral ligament, an avulsion fracture, and a volar plate injury at the MCP joint of the small finger of this right hand, it was announced today"

Also, Didn't Manu also delay/almost forego surgery saying he was fine?

[Allanon]

That deal would have not been on the table. The Lakers were already in first place and not looking to do a deal. They were looking for other pieces to fill in some spots, but none of that magnitude. Once they saw Bynum hurt, they made calls to find another very solid player that could keep them in the number one spot. That is when they found Memphis.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/22/AR2008042202903.html

"When Andrew got hurt, we became more aggressive, but we were having discussions before he got hurt," Kupchak said. "We desperately needed a big player. We really could've gotten away from winning, the way we were. We didn't want to lose another season." "



It is also funny how everyone in Laker land forgets that Kobe wanted Bynum's ass shipped out of town. He reamed him in public radio, tv and to fans. Now Bynum is the savior????

I never forgot that and neither has Kobe. He conceded that he should shut up and stick to playing rather than being a GM. That is why he has become alot more likeable this year.

Yes, Bynum really is the savior. I and other Laker fans here said all last year the Lakers probably wouldn't win it all unless Bynum was playing in the Playoffs.

[Spur-Addict]

Didn't Manu also delay/almost forego surgery saying he was fine?

Did manu have surgery? Yes. Did Manu play on his ankle and re aggrivate it? Yes. Are the Olympics a opportunity you shouldn't pass up b/c you may never play again? Yes.

If Kobe's Pinky was as serious as he implies he'd have surgery. It's better for his team in the long run to correct this AILMENT immeadiately. What happened is this, he noticed he could still perform and knock down four point plays in clutch situations as NORMAL. He noticed he could slash drive and DUNK with this Pinky with certain and same ease. So yeah, I may delay surgery as well if it isn't that serious.

[DPG21920]

Duncan is a great player, don't get me wrong...he just doesn't have a good duo going on.

Pau + Bynum should average 37 points, 25 rebounds
Duncan + Fabricio should average 25 points + 15 rebounds

I would easily take Pau+Bynum+Kobe right now over Kobe+Duncan+Oberto

Alright, so we disagree, I'll bump this thread for you in a few months and see how your boy Fabricio is lighting it up in San Antonio this year.

Your missing the point. The numbers statistically may be better, but that does not mean you can win with them. It is not about Oberto lighting it up. He does lots of things that help a team win and when you place him alongside Duncan it helps. So you are saying you would rather have Pau + Bynum + J.R. Smith than Duncan + Matt Bonner+ Bynum? I mean, Pau and JR's + Bynums combined numbers would be better right? No, because that team, although the numbers are better would not win a title. Duncan's team would. Hence, if you are concerned with winning titles and not stats, Duncan + Oberto is better.

[Allanon]

Did manu have surgery? Yes. Did Manu play on his ankle and re aggrivate it? Yes. Are the Olympics a opportunity you shouldn't pass up b/c you may never play again? Yes.

If Kobe's Pinky was as serious as he implies he'd have surgery. It's better for his team in the long run to correct this AILMENT immeadiately. What happened is this, he noticed he could still perform and knock down four point plays in clutch situations as NORMAL. He noticed he could slash drive and DUNK with this Pinky with certain and same ease. So yeah, I may delay surgery as well if it isn't that serious.

It looks like its normal because it's Kobe but he plays through it even though it probably hurts like hell.

Using your reasoning...Manu still looked like Manu in the Olympics prior to him re-agravating it...I think he was the leading scorer in the Olympics. So obviously Manu playing in the WCF only had an "ailment" as well according to your reasoning.

[DPG21920]

"Gasol likely wouldn't have become a Laker if third-year center Andrew Bynum hadn't suffered a bone bruise and dislocated his left knee on Jan. 13 in a game against the Grizzlies."

If the reporter who was interviewing Mitch, wrote this doesn't that tell you something?

"Lakers General Manager Mitch Kupchak -- whom Bryant openly criticized last summer for failing to ship Bynum in exchange for Jason Kidd -- quietly worked out a deal for Gasol in exchange for Brown, Javaris Crittenton, Aaron McKie, the draft rights to Gasol's brother, Marc, and two first-round draft picks. Asked if he would've made the trade with a healthy Bynum, Kupchak said: "That's a good question. I don't know."

""When Andrew got hurt, we became more aggressive, but we were having discussions before he got hurt," Kupchak said. "We desperately needed a big player. We really could've gotten away from winning, the way we were. We didn't want to lose another season."

All that means is what I have said. They were talking to teams about trades, not Memphis. When Bynum got hurt, they had to go after a bigger fish to stay on top and that is when Memphis (who was in turmoil with Pau) got called. I have heard this on many sports shows and from your front office and the article proves it.

[Allanon]

Your missing the point. The numbers statistically may be better, but that does not mean you can win with them. It is not about Oberto lighting it up. He does lots of things that help a team win and when you place him alongside Duncan it helps. So you are saying you would rather have Pau + Bynum + J.R. Smith than Duncan + Matt Bonner+ Bynum? I mean, Pau and JR's + Bynums combined numbers would be better right? No, because that team, although the numbers are better would not win a title. Duncan's team would. Hence, if you are concerned with winning titles and not stats, Duncan + Oberto is better.

Pau + Bynum + J.R. Smith
Duncan + Matt Bonner+ Bynum

No, that isn't the same, you have a Duncan level player that needs to be offset by a Kobe or DWade. For clarification:

I would take this mix over Duncan+Fabricio+Kobe:

Pau+Bynum+Kobe
Pau+Bynum+LeBron
Pau+Bynum+DWade

Fabricio is obviously the weakest link in any of these arguments, it sure ain't Pau or Bynum.

Or switch it around Duncan+Bynum+Kobe I would take over:

Pau+Fabricio+Kobe
Pau+Fabricio+LeBron
Pau+Fabricio+Dwade

[DPG21920]

See what happens when you use facts and not speculation?

[Allanon]

All that means is what I have said. They were talking to teams about trades, not Memphis. When Bynum got hurt, they had to go after a bigger fish to stay on top and that is when Memphis (who was in turmoil with Pau) got called. I have heard this on many sports shows and from your front office and the article proves it.

1) We know the Lakers were pursuing a big man
2) We don't know if Pau was in the conversation
3) Mitch conceded that they wouldn't win without another big man

I don't know that the Lakers would have traded for Pau or not. The fact is we don't know. Anything else other than Mitch saying "No" is speculation and I've never seen Mitch being quoted as saying "No, we would not have traded Pau for Kwame if Bynum didn't get hurt".

[Spur-Addict]

It looks like its normal because it's Kobe but he plays through it even though it probably hurts like hell.

Using your reasoning...Manu still looked like Manu in the Olympics prior to him re-agravating it...I think he was the leading scorer in the Olympics. So obviously Manu playing in the WCF only had an "ailment" as well according to your reasoning.

An injury is an injury no matter who it is.

Manu Reaggravated his injury after having time off. You are forgetting the unique attributes of the ankle.

I don't Kobe keeling over, clutching his pinky at all. I see no evidence besides a shitty tape job that Manu plays with normally and has in the past. I see no reaggravation during actions which should certainly cause an aggravation such as a thunderous dunk. Manu reaggravated his ankle by simply driving--Which mean use of the ankle..Kobe uses the pinky, nothing.

So, we can keep deviating from the original topic if you want.

[DPG21920]

Pau + Bynum + J.R. Smith
Duncan + Matt Bonner+ Bynum

No, that isn't the same, you have a Duncan level player that needs to be offset by a Kobe or DWade. For clarification:

I would take this mix over Duncan+Fabricio+Kobe:

Pau+Bynum+Kobe
Pau+Bynum+LeBron
Pau+Bynum+DWade

Fabricio is obviously the weakest link in any of these arguments, it sure ain't Pau or Bynum.

That is funny. Duncan and Kobe are better than any of the players on that list. So having a player like Oberto, who may not score a lot will more than offset either Pau or Bynum. That is the point.

So Duncan crushes Bynum or Pau and Oberto is more than capable of guarding either or. He might not dominate, but he will do all the things necessary to win. Then Kobe beats Wade or Lebron. So you are saying that either Bynum or Pau vs Oberto is enough to off set the domination of either Bynum or Pau by Duncan AND the domination of Wade or Lebron by Kobe?

[Allanon]

An injury is an injury no matter who it is.

Manu Reaggravated his injury after having time off. You are forgetting the unique attributes of the ankle.

I don't Kobe keeling over, clutching his pinky at all. I see no evidence besides a shitty tape job that Manu plays with normally and has in the past. I see no reaggravation during actions which should certainly cause an aggravation such as a thunderous dunk. Manu reaggravated his ankle by simply driving--Which mean use of the ankle..Kobe uses the pinky, nothing.

So, we can keep deviating from the original topic if you want.

Uhm, you're the one who said Kobe's injury is not an injury just because he hasn't had surgery. The man has a torn pinky with "blasted ligaments" only held in place by tape and that's not an "injury".

I say both Manu + Kobe have injuries and both play through them. Both Kobe + Manu say they are "fine" but fans like to make excuses for them.

[DPG21920]

1) We know the Lakers were pursuing a big man
2) We don't know if Pau was in the conversation
3) Mitch conceded that they wouldn't win without another big man

I don't know that the Lakers would have traded for Pau or not. The fact is we don't know. Anything else other than Mitch saying "No" is speculation and I've never seen Mitch being quoted as saying "No, we would not have traded Pau for Kwame if Bynum didn't get hurt".

I just showed you an article that says differently. The writer that was interviewing Mitch came to that conclusion after asking him point blank questions. I have heard him talk about it, along with other journalists who interviewed him. All teams are always looking to get better or at trade scenarios. So you can speculate all your b.s. but when I give you something in which there is concrete evidence, with maybe only minor room for interpretation, you say unless he is quoted exactly as saying no, it does not count?

[Allanon]

Oberto is more than capable of guarding either or.

That is the problem right there. Oberto is not capable of guarding either Pau or Bynum. Remember in the last Bynum vs Oberto game? Bynum was killing Oberto so Oberto's only defense was to push Bynum in the back? That's the only way Oberto was stopping Bynum.



So Duncan crushes Bynum or Pau and Oberto is more than capable of guarding either or. He might not dominate, but he will do all the things necessary to win. Then Kobe beats Wade or Lebron. So you are saying that either Bynum or Pau vs Oberto is enough to off set the domination of either Bynum or Pau by Duncan AND the domination of Wade or Lebron by Kobe?

I think Kobe's a great player and all but I don't think he would dominate Wade or LeBron. When you get Superstars like Duncan, Kobe, Wade, LeBron, the difference isn't that much.

So basically Pau+Bynum+LeBron would be better than say Duncan+Fabricio+Kobe

[Spur-Addict]

Uhm, you're the one who said Kobe's injury is not an injury just because he hasn't had surgery. The man has a torn pinky with "blasted ligaments" only held in place by tape and that's not an "injury".

I say both Manu + Kobe have injuries and both play through them. Both Kobe + Manu say they are "fine" but fans like to make excuses for them.

Even if Kobe has an injury, lets just say to give your weak points a rest. Kobe still has his mobility, that is way different than being a stationary player. These are NBA players, upper echelon NBA players at that.

Which means these players can finish with both hands. This also means they can play for an extended period of time with a hand issue (See Manu as well). If you have no mobility I dont care who you are, you are not lasting over an extended period. Willis Reed can play a game with a mobility issue, but an extended period? No. It's the same thing with Manu, you have no legs, you are done. This makes it a far more serious issue opposed to a pinky. A pinky Bro, get real.

[Allanon]

I just showed you an article that says differently. The writer that was interviewing Mitch came to that conclusion after asking him point blank questions. I have heard him talk about it, along with other journalists who interviewed him. All teams are always looking to get better or at trade scenarios. So you can speculate all your b.s. but when I give you something in which there is concrete evidence, with maybe only minor room for interpretation, you say unless he is quoted exactly as saying no, it does not count?

All I see in that article is Mitch saying "I don't know". So it is a maybe but not a yes in either direction. The truth is as a GM, if a deal for Pau for Kwame came along, would you say No?

[DPG21920]

I can post numerous articles from blogs, reporters and such that all back up what I say, so evidently that is the wide consensus around the league. Is it a 100%? No, but what is?

http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/heisler/category/los-angeles-lakers/

Hurt on Jan. 13, Bynum was expected back in March but wound up undergoing arthroscopic surgery and missing the rest of the season. With Pau Gasol arriving to take his place – another piece of good luck for the Lakers who wouldn’t have been pursuing the deal with Memphis if Bynum hadn’t been hurt – the Lakers were never sure how good they were.

They certainly weren’t physical and or imposing defensively. On the other hand, their offense was so good – – they were 34-8 with Gasol in the lineup going into the Finals – there didn’t seem to be anyone better, or close.

It was almost as if they were on a lark. They would be better next season but in the meantime, why not try to take advantage of the opportunity at hand?

They wound up running into the Celtics, who looked out on their feet after going seven, seven and six games deeps in the three first rounds, but seemed quite refreshed in the Finals.

Bryant, who had smoke coming out of his ears in the interview room after their Game 6 loss in Boston, was over it by the time he talked to Laker beat writers three days later after his exit interview with head coach Phil Jackson.

“I’m comfortable with what we have,” Bryant said. “Whatever Mitch [Kupchak, Laker GM] decides to do, he decides to do. It’s more of a relaxing summer for me because I know we have an opportunity to win. It’s exciting.”

[DPG21920]

All I see in that article is Mitch saying "I don't know". So it is a maybe but not a yes in either direction. The truth is as a GM, if a deal for Pau for Kwame came along, would you say No?

Are you that dense? Obviously no one would say no to that. That is not what is being disputed. The point was that the deal MORE THAN LIKELY would not have been made if Bynum was never injured. Which was in reference to my point about Manu being hurt versus Bynum being hurt. Lakers arguments that "oh, well we did not have Bynum" is just silly. You got to replace Bynum with a better, proven player, which would not of happened (which most logical humans that follow the NBA know) if Bynum never got hurt. With Gino, the Spurs had no replacement and could not make a trade during the playoffs. If we got to bring in T-Mac for Gino and still lost, then you can say not having Bynum versus an injured Ginobili is comparable.

[DPG21920]

That is the problem right there. Oberto is not capable of guarding either Pau or Bynum. Remember in the last Bynum vs Oberto game? Bynum was killing Oberto so Oberto's only defense was to push Bynum in the back? That's the only way Oberto was stopping Bynum.



I think Kobe's a great player and all but I don't think he would dominate Wade or LeBron. When you get Superstars like Duncan, Kobe, Wade, LeBron, the difference isn't that much.

So basically Pau+Bynum+LeBron would be better than say Duncan+Fabricio+Kobe

Your not a statistics major are you? You can not look at a sample size so small to make a judgment. Oberto had defended plenty of players better than Bynum and helped the Spurs win a title. In fact, he balled in the playoffs in 07. So yes, he is capable of guarding Pau or Bynum and the fact he has Tim to help out makes it even better.

[Allanon]

Are you that dense? Obviously no one would say no to that. That is not what is being disputed. The point was that the deal MORE THAN LIKELY would not have been made if Bynum was never injured. Which was in reference to my point about Manu being hurt versus Bynum being hurt. Lakers arguments that "oh, well we did not have Bynum" is just silly. You got to replace Bynum with a better, proven player, which would not of happened (which most logical humans that follow the NBA know) if Bynum never got hurt. With Gino, the Spurs had no replacement and could not make a trade during the playoffs. If we got to bring in T-Mac for Gino and still lost, then you can say not having Bynum versus an injured Ginobili is comparable.

It sounds logical that if given the Pau for Kwame ever appeared any GM would say yes so I think it's more likely that the Lakers would have made the trade.

Either way, I just don't KNOW.

But the reality is this point is not worth arguing over, we can disagree all we want upon this and in the end only Mitch really knows.

[Allanon]

Your not a statistics major are you? You can not look at a sample size so small to make a judgment. Oberto had defended plenty of players better than Bynum and helped the Spurs win a title. In fact, he balled in the playoffs in 07. So yes, he is capable of guarding Pau or Bynum and the fact he has Tim to help out makes it even better.

Yes, Tim helps out alot when Fabricio is around doesn't he? It's just not me, just look through the Spurs threads in the other section. I don't see a whole lotta love for the Great Fabricio from Spur fans except you.

[DPG21920]

It sounds logical that if given the Pau for Kwame ever appeared any GM would say yes so I think it's more likely that the Lakers would have made the trade.

Either way, I just don't KNOW.

But the reality is this point is not worth arguing over, we can disagree all we want upon this and in the end only Mitch really knows.

Once again, of course. No one would turn down that trade (unless of course you are really concerned about luxury tax). If Bynum does not get hurt, they do not call Memphis, which is the widely held belief amongst almost everyone that covers the NBA. Also, Mitch did not come right out when asked and say: this deal would have been done no matter what. That leads one to believe that it would not have gone down. Unless you think Memphis called the Lakers before Bynum got hurt and said: "hey, you want Gasol for Kwame?"

[DPG21920]

Yes, Tim helps out alot when Fabricio is around doesn't he? It's just not me, just look through the Spurs threads in the other section. I don't see a whole lotta love for the Great Fabricio from Spur fans except you.

Popovich, one of the best coaches in the league loves Oberto and so do many other players and coaches. Who gives a shit about what fans think? Same fans that wanted Bynum gone are now stroking him.

Please read this article about Oberto...

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/MYSA050908_06C_BKNspurs_oberto_3519e71_html.html

Before each Hornets game, assistant coach Darrell Walker fills a whiteboard in the team's locker room with reminders about how to beat the Spurs.

Even after hours of watching videotape, the coaching staff relies on the hand-written word to reinforce the message. Each player's strengths, weaknesses and tendencies are broken down, reiterated with fat Sharpies.

Some Spurs, though, are easier to condense into a few words than others.

Walker's prompt about Spurs center Fabricio Oberto is straightforward and simple.

“That's a player,” Walker said before the Hornets set out Friday morning to tweak their approach after the Spurs, with a big assist from Oberto, scored a 110-99 victory in Game 3 on Thursday night. “A smart player.”

Check the box score from Game 3 and Oberto's contribution is nearly impossible to quantify. In just under 25 minutes of court time, he took only three shots and scored only two points.

But he played solid interior defense against All-Star power forward David West.

He grabbed nine rebounds and kept two more alive by tipping them out to teammates. That helped the Spurs gain a tiny advantage on the boards against one of the NBA's best offensive rebounding units.

He was most proud of his defensive work.

“Sometimes when you see us trying to be more aggressive on defense that is the main factor,” he said. “And when you do a good job on the boards, it just helps each other. Sometimes maybe it looks like you are not part of the team, but it's teamwork. I think the team really focused really well on that.

“Fifty-six (points) I think was a lot for our defense to give in the first half, and that was the main thing we focused on in the second half.”

Yielding only 43 in the second half gave the Spurs the cushion they needed to get their first victory of the series, and Oberto contributed two assists during the fourth-quarter surge that cemented their victory, including a pass to fellow Argentine Manu Ginobili for the biggest play of the fourth quarter.

With strong position in the low left block, Oberto took a pass from Tim Duncan for what most believed would be a move on the basket.

Instead, Oberto glimpsed Ginobili running to an open spot behind the 3-point line.

Passing up a short jumper for a Ginobili 3-pointer, he said, was an easy decision.

“I saw him from my right side running for the three,” Oberto said, “and I saw that Mo Peterson was inside the paint, clogging everything. And so that was it.

“When you pass the ball out to Manu, that is always a good play. Three points instead of two, and I always will want to pass to him out there when he is running alone.”

Ginobili nailed the wide-open 3-pointer and turned it into a four-point play after Bonzi Wells, racing to contest the shot, ran into him after he released the ball.

“That's one thing that I always put up there on the board, that he's a really good interior passer,” Walker said. “That pass to Ginobili, and another one from the top (of the key), a bounce pass to Tim, were great passes.

“Every coach in the league would like to have a guy like that on their team.”

Bruce Bowen, no stranger to having his effort go unnoticed, said all of Oberto's teammates understand his value rarely is reflected in the box score.

“Sometimes his stats don't appear on a piece of paper,” Bowen said. “Then you get in the film session and see the things he's done, you say, ‘Wow, look at Fab. That play was awesome.'

“And then a little later, you're saying it again.”

[DPG21920]

Yes, Tim helps out alot when Fabricio is around doesn't he? It's just not me, just look through the Spurs threads in the other section. I don't see a whole lotta love for the Great Fabricio from Spur fans except you.

Also, I am not arguing that Oberto is better than Bynum, Pau or any other player. I am arguing that having Kobe and Duncan + Oberto is more than enough to be better than Pau, Bynum and Wade or Lebron or Kobe

[Allanon]

Even if Kobe has an injury, lets just say to give your weak points a rest. Kobe still has his mobility, that is way different than being a stationary player. These are NBA players, upper echelon NBA players at that.

Which means these players can finish with both hands. This also means they can play for an extended period of time with a hand issue (See Manu as well). If you have no mobility I dont care who you are, you are not lasting over an extended period. Willis Reed can play a game with a mobility issue, but an extended period? No. It's the same thing with Manu, you have no legs, you are done. This makes it a far more serious issue opposed to a pinky. A pinky Bro, get real.

Nobody's saying that Manu's injury isn't more serious. I'm just saying that Kobe had an injury, who knows how much easier the Lakers would have won if Kobe didn't have an injury.

The point is with injuries, you can either make an excuse for them or not. Should Laker fans hold the injury card out if the Lakers don't win the championship this year because Kobe is injured? Should the Celtics get an asterik cuz Bynum was out? Hell no, injury cards are for pussies. Celtics were the 2007/2008 Champs, end of story.

You takes your chances, no team should get an asterik (win or loss) due to injuries. You either win or you lose. In this case, Duncan lost to Pau and I am sure Duncan wouldn't preface his loss with "we lost because Manu was injured". And furthermore, Duncan wouldn't say or even think he ate Pau's lunch during the WCF because Pau helped his team win.

[DPG21920]

So what do you think the result would have been if everyone that played at least one minute in the Spurs v Lakers WCF was healthy completely?

[Allanon]

So what do you think the result would have been if everyone that played at least one minute in the Spurs v Lakers WCF was healthy completely?

It would have been a much more interesting series.

[Spur-Addict]

Nobody's saying that Manu's injury isn't more serious. I'm just saying that Kobe had an injury, who knows how much easier the Lakers would have won if Kobe didn't have an injury.

The point is with injuries, you can either make an excuse for them or not. Should Laker fans hold the injury card out if the Lakers don't win the championship this year because Kobe is injured? Should the Celtics get an asterik cuz Bynum was out? Hell no, injury cards are for pussies. Celtics were the 2007/2008 Champs, end of story.

You takes your chances, no team should get an asterik (win or loss) due to injuries. You either win or you lose. In this case, Duncan lost to Pau and I am sure Duncan wouldn't preface his loss with "we lost because Manu was injured". And furthermore, Duncan wouldn't say or even think he ate Pau's lunch during the WCF because Pau helped his team win.

All of this is true, but you still can't deny the fact that he became a zombie out there. Yeah he suited up, as any player should do come playoff time, but there is a huge difference between no mobility and a pinky injury.

The way you speak of Pau is as if he was some magical being, and when things were more even it showed against Boston.

[DPG21920]

It would have been a much more interesting series.

Meaning a closer series? Which implies Manu's injury was more serious than Kobe's.

[Allanon]

All of this is true, but you still can't deny the fact that he became a zombie out there. Yeah he suited up, as any player should do come playoff time, but there is a huge difference between no mobility and a pinky injury.

The way you speak of Pau is as if he was some magical being, and when things were more even it showed against Boston.

Pau sucked against Boston. It seemed as if he just disappeared. Then come the Olympics, he starting playing very well again even against the likes of DHo & Chris Bosh. That's my whole point in the Olympic Pau > > Finals Pau statement.

[Allanon]

Meaning a closer series? Which implies Manu's injury was more serious than Kobe's.

Of course Manu's injury is more serious than Kobe's, I never debated it. I debated whether Kobe has an injury or an "ailment". I also said we'll never know how good Kobe would have been without his injury just like we'll never know how good Manu would have been without his.

The whole "What If xxxxxx was not injured" argument in my opinion is always a pointless argument.

[Spur-Addict]

Pau sucked against Boston. It seemed as if he just disappeared. Then come the Olympics, he starting playing very well again even against the likes of DHo & Chris Bosh. That's my whole point in the Olympic Pau > > Finals Pau statement.

Magic Pau? Or Difference in talent ?

I'll take the latter as it is quite obvious.

[Allanon]

Magic Pau? Or Difference in talent ?

I'll take the latter as it is quite obvious.

Nah, I take Magic Pau.

In the Olympics he gets fired up and leads his team, in NBA play, he defers to Kobe to lead. He just has to stop being a wuss. I do think we'll see a much tougher "Magic Pau" this season, regardless of KG/Duncan/DHo, etc. With Pau's skill and size, he should be able to score 20 on pretty much any opponent.

[Spur-Addict]

Nah, I take Magic Pau.

In the Olympics he gets fired up and leads his team, in NBA play, he defers to Kobe to lead. He just has to stop being a wuss. I do think we'll see a much tougher "Magic Pau" this season, regardless of KG/KG/DHo, etc. With Pau's skill and size, he should be able to score 20 on pretty much any opponent.

This has been the same eval for years. Pau needs a bodyguard, and if Bynum so much as flinches, it will end the same.

[Allanon]

This has been the same eval for years. Pau needs a bodyguard, and if Bynum so much as flinches, it will end the same.

I'll have to wait a few months to decide this and if it's true, I would admit it.

[Spur-Addict]

I'll have to wait a few months to decide this and if it's true, I would admit it.

I'd wait until the serious areas of the post season to make a decision, but that's just me.

[21_Blessings]

lol look at all these pathetic, delusional SA fans who think their team actually has a shot next season. Hilarious. :lol

Your team is done. Time to accept that reality.

Just pretend it's 97 all over again, bench Duncan for the year and tank for Rubio or something. It's the only chance the Spurs have to be relevant over the next 5-8 whilst the Lakers steamroll the league.

[DPG21920]

Smilies are for girls

[Spur-Addict]

lol look at all these pathetic, delusional SA fans who think their team actually has a shot next season. Hilarious. :lol

Your team is done. Time to accept that reality.

Just pretend it's 97 all over again, bench Duncan for the year and tank for Rubio or something. It's the only chance the Spurs have to be relevant over the next 5-8 whilst the Lakers steamroll the league.

Delusional? hilarious? Excuses? Below is an accurate depiction. (Oh, i'm impressed, "whilst" :lol)


Nah, I take Magic Pau.

In the Olympics he gets fired up and leads his team, in NBA play, he defers to Kobe to lead. He just has to stop being a wuss. I do think we'll see a much tougher "Magic Pau" this season, regardless of KG/Duncan/DHo, etc. With Pau's skill and size, he should be able to score 20 on pretty much any opponent.

See bold print.

[ambchang]

http://oneyearbibleimages.com/chickens_hatch.jpg

[Indazone]

Hey Lakefans

How's that twin towers thing working for ya now??
:lmao

[Allanon]

Hey Lakefans

How's that twin towers thing working for ya now??
:lmao

It's actually pretty damn good in my opinion. Bynum/Pau are the best Center/PF combo in the NBA.

I think both have a very good chance of being coach selected to the All Star game.

[itzsoweezee]

It's actually pretty damn good in my opinion. Bynum/Pau are the best Center/PF combo in the NBA.

I think both have a very good chance of being coach selected to the All Star game.

you've got to be kidding.

[Allanon]

you've got to be kidding.

Who is a better PF/C combo in the NBA?

[lil_penny]

Who is a better PF/C combo in the NBA?

I would take bosh/oneal, stoudamire/oneal and boozer/okur over them. Just off the top of my head.

Put all b.s. with boozers dumb ass aside though.

Gasol and bynum are a good combo don't get me wrong, but i personally think the three mentioned above are better.

[Indazone]

Gasol is soft as French Crepe Suzette and Bynum right now = Odem who by the way = the candiman.

So basically the Lakers have Crepe Suzette with Candiass.

[Brazil]

Gasol is soft as French Crepe Suzette and Bynum right now = Odem who by the way = the candiman.

So basically the Lakers have Crepe Suzette with Candiass.

:lmao are you really familiar with the Crêpe Suzette ?

[Brazil]

Les crêpes Suzette, grand classique de la cuisine française inventé par Auguste Escoffier (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auguste_Escoffier), sont préparées avec du "beurre Suzette" (beurre fondu et mélangé avec du sucre, du Grand Marnier (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Marnier), de l'orange et du citron). Elles peuvent ensuite être flambées au Grand Marnier, mais cette dernière étape est sujette à controverse entre partisans et opposants du flambage de la crêpe.

The point is the crêpe is not soft it's a crêpe with Grand Marnier. The crêpe suzettes are for big man

[Allanon]

Gasol is soft as French Crepe Suzette and Bynum right now = Odem who by the way = the candiman.

So basically the Lakers have Crepe Suzette with Candiass.

Bynum gets his points/blocks/rebounds in limited minutes. I think he's doing very well and will continue to get better. Bynum brings much more presence to the court than Oden at this point.

Pau is a bit soft (not as soft as last year) but it doesn't hurt the Lakers due to him being surrounded by Kobe/Fisher/Bynum and Odom off the bench.

There is no better combo at C/PF than Pau/Bynum.

[Indazone]

Mon dieu! Le Pau Gasol et flambage????

[Brazil]

I would take bosh/oneal, stoudamire/oneal and boozer/okur over them. Just off the top of my head.

[Brazil]

Mon dieu! Le Pau Gasol et flambage????

Even burned with Grand Marnier Pau is tasteless :)

[Indazone]

Yao Scolandry = number 1 rated Center PF combos.

[Allanon]

Yao Scolandry = number 1 rated Center PF combos.

I'll take Pau/Bynum over Yao/Scola.

Yao > Bynum
Pau > Scola

Bynum > Scola

[Allanon]

I would take bosh/oneal, stoudamire/oneal and boozer/okur over them. Just off the top of my head.

Put all b.s. with boozers dumb ass aside though.

Gasol and bynum are a good combo don't get me wrong, but i personally think the three mentioned above are better.

Stoudemire/O'Neal is pretty close, Shaq is straight out dominant about 15 minutes a game but he's not usually effective past that.

Bosh/O'Neal I don't find even close, Pau/Bynum killed them already

Boozer/Okur, I've yet to see this year and it looks like Boozer's going to be out for quite some time. But I do take Bynum over Boozer any day. And most likely Pau over Okur.

[j.dizzle]

Hey Lakefans

How's that twin towers thing working for ya now??
:lmao

why did u even bump this thread? bynum & gasol are doing fine, you should be worrying about your handicap team :lol t-mac & yao are softer then gasol's hair after he conditions it haha

[Showtime24 LAKERS]

they been doing quite well if u ask, glad we never gotta to face em' down da road..possibly one of the most powerful offsensive towers in the nba today..while enjoying our best record in the wild wild west!!:hat:toast

[lefty]

Twin Towers ??????

:lol:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[endrity]

Dirk>Gasol
Damp>Bynum

Dirk&Damp>Gasol&Bynum

[IronMexican]

I gotta say, this is one retarded bump. 25-5. Pau has been gread. Drew, not so much, but that's expected with a 21 year old.

[Kobe™]

Rofl
Lakers w/o Bynum>>> Mavs

[endrity]

Rofl
Lakers w/o Bynum>>> Mavs



That has to do more with Kobe than anyone else though!

[endrity]

I gotta say, this is one retarded bump. 25-5. Pau has been gread. Drew, not so much, but that's expected with a 21 year old.

Exactly, Drew might be really good one day, but right now he is an average center at best. Seems like most Laker fans value on him on his potential rather on his real output.

[Allanon]

Dirk>Gasol
Damp>Bynum

Dirk&Damp>Gasol&Bynum

Didn't you watch the game? Bynum got whatever he wanted against Dampier.

Dampier had something like 0 points and 3 rebounds the last time he met Mr. Bynum.

[dirk4mvp]

Didn't you watch the game? Bynum got whatever he wanted against Dampier.

Dampier had something like 0 points and 3 rebounds the last time he met Mr. Bynum.


Dirk > Bynum and Pau

[lefty]

Bynum has potential

Gasol has been fantastic so far; in fact, he has been the best Laker this season (that`s right, Kobe fans)

But can someone please close this stupid thread

[Allanon]

Dirk > Bynum and Pau

I like Dirk as much as anybody but that's pretty crazy.

Dirk > Pau
or
Dirk > Bynum

but not Dirk > Pau AND Bynum combined

Pau has indeed been great this year, top 5 Power Forward and Bynum Top 3 Center.

[endrity]

Damp has had some great games against the Lakers recently. What are you talking about?

I agree about Gasol though, it's crazy that some Laker fans continue to bash him or underrate him. He has been amazing form them since he joined the team.

[Allanon]

Damp has had some great games against the Lakers recently. What are you talking about?

November 28 (last Dallas vs Lakers game)

Dampier - 24 minutes
0 points, 3 rebounds, 1 block

Bynum - 36 minutes
18 points, 10 rebounds, 2 blocks and 50% shooting

[endrity]

before that, going to last season as well?

[pauls931]

I thought he wanted to form a dirty trombone?