Republicans and McCain supporters

[TheMadHatter]

How do you defend this?

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/09/politics/horserace/entry4433099.shtml

Seriously. Tell me right now, how you can defend this ridiculous ad by your nominee without saying "well the LEFT does it TOOOO". Tell me.

[Nbadan]

at least he didn't call him an old fish...

[baseline bum]

haha

[Wild Cobra]

How do you defend this?

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/09/politics/horserace/entry4433099.shtml

Seriously. Tell me right now, how you can defend this ridiculous ad by your nominee without saying "well the LEFT does it TOOOO". Tell me.
Well, first, I need to see the text of SB 99. My search for it has so far failed. If what I heard about it is true, Obama is a bad naughty man...

[boutons_]

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=&SessionId=3&GA=93&DocTypeId=SB&DocNum=99&GAID=3&LegID=734&SpecSess=&Session

" Each class or course in comprehensive sex
education offered in any of grades K 6 through 12..."

[Wild Cobra]

The only pertinent think I could find on SB 99 that wasn't appears to honestly criticize the bill is from the Illinois Right to Life Committee (http://www.illinoisrighttolife.org/ActionNeededArchive.htm):


SEX-ED BILL (SB 99)
Illinois Family Institute's latest press release on the "MARRIAGE-DOESN'T-MATTER" bill.

2/10/2003 3:51:27 PM

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

WARNING! MARRIAGE-FREE ZONE AHEAD!

February 10, 2003 -- Illinois Family Institute is urging Illinois legislators to deep-six a proposed Marriage-Doesn’t-Matter Sex Education bill. Senate Bill 99, sponsored by state Sen. Carol Ronen, would eliminate any mention of marriage from the comprehensive sex education/family living programs for Illinois public school students.

“It seems someone is playing a sick joke on Illinois pupils and families by suggesting that comprehensive sex ed and family living classes are complete without a whisper about marriage,” opined Dawn Earl, IFI’s education policy analyst.

The current language in the Illinois School Code requires that “course material and instruction shall teach honor and respect for monogamous heterosexual marriage.” This language is completely eliminated in the proposed legislation.

Why is the government attempting to make sex education classes marriage-free zones? Ronen’s bill seems oddly out of touch with the reams of research data piling up in favor of the positive effects of marriage on society and culture.

David Popenoe and Barbara Dafoe Whitehead, in The State of Our Unions 2001, wrote of marriage as “a fundamental social institution. It is central to the nurture and raising of children. It is the ‘social glue’ that reliably attaches fathers to children. It contributes to the physical, emotional, and economic health of men, women, and children, and thus to the nation as a whole. It is also one of the most highly prized of all human relationships and a central goal of most Americans.”

IFI believes that current data overwhelming supports the need to teach students to honor and respect the institution of marriage.

Citing the high costs of divorce and unmarried childbearing on children and taxpayers, Maggie Gallagher of the Institute for American Values looked for ways the government can reduce these costs. One of the recommendations indicated by her research findings: Add an explicit marriage message to all government-funded teen pregnancy programs.

Other issues. Beyond the glaring reality of the marriage controversy, the proposed rewrite of the state law concerning the teaching of sex education and family living classes raises a number of other serious issues. Consider the implications of the following proposed changes:

• While marriage is being banned from Illinois classrooms, kids as young as kindergarten would be included in the state-mandated comprehensive sex education program if this measure were adopted.

• While the bill calls for “medically accurate” sex education programs, it redefines STDs (sexually transmitted diseases) as mere infections. Such political pandering with medical terminology opens the door for legitimate challenges to the whole concept of “medically accurate.”

• The bill also replaces the “emphasis on abstinence until marriage” and “emphasis on abstinence as the only protection that is 100% effective against pregnancy” language with “discussion of abstinence as a method to prevent pregnancy.”

• Rather than teaching alternatives to abortion, the bill contains the recommendation to “teach all options related to unintended pregnancy.” Combine this with the proposed statuary requirement to provide pupils with information on “counseling, medical, and legal resources available.” No mention is made of parental notification in these cases.

• All of this material and instruction will now be “free of racial, ethnic, gender, religious, or sexual orientation biases.” Is there any value in value-less family life and sex education lessons?

• Also eliminated by the Marriage-Doesn’t-Matter bill is any “discussion of the emotional and psychological consequences of preadolescent and adolescent sex outside of marriage.”

I have read other material talking about age appropriate sex education, but I have only heard rumors of the actual content, never the written text.

[Wild Cobra]

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=&SessionId=3&GA=93&DocTypeId=SB&DocNum=99&GAID=3&LegID=734&SpecSess=&Session

" Each class or course in comprehensive sex
education offered in any of grades K 6 through 12..."

Wow.

No wonder I couldn't find it. He wasn't a sponsor or co-sponsor.

So, just what has he accomplished?

[boutons_]

"He wasn't a sponsor or co-sponsor" so not only did McStupid lie about kindergarten sex ed, he lied about HUSSEIN's role in it. therefore, logical, fair-minded WC conclusion is that HUSSEIN has accomplished has accomplished nothing. "just what has he accomplished?" do you know how to google?

[Wild Cobra]

"He wasn't a sponsor or co-sponsor" so not only did McStupid lie about kindergarten sex ed, he lied about HUSSEIN's role in it. therefore, logical, fair-minded WC conclusion is that HUSSEIN has accomplished has accomplished nothing. "just what has he accomplished?" do you know how to google?
It must be one of those things Obama took credit for that he only voted for. I didn't follow up on the amendments, maybe he authored one of them.

Anyway, I agree McCain should have verified it, but it was common knowledge that Obama sponsored the bill. It wasn't disputed in 2004 to my knowledge when he ran against Keyes.

Yes, I know how to use search engines and do not call it 'Googling.' Google is one of several search engines out there. That would be like calling all liberals 'boutons!' I find the term biased for them only, and I am open minded.

I was looking for bills authored by him *AND* SB 99.

So tell me. Just what has he accomplished?

[Anti.Hero]

Just give them a JC penny catalog and introduce them to the internet around 10-12.

Life goes on.

[efrem1]

"He wasn't a sponsor or co-sponsor" so not only did McStupid lie about kindergarten sex ed, he lied about HUSSEIN's role in it. therefore, logical, fair-minded WC conclusion is that HUSSEIN has accomplished has accomplished nothing. "just what has he accomplished?" do you know how to google?

According to my research, this bill was referred to the Senate Health and Human Services Committee where Barack Obama was the Chairman; it passed on a straight partyline vote (7 to 4) He voted for it.

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=99&GAID=3&DocTypeID=SB&LegId=734&SessionID=3&GA=93

[fyatuk]

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=&SessionId=3&GA=93&DocTypeId=SB&DocNum=99&GAID=3&LegID=734&SpecSess=&Session

" Each class or course in comprehensive sex
education offered in any of grades K 6 through 12..."

So the bill was changed at some point from 6th to K, but merely specifies what such courses should contain, not that they MUST be offered, and makes sure to allow opt-outs for parents who do not want their children to go through it.

[boutons_]

bottom line: "HUSSEIN is for sex education for kindergarten" is just another McSame/Schmidt fear-and-smear slime attack. "should have verified" :lol They made a fucking ad about this, it was NO oversight or accident. but don't nobody say the lipstick pitbull bitch lies about bridge to nowhere

[fyatuk]

bottom line: "HUSSEIN is for sex education for kindergarten" is just another McSame/Schmidt fear-and-smear slime attack. "should have verified" :lol They made a fucking ad about this, it was NO oversight or accident. but don't nobody say the lipstick pitbull bitch lies about bridge to nowhere

Actually, it's an exageration, but something that can be claimed as true. Obama is apparently on record as voting for a bill that authorizes comprehensive sex education to kindergardners. Whatever the intentions of the bill, it does indeed do that.

[101A]

Actually, it's an exageration, but something that can be claimed as true. Obama is apparently on record as voting for a bill that authorizes comprehensive sex education to kindergardners. Whatever the intentions of the bill, it does indeed do that.

It's the game; it's semantics. Much of the population is going to vote on the sound-bite. Each side is trying to get the one that sways the other side.

"McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time". The vast majority of senate votes are unanimous; does the Obama camp mention that HE voted with Bush over 85% of the time?

Or how about taxes; does Obama ever talk about actual percentages of taxation? Would he EVER say, I am going to make some people pay over 50% of their income in taxes"? No, he doesn't. Why?

Hey, that's the game. Say it with spin, but without outright lying - THAT'S how you win elections.

It wasn't conservatives who wanted to give every imbecile with a pulse at 18 the right to vote. You bring back literacy tests, or property ownership as requirements to vote and some of this will end; otherwise, you've got "JayWalk Allstars" in the voting booth.

[fyatuk]

It's the game; it's semantics. Much of the population is going to vote on the sound-bite. Each side is trying to get the one that sways the other side.


No doubt. It's all about creating a thought that sticks in people's minds. And of course it's easier to create that thought with negatives than positives which is why all elections are mudslinging anymore. Well, that and the fact that most voters don't seem to have the compacity to really understand the cause-effect of the candidates stances on issues, anyway.

It's disgusting and disturbing, but that's how the cookie crumbles in the US. People vote for the catchy slogan, not for the candidate.

[JoeChalupa]

The republicans are masters of this game and they are in it to win.

[TheMadHatter]

This ad misleads, works to create fear, and it is a blatant lie. The bill that was referenced in this ad was put forth to teach kids they do not come from the stork, and more importantly, it provides age-appropriate information to small children, our most vulnerable citizens, about inappropriate touching. A few facts:

1 in 4 girls is sexually abused before the age of 18.

1 in 6 boys is sexually abused before the age of 18.

Nearly 70% of all reported sexual assaults occur to children ages 17 and under.

An estimated 39 million survivors of childhood sexual abuse exist in America today.

30-40% of victims are abused by a family member.

Another 50% are abused by someone outside of the family whom they know and trust.

The median age for reported abuse is 9 years old.

More than 20% of children are sexually abused before the age of 8.

Most children don’t tell even if they have been asked.

To try for political gain in this manner is entirely unacceptable, and extremely offensive. Call or write the McCain campaign and let them know there are limits, and this time they have definitely crossed the line. This is definitely not the change I was looking for in my next president.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Sex Ed for Kindergarteners 'Right Thing to Do,' Says Obama
July 18, 2007 1:13 PM

ABC News' Teddy Davis and Lindsey Ellerson Report: Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., told Planned Parenthood Tuesday that sex education for kindergarteners, as long as it is "age-appropriate," is "the right thing to do."
"I remember Alan Keyes . . . I remember him using this in his campaign against me," Obama said in reference to the conservative firebrand who ran against him for the U.S. Senate in 2004. Sex education for kindergarteners had become an issue in his race against Keyes because of Obama’s work on the issue as chairman of the health committee in the Illinois state Senate.
"'Barack Obama supports teaching sex education to kindergarteners,'" said Obama mimicking Keyes' distinctive style of speech. "Which -- I didn’t know what to tell him (laughter)."
"But it’s the right thing to do," Obama continued, "to provide age-appropriate sex education, science-based sex education in schools."

Speaking to a young woman who asked a question about sex education, Obama said, "You, as a peer, can have enormous power over your age cohort but you’ve got to have some support from the schools. You certainly should not have to be fighting each and every instance by providing accurate information outside of the classroom because inside the classroom the only thing that can be talked about is abstinence."
"Keep in mind: I honor and respect young people who choose to delay sexual activity," Obama continued. "I’ve got two daughters, and I want them to understand that sex is not something casual. That's something that we definitely want to communicate and should be part of any curriculum. But we also know that when the statistics tell us that nearly half of 15 to 19 year olds are engaging in sexual activity, that for us to leave them in ignorance is potentially consigning them to illness, pregnancy, poverty, and in some cases, death."
When Obama's campaign was asked by ABC News to explain what kind of sex education Obama considers "age appropriate" for kindergarteners, the Obama campaign pointed to an Oct. 6, 2004 story from the Daily Herald in which Obama had "moved to clarify" in his Senate campaign that he "does not support teaching explicit sex education to children in kindergarten. . . The legislation in question was a state Senate measure last year that aimed to update Illinois' sex education standards with 'medically accurate' information . . . 'Nobody's suggesting that kindergartners are going to be getting information about sex in the way that we think about it,' Obama said. 'If they ask a teacher 'where do babies come from,' that providing information that the fact is that it's not a stork is probably not an unhealthy thing. Although again, that's going to be determined on a case by case basis by local communities and local school boards.'"
In addition to local schools informing kindergarteners that babies do not come from the stork, the state legislation Obama supported in Illinois, which contained an "opt out" provision for parents, also envisioned teaching kindergarteners about "inappropriate touching," according to Obama's presidential campaign. Despite Obama's support, the legislation was not enacted.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/07/sex-ed-for-kind.html

[TheMadHatter]

Anyone who believes teaching kids age-appropriate information about sex is wrong deserves to be shot in the face.

[dg7md]

Conservative Republicans are why this nation is in the place its in, with crap like this that gun-bearing, arrogant flag-waving and religious nutjobs will get a kick out of. They know that, so they aim for that crowd...

[101A]

Anyone who believes teaching kids age-appropriate information about sex is wrong deserves to be shot in the face.


Conservative Republicans are why this nation is in the place its in, with crap like this that gun-bearing, arrogant flag-waving and religious nutjobs will get a kick out of. They know that, so they aim for that crowd...

And they say the right wing is intolerant and hate-filled.

Damn.

:rollin

[2centsworth]

Anyone who believes teaching kids age-appropriate information about sex is wrong deserves to be shot in the face.

is teaching a 5 yr old about STDs , including how to prevent them age appropriate? teach my 5 yr old girl that when she has sex make sure the dude wears a rubber.

really all my 5 yr old should be doing is watch cartoons, eat ice cream, and play. no need to introduce her to sexuality.

My 9 yr old is different story, but my wife and I will handle that.

[2centsworth]

And they say the right wing is intolerant and hate-filled.

Damn.

:rollin

your problem is that you listen to right win radio, no worries we will take care of that soon.

[Wild Cobra]

A few things have me concerned about the bill.

1) It changes the Sex Education from starting at the 6th grade to kindergarten. Now there may be things some people consider appropriate at that age, but others don't. Some people think it chopping away at a child's innocence. Some people think it will start children experimenting sooner. My main concern it that government is encroaching even more upon a parents responsibility. If they want their children to remain innocent of such knowledge, then they definitely have that right. I know, there is a clause that parents can opt with. I have seen such clauses as my children went through grade school. Very few people take such a route because then other children question why such-n-such isn't in class and then tease them.

2) Who decides age appropriate and what is it limited to?

3) Many things are changed I disagree with. One is removing the fact that abstinence is 100% effective against pregnancy and disease.

4) they change the term "diseases" to "infections," which downplay the severity. They are called STD's not STI's!

I could go on, but I'm running low on time here today.