FWDT, is this for real? RE: Obama's citizenship

[whottt]

http://obamacrimes.com/attachments/016_Obama%20Complaint%20from%20Pacer.pdf


I know, I know...propaganda site, but after reading it sounds like Obama and the DNC could be in some serious shit.

Is this citizenship issue a bullshit distraction that's been refuted or is this legitimate?

I know the lawsuit is legitimate, this case is being pursued against Obama and the DNC ...amazingly enough it's not anywhere on the news.

I just want to know if it's bullshit distractions or if there is a legitimate case against him.


BTW, a Daily Kos Birth Certificate does not count.



On the one hand...Obama could be setting them up to be owned if he has his birth certificate...but OTOH, that Idonesian Citizenship thing sounds like it will be a huge issue. Not to mention the Kenyan birth certificate...


Then again, forcing Obama to withdraw could put them up against Hillary and with the way Obama's stock is plummeting that could put the Republicans back at square one. But it sounds like they are pursuing it period.


I don't care if the law should be different...I care about if both Obama and the DNC know he can't pass the citizenship requirement and are trying to bury it.

[SpursFanFirst]

Whottt, do you ever read roguegovernment.com?
There was an article posted on there a couple of weeks ago. It actually came from a Pakistani news organization.

I'll see if I can find the link.

[SpursFanFirst]

Here you go...

The RogueGovernment link is: http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=11657

And the Pakistan Daily link is: http://www.daily.pk/world/84-worldnews/6726-barack-obama-is-not-a-us-citizen.html

[Mr. Peabody]

I'm no fancy lawyer, but here is the law on the issue -



http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103525
Well, given that Obama was born in Hawaii he is a national of the US by birth and therefore, the following applies -



United States Code, Title 8
§ 1481. Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions

(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—

(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or

(2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or

(3) entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state if
(A) such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States, or
(B) such persons serve as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer; or

(4)
(A) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years if he has or acquires the nationality of such foreign state; or
(B) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years for which office, post, or employment an oath, affirmation, or declaration of allegiance is required; or

(5) making a formal renunciation of nationality before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state, in such form as may be prescribed by the Secretary of State; or

(6) making in the United States a formal written renunciation of nationality in such form as may be prescribed by, and before such officer as may be designated by, the Attorney General, whenever the United States shall be in a state of war and the Attorney General shall approve such renunciation as not contrary to the interests of national defense; or

(7) committing any act of treason against, or attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States, violating or conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section 2383 of title 18, or willfully performing any act in violation of section 2385 of title 18, or violating section 2384 of title 18 by engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, if and when he is convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction.

I don't think anyone is alleging any of these against Obama.

[Nbadan]

:sleep


Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania - 01/04/07) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, announced today that he was issuing a call for world leaders to arrest and try Bush and Cheney for the global crimes of 9/11/01.

Philip J. Berg, Esquire stated in a letter to the nations throughout the world:

[B]"It is time for the nations of the world to come forth and take the leadership because of the failure of the United States Government and the States where crimes were committed on 09/11/01, where no thorough investigation and indictments occurred, to investigate, arrest and prosecute the people responsible for the murders on 9/11/01, specifically including George W. Bush and Richard Cheney."

Link (http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/01/philip-j-berg-nutbar-supreme.html)

Umm.....whottt..............this dude thinks 911 was an inside job

[SpursFanFirst]

I'm no fancy lawyer, but here is the law on the issue -

I don't think anyone is alleging any of these against Obama.


Let's assume he was born in Hawaii as he says (I only say that because there's speculation he wasn't)...

According to what I've read, at some point, he took on an Indonesian citizenship. They don't allow dual citizenship there, so he would've had to give up his American citizenship.

Did he then change back at some point?

[Nbadan]

According to what I've read

Really dude......next time, just delete those chain emails

:lol

[SpursFanFirst]

Really dude......next time, just delete those chain emails

:lol

A) I'm NOT a "dude," as my avatar shows.

and

B) It wasNOT a chain letter. But nice try.

[Mr. Peabody]

http://obamacrimes.com/attachments/016_Obama%20Complaint%20from%20Pacer.pdf


I know, I know...propaganda site, but after reading it sounds like Obama and the DNC could be in some serious shit.

Is this citizenship issue a bullshit distraction that's been refuted or is this legitimate?

I know the lawsuit is legitimate, this case is being pursued against Obama and the DNC ...amazingly enough it's not anywhere on the news.

I just want to know if it's bullshit distractions or if there is a legitimate case against him.


BTW, a Daily Kos Birth Certificate does not count.



On the one hand...Obama could be setting them up to be owned if he has his birth certificate...but OTOH, that Idonesian Citizenship thing sounds like it will be a huge issue. Not to mention the Kenyan birth certificate...


Then again, forcing Obama to withdraw could put them up against Hillary and with the way Obama's stock is plummeting that could put the Republicans back at square one. But it sounds like they are pursuing it period.


I don't care if the law should be different...I care about if both Obama and the DNC know he can't pass the citizenship requirement and are trying to bury it.

Honestly, it's a bullshit case. In the relevant fact section of the complaint, the Plaintiff cites to Wikipedia to "establish" a fact about Obama's life. He also cites a web entry "Online Journal" as additional evidence that Obama is not a citizen. He additionally references a photograph he saw online of a Candian Birth Certificate and the television show Inside Edition.

I don't think there's much validity to this thing.

[Mr. Peabody]

Let's assume he was born in Hawaii as he says (I only say that because there's speculation he wasn't)...

According to what I've read, at some point, he took on an Indonesian citizenship. They don't allow dual citizenship there, so he would've had to give up his American citizenship.

Did he then change back at some point?

Read the statute I posted out of the United States Code, if you are a native born citizen you have to voluntarily take some action after the age of eighteen to lose your citizenship.

From the State Department

The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws based on its own policy. Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth.

A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth. U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.

[SpursFanFirst]

Read the statute I posted out of the United States Code, if you are a native born citizen you have to voluntarily take some action after the age of eighteen to lose your citizenship.

From the State Department

:lol Sorry. It's after 2am here. I'm not able to comprehend legal jargon at this time.

[Mr. Peabody]

:lol Sorry. It's after 2am here. I'm not able to comprehend legal jargon at this time.

Oh no, I wasn't trying to be rude.:toast I know that statutes can be convoluted. I was just pointing out that it's laid out in the United States Code.

Honestly, in my opinion, there isn't much to the claim.

[whottt]

I'm no fancy lawyer, but here is the law on the issue -






I don't think anyone is alleging any of these against Obama.



Did you read the document I posted?



Why doesn't Obama just produce his birth certificate and end the distraction?

[Mr. Peabody]

Did you read the document I posted?



Why doesn't Obama just produce his birth certificate and end the distraction?

I did read the document you posted. There was a thread here in the past about it.

And he did produce his birth certificate.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Factcheck.org examined it, took pictures of it, and proclaimed it to be valid.

http://cdn.factcheck.org/imagefiles/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/hands.jpg
http://cdn.factcheck.org/imagefiles/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/signature.jpg
http://cdn.factcheck.org/imagefiles/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/seal.jpg
http://cdn.factcheck.org/imagefiles/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/blowup.jpg
http://cdn.factcheck.org/imagefiles/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/certificatenumberscreen.jpg

Obama birth announcement in Honolulu Advertiser

http://cdn.factcheck.org/imagefiles/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/announcementclose-up.jpg

[SpursFanFirst]

Oh no, I wasn't trying to be rude.:toast I know that statutes can be convoluted. I was just pointing out that it's laid out in the United States Code.

Honestly, in my opinion, there isn't much to the claim.

Oh no. I understand...after re-reading it, I saw what you were saying.
I'm just a tad slow. :lol

[whottt]

:sleep



Link (http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/01/philip-j-berg-nutbar-supreme.html)

Umm.....whottt..............this dude thinks 911 was an inside job


LOL and so do you.

IMO, the US Government certainly could have had something to do with 9/11...inside job? No...doesn't make sense.

W agreeing to let it happen? Being in on it?

Never in a million years would he have agreed to something like that.

Point about 9/11 is...whether they were or not, anti-American terorism is real. Just like point about Iraq War was...regardless of why we went in, we were still in and it was too late to pull out.

[Nbadan]

LOL and so do you.

Link?

[024]

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_3.jpg

the claim is fueled by Indonesia not allowing dual citizenship. so if the alleged claim that Obama received Indonesian citizenship in Indonesia, it means that Indonesia does not recognize Obama's U.S. citizenship. Indonesia may not recognize Obama's US citizenship but that doesn't mean he lost it. in the eyes of the US, Obama is still a US citizen because he was born in hawaii, as the link to the picture above proves.

[whottt]

Link?

:lmao


Ok now seriously..

:lmao


Here's for starters:


http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2010&page=2

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3071

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2087

[whottt]

I did read the document you posted. There was a thread here in the past about it.

And he did produce his birth certificate.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Factcheck.org examined it, took pictures of it, and proclaimed it to be valid.

http://cdn.factcheck.org/imagefiles/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/hands.jpg
http://cdn.factcheck.org/imagefiles/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/signature.jpg
http://cdn.factcheck.org/imagefiles/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/seal.jpg
http://cdn.factcheck.org/imagefiles/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/blowup.jpg
http://cdn.factcheck.org/imagefiles/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/certificatenumberscreen.jpg

Obama birth announcement in Honolulu Advertiser

http://cdn.factcheck.org/imagefiles/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/announcementclose-up.jpg


They covered that too...they said it wasn't a birth certificate.


If that is a true birth certificate then this will be thrown out instantly...


Read the link I posted...the PDF.

[PixelPusher]

http://cdn.factcheck.org/imagefiles/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/announcementclose-up.jpg

:lol Did Obama fake the newspaper archives too?

[Mr. Peabody]

IMO, the US Government certainly could have had something to do with 9/11...inside job? No...doesn't make sense.

W agreeing to let it happen? Being in on it?

Never in a million years would he have agreed to something like that.


I'm not a fan of Bush, but, like you, I absolutely reject any notion that he had something to do with 9/11. He'd have to be truly evil to take part in something like that and I don't think that he is. He's not a great President, but he's also not the goddamn Devil.

[PixelPusher]

I'm not a fan of Bush, but, like you, I absolutely reject any notion that he had something to do with 9/11. He'd have to be truly evil to take part in something like that and I don't think that he is. He's not a great President, but he's also not the goddamn Devil.

He'd have to have been a great planner too, and possess a talent for hiring a large host of exceptionally competent accomplices.

[whottt]

:lol Did Obama fake the newspaper archives too?


It's not a birth certificate...

Look it sounds hokey to me too...which is why I asked is there was anything to it.

If he's got a birth certificate it's all moot and should be over with quickly.


If it's bullshit it will actually McCain look foolish if he is pursuing the same angle.


Honestly at this point, all the Republicans need to landslide this is just keep playing the Reverend Wright soundbite on commercials...that's enough.

[whottt]

Ok after looking at FactCheck that looks like a birth certificate to me and not whatever this guy said it was...so he's probably just an asshat.

And yeah on the Indonesian thing, just because the Idonesians considered him no longer a US citizen doesn't mean the US had the same interpretation. I'll agree with that...this lawyer is twisting shit.