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Mr. Peabody
09-13-2008, 02:15 PM
Latest attempt by the sexist liberal left to smear the most qualified candidate we've seen in decades -



Link to Article with Expanded Analysis and Cites (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/energetically_wrong.html)
Energetically Wrong
September 12, 2008
Palin says Alaska supplies 20 percent of U.S. energy. Not true. Not even close.
Summary
Palin claims Alaska "produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy." That's not true.

Alaska did produce 14 percent of all the oil from U.S. wells last year, but that's a far cry from all the "energy" produced in the U.S.

Alaska's share of domestic energy production was 3.5 percent, according to the official figures kept by the U.S. Energy Information Administration.

And if by "supply" Palin meant all the energy consumed in the U.S., and not just produced here, then Alaska's production accounted for only 2.4 percent.

Palin: Let me speak specifically about a credential that I do bring to this table, Charlie, and that's with the energy independence that I've been working on for these years as the governor of this state that produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy, that I worked on as chairman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, overseeing the oil and gas development in our state to produce more for the United States.

McCain: Well, I think Americans are going to be very, very, very pleased. This is a very dynamic person. [Palin's] been governor of our largest state:wow, in charge of 20 percent of America's energy supply.



Out of the 12 most recent articles on FactCheck's home page 9 are related to McCain/Palin speeches or ads by the McCain campaign.:wow


Energetically Wrong
September 12, 2008
Palin says Alaska supplies 20 percent of U.S. energy. Not true. Not even close.

Belittling Palin?
September 11, 2008
A McCain-Palin TV ad accuses Obama of being "disrespectful" of Palin, but it distorts quotes to make the case.

School Funding Misleads
September 11, 2008
An Obama ad plays fast and loose with McCain's voting record on education and proposals as a presidential candidate.

McCain-Palin Distorts Our Finding
September 10, 2008
Those attacks on Palin that we debunked didn't come from Obama.

Off Base on Sex Ed
September 10, 2008
A McCain campaign ad claims Obama's "one accomplishment" was a bill to teach sex ed to kindergarten kids. Don't believe it.

Sliming Palin
September 8, 2008
False Internet claims and rumors fly about McCain's running mate.

FactChecking McCain
September 5, 2008
He made some flubs in accepting the nomination.

GOP Convention Spin, Part II
September 4, 2008
Palin trips up on her facts, and Giuliani and Huckabee have their own stumbles on Night 3 of the Republican confab.

Maverick Misleads
September 4, 2008
A McCain ad comparing Palin to Obama isn't all above board.

GOP Convention Spin
September 3, 2008
Lieberman and Thompson make misleading claims about Obama on Day Two of the party in St. Paul.

Hit the Brakes
September 3, 2008
An Obama ad running in Michigan claims McCain didn't support loan guarantees for the auto industry. In fact, he does support them.

A New Stitch in a Bad Pattern
September 2, 2008
A McCain ad wrongly claims Obama plans "painful tax increases" for working families. And who's talking about deficits?

TheMadHatter
09-13-2008, 02:29 PM
Not surprised, but if Obama wants to capitalize on this he needs to start pointing out the obvious lies. I just don't get why he hasn't gone on the offensive yet.

clambake
09-13-2008, 02:33 PM
because people aren't republicans due to integrity. truth doesn't matter.

mogrovejo
09-13-2008, 02:34 PM
because people aren't republicans due to integrity.

Integrity = making ads mocking the injuries an American solider suffered while being tortured

Mr. Peabody
09-13-2008, 02:38 PM
Not surprised, but if Obama wants to capitalize on this he needs to start pointing out the obvious lies. I just don't get why he hasn't gone on the offensive yet.

They need ads like this -

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Not like this -

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IceColdBrewski
09-13-2008, 02:41 PM
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html


* Palin did not cut funding for special needs education in Alaska by 62 percent. She didn’t cut it at all. In fact, she increased funding and signed a bill that will triple per-pupil funding over three years for special needs students with high-cost requirements.

* She did not demand that books be banned from the Wasilla library. Some of the books on a widely circulated list were not even in print at the time. The librarian has said Palin asked a "What if?" question, but the librarian continued in her job through most of Palin's first term.

* She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a group that wants Alaskans to vote on whether they wish to secede from the United States. She’s been registered as a Republican since May 1982.

* Palin never endorsed or supported Pat Buchanan for president. She once wore a Buchanan button as a "courtesy" when he visited Wasilla, but shortly afterward she was appointed to co-chair of the campaign of Steve Forbes in the state.

* Palin has not pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska's schools. She has said that students should be allowed to "debate both sides" of the evolution question, but she also said creationism "doesn't have to be part of the curriculum

clambake
09-13-2008, 02:42 PM
Integrity = making ads mocking the injuries an American solider suffered while being tortured

of course it does. republicans made torture cool. did you forget that?

mogrovejo
09-13-2008, 02:44 PM
of course it does. republicans made torture cool. did you forget that?

I remember McCain being outspoken against torture, going against the leadership of his own party.

Now I see that Obama thinks it's cool to laugh at torture. New politics, hein? Classy guy, indeed.

Mr. Peabody
09-13-2008, 02:45 PM
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html

Which one of these was in an Obama/Biden speech or in an Obama/Biden ad? You can look, but the answer is NONE.

:nope

Mr. Peabody
09-13-2008, 02:48 PM
I remember McCain being outspoken against torture, going against the leadership of his own party.



I remember that too. What happened?

http://www.newsweek.com/id/158767
McCain served four years in the House and has been in the Senate almost 22 so far. But he, too, has authored fewer than a half-dozen major laws. Trying to fix immigration counts for something, but nothing passed. So while McCain deserves credit for the landmark 2002 McCain-Feingold campaign-finance reform bill, the only other major law on which his office says his "name appears" (Palin's standard) is the "McCain Amendment" prohibiting torture in the armed forces. But that has little meaning because of a bill this year, supported by McCain, that allows torture by the CIA. Under longstanding government practice, military intelligence officers can be temporarily designated as CIA officers ("sheep-dipped" is the bureaucratic lingo) when they want to go off the Army field manual. In other words, the government can still torture anyone, any time. McCain caved on an issue he insists is a matter of principle.

mogrovejo
09-13-2008, 02:55 PM
I remember that too. What happened?

Are you using a Jonathan Adler article to make an argument? Really? :lol:lol:lol:lol

Do you think the others are stupid? Adler? What's next? DailyKos? Andrew Sullivan? Axelrod? Geezz...

Explain us this: why should the CIA use the same rules of the Army when it comes to question prisoners? Do you know those rules? Not even the police has so strict rules. They wouldn't be able to make someone the same promises every public attorney makes daily to get information. It'd be utterly insane.

TheMadHatter
09-13-2008, 02:55 PM
McCain admitted in an interview that he doesn't use computers, know how, or care to learn.

Obama criticizing him for this is not criticizing him for his war injuries. He's criticizing him because he doesn't know how to fucking use a computer. And yes, last I checked McCain still has hands and a voice......he can operate a computer.

mogrovejo
09-13-2008, 02:59 PM
McCain admitted in an interview that he doesn't use computers, know how, or care to learn.

Obama criticizing him for this is not criticizing him for his war injuries. He's criticizing him because he doesn't know how to fucking use a computer. And yes, last I checked McCain still has hands and a voice......he can operate a computer.



In certain ways, McCain was a natural Web candidate. Chairman of the Senate Telecommunications Subcommittee and regarded as the U.S. Senate’s savviest technologist, McCain is an inveterate devotee of email. His nightly ritual is to read his email together with his wife, Cindy. The injuries he incurred as a Vietnam POW make it painful for McCain to type. Instead, he dictates responses that his wife types on a laptop.

FORBES MAGAZINE, (http://www.forbes.com/asap/2000/0529/053_print.html)



McCain gets emotional at the mention of military families needing food stamps or veterans lacking health care. The outrage comes from inside: McCain’s severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes

http://graphics.boston.com/news/politics/campaign2000/news/McCain_character_loyal_to_a_fault+.shtml


IMO; this is not even political. It's a matter of respect for a fellow human being.

Mr. Peabody
09-13-2008, 03:16 PM
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Nbadan
09-14-2008, 12:24 PM
How far is too far? When even Rove says your a lier

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MannyIsGod
09-14-2008, 01:00 PM
The McCain campaign is lying so much right now. The last couple of weeks of ads and statements have been incredibly over the top. I don't expect the American people to notice though.

boutons_
09-14-2008, 01:13 PM
When she could pull herself away from keeping an eye on the big, bad Russian bear from backyard, her single globe-trotting tour (she didn't want to be seen as too "cosmopolitain" by by transvestite Julie -Annie), the pitbull bitch lied about visiting Ireland and Iraq:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/13/report_palin_did_not_visit_ira.html

Nbadan
09-14-2008, 01:20 PM
Mitt Romney on McSame


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It's the same old campaign tricks that propelled a damaged administration to victory in 04 and some people are falling for it again - lock, stock and barrel.....it's really a sad situation our country is in and I lay much of the blame on our worthless corporate media - clearly they have a agenda to keep the American people dumb with worthless news like Obama calling Palin a lipstick pig to try and wear people's political patience...

Nbadan
09-14-2008, 04:16 PM
A liar looks ’em in the eye
And lies to a woman,
Lies to a man, a pal, a child, a fool.
And he is an old liar; we know him many years back.

A liar lies to nations.
A liar lies to the people.
A liar takes the blood of the people
And drinks this blood with a laugh and a lie,
A laugh in his neck,
A lie in his mouth.
And this liar is an old one; we know him many years….

- Carl Sandburg

Sarah Palin’s foreign policy credentials may be pretty thin, but at least they’re bolstered by the fact that as governor, she spent some time in Iraq visiting members of the Alaska National Guard.

What’s that?

Oh. Well, the Boston Globe now reports that Palin never visited Iraq, that the closest she got was the Iraq-Kuwait border, and from there she could see INTO Iraq. Kind of like being a Russia expert because you can see it from a couple of Alaskan islands.

But at least Palin “knows more about energy than probably anyone else in the United States of America,” according to John McCain. As Palin herself says, and as McCain repeats, she comes from Alaska, which provides 20 percent of the nation’s domestic energy.

What’s that?

Oh. Factcheck.org says “Alaska’s share of domestic energy production was 3.5 percent, according to the official figures kept by the U.S. Energy Information Administration.” But hey, what does the Energy Information Administration know co mpared to the person who “knows more about energy than probably anyone else in the United States of America.”

Well, at least the McCain/Palin ticket is drawing a lot of folks to rallies. According to Bloomberg news, “McCain aide Kimmie Lipscomb told reporters on Sept. 10 that an outdoor rally in Fairfax City, Virginia, drew 23,000 people, attributing the crowd estimate to a fire marshal.”

What’s that?

Oh. Fairfax City Fire Marshal Andrew Wilson now says his office did not supply that number to the campaign and could not confirm it. Independent estimates had put the number at 8,000.

Oh, well, at least they did draw 10,000 people to the Consol Energy Arena in Washington, Pennsylvania. That must be a solid number, because the McCain camp says it came from the Secret Service, based on the number of people who passed through magnetometers.

What’s that?

Oh. “We didn’t provide any numbers to the campaign,” Malcolm Wiley, a spokesman for the Secret Service, told Bloomberg, saying he could neither confirm nor deny the crowd estimate.

Well, who cares about that stuff. The Obama campaign shouldn’t be picking on Palin anyway. In fact, the McCain-Palin campaign has released a new TV ad that pointing out that Obama is being “disrespectful” toward Palin.

What’s that?

Oh. According to Factcheck, the ad “distorts quotes from the Obama campaign. It takes words out of context to make it sound as though the Democratic ticket is belittling Palin.” For example:

“The ad says ‘they said she was doing ‘what she was told’.’ But the Obama adviser who’s being quoted didn’t accuse Palin of meekly following orders. What he actually said is that she made a false claim about Obama’s legislative record and added, “maybe that’s what she was told.”

Oh, and Palin is back to lying again about the Bridge to Nowhere, falsely claiming against overwhelming documentary evidence that “I told Congress thanks but no thanks to that Bridge to Nowhere,” as she said in a speech in Nevada this weekend.

lurker
09-14-2008, 04:49 PM
They know that the majority of voters don't read sites like factcheck.org, so they're not going to stop. Barack needs to to take it up a few notches and start fighting back. He's made a few comments about their lies, but it's not enough.