What the ....? Cali is the world's 3rd largest consumer of Oil?

[whottt]

I just saw that the state of California by itself is the world's 3rd largest consumer of Oil, behind China and the rest of the United States.

Not only that, but 60% of their Oil comes from Saudi Arabia.

Not only that but they have 18 billion barrels of oil off their coast?



What in the fuck? These are the assholes that fly around in private jets lecturing on global warming and the evils of nuclear energy.


What a bunch of fucking hypocrites!


STFU California.

[PixelPusher]

California, by itself, is the 10th largest economy in the world. Lots of people, lots of cars, and lot of agriculture (Ag is a huge consumer of petroleum), so I wouldn't be too surprised if what you say is true.

fyi, 99.9% of Californians do not own private jets.

[whottt]

California, by itself, is the 10th largest economy in the world. Lots of people, lots of cars, and lot of agriculture (Ag is a huge consumer of petroleum), so I wouldn't be too surprised if what you say is true.

Then they need to STFU.





fyi, 99.9% of Californians do not own private jets.

True...just the ones that bitch the most about Global Warming.

[PixelPusher]

True...just the ones that bitch the most about Global Warming.

Al Gore and T. Boone Pickens aren't from California.

[baseline bum]

California can be pretty hypocritical sometimes; especially Los Angeles. There's way too many cars and the public transportation is a joke, although a lot of that has to do with cities like Santa Monica not wanting minorities able to just hop on a train from the city and be there in 30 minutes.

[whottt]

Al Gore and T. Boone Pickens aren't from California.



Leonardo?

[PixelPusher]

...Michelangelo is a paaarrrty dude!

[PixelPusher]

Leonardo?

DiCaprio?

Congratualtions on finding the 0.01% of Californians the rest of Californians aren't like. Indeed, Leonardo DiCaprio was commissioned by Gov. Arnold Schwarzennager with the duty and responsiblilty of being our great state's cartoonishly absurd characterization for all the whottts of the world to judge us by.

[Spurminator]

fyi, 99.9% of Californians do not own private jets.

So one out of every thousand Californians owns a private jet?? Holy WTF! That's an insane ratio... I hope they jetpool.

:lol

[PixelPusher]

So one out of every thousand Californians owns a private jet?? Holy WTF! That's an insane ratio... I hope they jetpool.

:lol

I just pulled that 99.9% out of my ass, whottt style.

[whottt]

DiCaprio?

Congratualtions on finding the 0.01% of Californians the rest of Californians aren't like.
You all suck gas like it's going to out of style and whine and bitch about global warming and dependence on foreign oil.




Indeed, Leonardo DiCaprio was commissioned by Gov. Arnold Schwarzennager with the duty and responsiblilty of being our great state's cartoonishly absurd characterization for all the whottts of the world to judge us by.



Oh bullshit there are dozens of Hollywood celebrities that own private jets and whine about Global Warming...John Travola owns a 737 as his personal Jet. Tom Cruise has personal jets...


And these guys share you politica views to a T.


So shut the fuck up...stop using so much fuckin gas, stop imorting so much Saudi Arabian Oil, use some of the 18 billion off your fucking coast...and stop blaming the Republicans because you guys in California use more gas than 99. 8 PCT of the rest of the countries in the world.


You guys are the reason gas prices are so high...


God damn you guys are full of shit.



And I love how you all excuse it...uh uh you aint excusing shit when you guys are the ones that do most of the complaining about global warming.

[shelshor]

Must be all the water bottles


California, by itself, is the 10th largest economy in the world. Lots of people, lots of cars, and lot of agriculture (Ag is a huge consumer of petroleum), so I wouldn't be too surprised if what you say is true.

fyi, 99.9% of Californians do not own private jets.

But doesn't being the 10th largest economy in the world only entitle them to be the 10th biggest petroleum user?
Or is that determined by population? In which case they really need to cut back

[George Gervin's Afro]

You all suck gas like it's going to out of style and whine and bitch about global warming and dependence on foreign oil.





Oh bullshit there are dozens of Hollywood celebrities that own private jets and whine about Global Warming...John Travola owns a 737 as his personal Jet. Tom Cruise has personal jets...


And these guys share you politica views to a T.


So shut the fuck up...stop using so much fuckin gas, stop imorting so much Saudi Arabian Oil, use some of the 18 billion off your fucking coast...and stop blaming the Republicans because you guys in California use more gas than 99. 8 PCT of the rest of the countries in the world.


You guys are the reason gas prices are so high...


God damn you guys are full of shit.



And I love how you all excuse it...uh uh you aint excusing shit when you guys are the ones that do most of the complaining about global warming.

I thought demand is the primary cause that prices are so high? I am glad to know it's all of the libs fault. By the way how many lib presidents have we had in the past 30yrs?

[baseline bum]

Whottt, post your source.

[whottt]

I thought demand is the primary cause that prices are so high? I am glad to know it's all of the libs fault. By the way how many lib presidents have we had in the past 30yrs?

Gas prices are so high because you fucking douchebags won't let us use nuclear energy, you won't let us drill off coast, you won't let us drill Anwar...


That's also why we are dependent on foreign oil.


Where in the fuck are we supposed to get self reliant energy from when you asshats won't let us utlilize 90% of our self reliant sources.

[21_Blessings]

Like 60% of Southern California drives a SUV or a really big fucking truck. Not surprising.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Like 60% of Southern California drives a SUV or a really big fucking truck. Not surprising.

You have to understand the conservative mentality. I do find it rather humerous that one one hand, the righties blame the lefties for 'endagering the USA' becuase we do not drill for more oil. All the while they drive the least-oil friendly vehicles. We don't have enough oil but they choose to drive 10 mpg vehicles..:lol

[smeagol]

Weed > cars

[Mr. Peabody]

Here are the top 10 in terms of per capita oil consumption -



Statemaster (http://www.statemaster.com/graph/ene_pet_con_percap-energy-oil-consumption-per-capita)

Oil Consumption (per capita) (most recent) by state
Showing latest available data.

Rank States Amount (top to bottom)

#1 Alaska: 76.994 per capita
#2 Louisiana: 63.837 per capita
#3 Wyoming: 55.102 per capita
#4 Texas: 49.395 per capita
#5 NDakota: 41.534 per capita
#6 Montana: 32.358 per capita
#7 Kentucky: 31.362 per capita
#8 Delaware: 31.007 per capita
#9 Mississippi: 30.518 per capita
#10 Oklahoma: 30.128 per capita

#41 California: 18.179 per capita

[Mr. Peabody]

Total oil use by state



Statemaster (http://www.statemaster.com/graph/ene_pet_con-energy-oil-consumption)

Showing latest available data.
Rank States Amount (top to bottom)
#1 Texas: 1,129,174,000
#2 California: 656,863,000
#3 Florida: 358,559,000
#4 New York: 308,658,000
#5 Louisiana: 288,775,000
#6 Penn: 263,233,000
#7 Illi: 242,768,000
#8 Ohio: 239,603,000
#9 New Jersey: 225,683,000
#10 Michigan: 198,641,000

[whottt]

SOURCE: National Priorities Project Database, 2001

[whottt]

By the way...my link was CNN. It was on the news last night...they weren't making a big deal about it, they mentioned it in passing when talking about California re-considering offshore drilling for the first time since 1968 and the 18 billion barrels of oil off their coastline.

They didn't think it was a big deal..but I shit.

[jack sommerset]

I hate California.

[PixelPusher]

per capita oil consumption -

There you go, ruining a perfectly good ad whotttium caricature with your facts and context and what not.

[whottt]

There you go, ruining a perfectly good ad whotttium caricature with your facts and context and what not.

Not a caricature. 100% accurate quote.

His source is from 2001.

[whottt]

Suck it Pix:


http://news.cnet.com/8301-13511_3-9896808-22.html


March 18, 2008 9:46 AM PDT
Oil consumption peaks for world's No. 3 consumer
Posted by John Addison 5 commentsShare
Digg Del.icio.us Reddit Facebook Email Print "Only the USA and China consume more oil than California," observes Jim Boyd, vice chairman of the California Energy Commission. With oil prices soaring, California must reduce its dependency on oil to sustain prosperity and achieve energy security.

As 38 million Californians deploy a range of solutions to reducing oil usage, the world will learn valuable lessons. In 2006, California consumption of gasoline peaked, even though population continues on the path of doubling over a 30 year period.

In California, more people are driving fewer miles; importantly, fewer solo miles. More efficient vehicles are being used, often benefiting from hybrid-electric drive systems. As an alternative to oil, there is a growing use of biofuel, natural gas, hydrogen, and renewable electricity.

Solutions to the state's, the nation's, and world's transportation needs were presented at the WestStart-CALSTART Clean Heavy Vehicle Conference 2008.

Many of the solutions were discussed by managers of large fleets. These people can save millions with improvements that passenger vehicle drivers often ignore, such as low-rolling resistance tires. Fleet managers can also install the infrastructure for their fleets; such as fast-charge stations, hydrogen fueling, and specific biofuel blends.

Fleets often pilot new technology years prior to commercialization. Large prototypes are later miniaturized for passenger vehicles. All successful fleets continually improve efficiency. In the transportation lifecycle, 80 percent of all energy is lost, estimates Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories.

John Boesel, President of WestStart-CALSTART, observed that linked trips, public transit, hybrids, and improved mileage vehicles are all factors in peak oil demand in California. Boesel is in a good position to observe future transportation trends. His organization facilitates bringing together fleet managers, vehicle and fuel producers, researchers, and top government officials.

Boesel discussed a number of reasons to be optimistic when we talked over lunch. Investment in clean tech and clean transportation is exploding. New lightweight materials are allowing vehicles to travel further with less fuel. There is ongoing innovation in materials. Hybrid-electric drive systems allow heavy mechanical components to be replaced with lighter ones. Engines are being made more efficient. Heavy vehicles that formerly burned fuel during the 40 percent of the time that they idle, now idle off. Major corporations and venture capital backed start-ups are creating next-generation biofuels and synthetic fuels.

WestStart-CALSTART encourages public policy makers to set performance standards and not attempt to pick technology winners. Government is also critical in early funding of new fuels and efficient vehicles. "There are many paths to the future," noted Boesel.

Biofuels will play a major role in reducing California's oil dependency. By law, California AB 2076 requires 20 percent alternative fuels use in 2020 and 30 percent alternative fuels use in 2030. The bulk of alt fuels are likely to be biofuel. By law, 40 percent of that biofuel must be produced in California by 2020 and 75 percent by 2050. This creates a challenge and an opportunity. California is the nation's leading agricultural state. Droughts and reduced snow accumulation are creating water scarcity for farmers. Corn ethanol and soy biodiesel generate tremendous greenhouse gases in their lifecycle of production and consumption.

New low-carbon fuels are being developed including next-generation biofuels. In pilot production, gasoline and diesel are being made from synthetic fuels.

To keep California's $1.5 trillion annual economy from running out of gas, the state is investing $200 million per year in clean transportation for the next 7.5 years. AB118 is the law that makes this possible. It was sponsored by Assembly Speaker Fabian Núñez and signed into law by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. The money is funded with vehicle fees.

CEC will fund $120 million per year for the commercialization of alternative fuels and efficient vehicle technologies. The California Air Resources Board will fund $80 million per year for enhanced fleet modernization and an air quality improvement program.

All these initiatives promise to create millions of jobs for a state that continues to grow. Despite a state budget crisis, no one is trying to remove AB118's $200 million annual investment in the future.

With intermodal transportation solutions, integrated freight movement, light materials, hybrid-electric drive systems, efficient vehicles, and new fuels, California is leading the way to control its own destiny without being dependent on foreign oil.

John Addison publishes the Clean Fleet Report.

[whottt]

*waits for apology*

[PixelPusher]

apologize for what? I never challenged your claim that we consume a lot of oil, just your retarded assumption that we all fly around in private jets and bitch about global warming. We have all types here - rich, poor, smart, dumb, hippies, rednecks, Democrats, Republicans...you name it, some part of California has it. The part of California I live is so rural and Republican, it might as well be Kansas with nicer weather.

[PixelPusher]

I hate California.
I love it when people hate on California. It serves to remind me why I don't miss living in Texas, New Mexico or Florida.

[Anti.Hero]

I'd move to cali if it weren't so expensive and full of the ultra libs.


If I could hack it over there for 20 years... I could go from a 500k cali shack to a 500k mansion on the texas bay though :depressed

[CuckingFunt]

I'd move to cali if it weren't so expensive and full of the ultra libs.

Full of ultra-libs? Really? With a recent governing history of Pete Wilson, the recall of Gray Davis, and the Govuhnatuh? Not all of the state is San Francisco.

Sadly.

There are definitely large pockets of hippies, but I've lived all over this state and we've got more than our share of rural redneck extremists. Hell, there's active klan five minutes up the road from me, despite the fact that I live in a city known for its liberal leanings.

[Mr. Peabody]

*waits for apology*

From the US Department of Energy -

U.S. Department of Energy (http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/states/energy_summary.cfm/state=CA)



Alaska
Total energy consumption per capita 1,194
State rank 1
EPAct per capita goal for 2012 796.3
State rank 1
Average annual increase in total energy consumption 1.9% State rank 2

California
Total energy consumption per capita 232
(million Btu) State rank 49
EPAct per capita goal for 2012 190.6
(million Btu) State rank 45
Average annual increase in total energy consumption -0.7% State rank 48

California’s per capita energy consumption is low, in part due to mild weather that reduces energy demand for heating and cooling.

California leads the Nation in electricity generation from non-hydroelectric renewable energy sources, including geothermal power, wind power, fuel wood, landfill gas, and solar power. California is also a leading generator of hydroelectric power.

California is the most populous State in the Nation and its total energy demand is second only to Texas. Although California is a leader in the energy-intensive chemical, forest products, glass, and petroleum industries, the State has one of the lowest per capita energy consumption rates in the country. The California government’s energy-efficiency programs have contributed to low per capita energy consumption. Driven by high demand from California’s many motorists, major airports, and military bases, the transportation sector is the State’s largest energy-consumer. More motor vehicles are registered in California than any other State, and worker commute times are among the longest in the country.

[Mr. Peabody]

Also, isn't that entire article you cite discussing the fact that California is leading the way in reducing our dependence on oil....?

How does that support your assertion that the people of California are hypocrites...?

[PixelPusher]

Also, isn't that entire article you cite discussing the fact that California is leading the way in reducing our dependence on oil....?

How does that support your assertion that the people of California are hypocrites...?

Because Leonardo DiCaprio, that's why!

/Thread

[whottt]

Asshats 1 and 2, what part of:


"Only the USA and China consume more oil than California," observes Jim Boyd, vice chairman of the California Energy Commission.

Don't you get?

[whottt]

apologize for what?

For saying I was making shit up.





I never challenged your claim that we consume a lot of oil, just your retarded assumption that we all fly around in private jets and bitch about global warming.

I never made that claim...you're just an asshat.



We have all types here - rich, poor, smart, dumb, hippies, rednecks, Democrats, Republicans...you name it, some part of California has it. The part of California I live is so rural and Republican, it might as well be Kansas with nicer weather.



I challenge you to find me one Cali Liberal who owns a private jet that doesn't bitch about global warming...

[Nbadan]

In order to make this forum more 'work friendly' please refrain from putting obscenities in your post titles...

[PixelPusher]

For saying I was making shit up.


California, by itself, is the 10th largest economy in the world. Lots of people, lots of cars, and lot of agriculture (Ag is a huge consumer of petroleum), so I wouldn't be too surprised if what you say is true.

fyi, 99.9% of Californians do not own private jets.

I said I wouldn't be suprised what you said is true, that's not the same as saying you made it up, although your cred in this particular area is pretty shitty.




I never made that claim...you're just an asshat.




What in the fuck? These are the assholes that fly around in private jets lecturing on global warming and the evils of nuclear energy.


and as for this...

I challenge you to find me one Cali Liberal who owns a private jet that doesn't bitch about global warming...
...I don't know anyone here who owns a private jet because...well...because most people here in California don't own private jets. I don't know where you get the idea that everyone in California is a liberal elite jetsetter, but take from someone who actually lives here, this isn't the case.

[whottt]

Pixel Pusher...



What in the fuck? These are the assholes that fly around in private jets lecturing on global warming and the evils of nuclear energy.



IF you got that I was saying everyone in California owned a private jet from that statement...it's because you're an idiot with no common sense.

[Tully365]

California has 36+ million people, which is by far the largest population of any state in the USA. Any statement that starts with something like "the typical Californian..." or "People in California always...." is simply ridiculous. Their population runs a much wider than average spectrum, from millionaires in Hollywood with private jets to hippies in S.F. who use vegetable oil in old diesel cars to engineers who are working on viable alternative energy sources to athletes who drive 8 mpg Hummers... I would say there are more people there wasting oil than in most states and more people obsessed with conservation than in most states. There's more of everything there than in most states. The argument being used in this anti-California thread is exactly the same argument that most Europeans, Asians, South Americans, Russians, Africans, and Middle Easterners use when pointing out that the US uses far more oil than any other country on the planet. Do you think that any of them also have a good point?

[whottt]

California has 36+ million people, which is by far the largest population of any state in the USA. Any statement that starts with something like "the typical Californian..." or "People in California always...." is simply ridiculous. Their population runs a much wider than average spectrum, from millionaires in Hollywood with private jets to hippies in S.F. who use vegetable oil in old diesel cars to engineers who are working on viable alternative energy sources to athletes who drive 8 mpg Hummers

BFD..I am talking about the loudmouthed motherfucking Hollywood alarmists that are the face of your state. How hard is this shit to figure out?





... I would say there are more people there wasting oil than in most states and more people obsessed with conservation than in most states. There's more of everything there than in most states.

No...obviously, the only things there's more of in California is shittalking.



The argument being used in this anti-California

:lmao @ you acting like it happens enough to deserve a label.




thread is exactly the same argument that most Europeans, Asians, South Americans, Russians, Africans, and Middle Easterners use when pointing out that the US uses far more oil than any other country on the planet. Do you think that any of them also have a good point?


Yeah...they do have a point and I've never said they didn't...difference is, the rest of American isn't whining and bitching about it while simultaneously being the biggest part of the problem.

[Tully365]

BFD..I am talking about the loudmouthed motherfucking Hollywood alarmists that are the face of your state. How hard is this shit to figure out?


I don't live in California, and never have. I don't know why you would assume that. I wasn't defending my home state, I was pointing out problems with your argument.

I still don't see why you find it newsworthy that the state with the most people also uses the most oil, even though per capita, states like Texas use much more.

[scott]

Perhaps whottt's dumbest thread to date. Maybe it is his casually ignoring the fact that California is the most populated state in the country. Maybe it is his casually ignoring the fact that California is our leading contributor to GDP. Maybe it is his casually ignoring that citizens of California don't personally chose where their oil is imported from (might it be the oil companies located there? I wonder...). Maybe it is just that whottt is an asshat who knows how to get people riled up.

[whottt]

Perhaps whottt's dumbest thread to date. Maybe it is his casually ignoring the fact that California is the most populated state in the country. Maybe it is his casually ignoring the fact that California is our leading contributor to GDP. Maybe it is his casually ignoring that citizens of California don't personally chose where their oil is imported from (might it be the oil companies located there? I wonder...). Maybe it is just that whottt is an asshat who knows how to get people riled up.


Or maybe it's just whottt heard something on CNN...


You don't fucking get it...Scott. It's not that about the size of their population, it's not about their GDP...it's about the amount of hysterical bitching and fingerpointing they do about the envionment. It's really not that hard to understand.

[scott]

Or maybe it's just whottt heard something on CNN...


You don't fucking get it...Scott. It's not that about the size of their population, it's not about their GDP...it's about the amount of hysterical bitching and fingerpointing they do about the envionment. It's really not that hard to understand.

The people in the most populated state in the country use oil? You don't say! They complain about oil usage? Interesting, what a bunch of hypocrites! They use less per person than almost every other state in the country? Hmmmm... errrr... HYPOCRITES, YEAH!

There, do I get it now?

[whottt]

The people in the most populated state in the country use oil? You don't say! They complain about oil usage? Interesting, what a bunch of hypocrites! They use less per person than almost every other state in the country? Hmmmm... errrr... HYPOCRITES, YEAH!

There, do I get it now?


No...you aren't even close. I suggest pulling your head out and re-reading the thread. Start with the first post.

[scott]

No...you aren't even close. I suggest pulling your head out and re-reading the thread. Start with the first post.


I don't speak, read or write in moron which fortunately prevents me from reading 90% of your posts. I guess I'll just have to never "get" whatever stupid point you are trying to make. I'm sure it will make fantastic blog fodder for someone though.

[whottt]

I don't speak, read or write in moron which fortunately prevents me from reading 90% of your posts.

And you think that's a sign of intelligence? :lmao



I guess I'll just have to never "get" whatever stupid point you are trying to make.

Sucks to be you.




I'm sure it will make fantastic blog fodder for someone though.

I give a shit :toast

[Tully365]

Will you at least admit it was wrong of you to assume I lived in Cali just because I didn't agree with your opinion? That's the problem with having an ax to grind as opposed to actually being interested in dialogue-- it makes people ignore anything to win the fight, rather than simply admitting they'd jumped to an incorrect conclusion.

[PixelPusher]

Will you at least admit it was wrong of you to assume I lived in Cali just because I didn't agree with your opinion? That's the problem with having an ax to grind as opposed to actually being interested in dialogue-- it makes people ignore anything to win the fight, rather than simply admitting they'd jumped to an incorrect conclusion.

To ask whottt to do that, is to ask whottt to renounce the very core of his SpursTalk message board identity.

[Kori Ellis]

In order to make this forum more 'work friendly' please refrain from putting obscenities in your post titles...

What he said.

It's about the only rule I have on the whole forum, so please refrain.

Thanks.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

What a surprise... whottt getting his ass handed to him in a discussion and trying to insult his way out of it. This forum keeps getting more and more predictable.

*waits for the inevitable whottt insult ridden tirade*

[Tully365]

To ask whottt to do that, is to ask whottt to renounce the very core of his SpursTalk message board identity.

I've noticed that there are very few posters in the political forum interested in anything other than hurling insults.

[whottt]

What a surprise... whottt getting his ass handed to him in a discussion and trying to insult his way out of it. This forum keeps getting more and more predictable.

*waits for the inevitable whottt insult ridden tirade*\


What a surprise...manumaniac remains an idiot with an inferioririty complex.

[whottt]

Will you at least admit it was wrong of you to assume I lived in Cali just because I didn't agree with your opinion?

True...you acted defensive which I took to mean you must be from Cali.

Happy now?




That's the problem with having an ax to grind as opposed to actually being interested in dialogue-- it makes people ignore anything to win the fight, rather than simply admitting they'd jumped to an incorrect conclusion.

Um...I made some very clear statements in the first post of this thread that are neither hard to understand nor misleading.


The fact that so many of you don't get the obvious point I was making is not my fault...

[MaNuMaNiAc]

What a surprise...manumaniac remains an idiot with an inferioririty complex.

yeah, I'm the one with the inferiority complex :lol



The fact that so many of you don't get the obvious point I was making is not my fault...

:lmao

Of course not, nothing is ever YOUR fault whottt. You're just always so misunderstood...

[Tully365]

True...you acted defensive which I took to mean you must be from Cali.

Happy now?




Um...I made some very clear statements in the first post of this thread that are neither hard to understand nor misleading.


The fact that so many of you don't get the obvious point I was making is not my fault...

Awright, so you're saying that within the USA, which is the largest consumer of oil of any country on the planet, the one state with by far the largest population is also the largest consumer of oil in terms of # of gallons, though many other states use much more oil per capita?

I agree.

[boo_radley]

I just saw that the state of California by itself is the world's 3rd largest consumer of Oil, behind China and the rest of the United States.

Not only that, but 60% of their Oil comes from Saudi Arabia.

Not only that but they have 18 billion barrels of oil off their coast?

What in the fuck? These are the assholes that fly around in private jets lecturing on global warming and the evils of nuclear energy.

What a bunch of fucking hypocrites!

STFU California.I came in here to apologize for my state, now I feel the need to defend it.

First, there is absolutely no way of knowing how much oil there is below the surface of the earth anywhere. Most estimates were put together by the Department of the Interior that was recently busted for having sex and using drugs with the very oil company employees they were supposed to regulate. Second, the environmental toll of getting to that oil is going to be very, very high. Finally, that oil would only provide enough oil to support the US for about 3 years.

About the Hypocrites, I think you are referencing Al Gore and he lives in Tennessee. Certainly there are a lot of rich people here that use private planes, but most of them don't "lectur(e) on global warming and the evils of nuclear energy"

California uses less energy per capitia that any other state in the nation and has built more square feet of "green" buildings than any other state, so perhaps it is you that needs to STFU!

[boo_radley]

California, by itself, is the 10th largest economy in the world. Lots of people, lots of cars, and lot of agriculture (Ag is a huge consumer of petroleum), so I wouldn't be too surprised if what you say is true.

fyi, 99.9% of Californians do not own private jets.I've heard that it's anywhere between the 5th and 6th largest economy

[boo_radley]

You guys are the reason gas prices are so high...


God damn you guys are full of shit..I realize that in the rest of the country, Texas in particular it's fun to blame everything on California, but you don't know high gas prices 'till you've driven a mile in my tires

Also, have you ever wondered why cars are all advertized as having met California's emission standards? Because they are the most stringent in the nation!

[boo_radley]

I love it when people hate on California. It serves to remind me why I don't miss living in Texas, New Mexico or Florida.I'm with you on that one