Post one major issue you don't agree with your candidate on

[baseline bum]

I disagree with Obama on letting individual cities determine their own local gun control laws. The right to own a firearm is protected by the second amendment, and that should end all discussion right there. Having a gun drastically changes the balance of power when a criminal comes into your home or business, and he's dead wrong on this issue.

[2centsworth]

global warming, but I'm willing to compromise

[101A]

The Death Penalty

[whottt]

I don't agree with McCain's stance on minimum wages.

[Supergirl]

I don't agree with Obama on his position re: marriage equality. Civil unions are "separate but equal" all over again, and that didn't work so well the first time. Unless, of course, we abolish all civil "marriages" and call any government-recognized union (hetero or homo) a "civil union" - then I'd be OK with civil unions.

[MannyIsGod]

Barak's economic plan in general is shit.

[DarkReign]

I wish I could say I have a candidate. I despise both of them equally. No bullshit.

I think both of their economic "plans" are as far away from plan as I would ever want to be involved in.

Worst part of this problem is this is the only issue that matter to me.

Iraq, gay marriage (thats an issue? wtf?), immigration, Al Queda, Afghhanistan, Iran, Israel....all bullshit to me.

I have a problem with being told what the issues are, what the major talking points are going to be in an election. Here I thought that was for me to choose.

1. Economy - Im no economist, but when I can discern your bullshit, youre not doing well.

2. Government Transparency, Reduction and Relinquishing of Role in Public Life - taxes, regulations, permits, rules, moral laws....etc.

Im wasting my breath, I know that. But if #2 would actually ever become one of the "issues" we're spoon-fed, it would skyrocket to #1.

[101A]

I wish I could say I have a candidate. I despise both of them equally. No bullshit.

I think both of their economic "plans" are as far away from plan as I would ever want to be involved in.

Worst part of this problem is this is the only issue that matter to me.

Iraq, gay marriage (thats an issue? wtf?), immigration, Al Queda, Afghhanistan, Iran, Israel....all bullshit to me.

I have a problem with being told what the issues are, what the major talking points are going to be in an election. Here I thought that was for me to choose.

1. Economy - Im no economist, but when I can discern your bullshit, youre not doing well.

2. Government Transparency, Reduction and Relinquishing of Role in Public Life - taxes, regulations, permits, rules, moral laws....etc.

Im wasting my breath, I know that. But if #2 would actually ever become one of the "issues" we're spoon-fed, it would skyrocket to #1.

Yeah, you pretty much need to lead the revolution.

I guess I resigned myself to believing that we're simply never going to see a politician who is truly going to attempt to tackle that - hell, they'll never make it far enough.

[DarrinS]

Both candidates are on the "Global Warming is going to kill us" ship that appears to have already left the dock (SS Greentanic).

Both candidates are against drilling in Anwar.

[Mr. Peabody]

I disagree with Obama's tax plan. He conceded on This Week that he might hold off on raising taxes on the wealthy because the economy is weak. Wouldn't that imply that such a tax increase is actually bad for the economy?


‘‘Even if we’re still in a recession, I’m going to go through with my tax cuts,’’ Obama said. ‘‘That’s my priority.’’

What about increasing taxes on the wealthy?

‘‘I think we’ve got to take a look and see where the economy is. I mean, the economy is weak right now,’’ Obama said on ‘‘This Week’’ on ABC. ‘‘The news with Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, I think, along with the unemployment numbers, indicates that we’re fragile.’’

[DarkReign]

Yeah, you pretty much need to lead the revolution.

I guess I resigned myself to believing that we're simply never going to see a politician who is truly going to attempt to tackle that - hell, they'll never make it far enough.


I have always hoped one of these politicians is a career liar who somehow circumvented the system and duped his party into thinking he is actually like them all the way to the Whitehouse.

Only upon his first appearance before the House of Representatives when they do the big "Welcome, Mr President!" gig, he would go into some mild, very frank speech about how things are going to be different.

Startiiiiiiing now...

...and the entire Congress is sequestered by the military and certain, far-reaching legislation is passed without break or vacation.

Nothing partisan. Just the basics.


Re-write the the Bill of Rights to be more clear and up to date in interpretation.


For example, instead of
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Make it say, with better eloquence of course.

American Citizens shall have the right to bear arms. These firearms include handguns, shotguns and semi-automatic rifles. Handguns in no larger caliber than X, shotguns in no larger load than Y and rifles in no larger caliber than Z.


Use that interpretation across the board to include the explicit, stated position of the seperation of church and state.



Throw out the Electoral College in its entirety. Start over. Use the popular vote, a weighted popular vote, or some other system. But one that is clear, concise and less inclined to fear the....

Abolishment of a Two Party Sytem.

bla bla bla

I could go on. No income taxes anywhere...ever, One fund for the care and comfort for the disabled and elderly paid for by other means then more taxation, the size of government being a regulated figure which cannot exceed certain thresholds, whether based on personel or budget or both, the absolute priority of better education and the guarantee of higher learning, whether etc, etc.

There would be caveats. Citizens will be required to vote. No discussion (unless a felon, mentally disabled or other situation that prevents cognition). The country will become more self-reliant in all facets...consumerism, manufacturing, agriculture, etc, etc.

I could literally ramble off thousands of different aspects of government that need to be completely abolished, controlled or otherwise watched.

Jesus, I just ruin threads lately...Ill stop now.

[Findog]

I support the decriminalization of all drugs on libertarian grounds. Obama is not running on a platform to reform our nation's drug laws.

[KenMcCoy]

I disagree with Obama's tax plan. He conceded on This Week that he might hold off on raising taxes on the wealthy because the economy is weak. Wouldn't that imply that such a tax increase is actually bad for the economy?

Exactly...The problem with taxing the rich/corporations/capital gains is that it stifles the economy. I have looked but can't find any decent economic studies stating otherwise. The fact is that in today's economy cities/states/countries that compete for businesses by lowering tax rates generally do better. You can see this with Texas and Michigan. Michigan is one the harder places to do business in (high tax rates and pro union) so while Texas is one of the easier places. It's obvious to see which state has the better economy.


Oh, and I don't agree with McCain on immigration.

[The Reckoning]

McCain on his VP pick

[spurster]

While I would like to have universal health care as Obama wants to do, I fear it would become another boondoggle to transfer money to insurance companies and pharmas in the style of our new prescription Medicare. I wish we could pick the best parts of other countries' universal health care, but we will likely end up with own f----d-up plan providing more money to the corporations already fattening themselves on medical costs.

[Crookshanks]

I don't agree with McCain on global warming and his resistence to drilling in ANWAR.

[PixelPusher]

I disagree with Obama's caving in on the FISA bill. It's bad enough that the definitions of "national security concerns" and "executive privilege" have been stretched so broadly as to make any sitting President effectively immune from any accountability, but to extend that cloak over select, participating corporations is even worse.

[Nbadan]

Yep, the FISA bill, the U.S.-Mexico wall of shame that separates families and the war In iraq has had success are major Obama blunders...

[xrayzebra]

Damn, it is hard to fault perfection. But I will think about Obama and Biden tonight and get back to you, okay?

[baseline bum]

Typical response I expected from a sheep like xray

[Mr. Peabody]

Damn, it is hard to fault perfection. But I will think about Obama and Biden tonight and get back to you, okay?

Ummm....do you usually think about Obama at night?

[Wild Cobra]

Well, the one I'm supporting is Sarah Palin. I don't like McCain too much. The thing I don't like about her is she is being too nice to the competition. That the worse thing I can think of at the moment.

[cool hand]

the two-party monarchy sucks.

[cool hand]

Well, the one I'm supporting is Sarah Palin. I don't like McCain too much. The thing I don't like about her is she is being too nice to the competition. That the worse thing I can think of at the moment.

How can you support someone you didn't know 3 weeks ago???? did you somehow vote for her????

[baseline bum]

Wow, Wild Cobra props his candidate up as an infallible messiah too. Who would have ever guessed?

[Wild Cobra]

Wow, Wild Cobra props his candidate up as an infallible messiah too. Who would have ever guessed?

What a stupid conclusion. I said I couldn't thnk of anthing "at the moment."

She's far from perfect. That's one reason why I like her.

[baseline bum]

If you can't find anything to be critical of your own top candidate for, then you're a sheep. If you have to look far then you either don't have a decent head on your shoulders or are lying like hell.

[cool hand]

Obama wants to increase the tax bracket %'s and Mcain doesn't mind spending $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to pretend America is stronger than it is.

[whottt]

the two-party monarchy sucks.


3 party system is worse...you get 3 parties then when the non-middle party is ruling the opposite party is getting ass fucked. Adds civil unrest...and anyone that thinks they want that is stupid.

[whottt]

3 party system is worse...you get 3 parties then when the non-middle party is ruling the opposite party is getting ass fucked. Adds civil unrest...and anyone that thinks they want that is stupid.


It gets worse the more parties you add...once you start adding more, shit like the Neo Nazi Party or the American Communist Party start becoming competitive in elections.


2 party system is the best.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

McCain, for agreeing to go along with the economic bailout for the auto companies in Michigan (yes, I know that both he and Obama are pandering to the vote there, but fuck Michigan - build a better product and get rid of your dipshit unions).

I also think his support for amnesty for illegals is shit.

[whottt]

I also think his support for amnesty for illegals is shit.


He's modified that stance to one I think simply the best solution.


Personally it's not the amnesty that bothers me...it's their voting inclination. No socialists...

[DarrinS]

Yep, the FISA bill, the U.S.-Mexico wall of shame that separates families and the war In iraq has had success are major Obama blunders...


I know this thread had been less than successful (even though it was a good idea), but you have the lamest response, so far.

[ploto]

I never agree completely with any one candidate because I oppose both the death penalty and abortion.

[101A]

I never agree completely with any one candidate because I oppose both the death penalty and abortion.

[Spurminator]

I wish Scooby Doo was a better public speaker, but Scrappy Doo has that covered.

[Thunder Dan]

I'm for higher taxes across the board and lowering reckless government spending- so I'm against both

[1Parker1]

I disagree with Barack on not picking Hillary for VP :)

[Brutalis]

McCain's whole thing about breaks for illegal immigrants pisses me off to no end.

[anakha]

the two-party monarchy sucks.


3 party system is worse...you get 3 parties then when the non-middle party is ruling the opposite party is getting ass fucked. Adds civil unrest...and anyone that thinks they want that is stupid.

Better than having a multi-party system that in reality is based around who's the most electable in the country... :depressed

[101A]

Better than having a multi-party system that in reality is based around who's the most electable in the country... :depressed

Not sure I want "Most Electable".

[anakha]

Not sure I want "Most Electable".

American politicians, at the very least, play lip service to the respective ideologies of their political parties.

Over here? Politicians jump parties at the drop of a hat to join whoever the 'winnable' candidate is.

EDIT: And all of these politicians are salivating over the thought of having Manny Pacquiao run for public office in a couple of years.

[101A]

American politicians, at the very least, play lip service to the respective ideologies of their political parties.

Over here? Politicians jump parties at the drop of a hat to join whoever the 'winnable' candidate is.

Institutionalized band-waggoning.

Nice.
:lol

[SpursFanFirst]

McCain's whole thing about breaks for illegal immigrants pisses me off to no end.

What do you mean?

This is from his site. I think everything he says sounds fair, but maybe you've heard something I haven't.


John McCain on Border Security
and Immigration

"As you know, I and many other colleagues twice attempted to pass comprehensive immigration legislation to fix our broken borders; ensure respect for the laws of this country; recognize the important economic contribution of immigrant laborers; apprehend those who came here illegally to commit crimes; and deal practically and humanely with those who came here, as my distant ancestors did, to build a better, safer life for their families, without excusing the fact they came here illegally or granting them privileges before those who have been waiting their turn outside the country. Many Americans did not believe us when we said we would secure our borders, and so we failed in our efforts. I don't want to fail again to achieve comprehensive immigration reform. We must prove we have the resources to secure our borders and use them, while respecting the dignity and rights of citizens and legal residents of the United States. When we have achieved our border security goal, we must enact and implement the other parts of practical, fair and necessary immigration policy. We have economic and humanitarian responsibilities as well, and they require no less dedication from us in meeting them."

- John McCain

John McCain believes America's immigration system is broken. He is committed to a two-step process to reform.

Securing Our Borders First. John McCain's top immigration priority is to finish securing our borders in an expedited manner. Governors of border states will be required to certify that the border is secure. Steps to border security include:

* Setting clear guidelines and objectives for securing the border through physical and virtual barriers.

* Ensuring that adequate funding is provided for resources on the ground, but also training facilities, support staff and the deployment of technologies.

* Dedicating funding to US Attorney’s offices in border states.

* Implementing sound policies for contracting Department of Homeland Security software and infrastructure.

* Deploy Unmanned Aerial Vehicles and other aircraft where needed and appropriate in the border region.

* Continue implementation of the US-VISIT comprehensive visitor security program.

Comprehensive Immigration Initiatives for a Secure Nation. Once the borders are secure, John McCain will:

Prosecute “Bad-Actor” Employers. John McCain will implement a secure, accurate, and reliable electronic employment verification system to ensure that individuals are screened for work eligibility in a real-time fashion. John McCain will use this new system in conjunction with other Department of Homeland Security resources to identify and aggressively prosecute employers that continue to hire illegal immigrants. The Electronic Employment Verification System will:

* Establish a user-friendly system employing a limited set of secure documents that contain biometric data and are electronically verifiable to check a worker’s identity.

* Provide responses to employer inquiries in a prompt and timely manner to provide both the employer and employee security in their hiring decisions.

* Update and ensure the accuracy of current databases of government agencies that play a role in employment verification.

* Protect the identities of each employee being screened and allow both employer and employee adequate time and opportunity to correct possible errors with any information in the system.

* Institute targeted auditing by Department of Labor in order to weed out employers abusing the system.

Meet America’s Labor Needs. John McCain will implement temporary worker programs that will reflect the labor needs of the United States in both the high-tech and low skilled sectors while protecting the employment opportunities for US workers:

* Highly Skilled workers:

o Ensure high skilled workers trained and educated in the United States have the opportunity to stay and work in the United States upon graduation.

o Reform caps for H-1B visa program to rise and fall in response to market conditions. Reduce bureaucracy and waiting times for workers to arrive in the United States.

o Increase available green card numbers to reflect employer and employee demand.

o Extend the ability for H-1B visa holders to renew their H-1B status while waiting for their green card number to become available.

o Ensure available and qualified American workers are given adequate and fair opportunities to apply for available positions.

* Low-skilled non-agricultural workers:

o Implement a usable, market based system for low-skilled workers to enter the United States in an orderly fashion.

o Ensure that the cap rises and falls with market demand to meet the changing needs of the economy.

o Provide for adequate worker protection to guard against employer abuses of temporary workers.

o Protect American workers by designing a program that allows willing and eligible United States workers adequate opportunity to apply for available positions.

o Ensure that workers return to their home countries after their temporary period in the United States.

o Allow for appropriate visa renewals to assure that both the employer and employee have stability in the workforce.

o Offer a limited number of green cards to reflect the small number of workers that may wish to remain in the United States permanently.

* Low-skilled agricultural workers:

o Reform the H-2A visa program to provide a non-bureaucratic, adaptable, useable program that is reflective of market needs and protects both the immigrant and US workers.

Address the Undocumented. John McCain will address the fact that we have a large number undocumented individuals living in the United States and working in our economy:

* All undocumented individuals will be required to enroll in a program to resolve their status.

* This program will use background checks to identify criminal aliens for prosecution and deportation.

o Assure that the remaining undocumented immigrants learn English, pay back taxes and fines, and pass a citizenship course as part of a path to legal status.

o Guarantee that no person here illegally receives a green card before those that have been legally waiting outside the country.

o Do a proper accounting of all social security numbers used and attained illegally, rectifying the accounts and alerting those whose identity had been compromised.

* The program will also ensure that all undocumented aliens either leave or follow the path to legal residence. America cannot permit a permanent category of individuals that do not have recognized status – a permanent second class.

* In addition, the program will provide a system that is fair, humane, realistic, and ensures the rights of the individual and families will be protected.

o Ensure that families are reunited.

o Address in an expedited manner the status of individuals brought here illegally as minors through no will or intention of their own.

Eliminate the Family Backlog. John McCain will commit to clearing out the backlog of individuals that are waiting legally outside of the country, some for up to 20 years, for their green card number to become available.

[Thunder Dan]

I should reword mine- I'm against both candidates for passing the bill of this travesty of a war onto our children and grandchildren- although I think Obama will try to end it- it still isn't paid for

[xrayzebra]

How can you support someone you didn't know 3 weeks ago???? did you somehow vote for her????

Easier than supporting someone I don't know at all. You know like Obama,
who want tell us anything about himself. Sarah is an open book.

[Shastafarian]

Easier than supporting someone I don't know at all. You know like Obama,
who want tell us anything about himself. Sarah is an open book.

Is that why she, her husband, and all her aides are refusing to testify in the Troopergate hearings? Oh and is that also why she refused to give thousands of state e-mails upon request? She might be a book, but it's got some sticky stuff on a lot of the pages.

[Anti.Hero]

Is that why she, her husband, and all her aides are refusing to testify in the Troopergate hearings? Oh and is that also why she refused to give thousands of state e-mails upon request? She might be a book, but it's got some sticky stuff on a lot of the pages.

Maybe she is tired of the shithead media making jokes about incest between her husband and daughters and has gotten to the point where everyone can go fuck themselves.

[Shastafarian]

Maybe she is tired of the shithead media making jokes about incest between her husband and daughters and has gotten to the point where everyone can go fuck themselves.

Sounds like she's ready for the pressure of the highest office.

[Anti.Hero]

Sounds like she's ready for the pressure of the highest office.

Meanwhile, Obama gets his hiney patted all the way to the oval office.

[Shastafarian]

Meanwhile, Obama gets his hiney patted all the way to the oval office.

Whatever you say chief.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Is that why she, her husband, and all her aides are refusing to testify in the Troopergate hearings? Oh and is that also why she refused to give thousands of state e-mails upon request? She might be a book, but it's got some sticky stuff on a lot of the pages.

It probably has more to do with the fact that the Democratic chair of the inquiry has already promised 'an October surprise', i.e., going to find her guilty.

[Shastafarian]

It probably has more to do with the fact that the Democratic chair of the inquiry has already promised 'an October surprise', i.e., going to find her guilty.

Maybe. Maybe he has no real say in the process of the investigation. Maybe this probe was voted on UNANIMOUSLY by republicans and democrats. Maybe the subpoenas that were handed out (Todd Palin included) were voted on 3-2. But wait...aren't there only 2 democrats that could've voted for such subpoenas to be issued? You're right! There are only 2. That third vote was from a Republican...FROM WASILLA.

[Wild Cobra]

I'll make a guess here...



Is that why she, her husband, and all her aides are refusing to testify in the Troopergate hearings?

I would say because they already found the truth. The investigation should be over. It's a waste of time, and gives them room to trip her up on a technicality like they did with Libby.



Oh and is that also why she refused to give thousands of state e-mails upon request? She might be a book, but it's got some sticky stuff on a lot of the pages

They are not important. Again, the truth is known. The perverts just want to ruffle through her panties.

[Shastafarian]

I'll make a guess here...


I would say because they already found the truth. The investigation should be over. It's a waste of time, and gives them room to trip her up on a technicality like they did with Libby.

If they found the truth, why does she continue to change her story on why she fired Monegan?



They are not important. Again, the truth is known. The perverts just want to ruffle through her panties.
Looks like I was wrong...it was hundreds of e-mails, not thousands. And here's why they're important:


But more intriguing than any email correspondence contained in the four boxes was what was not released: about 1100 emails. Palin's office provided McLeod with a 78-page list (PDF) cataloging the emails it was withholding. Many of them had been written by Palin or sent to her. Palin's office claimed most of the undisclosed emails were exempt from release because they were covered by the "executive" or "deliberative process" privileges that protect communications between Palin and her aides about policy matters. But the subject lines of some of the withheld emails suggest they were not related to policy matters. Several refer to one of Palin's political foes, others to a well-known Alaskan journalist. Moreover, some of the withhold emails were CC'ed to Todd Palin, the governor's husband. Todd Palin—a.k.a. the First Dude—holds no official state position (though he has been a close and influential adviser for Governor Palin). The fact that Palin and her aides shared these emails with a citizen outside the government undercuts the claim that they must be protected under executive privilege. McLeod asks, "What is Sarah Palin hiding?

[/liberal jibberish]